Did JJK's Female Cast Push the Envelope?

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

A guy's reaction to chapter 242: "Kenny became a woman so he is gonna die next chapter" chapter 243: Kenjaku dies

[@taurusstudios5497]

I'm still mad at how dirty he did Yuki. So much of her character went unexplored for no reason other than to kill her off for maximum shock value.

[@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778]

Tbf isn't that more of an issue with Gege Killing off most of his characters prematurely than an issue with him writing women?

[@slp1857]

A star plasma vessel candidate who actually rejected her fate and wanted to make a difference in Jujutsu society all by her own power was such an interesting concept to explore...oh well

[@MineShackle]

@@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778 As he said in the video, it’s character issue that is more pronounced with women since there’s less of them and less of them that actually do anything

[@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778]

@@MineShackle well yes and no. That may mean Gege also struggles at writing women. But we've seen countless times within jjk, that regardless of man or woman, Gege will simply kill them off for the sake of killing them off That's the reason Nobara and Yuki died, I don't think it had anything to do with "yea they women, gotta kill em" More so "yea they are Breathing living Characters with potential, gotta put them on my massive kill list"

[@MineShackle]

@@theeggthatsurvivedhowtobas778 you literally just agreed with what i said lol

[@ThundertheDevil]

Honestly, I agree. Personally, this situation has a larger problem with talks about media. People are willing to instantly praise something for not doing a trope or cliche regardless on how it's executed and throw other things under the bus if they have those tropes regardless how well it's done

[@animejuicewithjasmine]

Thank you. I love JJK but I'm glad more and more people are criticizing it. You tell a good story by telling a good story, not just by being different.

[@GogetaEiyuuYamcha]

You hit the nail on the head, people have such low standards these days.

[@NightmareJessie]

pun intended?

[@shawerful5209]

Nobara is a fun character because gege knows how to write fun characters. But she is just not more than that, and its sad

[@twicejaeger6997]

When you realize Kenjaku was the most plot relevant female character 💀

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

She is more relevant than anyone on the series in terms of setting the plot.

[@twicejaeger6997]

Real queen shit 💯

[@shadowboi8620]

What about Riko? Her death caused a ton of stuff. But then again, the fridging argument could be made.

[@demifolk8940]

@@shadowboi8620no she had a fullish character arc and her death legit server a purpose. not just for the plot but also geto and gojo. i guess you can still argue she was fridged but i feel like she served a purpose and had a character. she just happened to be a girl who was stuck in this situation

[@marshyboy4637]

​@@shadowboi8620She did cause alot but that was more toji screwing everything up. And kenjaku still does more as they've been around since the heian era, is yuji's mother, implied to have put the first finger in the school, made death womb paintings, caused mass terrorism, caused start of shibuya incident and so much more

[@Jay-ll2qe]

I’ve never seen a character get treated as badly as Nobara in anything I’ve ever read or watched

[@shadowboi8620]

Sakura: Hello there.

[@jebalitabb8228]

She’s not important who cares about her, the real crime is where tf has maki been for like 15 chapters now

[@Jay-ll2qe]

@@shadowboi8620 I understand that Sakura’s horrible but imagine being a main character and you get treated like shit in the most important arc in the entire series. First, unlike your pals Yuji and Megumi, you showcase no new skills/moves/abilities and lose to Haruta in such an humiliating way just so your author can glaze Nanami up, then when you finally get your moment to shine against Mahito’s clone, you get turned into a plot device, given this backstory that I’d argue could be in an entirely different series because it literally has nothing to do with the plot and then you “die” for Yuji’s character development. Post-Shibuya arc, the author refuses to tell the audience whether you’re alive or dead for almost 4 years and then to make matters worse, no one except for Yuji ever mentions you ever again as if you never existed in the first place. Maki never talks about you, Panda (wtf does he do?) never talks about you, Gojo never talks about you in that shitty timeskip, Shoko never talks about you despite being one of her fucking patients and one of her best friend’s students, Megumi only talks about you when Yuji brings you up and Yuji only talks about you twice post-Shibuya with those chapters being 144 (once in the perfect preparation arc) and 210 (once in the Culling Games arc).

[@Jay-ll2qe]

⁠@@jebalitabb8228 Well I guess you got your answer about Toys-R-Us Toji (writing-wise) now. Also, Nobara’s a main character, so how is she not important?

[@RyomenAyeni225]

@@Jay-ll2qe bro Megumi was treated worse in every way possible and it's not close the literal only "new skill" he showcased was a kamikaze attack he's not even ever pulled a black flash despite being from the main trio and Nobara damaged Mahito so bad she affected him for the entirety of the fight afterwards, Megumi got beaten to a pulp by Toji then oneshotted by Mahagora, recently he literally got his body snatched infact Nobara has been treated BETTER than most of the cast male/female so idk whats your point here (plus EVERYONE WHO DIES BARELY GETS MENTIONED, you think liking Nobara was bad think about the Nanami fans, he barely gets anything other then a scene of Gojo in heaven)

[@Gensolink]

todo's treatment still pains me to this day. I dont mind retiring characters, but dude got NOTHING after the mahito, bro must have turned into oxygen cause i aint seeing him

[@marshyboy4637]

You what makes me so mad about that. There is no reason for todo and Inumaki to not be healed. They be be healed by shoko, yuta, yuji, hakari, Gojo but nooo. And they have no excuse because if they can't output that much cursed energy for rct, they have urahime to boost their cursed energy. And they certainly have time as there is a month timeskip after gojo is unsealed. And how tf did hakari get his arm back?! Cos if someone healed him, why didn't they heal anyone else?! I mean, yuta is even shown hanging out with maki

[@Hoggy.alight]

@@marshyboy4637todo can’t be healed as his soul was altered

[@marshyboy4637]

@@Hoggy.alight What about the one hand that he himself cut off. He cut it off before it could be altered

[@Vandexeneffects]

⁠@@marshyboy4637no that’s the thing, mahito altered todos soul it’s just that todo cut the source of the transfiguration (being his hand) before being totally transfigured

[@marshyboy4637]

@@Vandexeneffects But he cut it before it transfigured

[@Sappysappster]

It was so funny to me how people called JJK's female cast revolutionary for the shonen genre when Nobara had her moment in season1 (a cool moment I'd say! But not revolutionary) People saw female characters that weren't useless 99% of the time or simping over the male leads and lost their damn minds; despite the fact that the treatment of the female cast of JJK is at times WORSE than shonen that have came before it (Claymore still clears+Flame of Reeca's Fuuko clears any JJK female character out the water) The bar is in hell. I'm a JJK fanboy and even I know this shit wasn't "game changing" Gege literally said he murked Nobara to break Yuji (and the audience's heart) *textbook definition of fridging* JJK didn't push the envelope on shonen women. it just gave it a new look edit: WE BOTH SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT TEXTBOOK CASE OF FRIDGING! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@jeffali5157]

CSM also had a better female cast like Power, Makima, Himeno, and more

[@Sappysappster]

@@jeffali5157 yeah this is also true atleast with CSM I actually gave a fuck about them

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

That said: read Gintama. This is the absolute peak of "generic shonen" female cast. It only loses to series dominated by female characters like Claymore.

