[4.7] There's more than one Loom of Fate - Genshin Impact Theory

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Caribert's explanation of the Loom of Fate really helps fill in the blanks for a lot of little things throughout the game. It feels kinda obvious in hindsight and boy, is this discovery satisfying!
...Providing my hypothesis is correct, of course. This is a theory, after all.
*TIMESTAMPS*
00:00 Introduction
00:54 Ley Lines
05:40 "Fate"
09:15 Prototypes
15:10 Eye "seed" you
*SPOILER WARNINGS*
- Archon Quest Bedtime Story
- Archon Quest Chapter 4
- Nahida Story Quest 2
- Ei Story Quest 2
- Golden Slumber World Quest
- Remuria World Quest
- Narzissenkreuz World Quest
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[@Ashikai]

**NOTES & CORRECTIONS** - none (yet)

[@LeafletsReality]

queen

[@kadatheklund2904]

A note: Why the stars hold your destiny? They are a reflection of ley lines. But you know what reflects the sky? Water. So the sky is fake, the world is probably inverted.... seems sus. And maybe Wanderer was a test for Dottore?

[@generalkweizr7091]

Could you do wuthering waves lore?

[@reveriesend4668]

@@kadatheklund2904 to quote Nahida: "If the stars dictate destiny, then do you think that destiny is something that is unchanging and always follows predicted outcomes?" and the Traveler answered: "If that were so... Rtawahist would have achieved one of their ultimate goals." So it's not as straightforward as the stars "holding your destiny". If the firmament just reflects the flow of the leylines, then ultimately the decision of destiny was made on the leylines. The parts of a leyline can be classified into 2: 1) the actual "river path" of a leyline, where elemental energies flow. 2) the "water" of the leylines, which are elemental energies which are memories. In other words: destiny itself is made by the flow of memories. thus, those who produces memories hold the real control over destiny, be it in a small or big way. and who produces memory? The ones that are experiencing everything, no? ps.: and water reflects the stars. Such is the principle behind Mona's hydromancy. She's practically reading the "routes of the leyline river" via reading the reflection of its inverted reflection (which are the stars).

[@kubapa0980]

@@generalkweizr7091 She stated on stream that for now there are no plans on making WuWa lore videos

[@N4N1D34D]

I'm ready for another episode of "i honestly didn't understand how did you get there, how to understand it, BUT DAMN YOUR THEORY MAKES SO MUCH SENSE!"

[@jspiral360]

Logic creativity? =Theory

[@jspiral360]

With a little research to fill in the gaps after you write down your theory to perfect it an if you use ai is faster

[@No.Google.I.dont.like.handles]

While listen to this theory, I kept thinking about the description for the caribert quest. "This world is filled with those who would oppose fate, while the one who understands fate smiles faintly down upon them. If the one who weaves fate may be born here, then let the one who witnesses fate see it all."

[@nicolas._.2294]

Where did you get this from???

[@No.Google.I.dont.like.handles]

@@nicolas._.2294 check the wiki. Should be at the top of the page under the Caribert quest

[@MiyuKawasaki]

​@@nicolas._.2294Event tab when 3.5 came out

[@davidjohnson8273]

Yeah it specifically says there's only one Loom of Fate. Besides which none of the examples suggested by Ashikai as Looms of Fate (besides Irminsul of course) actually change fate. René doesn't, Deshret doesn't, Remus doesn't, the Akasha doesn't, the Bottleland thing doesn't, and Sacred Sakura is just the Irminsul tree again. None of them add memories either. Certainly not as weakly as Caribert does.

[@Ashikai]

​@@davidjohnson8273 I see you missed the point. Which is fine. Judging by your reddit post, you don't subscribe to the idea that Irminsul is only editing memories but is instead editing time itself, so we will naturally have conflicting opinions on the subject. That's totally fine. But I feel like you've misinterpreted many of the things I've said which was perhaps my fault for not being as clear as I could be, but if you would humor me for a minute, I'd like to at least clarify a few points. I don't particularly care about whether or not someone disagrees with me, but I do want to make sure that those disagreements are based on the initial intent rather than an interpretation, especially a biased one. When I say there are "multiple looms of fate," what I mean is "there have been multiple attempts at creating looms of fate." Perhaps only Caribert's will be truly successful, but thematically, mechanically, the examples provided in the video are the ATTEMPTS at making a Loom. They weren't complete, and therefore, obviously, did not manage to change fate. That was kind of the point. Do you expect every inventor to achieve a perfect prototype the first time? Absolutely not. There will obviously be a fair bit of variation in each attempt. To me, there's a pattern. If there isn't one for you, that's ok. You also seem to be quite hung up on the whole "the loom will gain three abilities: memory creation, alteration and deletion" thing while missing the main point which was that a completed loom of fate operates at a different SCALE. This is partly my fault as I probably did not word this as well as I could have, so allow me to clarify: Caribert's incomplete loom of fate can only create/insert memories and only at a small scale - a few people at a time in a village. But the argument was that once his loom was completed, he would gain the other two abilities while changing the scale of the ability from that of a few individuals, to that of the planet. I didn't mean to suggest it would be a gradual thing. If he is to become a new Irminsul-type entity, then he HAS to obtain those abilities because Irminsul has them. That's all I really wanted to clear up. I don't expect to have changed your mind, as that wasn't the goal, and I don't intend to try and refute your arguments because that's not really what theorizing is about. I like exploring possibilities, no matter how likely or unlikely they may be. It's a bit boring if everyone agrees on everything. Happy theorizing~

[@renapundarika2135]

If we're going to be a new irminsul tree I will make sure to drop DEF artifacts for y'all. Gotta share my memories am I right.

