Ascaso Steel Duo PID Review

[@davidtester863]

This was a killer review not only because you showcased the Ascaso, but also because you covered a lot of concepts that are foundational like OPV, thermoblock, etc. Thank you!!

[@rbbrchkn]

"Please don't have upgraditis" 29:20 So glad to hear you say this! Great work as always. Cheers

[@scott-wright]

This is the most valuable part of of the video. * I say as I sip on my cappuccino prepared on a 14 year old Sunbeam EM6910 that is still going strong *

[@stefdriver]

@@rbbrchkn you have to at least buy the Duo first, then don’t have upgraditis. I bought the Uno and regret not going for the Duo at the time. It was about $700 cheaper then too!

[@petes_CE]

Preventing Vapor lock/air lock: Vapor lock often occurs when users turn on the machine and allow it to warm up dry (no water in the thermoblock). Once the pump is activated and water is introduced into the thermoblock, it immediately evaporates, outputting only steam. If the machine has been in storage for a long time or is brand new, fill the reservoir with water, turn on the machine and then immediate activate the pump until water runs continuously out of the grouphead. To fix vapor lock, you can try to force water through with a syringe (as shown in the video) or wait till it cools down completely and try again.

[@miladfaghihifar2834]

Appreciate the amount of detail you go into for these reviews. I enjoy learning from people this thorough rather than *pulls shot* “tastes good!”

[@loupasternak]

ocd

[@Homebrewingit]

I've noticed some misunderstanding all over the internet about the 20 amp requirement of this machine. I'm an Electrical Engineer and a Licensed Journeyman Electrician. To cut to the chase, it will operate at full power on a 15 amp receptacle. I have a Duo and I use the provided adapter to plug into my 15A receptacle. It works fine. I'm in Oklahoma and my house was built in 2004. It is common to have a 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp circuit. Most circuits in the US are actually 20A. You can verify this by looking at the breakers. There are 2 risks when using the adapter on a 15 amp receptacle. 1. If you put greater than a 15A load for a long time, > 15 minutes, you could overheat the receptacle. 2. If the circuit has a 15 amp breaker, it won't hold the load for long. If there is enough interest, and Lance asks for it, I will do a detailed analysis and provide actual measurements. Bottom line is: don't be scared to buy one of these and use the 15 amp adapter. It's provided for a reason; because it works fine.

[@LimitedWard]

Edit: ignore my comment below if you are in the US. It apparently only applies to Canada. I confirmed this with Ascaso USA directly. ------- Hijacking this comment to add that it seems the latest revision of the North American model comes with a NEMA 15 plug. According to multiple sources online, people are reporting that Ascaso has switched back to using a "regular" 15 amp plug (likely because it was causing more confusion and scaring people off from buying).

[@jamesmcn0000]

Don't underestimate the absolutely abysmal quality of electrical wiring in major West Coast cities (Seattle, SF, LA, among others).

[@foulwin9719]

When I got interested in making espresso and lattes at home I had been given a $400 machine that some friends had gotten but never really used. It couldn't do what I needed. I invested in this machine and I've honestly been making better espresso and lattes than I get at 99% of cafes. Really recommend for those getting into espresso. Definitely look for used or refurbished but it's been a workhorse and a pleasure to use so far.

[@dominikmeyer4483]

Which espresso machine do u have, asking for a friend :D.

[@HannoverMedia]

@@dominikmeyer4483 This machine.

[@PiratePhD]

I got the newer Plus model a couple of weeks ago, which comes with a lever instead of a knob. It also ships with an additional bottomless PF and a nicer tamper with wood handle. Couldn't be happier tbh. I also got a leather cover for the cup holder which prevents slipping and vibrating of the cups.

[@bjrnpedersen9127]

Did that come with the machine, or where did you get it? I’m also looking to buy the plus model, but I’m a bit withholding because of the vibration.

[@skribbleme]

any chance you could link to the cup holder cover?

[@erikbuiten14]

The only thing i have against the Plus compared to regular besides €400 more is the drip tray. i would like all plus features except the driptray with the pointy bits. It looks like the two bumps hinders the placement of the scale.

[@sobaze]

@@erikbuiten14, That is annoying, I must say. I have the Plus and I like everything about it but the grill. Hopefully they’ll make a replacement without those bumps. Otherwise a fantastic machine.

[@gerardgonzaleznavarrete8023]

Just recently acquired this machine and I'm happy to report that they have included an 18gr non pressurized basket! Also the Tamper has changed for a more traditional shape (no more arm day for you) 58mm and respectable 250g of weight (still not the best fit for most 58mm baskets)

[@TeeLichtet]

I own one of these machines in an older iteration. I also had quality issues. The OPV was broken twice, the whole electronics board needed to be replaced at some point and the pump went bad. Since replacing the pump, I had issues with noise and vibration. Gladly, there is a thread on the German kaffee-netz forum where people describe their solutions around these problems. I added some foam around the main water tube and dampened the steel case with self-adhesive "alubutyl" mats. The result is good enough for me while keeping efforts reasonable.

