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[@ASH-RAID]

After the first 45 minutes, it's cool to see that a lot of you in the comments ARE actually really enjoying the game mode. It gives me hope that, with some better matchmaking, rewards, QoL and tweaks along the way, there is some real promise here. On the other hand, it's difficult to avoid that fact that ultimately the clan that spends more is very likely to win more (RSL.. after all). I'll definitely make a follow up video in a couple months reevaluating things. Thanks again for watching and sharing your feedback.

[@rycs16]

They already explained the only metric available to them to match make this first siege off of was CvC scores. And then explained FUTURE sieges will be based off your siege scores going forward, so this should be one time thing as far as horrible mismatches are going. And my clan and I are loving this game mode, it's a lot of fun and the chaos of trying to herd the cats that are your clan members at the right target is part of the fun.

[@benjaminburns6336]

It is not without a few rough edges, but I think a lot of the complainers have no one but themselves to blame. I see a lot of people unwilling to learn a new game mode and unwilling to coordinate with their clan (or find a clan that will coordinate). If you don't want to play the new mode, fair enough, but that doesn't make it garbage or mean that there shouldn't be exclusive rewards.

[@Migeeek]

it pushes clans to talk together = awesome / a really good new champion for free = awesome / doesn't take much time = awesome // Peoples abuse a bug and plarium does not give a shit about = i can't care anymore about it

[@michaellewis5551]

❤

[@kyledanchuk8913]

Can you share some feedback with plarium? As a clan leader, I have feedback for the first Siege. We were matched against a clan with more than double of our player power and we got absolutely decimated. It is what it is, for the first rounds match making can be an issue. But that's not the biggest issue, on defence every building that I have is destroyed. Then on offence, we only managed to win four fights. I won all of mine hoping to crack some hard teams so my clan could find matches more suitable to them. Only one more of my players managed to win one of theirs. So the real problem is that we won a total of 120 Florence. Now we have to Repair every single building that we have and it will take us literally months if not years to recover from this first bad matchup And that's just to make repairs that's got nothing to do with upgrading anything. The only way that we will have a shot to repair anything is if we get to fight a clan, that's similarly lower than us, and we absolutely decimate them, which I don't really want to do to anyone else either, because it takes the fun out of the mode In short I just think we're penalized way too harshly for having a bad matchup that's out of our control. We need a little Grace for these first couple of rounds, a way to repair and maintain if not upgrade, and I know I can’t be the only one in this position Thanks Ash, long time fan and viewer, keep up the good work

[@jtib5968]

I still have no idea how clan siege works...

[@dahammie8]

Ash, it's was a honor for me and our clan to be totally crushed in the Inaugural siege battle with you guys.

[@ASH-RAID]

Aye!! Sorry about the uneven matchup :/ Was cool to face off nonetheless.

[@MFourA1]

@@ASH-RAID our clan dont have much great members and i dont know will we gonna play siege

[@williamklingman809]

I’ll be quick. IT WASN’T WANTED OR NEEDED IN THE GAME.

[@KeithDCanada]

I'll copy the comment I made on Saph's 'Reward' video: "I knew this would be a shit show. I am Clan Leader and I told my clan from the moment they announced Siege, that I wasn't going to run it. Once it opened up, I told them feel free to set your defenses and we will treat things really casually. So far we have reached the second rewards for our tier, but I don't see things going much father. So, in effect this will be no different from the few pieces of gear we get on CvC tournaments. Meh. I'll drop some defenses in every two weeks, do 3 quick scroll fights, and claim my 1 or 2 free pieces of gear, but I ain't doing jack squat more than that, and I am recommending to my clan that they don't either." Most clans will never go above Tier 1 rewards, so it may as well just be a second CvC with a different gear set we collect very slowly. This is effectively a whale only feature.

[@J_Briz]

The matchmaking for this first Siege was a huge loss. We got mismatched against a clan and will get stomped. Their defenses are the equivalent of what one might find in plat arena on Sundays, and there's at least a third of our clan who will NOT get a single win because they don't have the account strength or champion diversity to compete at that level. And that's even with us trying to save the easiest defenses for them. Now with our stronghold destroyed, all of our florins will have to go towards maybe repairing one or two buildings, we'll be behind for future sieges. I WANT to be engaged with this game mode, but I'm afraid interest in this game mode with wane quickly in my clan if some of these issues are not fixed

[@annelies80]

Same with us

[@Razer5542]

Buildings not being automaticly repaired after EVERY single siege is just dumb, you lose 1 battle against a p2w clan and then you will lose all other siege battles as well due to not having towers up and running... The idea behind siege is okay, the practise of it in reality is terrible..

[@jameslawrence9865]

Did you guys face the issue that you were forced to fight tower 7 or 10 only as well. They were more powerful and put up ridiculous teams in towers 7, 10 and 8. No way to progress and were were curb stomped.

[@Whereawarewolf]

@@jameslawrence9865exactly the same for us. We won’t even get the first reward. Over a week of planning to get shafted by shitty matchmaking.

[@Dharin.]

