The Out-of-Taiwan Theory, Explained

[@JcDizon]

I'm 95% sure the Out-of-Taiwan theory is correct because it makes the most sense. The reason some Austronesians are mixed because the Austronesians intermixed some previous people living in the lands and their original language eventually went extinct and got completely replaced by Austronesian. Philippines got completely taken over by Austronesians but there are still Negrito tribes but their original language got extinct thousands of years ago. Western Indonesia was inhabited by Austroasiatics that completely got absorbed by the Austronesians which shows in their DNA. Eastern Indonesia is still inhabited by Melanesians and a lot of tribes are a mixture of Austronesian and Melanesian but there are a few tribes that still speaks Papuan languages. Sulawesi seems to have a mysterious group that got displaced or absorbed by Austronesians.

[@groundhight7446]

No it's not Many genetic research suggests that the split time between Taiwan Austronesia and South East Asia Austronesia is at least 8000 years It's early than Austronesia left Taiwan 4000 years ago

[@wecanwatersports4151]

Taboo = Kapu T = K B = P Oo = U No Go 🫵😊

[@timmyturtle1066]

i agree because there were also indigenous people of NZ called Moriori who were said to have been settled before the Maori, so maybe some mix in genes.

[@kakistocracyusa]

Linguistics is not a reliable or accepted metric for phylogenetic-tree-building.

[@hentype]

@@kakistocracyusa that's what he said if you try yo re-read his comment. Some strongly austroasiatic admixture groups today speak Austronesian languages.

[@thechosenone1533]

So they crossed thousands of miles across many seas, inhabited like hundreds of islands but they still wouldn't settle in Australia. That should tell you something about Australia.

[@paulfri1569]

Dangerous for human habitation back then. The Wildlife wants to kill or maim you.

[@thechosenone1533]

@@paulfri1569 Back then? Mate it's still true now.

[@paulfri1569]

@@thechosenone1533 Indeed. It's a constant battle if you live remotely to keep the killer animals like spiders and snakes away.

[@gelasmerah1551]

Australian climate is very harsh, pacific Islanders want that tropical vibes

[@Tye_ellison]

Yes because there where people already in Aus and they probably respected that and moved on most likely traded weapons food

[@islandvibez]

There should be a movie about this extraordinary journey!! Akin to Moana, but more lengthy and covering the migration path from Eurasia, Taiwan, Philippines, Indonesia, then throughout remote Oceania and even into Madagascar. Now it is known that the natives in Nuku Hiva (Marquesas) had indeed reached South America!

[@izobel2899]

My Ydna is O1a-M119,There are 80 Million O1a-M119 in China, and 5o Million O1a-M119 in Austronesian. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M119

[@izobel2899]

O1a-M119 is found frequently in Austronesians, southern Han Chinese, and Kra-Dai peoples. This lineage is presumed to be a marker of the prehistoric Austronesian expansion, with possible origins encompassing the regions along the southeastern coast of China and neighboring Taiwan, and is found among modern populations of Maritime Southeast Asia and Oceania (Karafet 2005).

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

@@izobel2899 Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@ralphlumbres]

Same sentiment. I wonder how the first people(s?) from mainland Asia decided to cross the sea to Taiwan. What was the motivation, what were the conditions?

[@randomly_random_0]

@@ralphlumbres pushed by Han Chinese dynasties.

[@hobog]

Taiwan's mountains are the highest east of Himalayas and probably south of Russia, higher than Japan's alps. It definitely gets cold at high-altitude taiwan

[@Asianometry]

It’s a beautiful site.

[@jeksixten5751]

Yes❤️

[@carlb4741]

gets cold in in Northern Vietnam too .

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

@@carlb4741 You guys have cold?

[@YingTou1]

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[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@YingTou1]

@@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i Very interesting.

[@YingTou1]

Wikipedia tells you a lot.

[@primalamerica]

@@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i Brown races. LOL.

[@samisfun868]

Apparently Moana the Disney movie is based out of this fascinating theory. In the midst of the Out of Taiwan migration happening, a few hundred years they apparently stopped migrating, before starting back up. So Disney of course used this tid bit as the story backboard (Moana's village/father afraid of the water and lost the art of sailing, etc - before she found her calling and started adventuring again to find other land/tribes on the vast ocean).

[@emmanuelgabion2534]

We must consider that the sea has never been a barrier for us Austronesians, but rather a superhighway. The best examples are the Visayan provinces, which are part of an archipelago and speak the same family of languages as each other but are separated by sea. Provinces even when they are close to one another but separated by mountain ranges tend to develop distinct languages and thus more isolated. Bataan, for example, is a Tagalog-speaking province that borders Pampanga, a Kapampangan-speaking province. Prior to Tagalog migrations, Zambales, its northern neighbour, was predominantly Zambal and Ilocano speaking. Cavite, the nearest Tagalog-speaking province to Bataan, is separated by Manila Bay. We can presume that there are more socio-cultural-linguistic exchanges between islands than between on land.

[@manuelquiero]

Yeah, some theorize that Bataan was a former Kapampangan-speaking province and only became Tagalog when Tagalogs from its southern neighboring provinces migrated there.

[@rapmamori4136]

Cause its easier/faster to travel by boat. We don't have wild horses as means of transportation. But we have boats.

[@hentype]

It didn't have to be islands. Tagalog is widespread inland as far as the Quezon and Rizal, up to Bulacan and Laguna because Laguna Bay is navigable through the Pasig River. The same reason why Pampanga, Bataan, and Batangas are Tagalog-dominated: they have direct ports. Intramuros was enough for the Spanish to rule as far north as Ilocos and deep into the Cagayan river because they are easily reachable by sea, but left the Mountain Province and Ifugao alone for the lack of a navigable river.

[@emmanuelgabion2534]

@@hentype a perfect example

[@GayProphetMuhammad]

​​@@manuelquiero Its the Kapampangan who migrated there. Tagalog people dominated Central Luzon even in some parts of Bicol regions because its close proximity. Kapampangans were small group of people. No wander the Spaniards always refers to indigenous people of the Philippines as "Naturales Tagalos" because they dominated large part of Luzon.

[@BlasitoGinawang]

I'm from the Philippine Cordillera,since here we share a common dielect,here I speak Kankana-ey,Ilokano and Tagalog,I also understand Benguet kankana-ey,Lepanto kankana-ey,Applai Kankana-ey,Bontok and Tuwali Ifugao,since words I hear and speak like Typhoon,In ilokano its called "Bagyu" same with Kankana-ey,but for Tagalog its called "Bagyo" and with Bontok,Tuwali Banaue,and Kalinga and many subtribes around the eastern cordillera,it is called "Fagyu or Pagyu". Same word but different pronounsation if I'm correct with that spelling. But the old name of Taiwan is "Pulis" meaning sharp peak or penetrating like a spearpoint,sometimes called "Alo" or pestel in my deilect and for the Philippines or north of the island,it called "Kalawitan" called nesting ground for the eagles or called like a womans flower and also the northern island also called "Lusong" mortar,that's how Miguel Lopez renamed the northern colony "Luzon".

