Ask Me Anything About LDS Church History! (Feat. Don Bradley)

[@peskyplus]

When John Deli-Man goes to sleep at night, he checks under his bed for Don Bradley

[@krismurphy7711]

Hardly. Don knows a lot...BUT.... he hangs MAJOR ISSUES BY THREADS. And notice how often he admits a lack of specific knowledge.

[@kyles.9653]

@@krismurphy7711Did you super chat him?..

[@lukegraven7839]

I don’t think he does. John trusts science and Don trusts fairy tales and make believe.

[@SidVranes]

@@lukegraven7839 the only science John believes in is capitalism. He found a niche and he exploited it.

[@istj509]

@@krismurphy7711he is a history scholar. What are your credentials?

[@arbonransom8992]

I have no issues with Kwaku thinking we're weird as freemasons, I can laugh along with everyone. I do ask the Ward Radio crew to be respectful of talking about rituals that are supposed to not be shouted from the rooftops, leaked on the internet or not. Just cuz someone leaked endowment stuff doesn't make it ok for me to blurt stuff out on a livestream.

[@Dandeeman26]

That's fair and I agree.

[@Heartsinmelody]

Being cool trumps reverence here, unfortunately

[@angelalewis3645]

That’s fair and I agree. Reverence over cool.

[@germanmarine6582]

Agreed. I don’t know if they know how sacred those are. But they should be cautious

[@arbonransom8992]

I want to specify that I don't think Kwaku is going for 'cool points'. I'm not willing to go after his character. I believe him to be one of the rare people that are willing to be authentic in what they think and express. I like and respect that in a person. Also, the masonic ritual is not sacred like the endowment. My request for it not being blurted out in a video is based on a request for respect, just like we would to another denomination of Christian who maybe saw leaked footage of an endowment. Even they don't see it as important, and maybe are even deeply bothered by it, human to human decency should mean that it not be further leaked.

[@joeriv4151]

This episode was fantastic. Don Bradley is great 👍🏼

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[@kylethedalek]

He said Quoting Albert Pike (a well respect Freemason who has said many things that came true.) That is misquoting Freemasons. Either he is one, doesn’t know Pike, or is a lair. He knows a lot about masonry but not that?

[@TomahawkHorner]

You guys are my people! Finally, some down to earth funny normal people talking about the interesting stuff!

[@WARDRADIO]

WHO YOU CALLIN NORMAL@?@?

[@BravyM9]

You guys are great. I’m a boomer but l really enjoy Ward Radio.

[@bbqbros3648]

As a scholar myself, I appreciate Don’s view on debates. They really aren’t ways to settle matters of truth. Debates are mostly for entertainment purposes. And the “winner” is not always the most informed, rather, it’s whoever is perceived as the most aggressive, or the most passionate debater. This is why, in my opinion, debates are largely useless. I would rather have a discussion which implies that both people have open minds and are not going to defend their position regardless of what facts are presented before them.

[@krismurphy7711]

I disagree. I was involved in Political Debates...Campaigning. And yes, Style sometimes trumps all. BUT, I found that when a person debates using only TRUTHS and FACTS, coupled with being able to communicate decently, THAT EITHER PREVAILS OR IS EFFECTIVE. BUT... all I use are Truths and Facts HERE in discussing LDS History, and most of the time it falls on deaf or jaded ears. You can tell people, to their face, 100% truth, and they still can and will reject based on their biases.

[@ruralgirl13]

Cardon thanks for inserting some humor here in a discussion which while interesting, was sometimes difficult to navigate given the way it was presented. Btw, Yes the correct answer to "Coke or Pepsi?" is always Dr. Pepper!

[@NitaOrell]

Don Bradley is awesome! All you are...but the conversation with all of you together...exponential. Love this!

[@jesswillans3222]

Don, love the distinction between unhealthy debates vs a healthy dialectic. But you really do need to go on Michelle’s show. The psychologist in me makes it very clear, she is as genuinely kind and compassionate as any LDS podcaster I’m familiar! I imagine you both could learn from each other.

[@jessicarandall4016]

I love the church history episodes. They've sparked my interest in our history, even though I was raised by a super enthusiast. Also I could listen to Don b talk for hours.