Saph's last point about even matchups where no one wins is going to be the norm, and I pointed that out on his vid on this subject, I have no idea if he read it as it wasn't mentioned in his vid but did so here, but whatever, it's still true however. We are up against a significantly stronger team and they will get the victory. These first 2/3 Siege's is where you will win/lose then it's going to be stalemate with clans of even abilities and no one wins anything at all. The real prize is the winners box and we need a way other than trashing Siege's like many do in hydra clash/CvC just to get a win every 3/4 matchups. That will increase by 3/4x the length of time needed to get the champ. Saph said the range was somewhere between 8 months, if you win every match, and 40 years. Well now it's could be your great grand children getting the champ in about 120 years lol. Also I say those who set defences that never get attacked have done their job WELL. If someone sets a defence so strong that no one even attempts to take it, I say that you should get bonus rewards for the victory of defending your post unchallenged. Instead, you could end up without any gear either if you also lose your 3 attempts at attacking. It's a sh*t show as usual Paylarium... Sort it out fast, or turn it into Santranos 2.0 where only the a few actually care and the rest just take a few bits and forget it. Or have people scam the system, tank matches like hydra clash/CvC to get a winners box once every 2/3 months.

[@antonfidd3795]

Yup. If its not attacked...It has done its job. Great input all together. I 100% agree.

[@Dharin.]

@@antonfidd3795 Thanks :)

[@robertmutsch6718]

Our clan has mostly ignored siege, for two reasons. The prep phase is way too long, with nothing interesting at all. And we knew from the first minute of our match we would get smashed - our opponent is a top 20 ranked clan, and we were recently in tier 5 for CvC.

[@pondfrog777]

They should make it to were the leader and deputy's can change teams around, thats our main problem most don't wanna do discord so theres no communication and clanmates put awful teams in the stronghold and you never hear from them to take there team out

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks for tuning in ;)

[@byzantinerts6660]

Loved the idea, execution is terrible. Everything you guys pointed out is spot on. My clan got set up with a much more powerful opponent, so they're gutting us like a fish and then players on my clan are asking if we should attack, where, half the players are stuck at work. Players are talking in-game, on discord, or not at all. Getting information out of failed runs was difficult, and unless you've basically got someone who can sit there all day like a switchboard operator it's an impossible thing to coordinate.

[@josephnichols4129]

My biggest issue is that rewards need to be given to the entire clan. If someone isn't pulling their weight the clan will take care of it. We don't need Plarium to punish them just because they couldn't find anyone in their weight class to battle with. It's also not fair to clanmates who don't get a chance to battle because the other clan is already defeated. Rewards definitely need to be looked at!

[@Lagerta698]

My clan got placed with full 100 level clan players. Most of our strong players took down some but me and other lower levels are just standing and watching....

[@ASH-RAID]

Overall, think will the match be close or landslide for them?

[@Lagerta698]

@@ASH-RAID well we are already 3k points behind them 😃

[@deeman-zw7pp]

Same here, my CL is the only 100lv , couple 90+ and myself with the rest below 70lv. How tf they matched us against clan over 10 (100lv) with 20+ active members while we barely meet the minimum of 15 required🤨

[@joeld194]

Same happened for me. Most of the opponents were lvl 100, and they destroyed our stronghold in 2 days. We never stood a chance. I got 1 win attacking at least 😂

[@DemonicEmperor2023]

​@@Lagerta698 bruh I felt that

[@likelemmyidabasest3882]

That look Ash gave the camera the 90th time it crashed, feel for ya brother. Tiny bit funny tho.... x

[@ASH-RAID]

😅

[@JBS31996]

Crash is happening on mobile devices also, it keeps loading.. not allowing back(cancel) the process keeps loading for an infinite period of time. What I am doing is when it starts loading I clear the game and relaunch and go fast to battle.

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks for tuning in ;)

[@ScottJohnsonRCE]

Ash!!! Great video! As a guy who also cut his teeth in Clash Clan Wars, I trumpet your live viewing suggestion! What was equally useful/enjoyable? The REPLAY! I would love the ability to rewatch what happened when my set defenses are beaten. This would also help me to see if my arena presets worked correctly, since I imported all three of my teams over from arena preset squads. Great video!

[@GirlsLeadToMistakes]

That's a great idea! We should be able to replay the fight

[@sawyerslack9782]

It would be interesting to see your clanmates setups and how they tackle the fights live.

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks man! Glad you like it :)

[@rubyreign3759]

As CL I really wanted some sort of staging area where members could put there best teams and I could show them where to def or atk but everyone just shoved teams were they wanted and I had beg them to move

[@rycs16]

I created a discord specifically because of the new siege mechanic, and it's helped a lot in getting people to focus on targets and paths we want to take

[@GirlsLeadToMistakes]

That would be great! I totally agree

[@joecuddington3205]

And its great to have a CL that wants to do that work but there are some out there that wouldn't want all that. Which my clan we figured on putting the strongest teams in the stronghold and shrines and let the weaker/newer players fill in the other areas. It worked out pretty well for us but many of us are used to it from other games with a similar game mode, some of us are even clan mates in those other games as well lol.

[@kylepope7923]

I was hoping that every member's owned champions could be used for a collective team roster for the siege. Unrealistic, but I thought it would be cool for the little guys to use gnuts and teodors for sieges.

[@reddevils3537]

*their

[@SagaGuin]

So top 500 clan faces top 50, they get destroyed and couldn't win many battles due to the difference in money. Same thing happens to a different clan (lets say top400) vs over 1k. Performance wise, both losers (Top 500 and Over 1k) did the same points, so they can now face each other and one of them will again get obliterated. Also seems we get very little coins, so rebuilding those towers/strongholds, will be quite hard for a lot of clans. Also I do believe there should be minimal participation reward. Even CvC have that as long as you did certain points, you still get Rings. They should have that victory chest before the buff, with the 5-star, 1 fragment, etc Crappy rewards, but are at least something.