[@Sappysappster]

@@MarianaBello-fq3hx I've heard alot of things about Gintama tbh I'll probably read it when Summer rolls around

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

@@Sappysappster Good to see that i'm doing my part for the Gintama agenda.

[@tophfan]

honestly nobara getting all those praises should prove how low the bar actually was if anything

[@Neropol14]

I mean, she was a well-written character. But Gege never developed her...

[@jeffali5157]

The praises were deserved, but sadly it didn’t last for long.

[@MineShackle]

@@Neropol14so basically she’s a well written character that wasn’t written well?

[@Neropol14]

@@MineShackle She is a well-written character to start your story. She stands up for herself, is active, is consistent with her hobbies (like shopping), has her own beliefs, a unique ability set, and a special personality. Sadly her motivation doesn't really bind her to the story. But Gege didn't develop her. What I mean is that her character doesn't change like Yuji did. We never saw her growth, and Gojo also never trained Nobara to develop her abilities further. She was, in fact, so underdeveloped that Gege had to use a cheap trick and show us her backstory when we knew she was dead. Her death as a major character only affected Yuji and nothing else. Take Jiraya from Naruto, for example. His death affected Naruto, Tsunade, and the village. He left a power vacuum, which allowed the Akatsuki to act more freely and attack the village. Hopefully, that makes it more clear.

[@Ilikeanime972]

She’s still a great character just died to early

[@spinoirrex2433]

Always remember Treat your female characters like actual people and not "girl character", a good female character doesn't just have cool fights but is treated just as well as literary any other character around them

[@master.baiter2050]

Actual people!? 😱

[@shawerful5209]

The problem is that most writers dont want to write girls like they write boys, for different reasons of course. So they just use tropes, like most well writen female characters, are love interests for male ones

[@faemaiden8577]

@@shawerful5209 Most male writers.

[@madmouse4400]

JJK made me realize that I don't really care that much that a character can fight or not , is physically strong or not , what I care is that the character has a good personality, a good chemistry with others (and maybe compelling goals and backstory). And female characters (and characters in general) in jjk fail at that.

[@jeffali5157]

The character in general definitely didn’t fail in that at first so let’s not go THAT far, but later on when more and more people died, it just kept on getting worse

[@udonnauchegbu2018]

Seems like Maki is the only one who has actually been making waves in the plot compared to the other JJK girls, but only because she's just female Toji.

[@ramenbomberdeluxe4958]

But why can’t they also be physically strong too? You guys can’t ignore the value in breaking that stereotype as well.

[@madmouse4400]

@@udonnauchegbu2018 Maki kind of fell off for me . Before Shibuya , she was a girl with a goal , cared for her sister (though this detail only came up during the good will event and during the Zenin massacre); but after the Zenin massacre she just became better at fighting , changed entirely her personality (she barely is a character for me ever since) . JJk character problem (,,, according to me) doesn't stamp from the fact that characters can't fight , it stamps from the fact that characters existance exclusively gravitate around fights : Sukuna , Kirara , Hakari , Inumaki , Etc. What can you tell me about them beside their ability, technic or love for fight? Any character dynamic? Character interaction? Any backstory? Any goal? Any rivalry? Any emotion?

[@Jacksontosh]

​@@madmouse4400I thought gege was gonna focus more on her because she became just like his 2nd husband toji, but I guess it's not the same if it's a girl

[@CorinXV]

To be fair all you need to be considered a good male character is a sad/inspirational back story and a raw fight. Rock Lee been carried by that gara fight for almost two decades now

[@akhandtripathipyz9888]

And rock lee is still awesome

[@shawerful5209]

Females in media need to be usefull all the time, because if dont they are: "the love interest, bums, wasted, etc". Male characters only needs to exist

[@PavillionKing]

As much as I love JJK, it hadn't really "pushed" any envelope. Female characters being developed? See this vid. Inner Demon actually being unable to be befriended? Oozaru. Villains being pure evil? Literally all of mainstreem shounen.

[@jadziawynter9241]

I believe that the female cast was being hyped up so hard because in the beginning, they had interesting setups for great character arcs and depth, but they got pushed to the sideline due to JJK being a more plot-driven story. I find that very disappointing because I thought that the female students and some of the Kyoto students, like Kamo, would have stories and character arcs that lead to them going against the Jujustu society and Higher-Ups, both physically and ideology, as there is some social commentary.

[@happycompy]

Good points. Now that you mention it, I think I would enjoy JJK more if it was a more character-driven story instead of a plot-driven one. I enjoyed the Hidden Inventory flashback arc a lot because it was slower and had character development. I wish JJK had more of that.

[@zlPaRaDoXx]

Great video! While Nobara being popular and highly praised because shes not a stereotypical love stricken female character. She was being overrated because she wasnt being a stereotype. Main stream articles clearly dont read enough manga cause there are series that have good female character.

[@gaelheartt]

Good video. I personally never understood why women in jjk were praised to be this new higher standard. I think they and really just kugisaki did some more then your average shounen female character and to most people that was gods work lol.

[@redninja3056]

Black clover women are underrated

[@preetham9641]

​@@redninja3056they are kinda overrated tbf.. Just because they r strong doesn't mean they r better... Lot of them claim that black clover has best female cast in shounen.. Absolute bullshit.. Chainsawman, gintama Or sakamoto days deserve that title.... Honestly would've said one piece too but fanservice can b annoying a lot of times even though I generally choose to ignore it... Unpopular opinion: Nami is a better written character than Noelle and definitely miles better than nobara..

[@redninja3056]

@preetham9641 na I heavily disagree to me black clover does the best job at treating their female cast just as well as the male ones and yeah powerscaling is part of that reason, I don't think Nami is as good as Noel because she doesn't share the same spotlight that luffy or zoro or sanji, but Noel? Not only has she saved astas life multiple times, she has great fights just as good as most male protagonist, way better character growth, and a much more interesting back story, then Nami imo and that's not mentioning mereoleona, who has some of the most badass moments in anime that Nami could never touch or any woman in one piece really, hell they even made a villain pretty cool unlike chainsaw man where the main villain uses her body to get what she wants, vanica is just powerful which in my opinion is much cooler, so in my opinion black clover creates their woman more like characters then any other Shonen anime

[@gaelheartt]

@@redninja3056 just read this and all ima say is makima doesn’t just use her body and gets what she wants she did that specifically for denji because that shit would work. She manipulates people with different things or sometimes just threats like with power

[@redninja3056]

@@gaelheartt even then makima is super powerful why use her body at all with anyone obviously she doesn't just use her body but she shouldn't at any point

[@antra5074]

Bro I've never forgiving Gege for how dirty he did Nobara and then dragging his feet on whether not she's dead. I feel like I was lied to. Your point about how male characters like Kaminari get headcanoned to hell and back whereas female characters are not extended any grace is very reminiscent of that Tumblr post about how fandom approaches male characters from a Watsonian perspective and female characters from a Doylist perspective. How underdeveloped male characters are assumed to have rich inner lives while female characters are taken at extreme face value.