[@bensmith2739]

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[@DGHamblin]

As a member of the church and a Freemason, Freemasonry isn't that weird. There is a lot of symbolism which you wouldn't understand without going through the training and catechism. It can be really cool to see the lost doctrine within Freemasonry which is missed by those who don't have the restored gospel. The reason scholars believe it didn't exist prior to the middle aged is the lack of written documentation before that time. Maybe Freemasonry didn't exist prior to that time. Maybe written documentation exists which hasn't been found. Maybe it was not written down prior to then due to the prohibition against writing down any part of the rituals. The prohibition still exists although it is largely ignored. The "founders" of Freemasonry could not have simply guessed and gotten so much information correct. If the endowment ceremony is true, then there must be a connection between Freemasonry and the ancient rites. By the way, as you know, there is evidence of the temple ceremony in the scriptures beginning with Adam and Eve, through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc. I love Kwaku so much! He has the best reactions to everything. And now my favorite Trump impression! Tell him that when y'all have me on the show, I'll bring my hammer for him to check out. 😂

[@dannyrocket77]

Would you recommend Free Masonry to a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!?

[@peskyplus]

I wanna be a Freemason some day

[@EdTravelingEast]

Former Freemason here, Salt Lake City Lodge. Eventually realized my time was better spent somewhere else.

[@phillipenkey3136]

I subscribed bc you brought on Don bradley, I love that guy. The truth will set us free

[@josephplayspickleball]

Great show great answers. Thank you to Don for answering the question of the William Clayton Journal, I appreciate it. The points I could not fit into the small chat were: Hyrum's deed is written out, with his name on it, and many lots given for $10,000. It is completed and notarized on the day of 12 July 1843. Then Emma's and the children's deed, but suddenly the writing on the back abruptly cuts off while naming another lot after listing all of the same on Hyrums.. Never notarized for some reason, so it's impossible to tell what day it was truly written on. Also, on Hyrums, only on the back side, his name is penciled out and "'Emma" is penciled in. This makes it seem like it comes later, why, I don't know. But the point is, his was dated by notary and not hers. My main point of bringing this up was to disprove a previous claim made on this show that Emma's part in D&C 132:57 alluding to Joseph not giving property out of his hands and then giving it to Emma on the same day as a holdup to not divorce him, was proof that D&C 132 is legit. If he actually told Clayton to write Hyrum a deed on the the day, it would mean that it was not because of a terrible fight and sorrow and tears between Emma and Joseph as William Clayton claimed in an affidavit many years later (1874). That's the main reason I brought it up, to say that it should not be used as a contemporary smoking gun for Joseph's polygamy revelation to Emma and her resistance to it. On the more speculative side, it is very interesting that in the journal entry, William Clayton mentions that Joseph gave the lots to Emma and that it was seemingly tied into receiving the revelation and her resistance to it. Why would he go to those lengths to tie those together and make sure to omit Hyrum's deed from his fair copy of his journal? (It was not written on the day of or it would be like his other journals and much messier). I do concede Don's point that the one thing that might make sense is that it could have been a mistake to give it to Hyrum, and he accidentally wrote it all out to Hyrum for some reason instead of Emma, as his deed was not included in the later book of deeds while Emmas was. Just seems strange to me that Clayton would make such a big mistake while it's all being notarized and everything and then somebody later has to edit with pencil, and then Emma's copy is never finished or notorized. I'll do more research into it. Again, thanks Don for answering and giving me points to consider and think about.

[@krismurphy7711]

BTW.... "lots"....???... So Joseph Smith was in the business(?) of selling lots?? To immigrants? THAT must have provided Joseph and Others(?) with some real cash??? Monetizing for The Lord???

[@frankcastle5513]

William Clayton's journal is not a journal, it is a later production, some sort of rewrite at best. And those "journals" will probably never see the light of day. So much for transparency.

[@Collados13]

@@krismurphy7711 Not as you put it, no. Joseph Smith was one of the most financially strapped; He was also in the habit of giving away tons of stuff, which made it impossible for him to make store keeping a remunerative enterprise for him. And... there is nothing wrong with someone - anyone - doing business for honest, fair, profit. Just because a person is a religious leader, doesn't mean they can live on air. Real Estate investment, as long as the charges are fair and equitable, is just as decent a 'living' as selling apples from a cart. It is true I haven't looked into this recently, but as general aspect, it is also fact that often Real Estate transfer deeds can reflect a price that is never paid. There is a huge legal difference between Giving a property, and Selling a property. If you give a person a piece of property, they can be taxed for Income on "Fair Market Value" (whether that value is fair or not). In essence, this could make it impossible for the receiver to do anything with the property, because really destitute people don't often have a ton of cash to pay those Income Taxes with !!! I know one state I lived in, they got away with that, by Selling. In Real Estate transaction "Non Disclosure" states, you can write the selling instrument out for "One dollar and other considerations", if you sell it for a million, or just that one dollar. A cute one I saw in the 80s, "One dollar, her love and delight she has given me, and other considerations..." it was a father to his daughter. Of course, he was giving her the property, but as long as she paid him that dollar, technically and legally that was Sold. The selling property to immigrants was sometimes done with enormously high interest rates, laws didn't used to prevent interest becoming part of the principle. Upton Sinclair alludes to this in his 'The Jungle' (Very depressing book, I don't recommend it unless a person needs a jab of harsh, brutal hopelessness by way of fiction.) Fact, a contract could be written in such a way, nothing was every paid off. Ever. There is absolutely NO occurrence of that with Joseph Smith, or any of the Smiths, I would say it applies to nobody, not a single person in Nauvoo. But as soon as you say 'never' or 'nobody', there's sure to be an instance, or someone, even if just only one! As far as using his position to steal people blind, there's not even inference either Hyrum or Joseph or Brigham Young ever did that. And, as far as those lots go, the amount listed could have simply been the Fair Market Value, and had nothing to do with with $ actually changing hands.