[@stank7661]

Whenever I read articles or watch videos about the origin of the Austronesian and Austroasiatic people, they always pointed to the same directions that I already knew. Basically, modern humans (homo sapiens) left north-east Africa to the world about 70 kya. Reached SEA about 50 kya by walking alone. The ones that reached SEA passed through the Middle East, India, Andaman Islands and finally arrived in upper Sundaland around Vietnam before spreading further into lower and east parts of SEA. This was done by walking before when the lands were still connected and the big land in SEA was known as Sundaland. These people were in the Australoid form (or studies call them Negritos although they're Australoid from my research). I think when they met the archaic humans in SEA such as the Denisovan, Java man, etc, they intermixed. And they became Negrito. The Negritos were the admix of the first wave of modern humans from north-east Africa with the archaic humans in the region. Studies also show that the first migration to Indonesia was from around Vietnam but there was no Vietnam at that time. This happened about 30 kya. kya = kilo years ago. I think 30 kya, the people who moved to 'Indonesia' region were in the form of Negrito not Mongoloid. Then about 5 kya, the Austronesian and Austroasiatic speaking people moved to SEA. Austronesian speaking people moved to Indonesia through Taiwan and the Philippines. Austroasiatic speaking people moved to Indonesia through mainland SEA. The origin was around south-east China but there was no China at that time. They brough farming skills and tools with them when they came to Negrito-filled SEA. A lot of them also intermixed with Negritos that results in a lot of Negritos also have East Asian (Mongoloid) DNAs today meaning they're mixed of Mongoloid Austronesian/Austroasiatic speakers and the first wave of homo Sapiens as well as Archaic humans of the region. Over 70,000 years. Just the Mongoloid genes they have it recently from a few thousands years ago to now. This is why despite their looks, studies confirm that the Negritos of SEA relate way more to East Asia than to Africa. Even the ones with curly hair have part Mongoloid genes, too and there are many of them that have straight and wavy hair which is a product of mixing between the two groups of people. The ones that have straight hair look very much like native SEA especially maritime SEA like the Philippines and Indonesia and especially in Indonesia and even in West Indonesia, too with that looks, they are usually called native Indonesia. So their looks become straight haired, big eyes, 'Asian stare when they stare or look at people', dark skin which are all features of native SEA. So it is these people who are mixed of Austronesian/Austroasiatic people with Negritos are usually what is known as the looks of native South East Asians. Negritos are also known to have big thighs and butts. So there are native SEA that have natural big thighs and butts even among males and this shows the admix. My question for you is what are your genes.

[@randomly_random_0]

Please, it's not dialect, it's LANGUAGES

[@AngryLesby]

@@stank7661 thanks for explanation buddy. That is also what I thought as the most reasonable theory if we want to go back when the sundaland was not under the water. People people in Andaman islands and papua have similiar Features, yet they are got separated for thousands kilometers. I think your approach makes really sense

[@stank7661]

@@AngryLesby 1000 years from now, history will say that indigenous Indonesians came from China cause a lot of Chinese-Indonesians will become indigenous Indonesians in 1000 years. It was like that, too, 5 kilo years ago when the Negritos met the then newly arrived and curious East Asian farmers and hunters speaking Austroasiatic and Austronesian languages. But there was no China at that time and they're really from the very south eastern part of contemporary China. What caused The move? No one knows; maybe cause northern Chinese moved to south China so indigenous people in south China moved to SE Asia. Different languages and slightly different looks. Most contemporary Chinese are what were the northern Chinese hence the differences in looks and languages between Southern East Asians in SEA and contemporary Chinese.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@stank7661 Negritos are melanesian but separate from the oceanic melanesian by 26,000 years, along with having more ancient Asian admixture than their near oceanic cousins.

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Chinese and American archaeological experts have been on Dongshan Island for more than two years of joint investigation and research. In March 2006, the author learned from the Dongshan County Museum: After more than two years of joint investigation and research conducted by archaeologists from China and the United States, the "Austronesians" of the South Pacific and Indian Oceans had arrived in Fujian Province during the Neolithic period. Formed the local aborigines of Fujian. This major discovery proves that Austronesians were also distributed in Fujian before the Neolithic Age.

[@gungatz6696]

@@bihapi You do look more SEA'n than Chinese my guy.

[@BarHawa]

So did Polynesians migrate to or from there?

[@Budywieser]

@@BarHawa austronesian started from south of china before migrated down south east asia.

[@cosmoray9750]

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[@WineFi]

Interesting huh? I remember my Uncle saying when he was stationed in Vietnam back when he was exposed to the Montagnards , the mountain people if you will. While listening to them speak he heard words similar to the Chamorro language of Guam . And found out they meant the same thing. How cool is that !

[@sumaranggg]

Another interesting topic I am starting to dig in are the pre-austronesians (those people called by ancient han chinese as "barbarians of the south"). I've read that they were advanced in wet agriculture and maritime technology which were envied by the han chinese due to their extensive trading with other people. Even before the austronesians in the taiwan, pre austronesians existed and dominated even the southern mainland china. People were described to be animists, covered their bodies with tattoos, lived in stilt houses, and domesticated dogs. Most people in philippines will undoubtedly relate to those culture. Sadly, only the wet agriculture and maritime technology (but not as great as compared before) were retained. Body tattooing is considerably looked down as taboo in most of the philippine archipelago, with only some people in cordilleras practicing this ancient tradition. I hope that philippines will focuse more on this part of history, and not just heavily starting on colonial era. It's just, for my opinion, I don't feel connected with that part of history. I am a proud animist (yeah also this practice is significantly rare in the country nowadays due to, you know, christianity ). Mabuhay!

[@WallNutBreaker524]

ah , youre a filipino Animist? interesting , Catholic Filipino here , MABUHAY!!!

[@oblati]

I think those people were austroasiatic. Like the Hmong, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Orang Asli of Malaysia, Semang, and Igorot. Our people were part of Champa at the time, I think.

[@hijo5966]

Very interesting! Hope you're doing well!

[@seannwilliam9557]

​@@oblatiIgorot are Austronesians.

[@BBarNavi]

Austronesians came out from Taiwan, having arrived LONG before anything that could be considered "China" existed.

[@sturmbrecher88]

There's also an uncanny similarity between the Zhuang ethnic in south-eastern China and the Minangkabau of Indonesia in terms of their traditional headdress (the buffalo horns)

[@gordondenner7924]

Here in North Borneo some of the native tribes have a similar head dress.

[@scorchinggoat9589]

that does not mean they are related as the idea of putting buffalo horns on a head dress can be come up with more than once

[@sturmbrecher88]

@@scorchinggoat9589 It's not putting buffalo horns on the headdress. It's the way you fold a piece of cloth in that particular shape and order. Tribes usually differentiate from one another by their clothings and jewellery. You don't see every tribe having buffalo horns across Southeast Asia.