[@omarhani]

Looks like a win! I love that there's an all-stainless steel path from the thermocoil to the cup. I'm trying to avoid anything with hot water interaction with plastics. There's so much research out there on all the degenerative endocrine disruption to the human body due to the chemicals (even in BPA-free) plastics.

[@codyc.964]

So, I have this machine and the plastic water reservoir still heats up. BUT! you can flip the reservoir around to catch the OPV and steam runoff, and let the silicone hoses dangle out, into a glass jar. Mine is set up this way so I'm always using fresh water from a glass jug. 😊

[@Firerace]

But I see a lot of copper tubes? What do they do? 26:32

[@jamesprecious1035]

I've had my Duo for about a year now. I ordered a 20 amp adaptor from Amazon and have had no issues using the machine here in Canada. Lance's review is spot on. I paired my machine with a Varia V3 grinder and I'm using an IMS 18 Gram basket. I also ordered a bottomless porta filter and a Normcore spring loaded tamper. I super happy with this set up and vibration aside I'm brewing very tasty coffee drinks. Thanks for this great review Lance. Good coffee vibes from Vancouver.

[@JacobBehrend]

I hsve the exact same setup 😊

[@a1a13761]

Are you running the Duo on a 15 AMP circuit? No tripping of breaker?

[@jamesprecious1035]

No problems at all. It works perfect.

[@Graggs]

How bad is the vibration? Are we talking about chasing it across the counter? Have you had a Sage / Breville? Is it any better or worse than that?

[@jamesprecious1035]

@@Graggs The vibration is not bad at all. If you have various things on top of the machine they will rattle a bit. Sorry for the delay.

[@LaurenF123]

I love the non e61 machines for all the reasons you mention. Thank you, Lance for combining tech with espresso! I love the deep dives and your ideas are well articulated and balanced with the pros and cons.

[@charliehawthorne5763]

Been waiting on this review! I got one last year as well and opted for the duo and absolutely love it. Something I did for the top was take the rails off and used a thin rubber mat from a tool box and cut it to shape and put it on top. Cups don’t really slide at all and it still allow some heat through if you are wanting to warm a cup. Also takes down the amount of wiping the top trying to keep it clean.

[@HHSquare22]

You might want to rid of your “rubber mat” and get a silicone mat for health reasons. Rubber off gases and better to use silicone which won’t heat up and off-gas.

[@zyzda22]

I got this machine about 4 months ago and I'm thrilled with it! I worked as a barista in a cafe for a year in 2016 and had used a flair at home (as well as pourover) until this- it's been superb for me. I love how quickly it heats up, it makes great espresso, and the steam is good. Obviously not a commercial grade steam wand, but if you know what you're getting, it's really not a big deal and you can get great texture. It's so much easier and quicker in terms of workflow compared to using a flair and nanofoamer!

[@zyzda22]

I will add, I got my machine refurbished from espresso parts, so maybe that's why, but mine doesn't seem to vibrate quite as much and I don't have any scratches to speak of after using for 4 months.

[@TizOnly1]

I've had this machine for a year now, and really love it. Weak steaming is the only real drawback to me (I am on a 20 amp circuit btw), but it's not so weak that it's *really* an issue.. just something for a stickler to complain about even though we're really only talking about like 15 seconds of difference (it's me- I'm the stickler).

[@Yoku-San0]

Is it possible to increase steam pressure by raising the steaming temperature via PID?

[@stefdriver]

@@Yoku-San0Not sure but on the UNO steam temp is fixed. It’s weak but if you change the tip to a small single hole it helps.

[@williamstorch5310]

You sure you have the new version? The v2 completely fixes the steam pressure. I've had no issues at all. I think they sell an upgrade kit as well

[@TizOnly1]

@@williamstorch5310 I have the v2. The steam pressure is definitely still weaker than a boiler machine.

[@seanvk]

Fantastic review. Clear, informative, and helpful. I own the same generation of duo reviewed. Really enjoy it.

[@Kiaulen]

Never clicked so fast in my life. This is the machine I've been trying to decide on. It's almost as handsome as Lance

[@Kiaulen]

Glad to hear you talk about the shoddy QC, that was one of my hesitations. As far as baskets go, most people buying this machine are going to bring or buy their own anyway. Completely agree on the awful tamper though. Menu being obtuse is fine, given it should mostly be set and forget. I love the accessible OPV. Fantastic review, as always. I'm between this or saving up for a decent as my next machine (to replace my miicoffee apex)

[@DGPHolyHandgrenade]

I've had this machine for just under a year (will be a year in August) I've used it daily for my personal morning latte fix and I pull 2 shots back to back for a larger latte. I have to say I'm happy with it overall. It will overheat if you leave it on for a few hours and it'll show an error code. I've gotten it to reset just by letting it cool off some. I make use of the cup warmer on top, but dont store anything there anymore because of the vibrations. There are pros and cons with it but overall very happy. The cons, at least in my view have been minor annoyances that are easily worked around. Very happy you finally got around to reviewing this as well.