[@LittleSparklingStars]

I feel like dude is rushing the plot along to finish the story. There was so much potential to be had here...

[@jonathanbustillos514]

This is why Black Clover keeps having the best female characters of all Shonen anime, you can use Noelle as an example, who has a huge crush on Asta but also has a lot of character development even outside of her relationship with the protagonist (her family and the Heart Kingdom), showing that you can have femininity while also being a motivational figure and a freaking powerhouse.

[@redninja3056]

Dude thank you finally someone mentioned it black clover has some of the best females in anime

[@haileys5224]

I really love black clover. And I totally agree. The women are given equal treatment and character development to their male counterparts. And there are so many great women integral to the plot. there’s mereoleona who’s an actual force of nature. The witches are on a whole different level of power. Grey is an awesome character. Charmy is a literal beast. Sister Lilly is a great character who’s capable of defending herself but also embodies a nurturing and traditionally feminine personality. Nero is Mikasa done right. A character with deep love and a stoic demeanor who is shown to have significant free will and existence outside of their relationship to the protagonist. I could go on and on because there is no shortage of examples.

[@redninja3056]

@@haileys5224 exactly and the best part they never mention anything about them being women they're just characters

[@verdurite]

Equating a crush to femininity is... a choice

[@jonathanbustillos514]

@@verdurite ? Have you seen Noelle's Valkyrie dress? or Black Clover at all?

[@slp1857]

While it certainly has great moments for its female characters (particularly Maki), it's kinda weird to see so many people laud the series as a trailblazer for women in Shonen when other series have consistent emphasis on their female cast like Chainsaw Man or even great main female characters like Akane-Banashi while JJK gets all the attention

[@BOGOworms4sale]

Saying chainsaw man treats female characters well is the worst take I’ve ever heard

[@slp1857]

@@BOGOworms4sale how so?

[@bigmactominay9795]

@@slp1857 Asa got killed for being a goody too shoes for one😂

[@slp1857]

@@bigmactominay9795 ? Asa is alive

[@junkyyard2273]

​​@@slp1857 the fucker only reads chainsaw man from tweets and tiktok dont talk to them

[@nehemiahsalters1350]

Im glad someone brought up shoko. Shes forgotten by the main fanbase and rightfully so with how shes treated. But shes the poster child of gege shelving his side cast

[@dejonaiburton5284]

Shoko is one of my favourite characters

[@juniorjunior5884]

You're right. Hell, the main reason people like Nobara is same for what she says "I like being pretty and strong." Such a simple desire to be powerful and seen. Everyone wants that in some way. Every character in most shonen has something on that line. Hearing her say that made her stand out because she wasn't trying to be something, just more of what she already was. Maki is either loved for her drama with the clan or her transformation into scarred waifu. Neither of them are groundbreaking characters, but they're the bare minimum. I will say the fridge thing is a bit less likely since multiple characters have died before Nobara and even Megumi could be considered fridged since he's effectively dead right now. Jjk seems to both reward and punish characters based on who they are. Being a scumbag keeps you going longer but caring kills you.

[@jobbersupreme8720]

Mahito was a scumbag and he got by far the most humiliating fate in the series

[@juniorjunior5884]

​@@jobbersupreme8720 True, but he lasted longer than most because of what a scumbag he was. When he was cornered, he'd run. He'd cheat or flee. He just finally pushed his luck while Yuji and Todo pulled the best combo to put him down.

[@Jacksontosh]

​@@jobbersupreme8720I disagree, it might have been humiliating, but it set in motion an event that might achieve his end goal. His death had meaning. All the villains get either closure or meaningful deaths. Protagonists on the other hand are just killed unceremoniously. The plot rapidly became a series of diabolis ex machinas and it killed my investment. Why should I care about the characters when big daddy sukuna or kenny will just be gifted the win by gege himself descending from on high. I don't get invested in the characters even if they start having interesting arcs because Gege will at anytime kill them with a diabolis ex machina for shock value.

[@kaylemathewcomendador6964]

So basically JJK has a problem with its plot quick pacing & the treatment of its female cast is one of the side effects. I’ve always found the hate towards filler a bit excessive at times. Yeah, it can get annoying if overdone, but it can be a good excuse to have more moments with the cast & maybe give them some more excuses for action scenes with them. How am I supposed to care about the plot if I don’t care enough about the characters due to their lack of screen time?! It’s like Gege overreacted to the hate for filler & overdid it. I’ve heard MHA kinda suffered from that, with the author wanting to have the main cast grow into adults but the editors wanted him to pick up the pace with the plot. It’s weird how MHA fans are acting like Uraraka having feelings for Deku automatically ruins her. You can have a strong well rounded character while letting them be love interests too, you know. And what is with Shoko? She was apparently a trio with Ghetto & the fan girl magnet back then, but we barely see how she feels about the predicaments with them lately.

[@dragonicdoom3772]

The Papers Please theme in the background hit me with so much nostalgia for some reason

[@AsarathaHSYT]

Incredible game

[@SSJ_EWGF]

I'm not going to sugarcoat it, Uraraka is a better and even more importantly, well utilized main female character than Nobara. As a big fan of her character and how she's able to so easily bounce off the personalities and beliefs of her friends and other characters, the only reason Nobara gets gassed up in comparison to more controversial shounen female leads to such a disportionate degree is particularly because she doesn't have any romantic attraction to a male character, and I'm glad you're calling that out. Unlike a comatosed one eye shut in, at least Uraraka manages to finish her arc that not only follows through plot lines that were set up beforehand, but is also actually relevant, if not intrinsically crucial to the overall narrative the main plot is focusing on. Now is MHAs 'main plot' good as of now? Ehhhhhhhhhhh not really, but at least Uraraka's story fits within the general narrative of empathy and emotional suppression Horikoshi is hammering down in the final act.

[@jeffali5157]

Uraraka does have a lot Of problems as well, but I’ll say this, as much as I like Nobara tbh and both have their pros and cons, I can’t deny at least Uraraka did like you said, finish her character arc even though that finish is very….. off. But still it was something compared to barley doing anything in season 2 and then dying in a stupid way. Back then I liked Nobara a lot more and had so much potential but man it’s crazy how that got switched in season 2.

[@verdurite]

The reason people liked Nobara wasn't just because she wasn't attracted to the main character (though why is people liking that a bad thing?) It was because she had a lot of depth many female shonen characters aren't afforded. Her speech to Momo about loving being strong AND pretty resonated with a lot of people. She also had a fun sassy personality, was badass, and bounced off of the other characters (yuji, maki, megumi) really well. Framing her popularity as being shallow is just disingenuous. Mind you, people like Uraraka for similar reasons. The biggest criticism against Uraraka is that she doesn't get to be a character for half of the series because Horikoshi doesn't write crushes super well. I personally wish Deku and Uraraka's friendship was given more screentime

[@jeffali5157]

@@verduritedefinitely agreed. I didn’t mind that she had a crush on deku, hell despite my complete disdain for MHA, I still ship the 2, but it’s execution really left a lot to be desired. If they got together early and they both helped each other grow as life partners and as individuals, it would’ve been so much better. But now it’s been to the point where her character felt hollow for a while until Toga came into the picture and how that ended is already a whole can of worms.