[@sturmbrecher88]

@@bihapi Yes, I'm one of them who noticed their similarities. Mizoram tribe (India) bamboo dance is also similar to Igorot tribe's Tinikling dance (Philippines) and Murut tribe's Magunatip dance (Sabah).

[@haritsdarwienm5886]

@@bihapi no they're different Nagas aren't Austronesian

[@jaytabuya4323]

awesome info. just one question: how come rice never reached most of the pacific?

[@jasonsamson2082]

Just want to say, only the central and southern part of Vietnam is warm (tropical) all year round. In the north there are 4 seasons (a subtropical climate), and in the capital Ha Noi in winter the temperature can get down to 4 or 5 degrees C. In surrounding mountains and further north it can snow in winter.

[@TheSpecialJ11]

The lack of perfect genetic alignment with language makes me think of Indo-European settlement of Europe. There were already agricultural peoples there, but their languages and male lineages were almost wiped. My layman's theory is that it's much easier to learn a new, more successful culture by learning their language and assimilating into their social structure than it is to adapt their culture to your own language. Aside from violent conquest, for men that would mean being disfavored as a second-class "citizen" (member of the clan really) and not getting married, and so the "native" y-haplogroups are now a tiny fraction of the European population. Add in that every level of advancement in technology generally allows for greater settlement density and so Indo-Europeans (including those assimilated) would quickly outpopulate the native cultures as well as polygamy was accepted in these cultures, and one can see how there are opposing forces of replacement and assimilation changing the dance of language and genetics in each place different people groups interact.

[@mriz7258]

I agree on the male lineages being wiped out. Many Austronesian peoples are very Maternalistic culture. Even until now, when someone were to get married, they would stay over at the woman's house with the in laws. And customary of passing family heirlooms from Mothers to Daughters. Look up the Minangkabau people, the prime example of a Maternalistic culture .

[@benwong4648]

In addition to the linguistic evidence there is now genetic evidence for this theory. The genetic evidence points to the origin of pacific islanders as two groups - one group, the Micronesian which are more associated with the Australian indigenous people. The Polynesian (Taiwan) being the other group. The polynesian group originate out of a prehistoric group known as the "River Mother" culture located on SE China along the Pacific coast. This was way before the Han Chinese who eventually occupied all of China.

[@cyberpotato63]

I think you meant to say that the Melanesian's of the Islands east of New Guinea are associated with the Papuan New Guinea and more distantly with the Australian indigenous people. Micronesian and Polynesian groups represent migrations of related groups radiating from either Taiwan or the adjacent coastal mainland. The Papuan New Guinea and Melanesians were much earlier than the Polynesian and Micronesian migrations.

[@Boondoxx]

@@cyberpotato63 Was just about to write this verbatim line for line lol. cheers

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@isfiya8961]

Yes.. when peoples read the out of taiwan, they will think of chinese and we austronesians are a bit chinese.. but we don't.. our eyes is not slanted.. our culture is waaay different then the chinese.. It happens long long long ago before the han, the chinese occupied taiwan.. and, don't think that chinese civilization is more ahead than of southeast aseans, so people migrated from there.. no.. theres founding of a piece of human skull on a cave in borneo.. more ancient than the one they found in china..

[@FlameAlchemyIO]

Having a nation in Mainland China doesn’t indicate that they are mongoloid descent, they predate Jomon expansion. Ainu are NOT from Jomon expansion and were also on Mainland China as Japan. Before this we migrated to China lol from Russia/Tataria seen as the extinct and replaced Mari From Russia And Indigenous Ainu. Before Russia The Ainu AND Mari merged with Arawa After Sargon Destroyed Mari and Arawa. This is Ihiria! Before Ihiria we sprung from the belly of Hera Under Ra near the Naval. We grew from the earth and come from Taro.

[@classic_sci_fi]

I saw a video recently which purported to trace the Polynesian islanders back to Samoa and before that Taiwan.This was based on an extensive DNA study in addition to stories told by various peoples throughout the Pacific.

[@dexschris3996]

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34552258/

[@heaven1189]

Nah we Polynesians ancestors forefathers come from Papua New Guinea and Australia at a time when the land and sea level was different. It’s why we look dark and Afro hair and over 6ft none of these Asians built like us . We apart of Oceania not Asia austronesian is just a language group not a race and the Out of Taiwan theory was created by a white man not even our own people so I don’t trust it . We would of been told all these things if they was true it would be in our peoples history in our stories Growing up but nope . We not the same us Polynesian Melanesian are our own unique race. Oceania is our continent of the largest and deepest sea in the world . Yall Asians need to stop taking credit for our accomplishments

[@indonesianguy4026]

Proud to be an austronesian 💪💪

[@notchurka3332]

White people made that word up. Stop

[@zachzoldyck1796]

But your folks are not proud of that. 😅

[@shannnz9148]

Recently took a DNA test (I'm NZ maori) and I'd have to say this theory aligns with the result. I did and admixture test and my polynesian was comprised of predominantly South East Asian and Oceanic. The Oceanic was broken down into Austronesian and Papuan. I am 88% Polynesian. I also took an Archaic test and matched bot 15 and 17 in Brazil.

[@q-wheuuatumai798]

Nice one m8, out of all the korero I've heard on this theory your's makes the most sense.

[@BigSirZebras]

4:19 Vietnam is hot all year round? This guy has never been to Da Lat. Is it cold by Japanese or European standards? No. Is it cold compared to Vietnam? Yes. I am here now. Most of the people wear winter clothes coverered by a plastic rain-proof poncho. There is also the north of Vietnam where you might even find snow. The Austronesians are not far from Da Lat even today. I am not saying Austronesians settled in cold areas but there are definitely cold areas not far from where Austronesians in Vietnam live today.

[@aremeaine]

Please read this book about the opposite Theory : Eden in the East: The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia - by Stephen Oppenheimer. The book is very good, and is an excellent example of a mainstream source challenging the existing paradigm. While I think that Oppenheimer overreaches a bit in placing the driving force of ancient civilization solely with the peoples of Southeast Asia, he makes a valuable contribution in drawing various lines of evidence together to show that -- far from the Austronesian homeland being Taiwan and involving an improbably difficult and rapid expansion into the Pacific -- the Austronesian homeland was the Dryas Ice Age-era Sunda shelf, which formed a single continent until successive floods (at approximately 14,000, 11,000, and 8,000 years BP) submerged it, leaving the Indonesian archipelago that we see today. A corollary of this is that, instead of Southeast Asian peoples arriving from the west and north and colonizing Southeast Asia a la the Out-of-Africa hypothesis, that they instead were already located in Sundaland in situ during the last Ice Age, and moved instead from Sundaland into Eurasia as their homeland was progressively flooded.

