Ask Adam Savage: My "Why Didn't I Think of That" Moments

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[@Koushakur]

Yo, there's no link to the luthier Adam mentions at 4:49

[@PleiadianDreams]

Om khargang chakra-gadeshu-chapa-parighan shulang bhushundIng shirah shankhang sanda-dhatIng karistri-nayanAng sarbanga-bhushabritam. nIlashma-dyutimasya pada-dashakang sebe maha kalikang yamastou-chhaite harou kamalajye hantung madhung kaitavam.

[@blee5268]

@@Koushakur Heard "Ted Woo...", took a chance on Google with "Ted Woo..." : 'Ted Woodford - kzbin.info' popped up.

[@JordanV]

Can you please share the link mentioned in the video about the KZbinr maker working on guitars? Thank you!

[@tpseeker3367]

@@Koushakur @twoodfrd

[@danielland3767]

I don't know if this is the right time or video, but Adam...the Tested and especially "Ask Adam" videos have really helped me through alot of depressing moments in my current emotional n throws of depression. Mythbusters, Mythbusters Jr & Savage Builds are all great shows that deserve more recognition. But all of them has shaped my life since I was 26 after a deployment and leading into today. If I'm in a severe funk I can come here and just hear stories on how maker issues can correlate with life issues and it helps me so much. The cardboard material to build was a especially poignant bit of advice because I've had Amazon boxes among others that I had a reason to reuse but I am now in the process of creating a ping pong ball track that my kids can start their Maker lifestyle and say "I did this with me dad" when they are famous as you. Please keep doing these videos, I learn more from the questions & answers then most can learn anywhere. Please keep this up🙏🏾 Daniel

[@solarnaut]

Beautiful words; thx 4 that! " how maker issues can correlate with life issues " That saying: "You are unique.... just like everybody else" RE-minds me both that we are alone in our own heads yet together on humanity's shared journey. Easy to say "move a muscle, change a thought," but breaking out of a funk can seem to require rocket fuel ... or maybe some 'correlated' cardboard; ping pong balls; and team work. Cheers ! B-)

[@danielland3767]

@@solarnaut thanks man, I really do binge these if I'm behind, but just paying attention is cool. I'm not sure how to flim the cardboard track for random kids balls in the house, but I do want to share a simple build with the maker community. Not sure how tho

[@robertpearson8798]

If I ever stop having "why didn't I think of that?" moments it will mean that I've stopped learning.

[@kaycee1076]

This is an _awesome_ outlook on life! Love it!

[@joshuamckown3145]

I remember NYC CNC demonstrating that masking tape and CA glue technique for holding parts on the milling machine table. Obviously, you want to keep the cuts light, but it's a good trick for machining parts that can't be clamped without the clamps interfering with the machining.

[@Lance_G]

Dude! Those podracers were honestly one of my absolute favorite things as a kid - it's so awesome you had a hand in the coolest vehicle design of Star Wars!

[@JaggedFel621]

Tape+glue is also a technique used to attach sensors like thermocouples/accelerometers to finished products going through testing that you don't want to damage or have to touch-up later.

[@WalaUlo]

Fun fact. When I saw the masking tape/crazy glue technique first time, I was mindblown too! But - I saw it used in another luthier video first time and have seen it used several placed, not only luthiers, but woodworkers in general.

[@DonOblivious]

Not just woodworkers! I've seen it used on metalworking machines. Seeing it stand up to the forces of milling metal is really wild. There's an older technique in machining: just superglue the stock to the work surface. You just hit the part with a torch to break the superglue bond. Only works if heat treating your part isn't critical and doesn't work at all with wood, for obvious reasons.

[@WalaUlo]

@@DonOblivious Yeah you are right. When I think about it, I have seen it used also on cnc routers, eg. to attach acrylic sheets, leather and other thin materials

[@yarb2643]

Wristwatch Revival is my favorite watch repair channel. Shows an amateur learning the craft and watching his progress is very satisfying.

[@oldmanwinter63]

I love that you mentioned Twoodford, as he mentions you a lot!!

[@Dilldozer17]

Your channel in itself has led me doing a ton of in home DIY projects even a loft bed! Watching from myth busters to now, you’ve been a mentor for years now without even knowing! Thanks for all you’ve done Adam!

