Asians Are "White Adjacent"? HUH?

[@HigkeyRegarded007]

This has been discussed before and as a mixed black man it’s seems reductive to say Asians are white adjacent since Asians themselves aren’t a monolith. There’s nuance to it. When people say white adjacent Asians I think they’re mostly thinking of Asians that assimilate to white suburban culture and tend to be lighter skinned Asians (east Asians). People also have to realize that although America is diverse and places like NYC are really diverse there are still a ton of ethnic enclaves and there are many that don’t really venture out of that bubble for numerous reasons but it mostly comes back to culture. There’s a strong intersectionality to racial hierarchies, I.e. although Asians do well economically and contribute greatly to companies they work for they had the lowest rate of being chosen for leadership positions. They also sometimes encounter the glass ceiling from their more competitive white counterparts. There’s also Indians who aren’t light skinned but can be even more white adjacent in their thought process than East Asians (Vivek ramaswamy & Ann Coulter Incident). For the most part the Asians that are white adjacent tend to be motivated by status, family values, culture and community. Even in places like China and India if you’re from certain regions separated by a few hundred miles families don’t want you marrying their son/daughter. There’s many layers to it and it’s annoying to keep hearing all these articles pushing narratives that generalize a group.

[@armorbearer9702]

Well said

[@HELLOPuppet]

Blks will always strive to be the victims they won't tell you how many opportunities they've had they won't tell you how they have stolen cultures from everybody including Asians Latinos and Native Americans and they call it Black Culture so they have made a name for themselves using other people's while helping the white man suppress all these other minorities by creating the illusion that they are the most oppressed

[@dannytadashi4235]

Hey The smallest Joe higkey, I have to disagree with you about what you said China and India will not allow you to marry their son / daughter who live a few hundreds miles apart. That is just BS 💩 and nonsense because that doesn’t apply to China that I know my Chinese people from China too dame well. We Chinese married other Chinese from far away different region all the time even more than a thousand miles away. I know my awesome country China 🇨🇳 too dame well. What you say does apply to Indian though. because India is a one F*** up country and they have F*** up system call caste system which we Chinese don’t believe and don’t have these nonsense caste system HAHAHAHAHA LOL 😃😃😃👍👍👍 love my awesome and beautiful China always 💕💕💕🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 love Vietnam💕💕💕🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳 love Russia💕💕🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺 love Thailand💕💕💕🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭 love Myanmar💕💕💕🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲 love Cambodia💕💕💕🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭 love Laos💕💕🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦 love Singapore💕💕💕🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩 love Malaysia💕💕💕🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾.

[@dannytadashi4235]

Fung Bros: Asians Are "White Adjacent"? HUH?

[@dannytadashi4235]

Hey The smallest Joe higkey, I have to disagree with you about what you said China and India will not allow you to marry their son / daughter who live a few hundreds miles apart. That is just BS 💩 and nonsense because that doesn’t apply to China that I know my Chinese people from China too dame well. We Chinese married other Chinese from far away different region all the time even more than a thousand miles away. I know my awesome country China 🇨🇳 too dame well. What you say does apply to Indian though. because India is a one F*** up country and they have F*** up system call caste system which we Chinese don’t believe and don’t have these nonsense caste system HAHAHAHAHA LOL 😃😃😃👍👍👍 love my awesome and beautiful China always 💕💕💕🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳 love Vietnam💕💕💕🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳 love Russia💕💕🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺 love Thailand💕💕💕🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭🇹🇭 love Myanmar💕💕💕🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲🇲 love Cambodia💕💕💕🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭🇰🇭 love Laos💕💕🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦 love Singapore💕💕💕🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩 love Malaysia💕💕💕🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾.

[@user-fb6hy2eh5y]

Any Asian working in corporate America know we are NOT equal.

[@jason4275]

true, Asians are always in 2nd position and not taking charge to be the boss.

[@user-fb6hy2eh5y]

@@jason4275 Nvidia, Fundstrat, Zoom, etc., the only way is to start a company. Not many are appointed like Citadel Securities, AMD, soon to be Tesla. It’s okay though, those that only appoint white will fade away like intel and ibm.

[@user-fb6hy2eh5y]

@@jason4275 Nvidia, Fundstrat, Zoom, etc., the only way is to start a company. Not many are appointed like Citadel Securities, AMD, soon to be Tesla. It’s okay though, those that only appoint white will fade away like intel and ibm.

[@hannah60000]

I guess white women could say the same thing, no?

[@Yan-tz9pn]

Depends on your flavour of white. In Europe, east Asians are just the same as us all. West Asians (Muslims) get the raw end of the stick here

[@Raithwal]

Recent? This isn't recent. I've seen articles and discussions about this since 2010s.

[@cottagegymfun]

More like 1960s

[@ohnosmoarlulcatz]

It's been re-emphasized a lot more since the pandemic and the whole college acceptance stuff.

[@tjungnyc]

Yes, it’s been around even in the 80s and much common in the 90s.

[@ryantucker2166]

This is anything but recent.

[@bastait]

why do you care oh wait nvm see your profile picture i forgot for some people hating my race is their entire personality. due too historical illiteracy.

[@GabrieI69]

Can Asians just be Asians?

[@coolbreeze5683]

Ikr! Why when a group becomes educated, successful, have some sort of power, we have to compare them to whites? Let's just say they are a successful group and elevate them instead of saying they have to "live up to" whites as some kind of standard.

[@lemonsourmaster99]

@@coolbreeze5683 factsss

[@sjacks3281]

How about they not be Asians and just be whatever ethnic group they actually are?

[@Drownedinblood]

When we are Asians, we are seen as outsiders, and treated bad. Assimilation mentality is born from thinking that if we drop our Asianess and just hard adopt other people's cultures and behaviors here we'll be accepted. This has obviously not really worked and now we still get treated like shit and we often don't even see things from an Asian perspective which is where you get boba liberals and cons who champion usually white or black issues, and are ignorant of or downplay Asian issues to be solved. So we get hate still, but now people also claim we "have no culture" or we're not original because we hard adopted other people's to try and not get hate crimed.

[@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn]

​@@coolbreeze5683most that I know have this weird obsessions with white contemporaries

[@rl8571]

Yes. Filipino here with some East Asian descent. As a high paid analyst me, 1 white guy, 1 hispanic girl from el salvador, and 1 girl from india.. discussing salary and promotions. The two girls were arguing society favors white men and i immediately interject it was not true because i get promoted just as fast as white men.. i was immediately dismissed and told Asian males count as White males. Jaw drop.. didn’t even bother sharing some advice on what habits and approaches i have to make myself promotable as their minds are already closed. Yes.. they see us as white at the workplace. My 2 degrees, deans lister, and ability to code in java, sql, phyton, as well as having a cpa never counted to me getting ahead of everyone.

[@mikeyrose4183]

Lol youre funny

[@noodlehoppa7212]

I’m also Filipino and I will be the one to tell you those white people use you as a token to the other minorities to say “see if he can do it he can too”. You’re a model minority my guy lol

[@calc1657]

I think the point from your colleagues was that without being 'White Adjecent', you would've had a much harder time getting ahead.

[@bastait]

you are your own person brother and have your own culture ignore the fools in this world. mark twain said never argue with the less intelligent they will pull you into the mud and win on sheer experience. everyone born was made in gods own image and all have equal value until they prove otherwise.

[@riiraa881]

You are one person. What do the stats say about promotion of non-white men. Are you the rule or are you the exception?

[@weifan9533]

As a 50% Southwest Chinese / 50% North Chinese mixed person, I don't identify myself as white or white adjacent at all. I choose to cherish my South Chinese heritage. I'm infatuated with the history, languages, cultures, and arts of South and Southwest China as well as SE Asia, I think those regions are the most underrated ones when it comes to history and culture. Plus the women and men in those regions are generally good-looking with large eyes and olive skin. And East Asians generally don't want to admit this but IMHO SE Asian features are more desired globally speaking than East Asian ones.

[@j.t1682]

I am East Asian central Asian mix and as pale as an Irish person. I consider myself a yellow man and am happy to be one. I don't want to be white and I don't believe they are better off than me.

[@Gilgamesh465]

lol says the guy that has a michael corleone profile pic…

[@powlowful]

East Asian Women are white adjacent for sure? 😅

[@Snorlaxlovecrunchwrap]

Blame Asian women 😂

[@Elkcib]

Bananas don’t fall far from the trees.

[@Moralityadvocate23]

@@Snorlaxlovecrunchwrap I blame Asian men. It's all your fault we are like this! You hear me!?! Your fault!