[@wwlee5]

All theories should be heard regardless if you agree with it or not.

[@ocheesy]

North Vietnam's winters are fairly cold too. Only the South is hot year round.

[@bobbynguyen9921]

In mountainous areas like Sapa it snows in the winter

[@kakistocracyusa]

Kudos on staying skeptical. Linguistics and art-work are not reliable metrics for formulating phylogenetic trees. Everyone is now promoting "Out-of-Taiwan" hypothesis for Austronesian pre-history as latest fad (particularly since the, even-longer-tenured "Out-of-China" hypothesis got destroyed by mitochondrial tracing), but very few want to substantiate it, because it is really just another hypothesis.

[@rico1357]

Are there any ships of any kind found in any ofthe areas of Japan, Korea, Taiwan, etc.? Are there any theories or remains of ships from ancient times. I would like to read about findings of ancient ships to determine who built the first ship, canoe, whatever.

[@Appachoppa112]

Wood boats from 1000s of years ago is most likely weathered away

[@hugocheng6243]

Yes , check one of tribes in Taiwan called Tao , they live on orchid island have special boat culture and still exist today

[@hentype]

The Japanese described a Shikoku "rice kingdom" of headhunters with body tattoos before the Yamatai unification. They probably were a group of Austronesians as well. Compared to Koreans, Japan as a conspicuously high Austronesian DNA especially in the south/west part of the archipelago.

[@scorchinggoat9589]

I am sure some lost Polynesian sailors landed in Australia but the land was too inhospitable or maybe the sea currents never brought them there.

[@serene4961]

Makes sense was very hot and dry, or aboriginals defended themselves

[@fadhil2831]

Well there some hypotesis that saying native makkasar of sulawesi travel and fishing Tripang in coast of darwin in northern australia

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@fadhil2831 it's not a hypothesis it totally happened, it's just that people can't agree when it started with some evidence suggesting the Makkasarese sailors have been trading with Australian aboriginal for 1,000 years while others say they only started 250 years ago.

[@fadhil2831]

@@ANTSEMUT1 wait really

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@fadhil2831 yeah but as i said nobody can agree when exactly, other than at least 250 years.

[@jovansalagma8601]

Im a cordilleran living here in Philippines, I always wonder where my ancestors living before they settled here in cordillera. I think a have a bit clear answer,

[@philoso377]

Nice video and presentation. The austronesian implies something in particular but Australia?

[@lexus3983]

I really believe this one because even us filipinos being recorded by the Spanish that we liked going back to the island where they were born or the place where their relatives died, its not a one stop travel, our ancestors motto is if there’s a sea theres a way, so yeah we Austronesians really are the master of the seas doing island hopping, even me have that itch to move island to island or abroad😂

[@Audisknfj]

8:30 actually coincided a lot with the founding myth of the Hmong people, who lived in southern China and indochina, but claim their ancestry from northern China (near modern day Beijing actually) and only moved south after the battle of Zhuolu some 4500 years ago. Coincidentally this form of southward migration is also seen with the Koreans who might have originated in southeastern Siberia, between the borders of modern Russia, Mongolia, and China. Although the Altaic language is no longer the most reasonable explanation for where the Korean language came from, it should be noted that Koreans might have had a great deal of interactions with Turks and Mongols and shared a good amount of vocabulary

[@dangabrieltorres1964]

I remember when 23andMe started testing people from Samoa and Tonga and it would come out 60-70% Filipino much to the confusion of the people who had never set foot in the Philippines and had no direct Filipino relatives.

[@crystaluwu1012]

Its because they are confusing the Austronesian genes to the Filipino genes since Filipinos have the highest rate of Austronesian genes through out all the Austronesian countries meaning the populations of the islands are majority Austronesian then they are negrito or other paleolithic ancestor. Anyways, if you are 100% sure you have no Filipino relatives or lineage then it most likely means you are 60-70% Austronesian, meaning your ancestors are mostly Austronesian and share the same ancestral heritage as some austronesian majority islands. If i am correct a great chunk of Indonesia and Malaysias population despite speaking an austronesian language have high levels of Austroasiatic genes particularly in eastern indonesia but in the west its less.

[@davidwilkie9551]

This is the Primary Aquisitionist's of Real Estate argument used to justify Conquest by Force of Arms, by exaggeration of superficial differences and ignoring the tendency of most humans to intermingle. Australians who were at home before the British Navy arrived, said that they belonged to the Land as much as any other life, and apparently the same idea is expressed in other people's histories worldwide.

[@apidas]

right, the language share could've been just these people interact/have contact with

[@ekananda9591]

I think out of Taiwan theory is the right one. I've seen videos in KZbin channel about different languages in taiwanese aborigin and they're completely different beasts. Meanwhile Indonesia, Malaysia and Philippines have many similar words and it looks like more homogeneous than those tribes in Taiwan

[@H0B0J03]

The indigenous Taiwanese dialect is almost identical to the dialect in Batanes (northern most islands of the Philippines)

[@ey1548]

May be the people of taiwan came from the Philippines

[@alfarwqro]

Cannot be. The Philippines languages are related more closely to just one of the 8 or 10 different languages of Taiwan. The whole malay polynesian languages are just a small branch of the more diversified Taiwanese language family. The highest diversity is in Taiwan not in the rest of the Pacific. Very logical theory

[@AMM0beatz]

Not dialect, but language. Big difference.

[@Diaramamond]

Nice vid on one of my favorite topics since my Anthropology studying days. It's a bit weird that you say "There is some early evidence that they reached South America afterwards" when there is the concrete evidence of the Kumara which is a well known proof that they went to South America before New Zealand.

[@sylviahuitson8309]

Maori do not seem to me to be anything like Australian Aborigines. There are quite a few documentaries of Maori visiting Taiwan and finding real connection with the Taiwanese, many who do not consider they are Chinese. Traveling through the Pacific I found Tahitians and Maquesas to be very like Maori. Just exploring if the Marquesans traveled to Hawaii, or vice versa. Very interesting and the Austrasion language makes sense to me. The continent of Zelandia discovered in 2017, separated from Gondwana prior to the dinosaurs becoming extinct. This might explain why Australia is not part of the Pacific peopled countries. In the 17th century a large number of Chinese were taken to Taiwan, accounting for 95% of the population of Taiwan now being Han Chinese.

[@shazmosushi]

Viewers may have heard of Gavin Menzies book "1421: The Year China Discovered the World", which theorizes Zheng He visited the Americas (pre-Columbus) and his vice admiral Hong Bao visited Australia and just of the coast of Antarctica. Scientific inquiry of whether or not the Taiwanese aboriginals (Polynesian heritage) settled all of Polynesia and Australia is a good thing, but the spread of false historical narrative like Menzies, and the sudden appearance of maps purportedly date from hundreds of years ago showing the landmass of Australian and Antarctica may form the basis of territorial claims over not just Australia, but also Antarctica. Just something for clear-eyed Asianometry viewers to keep an eye out for.