[@pablohammerly448]

Your assumption that rings are guaranteed during a CvC is invalid. My clan (I'm the CL) lost our last two CvCs badly and we got ZERO RINGS, even though we did the best we could! 😵‍💫

[@emh7545]

I saw one defense was eating up our attacks. I asked about speed of arbiter, stone skin, etc to get my best possible champs before the attack. Woke up next day and. Clan chat was wiped clean. lol I can’t get the info and even if I do it gets wiped from chat.

[@Saus3657]

Requiring a victory to get the rewards is pretty rough, a couple of my clan mates are missing out cause we wiped the opponent so quick before we realized

[@Whereawarewolf]

In my clan a handful of the strongest guys picked off the easiest wins so now everyone else is locked out because we can’t begin to compete against 500k+ teams and we’ve lost spectacularly. By over 4000 points so far.

[@skorpion7132]

@@Whereawarewolf Nice guys those "strong ones". picking off the easiest targets for a quick gain...

[@jakezepeda1267]

As long as Plarium insists on using account power for PvP matchmaking it will be garbage. It incentives only building a few champs to keep your total power low for better matches. Why do my faction wars and dungeon geared champs make me eligible to fight Johnny Ganknuts and his >400k team?

[@PandaPoe1]

If there's no defenses set in the mana shrines you dont get the option to rebattle it for the mana orbs. So we're missing the opportunity to get them because the other clan didnt have enough defenses they need to fix that

[@ASH-RAID]

I am sorry to hear that :/

[@stepanlodinsky4707]

We are quite a small clan I would still say, we only have 160K clan power and the core of the clan is about 8-10 people. The rest of the people do not communicate at all. In Siegy, we got a clan with a strength of 280K, but their clan was probably not organized and 10 people were not able to pass through Post 11 with the restriction. We're losing at this point and they've destroyed almost everything, but they have no castle attacks left, so our castle is alive. In contrast, we were able to destroy their castle, but the rest of the map is almost unconquered.

[@donjoe7529]

to address the issue of players being completely locked out of participating because of their time zone or something else causing them to join in later than their clanmates: the 2-day attacking phase should start out with each player having only 2 attack scrolls and 0 rematch scrolls, to limit every player's initial activity... 12 hours into the attacking phase, distribute 1 more attack scroll and 1 rematch scroll to every player... 24 hours into the attacking phase, distribute 2 more rematch scrolls to every player... finally, 36 hours into the attacking phase, distribute 2 more rematch scrolls to every player who has used up all of their scrolls and is totally empty (players who aren't completely empty but only have 1 rematch scroll left receive just 1 additional rematch scroll to top them up to 2 rematches, and players who are still sitting on 2 or 3 rematch scrolls do not receive any additional scrolls at hour 36)

[@user-qi3qe4vq8r]

Way to litte chickens to upgrade your hero's

[@sazuru5708]

We had the mismatch issue also. And on top of that I did manage to use my 3 battles because we didn't have a full group and the enemy had a couple of empty things. I was shocked to see that the 3 battles didn't refresh the next day. It just kind of felt like a button to have to click and then once it's clicked the entire mode may as well not be there. No incentive to do it when there's a mismatch too.

[@joedavis6524]

Another thing that would be great would be during the set up phase if your clan could test battle you defenses. And yeah, honestly how much data would it require to record the battle then run it through your processor to review the battles?

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks for watching ;)

[@bjbowman9065]

I live on the west coast (US), when I woke up for the first day of the preparation there was only ONE Tower that I could set a team for. Yesterday morning was the same, only one of their towers hadn't been taken. My personal opinion is that I don't have one, can't form an option on something that I haven't experienced!

[@GrannieAnnie1]

a battle log where u can see all the battles - yes! also, a log of who in your clan has set up teams and where are they posted. Going into each area is a total PIA. Another helpful item would be a list of the champs you've used and how many times you've used them. NubRaids was using a list to keep track - another PIA

[@ASH.B.]

I would absolutely love something like that that gives you a better idea to see who is really act up and who is participating in doing all their attacks sitting here trying to stroll through every single person on the list is a headache. They need to find a easier way for clam leaders to, monitor activities

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks for tuning in :)

[@jameseflores2011]

It is just another gimmick so the ptp players can beat up on the ftp players

[@ASH-RAID]

I can definitely understand how you see it that way.. tough to get around that in a game like this. Other than allowing for some sort of "level standard" or equal playing group for all players.. which I doubt Plarium will ever go for. Ultimately, the clan who spends the most likely will win the most... :(

[@Master_Twango]

We need more info available, like who has attack scrolls left, as well as a better way to communicate. This feels like it could've been fun, but ended up more frustrating instead.

[@RainingAnarchy]

This mode is a disaster in its current form. Clan leaders cannot boot teams from defense. Clan leaders cannot mark targets on the map for attack. The clan chat resets almost every day making conversations about strategy and no wasting attacks on outposts before capturing the Stronghold impossible to have.

[@ghostjohn2001]

As CL, it was highly annoying to have a couple members “be that guy”. A couple weaker players put their teams in key spots and go offline, don’t see messages telling them to move. My only option to move them is to boot them from clan. There should be a way for Clan leaders to remove them. Coordinating is a nightmare, lol…at least for the time being. So many people on or off at different times of the day. In a couple months after people get used to Siege, you’re going to see repeated attack and defense pattern. Meaning, it will be very predictable.