[@mekinot]

Receiving DEF artifacts is OUR fate.

[@WhiteKoneko]

I'll drop all the HP hats then. 😂

[@davidjohnson8273]

The dropped artifacts retain the "memory" of the prior samsara anyway, disproving the idea that you change the memory in Irminsul when you make a shift.

[@jam6079]

@@WhiteKonekoor the healing bonus circlet with double crit rate and dmg 😢

[@creativemind2942]

I need more EM artifacts!!

[@ChimiChi1989]

I think this quest explains how the abyss sibling isn’t a descender. I think it has been completed and they learned to use it. And the abyss sibling inserted themselves into teyvat

[@novalynn3562]

You could say they're... INTeyvat now, huh?

[@flirtgguk]

@@novalynn3562 cyno please stop

[@ChimiChi1989]

@@novalynn3562 Screaming!!!! 😂

[@patrickpiguing3353]

Well all constellations for the Traveller do start with "Memory"...

[@beashemmad.sayson545]

right???? Does this mean we’re slowly becoming integrated in the leylines?

[@hmmmooops]

oh

[@popcorn520]

@@beashemmad.sayson545 and the fact that our sibling has their memories recorded in the irminsul only after traveling through teyvat??????

[@KayleeDavisBlueBox]

what i took away from all that is that textile workers are so damn underappreciated. they're capable of changing fate! even if the fate is just cold feet and hands. traveler is apparently gonna provide socks and mittens for everyone in teyvat, which - i cannot think of a nobler pursuit

[@beashemmad.sayson545]

Lmaooo

[@nde7816]

😭😭😭

[@pansytea3581]

as a textile design student i appreciate that 🧶

[@lexi-mr9mz]

Kaeya as a narrator for this video, instead of Yanfei, is really on point

[@Rhaphidophile]

Makoto turning into its own memory tree made me realize, each archon might have already done something that is against Celestia. Focalors freed herself and her people from the curse, Zhongli giving up his authority and letting humans rule his nation, Makoto turning into a pseudo Irminsul.

[@anime-lk8kq]

And Nahida giving up her gnosis

[@soemarnosoemarno2822]

What about venti?

[@antelopeishere]

@@soemarnosoemarno2822 giving anemo powers to a dragon (Dvalin)???

[@anime-lk8kq]

​@@antelopeishereand maybe being absent for a long time

[@antelopeishere]

@@anime-lk8kq nahida is absent too for 500 years. if we go by that logic, Focalor is absent too.

[@motemo8413]

great theory! i have 2 things to add 1. you did mention tree thingy in Bottleland but i want to say that there was also a tree in Caribert's consciousness. 2. i think the reason why Abyss twin can't use loom of fate to its full potential is because they are not a Descender, Traveler can do it because Traveler is a Descender that's why Remus couldn't change fate, he created his own pen(Phobos) to write new fate but he couldn't reweave existing fate(Irimnsul's ley lines) because he wasn't a Descender Rene, instead of creating his own fate, was trying to become a Descender type being to change existing(Irminsul's) fate instead i agree with your Makoto point, she literally says that Inazuma will be free from Heavenly Principles right after Ei plants Sacred Sakura it's also interesting to point out Arlecchino's ability to affect memories(Irminsul memories), like delete them and also manifest them(those smol ghost thingies and straight up little Clervie), her being an "artificial Descender" theory has more things supporting it now PS: what's really cool is that we have seen so many attempts to either create new fate or becoming a Descender-type being to change existing fate but our lady Focalors here said "fuck all that" and instead of writing(weaving) her own fate or rewriting(reweaving) existing fate, she decided to become the "Director" of the story and just change the understanding/interpretation of the said script, as she had the creative liberty to do so as the Director, hence her tricking/deceiving fate. it's a pretty unique approach.

[@shiritsuskorone405]

so that is why Furina has a theater theme and why she choses to be a director now as freed human, just like her archon-self, huh (like she had to play the actor before that and well it gave her understandable trauma) very nice observation!

[@motemo8413]

@@shiritsuskorone405 yup, she became a director after her story quest, just like Focalors funny thing is that the reason she decided to direct the two musketeers in 4.3 event is because Xavier offered her the creative liberty in directing the story.