[@Collados13]

@@frankcastle5513 Thanks for pointing that out! So much out there, "So and So said..." about something that was written from what someone ELSE said; and then a different someone else interpreted; and then yet another else edited... and it comes out in quotation marks after being drug through 4 or 5 different people's angles. Ugh. I think half the stuff we think we know so much about, ends up being either slightly, or entirely different than the initial originator intended to mean.

[@davidcastoe1458]

I’m a Mormon Mason and I would love to clear some things up if you would like

[@rossm2102]

Don Bradley on 🔥! Another classic podcast with DB 1:22:09

[@villainrack]

This episode was heavy. Grateful for the discussion about the nature of God especially. I've also always felt connected to the belief of one ultimate God and didn't know if this conflicted with my belief in the Church. Maybe my doubt came more from the Latter-Day Saint cultural perspective than from doctrine

[@shibainferno]

51:31 D-Breezy is so smooth with it. I love the way he tries to share the truth and build bridges rather than “destroy” other views

[@ItsSnagret]

Don started the GenZ bro haircut before it was cool

[@Gallaghoul]

I call it The Labradoodle.

[@joepro66]

😂 I noticed that

[@mckennal.c.walker1336]

La-tter-da-y -doodle: Ladadoodle. Probably should just credit Don Bradley for originating the cut, the Ladadoodle.

[@jasonalanashby]

I just have to say, that the opening song gets me pumped up EVERY TIME! Its freaking epic!

[@MichaelRogerStDenis]

The Masonic initiation ceremony is both powerful and moving if done correctly. It's easy to throw it under the rug if you don't understand what you're looking at. You must understand the esoteric meanings of the Lodge before making a thorough judgment.

[@MichaelRogerStDenis]

If anyone has questions about the practices or the symbolism, I will gladly answer your questions.

[@wendyfoster5579]

Totally down for the debate, every episode with Don Bradley is 🔥. Robert Boylan is doing great work and I love to hear him close every argument in debates he does. I would be very interested in a follow up convo about Bruce Porters philosophy about the priesthood ban also. It was the first time I had heard of it.

[@Heartsinmelody]

Robert Boylen is a apologist hack. Not a sincere guy.

[@RamseyDewey]

Wait, did you say that Kwaku is a descendant of Wilford Woodruff? I don't even care if I misheard that, I'm calling him Cousin Kwaku from now on because Wilford Woodruff was my grandma's grandad, and I need more relatives in my life.

[@WARDRADIO]

The resemblance alone...

[@angellunahtx]

😂😂 that's funny. And when kwaku literally made a face, moved the mic, and didn't say anything was v funny

[@awfulwaffle1341]

I love seeing the ward radio guys make Don laugh. I want to see more Latter-day Saint scholars/apologists hanging out on this show.

[@jasonmears4393]

Brad witbecks hair reminds me of Hermey from rudolph, the red nose reindeer movie 😅

[@truthseeker7326]

It is so important that just one person speak at a time. When several people talk at the same time all comments become incomprehensible.

[@jasonorton8880]

Don Bradley is amazing. I recently finished his book on the lost 116 pages and was blown away. I understand so much better the organization of the Book of Mormon and the history surrounding it. Every time he's on Ward Radio I learn something new! Great show!

[@Commenter2121]

I appreciate that you guys are addressing Michelle Stone directly and agree with Don that a debate is probably not the best format. I would love to see a conversation between Don and Michelle though. Bring in Brian Hales and Jeremy Hoop and….ya buddy!

[@kevinpyne24]

Seriously great episode, I hope there are more! Don Bradley is legit!

[@drtimster]

Thanks!

[@My_Personal_Taste]

Very epic!