[@alfredbarnescomedy]

The chuckle when he mentioned Transformers explosions is everything

[@breaux2806]

Finding out that Adam watches twoodfrd is awesome because that means we might get an Adam Savage guitar build video. As a luthier who watches this channel to learn little craft tricks I would absolutely love to see that

[@zacm.2342]

Appreciate your comment, cause I thought he said twoford or tuford so was about to search the wrong thing :P

[@johno186]

Adam did do a Kiwi Kit Uke, so a full guitar would be a great upgrade. Definitely a series, rather than a 1 day build.

[@SuperTrojan2]

@@zacm.2342 yeah he pronounced it was “2-ford” but it’s “twoodford” as in T. Woodford that caught me off guard as well

[@Ventuskeymaster]

I love Tested and especially enjoy watching the videos while I am crafting or making something, the videos help me and just are an amazing comfort while doing crafting or making

[@SteenTV]

It's the Super Glue and Masking tape trick - you should look at Crimson Guitar builds for LOTS of examples of it in use - and other building joy!

[@aleksimeronen958]

I learned the masking tape and super glue trick from crimson guitars (worth a check, it’s incredible what can be made out of wood). It’s the best way of attaching routing jigs to your work. Very strong laterally, put pulls off cleanly

[@charlie9ine]

Sometimes I don’t agree with you Adam but you are perfectly on point here. We make for a purpose when that purpose is fulfilled that is success

[@dishdudetexarkana]

One of mine was also a tape and glue application. Adjusting flooring by masking tape on the piece that needed moved, then hot gluing a 2x4 to the taped flooring to allow tapping on the end of the 2x4 with a hammer to slide rhe piece of flooring to close a gap.

[@jamesallred460]

Yeah that's pretty brilliant, the tape and crazy glue thing. It's my favorite kind of brilliant too, the kind where anybody could of thought of it. Wonderful problem solving. Thanks for sharing Adam!

[@DonOblivious]

Some people ask "why not double sided tape?" Well, the big reason is after you press the masking tape on to the part, and the surface, you use a burnisher to press the tape down HARD. (A burnisher is anything you can rub down hard with to flatten the tape, like a piece of metal bar stock). That step creates maximum tape adhesion. Double-sided tape is usually thick and gooey to get enough adhesion and requires a lot of cleanup afterwards. Masking tape is explicitly designed not to leave behind residue. You can use the superglue masking tape trick to hold down a sheet of sandpaper to a table. Adam said he hasn't found a use for the trick yet, but I think I've seen him tape down sandpaper before...

[@larrywoodward1354]

My children and I had a blast meeting and getting a photo with you today @planetcon in kcmo today. Thank you for all the great entertainment and knowledge.

[@TheDancecommander5]

I learnt the tape and glue trick from a fellow knife maker for ensuring when drilling holes for pins in handle material you have to make sure your holes are drilled perfectly or you will probably have to scrap the handle if you get it wrong. Great and simple solution to this problem.

[@MorningDusk7734]

I just started considering my first real cosplay idea, and my first step (after grabbing a bunch of references) was going back through this channel and grabbing about 200 of the cosplay videos to see if there's a technique discussed that would help me in this process that I wouldn't have considered otherwise.

[@JariSchroderus]

Ben Crow from Crimson Guitars uses the masking tape and super glue trick all the time on his builds.

[@DonOblivious]

That's where I first learned it. Like 2016. Ben learned it from an apprentice who was better informed on modern techniques than him! Ben was trained VERY old-school. He uses the CA + Masking tape even for sandpaper. Sandpaper often has a porous back, so you want to burnish some masking tape on to the back of sandpaper for good adhesion and so the porous sandpaper backing doesn't just absorb all of your CA glue. Adam said he hasn't found a use for that "trick" but I think he's taped down sandpaper that could probably have been done better.

[@othertonywi1son]

The painters tape and super glue is how I hold down items on my CNC machine. Great for cutting all the way through the material while still holding the pieces in place. No need for fancy clamping setups or tabs to hold the items together.

[@fanjan7527]

Few years ago I started to use gaff tape on a wall first, the two-way tape when affixing picture frames and props to walls for shoots. One thing I have also learned about gaff tape, is that it’s a great way to see if the painter washed the wall properly before applying a new coat of paint

[@toomanyhobbies2021]

I first saw the masking tape method used by Ben Crowe of Crimson Guitars in the UK several years ago....