[@realxivn]

FYI for the cup warmer, I’ve cut and put a piece of cabinet “easy liner” and it works super well. No worried about vibrations affecting the cups at all, and keeps the top scratch free!

[@brightonseeley7163]

I have owned one of these for the last 3-4 months and made roughly 400 coffees with it. It was an upgrade from a barista express and It was worth every penny. So far it has been flawless and makes consistently great coffee. Paired with a good set of baskets and a naked portafilter it heats up very quickly. I could not imagine going to a boiler after experiencing the on demand ability of dual thermoblock. great review! Thanks Lance.

[@dejedejsson]

Well, one really has to hope that a $2000 machine is better in everything than a $500 one!

[@Kiaulen]

Super glad to hear this. I went from a barista express to a MiiCoffee Apex while I save for this one.

[@next_rabbit_hole]

Thanks, Lance! I picked up this machine about six months ago and I got the “plus” model which included extra precision baskets (18 & 21g), single & dual steam tips and a bottomless PF (handles unscrew and can swap). My only real complaint is the offset I needed +6° I found to get drier steam you can run the steam mode for about 4-5 seconds (wand closed), then turn it off wait for steam to escape, then turn back on and steam normal. Great machine, felt like I took a gamble that has paid off. PS “Jet black espresso” in Sydney Australia tests and primes their units before sale, so that saves you and error on first use 😅

[@MrDistracted]

Hi - I’m up on QLD and I just checked out Jetblack. Thank you for the Plus tip - I think that covers everything you’d want to kick off and upgrade with. I’m not sure I need a Duo as I’m mainly a long black drinker and we use steam just for milk drinks like hot chocolate for the kids - so not part of the same brew process and an Uno might be fine, but but but….. I think that Duo Plus is calling me! Thanks for the useful comment post, really appreciate it - just wanted to let you know your feedback was appreciated. Cheers!

[@syrten]

i like how lance is such a cool coffee nerd.

[@gerard3797]

The intro to this video is the perfect explanation why the Linea Mini is so great, the hybrid HX system allows for fresh brew water and quick start up time of about 10 minutes.

[@machineslave3]

I bought this machine pre-Lance Hendrick review. I'm glad it's a likable product. I like it but I do feel the limiting factor is the pre-infusion and lack of flow control. I was considering now switching to a Bezzera Aria Top as it seems to be a good option for well made.machine with flow control.

[@Alexis-dy1ny]

That heat up time is absolutely the reason I bought one, it's been my nearly daily driver for the last year and couldn't be happier. Been using the Ascaso and a Mahlkonig x54 to wonderful effect, might consider replacing in another 5-6 years barring any catastrophic events.

[@chris_huelsemeyer]

Best review in a long time!!

[@TylerH266]

Posted in the discord last night that I have $2000 to spend on a new espresso machine. Was scouring KZbin for a Lance Ascaso review…and here it is. Thanks Lance!

[@Gazziza29]

Just get the Profitec Pro 300

[@HHSquare22]

My suggestion would be to look for a good pre-owned machine, like a Expobar Brewtus, Office Lever, or older Profitec 500,or 700. Most people don’t need PID, imo, just marketing baloney to sell and raise price. Very few people can taste the difference if temp is off and coffee beans vary significantly even if buying the same bean repeatedly.

[@stevenisakson4895]

Profitec Move was recently announced and is looking promising for a dual boiler!

[@azndoodle1]

Been waiting for your review on Ascaso! Thanks so much!

[@hurcorh]

Overall build quality on surface value seems a little better on the later model Duo PID plus version. A little less ‘rattly’. Glad you touched on the temp offset. Certainly should be set for the user before shipping in my opinion

[@rychevamp]

I'm loving mine so far. As far as the rattling, I got a thin, opaque shelf liner from ali express, and i use it on top. Keeps the cups from rattling, and protects it. I use a shelf liner with holes for the drip tray, so it doesn't shake either. Maybe since I upgraded from a Breville, I don't feel the steam is bad at all. I love the look of it, and I'm very happy that after all the research, I went with this one. I turn it on in the morning, feed the cats, and its ready.

[@jacoblester1363]

I just received mine yesterday! I love it so much!

[@maisongaston2021]

Hey, Frederik from Belgium, thanks for the review. I have my Ascaso Steel Duo PID almost 2 years and my pre infusion and pause is also set to 5-5, but in pre infusion there is only water pumping whiteout pressure, after the pause the pump re-engage and then the pressure builds up. So my pre infusion works different but like it should (I think). I am very happy with the results. Thanks for all your input and advice 👌

[@perudolux]

Have mine since 6 months as an upgrade for my lelit. Couldn’t be happier

[@ŠtěpánKotrba-j7z]

Which Lelit?

[@katabrontes]

I went other way. My old (non pid) Duo limed up it's steamthermoblock as you would expect if you think about what is happening. The water is completely boiled off by the time steam appears. Compare with filling a pan and boiling it until dry. I now have Lelit Elizabeth. Much better.