[@shenanigansinakilt4312]

one addition I'd love to see in game is a replay option in arena especially in defense log ( so people can see how they lost or won ) this could help people tweak their team or its Ai.

[@michaelfruetel273]

My clan seemed pretty positive on it. We ran into the issue where we used up our heavy hitters to early and got locked out by a single stronghold defense, but it was a fun experience.

[@Lord_Mangoat]

I'm not big on siege. Feels more complex than it should be, but also feels like it is lacking stuff as well. Personally, I like that each fight is basically just a classic arena fight, but arranged in a way like Cursed City. Haven't watched many of the videos covering siege, but I for one really like the feral set.

[@elegantaura9800]

I love the idea, but you guys hit such great points. It's so hard to coordinate defenses and attacks for 1 point, mainly cause clan chat is almost impossible to use. We have a discord, but some members aren't on there and it would be helpful to have an ingame chat, or a whisper mode, that you can use to talk directly to them. Some of our member just placed their 150K teams in the SH and it took almost the whole prep mode to get them to move them. Second, the rewards are crap, but more so if you lose. If you lose, you pretty much spent 16 days of activity to receive almost nothing. How about give the winner twice as much stuff than the loser? It just sucks to put some effort into it, and like yall said, have an unfortunate match-up against a bunch of Krakens, and receive very little from it...

[@jpnobo4217]

The aura and defense strats are somewhat fun. But its basically who has had the best primal shard/ remnant luck. To which i have had 0. The bugs in battle are the absolute worst. When u go press a3. Its clearly selected, and your champ a1's. You lose the fight. And there is no chance to make it up. Especially in a rebattle on mana shrine. Its like breaking up without even talking to the person.

[@UTtrance93]

We are pretty end game mid clan.... But our opponent was more mid game with almost halve our power, so for me the match making seems not fair at all. But i enjoyed how i could see who attacked me and see the battle log after all, but live combat with your team mates cheering you on is so much more fun! Get an alert or something get engaged with the event like oh no our magic tower is under attack and see us respond and watch the fight! That would be so amazing! Make it more real no click and wait what the results are :S

[@hannesgrove9372]

I'm in Africa.. my whole clan is in Europe and UK... I won one battle and only occupied 2 post's because it was empty.. so when I woke up the other battles were won and those which I could beat were already taken. I am not an arena type of player. So I have to change my gear to compete. And then you can't battle certain towers without occupied the previous post. And we don't have enough members even to get to the main building. It's confusing...

[@brent8783]

At 4:53, as for any intent by Plarium to design the system to prevent players from benefiting from the clan's effort, set a general threshold for participation and let clans manage their clans. Even if there is no minimum participation threshold, this is a competitive clan play mode. If someone is sitting back, contributing nothing, and getting rewarded, a clan will almost always replace them. If they are contributing to the clan in some other significant way, such that the clan agrees they should be there, despite not participating in clan siege, then that's OK as well. That said, I think there should be a minimum threshold to prevent clan owners from bringing in alt or carry accounts.

[@robertpease9834]

FIASCO comes to mind. Our clan is ranked

[@martinhall4183]

For the attacking they should just give everybody 2 attacks on day one and the third on the second day so everybody gets a chance before everything gets destroyed .

[@mathewyerry2072]

I used to play a game, where our discord and our leadership ( with myself included) , did things the way staff is describing with spreadsheets and coordination and chats, and all that. Nobody on the average player level feels that the rewards for these game mode is worth putting in that much effort, because even if you win for a month or two, it doesn’t change the game at all. Spenders will always have better gear, you still get five star gear from some modes, clan versus clan is a joke, nobody’s gonna be excited about this long-term if they don’t start putting in some actual rewards. Getting one champion with an AOE decrease attack doesn’t excite the average player.

[@dumdumtren4668]

I dont know if its a garbage content since im just new and a free to play .. im just at 45 days of my playing raid..im just doing my daily quest and just empty my energy then comeback later😆😆😆😆 This siege content just remind me of Clash of clans😆😆...

[@TheMissingPluto]

It's super punishing for new and weaker players unfortunately, who are told to sit out so stronger players/teams can secure the win. It also doesnt help that some of our clan members are on opposite coasts or in different countries entirely, so they can clear content before some people get a chance (thanks for mentioning it, saph ❤) It's also laggy as hell for me too. The matchmaking was bad, we got matched up with a clan 4 levels below us and had no shot.

[@jeremyscottgraham]

Here’s my big idea to mix up the format… each players adds 4x dps 6x support to a clan defense pool of champions. And then each defense post gets a random 5group of 2dps 3support. As if these heroes were walking around town not expecting an attack. THEN attackers can only bring 4 heroes, so it’s a 4-on-5 battle, BUT they can’t see what 5 heroes they are facing until they attack. ALSO, I think that if a hero is defending, then they should not be out attacking. Either they defend or our they go out for attack. And if they get defeated in battle then that’s it, no more use, they go home sick. Lastly, you could then get rewards for attacks and rewards for defends, plus an overall victory reward. A clan could opt not to attack. They could just load up defense and stay home if they wanted for a smaller reward. To me, this would be more enjoyable than just moving my arena teams to a new game window and doing the same thing I do in arena. Live arena, and 3v3. Why copy/paste when there are so many more creative ways to set this game up!