[@beashemmad.sayson545]

Focalors W fr

[@katarinakurko9209]

Thats why fontaine archon quest will always be my favorite quest in the whole game.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

I think it's not that Abyss twin can't use the loom of fate. It's that loom of fate's true full potential is immense, and any use the Abyss Twin can think of, is like using a cannon to hit small birds.

[@Mixtliredwolf]

Something came to my mind while you were talking about the Statues of the Seven. What if, capturing the travelers was a plan from Heavenly Principles for them to do the dirty work, collecting the oculus and thus recovering Celestia's powers? And that would be why there is always an oculi left. As the twin of the abyss failed in this mission (since she abandoned the journey) the Heavenly Principles resorted to plan B, the other traveler. And send Paimon to secure that, this time, he follows the jorney to the end. In the end, we are the ones who will awaken the Celestial Principles, just because we are running after primogems, haha!

[@nde7816]

Lmao this is kind of an unserious theory but still kinda makes sense to some extent 😂

[@stellarmelody2784]

Or here's here is the big thing were going to fight against Corruption Celestia since maybe teyvet is still full of forbidden knowledge or the corruption effected we will bring the curse to cure all of the corruption and embrace the light kill the corruption of the heavenly principles become the Irminsul and bring new life

[@ChimiChi1989]

Video premieres in 16 hours and I am shaking. To say I’ve been waiting for this is understatement

[@UNKNOWN_ENTITY61]

real. always be excited 4 an ashikai related thing

[@TheLogicMouse]

Maybe this is a terribly obvious connection to draw, but as you were talking about the statues of the seven and teleport waypoints being connected to Irmensul and its leylines, it made me think that the traveler going around the world activating all of them is a process of us connecting ourselves to all these focal points of the leylines, and therefore Irmensul, so then you have to wonder what happens when we've connected to every point on the map? When we light up the entire map, perhaps we will have integrated ourselves so completely with Irmensul that we'll be able to take it over. Potentially no time shenanigans involved

[@clairehuang136]

BABE WAKE UP NEW ASHIKAI VIDEO PREMIERING IN LESS THAN A DAY

[@phosu5518]

European Championship: I sleep New Ashikai lore video: REAL!?

[@arcticthehunter7099]

The Liyue ley lines still “line up” if you use Fontaine characters. It’s purely a matter of enough random dots usually looking vaguely similar. Even the examples shown in the video are really different

[@beashemmad.sayson545]

It’s called statistical illusion. Although I do believe that the arrangement means something

[@charactername111]

i wonder what this means for Arama, the Aranara that became a tree

[@Thunderstyle7]

I really hope hoyo don't simply abandon that piece of lore... as if it was only just a dream.

[@reveriesend4668]

more like Arama set a narrative example. Because prior to that Makoto's explanation was short and cooking this idea prior to Caribert was hard. (and trust me: this had been in the oven for some time!) Not to mention the latter 2 "material for making a loom of fate" wasn't exactly that well explained both in the cutscene (of Ei SQ2) and Before Sun and Moon (Parable of the Tree). Purposefully, obviously, as Genshin is a live service game and they actually like "showing, not telling" a lot more than what certain people might think. But yeah, think of it as the developer's way to slowly build stuff up and making sure they have content for years to come.

[@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879]

I think this is basically Rukkhadevata (in this case, 'previous' Dendro Archon) to apply Loom of Fate function and Samsara theory on smaller scale to repair Sumeru after the cataclysm. The fuel basically children memories collected as they grow up and 'conveniently' forgetting their forest friends.

[@mmath2318]

can we talk about the photo we had in our pocket at the end of the 4.7 quest 🤨

[@ayumiii.]

Not sure how much sense this makes (or if it's even correct lol) but now that the abyss order has obtained the eye of the first field tiller and their loom of fate has actually been completed with the addition of the core, Caribert probably pulled a Makoto and did some time shenanigans, going back to take the photo and plant it in the traveler's pocket and then erasing the memory of that encounter itself, similar to how Makoto had Ei plant the seed 500 years in the past, and then used the power of that completed loom of fate (so the sacred sakura) to make it seem as if the sacred sakura was always there to everyone except for Ei. That's how I understood it after this ashi theory at least :p

[@cobaltblue42]

@Ashikai - probably unrelated, but in the second Golden Apple Archipelago Special Event, the Fatui had a malfunctioning device that could completely modify the physical world by acting on the memories or dreams of those within its sphere of influence. The physical domains we completed in the event were created from our companion's minds and memories. Unsure what the power source and tether for the device was, but it was inferred that the device was mimicking or harnessing the lay lines to create the alterations. Perhaps this device was an early attempt at a Loom of Fate by the Fatui? I honestly can't remember much of the event's plot and details but it feels relevant if Hoyo keeps creating variations of the same theme. Anyways, amazing video as always!!!

[@scarletsilveriron]

You know for all the talk of the Traveler taking the throne of Heaven I can help but think that the game is going to end with wishing for our twin back. Because that has been the sole thing motivating us.