[@captaintortuga3191]

I've heard Adam use the expression "Art of the Possible" a number of times across his Q&As. I'd love to know if there is an origin to that phrase, or where he picked it up.

[@michaellee6868]

What a can of worms! I remembered POLITICS as "The art of the possible", which I now look up anyway: It came from a quote by 19-th century German Otto von Bismarck. Cool quote, but guess who the WW2 battleship was named after? BTW the sport of boxing has been called the sweet science Economics has been called the dismal science and Mathematics has been called the queen of science(s), but it math a science itself, or just human imagination?

[@djhogan6105]

I like and have saved “…it’s made of un-obtanium…” by him, ahaha :) .

[@solarnaut]

@@michaellee6868 " hitler told churchill sinking the bismark was a thing that couldn't be done " and churchill told hitler that he knew it " But Great Britain Tried this thing that couldn't be done " and artfully found it possible to blow a hole right through it." B-)

[@donjones4719]

@@djhogan6105 The term unobtanium has been around for a long time, and it's such a useful term - I'm happy Adam uses it.

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

This first question is Adam's version of Dennis Hopper's (misguided) speech from SPEED: "A bomb is made to explode. That's its meaning. Its purpose. Your life is empty because you spend it trying to stop the bomb from becoming." - Dennis Hopper as Howard Payne. In this case, replace bomb with prop. When a prop/set piece is created for the purpose of destroying it, seeing it destroyed isn't sad, it's the fulfillment of purpose. And isn't that something we all strive for?

[@pharmdiddy5120]

Woooow I've been binge watching twoford myself! Great shout out!

[@carsonwhitty]

I love watching twoodfrd. He is the best! I am glad you gave him a shout out.

[@samtauser1292]

I Ted Woodford's practice of putting sand paper on a curved surface to sand the bridge of a guitar to fit perfectly to the curved top. It's a technique I have put into practice in my own crafting.

[@madp3d]

Hey Adam. Try clear packing tape. It sticks and stretches better than masking tape for greater pressure, allows visibility of the joint and any residuals can be easily sanded off. I use this method all the time with goofy shaped glue-ups. Thanks for your great content.

[@sailingeric]

The tape glue clamp thing is very common in wood working. I used it a lot for making tapered table legs. Some painters tape, scrap wood for stops, and MFD or plywood and you got a cheap jig for repeatable angled cuts.

[@frostdragon]

I literally slapped my head when he said this.

[@gregorymartinez3535]

I've built a few cigarbox guitars during quarantine and this tape and glue method was indescribable for working on necks.

[@robwilkes3351]

Talking about the masking tape+superglue idea, I've thrown out tons of ideas I got from KZbin during my time in the Coast Guard (as a machinery technician/ MK).

[@button-puncher]

I love Scotch double sided tape for holding stuff. (Clear tape in the yellow dispenser, not the foam stuff.) The adhesive is very aggressive. Great for holding supports in place too. Like parallels. You have to be careful when using it with wood though. The adhesive can rip the wood off.

[@donuts_are_holy3700]

Thanks for the awesome video! One watch repair channel that I really enjoy is Wrist Watch Revival, from Marshall Sutcliffe.

[@charlie9ine]

Perfect explanation of film as a product. Thanks

[@aachucko]

It sounds like you and I have gone down the same KZbin rabbit holes. Antique restoration and watch repair. Good stuff!!

[@aussiebloke609]

Every time I turn around, it seems Adam has been watching my favourite channels, like Clickspring and This Old Tony. He didn't mention which watchmaking and restoration channels he watches, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Handtool Rescue, Nekkid Watchmaker and/or Wristwatch Revival. :-)

[@DonOblivious]

Check out Wristwatch Revival. That's probably the channel Adam has been watching. It's really, really high quality. Even if you don't care about watches it's really well produced, filmed, recorded and narrated.

[@andrewrutter6767]

The masking tape trick I fist saw being used to hold thin metal sheet for milling. I now use it constantly.

[@wintersmores8077]

You should make the ‘not a lightsaber’ from The Adam Project on Netflix

[@GraemePayne1967Marine]

The tape and CA glue trick is also widely used in the woodworking world. Many of us use blue painters tape instead of masking tape because it has less residue. I occasionaly use double-sided tape for similar purposes. And for your main point, one reason I watch you and others on KZbin is to DISCOVER thing I didnt think of myself!