[@jeremyscottgraham]

Idea 1. After an attacking team loses, then the defense team would be revealed. Just as it would in reality, if your neighboring squad came back home detailing their loss.

[@jeremyscottgraham]

Idea 2: why not let 2 players attack a defense together if it can’t be beaten. It will cost 2 attack vouchers, but then it allows teams to make a bit more progress.

[@jeremyscottgraham]

Idea 3: what if after the defending clan added their champ pool, you then faced a wave-based siege. You fight 5-hero teams generated randomly from the def pool, but after every win, then next 5-man team gets an empowerment of like +5 speed, 10%def,hp,atk and 20acc res. And you just keep fighting waves until you fail, getting points for however long you last. This could even be the format for the stronghold. Like an empowered “last stand”

[@WaylanderWOR]

Our clan have loved it, good communication and planned attacks

[@ASH-RAID]

Awesome to hear that! I think the game mode has a lot of promise.

[@Forpizza]

My clan also loved it had no problems. Might be cuz we won and used discord but not sure why no one can be content and happy. Raid is trying hard and working to make the game enjoyable for us can’t bash them for everything.

[@zendr822]

@@Forpizza Bro, have you even watched the video?

[@WaylanderWOR]

​@ASH-RAID absolutely, I agree with some of the issues. They definitely need to add a way to see how many attacks your clan has used and the enemy. They need to change how to win rewards I agree with that, but for the best part 1st implementation I thought was great

[@Forpizza]

@@zendr822I did bro. Just confused why people were upset about siege. They buffed rewards and our working on player retention. Yes they can make improvements but it’s a new mode everyone is learning.

[@user-rd2wj9lr8j]

What do you guys think about some kind of cooperative mode? This is still just another "place your champions in a roster, and someone comes along to fight them, with flavors of arena" , and live arena is versus. What if there was oh, say a 2 + 2 boss, or wave survival with 2 different players able to use 2 champs each. One could be focused on dmg, the other support, or some variation. Would be nice if clan focused, so we team up during certain times of the day, kind of like queeing for live arena, and then we can take on whatever the content is. It would encourage stronger communication and cooperation within the clans, especially motivating players to share strategies. They could even release champions focused around this type of mode, with special abilities when used on another teammate, or something. Increase champion chasing, and player retention.

[@strategywizard]

I really enjoyed it (and am still enjoying it), even though I'm in a clan of mostly Russian speaking players. They invited me a while back, and I stayed because they beat UNM Clan Boss every day, and they have helped me get extra Hydra Chests, etc. In spite of literally no understandable communication, I've had a good time. Won 2 of my main battles, lost 1. Won two of my 3 re-battles in a shrine. Still waiting to see if more of those open up before this is over. We are winning, but it's still up in the air at this point from what I can tell. But it's been a blast to me even without clan communication, lol.

[@phoenixducharme5209]

i actually don't like pvp and only do it to improve my pve stats, so was nervous and unenthused about siege. my clan however was psyched so out of my ongoing loyalty to them, i got into it and worked really hard. i'm even proud to say that i beat a cople of the enempy defenses :) what i'm most proud of, which i will say before we hear the final results, is how my clan handled themselves. in spite of the bizarre setup of trying to communicate and coordinate with all of our members, some of whom couldn't even access Discord sometimes, forcing us to rely on the NOT so reliable clan chat which erases all messages after each server update, and the REALLY bad mismatch - our rank 316 clan vrs their rank 32 - my clan never fought. in fact, there were a lot of lols in the comments that i read, which made me feel better every time i looked for a defense and realized i couldn't use my last attack scrolls. like my clan leader said, "let's hope next siege is better". rock on Vangard of Venus clan! :)

[@tunnyfa]

I think it would be cool, during the prep phase, to be able to test battle you clans defenses. No rewards or attempt flags. Just for fun and maybe with a testing log to see how other clan members do against the defense. Would give something fun to do during the week long prep phase.

[@autopsy181]

We enjoyed our first siege as a clan and we got the W with 10 less players than our competitor. Siege required a lot of communication which everyone came through on.

[@jeremyk3604]

I love it we won lol. Actually had a blast everyone on planning hey who you got can you take this squad? Then hey I lost they went first what's your speeds. Stone skin? Okay got ya let's go. What's shortest route? It was fun if your clan is active.

[@Whereawarewolf]

No you mean it’s fun if your clan won. The vast majority of clans were horribly mismatched. All the planning on earth won’t help if you get matched against a clan with tons of platinum level team.

[@SpikeJackson-rg7gv]

It was pretty much the same for us but we were the way stronger clan, wiped them without a loss and youre still left thinking all that time preparing for THAT. Were Tier 1 so rewards are still terrible too.​@Whereawarewolf

[@MHGFTW]

I like the concept of the gamemode. I like how the entire clan came together and we all tried our best. I think I would have enjoyed it if I got something for spending my entire evening strategising with my clan. I lost my attacks and defences. I get nothing. I called out the speeds, stoneskins and other stuff in discord to help someone else beat it. I feel like I contributed something at least. My clan even let me try for the easier posts. It's summer vacation now, so I don't mind wasting my evening like this, but to get nothing...

[@ASH-RAID]

I am sorry to to hear that :(

[@douglasarbuckle209]

Knight Castle ~ Clan Leader Sir Jarbuckle Clan Unity is a kinda requirement for this mode. Definitely not for beginners

[@worldcollab9721]

Hey guys from a lower level clan perspective other than communication this is a fun addition to the game. Rewards will get fixed in time. Not being able to see the map and the enemy defenses is the way it should be. Just wanted to post a positive to all the drama.