[@SSJ_EWGF]

​@@verdurite Yeah I agree, those are traits that are great about her as well, I just was too lazy to further type all of that. As a whole, her characterization is great and the stuff we get with her dynamics with the cast is legitimately great. It just sucks that that was all we got. The issue of the matter here is that she's just straight up not in the story anymore. She has nothing to add and even if she returns now there isn't that much of a way that she can realistically impact the plot in a meaningful way, and that's not even taking into account if Gege can even write a way for her to return that won't sound immediately stupid and unbelievable

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

Gege pretty much seems to hate his initial trio of characters. Megumi is the supossed deutragonist of the story and his power progression is hilariously slow and he gets bodyjacked to not be seen again. I feel like Gege didn't even want to write that trio in the first place.

[@biscuit_fairy]

I love jjk but Gege sensei's delivery when it comes to female characters is so subper it's disappointing. Can we please stop being so overhyped for characters when the series had like 2 seasons out, cos I remember everyone labeling Gege as a feminist on twitter as if he's doing some grand service towards women empowerment only for it to age so badly in the manga. Also I have to mention the fact that part of the jjk fanbase bashed on female chars from other shounen series, such as Sakura Orihime or Tsunade but at least these characters have so much depth despite having been created 20 something years ago. You think we'd have better in 2024 but the bar is still so low.

[@KingLAO2964]

This will be a fun watch, even tho I never touched JJK Edit: You cooked. ECHIDNA MENTIONED GRAHHHHHHHHHHH

[@unnoticed9988]

Worst part is they were so close to all pushing the envelope but one by one they all were written out, only Maki is great but even now she’s more of a Toji 2.0 rather her own character

[@probobility2635]

How exactly is she Toji 2.0? Just curious because the video didn't really give specific reasons.

[@master.baiter2050]

​@@probobility2635she got them thing and gone

[@caper7635]

Based based based! This vid turned out really well. It is a really striking point that sexuality and fighting are totally allowed to be explored, neither a matter of “how much we depict this” being the issue. But rather that because of the pretty underwhelming roster of female characters in media over the years - we tend to frontload a lot of chips onto crafting the catch-all female character, when really we should just be making good characters. This of course isn’t to say that you can’t write female characters with their femininity as the focus, but at least with shounen I’m fine not expecting anything incredibly evocative. JJK’s cast far from delivered, but maybe the next series gassed will raise people’s standards.

[@dragonicdoom3772]

I think part of the problem is the obsession with the phrase "strong female character". As I interpret it, this phrase is meant to describe a female character with a "strong" identity and story. Strong in this context doesn't mean she punches hard, it means she's interesting with deep and compelling motivations and undergoes a captivating story arc. Basically, it means "a well written character who happens to be female", which when put like that makes it so fucking depressing that THAT is meant to be a crowning achievement of a writer when it should be the bare minimum. Where I think a lot of media, shonen manga in particular, goes wrong is they focus on and misinterpret the "strong" part and think that's all they have to do to fix the issue. That a female character instantly goes from dog shit to peak if she's fighting alongside the boys. Maki and Nobara both fit this mould; they have very little in the way of interesting character moments but are portrayed as powerful, skilled and competent fighters. Nobara does have a bit more going for her with her chair philosophy but then she got slapped outta the story by Mahito. For an example of how to write compelling female characters, Arcane is probably the best in recent years. Every female character is deep, rich, compelling and oozing with personality. Even Mel Medarda who doesn't need to fight to be strong, her strength takes the form of intelligence, manipulation and political strategy. Vi's physical strength isn't her sole character trait, Caitlyn isn't defined by her rebellious desire to become a cop instead of a high society noblewoman, Jinx is such a complex character that trying to summarise what makes her so good in a youtube comment would do a disservice to Arcane's writers. To get to the point, JJK doesn't have peak female characters, it has female characters that are slightly above the abysmal quality we have come to expect from shonen manga. They only seem "peak" because their audience has terribly low standards and just doesn't realise it.

[@redninja3056]

I agree but in the Shonen space I think black clover has some of the best female characters

[@99range92def]

When i think of a strong female character in shounen i think of komugi from hxh, she may be blind and unable to do many things but she has a huge impact on the story.

[@preetham9641]

Honestly people discredit shounen too much when it comes to female characters.... Shounen always had pretty decent female characters... Be like yu yu hakushou, hunter x hunter, one piece, bleach, gintama, magi,attack on Titan, sakomoto days, dandadan, csm, frieren,fairy tail fullmetal alchemist, dr stone and so on.. It's just people's definition of "well written" female character is always decided through Powerscaling.. I know that shounen females sometimes r sexualized a bit too much and can get over the top a lot of time but fanservice should never be associated with character writing... Credit should b given where it's due, whether that show has fanservice Or not.. It shouldn't matter

[@TheAzozoi]

Toji is the gender swapped version of maki, not the opposite. Maki was introduced and had her motivations, characteristics and goals laid out first. She was the first Heavenly restricted Zenin outcast and Toji has always a parallel to her. I also completely disagree that Yuki died "trying to save a male character". She died trying to kill the main antagonist, she refuses to jump into the fight despite Choso being in fatal danger because it wasn't optimal and only jumps in because what she was waiting for happened regardless of Choso's fate. She cares for him but she doesn't prioritize him over Kenjaku's defeat.

[@akhandtripathipyz9888]

Toji did more goated stuff He nearly killed Gojo,beat the sht out geto,Dagon,Ino,Megumi I think they are about equal in writting

[@aaron1743]

12:13 excuse to draw geges favourite sexy man is so on point 😭😭😭

[@YozakuraSensei]

If anything, it set the conversation back

[@SSJ_EWGF]

Yeah I definitely agree with the consensus of the video being that it's not _necessarily_ Gege having some sort of agenda against female characters but rather he has a very, _very_ bad track record with actually utilizing his side cast as efficiently as possible. Regardless of their status, gender and even Sorcery grade power level, they are just forgotten to the wayside by either kicking the bucket or just never showing up after one or two fights in favor of the main characters and villains. The amount of misopportunity to actually further develop his sight cast is just completely missing since the manga's always going to the next big thing. Hell, I'll go as far as to say even the main cast suffers from parts of this too, although I haven't caught up to the manga in a long time. Whenever I see a moment where Yuji, or Megumi can just sit down and the story is able to further explore the emotions, feelings and overall trauma of these characters and humanize them, only for Gege to move on and just blatantly overlook that opportunity. It just kind of just gets to me, you know?