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@elizardoBeatlesfan]

the visayan native people has record journey to taiwan and china. also contribute great effect of austranesian nations.

[@jade5202]

you mean back when they were called pisheya pirates?

[@andilouis8770]

​@@jade5202dutch (european language) to siraya (extinct formosan language) bible scripture was in use of a bisaya man.

[@raphlvlogs271]

the Austronesian culturalsphere was eventually replaces by various other mainstream cultures.

[@thecuriouscursor]

So Moana is for Austronesians, while Raya is for Austroasiatic people.

[@fubytv731]

I agree though, it's still just a theory. There's some cultural transfer, but Taiwanese people as genetic ancestor is still not a conclusive fact.

[@totalchaos7112]

you were all connected because we all chew the betel nut.

[@saminator3563]

Australia isnt included in this group because they were already there a long time before the Austronesian ancestors left Taiwan

[@casper-z9rkls6gl]

Okay, another "mystery": How come the people of SEA tend to be rather small, whereas the Polynesians are one of the biggest and physically strongest races in the world? Even though they are less than a million Polynesians in the US, they are over-represented in American NFL football, more so per capita than even African-Americans.

[@scorchinggoat9589]

Polynesians would have needed stockier bodies and slow metabolisms to survive long voyages to different islands.

[@yournoneexistencefather5869]

Adaption, In Africa There's a a tribe which is really tall and there's also a tribe with a really small stature.

[@scorchinggoat9589]

@@yournoneexistencefather5869 the tall "tribe" (is actually an ethnic group called Nilotes with many different people groups) is an adaptation in hot savannas where having slender tall bodies helps you sweat more and not get as hot. also the pygmies adapted to be short statured as it is easier to get through thick rainforest when you are smaller

[@kentheathen6561]

its because not all polynesians descended from actual sea ppl. a lot of them descended from melanesians n island aboriginals but their culture and everything originated from austronesian ppl. melanesians n aboriginals back then were only hunter gatherers but when the austronesians arrived on their islands, they then adapted their culture,etc and abandoned their old hunting lifestyle. another thing is that polynesians never developed an intense agricultural lifestyle and never developed any plant based diet, they were mostly protein based. having such diet and lifestyle can indeed affect growth and it is seen throughout a lot of civilizations who have and have developed agricultural societies. lastly, SEA was subjected to extreme and rabid colonization for 300-400 years that led the native population impoverished and malnutritious. this is basic science, im sure u already know the effects of it. evolution can also be a likely explanation. oh and not to mention, a decent amount of polynesians nowadays especially those living in the west have European blood in them.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@scorchinggoat9589 that's the most popular hypothesis, the smaller polynesian just didn't make it on the journey so they couldn't have babies to carry on their genetic legacy.

[@eklim2034]

All Austronesian languages at all levels have distinct words for ours (inclusive) and ours (exclusive). Most major languages families don't have such distinction and rely on context or words tweaking except minority of their branch dialects.

[@tomhalla426]

There is a tendency to conflate the language one speaks with ones ancestry. From what I can tell, maybe one or two of my great grandparents came from English speaking countries by ancestry.

[@jackwt7340]

You were not employed by eetimes at that time?

[@machinelearningid3931]

this the theory that Indonesian education use, explaining where indonesian people came from.

[@naufalfdhrm]

Apakah kurikulum sekolah sekarang sudah mengajarkan teori out of taiwan? Syukurlah kalau udah, berarti tinggal nunggu satu generasi (15 tahunan) kita akan paham dan bangga akan austronesia

[@anomalianomali5080]

@@naufalfdhrm dulu yg diajarin cuma teori out of Yunan kayaknya

[@isfiya8961]

Tetapi semua itu berlaku lama dahulu.. sebelum bangsa han membuat peradaban di china dan belum ada bangsa china di taiwan.. makanya, austronesia bukan berbangsa china..

[@haritsdarwienm5886]

@Amoled Nanman tribe of Southern China -> Taiwanese Aboriginals -> Philippines -> Indonesian Archipelago -> Remote Pacific & Madagascar.

[@haritsdarwienm5886]

@Kardus Susu ya, masih dipelajari teori proto & deutro Melayu padahal udah outdated tu teori.

[@BLACK_LIVES_MATTER64]

Liangdao Man is oldest Austronesian Fossil found in Southern Coast of China discovered in 2011.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

You mentioned testing of paternal lineage DNA, but the clearer picture of austronesian admixture outside of Taiwan is presented in the matrilineal lineage AKA mitochondrial DNA. The clearest being autosomal DNA testing.

[@Asianometry]

As with everything in genetics, such studies have been debated. I would probably defer to the archaeology and linguistics over the genetic studies at this point in time.

[@jscreationscircus]

I’m a perfect example of this, I’m part Māori through my fathers line and on my DNA test it says I’m Austronesian. I’m a female though, so it checked only my maternal line, but it was my autosomal DNA that revealed this as I do not have Māori on my other side of the family

[@notanothermichael4676]

Autosomal DNA paints the most clear picture, mtdna is as elusive as y-dna. Mtdna mutates at a slower rate than ydna so most mtdna data would reflect earlier paleolithic migrations rather than recent Neolithic migrations like the Out-of-Taiwan

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@notanothermichael4676 that's true.

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@kreativeforce532]

10:15 incorrect. the idea and obsession with coming from somewhere else is strictly a european affliction. Do non-europeans move, sure we do. We're just not fixated on your "valid human = originating from a holier land" concept.

[@jbeason2929]

I find it hard to believe that Melanesians trace their roots to Formosa. That maybe the case for Micronesians and Polynesians, but not Melanesians. Just based on their physical looks alone, they resemble Australian natives much more. Plus they have alot genetic anomalies that the other pacific ethnic groups don't have like natural blonde hair and they lack of a epicanthic fold that can be found in the other pacific island ethnic groups. I think its far more believable that Melanesians trace their roots to Australia instead. From what I understand about the region, the reason why Australian aborigines aren't considered apart of the Formosa migration is because the aborigines trace their roots back to ancient hominids from Africa that traveled along the southern Asian coast line where they were able to settle in Sahul (what is now Australia and New Guinea that was once connected). Once the land bridge disappeared due to raising sea levels, the aborigines remained pretty isolated.

[@kidmanila2160]

In dought Filipinos island natives are melanesian they are the most beautiful KZbin Filipino negrito aeta some have Filipino faces with afro and slightly blond hair also in dought youtube Filipino sea gypsie badjao they live in the ocean in the Philippines ocean and Indonesian and Malaysia but there Filipinos and there beautiful since the settled in the Philippines the polynesians are mixed with Filipina and melanesian from papua DNA proves it and words mata eye man lalaki wrong sala chicken manok and numbers 5 lima

[@hanggaraaryagunarencagutuh7072]

@@kidmanila2160 Well, ancient Sumatrans were also Negritos.