[@biggbentheory]

Ascaso steel duo PID Plus comes with a much better classic looking tamper, and blind, 7, 14, 18, 21 gram baskets. Also has a handle for the steam rather than a dial (thank God). It is couple of hundred $$ more but I adore mine. 🎉 Cheers with my ugly latte art☕️

[@ItsMarkMcIntyre]

Thanks, Lance! Been anxiously waiting for your opinion on this one, since I've got the Ascaso Steel Duo PID Plus, which has some incremental improvements over this model, including finally coming with a bottomless portafilter and 18g and 20g baskets. One question: The Ascaso's OPV is set to 11 bar at factory. A lot of people say the first thing to do is set this to 9 bar, but I've also heard that getting 9 bars of pressure should be a matter of prepping your puck just right, so the puck provides the right resistance rather than relying on the OPV. I'm curious what the science says about this?

[@viperlt86]

Heard from DaddyLovesCoffee? I have wondered this too.

[@sharkboar]

If you set your grind course enough to get it at 9 bar at the puck with 11 bar pump pressure your shot will finish in like 15 seconds and be watery and underextracted

[@medatef7198]

Wake up babe my opinion on the Ascaso Steel Duo PID just dropped

[@Jusimisiu]

Haven't laughed that much at a comment for a long time

[@MereCashmere]

​@Jusimisiu if you liked that joke, go read the comments on every other Lance video for the exact same comment!

[@blackbirdmanf]

This is getting old

[@i.was.a.teenage.sludge.hippie]

@@blackbirdmanfthe joke isn’t old, you’re old!

[@scd6969]

Some questionable design decisions with this machine. Releasing steam inside the machine doesn't sound like a good idea. Hope they've isolated the electronics (well enough) from the tank compartment where this steam is being released. I can see some home barista types playing with this machine for an hour or two and having repeated steam bursts build up considerable moisture in the machine outside of the reservoir tank.

[@nomadsolos]

I have a Ascaso Dream PID it is the small version of the Ascaso Steel. It has served me well for four years. It takes like 60 seconds to go from shot temps to steam temps. It will cool down while I consume the double latte that I have made. When it bites the dust I will replace it with another Ascaso. I am with you in that I think the Thermocouple is the way forward for the future, which the Dream already has. Thank you for this review I have been waiting for you to review it.

[@kalle3940]

I don't understand why they included the pressurized baskets. Surely, if one pays 1000$ for an espresso machine, one would at least know enough about espresso to have planned to get it and a decent grinder too? Or am I having too much faith in humanity?

[@cabaretampere]

It means you can sell it to people with money who don't have a grinder (yet). How many times have you had someone ask you what machine they should get and then look blankly at you when you ask what grinder they have or are getting?

[@nordBelka]

On the other hand if you pay 1000$ you may want to have every possible accessory to avoid "they don't even put a pressurized basket for THAT money" moment

[@coolfrost6]

True, but on the other hand i can't remember ever seeing some one like Lance or Hoffman doing a proper test on pressurized portafilters. Are we rejecting them out of snobbery or are they truly bad for even extraction?

[@LanceHedrick]

@coolfrost6 bad for extraction.

[@LanceHedrick]

Let me rephrase. Bad for *typical espresso* presentation.

[@MarcusWolff-xw8dg]

When I use the pre-infusion on my machine the pressure stays at 0. So it works without any problems and shows noticeable results. I guess the problem here is that the pre-infusion was tested with the blind basket.

[@NubRusty]

I friggin LOVE LOVE LOVE my Ascaso Duo! I use a little mat on the top of the machine to keep all of my stuff in place.

[@ZiggyZoggy]

What kind of mat? I have one too…

[@HHSquare22]

Love it compared to what? I sure wouldn’t look at one but that’s just me.

[@ZiggyZoggy]

@@HHSquare22 What would you look at?

[@whitegoose5939]

I've had this machine since September last year been loving it and all it takes is for Lance to make one video and already unlocked a tip which has already improved my already great esspresso 😂😂😂 cheers mate🎉

[@ZiggyZoggy]

Which tip was that?

[@whitegoose5939]

@ZiggyZoggy I had the 5 second pre-infusion set but not the 5 second delay to allow it to blume. I'm getting much more even extraction and the flavour of the esspresso is very consistent throughout the day even the first pull.

[@ZiggyZoggy]

@@whitegoose5939 oh yeah, I've been doing that all along. Its helps!

[@rylanprieb2851]

@LanceHedrick Love this review! Have had this machine for about 18 months and agree with many of your pros and cons of it. I was a bit surprised about the pre infusion creating pressure on your machine as I’ve never seen that. Even the shots I pulled after watching this video, I had never experienced that. However, I just pulled off the shower screen for the first time (I’ve done regular backflushing, but always been scared to remove the screen) and now when I put everything back together the pre infusion does cause the pressure to rise. Maybe check the gasket and basket and screen. That could likely be the causal factor! Thanks for great content as always! Cheers!