[@molluscumlore]

It's funny seeing the comparison to fujimoto especially here because fujimoto also loves to fridge and sideline his side characters. He just loves powerful women with a fervor unseen in any other shonen jump author so the majority of relevant characters are women. Hell, it's not even close comparing plot relevance between the male and female characters in chainsaw man, it only seems 50/50 because fujoshi will find men to latch onto no matter what and fight fans don't care much about any characters. But when you look at the text, it's pretty clear who gets spotlighted the most. It's especially funny seeing the people comparing the csm and jjk female casts like it's even close when they put fucking asa, relatable loser extraordinaire, on the list. Like gege doesn't seem to hate women in particular, but he certainly doesn't particularly love them either. It's also funny he calls the lesbian pairing "male gaze" as if it's inherent to lesbian ships though. Because that's not really how male gaze works, maybe mha emphasizes some sort of 3some possibility but if it only really portrays their relationship to each other through each other it's not particularly male gazey. And I mostly mention that because funnily enough anyone who really wants to watch a show with complex female characters should really be following yuri fans closely, since yuri and adjacent shows are the ones that focus almost entirely on women. It's not all gonna be hits but it is certainly funny seeing people complain about no good female characters in anime while never having tried anything like revue starlight, symphogear (accidentally does some very interesting shit with hibiki), bocchi the rock, any magical girl shows (including dark ones that aren't shit), or otherwise pretty much anything with enough interesting female characters to ship in interesting ways.

[@LittleSparklingStars]

Yea he's rushing the story methinks. Just wants to get it over with.

[@karthiknarayanan3705]

JJK pushing the envelope for female characters and revolutionising female characters is the biggest LIE ever told. Except maki every female character is useless. Heck even she is reduced to being just a female toji.

[@Natalie_Toshino]

I can understand not liking Mirko, and I can definitely agree with a few of your points, but discounting that as a "raw fight" I think does a disservice to her. She fought like a rabid animal that just refused to die, ripping her hair off when she was caught by it, and I'm pretty sure I remember her straight-up biting when her limbs were made useless, and then after straight-up LOSING some of them, which would have absolutely been the retirement point for any rational person, she gets prosthetic limbs, and is just like "Yeah, I'm still gonna be a hero, whatevs.", and continues to put herself in those almost assured death fights. She fought harder than anyone in the series, and that includes Deku. He's messed himself up, but he's always healed. She went beyond that by fighting after losing limbs, but if Deku loses his arms and still goes on to fight(which is tricky to even wonder about, with very current events, but I don't want to spoil anything), then I'd argue that he'd be on the same level as her, but until then, she is THE MOST savage fighter in the show, unless I'm forgetting about someone. That being said, your comment of there being not much else to her is fairly true, but DAYUM was her fighting just basically like that of a wild animal.

[@theboibubba]

Nobara... what an individual she is. Great video Asa. The masses will see the truth, eventually.

[@mahkicarter]

OCHAKO MENTIONED LETS GOOOOO

[@jeffali5157]

He always finds a way to try to mention her.

[@lpstweetytv5242]

Yeah, the female cast is pretty bad. They're very non cutesy so, people thought they were better, but nah

[@R3in_Ch]

bro we need more people like you to analyze these kind of stuff. as people these days only wanted to see good fighting anime and easily rated 9/10 on MAL lmao

[@moolcazy3805]

It's less like a problem with the writing of female characters but a problem with the writing of all of its characters in general but since there are generally less female characters than male characters it seems more prominent with the female cast

[@Dan-J0]

« She spit surface level feminism rethoric » you are SO right about that, people praise this episode? Please she didn’t say anything new nor unique

[@BOGOworms4sale]

So I think I know why JJK gets praise for its female characters and why it’s misplaced. It’s not that the female characters are inherently groundbreaking, it’s how the author treats the female characters. They never use them for outright sex appeal or portrays them in a demeaning exploitative way. Is Nami from one piece a better character than Nobara? Yes. Does her design change from pre to post time skip make me gag. Also yes and that’s where gege breaks the mold. They aren’t at all exploitative in their design of female characters.

[@hannahw7023]

Frl. The bar is so low for shounen anime that a series gets praised for something as simple as "Didn't make hypersexual designs." But if I had to choose between poorly-executed female characters vs amazing female characters with male-gazey designs (One Piece), I'd rather have the latter

[@BOGOworms4sale]

@@hannahw7023 that’s totally fair and I don’t blame you. I’m on the other side where it’s such a breath of fresh air design wise to be like hey I really like this female character’s design and not have to recoil in shame. That being said, I think Jojo does a good job of balancing both which is why jolyne is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. She still has a provocative and at times risqué design, but she’s also treated respectfully in the story and isn’t HYPER sexualized.

[@CineflickProductions]

Never got into JJK but really well done video. 🔥

[@FutureRevolut10nary]

Nobara: Throughout the old and new generation, I alone am the wasted one.

[@Jaymizuband]

Tis will be a holy night when the populous stops acting like “fight sexy” is revolutionizing the shonen game(miruko). On my soul, nobody in their life has seen a think piece/thread of someone analyzing Miruko’s character. The bar has to be raised. Its ok tho, Takeru Hokazono will fix that with Kagurabachi

[@ProdigheePC]

The less Meimei is mentioned the better

[@mahogania5536]

on the contrary, I think if someone had the potential to become a relevant female character was her, because do you remember the traitor subplot? yeah, that could've been her, and the manipulation of her brother would also come into play. and if I get really fanfic-y, the fact that she's in a position of power not only thanks to jujutsu but also money would mean she has the means to persuade the very useful mechamaru (with his wish to have an abled body) to become a traitor as well. I think there's a problem with the descentralized villain squad but with some touches it could be fixed

[@zangetshu-j7n]

Off the top of my head, the bleach manga probably has the best female cast in Shonen. I'm probably biased, but honestly, I can't think of any other series that can match bleach in the quality of its female cast

[@preetham9641]

Lemme name some animes who has better female cast(in terms of writing so dont bring out character design) One piece- reason y I gave warning in the bracket Gintama- kagura is the best shounen female lead Fate series- rin faces, sakura faces, seibah faces Hunter x hunter- pretty underrated female characters but have really amazing writing and powers Yu yu hakushou Dandadan- momo ayase is one of the best female leads in shounen Sakamoto days Frieren Fma Attack on Titan Bleach has amazing female cast don't get me wrong.. They r freaking badass and their fight scenes, designs are cool af... But above mentioned ones just have better written females with more plot relevance

[@titania396]

I agree with the video. I also known you are smart. I know you hate it when people misinterpret what you say. I know you put a disclaimer that fighting strength or power is important in a Shonen. I just have this deep fear that it will push people away from making powerful female characters which might be unwarranted but I grew up my whole life wanting female characters to be relevant and powerful and I have been disappointed more times than I can count to the point of crying and I am not saying you are to blame but what I am trying to say is that I want female characters that can fight well and also have relevant stories. All I am hoping for is that in the future you go a little bit easier on physically strong or powerful female characters and make it more clear that you want them to have more deep character wise and they don’t have to be made weaker as well as making people understand more female characters could stand to be more powerful combat wise. I understand if you feel that you already made that clear I just wish it was even more clear. I am sorry for trauma dumping. I am sorry if the comment is too long or you find it annoying. I genuinely wish the best for you because you are a cool dude and I hope you have a great day.