[@tiger2eye]

Are you sure that it isn't the case that white men are Asian adjacent? Of all the non-Asian men that I have seen, white men are more likely to have a greater appreciation and knowledge of traditional Asian culture than their colored counterparts.

[@MMAWARRIOR20]

Gotta love “the reverse stormfront” that comes out in these threads about culture/ethnicity sometimes. Talking to you specifically crowns. Asian guys aren’t a monolith. But I am curious to see your point of you. Do you mind explaining?

[@wontononionslicer1004]

listen, to me as a second generation chinese living in eu, I only have a chinese name all my life, nobody can tell me i am white adjacent. Plus, over here, I will never ever be considered a local, so why bother. I fit in as I am able to be, if confrontation happens, I turn around.

[@rfc3133]

True, bc Indians who came to the USA are mostly highly educated. Wheras in the UK, it's mostly poorer, Pakistanis and religious extremists from war zones.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Nobody can move to china and be a local, where's the outrage?

[@erich4812]

@@michaelhoudecki3657 China's not claiming to be a melting pot

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

@@erich4812 melting pot means take part in the local culture, not separate into this "town" and that "town". When you do that, you're basically saying you're not from here and you don't want to be, you prefer the ways of "your people". Well, if you like what they do so much, and what the result of everyone acting that way is, go back!

[@Yan-tz9pn]

Which country? You’re actually just lying tbh. Go anywhere in the world, ONLY western nations will welcome you and consider you a national. I lived in Asia for 12 years and Africa for 5, if I had children in any of those nations they would never be considered a national, let alone a local. Yet African and Asian people grow up every day in Europe and are considered French, British, German etc

[@adame7149]

As a mixed race person, I think your breakdown of U. S. society is interesting because it mirrors my own. The U. S. is very alienating because it seems people believe in broad racial categories and stereotypes. It seems like we’re often steered through a messy racial caste-system even though we’re supposed to be a land of individuals.

[@wtfdoihavetodohere]

No. It's primarily Leftists who believe in broad racial categories and stereotypes. Their ideology requires them to think this way.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

It's half of society, you're just paying attention to the idiots

[@t.l.5755]

mixed people are called coloured in South Africa, Brazil has a history of a very detailed color-caste system for example mestizos etc. this is a byproduct of colonialism not just a U.S.A. trait.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Who pushes this topic all the time? That's right, it's their divide and conquer strategy - the more groups and anger between groups they can stoke, the easier it is for them to continue pillaging. Just ignore it, ignore EVERYTHING they say because it's designed to destroy. Treat others the way you want to be treated, and respect your host country. Don't like it? Move away! Like it? Move to it! If you can, of course...

[@fowono2007]

If you guys don't pick up your current fertility rates (Taiwan 1.09; South Korea 1.11; Singapour 1.17; Hong Kong 1.23 etc ...) you won't have to worry about any of that nonsense pretty soon. In fact, subtract 0.2 to all the numbers above, to find the actual rates. And the younger generations of Asians don't seem to consider that as a problem to adress in priority. 2 cents from an African who likes what Asians bring to this World (toughtfulness, patience, deep/strategic thinking, ,resilience, martial arts, etc ...). Of course generalizing/stereotyping a bit .... Sue me !!

[@raykuang2889]

Aside from the model minority argument, lol imagine if East Asians were mostly dark skinned. I bet no one would say we were "white adjacent". I get the financial aspect of being "white adjacent", but I feel like a lot of times it's the visual aspect of being fair-skinned that we are being categorized this way. This causes "black and brown" skinned minorities to think we have some kind of advantage in America, which of course we don't, and is bs.

[@halifaxx55]

No, south asians some even look as dark as black and are super white adjacent.

[@raykuang2889]

@@halifaxx55 That's fair, I understand Asians from the Indian subcontinent can be really dark and "successful", I don't deny that. I guess it depends who you ask, but generally, and I'm specifically saying generally, when people think white adjacent, they're thinking fair skinned Asians who are successful. I could be totally wrong, but I feel that's the case.

[@Drownedinblood]

Having to buy basic rights and dignity with money isn't privilege nor is it being included in the club. People don't respect you, they respect your money.

[@halifaxx55]

@@raykuang2889 to me white adjacent or black adjacent doesn't have to do with how you look although how you look may affect how adjacent one can be. To me it is like liking white things or black like the opera vs hip hop or food you eat or way you speak.

[@halifaxx55]

@@Drownedinblood the real truth. It's weird to me seeing south Asians being rich but getting disrespected left and right all the time.

[@xiphoid2011]

I'm first gen Chinese American. I do think that, at least for east Asian women, many if not most do look to many of the western feature as the beauty standard. I would also be lying if I don't admit that I also find white girls attractive, in fast my first 2 girlfriends were white (that was the 90s in the midwest, so yeah, white or nothing). I wouldn't take offence if something some some merit to it. There is nothing wrong to find another race more attractive. Not everything has to be PC. The heart wants what it wants. Be it another race, another gender, this is one area you should go with your heart.

[@eljefeelpadron1843]

Soon there will be talk of "Asian Privilege". Bookmark this....

[@Drownedinblood]

It's already happening, but people can't actually describe what it is.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@Drownedinblood It really only applies to Chinese tourists who get away with their tourist antics.

[@Drownedinblood]

@@MK_ULTRA420 ???

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

@@Drownedinblood Same with the big one! It's actually a disadvantage

[@HkgHkg-gu3rd]

Ivy leagues already consider East Asians as whites for years. Too many of them Asians in business and computer faculties

[@agmcroom2374]

No one will ever have to put you down, say something racist or belittle you when you put another race as the gold standard above everything you are.

[@invisiblerevolution]

That's kinda DEEP what you just said! 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@bastait]

every single human being was made in gods image and all have equal value.

[@TheBigBigSean]

@@bastait Then why does crime seem to follow the overly melenated?

[@Dworry-lt1dk]

⁠@@TheBigBigSeanwhy does infertility/high suicide seems to follow non melanated?

[@TheBigBigSean]

@@Dworry-lt1dk - Top 3 countries with highest suicide rate: 1. Lesotho, 2. Guyana 3. Eswatini Guess which continent they're all from?

[@LigaFantasma]

No, East Asians aren't white adjacent. Some South Asians are, like Niki Hailey, but most aren't. White adjacent in the US includes very light skinned "black" people, biracial people, Latinos of predominantly European ancestry or appearance and arguably many MENA people. Some MENA people are in fact fully in the white group.

[@AgentQQ8]

“Asians are Schrodinger’s Minority.” Okay. That one made me laugh. 😂

[@blockraven22]

Coming from a Southeast Asian household, we always considered ourselves more adjacent to black and mexican, as we could relate to them more. Mannerisms and culture to me always felt more in that area. It really depends on the family, as I know some Asians that are more comfortable around white culture.

[@rodrozil6544]

No our culture is unique. Our dress, music, food are very unique. Mexican is Spanish influenced

[@Ali-py2ck]

@@rodrozil6544not necessarily. I made Gochujang jigae for my Sierra Leonean mom and aunties and they swore up and down they were eating West African pepper soup...😂

[@ekg891]

During apartheid in South Africa, Japanese and Koreans were classified as white. So yeah. They were benefiting from the system until 1994. I say this to say, there is something to be said about east Asians having a certain privilege over others. Also, that every country is different and it depends on who you ask.

[@saeedhossain6099]

a master class on white adjacency for asian, and more specifically asian women, is the Tiger Mom book....

[@helloxo666]

So I used to get my haircut at a place that was where Vietnamese women cut hair. It was somewhere I went pretty often and one day the lady’s husband was there and he talked about how when he came to America it was still separated. And I didn’t know what that meant but he said people of different races had to live separately and he lived with the white people. I think white adjacency comes explicitly coming from success in a white dominated society. I know that in the past there were riots to kick out Asians from cities so I think there maybe is more of a reason for Asian Americans to try and assimilate more into the US and thus be associated with it.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

You think they're scared they'll be forced out of cities, so they work hard and stay married? That's ridiculous!

[@calc1657]

During the latter Apartheid Era of South Africa, visiting Japanese were granted the legal status of 'Honorary Whites'. This provided them similar rights to those of the local white population. Such a turn of events was largely based on the rising wealth and power of Japan in the world. 'White adjacent' comes across as an American cultural version of Honorary White. The growing geopolitical and economic heft of East Asian nations and the incredible success of many immigrant Asians in the high tech fields has likely lead to this phenomenon.

[@tragicallyhoney]

They don’t look white lol

[@calc1657]

@@tragicallyhoney What is the relevance of this statement?