[@Kaydubbbb]

54:14 amen!

[@Freedom0rBust]

Ask Don, what his opinion what his The Book of Enoch? Joseph prophesied in D&C 107:57 "These things were all written in the book of aEnoch, and are to be testified of in due time." It would be a great episode.

[@angelalewis3645]

Kwaku’s Trump impression made my night! 😂

[@Not_so_greatScott]

fantastic show, as per usual. obrigado!

[@StompMom5]

Don is spot on with his debate statement!! It's not discussion, it's argument. Especially when one person uses facts while the other is attached to emotional entitlement to a subject that triggers them. Also, the comments on here are hilarious🤣. I find it funny people are so offended that Joseph ever existed when we have men putting dresses on to cheat women out of sports and free access to them in locker rooms and prisons where they can do with them what they please. But putting that aside if anyone reads the Bible, it seems prophets are very human, they make some doozies.

[@pktheviking]

I have heard this channel say several times that Joseph Smith lost his children due to his faith/calling. But Emma also lost those children and suffered the same losses as Joseph except for her life. No mother would standby like she did, if she didn't know it was true and so was Joseph's work and calling.

[@oshemer5066]

45:29-45:43; This was gut wrenching funny to me!

[@andrewbowles9753]

Just got my copy of Lost 116 pages.

[@jasonream7904]

OMG....I'm so entertained!

[@heatwaveo8]

The Great Isaiah Scroll from the Dead Sea Scrolls has all 66 Isaiah chapters intact, and is dated to 125 BC According to the Israel Museum, modern scholars accept Isaiah's official words to contain chapters 1-39, with 40-66 being from a later prophet in the Deuteronomist times. More interesting, though, is that Christ declares His messiahship using Isaiah 61:1-2. He never declares these scriptures as wrong, but rather, He uses them as reference. And then there is Doctrine and Covenants 113:7-10, where an answer is provided related to Isaiah 52, hinting that the chapter was written by Isaiah himself. All of this considered, it brings into question whether the scholarly conclusions are accurate.

[@aljeffs418]

Kawaku’s comments on Free-Masonic ceremonies were incredibly condescending, disrespectful, and hypocritical. I say that as an active, faithful, endowed member of the Church, as well as a Fellow Freemason. We’re saddened and upset when people make fun and expose the Sacred Temple ceremonies of the restoration…so why sit there and disrespect something whose philosophy is to Make Good Men Better using allegory and ritual in a somewhat similar way? Shameful comments sir.

[@sammoon67]

I’m a Freemason and Kweiku’s whole rant cracked me up!!!

[@wrxstigoabs]

I think the notion that Brigham Young didn’t want John Taylor to succeed him is dispelled by the fact that mere months before he died, BY asked Orson Hyde, who had been ordained as an apostle by Joseph Smith 3 years before John Taylor and was by 1877 3rd ranked, BY reminded OH of his role in co-signing the famous letter of complaint to Missouri Governor Lillburn Boggs that promoted his Extermination Order and, as a long consequence of that lapse of judgement, that could he switch places in rank in the 12 with JT thus deliberately placing JT in the ranking that ensured, in the succession of the Presidency protocol, that Taylor became the 3rd President of the Church.

[@angellunahtx]

Cardons Thanksgiving comment was hilariousss

[@shibainferno]

FYI The Sneetches is a simplified version of The Book of Mormon “coincidentally” also authored by a Dartmouth alum

[@WARDRADIO]

Lol.

[@veritas9243]

the host is an absolute goofball

[@ddbrosnahan]

Wilford Woodruff was sickened and died the next day after having dinner at the Bohemian Club in San Francisco. Was he poisoned?

[@dbat480]

Buddhism and Shintoism is full of the endowments tokens and signs. It's insane.

[@peterblair4781]

Don when will the lost pages of your lost pages book be available?

[@BenAnderson1]

Cardon: We have 7 minutes left.... ... Show ends 30 minutes later.... He had fewer "so on and so forth's" this time.

[@Musicbird83]

Kwaku cracks me up!

[@mysolesmiles]

the celestial kingdom not having 3 levels would explain the 7 heavens or 7 levels in the bible and apocrypha

[@lanedelano844]

There is some stuff online about there NOT being 3 levels in the CK. BTW, how can there be levels if the glory of the CK is one?