[@masterjay3079]

Loved your final comments ❤

[@wootenized]

Love your review! I've had the 2012 model of the ascaso dream since 2017; one issue that I've noticed is the water comes out in four big streams from the group head, sometimes causing actual channels in the coffee bed. Also had some bad scaling issues between the distributor and the grouphead (before I learned how to take apart the distributor and clean thoroughly) causing the parts to be jammed together. I had to replace the group in 2023. Luckily parts and diagrams are readily available and it wasn't too hard to do myself! Been working like new again since the fix.

[@JPC326]

This machine is in my aim since 2 years really cool that you reviewed it

[@joebrewer6034]

Thanks for the detailed video! I have the exact same machine, and share the same experiences as you. I did take mine apart, and installed vibration damping pads on all surfaces inside the machine. It did not make the vibrations completely disappear, but it sounds much better, and feels like a more expensive machine now!

[@danishlalahero]

Do you have some potos and links?

[@jesterdans]

Ascaso Baby T plus user for two years here, would like to see you do a review on it, thermoblock for brewing and 2.5L boiler for steaming, getting the best from both worlds, really good alternative to a Linea mini.

[@PaulvonStaufen]

And a rotation pump! Wich is a big upgrade in comparison to the vibration pump fr.

[@mimir1982]

I've had this machine for the past 6 months and I couldn't be happier. After changing the portafilter and the basket it's been flawless. I haven't encountered the vibration problem that you bring up and some other people online mention as well, not more than my perevious machine (bambino plus) but because the duo is built like a tank it's less noticeable even with cups on the cup warmer. I do have two questions though. How feasible would it be to change the pump to a rotary one? And what would be an arbitrary offset number?

[@elromulous]

Re: why the flow meter is before the pump. It's almost certainly because the flow meter cannot handle high pressure, so they put it on the low pressure side. There are a bunch of trade-offs with flow meters, but if you want accurate, and high pressure tolerance it gets pretty expensive.

[@LanceHedrick]

they handle the pressure fine. if you get a proper one. it's not a big deal for most flow meters. They are also all crappy. Would be better off just using a timer feature lol

[@elromulous]

@@LanceHedrick I'm curious, do you know what flow meter they used? The gicar ones can handle all the pressure, but my understanding is they're inaccurate at low flow rates.

[@LanceHedrick]

@elromulous they're all inaccurate at low flow. Tbh, they're just all inaccurate period lol. But yeah all are terrible at low flow.

[@jasperv8095]

@@LanceHedrick hi Lance just hoping that you'll read this. I'm wondering if it's possible to reroute the OPV return line to just *before* the pump but *after* the flow meter. This way the water won't pass through the flow meter twice, it'll simply be sucked up by the pump again without being measured by the flow sensor. This is basically what 90s turbo charged cars do, because they measure intake flow right after the air filter which is then used to calculate the required amount of fuel. As the turbo is spinning it has momentum and thus when the throttle closes, the air pressure spikes and the air escapes through an OPV. However, as this air has already been measured by the flow sensor, if it were to leave the system then the ecu won't know how much fuel to add (which is exactly the issue we're talking about here!) Also, yes I am an automotive engineer and drive a 90s turbo brick Volvo 940 ;)

[@CaptainCalis]

I got my Steel Duo PID Plus two weeks ago so I'm glad you didn't shit on it. I like it so far although i can't put it through it's places properly until my new grinder arrives.

[@ilvision]

Same, got mine a month ago and love it!

[@pedrofigueiredo3660]

Mine is arriving in one week! What grinder do you guys have? I am sticking with my fellow opus (using the beanie app).

[@diganta2329]

Machines like this are the exact reason why I have a manual leaver machine with no electronics what so ever 😅

[@baiyuliu3412]

I have a la pavoni..it makes the best coffee I’ve ever had. I ‘m very cautious to make any upgrades.

How to steam milk for a cup of latte requested by a beloved wife on your "manual leaver machine with no electronics"? Electronics are not a problem, when well thought.

[@h3yn0w]

Water degradation and access fresh water is an interesting topic. It’s one of the reasons I use an HX e61 machine. With a group head thermometer and some practice to nail down a flush routine and I get good brew temperature control with fresh water every time.

[@myname-mz3lo]

or just install a pid ... takes less than 10 minutes

[@HHSquare22]

@@myname-mz3lo. $2k and the pre-infusion is worthless, vibrates so much that things fall off?! Not sure why anyone would bye that machine?? I don’t things most everyday people can tell the difference with temperature variance. I’m in marketing and marketing works to increase sales for sure but usually doesn’t carry any real value. Just my opinion.😊

[@OneIdeaTooMany]

I love that manufacturers are trting something new. I had a chance to play around with one of their commercial machines (Barista T)and it was awesome. This seems pretty cool as well.

[@jpbarista3253]

My espresso machine, the “Grimac La Uno” from 1998, has been running reliably since I first got it. It’s made of copper, brass, and stainless steel, with no plastic components. With regular maintenance, I’ve only had to replace the seals and the vibratory pump so far. While I appreciate the design of Ascaso machines, I wonder if they can match the longevity of old school HX machines.

