[ˢᵖᵒᶦˡᵉʳ] Ashley learns the DARK TRUTH about Fearne's grandma | Critical Role | C 3 Ep 30

I knew fey were treachorous but even I was surprised by that 😨😨😨
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[@Zebulization]

Fairies and demons share several character traits. One that comes to mind: If you think that you have outsmarted them, you have probably lost.

[@mathiasandersen3762]

ain't that devils?

[@Zebulization]

@@mathiasandersen3762 That also works. Even demons use contracts and swear oaths, despite being chaos aligned. I suspect that it was a bit of tongue-in-cheek humor that the demons, devils, and evil fay were mechanically the same. Evil critter offers contract to mortal, then exploits loophole. Part of the reason that the blood war is so pointless.

[@gregfahlgren7501]

@@Zebulization There are slight differences. Devils will often set their contracts with different clauses. Percy's contract with Ipkish had three. In those contracts, Devils will keep their word to the letter, and sometimes the contract is purely transactional with a service being provided from both sides (see Percy and Ipkish.) However, some contracts can be more complex, such as Warlock pacts, and often times those deals are designed to fuck the mortal over. Best example of how those can go wrong is Wyll in Baldur's Gate 3. Demons manipulate mortals whenever they can, usually through magic, but as you mentioned, sometimes they do strike deals. Percy and Orthax is a good example. However, demons are unpredictable by their very nature, and often their deals are not so clean cut. Sometimes the mortal isn't even aware of the deal they've made (much like Percy) until the full nature of it is revealed. Demons will also "alter" the deals to further damn their victim, like when Orthax added Cassandra to The List. Demons are usually bound to objects (The List, Animus), and destroying them can break the connection, but that's not a guarantee. With Fey and Faeries it gets tricky because it depends on what you're dealing with. Artagan kept his bargains with Vox Machina but what he asked for in return were either a form of trickery ala Loki, or just fucked up like with strangling Vax. Other Fey can operate on different rules or different codes, but their deals are often more prankish than harmful. Then there's hags and crones. Hags... hags are the worst in my opinion. Hags (or at least many hags) live off suffering and misery. If you can to a hag, so long as you give them what they ask for, they will give you what you say you want, but there's a cruel twist involved. In Baldur's Gate 3, Ethel is a great example of a Hag making those kinds of deals. Go through her menagerie and you'll find that with each of her victims, she gave them what they asked for, but in a cruel twisted way that fed Ethel through their suffering. I guess the lesson of this whole diatribe is that deals with these kinds of beings can benefit you, but there is always a cost, and not usually what you think it is. And that you should never, EVER, make a deal with a Hag. I don't care how desperate you are it is not fucking worth it.

[@draochvar9646]

To quote one Harry Dresden: Making deals with faries is a BAD idea!

[@steinarbergstl5799]

Yeah. Never make the mistake of thinking fairies are nice. And definitely never make the mistake of thinking anything connected to fairies is _safe_!

[@shaderax_storm6165]

The Morrigan is a old Irish goddess, she was in dragon age (Origins... I think) which is the most recent depiction I can think of. Known as the "Phantom Queen" and much like Odin is a God of War, death, protection, retribution and witchcraft. Not saying this Hag has anything to do with that, but it's a good fey character concept.

[@dseray9494]

I think fey in d&d are most based in real world folklore, most of the iconic seelie and unseelie share (if nothing else) their names with fey from real world stories

[@shaderax_storm6165]

@@dseray9494 I was thinking about Herne the hunter, but I don't think the mythology has traveled far and wide about the lord of the wild Hunt. Plenty of great folk tales to steal ideas from. I read story about a witch milking a fey cow until she drove it insane and commited suicide rather than allowing her hand to touch it anymore. It's a very blunt tale, but it is very intriguing to me

[@draochvar9646]

@@shaderax_storm6165 well, the Wild Hunt actually has several masters, the Earlking and Odin most prominent amongst them.

[@Akeche]

@@dseray9494 ... The Morrigan IS real world folklore.