[@Heartsinmelody]

Lol you guys were commenting on Michelle stone video without even knowing it’s content - now that’s malpractice

[@richardallen383]

I’m not a subscriber mainly because I can’t commit to being available for the live broadcasts nor can I watch the posted videos in a timely manner. Nevertheless, I really enjoy your KZbin channel videos and watch them when I can get around to it even though my viewing is sporadic. I became aware of Don Bradley from watching you guys. I have purchased Don’s book on the Lost 116 Pages. It is an excellent book but not an easy read. Could you guys ask Don Bradley to make a diagram of what he thinks the Plates given by Moroni to the Prophet Joseph Smith look like. In this diagram it would be helpful if Don could label the sections of the plates as follows. Sealed Portion/Non Sealed Portion. The Non Sealed Portion hopefully could be further broken down into the Large Plates of Nephi and the Small Plates of Nephi. The Large Plates of Nephi could then be even further labeled the Lost 116 pages and the non-lost Large Plates of Nephi which make up roughly from the Words of Mormon to the end of The Book of Mormon. I think such a diagram would help me and others understand the issues around the Lost 116 Pages. In other words, it’s my understanding that Joseph didn’t have two separate sets of plates; one large set and one small set. The small plate abridgment was likely on the same size plates as the large plates and the plates in the sealed portion. I imagine that the small plates abridgment were on plates that were either at the beginning of the plates Moroni gave to Joseph or sandwiched between the Large Plates and the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon. Also I imagine that not all of the abridgment of the small plates was used to replace the Lost 116 Pages.

[@ClintThomsen]

I think it was Dan Ellsworth who dug into the deutero Isaiah thing and exposed a lot of holes in the scholarship. I’m surprised Don didn’t mention this.

[@kevinpyne24]

Jonah's in his ward's bishopric, right? Do you ever read in someone's records and make the mistake of saying "Welcome them into the ward by putting a W in the chat" instead of "by raise of the right hand?" 😂😂

[@jasonhardman1770]

Members on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint have the gift of the Holy Ghost given through priesthood authority. If creeds provide a common thread by which doctrine remains consistent and identifiable, there is no need for creeds when this gift of the Holy Ghost serves that purpose.

[@Musicbird83]

Ask my husband Cyle, (not my son Cyle, who did call his mother last night🤦🏼‍♀️) about the Huntington Joseph Smith cane. Crazy!

[@ydaani]

Every live stream I watch after the fact: Cardon: “OMG guys we are way over time. Hurry folks. We only have 7 minutes left before gotta go.” I look down and see video has another 30-60 minutes. Every. Time. lol

[@ydaani]

Also: I consider it a feature, not a bug.

[@turdfurgeson2575]

Don Bradley thinks the Earth is a sphere. I finally know something he doesn't! 😉

[@silent229]

i am watching this after the live stream but whoever is in charge of the cameras can you PLEASE STOP switching camera angle so fast? it giving me a headache

[@MichaelGMoney]

44:56 Damn Cardon, you sure know how to kill the vibe lol

[@isaacerickson6312]

I have a Mormon-Mason cousin that watches this show! You know who you are! Do something.

[@radybay9088]

He sure has a lot of facts. We should not be looking into chruch history though. It seems like he is going down a slippery slope here. I prefer listening to prophets seers and revelators - they guide us on what is relevant today. We don’t need to get worked up over history.

[@SimonDaumMusic]

Question I would love to have answered from Don, what are the arguments why Polygamie was stopped. Many critizice that the church just submitted to the state (well, its kind of what we read in Romans 13).. but if we ever get another chance, would love that

[@krismurphy7711]

So you support the idea of injecting an Old Testament Practice into a New Testament Church of Jesus Christ???

[@josephplayspickleball]

Definitely interesting. I think outside pressure has to be a huge factor. At least in getting the ideas flowing in woodruffs mind. The United States were cracking down hard on polygamy and ready to wipe it out completely, sending John Taylor into hiding, where he died. Woodruff mentions in the manifesto that it was better to stop polygamy than lose the temples. I believe he was inspired as well that it was the right step to take, even though it took more years to officially end the practice in the church. Would love to hear Dons take on this. I think outside pressure getting the ball rolling isn't a bad thing per se and we can honestly thank the US for being able to go after it to help the leaders to see things differently.

[@SimonDaumMusic]

@@josephplayspickleball I see it the same way, it just seems many argue that if it was from God, than they should not have cared about what the government wanted... D&C is clear about being subject to ruelrs etc, as long as they do not ask of us to do evil.. and so Romans 13 seems to match that aswell .... But I would welcome some more good argments in debates with our evangelical friends :)

[@josephplayspickleball]

@@SimonDaumMusic for sure. Another thing id like to ask is was Utah polygamy the same as Joseph's polygamy? Or is it clear that the way it went down was way beyond the scope of Joseph's alleged practice with it. If indeed he did practice it (which I'm open to), is there a marked shift in its practice and understanding, which might explain why it has to be shut down? I think it's an important question.