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@@tragicallyhoney No one looks ''wh1te''. What you mean is they don't look European because Asian are not European and never will be. Many Asian women have low self esteem and low self image and Asian women are even worse in that regard. So many of them want to be ''European'' in looks or trying to inter-date with Europeans to have so called ''hapa'' childeren ( Asian and European) to make sure there offspring can assimilate into European identities....not working because most of them still look very Asian ( Oriental) as they say.

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@@calc1657 Your point is very very true 200%. The status Honorary Whites' given to East Asians by the West-European supremacist apartheid establishment. Was given due to to their geo-economic and geopolitical power and influance. You see Western powers ingage in compition and operate in social power dynamic. Hence why they gave East Asians ( Orientals) this status in South Africa. You can not deny power when its infront of you which East Asian nations i.e ( Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea) had still have. This is also one the latent reasons Western powers don't want African nations to develop to such a level and the est-European supremacist apartheid establishment marginalized the native African groups in South Africa along what....economic, political, social, sexual, labour and technoligical lines. We live in competative world the moment Africans become 100% cognizant of this fact best believe the world will change very fast.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

Nah. The term is an attempt to fix a contradiction in a fualty ideological structure. It happened from both sides of the coin. In the modern American case, the ideology is set up with the base assumption that America is constructed explicitly to the benefit of whites to the exclusion of non-whites. Certain asian ethnic groups prove this assumption wrong, but instead of changing the ideological assumption, the adherents instead employ a linguistic trick to sidestep it and avoid seriously considering their preconceptions.

[@kin-cz9vu]

this has been around for a long time. there is a real story from south africa. in 1960s south african gov. offered east asian countries the status of honorary whites if they recognize south africas arpartheid. japan, taiwan accepted only south korea refused. source: honorary whites in wikipedia

[@sjacks3281]

wow. didn't know this

[@hannah60000]

@7:09, I don’t even think that’s an issue. Of course, when you grow up around people who are culturally, ethnically and racially different from you, there are certain behaviours and nuances you will miss or have when around those who are more similar to you in those regards. I tend to think it is more about the individual’s mindset or intentions (these can be conscious or sub-conscious!) However, I give grace, if you are genuinely just being yourself - we all can’t help how we were raised, but self-reflection helps in such instances. For many, it’s not them trying to be “just” themselves, rather they are trying to “obtain” or “reach” something as if to erase what people see when we look at them! Just my two pence! Peace 😇

[@mugileaguegaming1769]

Lmao Schrodinger's Minority is aptly put. But yeah, I get the sentiment of "white adjacent" but its not something you can declare. When I was younger I benefited from the privileges by being around white people, but as I got older and had my "Asian awakening" I noticed those people got quiet real fast and I was on my own. So yeah, it's funny how I was on "their team" when I was quiet and it was convenient for them, but as soon as I started opening up I wasn't. I know this doesn't apply to everyone, but I've seen people still live this way and deny their native tongue, religion, and relationships just so they can continue benefiting from white privilege. Can't blame them, but that's their insecurities and dishonesty they gotta work through. I would also say that this term, while helpful to describe the phenomena above, is probably harmful to younger Asians just trying to find themselves and feel guilty and insecure that they're "too white" or "not Asian enough" when that shouldn't be a concern. It also fails to acknowledge actual struggles Asians go through, especially the negative side "white adjacency" that I described above.

[@winningblitz]

I’m Jewish, and it’s probably why Jews and Asians also tend to relate so much. We often call ourselves Schrodinger’s Jews. We literally had a whole ass world war where far right white supremacists tried systematically erase us for being a “non white inferior race,” and now the far left in the US is categorizing us as “white colonizers on stolen land from brown Palestinians.”

[@Drownedinblood]

I would say this mentality still strongly applies to asian women who go after white guys exclusively. Rarely do they ever voice a dissenting opinion and imo that's why they are obsessed with claiming they aren't a submissive asian girl, because they are and have submitted to the racial hierarchy here and can only feel strong by trying to punch asian men.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Yeah it's not good to be anything near white, I don't blame you for distancing yourself

[@scottchow043]

I don't think this is a recent narrative, I recall hearing this opinion from the 2010's. I (Chinese M) had an ex (White F) once say to me that I was "basically white". I was the first POC she had ever dated so I think it was her way of processing it. It's not as rare today for an Asian man to date a white woman but it was considered unusual back then, especially in a predominantly white town in Arizona.

[@anwion]

My fav Fung Bro vid is the NorCal vs SoCal 100% on point and shouts to Leenda

[@IDKAD]

“White adjacent” isn’t about money or skin tone. It’s about mindset.

[@daydreamsandnightskies6914]

Underrated comment 👌

[@rodrozil6544]

Black celebrities and white liberals have same mindset though.

[@airmat9]

Is “white adjacent” like Whiteness or “acting white”?

[@IDKAD]

@@rodrozil6544 you just made that up

[@slim420-e8v]

It's about back up when TSHTF

[@en-zh-lyrics]

I would argue that Asian American students should have organized a nationwide movement in protest of Amy Wax’s racist comments on Asians. In face of such kind of disrespect, we shouldn’t be worrying about how disappointing our professors may have a negative impact on our GPA or affect our graduation. If we had that much solidarity and were willing to accept some risk that may temporarily put ourselves in a bad situation, we would eventually earn ourselves a better place within American society and not be treated merely as a harmless, obedient “model minority”, which is not a complement in the first place.

[@aaronmontgomery2055]

Were her comments that wrong though? Taken as a whole I don't really see a problem with it (assuming you are speaking of the one she made on fox). I don't really see how her comment was racist.

[@chrisrensing5223]

@@aaronmontgomery2055 she was not racist

[@jenniferpearce1052]

I don't think model minority means harmless and obedient. I think it means smart, strong, hardworking and peaceful. Yes, harmless, but harmless because harm should not be necessary. Obedience should not be necessary because people should be self-regulating. People should be neither obedient nor disobedient and I think that is the case with Asian immigrants. They just want to build a life for themselves and their families.

[@MikePapaFiver]

I’m East Asian… and I’m far from WHITE and want it to stay that way.

[@michaelhoudecki3657]

Yeah, whites are bad

[@jonasalden29201]

You're a rarity then. I live IN ASIA, and I see Korean girls jump over great looking Korean guys to get to a mediocre looking Whlite one.

[@mko0lpmko0lp]

Well by "Mike" guessing you are male. Generally, Asian men are POC; however, Asian women are mostly white adjacent. Ppl just don't say this out loud.

[@serialconnection3771]

During Dutch colonialism in Indonesia, the whites were 1st class, traders from all over Asia & Africa were 2nd class, the natives were 3rd class. It's like that We're The Miller's meme where everyone talks about privilege and me an Indo native in the last panel asking "You guys got basic rights?".

[@annahwang2704]

Asians don't beef with police/law enforcement, but our concerns and calls are largely ignored by 'the machine'. We get almost no support, or performative support from the systems in place to protect and serve us. Plus, weren't there several instances just the last couple weeks where mental health advocates were called during young men having mental breakdowns, then police were called, and they were shot and killed? There was an instance in K-town LA where the parents specifically called the mental health crisis number, police were dispatched, and the guy was shot and killed in his own home. We shouldn't be having this oppression Olympic but I gotta say Asians and AAPI folks will never hold power of systems in the US and therefore will never be white and are NOT white -adjacent.

[@wambokodavid7109]

This is why white people call u "submissive".shit goes down and u keep silent.take it out there..let people know.

[@coffeeplease1103]

💯

[@Paul-bs5wl]

It might serve you well to realise that someone of your broad racial category "holding power of systems" (whatever that means?) doesn't actually benefit you. It doesn't benefit poor-ass white people who have their cultural identity of the eternal punching bag of pop culture and political discussions, it didn't benefit black Americans when Obama was the most powerful man on earth, and it won't benefit you if a bunch of people from whatever ethnic group you belong to get into power. Unless whoever gets in power completely overhauls the system and turns it into some kind of ethnic hierarchy the system doesn't work on racial dimensions. The "system" works on individual action from the bottom up in America. Society is not imposed from the top down as it is in a state like China, where the government can simply choose to impose the Han ethnic identity with the express intention of destroying Uygur, Tibetan and Mongolian and other minority identites.

[@MMAWARRIOR20]

I don’t know if it’s a race thing. But police interaction in general of mentally special/handicap people of any color needs a lot of improvement.