[@adurx]

4:45 I just bought the v2 version and they now also include an 18g basket

[@jsones022]

I just got an uno pid and it also came with 18g basket, it was an awesome surprise

[@edgarpoureshagh6023]

I've been itching to pull the trigger on this machine for about a year now but the lack of objective content on it. Everything until this felt very much like product placement or confirmation bias. Thank you for this!

[@mark_nz]

I run a Sunbeam EM7000. Dual thermo block, makes great coffee and 15 years old without a blip.

[@DaleMonaghan55]

Great review. Still a bit confused what to get once my beloved Breville barista express dies. Totally agree with your last comment. The beans and roasting date make all the difference.

[@Kareberries]

How did I miss this?! ❤ This is the machine I upgraded to after I sold my beginner breville bambino. Love this thing. So glad I didn't go the e61 route. Duo might be an overkill but I really needed to stop waiting the seconds for steam heat up 😂

[@bp060]

I have mine since almost a year. Its really great. IMO the temperature Offset isn't really a problem when you dial in by taste. Only for communication and trouble shooting.

[@kaktus3175]

Would love to see a video from you on the new upcoming Breville Oracle Jet. I am interested if the Thermojet gets the temperature as well as the normal Oracle Touch. Also, if the grinder is any better than in the Touch, because I always have issues with this.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

Taking the temperature from the grouphead gives this machine bonus points.

[@myname-mz3lo]

you can mod a gaggia classic to outperform this for 50 bucks and 20 minutes of easy work. this is just marketing for morons . parts are mostly non replaceable and machine will last 3 years max

[@LanceHedrick]

I have a video on the gaggiuino. its existence doesn't mean people will do it. for most, it is not an easy mod to make. also, have you owned one of these? Treated it properly over years? and it only last three years? Or are you blowing smoke? Also, you're aware most gaggias have aluminum boilers? and a plethora of other issues.

[@FatNorthernBigot]

@@LanceHedrick People get quite angry on the KZbin comments section. 😕

[@SaltySaltySalty.]

@@LanceHedrickI watched your gaggiuino video & decided to return the GCP Evo for a Profitec Go. I valued paying more to save time, the headache, & to prevent from voiding a warranty. Boilergate also influenced my decision

[@ValorantProVods1]

@@myname-mz3lo sure buddy

[@Chelko88]

I've been interested in this machine for a very long time. Thanks a lot for this great review. I would probably stick to the UNO for the ease of its electric supply in Canada.

[@Hundredthldiot]

Dumping OP water back into the reservoir is a big selling point. I had a Sage/Breville BE that dumped excess water to the tray, and after adjusting the OPV it used to consume like 1/4 tank of water for each brew.

[@LanceHedrick]

thought that was a nice thing to showcase so people had an actual visual of it in action.

[@LeeCooper-y8n]

How can we clean the showerhead? I can’t seem to find how you can get it off your machine. There is no screw for instance. Thanks in advance.

[@andreasr6632]

I would really like to see a review of a thailand made machine like the Beno Doppio which is actually a dual thermoblock machine like the Ascaso ! But do it extensive with pressure and temperature measurements on the grouphead. Grouphead preheat temperature and all features they advertise just to see if those machines actually are what they advertise.

[@AndrewKlassen-uj2jr]

Hey Lance, thanks for the overview! Were you using the stock 18g basket for these shots? I’ve at the Ascaso Steel Duo, with a DF 64 for my grinder. I’m really struggling with pressure and trying to figure out if my pressure gauge is incorrectly calibrated. 18.5grams in / 38grams out. I’ve got a five second pre-infusion with a five second pause, and it’s pulling at 11-12 Bar in 28 seconds including pre infusion. I just can’t seem to get that long slow nine bar shot that you did in the video. Trying to figure out if my pressure gauge is walk you without a tool to measure it is a bit tricky. 😅 also had a huge temp offset on my machine so I suspect bad qc. If I grind courser to lower the pressure, the shot runs fast, I could go finer with the grind setting (at 18.5 currently stock burrs) to increase the shot time but that’ll only increase my pressure more.

[@paulodarosa674]

Thank you again Lance. Although I am very susceptible to premature upgraditis, I actually need a machine. Still rocking my Breville Duo Temp Pro. No control of anything. Anyhow, I'm really interested in the tech / efficiency side of not going full boilers as Lance mentions. I'd appreciate anyone that has any advice or suggestions to that extent.

[@0whitestone]

Does altitude and/or air pressure effect the offset needed? My first thought was also that the factory should set the offset, but maybe it depends on your local environment?

[@HHSquare22]

After reading more comments from buyers, I can’t believe anyone would consider this machine even if it were less money. So many better options out there especially in higher end machines that can last for decades as long as you maintain for longevity. But hey if you’re happy then that’s great!

[@martinmanzi1830]

The thing with the two sides tamper is that Dream Zero models (and the basic I think) use 57mm portafilter. I have one of those and works super good...but having a 57mm is a pain in the ass and doesn't give you much room for upgrades, e.g. bottomless portafilter

[@ronnyskaar3737]

Interesting, Lance. Do you think Breville will issue a dual thermoblock soon? Would be great. Especially if it could be in the price range of the dual boiler, and with it's features. Would blow competition away.