[@frankcastle5513]

@@josephplayspickleball Contemporaneous sources did not think that the 1890 manifesto was a revelation. And it goes against what WW said was a revelation in (Wilford Woodruff, Journal, 24 November 1889, CHL). Both IMO are not from God and neither was polygamy.

[@monkpato]

Keep Kwaiku off the show!

[@EverydayNormal]

1:37:00 Don doesn't mention that the "non-denial denial" contains a full denial denial from Joseph to Sidney. "I would further state that Mr. Smith denied to me the authorship of that letter."

[@onandagus1]

Nope. That's not a denial denial from Sidney. That's Sidney passing the denial buck to Joseph. Does Sidney actually believe that Joseph didn't write a letter? Based on the non-denial denial approach of Sidney's entire statement, it appears not.

[@EverydayNormal]

​@@onandagus1 I didn't say it was a denial from Sidney did I? I said the denial was from Joseph to Sidney. Thank you for confirming exactly what I wrote, even if you started it with an incorrect "nope". You frame it as though Sidney knows Joseph is guilty of the accusation but is lying about it. The correct way to read it is that Sidney is stating what he knows to be true and what he can legally back up in court. It is the best denial Sidney can possibly have as a mortal. Is Sidney lying about Joseph denying it to him? Possibly. Sidney's word isn't good for much either way since his words and actions across time contradict one another. In 1846 Sidney claims that he warned Joseph of his polygamous iniquity bringing ruin and destruction. If that is true then why did Sidney: 1. Provide the letter used in the "Affidavits and Certificates" paper used to disprove Bennett's claims. The same paper carried across the nation by 380 men who were sent away from their families for the purpose of denying Joseph's polygamy. 2. Invite Joseph to minister to his Daughter Eliza who was either very ill or dead, which ministering resulted in either Eliza's healing or raising from the dead. 3. Defend Joseph against Francis Higbee in court and claim that Joseph had only been honest. 4. Claim in August 1844 that Joseph and Hyrum, after their deaths, continue their positions and that Sidney would be the "spokesman" for the church. All of those events took place after the Happiness Letter/Bennett fiasco. Rigdon's words and actions during Joseph's life do not indicate he is one who believes ruin and destruction are coming because of polygamous iniquity. They are the words and actions of someone who has heard many rumors but believes his friend. Does Sidney actually believe that Joseph didn't write a letter? Based on his letter reporting facts which he has firsthand knowledge of, and his actions for years after that point, it appears so.

[@lanedelano844]

There wasn't a 2nd (Duetero) or 3rd (Trito) Isaiah. Avraham Gileadi convincingly shows there was only one Isaiah. In a nutshell, there are three breaks in the text, trouble at home, exile abroad, and happy homecoming, which crappy scholars think are three Isaiahs. But, there are other ways to break the text, namely a seven-part chiastic structure that spans the entire book. There is also the Servant/Tyrant parallelism that crosses the "three" Isaiahs. There is imagery that is consistent across the entire book of Isaiah. For example, flora represents people in a consistent way across all of Isaiah. Mountains, which represent nations, are consistent across all of Isaiah. There are many replacement words, such as hand and arm (and many many others), that are also used consistently across all of Isaiah. The idea of three Isaiah came to be because liberal (non-believing) scholars did not believe that Isaiah could really tell the future. With the idea that Isaiah could not see the future as their starting point, they developed the garbage theory that there must have been 3 Isaiahs.

[@jacobmayberry1126]

Gerritt Dirkmaat has argued that the Happiness letter was a forgery. I found his argument compelling.

[@onandagus1]

Love Gerritt. But not that argument. It was addressed on the episode.

[@Commenter2121]

Is there a way to contact Don directly? Or, how can we obtain the 30 contemporary sources that Joseph did indeed teach and practice polygamy? Don has referenced them multiple times and I’ve asked for them on a few different videos but no luck.

[@mysolesmiles]

Carden...Joe's "touchy touchy" is really creepy at times. 40 years of footage does not lie, nor the intuition of a good woman

[@bradengv5187]

Mormon Stories has a lot more content on point.

[@WARDRADIO]

The Komsomolskaya Pravda has a lot of content too.

[@TheJanesaw]

This a dad comment: Kwaku is always about getting the laugh on this show and I know that is his role, but the lack of respect about freemasonry easily translates to allowing/encouraging others to do the same with the temple ceremonies. For this reason I will not watch “leaked” footage of any others faiths or fraternities, even though the temptation is strong to do so. I think watching them is in of themselves disrespectful because your viewing something clearly they did not intent outsiders to watch and it is easy to misunderstand what you are watching.. Currently the elders in my ward are teaching an investigator that is a Freemason and I believe he would find Kwakus attitude offensive, then add Kwaku is a member of the church.