[@aaroniouse]

We need an out of Tibet theory for the Manchus, Ainu, and people of the Amur river. There is a big hole in our human history and countless people were slaughtered because they didn't fit into the Russian/Chinese archetypes.

[@jvilla0793]

Any one here know why Australia wasn’t one of the places they went to?

[@mhdfrb9971]

Easy. Australia already inhabited by the aboriginal about 40000 years ago

[@jvilla0793]

@@mhdfrb9971 wasn’t the Philippines also already inhabited by the Aetas?

[@mhdfrb9971]

@@jvilla0793 you right. But your question said Australia not Philippines

[@jvilla0793]

@@mhdfrb9971 I asked why they didn’t go to Australia and u said because it was already inhabited… but the Philippines was inhabited and they went there. Not really sure how else to explain my question lol.

[@paulfri1569]

Dangerous for human habitation. Everything wants to kill you..

[@wanasmav]

Where were Malayan aka Austro before Taiwan ??? The theory by Professor Oppeihmmer, Out Of Eden from Sundaland make more sense and logic. The biggest evidence? The Super Volcano of Danau Toba. Go & check for yourself, how huge is Toba Super Volcano

[@BowlofIndoMee]

What's before Taiwan?

[@jfranklin9549]

SE China.

[@notdpanda9525]

New papers show that the Polynesians contacted the native Americans once around 800 years ago.

[@jade5202]

I think the accepted theory is that the Native Americans reached Fatu Hiva first (because there was a current leading there) and then they met the Polynesians and mixed together

[@toda822]

Madagasker?

[@jade5202]

yes Malagasy people of Madagasar are Blasian. Their closest Austronesian relative are in Indonesia

[@shazmosushi]

Continuing on from your video on Hua Mulan, this song (which most Asianometry viewers would not be familiar with) is about the island hopping settlement of Polynesia: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5O9o3Sjh92sla8 (Interestingly enough it's by Lin-Manuel Miranda, who wrote the musical Hamilton about United States independence)

[@Asianometry]

I love that song. It’s interesting to think about the distant connection between Taiwan and this movie.

[@Kim-cj2ds]

@@Asianometry what it have anything to do with taiwan?

[@harrykekgmail]

thank you! You made it clear that it is a theory. Give a decade or two and hopefully, with more advanced technology and in archaeological digs, the scientists can confirm this.

[@GoreGahan]

I hope, by theory, you don't mean a hunch or speculation. Because the Austronesian theory is not that. Instead, the theory explains observed facts and is backed up by linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence. EDIT: OK after finishing the video, I now know why you said what you said. The narrator himself does not seem to know the difference between the colloquial and the scientific meanings of the word theory.

[@ilikesleepingbaka956]

man I just wanna learn abt my ancestry I’m 15th gen Taiwanese and this shit is confusing me

[@serene4961]

This won’t apply to u if your family stayed in taiwan, these are the ones who left and changed

[@trevs9925]

It won't apply to you if you're not indeginous Taiwanese.

[@eastcoastsailingcenter7768]

Is this an alternative to the austro/Indo pacific expansion ?

[@vantatilfly]

saging is banana always have been

[@oceanheadted]

Super interesting video, thanks for doing the research!

[@TheDreamanilaNetwork]

Goodness, how lazy it is not to note the actual “austronesian” words against the english equivalents

[@Savagefire685]

Where did the Taiwanese people originate from in the old world were they Egyptians?

[@noeltewhaiti4403]

Some Egyptians believe that we are, not all though all I know is that we come from the Pacific and we are from many different cultures and languages but Austronesian is our old language that ties all the Pacific people together

[@matthewmann8969]

Yeah much of the Furmosen genetics have been either wiped out, assimilated, integrated, blended, or evolved

[@enricovillanueva9978]

Genetic testing? It's readily available.

[@pikminlord343]

Another great video

[@joachimkodak7644]

Did they arrive to North America as well, and become the First Nation/Native Americans ? Are there similitudes between Taiwan tribes languages (Austronesian?) and native Americans primitive languages?

[@notchurka3332]

None. The only similarity is that there Formosan totem poles and only highland tribes do it. It's just pure coincidence. North Americans come from Ancient North Eurasians

[@zairatulumierah9436]

@@notchurka3332 no,South Americans are Polynesian

[@fadhil2831]

@@zairatulumierah9436 nope they are amerindian,there reason why they have austronesia genetic because of contact with polynesia the same way polynesia have melanesian genetic

[@captainjacksparrow7376]

The Brown Race or what academician called Austronesian is indeed span from Madagasdar to Hawaii,Taiwan to Australia..sharing quite similiar language,clothing,and attitude.. But what this video missing to mention that this brown race also used to live in the land that now called Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam..however due to centuries of war between them and the Viet people coming from southern China,they leave or assimilate in that land and still can be trace by their brown skin in current Cambodia,Thailand and Vietnam.. But what i think doesn't quite makes sense is this race originate from Taiwan,which in turn originate from Yunnan.. Yunnan is not brown skin..even Taiwan is not fully brown skin..and considering they originate from there,there should be many brown skin population from their original land then migrate downward..does that makes sense.. It is more plausible that this brown race originate from an oldest race of similar colour from middle east or africa (earliest human)..and settle in big continent before they migrate outwards from south east asia (i.e indonesia,malaysia,filipina) to Taiwan,Cambodia,Thailand,Australia,Hawaii,Fiji,New Zealand,Madagascar,and other islands..the reason this migration happen because of climate change and rising sea level which is known as the Great Flood during ice age melting..

[@captainjacksparrow7376]

Formosa (Taiwan) have many Austronesian language variation from current Indonesia,Malaysia and Philippines because it is the last island settled in by Austronesian people..not the origin..but the last one..given time hundred years,they may as well speak similar variation in one island..that makes better sense.. For example now they speak more Mandarin because there are many Taiwanese-Chinese people.. If Austronesian people really comes from Yunnan China to Taiwan,their language should have sounded or have words derived from Chinese or Tibetan..but thats not the case.. Variations in Austronesian language happen because of place they settled in and borrow words from other language (they dont have writing system so language is their primary communication unlike chinese which have writing)..until later that austronesian at the land use sanskrit (from india) to write and after that jawi (derived from arabic) and now roman alphabet..

[@ELVIR2]

tell me this is false i dont wanna be associated with 👨🏿and 👳🏿‍♂️ in short (🦍)

[@ELVIR2]

NO OFFENSE THOUGH

[@hiphopandpop]

Austronesian is Mongoloid race that's why taiwanese native retain their mongoloids features. While those who migrated to island south east asian they intermix to Negritos and others earlier population. That's the brown skin came

[@aldas9174]

WE ARE THE GREATEST SAILORS

[@ECGgroup]

They definitely made it to South America before New Zealand. Kūmara are native to South America along with several species of potato. These were brought to NZ the waka when Polynesians settled here. There's also shared DNA between South Americans and NZ Māori (I'm about 20% Māori and 2% South American according to Ancestry). Also shared DNA with Rapanui and several other island nations.