[@worm2976]

I wish I had the brain capacity Ashi does

[@sweetheartia_essa]

i cannot wait omg. I think the only let down with this quest for me (well, outside of story grievances) is how short it was…feels like the other dain quests were much longer.

[@Nitsuj293]

One could even say that the Statue of the Omnipresent God was Ei's weird recreation of the Sacred Sakura just done wrong and badly, as it is filled with wishes and pearls

[@igorrodrigues2532]

I don't remember if it was on this channel that I saw a theory about the loom of fate but if it's true it would be very interesting. According to this theory, the loom of fate of the abyss order would have the power to transform the world however they wanted based on the same way that heavenly principles change and control the world. It would be through the spiritual veins which are like the ley lines and they are actually above the ley lines and control them as well. This is because the means by which heavenly principles control the world concerns the destiny of all things. Therefore, it is a power capable of changing not only the planet but also the history of the people who live on it. If so, what would the abyss do with this power?

[@clemente3966]

I think you're referencing "How Celestia stole Teyvat" , from this channel

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

Yep, from here it is

[@CrossShade8144]

19:24 I have a little problem with this part. Inazuma may be free of the Heavenly Principles, but they are still part of Irminsul. The Sacred Sakura did not create a new ley line system separate from Irminsul, and we know this because everyone in Inazuma was affected by Scaramouche when he removed himself from Irminsul.

[@Ashikai]

That is true, but the way I was thinking of it was like - if you have two trees side by side each other, they will be drawing from or even sharing the same nutrients and water. If memories and energy are the nutrients/water then you can get the same memories moving between the two. The bigger point is that if one tree dies, the other tree won't. If heaven moves the stars expecting the ley lines to adjust themselves to match, only Irminsul's roots are gonna move, not the Sakura's. In hindsight, I did not make that part of the argument very clear.

[@rurue-hf6nu]

6:54 holy shit. i'm not ignorant of genshin lore, not in the slightest, but this is absolutely mind boggling. i have NEVER been more impressed by a game's world building.

[@tai6852]

someone did the same with fontaine characters on the map of fontaine and it is crazy how they all connect

[@beashemmad.sayson545]

I NEED TO FIND IT

[@beashemmad.sayson545]

@@tai6852there’s no fontaine one yet😭😭

[@rurue-hf6nu]

​@@tai6852 can you link it?

[@user-miraje]

lmao the satisfied exclamation I let out when you mentioned the Sacred Sakura as one of the Loom of Fate. I was thinking it was too weird for it not to have came up till now! And I'm thinking what Istharoth controls isn't just any moments, but the ones corresponding to important choices. Like events in a game where the player's choice can change the ending route. It's a moment corresponding to a choice that can change fate. If it was compared to a tree, Istharoth controls the points at which a branch separate into different new branches.

[@Cinnamowo]

23:27 talking about it, didn't Venti have some interesting lines in his poem from like one of the first events ever? I haven't played the game back then, but from what I remember it was like he was writing about an old friend, but their gender would change depending on who you play as. I may be misremembering, since I haven't even played it myself, but that once again reminded me that we still don't have Venti Story Quest 2

[@hellother52]

do you mean the windblume festival event?

[@Random_Alexx]

Wait, what if Fatui are collecting gnoses not to resurrect the third descender but to make a "core" and plant their own Loom of fate and free Snezhnaya from heavenly principles as well? That would make so much sense! If they do end up burning Irminsul in the end, those nations, who had their own loom should theoretically stay intact or at least be in the better state

[@degandagan]

If the loom of fate weaves new ley lines, which are made of memories AND ELEMENTS, with the new host tree being separated from irminsul, and if they are using the eye of the first field tiller, aka the authority of humanity, whats stopping the abyss order from creating a new element? A synthetic element? After all, dain did say they would defy the heavens with "a power from beyond", and if all characters from the Travail trailer are to be playable, dainsleif needs an element to function in the game, and he doesnt seem to fit any of the 7 pre-existing elements

[@pizzavert4020]

I feel like this is gonna be a ride and a half

[@berrybread7215]

can confirm

[@belfey_]

I don't usually comment but i have a crack theory that i want to share As speculated in the video, a Loom Of Fate is made up of 3 main parts; A tether, aka a person connecting the loom to the world. A power source, which is self explanatory, and a core or a seed from which the metaphorical or literal tree or loom grows. Now we also know that dottore might try to burn Irminsul down which would destroy the already existing fate of everything from Teyvat and also burn away all memory from existence. But also without Irminsul, no new memories can be stored, so hear me out; what if the traveller becomes the new Irminsul? We already know that they get power from the belief of people (example, the last chapter of the Liyue archon quest) so that could be the source of power, the traveller themself the core and most likely Paimon as the tether. Now this theory could be disproven very fast but one can hope.

[@reveriesend4668]

I mean: it's very possible. but if I'm a writer, I would do the reverse instead. For the onions. "Emergency food."