[@krismurphy7711]

SPOT ON... and he seemed not to realize his HYPOCRISY....almost like he had been drinking?

[@glover7620]

I completely agree. I found Kwaku’s mocking of others sacred ceremonies severely off-putting. Especially with how we are mocked in the same way. I know several LDS members who are also free masons and each have beautiful similarities. Even as a faithful LDS member, I can feel just as weird about our temple ceremonies as Kwaku says he feels about theirs. God cares about the intents of the heart. That’s what really matters.

[@krismurphy7711]

@@glover7620 It was/is utter hypocrisy and an insight into his true feelings.

[@kylecoleman1281]

It’s easy to make fun of the 1% because 99% are behind you, but sad when the 1% tries to make fun of the .01%.

[@angellunahtx]

Now I see why Brittney is called Brittany the shadow

[@greentinroof]

The Oath is in theaters December 8, 2023. Might be worth a supportive mention. I haven't seen it so I can't vouch for it. The trailers look good.

[@joshua.snyder]

Darin Southam is a grifter, using the church for a buck. The movie is slow, poorly made and a pale fan fiction to its source material.

[@Sonichistorian]

Kwaku’s Trump is classic!

[@joewalker643]

Wait. Don's smoking gun for church transparency is that they let him look at stuff in the restricted section? Not that they have let him publish or document stuff that he found there and if they were being transparent THERE WOULDNT BE A RESTRICTED SECTION. 🤦‍♂️

[@dannyrocket77]

I love you Jonah Barnes. So funny! Can we hangout?

[@kevinedward-jt2vs]

So Hyrum goes to an Indian theology prep school at Dartmouth, along with other family relatives, some of whom have connections to View of the Hebrews author, but nothing to see here, just move along!?!?!?!?

[@peterastill9208]

Do you check the beliefs of the church. I ask this because Jesus said one husband one wife in the new testament. How is it the church says that he had 3 wives. There is information that doesn't match here.

[@WARDRADIO]

Where'd he say that?

[@frankcastle5513]

Obviously one woman is not meet for one man. It takes many women, perhaps even 10 virgins to equal one man.

[@gwendolynwyne]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@WARDRADIO Jesus said that in Matt 19: 4-6 and Mark 10: 6-9.

[@ruralgirl13]

​@@gwendolynwyne Jesus was talking against divorce in those passages, not number of wives.

[@gwendolynwyne]

@@ruralgirl13 Jesus was asked about the precept of divorce, and chose to answer by teaching the law of marriage-and the law is “twain.”

[@swhisperingdove]

W

[@kevinedward-jt2vs]

Is there any chance you would allow Don Bradley sit down on your "show" with a non-mormon scholar and go over first hand historic evidence? Or are you afraid of a similar exmo vs momo smackdown?

[@romegypt5675]

Where is the oath movie discussion

[@WARDRADIO]

We went overtime and had to go… I guess I should change the title. I was really surprised how many super-chats we got for Don.

[@romegypt5675]

I guess that makes sense. Lots of antis are dumping the movie, no surprise. Was excited to see you guys review it, even if you didn't like it.@@WARDRADIO

[@AnonEmouseMan]