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks man!

[@Happytremereinc]

I want yall to do another collab like this in 1 month so get your feelings on the 3 that yall experience.

[@ASH-RAID]

Can definitely do that. I hope some of these issues will be addressed as I think the game mode really does have some promise.

[@Happytremereinc]

@ASH-RAID I agree this constant stall out when trying to do anything was killing me yesterday. The dragon tourney was a pain having to hit retry so many times.

[@johnriverstone]

i'm in a one bronze star clan against one with three bronze stars, they need to figure out the match making system, yeah, three attack scrolls is petty boring you can only really fight for one day, i'd love to see the clan leader be able to assign different positions to different people, however i haven't run into any bugs, glitches, etc etc, beyond that clan siege is really really fun it shows promise for the future

[@nilocdragon001]

As one of the lower power member of my clan, I did felt like my attacks where a waste. i used all my attacks and won none.. so even tho i tried my best i feel like reward/participation will not be match. I won a defence since I had more "control" over the restriction I could place. I do hope to have a rework on what we need to achieve for rewards and better information. Still unsure if arena aura works or not

[@arclite95]

20 minutes of ASH getting pissed about the game crashing XD lmfao

[@ASH-RAID]

😅

[@Dunkirk101]

I enjoyed it, but the the thing that bothers me the most is the repair costs. You don’t get nearly enough florins and mana orbs in order to even repair, let alone try and upgrade buildings.

[@sawyerslack9782]

I am in a small clan with friends and family only. Not enough players for clan stuff and don't care for it anyway. It Eriks me to have the red dot notifications so i click to get rid of them but Clan Wars pops up a red dot Everytime i log in and I can't play the game mode so there's no way to get rid of it. I know this is not a that big of a deal but its a thing that bothers me.

[@grinchkd]

My calm has loved it we even made some memorable moments already with unbeatable teams holding our stringhold and crazy attacks

[@ASH-RAID]

Love to hear that!

[@dorintamas7286]

I like it the way it is. The only improvement needed is to make it more.. active over the time of the siege. Same as with CVC wih 2 days.

[@ASH.B.]

I believe that the startup time for siege is a little ridiculous. They need to decrease the time another thing is I would like to see them add a feature that gives clan leaders the opportunity and privilege to reward their members. I feel that three rewards per week should be suitable. That way we can show our top players appreciation so for those who hit first place in the CVC or siege or whatever I think three rewards per week for clan leaders to reward Their players will help encourage people to be more active and to remain in the clan. I also think it would be nice to have clan leaders rewarded for being clan leaders, putting in the work to orchestrate these battles for siege sometimes could be time consuming. I feel that there is no rewards for clan leaders or special privileges other than giving titles. Please bring up them, upgrading the marketplace again. I would like for them to also increase the bars that you receive for Arena, completing the missions and upgrading the affinities are a headache. The great hall is a extremely time-consuming task. One last thing I would really like it if they add a nudge button so for players who have not been active for like 2 to 3 days, we could nudge them and remind them to return to the game to do their part. I think that will help prevent players from being in clans and not being active for weeks or months at a time, although deleting them obviously easier but give them a nudge I think will help.

[@Goliath_mindset]

As clan leader this system communicationwise and the gui is a cluster. I could not have cared less to add another pvp mode, and was expecting it to go off like a wet fart, but hey I'm glad they actually responded to the rewards. Looking forward to the clan ignoring this mode in future weeks ahead.

[@danielsierra7929]

My clan have been weeks preparing for this new content, all only to be mached against a top 100 clan, total failure, now we are just farmable material for whale clan to feast.

[@ASH-RAID]

ughhh, I've seen some clans on your side and on the opposite side of the coin (undermatched). Feel for you. Really ruins the new mode, especially since you put time prepping. That said, please follow up if the matchups get progressively better as time goes on..

[@Mr1Anvil1]

My clan has enjoyed the game mode. Our major concern was time commitment and that turned out to be a non issue. We are competent casual spend tier5: We will up our coordination next go but even the doubters enjoyed this siege: I'd love to be able to click a battle report and watch the fights of my clanmates

[@ASH-RAID]

Glad you like it :)

[@GirlsLeadToMistakes]

My clan actually did really well with coordination, we have a few very strong endgame players, they coordinated us, and then most of the rest are midgame to endgame, nothing crazy. So they assessed the situation, figured out the fastest way to the Stronghold, told us, for example, to beat team X we need fast bomb team. And then someone who thinks they can do it wrote Ok I'll try, people were cheering. If someone loses or the team seems tricky, we actually wrote stuff in the chat, for example duchess Stone Skin, Armanz speed over 360. The strong players let us try, guided us and held their attacks for the strongest Stronghold teams. There was a team in a strategically placed Defense Tower that 2 or 3 of us tried a few times to beat and couldn't, so one of the big guys stepped in, even though he had planned to save his attacks. The siege itself was a bit hard to understand, I didn't know where we stood, I still don't know if we are going to get anything (we're losing). I had thought if you use a retry scroll, you can try on any team, but you actually retry only on that team that you couldn't beat. So I think it's pretty useless. Especially if you can use a champion max 2 times. After 3 retry scrolls and 2 other fights I had nobody that good in my roster to actually beat that team. I wish I could've had a choice to fight another team I thought I could beat instead. Overall, I enjoyed the tactical part a lot, I enjoyed cheering on my clanmates, I had fun trying to figure out who I could safely take out. I think they need to improve rewards to include other rewards for outside this game mode and maybe the retry scroll should restore you an atk scroll or let you choose, retry this battle or try another one? I think that would be much better. It was interesting to see how different it is from other modes, I am not arena focused at all, I am working on PVE and I found it hard to compete honestly. It would be amazing if we could show a few teams and our clan leader and deputies would assign us where to guard and where to attack. Thank you Ash and Saph for this amazing video, we're always happy to hear your opinions! ❤