[@annahwang2704]

@@Riven0x i disagree, it is a race thing when a race is generally a certain way and the systems in place ignore those archetypes

[@papertyga5056]

We’re all just varying gradients on the shades of American culture

[@CurtisCT]

So my mother is Korean and my father is black, I was born however as a dark skinned African-American. In college I had a ton of Asian friends and roommates, and now looking back with hindsight, I can understand what people mean when they say Asians are "white adjacent". Most, if not all of my Asian friends tended to mimic and adopt white stereotypical behavior. Apart from Asian, they tended to have EXCLUSIVELY white friends, with me being the obvious exception. I remember some of the Asian girlfriends of my roommates being very "standoffish" towards me, especially this Japanese and (obviously high status) Pakistani girl. For instance they'd never shake my hand, at least not voluntarily. When we used to have board game night, I always noticed their antagonistic and dismissive tone towards me. The Pakistani girlfriend was the most insufferable. She was almost white in appearance (and clearly proud of this fact), obviously upper class (I think her family were Brahmin) and so I guess she disdained having to associate with someone of my skin color, even though she was the one visiting her boyfriend in the house we shared, so basically my house. I never felt offended as such, I mostly just felt sorry for her. Imagine having to go through life with such insecurities! Speaking of which, I think this is the reason so many Asians in America tend to gravitate towards white culture, white behavior, white speaking patterns, etc. - it has to do with MASSIVE cultural insecurities, and the only way to overcome these insecurities is to "one up" the dominant culture. This is why Asians in America tend to be so successful. They have a cultural inferiority complex that drives them to not only identify with the white dominant culture, but to surpass it at all costs. So you have to outdo white people in their own culture by playing the violin BETTER than them, by playing the piano BETTER than them, by getting BETTER jobs and making MORE money than them, by buying BIGGER houses than them, by acting WHITER than them, speaking WHITER than them. And only after you've thoroughly outperformed them, can you finally say "I've arrived". It's basic psychology, but also a heavy burden to bear. That's why I'm not offended when some Asians refuse to have anything to do with me because I'm black - I know they're suffering from an inferiority complex. A Korean friend confirmed as much - he warned me NEVER to go to Korea as Koreans are NOTORIOUSLY racist towards black people. I don't need to travel all the way to Korea to believe him, I've seen enough proof of this living in America. This is why that Vivek Ramaswamy/Ann Coulter episode struck such a resonant chord with so many Black Americans. From a black point of view, here you have a brown Asian man with a massive cultural inferiority complex, doing all he can to suck up to white people and imbibe white culture. He even endeavored to achieve the ultimate in appropriating whiteness - become the ruler of a majority white country. Until, that is, he was RUDELY reminded by the White Queen herself that 1) he's NOT white, 2) he'll NEVER be white, and 3) he'll NEVER be accepted by whites. In their eyes, he's just another uppity brown boy from the squalid slums of India. For make no mistake about it, this was a well-rehearsed speech on the part of Ann Coulter, designed to correct a grievously held misconception on the part of Ramaswamy. To her mind she was no doubt doing Ramaswamy, as well as the entire nation, a badly needed favor by saying the quiet part loud, purposefully unfiltered and without so much as batting an eye to his stunned, and for the first time in history, speechless face. She, for her part, appeared noticeably pleased with the effect of her effort. All the Asians I know, every single one of them, have either married white individuals or have white partners. Even my Filipino best friend who just came out the other day and who'd never dated a man before now has a white husband - basically he married the first white man he could get his hands on. All of his four sisters are likewise married to white husbands, which means his Filipino parents are now the proud parents-in-law to five WHITE sons (Thanksgiving at their house looks no doubt like an Abercrombie & Fitch catalog). His former Filipino girlfriend is also now married to a white man. My white Chinese roommate from college now has a white wife. Before that he had exclusively white girlfriends. Those insufferable Asian girlfriends who my college roommates were dating all those years ago? Well according to FaceBook they're now both happily married to white husbands. On the other hand, I don't know a single Asian friend that either has a black spouse or ever dated a black person. They don't even have black friends, which is quite an accomplishment given that they live in major cities like NY and SF. Check the Facebook friends list of my numerous Asian friends and all you'll see are white and Asian faces, and not the brown type. Come to think of it, the only Asian person I know that ever dated a black man was my mother!

[@jiggaman000]

did your parents ever marry? you gave a very interesting perspective. thank you for sharing. Its crazy how two Filipino people left each other for White Men. lol

[@CurtisCT]

@@jiggaman000 No, my parents never married, but get this, my mom is currently married to a black man. She's only been with three men in her life, and all three were black. And those two Filipino friends broke up after the guy came out as gay, after which BOTH ended up with white men. And they BOTH seem to be very happily married as well...

[@rodrozil6544]

South Asians:- Pakistani, Indians, Bangladeshis, etc are genetically very close to whites/European.

[@CurtisCT]

@@rodrozil6544 Is that so? According to my research as well as my own DNA analysis, black Americans, on account of centuries of living alongside and mixing with white Americans have a far higher percentage of European DNA than South Asians who do not have such a history. 20% of my DNA is white European (Scotland/England, Latvia/Baltic) and according to the analysis I read that came with my DNA results, this is VERY typical for blacks in the New World on account of the significant "interbreeding" that occurred during 400 years of slavery. I've not been able to locate any similar stats that show a comparably high percentage of European DNA among South Asians. Not too long ago they discovered a mass grave for black slaves in NY dating back to the 17th and 18th centuries. The real shock came however after a DNA analysis was performed on the bones which revealed SIGNIFICANT European DNA, especially from Scandinavia. Many of these slaves were no doubt owned by white families of Scandinavian ancestry, who would often "interbreed" with their female slaves.

[@JoganRoe-jm6tv]

@@rodrozil6544What kind of crack are you smoking m8

[@DaBinChe]

I was told by a white girl that I'm more American, not white but American, than most Americans she knows. This is in a mostly white and very liberal area of Commiefornia. Cause I shoot guns, hunt/fish, camp, ride motorcycles etc. enjoying all the things that freedom loving Americans do.

[@jt6231]

Is USA only black or white? We can’t be ourselves now and have our own identity (whatever it is).

[@changthao4875]

I dunno, i see so many asian women dye their hair blonde to "fit" in

[@WMPBLSD]

I agree with this statement. Asians have their own unique identity. It's ok to be your unique self. If you are equating smart with white or prosperity with white, well there are prosperous Arabs in Dubai, rich Blacks in Atlanta etc etc. These attributes i e. smart, intelligent, etc do not make you white. These are attributes that can be found in any culture. There are poor white people. Some Russians are dirt poor, so being white does not necessarily translate into being smart or rich. You get the point. In America, all people care about is money and success. This is why Michael Jordan is respected around the world and can marry any woman, N E woman, he desires. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin, rather the life he can provide for his partner. This is all most people care about. If Asians stop making bread, they would fall out of graces with the American elites i.e. caucasians. If Mexicans started making cake, they would be the "it" group. Asians have done a great job in breaking through economic barriers by being very scholastically and fiscally disciplined. They come from great nuclear families that help facilitate this. Blacks in America have never had this ever living here. Nigerians, Ethiopians etc come from intact families and their children are economically well off than most African Americans. If this part can be healed and fixed within African Americans, the tide will change drastically in America. Also, Black people are not trying to be white. Yeah, some want to be accepted by this group of people because you have to work amongst them, and to some degree you have to acquiesce and adapt in order to get them to accept you, but really most realize that they are unique and will never be them, but that's just the way God wants it. You can never be your full you trying to be what someone else wants you to be, because then you are living a lie, which will eventually drive you to a psychiatrist at age 50.

[@jt6231]

@@changthao4875 what a silly comment…black people also dye their hair in blonde too…especially black celebrities. Would you accuse them wanting to be white? When white people wear Chinese outfi, would you accuse them of wanting to be Chinese?

[@nightowl7261]

Yes. America is either ⚫️ or ⚪️.

[@changthao4875]

@jt6231 it's called context, bud. When the French colonized Vietnam, a lot of the local Vietnamese women would try to look "french" because the french institution viewed Vietnamese as uncivilized. The same happened to the Philippines. A lot of filipinas view flat noses as unattractive due to spanish colonization. The very concept is applied here. Most american born asian have no sense of identity and have consumed majority of western propaganda through their life. So even they though they are physical asian, mentally they're white. And dying your hair blonde is a byproduct of European colonization aka fitting. And there is a different between a minority trying to appeal to the majority to fit in, compare to the majority exploiting minority for structural power. For example, asian american are force to learn English, because if they don't they can't navigate in white men world. On the flip side, white people only learn foreign languages or wear other ethnic clothing to gain leverages in gaining power on minority.