[@514Exc]

I think we should start looking at the bloodwork to find origins. Africas east/south east the main blood type is 0, almost all indegenous groups ive come across has main blood type 0. Other then Mongols/Europeans who most commonly have A. We need to combine data to get a bigger pictture. I dont believe this theory holds much weight.

[@ginoangeles5260]

they already have done bloodwork. just google it lol

[@jade5202]

Blood type O have better chances against Malaria and other mosquito diseases. Colder areas like Europe might have less mosquitos.

[@bonepheslmuakihpapar4457]

Does that proven by genetic studies? As far as we know... Taiwan Aborigines are quite young compared to the people in Sundaland. Even younger than Borneo indigenous.. simply to say... Taiwan Indigenous people are descended from the South.

[@jade5202]

I read that the Borneans have different ancestors, they just adopted the austronesian language. I think Filipino Negritos speak Austronesian too

[@bonepheslmuakihpapar4457]

@jade5202 you and I have to refer more on the gene studies. Language can be adopted but gene cannot. You inherited what as it is

[@medit8iv_native970]

The out of Taiwan doesn't work because maori in polynesia have y dna from Indonesia not just from Taiwan, its actually older than the aboriginals, haplogroup c2, the same as the first American natives.

[@scorchinggoat9589]

obviously they would have intermixed with natives as they went from Taiwan to new zealand

[@medit8iv_native970]

@@scorchinggoat9589 exactly, the og line is haplogroup c

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@mrfin02]

Polynesians (Maori included) have native American dna traces. We also have Asian DNA aswell. Many have lost it due to mixing with other ethnicities.

[@BarHawa]

@@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i thank you for connecting everything

[@Kimloveshercoffee]

"...but the reality is that we all gotta come from somewhere. And if you really wanna go back, then you can say that we are all natives of outer space because the atoms in our bones come from the stars." DUDE what in the Carl Sagan did you just say? HAHA it caught me off guard and got me giggling. 10/10 for cuteness and eloquence lol

[@hiphopandpop]

Austronesian, Austroasiatic, tai Kradai people were all mongoloids race (DNA paternal O) the only reasons why South East Asia got browner in skintone compare to the northern mongoloids is because 2 reason 1. Austroloids (negritos)admixture 2. Hot weather

[@cutievielselee6350]

I agree for this.

[@ConradSalapuddin]

The Out-of-Taiwan Hypothesis has already been debunked by Maximillian Larena 2021 Genetics Study. The latter is completely congruent to Out-of-Sundaland hypothesis by Oppenheimer relative to migration of Austronesians to the Philippines from Sundaland sub-continent.

[@WhiteJadeTiger98]

Has this guy not noticed that Australian aborigines aren't Austronesian?...

[@kentchamberlain5720]

I dunno, this has been proven to the satisfaction of most people working in the field. Sure, we'd love better evidence, but these people were illiterate and didn't leave written accounts for us. Looking at their language, genetics, and physical cultural artifacts like pottery is pretty much all we're ever going to have to go by. They almost certainly reached South America too. Even if sweet potatoes somehow were growing in the Pacific before the Polynesians showed up, there's no way that the Polynesian words for it would all be cognates of the Quechua word for it unless they got it from them. The seafaring abilities of the coastal peoples of South America are apparently such that they could have reached Rapa Nui in their canoes once they knew that it existed and where to sail, and genetic evidence suggests that they probably did. But the Polynesians probably reached South America first. And not just South America. The Chumash nation of California are legally recorded as Native Americans, but their traditions strongly suggest a Polynesian origin. We also have records from a Native traveller from the 1700s named Moncacht Ape (check him out sometime, he's as accomplished and interesting a traveller as Marco Polo or ibn Battuta) interacting with Native Hawaiians sailing to the coast of Oregon to harvest dye from some kind of tree that is now probably extinct.

[@jade5202]

bro you're cool but we were not illiterate. We had scripts written in palm leaves but they don't preserve well and colonization made it fall into disuse.

[@travisdom9391]

ladies and gentlemen... my all Austronesian brothers and sisters.... let us all claim back Taiwan!!! 😂 kidding aside...let us put into agreement that all Austroneseans should protect and love each other!!!!!! let us all create an austronesian continent with a united goal....one united language, one currency, free visa among each austronesian nations, austronesean entrrtainments to boosy our oneness like Austronesians Got Talent, the Voice of Austronesia...the amazing austranesia race, astronesia cup, Aba or Astonesia Basketball Association..... let's get done with westerns and kpops and make our own celebration of unity!!!!! brown and proud!!!!

[@ndorobei4391]

All Austronesian languages are similar, especially the number, even in Java island, the Southernmost islands. I'm from Java. ✌️

[@gracetsai]

This interpretation that Austronesian languages originate from the island of Taiwan is akin to saying that, because Min-nan dialects in Taiwan, Hokkien, Teochew are most similar to Old Chinese as spoken over 2000 years ago, Chinese originate from the island of Taiwan. This out-of- Taiwan theory is so fake. Instead, it is much more likely that Old Chinese and Old Austronesian were preserved on the island, not because the island is the site of origin, but because of isolation effect.

[@gracetsai]

Similarly, only the people of Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan continue to write traditional Chinese characters nowadays. People on Mainland China have abandoned traditional Chinese characters after 1949 and evolved to write simplified Chinese characters. Does that mean Chinese characters originate from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau?

[@aurelian2668]

You're right but because there are no more Austronesian speaking people in south china, we can instead look to Taiwan as the origin.

[@mubpfc]

This isn't a theory anymore. Its FACT

[@bunnyking4938]

They do not come out of taiwan taiwan comes out of the polynesians 7000yrs ago a red race fought their across china building waka and headed east out into the pacific this story is recorded by the chinese president Xi of china came to New zealand 2and half years ago and talked about

[@magnetospin]

Don't cultures borrow words from others all the time? We do it on a daily basis all over the world. McDonalds is called McDonalds in all languages all over the world. How can you say a people is descended from another based just on words used?

[@HudaefCares]

Actually, it's different depending on the country. In the Philippines they're called "McDo", (Makdo-) in Korea it's "Makdeo", in Japan it's either "Makku" or "Makudo". In some western countries it's "Micky D's". But all of them could be traced back to the rootword "McDonald's".

[@hentype]

It's more complicated than you think. Linguists look at different languages, their cognates, and the morphisms they underwent and theoretically underwent through years and formulate a theory from it. They are able to make a rough timeline out of those data.

[@hobog]

Is this info+research being commandeered by the CCP or hawkish Taiwan establishments?