[@ASH-RAID]

Happy you enjoyed it :)

[@mpiloz8016]

I figured there'd probably be no points in taking empty towers, so I took 2 of them, then saved my last attack for an occupied tower. save some points for the rest of the clan etc.

[@aaronschmitt3159]

Being Clan Leader is pretty confusing and overwhelming. The communication clan chat makes it so hard but also almost ties me to the game for multiple hours. Even when half the clan is on discord its still very hard to get organized. We have inactive players so we won't defeat the stronghold despite 20 members being very active. So out clan is already starting to bow out of this content. The is zero interest for this content if you don't have a reasonable chance to get the chest. If everything remains the same and 5-10 members don't actively engage then our chance to get a chest is pretty slim. I suspect those who are really into this mode will leave or I will have to boot inactives and try and fill spots but as a top 1k clan that will be tough. Either way my first impression is that my clan is already looking to be far more passive with this game mode and sees it as undesirable content if they are never going to get a chest. I will say the clan moral is very very low right now. And as a clan leader my interest in this game mode and structure is minimal at best.

[@newmanchris]

I lost 2 attack banners from my game crashing, no recoup from support. We are treating the first few sieges as a learning experience also. As a clan leader, I'd like to be able to swap tower defense between clan mates.

[@jerryfox143]

love th Saph collabs

[@ShayNashiv]

Great review guys, I love the idea of battle log and view them live. What is missing imo is the ability in preparation mode to have the ability to change players locations, swap positions as much as needed until starting time

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks man! Glad you like it ;)

[@Sevenfiveths]

Ash, I've been watching you since clash royal. I was matched against your clan in siege, it was a shock to be paired against your clan! Thanks for continuing to make content and entertaining the player base!

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks for watching ;)

[@maxmiller4332]

We are rank 8xx clan going against rank 27...yeah, getting demolished.

[@KresnikOSRS]

Leaving my comment that I put on Nub's video here as well for my input: I'm overall fairly neutral about this update. I like that it's capped at 3 battles/3 rematches per Siege so it's not too time intensive (depending how much you strategize), and the strategy aspect of the matchups are intriguing and it'll be interesting to see how the florians and stronghold upgrades work over time. On the other hand the matchmaking feature is horrible in it's current state and needs to be tweaked (perhaps it'll naturally get better after a few sieges once matchup data is collected). It seems like most people had very lopsided matches this week. My clan grabbed the short straw so we had to face a lvl 19 clan while we are lvl 15 and they have over double our total power. I know power is a imperfect measure but I mean double is pretty telling that we didn't get an appropriate matchup. I also hate how participation is calculated from a US player perspective. Unless they rotate the start times every other Siege, the non-European player base will always have a disadvantage for getting their minimum activity threshold and could miss out on rewards simply cause they live in the wrong time zone.

[@darkbeach72]

The lack of a battle log is unforgiveable. That was the first thing I wanted to see, how could they have missed this?

[@tintedmosaic4988]

I have 0 faith that Plarium will quickly implement good QoL improvements to this mode. I suspect it will take 6+ months for them to address issues, and by that time people will have already stopped caring. They still havent even addressed hydra clash despite announcements

[@SeleneHammer-pn8hr]

Siege has made me realize I need a new clan. Most of my clan couldn't even open up to the stronghold I have to open up the way but by the time we get there I'm out of scrolls and no one else has any left either lol.

[@solonomad4005]

Not enjoying. On the contrary-hate it. I spend 2 weeks setting defense teams to be thrown to a monster teams that whooped me and most of my clan like a blind kitten. I could not win even once. I waited whole 2 weeks for this? 3 pointless fights and now 2 weeks to wait for more tokens? Screw that. I will never get Lamasu or other rewards that way.

[@Whereawarewolf]

Yup. I won one, lost two and have no interest in trying again. Every enemy team was 500k+. Our fortress was wiped in less than an hour. Screw that.

[@ASH-RAID]

Sorry to hear that :/

[@solonomad4005]

@@Whereawarewolf hope that clan war was a beta test and Plarium will see the major issues and will fix them. Aspecially how long it will take and matchmaking.Its too damn long and too short same time. Wait 2 weeks to hit a 3 times and then wait again for 2 weeks-is this a joke? At least set 3 rounds arena and if you lose-you lose.And like a normal clan war once in 2 weeks week long.

[@timturner5685]

It's depends really, if the matchups were bases on power, some teams might have a higher power then their opponents but still get smashed by them

[@jonnywunder]

My Clan of 55 million power got matched against a Clan with 600 million power. Great matchup, Payrium.

[@justina2353]

Not gonna lie I had a lot of fun with my clan today during this siege. But I do agree they need to add replays or something, also agree everyone should get rewards for setting a defense. But over I like it!