[@daslodda]

ashikai about to cook again, im so ready

[@sofiariz7518]

I had a thought, I don't know if it contradicts any of the lore, but what if the twins lost different aspects of their power? The traveller obviously loses their light-based power, but keeps their star power or ability to resonate with wills. What if the abyss twin kept their light-base power, but lost their ability to resonate with wills. And what if this had led them to making decisions without the backround guidance of those wishes, which is why at the end of Bedtime Story they say they feel guilty? Just a thought.

[@-hani]

To add to the teleport waypoint & statues of the seven bit- it's interesting that we can unlock waypoints in our world in co-op, when there are other players with us, but not statues. Also interesting that when we interact with a statue of the seven in other people's worlds in co-op, we get the dialogue "... Leave." Both intriguing and lowkey ominous lol

[@IiIypadd]

IM BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE THE ARCHON QUEST WAS ANNOUNCED AAAAAAA🎉

[@CarlosAnglada]

Too real

[@mdshamimhaque341]

I have been waiting for this video ever since 4.7 came out. So, it's finally here.

[@akramgenshingaming]

I've always wondered why did makoto said "free from the clutches of the heavenly principles" now ur explanation kinda makes sense.

[@akarilin7765]

Part of why I look forward to a new patch is Ashikai's lore videos...

[@ProwersEdits]

Nintendo Direct then ashikai straight afterwards, I’m eating good

[@diazpramudita5165]

I just noticed there are golden butterflies around the entrance of Sakura Shrine.

[@LongDeadArtist]

Unrelated but I would love for a new quest where we restore Dragonspine to its' original state, I'd love to see it.

[@paolabochm3425]

It may sound strange but just yesterday I dreamed that Ishikai uploaded a new video, how exciting ❤🎉

[@joshuakliendelossantos9943]

seeing you upload new content has always been a sweet treat

[@lucifurious1976]

The knowledge capsules also look like teleport waypoints, maybe they do store knowledge. Also the custom teleport we create has a star and night sky motif hmmmm

[@magnumsoe]

ah so this specific irminsul tree was our sibling to begin with

[@tsuki_BIrb]

I just want to point something out that I found while looking at the waypoints and statues In-Game: A while back, somewhere around 4.0, I noticed khaenri'ah lettering on the fountain in the akademiya and wondered if there was a way to translate it. After a long rabbit hole, and a bunch of looking through the genshin wiki, reddit, ect, I managed to find a transcript to translate it. I ended up getting gibberish the first try, which then repeats again around the fountain until the point I started the translation, but, after a while of starting the translation in different places I ended up getting "novum nihil sub sole" which is Latin for "Nothing new under the sun". Now, you may be wondering why I point this out, but in the sumeru statue description that phrase is QUOTED. "As it is said, 'There is nothing new under the sun.' The ancient realm of wisdom has weathered calamity just as the statue gazed down at the cycles of rebirth." The most likely reason for this quote, is because this phrase is a bible verse. "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." This is especially interesting considering it references the fact of cycles, of things being done over and over, that you will never do something 'new' which is a pretty common theme in teyvat. This also helps show the theme of which you're trying to convey in a way, and honestly, its very interesting that this quote specifically is brought up more then once. I have a lot more to say about this, and do with it what you will, but just some food for thought. Note: I'm unaware on if this occurs anywhere else, or if it is something irrelevant now, but I simply wanted to share it just in case.

[@nicolas._.2294]

Interesting, very interesting

[@thatadorablefox]

19:34 this whole tangent abt the sacred sakura being a loom of fate for inazuma makes sense why Ei wasn’t “punished” for creating the Puppet and then the Raiden Shogun afterwards, even though she was technically “creating humans.” It’s because Inazuma escaped the laws of teyvat

[@Firefly_night]

The thumbnail been changed from Dain to Aether 👀 excited ~! Ill preper dinner at the time it will be a perfect watch 🥰

[@kostiantynkhomenko6409]

I'm waiting your videos on storyquests even more then waiting story quests themselves in Genshin. Again great video,you are the best!

[@b4u4ever26]

i get excited for your videos more than the new patches

[@marinarose3343]

Can't wait for the reveal that this Genshin timeline actually takes place on Earth, which is the Teyvat of the future or the past

[@Lia.mochii]

gosh this channel keeps me alive, i live for lore content

[@legaldrogen8439]

in the end when ashikai talk bout traveler being loom of fate my mind went too loki finale where loki takes all the tread of multiverse and sit and makes a treee

[@thevoid8114]

Once again, love the use of the TTYD soundtrack for bgm 💙

[@Windsofambience]

Can’t help but wonder if our traveler is a clone of the third descender, a memory clone, and the third descenders soul is actually irminsul and his body was turned into the gnosis and the original traveler (lumine) used something like a loom of fate to bring your character back to life and that’s why you were asleep for 500 years…

[@darknight1760]