[@SuperValue350]

@Goosa Poosa the "BIG BAD SEE SEE PEE" lives rent free in many people's heads. It's incurable I'm afraid.

[@manuelquiero]

It is a fact that many Southeast Asian and East Asian tribes/groups were once settled the southern chinese coast

[@斯卡蕾特芙兰朵露-x1i]

Historical cause At that time, the Xia Dynasty had not been established, and there was no concept of a country. Before the Xia Dynasty, some brown races in Fujian developed slowly, and the Central Plains culture did not involve the Fujian region. Around the Spring and Autumn Period, the first slavery country, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom", was established in Fujian. Until the early years of the Qin Dynasty, after the Qin destroyed Chu and Yue, it continued to invade the Fujian region. At that time, the southernmost point of the Yue Kingdom was Wenzhou in Zhejiang Province, and further south was the category of the "Bulou Kingdom". "The Kingdom of Bulou" all over the country desperately resisted the invasion of the Qin Dynasty, but it was ultimately defeated. Part of the brown race fled to Taiwan, and the remaining "Gulou citizens" accepted the subsidiary rule of the Qin Dynasty. After the fall of Qin, the "King of Fulou" was free again, but the time limit was short. Soon Liu Bang's army invaded the border of the Kingdom of Fulou. Due to the great disparity in power, the "Kuo Lou Kingdom" was defeated again and became a dependent country of the Han Dynasty, and was renamed "Min Yue Kingdom". In the period of Emperor Wu of the Han Dynasty, Minyue State was abolished and became a county. Since then, Minyue State has been destroyed and became part of the Han Dynasty. In order to disintegrate the survivors of Fujian and Vietnam, Emperor Wu of the Han killed their nobles and elders. Some of the survivors fled to the Taiwan area, while the remaining part was isolated by the northern races, and finally disappeared in the Fujian area due to various reasons. This is why modern Fujianese contain a large amount of O3 in the north and a small part of O2 in Baiyue, but not M1 and M2 in the South Island. Today's Fujianese belong to the yellow race, the descendants of the fusion of the northern Han and Baiyue people, but not the descendants of the Austronesians. The Austronesians belong to the brown race or the brown white race, and their genetics are different from the modern Fujianese.

[@bisdakpinoy3428]

GENESIS 11:8 So the *LORD* *scattered* *them* *abroad* from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.

[@Redsson56]

I don’t think the theory is that humans evolved independently in two places on earth. Evidence shows Homo Sapiens came out of Africa much before the events you discuss. I would think a pertinent question is how might the original Austronesians came to be in Taiwan or southern China or Vietnam.

[@ANTSEMUT1]

Where did you get that impression?

[@Redsson56]

I apologize if I have offended anyone. I understand that Creationists are comfortable with the idea humans have existed only 6,000 years or so. My statement makes three or four different points. It seems you are questioning one. Could you be more specific please?

[@ANTSEMUT1]

@@Redsson56 this isn't talking about when Taiwan was initially peopled by proto-austronesian of course they migrated from somewhere else, which eventually leads us back to Africa circa 80,000 years ago when the humans first Venture beyond their home continent. Mentioning that is redundant we already know that, what we want to know is; are the indigenous people of Taiwan ethnolinguistic/ethnographic mother of the rest austronesia.

[@Redsson56]

@@ANTSEMUT1 You are absolutely right. My original comment was pretty dumb. I should have educated myself more before documenting my ignorance. It is significant that the amazing Austronesian people originated in Taiwan. I appreciate the video very much. And I appreciate your comment.

[@scorchinggoat9589]

this man is not a creationist and obviously humans would have had to cross from somewhere on mainland Taiwan but after thousands and thousands of years of isolation they are now mostly unrelated linguistically. stop tying to sound clever in youtuber comments by going on about how humans came from Africa even though we already know that.

[@peter308]

Taiwan is 36,000 km^2 in area. It is hard to believe why the ancestors of Austronesian didn't want just to settled down on the big island, and decided to move to other places. They need some drives to do that, don't they?

[@BBarNavi]

Do you have any idea about Taiwanese geography?

[@jade5202]

you forgot that Taiwan is mountainous. Funny how Filipino mountain tribes Mountain-maxxed though

[@mahmudmarsudi4430]

I am Javanese, i agree

[@Kim-cj2ds]

agree to what? your statement is ambiguous

[@highartandcriticism7803]

Blust's theory is now supported by DNA. The peoples of the Amazon basin exhibit DNA originally inherited from Denisovan parentage but later characterized by austral-asian descendency.

[@dexschris3996]

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34552258/

[@gungatz6696]

Why do people always assume that Austronesians are Malay. When the first islands that the Austronesian arrived in, was the philippines. So. huh? , how exactly are Filipinos Malay? Malay in my perspective is just the combination of two major people race mixed into a single race. Mainly south Asian mixed with Austronesian. While filipinos are a Mixed of indigenous people, mixed with Austronesians. ( What the European referred to as Nigritos, even though they aren't even remotely African by blood )

[@mountainrock7682]

True. Malay fanatics are always quick to say that "Filipinos are Malays" when they don't even have the evidence to prove it.

[@zairatulumierah9436]

Malay only mixed with South asian later,almost malay have more austrosiatic and Austronesian.

[@cikhitammanis5285]

South Asian is a much later admixture. Their ancestry is mainly a mix of Negrito, Austroasiatic and Austronesian.

[@gungatz6696]

@@cikhitammanis5285 What are you on about the Negrito people groups aren't even in places like Indonesia and Malaysia, the Negritos were a specific group that can only be found in the Philippines that's exactly as to why they are called Negrito as in Negro meaning black in Spanish, you might be referring to groups that probably aren't even Negritos at all they're probably a whole other group.

[@cikhitammanis5285]

@@gungatz6696 uh we do have Negritos in Malaysia. They are also known as the Semang people. Just look it up. They still exist.

[@Lawi_Jake]

Sugarcane in Bisaya language is 'Tubo'.

[@justinnamuco9096]

If the theory is proven to be true, then it's a fact.

[@vuniwaipeter5796]

Follow the science - DNA and linguistics. I google searched : DNA admixture of the Fijians because they are the gateway to Polynesia . It says Asians and 30% Melanesian. The result was interesting because it disagrees with what some of the so called experts are saying.

[@crystaluwu1012]

Native people can assimilate a language genes and language often do not coincide because we know other non native people can use a language like how modern Mexicans are mostly from the native Aztec even though they speak the language of a colonizer instead of Nuhatl and other local/native languages.

[@hentype]

If my guess is right, cold wind is that particular strong cold winds from the north (Siberia and Japan) we experience around mid-late winter blowing southwards through SEA. We have a name for that particular word here.

[@AMM0beatz]

Outrigger canoe was probably originated in philippines and indonesia (wallacea) since its not present taiwan.

[@seannwilliam9557]

Canoes are present in the Taiwanese tribe called 'Yami' but those people are a reverse migration from the Philippines.