[@jimbalsoverable]

not enough florins to repair building, because we lost poorly...not enough parcipitation in the siege...people say there is not enough rewards to warrant the time to play it...our clan seems to be only focused on Clan Boss, and Hydra...tough start to playing siege

[@mickeyd4038]

Lemme start by saying this was a massive undertaking on the part of Plarium. I applaud them for the attempt. IF they are aggressive in tweaking/fixing/addressing concerns & problems, I am absolutely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt while they work on it. Here are my concerns: (1) For my clans (plural) there was little or no coordination which made this a more than just a little bit of a flusterduck. (2) There is no in-game place or tools for facilitating in-game coordination (see item 1 above) (3) Whatever Plarium did to explain this game mode to the players, it was not nearly enough. They needed an order of magnitude more/better communication. (4) The game mode is not user-friendly or intuitive. I did two battles....and I have no idea if there was any benefit to my clan from my two wins. Plarium should collect feedback from a wide variety of players (including those who chose not to participate & why) at all levels of the game, put the siege on the back-burner for a month or two while they analyze the feedback and implement changes, then bring out the new, improved version along with vastly enhanced explanations. Then they should promise to repeat that process until they get it right. In my feeble opinion, this could ultimately be the best thing in the game if Plarium relentlessly improves on the initial iteration ...or the thing that drives the game over the cliff.

[@19Creature94]

For us it worked quite well. We are a top 800 clan and our opponent was evenly matched to us. We had 2 people just throwing away their attack scrolls and they will leave with nothing, but tbh that's their mistake for going all in within first hour. It was a tight race to the stronghold where everyone had to do their part, even the not pvp-focused players, but their did their share on easier posts. I LOVE the Manashrine rebattle system, makes you build teams out of unusual champs. (I used Doompriest for aura and won cuz of it) The only thing that still feels lacking are the rewards, as Tier 5 clan those 6* legendary pieces are nice, but we likely wont get the 4th chest, they should lower the points for that.

[@ASH-RAID]

Really appreciate this feedback! Definitely mixed bag in the comments so far. I feel like, in seeing some of the positive experiences like yours, there is definitely some promise for the future of this game mode. When things actually work, it seems like an enjoyable activity the clan can particiapte in together.

[@SurfStr0ng]

Seige is basically Arena Defense, it’s nothing new. It’s Arena. And we can only attack twice and defend two twice? Why?

[@ASH.B.]

oh Ash, would you please make more videos about Hydro and clam balls and how to set up team set up as far as turning some moves off what moves are important for what champions and why it is important to deactivate certain moves. Please I have yet to master that I try so hard to set up my Hydro team, but I am not really good at doing the team set up

[@garys2149]

Our clan had a great siege. My kraken killer team kept our strong hold alive (14 wins), our 3 defense towers burned down most of our competitors teams. We got some killer gear for barely any effort. Way better prizes than cvc for the amount of effort. People that are complaining mustn't have planned very well. As far as match making, its to easy to manipulate by having a few low level players (to bad for the kraken super teams that clean house in cvc and hydra clash) to lower the overall power level.

[@deflectier6333]

what about the fact that you cant decide a path u wana go unless you initiate an atk? so viewing everything is locked. is that not a bad thing?

[@Lawliet734]

On the first day of the siege, the game was crashing consistently like it couldn't communicate with the server.

[@JayG87]

I got a feral helmet that triple rolled speed. The clan we fought, their lowest player power was higher than our top pp member. Good match up there platinum 🤣

[@tyweisenburger8480]

I’m lucky I won a defensive battle. I was busy Tuesday and my clan cleaned the whole board and I got 0 attacks in lol Bring the Saph/Ash daily colab to RAID!

[@loganwilcox4037]

It's kind of hard to take what has basically been a single player game for the last 4 years and expect people to start strategizing & communicating on a regular basis. One of the reasons I play Raid is because I have real responsibilities in my life. I've fallen off a good bit because there is just sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much crap you have to do every single day in-game. Which lead to me leaving my clan because I couldn't keep up. Now I'm in a clan that is more relaxed, but we're not competitive. So a new game mode that requires more of my time is laughable.

[@williambo6682]

I've said for years, skirmish arena with your clan mates should be a thing to get info and critiques on your teams

[@Emmycordelia]

I experienced game freezing right when it opened up and with initial attacks. I really like the concept however it was a bit of a letdown as I assumed it would be more challenging or more back and forth play as opposed to we attack, we conquer, and there’s nothing anyone can do to make a comeback. Getting paired with a team of much lesser stature made this not that enjoyable and I had high hopes this would be more strategy involved vs power will always win.

[@ASH-RAID]

Thanks for tuning in ;)

[@robertpease9834]

What about having the Arena only blessings working in Clan Siege. I think that could definitely make it more interesting.

[@austin2205]

Clan leader/deputy should be able to shift teams around into different defense towers etc. Instead of asking member to move team. And a pot where florins can be donated that clan leader can use in any tower.

[@Steel_Saint]

We're an unranked clan, got an easy matchup. But I really enjoyed it! I'm lower in my clan by player power and overall account progression, but I've been playing strategy games nearly my whole life, so this was really exciting! My clan leader put me in charge of making the plan, and it went really well. I think some of our people did miss out on an opportunity to participate because of timezone differences, but overall, I think we were able to give players of every ability level a chance to participate.

[@ASH-RAID]

Glad to hear that :)