[@StarshineStranger]

"This series just doesn't really like its cast." THERE IT IS. THERE IT FREAKING ISSSSSSSSS. Not just the female characters, but most of the male characters, too, like it is COMPLETELY uninterested in exploring any of these people as PEOPLE aside from maybe Satoru Gojo. Which, don't get me wrong, Gojo is genuinely a very fascinating character, but he CANNOT carry this whole series on his shoulders forever just like he couldn't carry the jujutsu world on his shoulders forever. There are so many characters that could be genuinely interesting, fleshed out people, and they really made some great strides in that direction with the movie (best piece of JJK media I've seen thus far), but there was NO followup on that for characters like Inumaki or Panda. Inumaki has one of the most interesting gimmicks and powers along with a debilitating handicap that he has to work around, but none of that is EVER explored; he got 4 lines in S2 and has been, for all intents and purposes, permanently sidelined. *Yuta* has used Toge's own curse technique more than he has at this point! That's just sad. Nobara absolutely deserved better, too; she reminded me a little of Rachel from the Animorphs book series, which is a huge complement, because I cannot think of a SINGLE other character in media quite like Rachel. A preppy, beautiful, popular gymnast who loved shopping, clothes, fashion, *and* her eventual boyfriend... who was also the single most bloodthirsty member of the main cast, who loved the thrill of battle, who was always the first one into a fight and the last one out of it, who scared both her friends and *herself* with how vicious she could sometimes be, who was stalwartly strong, and loyal, and selfless, and loving, and unapologetically *feminine.* Nobara felt like she could have become that type of character for JJK, and I was all for that... and then the Shabuya arc happened. And now it really doesn't matter if she's dead or not, because it's not like she'll ever have a significant affect on the story again. :/ And that... it just feels bad, scoob. This all feels *bad.* And it SUCKS, because JJK really could have been something so special. But apart from the amazing action sequences, it just feels... hollow. You cannot speedrun a story and character development and expect people to care. Period.

[@biscuit_fairy]

Also I agree with you on the fact that fans can not accept female characters being human or weak or just in love as if it's something bad, while fans simultaneously being in love with fictional men who don't exist. I mean I'm a simp for Gojo so why can't female characters find a person to be romantically invested as well. Why is that part of her personality non existent. Shounen female chars really follow some extreme archetypes to the point it erases their humanity, sometimes I feel like male mangaka do not really understand women they're so far detached from reality it hurts.

[@NlsnBckr08]

Nobara was clearly waisted to me. She kinda got that Sakura treatment to be be honest. You know.. When a female character starts to shine and ACTUALLY doing something which raises your expectations and makes you think the character is going to be really THERE only to be thrown away 2 sec later ? I say "Sakura treatment" because I saw the 2 being compared a lot when season 1 came out and people praising Nobara and saying that she was what Sakura should’ve been while she actually was done even worse. Yuki was waisted to the point that this is just outrageous. She barely got any screentime, no backstory, literally nothing and just straight up dies before even starting to be really active in the story which is such a shame because she clearly could’ve been one of the biggest jjk female icons alongside Maki and Nobara. She literally became a sacrifice again like almost everyone else and never got the possibility to shine which is such a shame. I already see you guys coming talking about Maki so fine let’s talk about her Well.. Maki is Toji.. But female. I’m sorry but at that point that’s the only thing noticeable about her now. It pain me to say that but Maki feels no longer herself anymore. Maki doesn’t have defined goals that made her stand out from the rest she’s just.. Toji. Everytime she fights or that an opponent or ally analyze her they don’t acknowledge her as who she is but only see Toji. Maki’s ambitions and dreams as well as everything that makes her special is gone. Maki isn’t a character anymore, Maki is just a way for Toji to stay relevant in the story despite literally dying before it even started. I’m so glad that you highlighted the fact that this problem also impacts a lot of male characters too but that the problem is that it spared none of the female characters and harmed them more.

[@Rereader32]

Great video, Asa! This topic has been on my mind for a while, and as a female anime fan, I want to share my thought. As a woman who has been watching shonen jump anime for arguably too long, the most important question I ask myself when evaluating a female character is this: what has she done throughout the story? This doesn’t have to be explicitly tied to fighting, though since this is shonen so that’s par for the course, but more than anything I care about how much this character has contributed to the story. It doesn’t matter is a woman can hit hard or is “subverting expectations” if she’s barely in the story to begin with. And frankly most of peoples’ praises or issues with female characters can either be corroborated or argued against when this single question is answered. Ochaco is not a terrible or poorly written character because she has a crush on a boy. She had her potential wasted because Horikoshi decided to side line her in favor of the more popular male characters. Maki is not a great character because she hits hard. She had the potential to be a great character because of her struggles and her personality was fun, but instead is just there to punch things now. And finally, Nobara was NOT a great character because she had both feminine and masculine traits and yes, hit hard. She was a fun character that had an incredibly awesome power and interesting backstory that was cut short when Akutami made the decision to remove her from the story a third of the way in. And yet, there is a shonen jump series that has a host of female characters that have participated story, sometimes as soon as they’re introduced, but is only brought up to be mocked: Black Clover. Say what you want about the female characters; that Noelle is nothing but a tsundere love interest, that Vanessa and Mimosa remove all stakes because they’re too overpowered, that Charmy is just a gag character, at least they fucking do something. These characters, and a lot of the other female characters in Black Clover, have individually and collectively participated in more fights or story-related events than any female character in MHA and JJK. And no, this is not subjective; simply go through each series and count how many fights or story-related events the female characters have played roles in and you will see how relevant these characters really were. Not only that, but a lot of these characters are support or healing mages, which means that they are relevant to the fights without directly damaging their opponents, showing that female characters can be strong without have to be physical or magical attackers. And yet whenever the female characters are brought up, it’s to deride them for the aforementioned reasons; yet the male characters, especially the “manly” ones like Yami and Magna, are almost always praised despite holding just as much relevance and getting the same amount of screen time. In the end, so much of this reeks of sexism and hypocrisy. Male characters get away with looking effeminate, have a crush on others, or show other traditionally feminine traits, but if a female characters does the same, she’s a “stereotype” or a “badly written” character. Judge a female character for what she contributes to the story, not by her femininity or lack thereof.

[@toadsaage7711]

Fairy Tail legitimately has a very well done cast of female characters and some of the best moments in the series are from the female characters themselves, but it feels like a lot of people disregard them because they get fanserviced a lot in spite of how well written and developed they are, and because of Fairy Tail’s reputation in general

[@jeffali5157]

Some female characters in FT did well, others unfortunately didn’t get that well written if at all. But I will say that they had a great family dynamic at least

[@istalkghosts497]

I'm a massive FT hater but I have to admit that the females in FT are way better than the majority of shonen women. Paradoxically, I like erza, her dynamic with her mom, Irene, Wendy is good too. Heck even levi is a sweet hearted girl. I wish they didn't sexualize Lucy that bad. Mira deserved better.

[@titania396]

Yes but it still falls into a lot of the same tropes other stories do. Especially with Lucy and Erza’s ending could have been better. Wendy was done well.