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[@manuelsteele7755]

I am curious about the Asian community's perception of indigenous Americans. Sometimes, we are called "Native Americans'. Other times, we are referred to as "First Nations". I suppose the latter is more pragmatic. The theory is that the "Native Americans" are actually Asians from near Siberia and Nepal who migrated across the Bering Strait. The topic is highly controversial. From the scientific perspective, skeptics point out the need for a human specimen of the era to corroborate such claims. But that region is now under water - hence it impedes gathering of forensic evidence via anthropological digging sites. With that said, the recent advancements in genetics have brought about massive, quantitative analysis of genetic drift in human migratory patterns. In the case of Native Americans, the DNA analysis seems to suggest that Native Americans originated from a group of people who had resided near northern China and Siberia. But conflicts arose with the arrival of ancestors of the modern Chinese. So, the net effect was migration of many "tribes" from that region into North America. One of the theories is that my tribe, the Apaches, are related to the Sherpas. The Sherpas are known as excellent mountain runners. So are the Apaches. That is literally our name - "The Mountain People". The theory is that the Apaches migrated across the Bering Strait and came down into modern AZ and NM via the Rocky Mountains. The tribe was known for its long-distance running ability through mountainous terrain - like the Sherpas. I find that theory fascinating. Keep in mind that this post is HIGHLY INFORMAL with no intent to generate citations of a journal, or a writing format expected at major conference proceedings. This is just an informal blog. I defer to such conference proceedings if one wants to get into formal discussions with such experts on DNA and migratory patterns of human populations. You guys post a lot of topics on interracial dating. In modern times, most Native Americans are part white. It's very rare to find a "full-blooded Indian". They tend to cluster in rural areas like the Four Corners or Northern Plains. Out East and the Midwest, most of them are part white. In regard to interracial dating, both genders marry into mixed white relationships a lot. The native male or female both have the same high probability of marrying a white person given the historical data and proximity to mainstream American culture and people. This is different for your channel which seems to highlight the Asian female and white male as more prevalent. For some reason, it's not like that with Native Americans. The height also varies a lot. Many Native Americans do get tall. The tribes of Montana and the Dakotas have won a lot of state championships in basketball. It's just that they usually didn't get recruited due to racism. But that is finally changing. So, do you consider us "Asian"? I guess it's too hard to answer given that the Bering Strait Theory is considered "plausible" but "needs more data to be convincing" for skeptics in the field. However, the theory appears to be largely presented as true in some academic circles of discussion.

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

Native like Cree and such are pretty much Asians and Europeans are much the same look into the haplogroups further the Tuvans and related might have much in common with Japanese populations nothing wrong with this just gotta dive deep in the haplogroups...

[@colinchampollion4420]

We Hispanics are already half European like Sofia Vergara ~ she is white- skinned Latina and her natural hair colour is blonde😩👌🤣 & her son is also aWhite Latino. I also am a White Hispanic!

[@PaulyWally30]

Hispanics/Latinos should not even be included in these social talks because Hispanics/Latinos are not a race but a variety of races. Individually, we can pertain to and identify with one of those three racial groups: Euro/white, Afro/black, or Asian/yellow. The Hispanic world is founded on the same European principles and customs as any other Western country, which also refers to Spanish-speaking countries.

[@colinchampollion4420]

@PaulyWally30 very well said ~ you hit the Bullseye! But alot is said about Mexicans as a single racial identity 😉

[@PaulyWally30]

@@colinchampollion4420 Thats due to Hollywood and news media and its fixation of lumping all Mexicans as a race. Mexicans and Mexicans Americans are sick of it.

[@gunnasintern]

tbf even the term Latin American itself is a cultural term, as so many people in the region itself are mixed and come in all appearances. but at the end of the day, it’s still founded on Western principles and Greco-Roman/Latin European cultural influence due to colonization, so that’s an entirely different subject matter

[@riceball4u172]

I'm no one's adjacent! Stop belittling Asain by calling us "adjacent ". I'm Chinese, keep your race war to yourself. I personally work harder and smarter so i can provide for my family.

[@reeeeeee4648]

one time Asians where referred to as “yellow” but now as “white adjacent” people always be enforcing labels on to asians that just make no sense 😂 phenotypes are too different so therefore asians aren’t white!!!!

[@Suedetussy]

Very interesting input. I see that i am white adjacent Asian in Europe. My boyfriend is from Syria, and holds on to his Arabic heritage so stubbornly. But now i see that he’s right. He is open to take the positive influences from Western culture, but he doesn’t adapt to it. He stays Middle Eastern with European influence. About race and color: it‘s so difficult to separate people like that because what with people from countries that are mixed like Afghanistan or South America (are indigenous people white?).

[@mikemcconnell7800]

As a White American teacher in China I have had a few "white" Chinese students from northwestern China who are kind of Russian(?) but do not have typical Han Chinese features but look much more European. They are all ethnically Chinese in language and other cultural ways. Where do they fit into this discourse?

[@wizardscauldron]

There are a lot of Chinese minorities along the silk road with mixed ancestry. For the most part, I would consider them Chinese minorities.

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

haplogroups has it Whites and Asians have a higher chance of being similar or more alike in haplogroup you are trying to get Scientific thats proven and plus there are Chinese people who have Tuvan in them just as the Japanese Ainu have Russian in them too...

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

mind you observation no dislike to Asians just pointing out the link of missing trees.

[@Whyhandle888]

As Korean guy from Korea, whenever I hear about the perspectives on western countries, sounds extremely awful. Asians need more respect.

[@oceanlagoon7733]

What? East Asians aren't even a subset of Caucasian like Syrian or Argentinian, East Asians are an entirely different race like Blacks.

[@bevs9995]

its the Latino-fication of North America. It is more about skin color than face shape

[@oceanlagoon7733]

​@@bevs9995Not me, I can think past that.

[@bevs9995]

@@oceanlagoon7733 well the same pattern has taken place in every multiracial culture. E.Asians are basically rich enough, enough of a minority, and light enough to melt into whiteness, basically. In Brazil, they can clearly see someone who "looks chinese", they can be racist towards them for being asian; and yet in hospitals they still check the "White" box. I have heard this from multiple chinese who moved to Brazil. In Brazil, they unofficially consider asians to be white and chinese at the same time

[@oceanlagoon7733]

@@bevs9995 How does your money change your genetics and history though? They're 2 irrelevant things to each other.

[@Mimi-xh9tk]

@@bevs9995 but BraZil is like the USA, but even worse.

[@markshen3280]

This “White-Adjacent” is a culturally discriminatory remark !

[@MH-ul5vd]

It seems to be more about how people are treated and respected than about wealth. Even Hitler called Asians (not sure which ones he was referring to) as honorary Aryans. It's more about not being racially profiled, having quick and easier access to business loans, being given the benefit of the doubt and most of the stereotypes are not linked to criminality or ratchetness.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

Hitler was referring to the Japanese, because the Japanese were his allies. He did not think the same of the Chinese who were fighting against the Japanese, and definitely not about Indians. He also may have had this opinion about some middle eastern groups because they shared his hatred for Jews. He needed to resolve the contradiction in his faulty ideological worldview. Which is exactly why this term exists today. Because weird race obsessed ideologes are running around with an incorrect worldview that requires linguistic tricks to resolve.

[@rayg4988]

You forgot one thing. Asian come into the lime light much more recently because of the success from Asian country itself. We are talking about South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and not including Japan which is the only Asian nation that us part of G7. In fact it give a huge boost to Asian American and put them on top of the social hierarchy.

[@chimakalu41]

5:38 excellent input from David. 🇳🇬 Naija represent.

[@Gilbertineable]

When humans left Africa over thousands of years people who would eventually be classified as white and people who would eventually be classified as N.E. Asian were one and the same people. What these ancient people looked like, we don't know. I have mentioned before on this channel that I have DNA from N.E. Asia and DNA from Kazakhstan but I am a blonde European woman.

[@Gilbertineable]

There was even a paleolithic 'white' enclave in Korea but they died out.

[@robertluong220]

I've long noticed my Asian privilege. Blacks get pulled over going over 100 mph and they immediately get arrested, sometimes they get shot. I've gotten pulled over doing 105 and 120, and the officers in both instances said "hi, how are you..." and eventually told me to move on and be careful. Ahmaud Arbery got hunted down and killed when he walked on to a construction site. I used to do that all the time on my daily runs and walks. I walk around those half built residential units exactly like Arbery did, just being curious, looking for ideas. Contractors and cops sometimes pull up on me, but they say "hello, you must be the owner, how are you doing sir?" One time, a cop gave me a speeding ticket, and then called me a minute later saying he canceled the ticket. He somehow searched and found my phone number after I drove away, and explained that as long as he cancels within 5 minutes, it will not appear in the system... therefore, he said, I do not have to pay the ticket.