[@ShausagePizza]

Dood I’ve been watching wristwatch repair videos too. They are amazing to watch. Something about repairing something beautiful instead of throwing it out is so enjoyable to watch.

[@tactical_llamas]

It's interesting to hear your take on destroying models. I'm currently building several models that are going to be blown up. I wanted to keep one to display in my living room, but maybe screen use is a better use.

[@woodturner1954]

The masking tape and CA glue is a well known CNC Router trick for hold hard to clamp parts to the table. It works a on metal mills as well

[@tlgibson97]

The masking tape/superglue holding technique is just a homemade version of double sided tape. It just holds better while still being easily removed without damaging your part. I see it used often when woodworking with a CNC router.

[@scottwatrous]

I saw the Tape + Superglue method on NYCCNC where they were CNC engraving a thin metal plate that was held down as such. The method is one I've used for CNC milling aluminum and steel and plastic where I needed to hold thin materials and couldn't afford it to lift off or move, which is what can happen hiding just clamps or screws. On a mill you can throw a mounting block into the vise, then surface your mounting platten so it's perfectly square and clean then apply tape, burnishing it on real good, and that tape will handle some decent cutting forces indeed.

[@DonOblivious]

I THOUGHT I learned that trick on NYC CNC, but I actually heard about it like 2 years earlier and Crimson Guitars, and he learned the trick from an apprentice at his shop. It's still fucking wild to me that this trick can stand up to CNC forces and not just like a sheet of sandpaper glued to a table!

[@acoop101]

I use the same technique when grinding pebbles on knives to create a bit of a heat sink when doing my initial grind, so I don't burn up my fingers

[@RVSparky]

Thank you so much for the great answer. Makes a lot of sense.

[@thegaragewoodshop]

Hello Adam was wondering were you got your pneumatic pop rivet gun thank you and be safe

[@Heeby-Jeebies]

that masking tape + c.a. glue technique is something I saw a while back, and have also been waiting to use.

[@DaddyBeanDaddyBean]

I've seen videos of using that "masking tape & crazy glue" method when an end joint on vinyl plank flooring didn't get closed correctly. Tape on the floor, tape on a chunk of 2x4, glue the one to the other, and tap the block horizontally to drive the open seam closed.

[@TheOdditee]

Watch repair and Ted Woodford. My 2 other favorite channels. Amazing to hear u mention them.

[@devinnelson]

The masking tape + super glue technique is very popular in the guitar building world! I can't speak to who came up with it, but it's generally accepted to be *the* way to stabilize routing templates.

[@RocksterOO1]

Watch repair = "thrilling"! 😂😂👍 But it's so true. Watching really skilful people performing intricate, complex or difficult tasks with precision and apparently effortless competence can be incredibly... well, "thrilling"! lol

[@mikepipes6266]

John Saunders/NYCNC shows the tape and glue trick for workholding on CNC mills when cutting softer materials like aluminum and using lower cutting forces.

[@silasbeebe]

What watch is your daily wear?

[@TudorCarare]

I've used the masking tape and glue trick to mount a coat rack with a wood base plate to a door and a wall mounted beer opener with a similar base plate. Surprisingly sturdy and I can confirm they work long-term. I learned this from guitar luthier youtubers and I really didn't want to put a hole in my door or 4 screws in some very annoying concrete... also I don't have a drill.

[@vbaspcppguy]

The tape and CA glue is commonly used as a quick and cheap way to hold wood and other materials that don't heat up too much on CNC machines. It was a game changer for me. I still use double sided tape but the two types I have can pull bits of wood out of the work pieces on some types of wood.

[@DonOblivious]

>The tape and CA glue is commonly used as a quick and cheap way to hold wood and other materials that don't heat up too much on CNC machines. Before then people would just just glue the pieces down directly if the machining heat was low enough. Metal to metal with CA inbetween, blowtorch to get the part off the fixture. The masking tape-glue-masking tape cuts down on the razor blade cleanup.

[@vbaspcppguy]

@@DonOblivious I belive I've seen @clickspring do that on a lathe

[@careyian]

I use tape and glue for holding down parts on my CNC, works a treat!