[@stefdriver]

My ascaso came with an 18g filter. I actually cram 20g of coffee into it to get the thing to pressurize properly (Yes I have a good grinder). Overall the machine has been reliable for daily use over the last 5 years! This review is bang on about the vibrations and easily scratched chrome finish.

[@sobaze]

Can you share your settings? I’m playing with dosage right now trying to dial it in. Putting 18g in the 18g basket has resulted in a really wet puck after extraction. A little sour too. I was thinking of adding more coffee. What are your settings preferences?

[@stefdriver]

@ i told you it needs 20g of coffee, which must be freshly finely ground. I also found the temperature is much lower than indicated. There is an offset in the setup menu you can apply. I had to add a +5 degrees C.

[@sobaze]

@@stefdriver, Pre-infusion settings?

[@stefdriver]

@@sobaze ah yes turning on 5 second pre-infusion helps reduce acidity. Also aim for a 40g shot in the glass with 20g of coffee. For years I went by time (30 seconds) that resulted in long, bitter shots. You should end up closer to 25 seconds (20 seconds without pre-infusion).

[@sobaze]

@@stefdriver, That’s great! Thanks!

[@stefdriver]

I am shocked the brew temp is that stable. Impressive that the little thermoblock has the power to hold temps during extraction. On my UNO it drops 15C after a 30 sec shot (according to its own internal PID).

[@Rylos277]

Great video, appreciate the review!

[@marcfalardeau6058]

Hi Lance, l am learning with you how to brew a good espresso with my Ascaso uno pid I bought last week. My question: When extracting, is the pressure a prime variable? I am looking for 9-10 bars on the gauge as an indication of appropriate ground size. Thanks, Marc, Quebec 🇨🇦 😉☕️

[@batcatman]

Same QC issues, got a E03 error (Coffee exchanger fault) right out of the box, the light under the coffee 1/2 switch never turned on. The US location doesn't even have a phone#. Any idea or suggestions on how to fix it?

[@richardaristeo8394]

Without spending 2k, I bought a Gevi, 3 on 1 espresso machine that works just as good of the big boys. Precise, reliable and consistent. Pro quality and statistical presentation unit.

[@aruppert314]

I would really like your thoughts if possible on choosing between this machine or the Profitec Go/Move. I’m just as likely to pull an espresso as I am to make a milk drink on any given day and may also make on occasion several drinks for a few friends. Coming from a Breville infuser and I’ve now upgraded my grinder to the DF64 I’m wondering which one I should go for of these two. Is there a big difference in the espresso quality between the two?

[@CarlosVargas-js8qz]

Great video! I bought this machine v2 with the updated steam and was faulty out of the box so out of frustration sent it back and with the refund bought the MaraX v2. Kinda regret the impulse there even though I love my MaraX and the warm up taking approx 15 minutes, can’t compete in efficiency with this thermo block tech. Now Ascaso released the Steel Duo Plus here in the states for around $2k so not a bad proposition just hope they worked out some of the quality issues. Beautiful machine though.

[@samuelcarlsen1442]

I’m thinking of this machine for my set up. But would the uno be better for me I don’t drink with milk ever. And even if I did, I would use the nano pro since I have mobility issues in my fingers that prevents me from using a steam wand But I really want the level of consistency in temperature and everything that this provides. Would that be the same on the other?

[@MrHackclan]

Nice.. i mean its good that machines get faster and use less energy but in the end.. its still cheaper to use your old boiler instead of buying something new aaaaaand i like to work on my boiler. Older bigger machines have waaaay more room to navigate .

[@labibrahman]

Crazy that it has taken this long for the mid to high home espresso machines to adopt this technology given that: 1. Waiting for the boiler to come up to temp is among the most annoying things about using a machine at home that isn't kept on all the time 2. We have had tankless / boiler-less tech capable of heating enough water to run the hot water supply for an entire house for many years already

[@milanp8]

Thanks for this review. I bought the Plus version of this machine recently to upgrade from my DeLonghi La Specialista Prestigio. It was over 3 times as expensive. And it was faulty and shutting itself off every few seconds. I decided to return it as I was not happy with what I got for the money. The DeLonghi just looked better, the steam wand was little bit too short, my cup didn't fit with a scale, etc. Would I be even able to taste the difference for so much more money? Anyways, I was wondering how an expert like you would compare lets say the new DeLonghi La Specialista Opera consumer machine with professional machines like Ascaso or Lelit that you are used to. Would be an interesting video to watch.

[@nickr9784]

I have the Diletto Mio which is technically similar to this machine. The glaring difference is the lack of pre infusion on the Mio. Are there any tricks at all to get around this?

[@PetrKrenzelok]

Was looking into a Lelit Bianca v3, but don't want to wait for the warm-up, though some ppl claim, they got it down to something like 15 minutes. Was considerin this Ascaso too - so is that a comparable machine to get instead of Bianca?