[@Jkd_77]

So these people are willing to call East Asians “white-adjacent” or put them in the same ‘non-POC’ category as White people whenever it’s politically and socially convenient but will still consider someone like a Iranian, Georgian or Kalash person who is racially White/Caucasian, shares similar Indo-European ancestors with Modern Europeans, and can be very White-passing at times as still being “Brown” or a “POC”? I don’t get it at all. If that’s the case then according to these people your race is only determined more by your social economic status rather than your actual racial background or phenotype. Which means in theory, I- as a dark Blasian person can be “white adjacent” too if i reached a certain social-economic threshold and would no longer count as a POC in certain conversations according to American liberal politics. Because I wouldn’t know what it’s like to be in poverty or be oppressed and held back by institutional and political structures made to keep POC from succeeding? U.S politics is nothing but a bunch of a nonsense. 🤷🏾

[@Hqmptynpw]

It's about racism against Asians from progressives and usually started by Black community due to envy, jealousy of Asian American success. This is absolute facts.

[@Paul-bs5wl]

yeah it's not "American politics" that is nonsense. It's racial politics imposed on a system wherein it makes no sense. It's the refusal to accept that the American system isn't actually race-based that creates all these insane contradictions. The "white-adjacent" thing is an attempt to correct one such contradiction. You can accurately talk about an ethnic hierarchy in a place like China where the government imposes restrictions and penalties on certain ethnic groups, but it never makes sense in America, because there is no imposed ethnic hierarchy. There will never be a Uygur chairman of the CCP, because the system is actually an ethnic hierarchy. But there has been a black president, vice president, many generals, congressmen and congresswomen, senators, judges etc etc.

[@mentalstatement]

How do you explain the fact that “black” immigrants typically do much better financially than the native black population? When is the last time you heard a Nigerian complain about being oppressed in the USA?

[@pablo_fre5hcobar]

Visa restrictions mean they are preselected by education & money.

[@riiraa881]

Exactly Pablo. It's the same factor at play for East and South Asians (and any other immigrant group really). Most immigrants are invited into the country to fill positions that Americans aren't occupying so there is not much competition between immigrants and Americans. On the other hand African Americans and American Hispanics are competing with white Americans. That is where thr conflicts arise.

[@curmudgeonmisanthrope8985]

"Black" immigrants are the new model minorities... specifically Nigerian-Americans. There are a ton of discussions centering how whites bad-talk Black Americans to black immigrants attempting to divide and conquer.

[@taurahelms3068]

But a Nigerian is still an outsider. They haven't lived our history.

[@robertonavarro7713]

I heard that African immigrants from mainland Africa and Afro-Carribean prefer not to associate with African Americans. I don't know if it's true. Just wondering why?

[@alexanderishere1857]

Asians are not white, but just the group that is not white which gets along the best, and is most similar to whites. Some Asians like some whites more than they like or respect other asians, and some whites like and respect some asians even more than they like and respect some whites. It's just overall a pretty harmonious relationship, which is rare among other groups with each other

[@sjacks3281]

You just described "white adjacent"

[@Qresmaidapa]

​@@sjacks3281 😂

[@WS-bo7xd]

To my Asians! stop measuring yourself to whiteness standards! You're Asian and be proud - full stop

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

they are closet to Natives so the Whiteness is close go look at genetics.

[@BrotherFranco]

This "White Adjacent" drives me nuts. I am Metis (French Canadian/Abenaki). I get Asians asking if I am half Asian. Even Latinos get confused. "White Adjacent" gives me a headache. I know of other Metis who live in Hawaii with the HAPA.

[@adelwardmesserschmitt7235]

Hello everyone, I’m from Austria and I’d like to share my perspective on skin color. In Europe, Asians are often perceived as "white." The term "people of color" is predominantly used in the United States. For instance, if you asked someone in China about their skin color, they might describe themselves as white. This kind of racial classification is much more common in the U.S., while in many other parts of the world, skin color is often less emphasized.

[@JohnnyChau-w7q]

As an Austrian, would you consider Arabs and Iranians white? It would be weird if Chinese people can be considered white but not Arabs because Arabs are far more related to Europeans than Chinese people.

[@adelwardmesserschmitt7235]

@@JohnnyChau-w7q yes they are white too, my Dad is Arab.

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

@@JohnnyChau-w7q its actually both of them related to Europeans Turkish and Chinese just like Kurds and Aryans are more related than each other group you can't change haplogroups the groups you see in Chinese you can also see link up with Kurds and related bunches...

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

I'm not looking at skin fyi I'm thinking on a scientific mind.

[@terryr7622]

I’ve heard of that argument about Asians being white adjacent and not being POC. Usually from liberals

[@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn]

Considering most rightwingers *overtly* espouse racist rhetoric, is this surprising? Did you watch the Ann Coulter/Indian guy interview

[@alouie001]

Why are people wasting their time in this? This is beyond stupidity.

[@marlonlo9661]

White adjacent? No such thing. Stop being obsess with Race

[@colinchampollion4420]

True alot of Asians wannabe White and act White

[@GlobalMan-nr3hq]

Actually its not skin color but values and relative wealth and higher education level. Indians can be called "white adjacent" too. In the metropolitan areas of USA and Canada, plenty of American born Indians are intermarrying with whites. Same thing happening in UK.

[@riiraa881]

People who view wh te people as the gold standard tend to imagine that wh te values are the best...in fact they think wh te everything is better so they want to seem to have everything in common with wh te people. Wh te culture is very individualistic and not as family oriented as other groups. Wh te culture is also good at disadvantaging and being horrible to ther people, but people will quickly say they have values in common with wh te people and claim that their culture is collectivistic, family oriented, great at human rigjts all at the same time. People just don't see the contradictions lol

[@nightowl7261]

Saar! Indians are the first Aryan saar

[@A__SB]

Hahaha LOL!. I always wondered where they got "saar" slur. I thought that was a South Indian accent thing.

[@A__SB]

Those are mainly self loathing East Indians. Most east Indians marry other East Indians, even more so within thier own caste and own Indian tribe. This excuse that I grew up in white only community, does not fly.You can always find someone from your own background.

[@kingkazuma2239]

Then stop calling it white adjacent if it's nothing to do with skin but culture

[@Eric-gp3hi]

As Hispanic/Latino male I don’t view Asians as white adjacent. I do believe that certain East Asian groups such as Chinese, Japanese and Korean having certain advantages over other minority groups in the US such as Southeast Asians, Hispanics/Latinos and African Americans. There are a lot of Southeast Asian groups who live in poverty such as Vietnamese, Cambodian, Burmese, Hmong and Laotian. The media representation for Asian Americans hasn’t been that good with the emasculation of Asian men and the fetishization of Asian women. There has also been a lot of Asian discrimination around the world due to COVID. The Model Minority Myth has driven a wedge between Asians and other minorities due to the false narrative that Asians have privilege in the U.S. and are all wealthy and successful. As for East Asian women being white adjacent I would say there not white adjacent due to the fact they still suffer from White Supremacy due to fetishization.

[@dnguyen787]

SEA groups living in poverty, where do you get that information? Statistically, SEA group in America, in average makes more money than white. Do you mean white people living in poverty too??? LOL

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

@@dnguyen787 still White but denounce they are connected to them haplotypes look them up.

[@17napps38]

Isn't Asian used for context to describe race? The same way white/caucasian describes the color of one's skin? If you've ever been to Asia, the people there are the same as the people in the US. I'm so confused lol.

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

people saying asian women have privilege, not everything is about gender??????????????? and im not saying this bc i don't care about asian male struggles, i'm saying it because i am an adopted asian, and i face racism from my own family that isn't related to me being a woman. economic achievement, representation, assimilation, no one actually gives af if u have an asian face. you will never be a part of mainstream white american culture. woman or not. honestly, i really am starting to question this channels motives. u guys do literally nothing about the asian women hate in your comments, and even sometimes encourage it. i mean, i guess if it makes you feel better, go ahead and deny that i ever had any struggles. obviously i just "imagined" people calling my sister a ch*nk, that my cousins pulled their eyes back at me, that girls bullied me in school, pulled my hair, took pictures of me without asking, and ignored me during group projects. good luck with asian solidarity. no use in trying when we asian women "do it to ourselves".