[@seldoon_nemar]

Talking about holding onto objects after filming, apparently HBO keeps everything and it's one of the reason they have such high production values. they can just reach in and pull out whatever they need for a show, and if they don't have it they wont need to do it again after the first time

[@davincidamaster5311]

Only Adam would call a watch repairing video "Very Thrilling" xD

[@DonOblivious]

They can be a lot more interesting than you expect. I highly recommend Wristwatch Repair. Good audio, good video. Repairing watches is just his hobby but his main job means that he already knows how to narrate and produce a high quality video. Even if you don't care at all about watches you'll understand the "very thrilling" comment because there are lots of little "wins" in the steps to getting a watch running again and the presenter is just so enthusiastic about winning those little battles. Doesn't matter if you don't care about watches. Go check it out. If you're at all in to highly precise machining it's super interesting. "This Beat Up, Non-Running Omega Seamaster Has Big Potential! Vintage Watch Restoration" is the most popular video. There are lots of extreme closeup shots, in focus, detailing the crazy machining. Like, the quality actually dips when he puts it under a microscope because his macro filming lenses are higher quality than his microscope.

[@ericthompson3982]

He called out my watch repair hobby! Holy crap!

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

Watch repair is my current obsession also! Additionally lock picking videos! (shout out for lock picking lawyer!). Double additionally...Resin table/scupture builders. Combining carpentry and art, its a real joy.

[@DonOblivious]

Sounds like we subscribe to a lot of the same channels!

[@CarboniteDreamer]

i remember you on another show talking about this exact thing with the big crane that was down in Zion that crashed. lol and how you had to glue the elevator in place lol.

[@WesDoesStuff]

The masking tape CA glue trick is great for painting small things. Painters tape on a stick, glue another piece of painters tape smooth side down to the first, then stick whatever you want painted to the sticky stick. It's basically just double sided painters tape but I've never seen that.

[@FXPearStudio]

You can use this tape-superglue-tape even for machining parts of metal. I saw this first at NYC CNC channel

[@clickster1883]

(3:31) “It’s time for the film industry to celebrate itself.” 🤔… 😂🤣😂

[@jadenthomas8671]

“Ive been watching watch repair videos, very thrilling” lmao

[@patricksanders858]

I use tape as a mixing surface for epoxy. When you're done just pull it off and toss!

[@Snowshoeuke]

The masking tape/CA glue clap has been around for years-Or at least I’ve been using it for years and picked it up from another luthier. The cheap beige masking tape works best though.

[@prestonjanney4711]

First time I saw the tape/glue trick was a Jimmy Diresta video. He does it a lot.

[@azurplex]

I literally laughed aloud! Leave it to nerds like us who build, fix or otherwise are here watching Adam Savage to find watch repair "thrilling". I'm not knocking it. I actually thought "I should watch some of that next." I admit I've watched some clock repair vids. Tested could do a vid watching what kinds of paint dry the fastest and we would watch. No sarcasm. I would be useful so we can have a go-to type to use if we're under time constraints.

[@tpottrell]

The blue roll/glue trick is commonly used in woodworking too :)

[@smithdoesstuff]

“I’ve been watching watch fixing and watch restoration videos and those are thrilling.” This is the nerdiest thing I’ve ever heard and can identify 100% with this.

[@aerynmusick4548]

That tape and glue bit is going to do wonders for my cosplay build. That luthier is living in 3022!

[@rafezetter8003]

The tape glue thing I've been doing for literally years and years. You wanna hold 2 things together temporarily? This is the way to do it. The "old" way to do it was paper and PVA, so you dabbed a few drops of PVA onto the items, and put paper in between so the glue stuck to the paper and when you wanted to separate them, you just wedged it open and the paper tore off, but then you had the cleanup which took time etc, I think the tape and CA method was a natural evolution if this at some point in the last 30 odd years. Personally I prefer this method to double sided tape as some leave a horrible residue.

[@ElectroDFW]

Whenever I need to use double-stick tape and not have a residue, I'll pretape the parts with Scotch tape, folding over one end to make a little pull-tab, and then when I separate the pieces, the Scotch tape pulls the double stick tape right off with it.