Everything could be simpler - we are the 3rd descender. [conditionally simpler, since I cannot reliably explain really important details with current info] *crack theory taken out of nowhere* We have been destroyed or self-sacrificed in the past (for unknown reason), and our power was divided into 7 gnosises in process. At the same time, we also lose almost all memory of this place + some hibernation period for 500 years, if not more (similar as Kusanali "wipe", but even tougher; we were technically killed, if memory lose can be considered such, as Arlecchino said) But the origin of our abilities (to absorb and use all elements) may has connection to Teyvat itself, and it's ley lines - thanks to that, we were able to restore low amount of our previous powers. This would at least somehow explain our connection with the statues. I'm just still haunted by the fact that Venti remembers us - it seems he already knows us and our forgotten past (if we additionally refer to his character dialogues). This is not even a theory - just speculation. Thanks for reading if anyone has decided to do this

[@elleyi512]

Seriously, thank yooou a million for always breaking down the stories!! My brain cannot brain sometimes and I get lost lol!

[@agoodnoodle999]

Amazing video!

[@levymakarios654]

Awesome As Always.. The Power of Theory Always Compelling

[@doodlingcat4800]

If each loom of fate can only affect itself then Xamaran seems ready important being a mushroom and all

[@yeet1208]

recently whenever i watch your videos im fascinated by how all the different lore concepts are actually not all that different and many of them come from the same place. in 2020 it felt like there were all these different concepts but there wasn’t really any reason to be connecting them

[@DangerScone]

"Do you think [object name] is a Loom of Fate?" is gonna be the new "Is [character name] a Descender?"

[@obsidianstar9089]

The Abyss order fr trying to gaslight the entire fucking world😭

[@viridianfox6172]

I'm now thoroughly of the mind that the Traveler is both a loving shooting star AND a psycopomp. We've seen and helped so many characters pass on or find peace in so many different ways.

[@Imonyaa]

Thank you for bugging my mind once again ♡

[@CalculusPractice]

Beautiful theory

[@alishajohnson1358]

I’m so glad someone was able to put into words how I was feeling after remuria and the everlasting dream quest. Everything is connected!

[@sh4d0wfury]

There were a few details I think you got switched. The stars are Celestia's loom, and by changing the stars, the material world (in this case, Irminsul's roots) follow. Irminsul is the world, both material and memories, so if you want to change either, you use a loom. Irminsul is the tapestry of the world. That said, you are correct that there have been other "looms". Some looms are isolated, like the bottle-world's loom, so they change a different world. Some looms read/write/delete from Irminsul (Nahida, Wanderer, Arlechino's fire). Some graft another tree (another story/reality) into Irminsul (Sakura)

[@Ashikai]

I didn't switch them, but my wording may not have been very clear. I've made an entire video about the movements of the stars creating blueprints for the ley lines to replicate on the physical plane.

[@Thomaslz07]

I haven't seen anyone talk about it, but this video made me think that Tsaritsa's objective is to take away the power celestia has over irminsul and control it with the gnosis, and this is supported by pierro saying about rewriting the rules of destiny. Also, they may be trying to destroy irminsul and start a new one on their control, as dottore burns the irminsul in the trailer and the gnosis may be to create the new one.

[@kbearl98]

OK so many points in this video blew my mind. Lots of connections I didn't realize but makes so much sense. I hope this was all intentional by mihoyo and not some random coincidence. I love watching these!

[@jamie-rd1bv]

7:15 , i decided to check to see if theres a set of waypoints that fit qiqi's constellation better in chenyu vale, and there is! if you use the chenlong cleft waypoint as the leftmost star and the underground mt. lingming waypoint as the top of the bell (not the handle, the one above that is the handle), it overlaps much better. however, possibly discrediting this theory, i personally could not find anywhere to fit gaming or xianyun's constellations in chenyu vale.

[@gabrielesallemi787]

Holy... I just realized that the cutscene when Nahida encounters the previous Dendro Archon is called: "A dream of falling branches".

[@vitorolinto]

Ashi, I NEED a deep dive into the lore of the Ancient Sea, and there is no better fit for this content than you 🥺

[@reveriesend4668]

ancient sea? dark sea, you mean?

[@parmaxolotl]

The eye thing is interesting because I made a diagram of Teyvat and the planet it’s on based on what we know, and it looked like a massive eyeball with Teyvat itself being the iris, the firmament being the cornea, and the blood vessels permeating the eye being Irminsul. As Khaenri’ah is frequently described as having a sky, moons, access to the Abyss (outer space?), and is often symbolized with upside down structures, I interpreted it as being on the surface, but on the other side of the planet (assumed to be underground because the people of Teyvat likely dug there). This would correspond with the fovea, or the blind spot of the eye. “Where the gods’ gaze does not fall”.

[@laron1231]

"The Heaven's move and everything else follows" for Zhongli burst goes hard wow

[@Mari_OTPs]

MY GOD, MY BRAIN!!! THIS VIDEO IS SO GOOD!!!

[@kotarouinugami1745]

About memories and Traveler's resistance to their alteration, I think it's a matter of quality of memories. Dreams are normally quickly forgotten. That's why both Sabzerus samsara (that happened in a dream) and events in Karibert's dream world could be forgotten, while memories of the waking world are immune to alteration.