[@jeroen92]

They really need to be more assertive, they should never have given that lens until they were 100% certain of what Ira was trying to do.

[@bestofcriticalrole]

They have a weird relationship. I mean, they were talking shit in front of Ira and he didn't care. They're like frienemies so its a very delicate line to walk over

[@nemodra4790]

They are assertively curious of what might happen. It's not Vox Machina, not even M9. The only one who generally shows caution among them is Orym, and even he acts more or less reactively towards danger.

[@uninterruptedrhythm4104]

The thing about being assertive is that they’re really not that strong yet

[@jeroen92]

@@uninterruptedrhythm4104 that is metagaming though, they aren't actively working to "get stronger" in-game. To be fair though Matt gave him wall of force which the party can do nothing against until they get disintegrate. Which will be a long time and Imogen might not even learn it (probably won't unless she reflavors it)

[@anthonycampbell422]

@@jeroen92 Force damage is completely in the psychic wheelhouse! Just say that they're hyper energizing a grain of dust and it moves so fast it disintegrates what it touches. DONE.

[@neko_mewkawaii7120]

I thought Mori was the same hag that jester tricked with the moldy muffin of deliciousness.

[@bestofcriticalrole]

She could be 🤔

[@dastanghaedrahmati6977]

this was my first thought when it was revealed that Morri took fearn's age

[@neko_mewkawaii7120]

@@bestofcriticalrole I hope Mat clears that up on 4 Sided Dive because if she's not that hag then she's just a Fey realm version ,it's still bad but it would be nice to visit Mori and talk with her.

[@lindseyj4179]

That was Isharni, located near Kamorda, not in the Feywild

[@neko_mewkawaii7120]

@@lindseyj4179 Your right

[@mikaelmahe8627]

i m pretty sure morri live in the house vox machina pass by when they were in the feywild

[@bestofcriticalrole]

If this happens to be confirmed in the animated series I'm gonna scream (?)

[@musclecat1005]

You mean the house where Artagan said his ex lived?

[@gregfahlgren7501]

No, that was Wodenna, an elf like Fey that Artagan had scorned. She was the one who nearly killed Travis on that live show with Vex's broom.

[@typo203]

I think it really flew over my head, why did fearne's dad go pale lookong at Ira?

[@bmal7173]

Maybe the implication is that Ira made a deal with Morri for something, in exchange for leaving Fearne behind

[@SeventhEthereal]

Matt made a point of placing the magical gem disc in the narrative right after Ollie looked back to Ira. It may not have been that Ira made a deal, seeing as I believe Ollie & Birdie were the ones to reach out to Morrigan about creating the item for them. Still could have been Ira although Fearn was not his to give but then again fey are chaotic not lawful necessarily. SO much webbing in that situation lol

[@Zebulization]

Perhaps, Morrigan made a deal with Ira. She made the lens in exchange for Ira keeping Fern's parents away. We saw in the episode that he stopped them from leaving several times, by using mind magic.

[@BewareTheJadePhoenix]

Hmm, i thought it was the realization that they in fact exchanged Fearne. Morri makes deals, an exchange. They asked her for the lens, and gave Fearne to be watched. But maybe they didn't realize they weren't just giving their daughter to be watched for a bit, that she was what they gave in exchange. Ollie looked at Ira but i thought it was because he was installing the lens, which was part of the "deal". Even if it was just some time with her... They got the lens and Fearne back at the same time.

[@hkazu63]

I think it’s because Ira knows things better than Ollie and Birdie do, and he’s realising that Ira probably has more intimate knowledge of what happened here than they do. Ira has clearly been pulling strings for a while and it’s very possible that Ira and likely even Morri may have tricked them in some way to leave Fearne with Morri, in exchange for what Ira needed.

[@sweebos]

Fearne 🥲

[@rohailhashmi8050]

Terra is lovely I wish I can Mary Ashley Johnson but she’s not really my type maybe Greg Cipes can Mary her.