[@DonOblivious]

>I think the tape and CA method was a natural evolution if this at some point in the last 30 odd years. That definitely sounds like an evolution to me, and the "god damnit this cleanup sucks" was probably the driver to get people to experiment. I really wouldn't be surprised if this technique was developed in parallel by multiple frustrated people and there is no one single inventor. An older CA method with metal machining was just just glue the workpiece to a flat surface. Heat breaks the CA glue bond, so you could glue some stock to a lathe and just use a blowtorch to separate them.

[@absentphantom9422]

Have you considered destroying previous builds so that you could repair them. Like the practice of mending pottery with gold.

[@BillyTzENDURO]

I saw this technique used to polish a blade! works with hot glue too. The guy took a 2x4 stuck masking tape to it and the blade and then hotglued it together, But the 2x4 in a vice and you're ready to polish!

[@scoutsatan6206]

Alec Steele is a metal worker and used the same technique when shaping a knife of putting masking tape on the knife and another price of metal and then super glueing the two pieces together so he has a way of holding it

[@esotericVideos]

A very Adam Savage quote: "I've recently been watching watch repair and watch restoration videos... those are really thrilling."

[@RataStuey]

The Victorville Film Archive is well worth looking up

[@tomt5745]

Why did I... would be a superb badge ;)

[@SkaBonez]

If you enjoy Twoodfrd's videos on luthier repairs, you might really like the content put out on Crimson Custom Guitars. Ben does some crazy builds and give himself plenty of challenges to work with. He also talks you thru the builds so you can kinda see how his mind ticks. He's the first one that I saw use that masking tape and super glue trick personally. Dont know how long its been popular among luthiers, but its definitely an established tool of the trade.

[@Pencilandpaperaddict]

Just a thought... would the masking tape, superglue and vice grip trick work (maybe with a hole in a piece of wood underneath for support) for aiding in the cutting into of... A new tin foil ball?

[@azurplex]

I've seen a lot of woodworkers using the tape and CA glue trick more in recent years. That Idea is spreading. I wouldn't have come up with it myself, not expecting the tape, meant to release easily to hold. But apparently, like hydraulic pressure, it's all about the dimensional area.

[@toddbob644]

In a way, the only time a project is ever truly finished is when you get to blow it up at the end!

[@houdin654jeff]

“I’ve been watching watch repair videos, those are really thrilling.” Only Adam could say that in a way that doesn’t sound arch or sarcastic at all. I could say that sentence and sincerely mean it and I’d definitely have to follow it with, “Totally not joking.”

[@hamonthecob]

90% of the woodworkers I watch use the masking tape and super glue method to hold stuff. I'm not sure how long that technique has been around, but it's pretty common, at least on KZbin.

[@ornurse2409]

I love the apron colors…. Reminds me of boba Fett…. If boba Fett had a workshop.

[@bjdenil]

Love watch repair videos!!!

[@timstackii]

Does the time fly while watching watch repair videos?

[@timstackii]

I'm sorry. I'll see myself out.

[@cpt_nordbart]

Adam watches Twoodford? How amazing.

[@jacobcrown7707]

Alex Steele is where I learned about the tape and super glue truck which he leaned from another maker. This was several years ago so I'm sure this truck has been around for a long time and You Tube is just helping to get it properly spread.

[@DonOblivious]

I think Alex Steele found it from NYC CNC. It was more common with the woodworkers but a lot of the metal workers learned it was viable way to hold pieces because of the NYC CNC videos about it. I think he name-checked the channel at some point. Wood-workers were using it earlier but "safe for woodworking" and "safe for metal working" is a pretty big leap and somebody had to put in the legwork to prove it's capable.

[@Holobrine]

4:44 Is twoodfrd the channel you mean?

[@douglascampbell9809]

It's so funny that I'm viewing this after watching a watch repair video.

[@thehorriblebright]

I got clued in to the masking tape/superglue trick a few years ago. It was in deed a gamechanger. Also picked it up from a luthier on youtube.

[@shanejayell]

I like the background head. Who's mold was it...?

[@Voirreydirector]

My hat is off to you for the nod to Debbie Reynolds, sir. You know your Hollywood history.

[@Jaszi007]

In a time where movies are getting churned out as content instead of films there isn’t much point to keep costumes from something that will most likely be forgotten within a year.

[@terryqueen3233]

Awesome!

[@brianmontgomery8268]

Where is the link for Ted Woodford?