[@vanessachowjiaying4423]

Many have forgotten Genshin is still one of the many key collective stories within the Honkaiverse, where all of their games have the same overall theme of overcoming fate/repeated cycles. The idea of a new fate for each region by overcoming the set orders/cycles is similar to Elysia cutting the threads of fate of Earth's samsara cycle initiated by Finality, allowing the current era to at least fight back. In part 2, each of the bubble universes in Mars have their own Anchor, which keeps them from dissolving within the Sea of Data. The layers of the bubble universe, which either support/crumble each other is similar to the different layers of Teyvat, a leak might lead to a total change.

[@OK-otic]

This community never ceases to amaze!

[@-nery-]

a motif it seems; threads of all fate, reweaving ley lines (fabric(?) of the world)

[@Negolossauro]

19:30 this also explains why Miko and Ei were talking about another war coming to Inazuma, because the same way Fontaine infringed the Heavenly Principles with Focalors giving the authority back to the dragon, Ei and Makoto did the same creating a "new Irminsul" for Inazuma. All of this happened after the cataclysm, when the Heavenly Principles already was inactive, so they faced no consequences yet, but they will. What you said in the end of the video, about the Fatui goal of burning the Irminsul, i'm thinking the exact same thing since i finished the quest... Tsaritsa already knows the concept of Loom Of Fate, observing and collecting info about what happened in Remuria, Sumeru Desert, Khaenri'ah, Fontaine and Inazuma, and instead of create her own, she wants to destroy Celestia's Loom Of Fate. All tries to disconect people from their fate, creating a new one, at least until now, failled and their fate reached them in the end. So, what will happen if we simply destroy what control their fate in the first place? Considering the amount of relation the Fatui and the Abyss Order (Khaenri'ah) have, they could be working together, or one knows other goals, and will try to use it for it's own purpose.

[@thecrystalliaguild]

5:18 Just saw Inside Out 2 recently and this line immediately reminded me of the plot

[@EchoNoir-]

So it's pretty obvious that the twins are from the era of the unified civilisation right? and that's what "homeland" really means. (Not that they're the common humans of that time, they're still more important than that). Because we know Khaenri'ah is literally an offshoot of it and was the only surviving part, because they hid underground from the gods, that's still connected to Teyvat (unlike Enko). And it's why they're somehow already so intrinsically connected to the world, like when traveller says the Inteyvat reminds them of the flower of their homeland; because it is and Khaenri'ah then adopted it as their national flower. The twins just world-hop and ours gained decender status upon re-entry at some point just like Nibelung is said to have, or something like that. Also this is a comment I left on Rooze's community post so I just thought I'd put it here for more eyes: The Khaenri'ahn curse works like the Inteyvat flower because the whole theme for them is not being able to return home. Being a godless nation is blasphemous but that's the choice they made so when a full-blooded Khaenri'ahn leaves and steps outside of Khaenri'ah, they'll be cursed with immortality; forced to forever wander under the gods essentially. But the moment they step foot back on Khaenri'ahn soil, they'll die just like the flower because they're not allowed to go back home. This is how Clothar managed to do it, he either died there and someone brought him back to be burried with his wife or he somehow got the soil from Khaenri'ah and was burried in it. And half-blooded Khaenri'ahns are seen as forsaking their home nations and their respective gods so if they wish to live in Khaenri'ah, they best stay there because if they try to come back home and enter Teyvat, they'll turn into hilichurls the moment they leave (the curse of the wilderness), just like Hleobrandt. Obviously the home theme works more for full-bloods because technically hilichurls can go "home" to their original nations, they just lose themselves and idk why specifically they would even have to become hilichurls instead of just dying like full-bloods as well so there's clearly more to it but still. I think I saw this in the comments of a My Name For Now video ages ago, though I can't for the life of me remember which one so shoutout to that person for saying this idea.

[@burningpapersun1]

I've thought about the character constellations quite a lot. If it's something they did before hand then that is some crazy world building. Its all connected!

[@SleepMarshes1]

I wonder if the 'eye' portion of a loom of fate has something to do with a requirement of a 'witness'. bedtime story really drove home the point that even if caribert could not physically exist, he could exist and influence reality via the memories of himself implanted in others. he existed because he was essentially 'witnessed'. so, if the 'eye' of the irminsul loom of fate has gone missing, then the traveler's role as witness as they experience the various nations (and the many ways those nations turn away from celestia) is even more interesting than before. what better way to reweave irminsul than by inserting some rogue code? if one witnesses hundreds of stories of people breaking free of celestia's order, slapped it on a USB stick called 'Traveler', and plugged it into irminsul, surely that would influence all of teyvat's reality to break free of... whatever is really going on here.

[@vanessachowjiaying4423]

That concept technically did happen in Genshin's parent game Honkai part 1 story. In a way, the Honkai trio found a way to 'embrace' Finality without resetting the current world, and Elysia cutting the threads of fate in the previous era, allowing some of the current era Herrschers to maintain their humanity.