[@tyresselittle747]

I will say Edens Zero, where hiro mashima shines in female characters, gets properly developed and delivered good fanservice with balanced.

[@istalkghosts497]

@tyresselittle747 I'm anti fanservice. That being said, Rebecca is way better handled than Lucy. She has plot relevance. Let's see how far hiro will make her relevant with the cat leap thing

[@awsomeman350]

I think it's so funny comparing these series to something like csm. in that the women are MORE important then most of the male cast

[@LittleSparklingStars]

the funny part is also that csm is a lot more horny than jjk yet somehow develops their fem cast waaaay more.

[@amarvax3442]

That's why I rock with Fairy Tail so much. Beautiful, compelling and strong. Wonderful.

[@SammyRobinson62232]

Great video. In my opinion when it comes to representing woman we shouldn’t demonize femininity since that isn’t the problem why woman been represented poorly. It’s because they didn’t have no character at all and was just used for the male gaze. Does that means I don’t want female characters that act masculine. No. Since not every woman act the same. My problem is when we demonize femininity since femininity isn’t the problem. It’s how the patriarchal society treats feminist as a problem when it is not. Sorry if this doesn’t make any scene. Great video and keep up the great work.

[@Byakkoya11037]

(4:05 to 4:50) This is something I never really considered, I admit kind of just rode the wave of "JJK does female characters exceptionally well" because the bar is so damn low that getting even this much (JJK EP 17) seemed like a step forward rather than a simple tying of the shoelaces. Kind of sad to think about honestly.

[@armorbearer9702]

Well said, it is hard to defend JJK as pushing the envelope. The female cast does not do much compared to the male characters. Out of curiosity, is there any reason you did not bring up Mei Mei during your discussion of what the female characters have don(10:44).

[@A.DEN0]

In the end Nobara was just tool for plot twist because gege run out of dumb plot twists in Sukuna fight

[@onesmart229]

The JJK cast did not push any envelope simple as that

[@WisdomeSage1989]

Thing is the conversion that Toga and Ocha had about romance and calling her cute is standard female behavior once you've been around actual women.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

They'll claim These women have internalized Mysogyny.

[@BOGOworms4sale]

Season one and the early parts of season 2 made me really like Nobara. Not as like a revolutionary groundbreaking character, but she’s was a comfort character that I really loved to see just like interact with the rest of the cast and her personality resonated with me a lot. I got spoiled that she dies and so I put off watching the rest of season 2 until yesterday and words can’t express how much I felt robbed of a character I adored. She put in no work and got no screen time until she Nanami needed a moment and then she died. I think the show has moments and themes that are incredibly well done, but I’m starting to see a massive gap form in the capabilities of the main cast and the side cast that is incredibly reminiscent of dragon ball and I’m extremely worried about how the series will proceed

[@_cancel142]

Where's my Ipod Nano.

[@Brot33]

I dont have much of quality to say, but here’s an algorythm comment, nice vid man

[@JakeMatthews-OnLo]

Yeah I feel like people only gassed her up because she didn’t have a crush on anyone, or wasn’t used for Romance. While characters like that have been around since Nami and Robin from one piece in recent years and way before that with YYH Botan. Meanwhile there’s Characters Like Rukia from Tite Kubo’s bleach who’s without the need to be a love interest or be used for the male gaze even if some see her as that.

[@tintor2]

Jujutsu went from progressive to downright misogynic

[@angelamengualcortinas3614]

I'm probably gonna get slandered for saying this, because people love to just view her in the most superficial and missguided way possible, but Mikasa from AOT as a female character is a lot better from purely a writing stand-point than Nobara or any of the JJK girls.

[@preetham9641]

Tbf that's not even hot take.. That's a fact....

[@preetham9641]

Here's the hot take: in terms of writing and relevance of female characters, fairy tail>>>>>>>>jjk

[@angelamengualcortinas3614]

@@preetham9641 it shouldn't be a hot take, and it probably isn't since many people love Mikasa too, but i feel like she gets a lot of undeserved hatred. Haven't watched fairy tale unfortunately, so i can't compare.

[@preetham9641]

​​@@angelamengualcortinas3614yeah it's definitely mikasa being love interest thing but still.. The hate towards her is stupid

[@terrigo3987]

11:18 wrong. Shoko is saving Gojo as we speak. GOJO LIVES. TRUST THE PLAN.

[@LittleSparklingStars]

the copium is real

[@wisdommanari6701]

God I love your content

[@djibreezy]

yeah i think the shonen genre tends to push male characters more cause that’s the bigger demographic. i don’t see why we can’t get a strong feminine female character who’s highly relevant. especially considering there’s more of a female audience now a days.

[@preetham9641]

Dude tell me a shojo which is not named fruits basket that has amazing male cast... In shows like sailor Moon, madoka magica, male characters are almost non existent forget them being good or bad

[@hannahw7023]

​@@preetham9641 yeah but they did point out that shounen is nowadays more popular among both genders, whereas shoujo is still almost entirely for girls

[@RespecttheScreenplay]

I felt no emotion when she died it felt flat and out of nowhere but oh well we shall see😊

[@paledrake]

It's funny how Bleach is still one of the best big shonen for female representation, despite it not doing much better. Rukia has some good showings from time to time, Orihime is a heal carry, Soi Fon actually wins her fights and a few female characters like Neliel and Yoruichi get good fights from time to time, though they always end up losing for one reason or another.

[@efrenyalung1348]

More of this!

[@reader7508]

Good video

[@roachantenna80085]

im subbing for this one 🤝

[@loyisobooi5040]

Friking final I can watch you talk about something I'm caught up to You've became one of those few channels I auto like the video before playing ❤ keep up the good stuff man You're the reason I'm going to read ReZero buy the way so good job

[@Troyless]

GIVE MY FREE IPOD I GUESSED CORRECTLY 🗣

[@doodlegame8704]

Vinland Saga is an example of how to write a well written and compelling female character.

[@MineShackle]

I agree with everything you said. Also where’s my iPhone?

[@AsarathaHSYT]

erm... actually... it was an ipod nano

[@jeffali5157]

I liked the female cast of JJK at first and now Maki is pretty much the only good one left. Nobara was decent and had so much potential and yet got screwed followed by the rest. There are a few things that I disagreed with but overall, you made a great argument man. Kudos.

[@9xprincess]

Its a bad sign when the supposedly main female character on the team has no connection to the main events of the plot and themes of the story. Its a sure sign that she's just there to fulfill the standard girl member of the team and won't be a real character.