[@PurpleDoritos666]

Lol womp womp. U say all that but i bet you only date yt men. U girls are the weak link

[@PurpleDoritos666]

Hard to take you asian women seriously when so many of you say “i dont date asians he looks like my brother” “i onyl date whytee guys” yall really do do it to yourselves lol

[@kshinokevin]

hues of Caucasian-ness = Jewish, Italian (maybe Sicilians = the African=Americans of Italy), the English, the French, the Cajun (not Creole) group; Germans, Spanish, Scottish, Irish; Swedes (Sweden folk); South Africans, Canadians, New Zealanders (the Kiwis) and the Aussies.

[@Johnnecage]

Depends on which Asians are you're referring to, "bananas", "Twinkies", "Jook Sings", or "Chiggas". Then it might be White on top, white from behind, or white fried rice.

[@MiloConningia]

Wasians 😂

[@Noobmaster69_bro]

As an Indian, I’m so proud I was born one . The food that I taste in other countries r nowhere near the taste buds I’m used to . If u give me a choice of a lifelong woman , wealth or food , I will always choose Indian food

[@Adam-s3w7d]

Asians work hard, hard work = f you money.

[@atuljoshi1990]

I self identify as green myself...

[@calvinj5639]

Asians working hard = "there MUST be some kind of systematic racism to blame (rather than take accountability) as to why other communities are doing better than us in America, yeah that's it, that's why Asians are white adjacent"

[@Vinayak-y9y]

@@atuljoshi1990 hello plant 🪴 🌱

[@rfc3133]

Not really...just the recent wave of highly educated ones. Many Chinese in Chinatowns all over the USA on welfare and social benefits. Then you havebthe Viets and Hmongs.

[@Adam-s3w7d]

@@rfc3133 not sure you’re Asian. If you were you’d understand most Asians don’t live in china town. And many votes own nails salons. They purposely under report earnings as many transactions are cash. Which allows them to collect benefits and support and bring over family members. This has happened with the Italians and Irish. Immigrants will be immigrants and look out for their families first.

[@Nick-kk9ei]

The thing with these discussions I don't like is, it all seems like a rant and an eco chamber which results in a "yesman" comment section. It also comes off as pure emotion or intellectual dishonesty which soils any chance of being taken seriously. When having these discussions, please invite an opposing view for the love of god, not a willy-nilly person either, but someone who is intellectually honest and a challenge. Otherwise, this discussion is counter productive. Also, this topic is not recent. Additionally, the comments that start with "As a [insert ethnic or race] are fake and disingenous.

[@leonups]

I kind of understand what people mean by this. East Asian & Caucasian societies share the similarity where social order is often valued over personal agency. This leads to white & east asian countries being much more heavily policed than other countries, as well as the police being much more difficult to bribe. I would also say that black people and latinos are more adjacent to each other, for example look at USA culture. Out of every racial group, hispanics & latinos are by far more likely to integrate into black neighborhoods and align with black culture. You rarely see white, Asian or arabs grow up and adapt in a predominantly african american neighborhood but latinos are more likely to fit right in. I believe there are a lot of reasons for these interracial similarities. For example hot adaptation vs cold adaptation. Peoples who come from hot climates often had access to more resources (fruits, vegetables, grains, animals) so survival itself isnt particularly difficult. However the hotter climate and having to be in a constant state of heat lead people from these climates to adopt a more confrontational temperament, because its much harder to avoid conflict when everyone in a village is extremely hot constantly and huddled up together in tight spaces. On the other hand, people who adapted to colder climates had more of a struggle for survival, meaning if anything went wrong and your family/community had a schism , that would be much more disastrous. Winters can kill you very fast,especially hundreds of years ago when we didnt have massive supplies of food stored in huge grocery stores. Social cohesion is much more important in cold adapted societies if for no other reason than to avoid death. I also dont think its a coincidence how whites and east asians share a lighter skin complexion in comparison to other races. People with similar physical attributes tend to be similar in other aspects as well.

[@AngkatanNamwaran]

On one hand I get what you're saying, but on the other hand, I feel like there's something lacking in your take. I feel like you glossed over something, oversimplified something or generalized something... or all of the above.

[@leonups]

@@AngkatanNamwaran I most definitely did. its too complicated to break down a topic like this in one concise comment

[@Mimi-xh9tk]

You simplified this way too much to superficial stuff. Please study the histories of China and India (a mostly warm country with very dark people) … also notice the fertility of the lands. Those countries were always highly populated due to optimal climate.

[@johnnyflores5954]

Don’t generalize dude, you clearly no, nothing of Latino culture, 90 percent of Hispanic culture is Eurocentric, from language, religion, politics, education, music, art, social norms. Latinos aren’t one race of people, theirs white:, castizo, Mestizo’s, indigenous, black, Afro-indigenous, and Mulatto’s, even some Asians. I would argue, that Latinos are more closely related to Europeans, then Asians, just look at the divorce rates, between white and black, white and Asians, 9 out of 10 end in Divorce. Now look at Hispanic’s, 9 out of 10 stay married.

[@ljvue]

Also, we want to succeed because of pride. Our parents refuse to have a lazy son or daughter. Can’t embarrass our parents. Can’t embarrass ourselves. Get your ass up and make something of yourself! Don’t you see your uncle’s kids? Do you want them to talk shit about our family. It’s Asian culture.

[@britneyt9253]

Same with west African cultures 😅

[@wizardscauldron]

Why do we need to be labeled anything at all. I have friends from all the races and we are more alike than unalike…we have the same values and interests. We are all American.

[@kremigmitsahne7197]

Being white is not about your skin color. There is a correlation between having "white" skin and "being white" but no causation.

[@JL_hahaha0303]

Another question to ask is, what is asian? Tbh I found the word 'asian' is a very vague word, the fact you don't need to look asian to be asian, it's as if anyone coming from any of asian countries [regardless of facial features], like I know someone who's grandma's from Armenia, and she grew up in Switzerland , who looks 100% white, but you can't deny that fact that she's part asian, or has asian root, but her facial feature does not fit into the typical asian look, still she considers herself as part asian, altho she identifies herself more as caucasian bc of her cultural background, but she would also check the 'asian' box on forms from time to time. What I'm saying is that, white can be asian too according to geography and the list of asian countries, because apparently asians does not have a typical list of physical featuers (altho me, as an ethnic han chinese myself, has the east asian face when it comes to what's considered as 'asian'). On the other hand, east asian cannot be really be white. Even the concept of white is very weak tbh, if you look at people in the middle east, many people there possess what we consider as white features, tall nose bridge, big eyes with colorful iris. And if you simply place them in any european countries, they will likely to look 'white'! I look at my spanish husband and I often thought, if he has slightly darker skin color, he would prob looks pretty middle eastern given his beard and curly hair. So what is white? I once travelled to Lebanon, people there look very white, and I honestly thought I was in Europe iso west asia, so are they asian? Do they think they're asians or white? or do they see themselves as white asian? last time I checked asian population is over 4.561 billion, that's more than half of world's population!

[@joodeki]

Asian literally just means Easterner. It's based on an Assyrian word meaning East; Asu. Greeks coined the term and that's what they called everyone East of them. European is based on Eurob which means West, also an Assyrian word. That's why Asian used to refer to Western and Central Asians only and East/Southeast Asians were called Oriental.

[@JL_hahaha0303]

@@joodeki this is clearly not the ‘typical’ Asian that this video is referring to at all. Also the word Asia also has a Greek root meaning to go out, rise. Nowadays the word Asian refers to simply people of Asia or Asian descent. Also as far as I can rmb the word oriental is no longer used in the US since it somehow has a negative connotation or a racist vibe to it. Not that I agree to it or not, just info that I rmb

[@joodeki]

@JL_hahaha0303 Agreed, was just giving some historical context that the word Asian didn't start off as a continent level "race" and was a regional term until Americans started using it as a racial category. Which is why the original Asians are less "Asian" than today's Asians. I know in the UK the word Asian is still used for Westerner Asians and not for Far East Asians. And yeah, Oriental is not in use anymore but when it was still being used, no one was calling that eastern side of the world as Asians. Heck, no one but China had a word for modern Asians; Yazhou. Everyone else borrowed the word Asia.

[@Whyhandle888]

Asian = Japan, Korea, China

[@thojmuas5744]

I mean when you grow up in a any kind of a society dominated by 1 particular race isn’t it inevitable that you try to assimilate.

[@wizardscauldron]

I don’t consider myself white though I fit in well with everyone.

[@wanwanutan-nt5rg]

If it’s not something you call yourself but is instead being decided by others to label you, then it is an accusation of guilt by association, where white is synonymous with “unearned privilege”. Be on the lookout for any further attempts to drag your social standing down.