[@lloydmacneil5652]

the lever machine in the background!

[@carlesmiquel]

Here, on the other side of the pond, we’ve been using our Ascaso for more than 20 years. It’s a bulletproof thing. And beautiful.

[@LanceHedrick]

You're in the USA? Cuz I'm in portugal.

[@carlesmiquel]

@@LanceHedrick I have lived in Spain for 35 years. In San Cugàt. We watched Ascaso being born here. So these are machines we’ve been using for years. Along with our amazing (heavily modified) hefty and reliable Italian Saecco aluminum and ss core. Almost 25 years and making amazing cups. We’re not worried about the 21 gram baskets or naked portafilters on this machine. We rely on its original but strongly modified porta filter with a nice ims basket. A charm. Even with tough coffees. Ascasos here are the standard. And, if you open all single head ones, you’ll find the same exact components inside, even with the humble Basic. The “new” PID Dream is the same as the Steel but with only one thermocoil. You should cut it in half and look at the marvel of ingenuity that makes these machines fast, predictable and reliable. Not for a scientist but for an espresso drinker for more than 45 years. Ascaso is one of the most amazing brands in Europe. Canadians are adopting them. But, Portugal? They’ve been there for a really long time. Loved your content. Makes me proud of you… the Master. You rock. Sorry. Não sabia que você era português. É que você parece tão americano. E seu sotaque e tudo mais são tão americanos que nem consigo entender como você está apenas “apresentando” uma máquina Ascaso. Suponho que seja para seus principais seguidores nos EUA de A.

[@LanceHedrick]

@carlesmiquel ta bem! All good! Eu sou American, but I live in Porto as of 2 years ago.

[@carlesmiquel]

@@LanceHedrick What a beautiful place to live in! Great move. I’d never ever live in the us of a. Keep the good work! You’re fun and wild.

[@jeffspirer4832]

@@LanceHedrick I realize that this is the wrong place to ask this question, but I am moving to Porto next week (from Lisbon) and buying this machine, wondering if you have tried Booinga Coffee as they are close to where I will be living.

[@tizio5103]

@0:45 You just suggested that heating and cooling water "degrades" it. Can you please clarify? Because most of the water we see every day has been doing exactly that for billions of years now.

[@LanceHedrick]

The water system is a bit more complex and...longer... than what happens with boiling and room temp. Google scholar is your friend. I have cited one of many papers that discuss this in another comment about multiple kettles and potable water, etc.

[@bélalugrisi]

Fascinating! Thanks, Lance for sharing your immense knowledge & art. Man that machine is sexY~

[@Hybridog]

Nice review, nice machine. I don't have upgrade-itis and will stick with my Cafelat Robot, probably until I die. Which will be around 20 years from now.

[@wushuhsu]

Can you get your hands on the Ascaso Steel Duo Plus?

[@denizkandemir9744]

I have the Sage Pro and considering to "upgrade" to the Sage dual boiler, but is this really a upgrade? 🤔

[@frewert1969]

I have this machine and it's absolutely amazing! Except mine has been out of commission for a few months because it's stuck between the group and the hot water tap. I replaced the 3-way valve i could reach (to the group) without luck, so I'm guessing it's the valve over the hot water tap which is buried under so much tubing and wires 😭

[@bruno43505]

There is an newer version of this Model out, including several improvements. Loudness, baskets etc

[@LanceHedrick]

Sorta. This is still available. You're referring to the plus. It is largely just accessory upgrades.

[@ende421]

The Arkel Coast will be a contender in the 2k€ dual whatever class. Dual thin film heater, flow control, produced in Porto. First machines seem to get delivered this week. Look it up.

[@LanceHedrick]

I'm in porto. I've visited their factory lol

[@ende421]

@@LanceHedrick planing a review? The hottest new machine 2024. (Met and Argos are not new 2024, I guess)

[@LeeCooper-y8n]

Wonderful review! Thank you Lance. Just one question that contradicts the manual and several reddit posts: In the manual it says that you need to wait until the portafilter is also properly heated up. So you still need to wait for 20 to 30 minutes. Lance says you don’t have to wait and you can start as soon as the machine is ready. Can someone clearify this for me please? :) I have and love this machine!! But I have been waiting 30 minutes before I make my coffee..

[@LanceHedrick]

Don't wait. As I say in the video

[@mertinanc]

Great video, and explanations, do you kmow why the new version with the steam handle is only available in Europe ? (if that is correct of course)

[@elizabethalferd4247]

I have a question, I just purchased this baby and want to get a bottomless porta filter. Can I purchase any 58mm or do you have any recommendations?

[@grigoris.sapountzoglou]

Hi Lance! Great review, I really enjoyed it! One question about the temperature offset. Can I use the thermometer I have for the steam milk to check the water temp and then adjust the offset accordingly? Would that make sense or the thermometer reading would not be accurate? How else can I set the offset to the correct temp?

[@JesseAkersKnives]

Great overview! It's kinda sad that you have to explain how to "fix" the error messages on a brand new machine in this price range. It should just work, right? 🤔