[@akhandtripathipyz9888]

It's not sexist though Megumi also didn't do anything after the culling games GeGe does this kind of thing to all types of characters

[@_General_Grievous__]

*SPOILER* SHES BAAAAAACK

[@AsarathaHSYT]

and absolutely nothing about this video changes 🙏🏻

[@_General_Grievous__]

@@AsarathaHSYT Nah but still pretty cool

[@madhattressnightcore2754]

I think the problem with the praise is that media is doing it to make it more "attractive" to writers to include characters like that more. It's a shitty reason to just do it for the praise, but maybe that is what it takes to start. Like it was mentioned in the video, young people watch these anime and grow up with a certain sense of how things are in society and if there is a strong female character, even only written into the story for praise, the person watching might become a writer themselves who does it because they feel like it's the right thing to do. But when the "praise characters" end up being wasted like here in JJK, I don't know if it still has the same impact... So great someone mentions it, not sure if it would have been better to just have even less strong female characters in the story xD

[@HazZzel-]

I mean no shade, but I feel like men trying to write the female expirience can be awkward unless they have a sister to tell them what its like. Even then its a second hand account But in geges case....he just doesn't know what to do with any of his characters. Women or no. Jjk feels very unplanned But I dont plan on just complaining and doing nothing. I've been writing my own female dominated series for a while now, and hopefully within the next few years I'll get it published. I've pretty much put my blood sweat and tears into the characters, I've just got to clean up the plot and I'll be on track to start illustrating

[@wavysocks]

Shonen mangakas not trying to sexualize, objectifiy, make them damsel of distress or killing their female characters for the sake of shock value challange IMPOSSIBLE!!

[@preetham9641]

Objectify.. Sexualize.. Kinda hate these words ngl.... I never understood this over the top intolerence anime fans have towards fanservice as if it's worst thing in the world... STOP ASSOCIATING FANSERVICE WITH CHARACTER WRITING and u may actually find some well writing female characters in a lot of shounen...

[@preetham9641]

Game of thrones has lot of sex scenes and naked scenes of females but that doesn't fuckinh matter because they r well written character... Fandom doesn't bring stuffs like fanservice while judging a character.. But snowflakes like u really get offended by each and every damn thing in this world

[@OGslick]

With how much praise that episode was getting I thought I was one of the few people that thought the "women episode" came off pretty cringy. Felt like that endgame scene all over again.

[@jazzmazz9214]

Its not even like JJK is bad at doing characterization in battles. Hell, a lot of the fights in the culling games do have some fun characterization for the enemy sorcerers...who then promptly turn into complete morons and die instantly. A lot of their deaths are made even more bizarre by how brainless they are. These characters who are introduced as being cunning as any other sorcerer suddenly make the dumbest possible decisions or strategies that wind up with them getting killed, most of the time, without doing or accomplishing anything, making all the time spent with them feel like a waste. Yeah, I don't think JJK likes its cast.

[@epic8413]

Many, many good points. Absolutely agree that the standard for Female characters is incredibly low when they should just be held to the same standard any character should, be decently good. There were some promising moments for the JJK female cast, but aside from Maki it’s entirely……overrated. I think now what really keeps people looking into the cast is they just being hot, which is cool, but……I want a character man. Justice for Yuki and Nobara ✊

[@bern8940]

I think the female standard being a low bar is mostly a battle shonen problem. Otherwise outside of that, there’s plenty of well written and great/good anime female characters.

[@Navaneeth-hv9sh]

For me nobara fell flat from the beginning.almost all of jjk's characters are built around the fast pacing of the manga,gojo's escalation to godhood,yuji's suppression,mahito being the anti human ultimatum curse these all fit right into the faster pacing of the show.hell,even geto who turned evil in an moments notice already viewed non sorcerers weak,calling question on his original views to begin with.

[@TroyTheCatFish]

Thank You 🙏

[@an8strengthkobold360]

Sad they couldn't have even let Mihwa take off Kenjaku's arm with her sword slash or something. In Geto's body he relies more on summoning then brawling so it's not likenit would massively change the story or anything.

[@azopeopaz3059]

I know that a lot of video/people claim that Noelle silva from black clover have a good developement and it well use untile the end even if she a love interste and a tsundere have you any opinion about this that?

[@preetham9641]

People overrate noelle too much.. She's great but not even close to being best shounen female lead... Not even close

[@gandalfstyle2977]

@@preetham9641yeah she isnt the best, but she is up there, she is always relevant, has multiple plotlines not connected to the main character, is constantly growing and is just overall an enjoyable charcter that is treated like any other character

[@dAWwr906]

@@preetham9641 Who are the best shonen female leads? If Noelle from Black Clover isn't even close I assume you could list a lot? After reading this, I could see how my initial comment might seem aggressive. I don't mean to. I really just want to know. Maybe even find a few new anime to watch?

[@SSJ_EWGF]

I think the main reason why MHA discourse, particular Bakugo fans gets so annoying to me is how blatantly hypocritical the criticism for Uraraka is. Like dawg, your favorite character deadass only exists 1) be a parallel of the main character, and 2) Jobbed to whatever Villain they have to fight so Deku gets an angy DragonBall rage moment. They fact that other characters from Uraraka to even Shoto are being trashed as 'too narratively attached to Deku' is equally hilarious and sad when some of these people are actually completely serious in saying that.

[@jeffali5157]

I haven’t seen shouto get trashed for this nearly as much as Uraraka.

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

Bakugo is a genuine whatever character at this point.

[@jeffali5157]

@@MarianaBello-fq3hx and from what I hear, Horikoshi is still glazing him to an insane degree

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

@@jeffali5157 Horikoshi is trying to write a story where the heroes have 0 last long consequences so yeah.

[@jeffali5157]

@@MarianaBello-fq3hx true, glad I dropped it sooner cause this was getting ridiculous and ruined so much for me

[@ZackYeager-kk5ow]

Polygons article. Well that didnt aged well. With the current situation in the manga, the issue is not with just female characters. Its with many characters in JJK. The JJK female characters are thrown without providing shock or value for plot. They are hyped for instance Yuki. Used for a fight and then Good riddance. They are treated as fodders. Attack on Titan treats its female cast well. They have their voices, opinion and impacts.

[@veturwinter]

You forgot zoro

[@AsarathaHSYT]

True

[@naganut9718]

Zoro is second best waifu only behind Speedwagon

[@dohickey7184]

Just leaving this comment to curse you for that Bakudeku image at the beginning😭

[@Nova-gh5yr]

I just wanna say with the Ochako and Toga chapter that blew up a lot of female and LGBT fans really liked it. I never really saw a straight guy give it praise because of fanservice. I mean idk they probably exist but I would limit that chapter to "fanservice". Absolutely spitting in this video though

[@AsarathaHSYT]

its probably just spaces of the internet we occupy. its genuinely all i saw in response to a genuinely good chapter

[@Nova-gh5yr]

@AsarathaHSYT That makes sense. It was just sad to see it reduced to fanservice since there is a lot of good stuff written in that chapter.

[@paradakx5792]

factssss i was just thinking about this

[@MrTimeattacker]

BTW theresia fits the the whole badass combatant but embraces the feminine side of her character perfectly.

[@Kaybee29523]

the only manga i have seen that has a wide variety of females tied to the plot almost all the way is black lagoon

[@MB-eh2kp]

Chainsaw man is also a good contender of this. Infact a majority of the moving plot lines of the series is mainly if not always constructed by a woman

[@molluscumlore]

It's certainly a problem in mainstream manga, but I will say there's a LOT out there if you look beyond the mainstream. Not everything will be a hit, but it's certainly more than a couple hits in the mix