[@switzjon8405]

What's weird for me personally is when you see or meet Asians that act urban I'll say. Language and all. They grew up in the inner cities not often but they are there.

[@LeadLeftLeon]

Always saw Asians as being the most foreign. From most to least: Asians > Latinos > Afro-Americans > Whites

[@JoganRoe-jm6tv]

How are Latinos one of the most foreign on this continent when we’re mixed with NATIVE AMERICAN and European blood. Be it Aztec or Apache ? Whites and black people are more native to this land ? Gtfo outta here with that nonsense and read some history books. I love all people White, Black, Asian, but damn bro? For real ?

[@rxlxviii]

You knew this was coming. It's people who are lazy or aren't as competent being jealous of those who are more successful than them. This jealousy also exists in the Asian culture. Don't forget, half the population have below average intelligence and these are usually the people who make these types of statements. Everyone can become more intelligent by learning more, but that just means the average interlligence goes up. I'm pretty certain that most below average intellent people now are smarter than people who lived 200-300 years ago. But intelligence isn't the only factor to success. It's knowing the marketplace and how to address that marketplace. In Asian, European, African, Latin American, etc, markets there are successful people and people who are less successful. One of the wealthiest men in the world and sometimes the wealthiest man in the world depending on the price of stocks is Latino. Two of the wealthiest men in the world were Indian, but they lost their fortune. And if you create a company, don't you deserve the fruits of your hard work, no matter how rich you get? It's not like any of the wealthiest people in the world are young. They spent 20-60 years of their lives building that wealth by growing their companies. People look too much at what other people have and want that same success overnight.

[@nocturnus009]

Not me hopeful Asian College bound students discover their options in HBCUs & organizations like NSBE. RIP David Seegobin.

[@AziaXtremeNFinity]

Well I'll say this much: there is a percentage of Asians who are white-skinned, light-skinned, and pale-skinned, especially East Asians, about 2/3, 3/4, 80% ratios Southeast Asians roughly between 1/10 and 1/20 or as low as 1/50 and 1/100 but there is a rise of lighter-skinned Asians altogether that's for sure But my own definition of a white person is anyone who is literally has white skin, light skin and pale skin and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having white skin or brown skin because I say if it looks good on you then it looks good on you

[@chimakalu41]

0:35 too much comparison. Just talk about asian culture in it's own instead. Way more interesting.

[@jasonroberts2249]

As a white guy who’s married to an Asian (your most hated relationship and a form of racism that’s strangely allowed by leftists), and has become acquainted with many Asians as a result (as you are aware Asians tend to hang out with other Asians), it became very clear to me that by most measures Asians are more ‘white’ than whites are in the USA. They have higher average income, average better careers, better educated, DEFINITELY less likely to get into trouble with the law (a NYPD friend said he never arrested an Asian in his entire career), and generally speaking just less likely to wind up self-destructing the way that whites tend to. I grew up very working class in Brooklyn with relatively little knowledge of Asian culture, so being exposed to it as an adult, and also living in Asia, was a huge wake up for me. I would LOVE to debate you guys on this topic but you’d never want to because it would destroy your entire fictional narrative.

[@SGTQ-13]

Hey buddy, respectfully. We don't care about who dates who. Date whoever you want. Just don't bash your own kind. Which is the problem with some of these AFWM couples. Thanks!

[@jasonroberts2249]

@@SGTQ-13 stating facts is not ‘bashing my own kind’. Things are what they are. Whites are good at things like innovation, but that tendency works against us as well when the ‘freedom’ thing goes too far . Each race has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, like rock paper scissors. If you want stats there are plenty public stats you can look up for yourself. Average income (which they showed in this vid), average crime, arrest and conviction rate, suicide rate, education level, average savings, Asians come out on top in all of those. The only argument is the ‘leadership’ thing, which is because 1) it’s still a white majority country founded by whites; and 2) the people in those positions are not representative of the average white guy. The average white guy is a regular working stiff. He isn’t in some corporate or political leadership position. Another factor is lumping in people of Jewish descent with the rest of ‘whites’. There is a big disparity between those two demographics. I once had a Korean coworker tell me “America is for everyone but Korea is only for Koreans”. Imagine someone of European descent saying that! The hypocrisy like in this vid is unreal. There is such a double standard.

[@justamanwithathought.8415]

@@jasonroberts2249 Asians and Europeans until you can prove me genetically wrong with different haplotype have much the same lineages.

[@ralphphillips3983]

My understanding of white adjacent is being given certain privileges by racist white people as long as you meet certain criteria. These privileges can be revoked at anytime like during Covid .

[@anurag29000]

Kalashi people of North Indian Subcontinent 😊

[@ResidualSelfImage]

Yeah David. Asian Americans demographically is impacted by socially engineering US immigration policies which favor crazy rich Asian immigrants who are educated accomplished and did not grow up in America. The success of Asian American immigrants is partially or significantly due to their native nation/society that supported their development before they immigrated to America. White and Black American are more native born and are more often impacted by US racial historical politics. Native Born Asian American often have many of the same challenges and concerns as other People of Color in White American Society. When I was attending the University there very few ABCs of any generation so as a group ABC were compared by admissions soley on race and we had to compete with wealthier immigrant international Asian students... but because white and black international students were few, -- native born American whites and blacks were not subject to this kind of international academic competition. So American Born Asian American students have to compete at the University race-based admissions at a global level while non-Asian did not. Coupled this with the racially hostile academic environment for Asian descent male students - it was no cake walk getting an education in America for me. Is Republican Elaine Chao White Adjacent since she married Republican Conservative white senator Mitch McConnell? Would African American SCOTUS Justice Clarence Thomas be a white Adjacent (or an Uncle Tom) for marrying a white Republican Party Activist Ginny Thomas? That is to say is the political affiliation to Conservative America make one more White Society aligned than a more liberally progressive American Politics like African American Activist Grace Lee Boggs?

[@Paul-bs5wl]

Yes. Leftist race-obsessed weirdos probably do believe that being "white" means aligning with conservative values. Because the whole point of their race war is political.

[@stevenzheng5459]

14:06 This talking point is getting more and more ridiculous. Now you are adding quantum mechanics to the mix? 🤣🤣🤣

[@halifaxx55]

I live in San Francisco, latinx and work in a majority senior cantonese residential facility. I used to think asians were all white adjacent, and while I still think the majority are, but working in this environment I have come to know asians who are not at all for assimilation and honestly those tend to be the nicest to me. The white adjacent ones are more distant. Some are shocked when they realize I speak a little cantonese, and when I look up online a translation can pronounce something with a perfect accent. Some don't even speak their language whereas the VAST majority of latinxs speak Spanish or some.

[@jm2270]

It's really because Asians generally make an effort to blend in and to not cause any problems.

[@jason4275]

that's a problem, how are black suppose to have any respect for Asians, when Asians stood on the side lines and did nothing during the civil rights movement, but yet got all the benefits from all the new laws

[@kitty_s23456]

True. It's also because of Asian culture itself - collectivisn, to not stand out. In Japan, there's a saying similar to "the nail that sticks out is hammered in".

[@lutneychocker]

How about SEAsians? Some Burmese, Cambodians, Thais, Indonesians, are darker than Africans!

[@lutneychocker]

Amongst the "white", where do Spanish, Greek, Italian, Turks, Arabs, Georgians, etc fit in?!

[@ronron9353]

I’m a Taiwanese girl… just one question… “why are you doing this to yourselves?” I can feel your brains frying, trying to find an answer to the black hole (happy pun)😂 as a wise lady once said “Stop that! You’ll give yourself a stomachache!” - Marie Barone from everyone loves Raymond (my spirit white mom, wait.. is Italian white?) Here comes my tummy ache 😫

[@wiggmanoriginal]

The Lus are loving their white adjacent status

[@redberries8039]

British East Asians often sound British White, both in tone and content. Can't tell the difference.

[@originaldemon771]

As an asian, I look at this and say 'White Adjacent' ? Yeah, ok bro, whatever you say lmfao

[@rykie8081]

"privilege does not mean protection or acceptance.

[@stump4522]

We need Atilla the Hun again.

[@que-n2f]

w call us poc when they don't want to hire the other poc, poc call us w when they want to get the job, w here means business owner regardless of col or.

[@RickG151]

I think the use of the word adjacent in a postposition is totally goofy.

[@AgentQQ8]

LoL, love how Filipino shot to the top of this effing list.

[@yxngweezy]

not wrong tho

[@AgentQQ8]

“My white friends tell me I’m whiter than them.” LOL. WtF does THAT mean?