[@ashy969]

About the loom of fate and Irminsul connection: Irminsul stores memories. It is a databank. Okay, you can delete parts of it, but it just stores things and we do the deletion - or Nahida and Wanderer... And even then, after deletion, Wanderer still existed and the people who needed to die still died - no fate was changed. We could argue that the memory deletion was part of Wanderer's original path. As he still ended up with Nahida. And he got back his memories... He didn't escape the ending. And Caribert said, he can alter memories with the loom only until its complete. Then it can create new leylines. Not store memories, like Irminsul, but create stuff, control the leylines and its content. I think, Irminsul is just the databank of the prewritten fate of the Heavenly - a fabric of fate - and the loom is a controller tool, it can add to this fabric of fate, but cannot change the fabric that is already made. But it is suggested that it can gain the ability to redo the existing fabric...The Abyss twin doesn't seem to know how to use it to alter fate ,yet, but it can...Probably it still needs a missing component (the holder of world-rivaling will maybe) to be able to redo the existing fabric or creating a new one. The sacura tree while got planted in the future, doesn't seem to have the fate altering power or the loom, nore the storage capability of Irminsul. Its effects on Inazuma's fate came from not existing before. Its existence changed events, not the tree's powers. Now, however, it doesn't do anything more than a leyline (gives us gifts and holds elemental power).

[@Amalgam86]

Wait, wait! So the entire Aranara quest also is centered around us creating another Loom of Fate and a tree that gains power from collective memories and dreams of aranara? And also, also, when you finish the quest and get the Bija fruit, you can manually climb all the way up the old tree trunk, solve a couple of puzzles to get 2 remarcable chests. And inside them are models of carpet weaving stands!

[@IcyPandaGirl]

if the sacred sakura is a loom, then that means the frostbearing tree, amrita pool, tree of dreams, and fountain of lucine are looms as well

[@tigaron02]

So maybe part of the reason the Traveler is resistant/immune to the alterations of history/memory by Irmensol is due to their late connection too it. They aren't tied to the past memories like anyone born on the planet, so each alteration is skipped by them. Like how you can partition your computer so there can't be tampering by anyone without proper authorization, so a general user change to the system might not be allowed for them. Nahida changes memories because while she is a higher admin her files are integrated into the main framework. The Traveler is plugged into the system but has write protections on him, but Paimon also is like Nahida in that she's part of the system and so her memories can be tampered with. Caribert was like a virtual machine, he could affect the main system at points, but only altering small data, while anyone who was part of the main system was locked out of his personal black box.

[@mre1007]

The idea of the traveler being a seed for a new world tree reminded me how people (like Zhongli) said the Traveler is a "Witness". They are accumulating memories for something ... like powering a loom of fate

[@marcomarxo4795]

Wake up babe best lore channel premier just dropped

[@j2oro]

wouldn’t the biggest large scale example of ley line disorder be the desert’s celestial nail as opposed to dragonspines? just going off of my memory, but if the desert used to be lush rainforest before the celestial nail as i think i remember, wouldn’t it be larger by area?

[@Electric_Bagpipes]

Ok, so before I watch I want to lay out what I’ve been thinking. I’ll come back and see what I got right: The loom of fate is indeed the 2nd one, the first was made by the primordial one and I’m assuming they used either the king of dragons or the 2nd who came as the catalyst. There is the unlikely 3rd scenario that has the primordial one as the catalyst, and the unknown god as the 2nd who came and current weaver of fate. Obviously the abyss wasn’t happy about that, and seeks to control teyvat itself with their own loom.

[@Erleneos]

I HAVE SOMETHING ID LIKE TO SAY!!! In 18:31 (idk how to timestamp), at the moment I was thinking you (Ashikai) were going to use the Oratrice Mechanique D'analyse Cardinale instead. Because think about it, Focalors is THE TETHER, The Hydro Gnosis is THE POWER SOURCE, and trial things that fed into The Oratrice thingy is THE POWER SOURCE. This led to change of FATE. It may be a stretch but it's also possible.

[@sentrostenber]

I haven't played this game since like 3.2 but still up to date on the lore and main story because of ashikai

[@NiramBG]

I wonder if Nahida being the purest branch of Irminsul would actually become the new tree after the old one is destroyed. Like how you can plant a new tree by using just a branch from the old one.

[@Dylan_Otto]

random thought: is the Teyvat we're playing in real, or just memories of the traveler? That would explain the "simplified" cities and lack of people both in cities and everywhere else (they only remember notable people and places). Moreover, the trounce domains also label boss fights as memories.

[@SparklilyCordiale]

I'm wondering if the golden butterflies are the same as on the cover of the book mentioned in Whispers artifacts description.

[@m.ridzwan99-26]

Wei Ashikai theory are always mind blowing

[@lavatree9910]

best content creator out there

[@user-xm8xu1nt3r]

huh, with all this tree motives, the giant tree on windrise might as well be a loom of fate as well