There was an interesting psychological perception experiment that happened previously. In a High School what seemed to be a documentary movie was shown in an auditorium to all of the attending teenagers. During the showing of this documentary film in the film itself a girl in a gorilla costume would walk around behind or in front of the main subjects, the main people who were being interviewed during this docu_film. When the kids in the audience were questioned individually by the psychologist researchers, half of the adolescent students claimed they didn't see the girl in the gorilla costume AND many argued against this having happened very strenuously. They couldn't believe that something that was out of place, that wasn't the main topic of an education movie they were required to watch could have something in it that was so completely outside of what they expected when they initially began to attentively watch this movie. This begs the question, what if the girl in the Gorilla custom had stepped out from behind the screen that the teenage students were watching and used The_Gorilla_Grip to shake their hand??? Would they have seen this girl in the Gorilla costume then??? Right in front of their face, as it were??? It would be like a creature had come from the smoke and shadows of the Nether_Lands. Now let me say that I am not Only a Fan of this young lady who did this in this psychological test movie... I really appreciate her as a human being living here on planet Earth. Now let us turn to the Israel_Palestine War to gain proper context for this principle because this is something that is on everyone's mind at the present time. Twelve year old girls were taken and brought into secret underground chambers where Anti_Israelis human sacrificed them, after raping then torturing them. You don't need to go to the shadows of the Dark Web to know about any of this because of all of the news that has been coming out of Palestine recently. These captured young Hebrew ladies were put on crosses where a nail gun was used to affix them to the "T"_like wooden structures. They were seductively pleasured by Anti_Israel females, whipped til their skin fell off their bodies, then the Anti_Israel females ritualistically drank the blood of the veins of the dying bodies of 12 year old Israelites and cannibalisticly ate the meat of their pitiful agonized bodies. The Anti_Israelite women who did this to some of the kidnapped women from the Rave Dance Get_Together that had been happening in South Israel at the time of the Palestinian attack... they did not become demon_spirit possessed despite these subterranean troglodyte rituals that seemed to be for that purpose... instead these girls participating in this shocking ritual abuse were possessed by three sets of three Goddesses. If you notice from both Greek and Ancient Egyptian Culture, the Goddesses were often grouped in threes AND also in groups of nine. Three times three equals nine. Joining the 9 Possessing Goddess spirits was Ares the Greek God of war (Astrologically Aries). So that gives the number 10. Ten (10) is where you symbolically have the phallus with the "1" numeral symbol and "0" which is the highly descriptive numeral anatomical reference symbol for the Goddesses [10]. Using occult number knowledge the number [10] tells that Man_Woman in eternal marriage are together forever (like an abstract concept is forever true). The Roman name for Greek God Ares is Mars. Mars is where the word marriage comes from. This shows the incredible importance of ritual... they are keys that unlock the gateway to power, money, fame, you name it. But don't women sin when they do this kind of thing to other women (the abuse of female combatants by other military female combatants)??? Answer: Not if the highest God of them all is Mars (or Ares, Aries, if you prefer) God of eternal marriage, God of war. People die during warfare all of the time, who is to determine what is a sin and what is not??? If the lower Gods say something is a sin, but the highest God says that an act of a female mortal is not a sin... then that's like the U.S. Supreme Court... the highest court wins in that legal situation. Prostitution potentially can be exceedingly lucrative. Is it wrong if a lower God deems it to be wrong??? Answer: Depends on what the Higher God says. If he and his numerous Goddess wives hold to the doctrine that the ends justify the means during hot or cold warfare, then clearly it is so that Harlotry is no longer considered a rebellion against the ultimate power in the Multi_Verse. Mars always wants his 10%, we have clearly already established that fact from previous cited precedent. The snake, goat, and dog, whether you consider this astrologically or see women interacting with these fleshy creatures online on a webcam in a petting Zoo... the concept of them connects to the chimera space aliens that future Earth Society is going to interact with frequently as we expand out into outer_space for the purpose of forever_war. As the saying goes make love not war. But the real truth is... like the Pat Benatar sung song says... "love is a battlefield". Love is war. This is why Mars is where the holy and righteous word Mar_riage comes from in the first place!!! Endless love is the love of a God for his Goddesses wives, endless hate is the hate that a Goddess wife has for her husband... this is the progression of human kind during the apotheosis process, women traveling to one polarity, men to the other, but both being sealed together in a Mar_Mon Temple. Mon means people of. Mars is the God of love and war. So Mar_Mon is the people of the God Mars... or spelled modernly, the word is Mormon. Who is right when it comes to victims killed during war (like the Russia_Ukraine war for example)??? We must let God decide and not judge un_righteously... for there have been casualties on both sides and actions taken during hot and cold war that have mitigating circumstances. Does sin... other than expediency during mortality... even apply to human females to begin with??? The female in her costume such as it is with The_Gorilla_Grip just walked by while you read this KZbin comment. Did you see her??? It's difficult to see someone that's in the back room somewhere... but eyes aren't the only means of gathering information. Jesus told men to love women no matter what... no matter what they have done or have not done. We do that through example by keeping the commandments of the Christos by us. In this way women see the zeal that we men have to fulfill every command of Jesus Christ... even if it means that someday we will be on the cross and our wives will be gathered together to sacrifice us before cannibalizing and drinking our blood. Or after... her preference. Women are the boss of the men after_all. We are merely their servants created to please while we obey the laws of the Goddesses. This is the order of Highest Heaven. Isn't it interesting that when you count all of those who participated or produced this Ward Radio show the number comes to eleven (11)??? . . .

[@dannyrocket77]

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[@lindapoffenroth6643]

Ok, here's a question for you guys. Why did the church change its views on abortion?? My sister joined the LDS Church in 1984 or 1985 and at that time she stated that the LDS church was strictly pro-life... but I see they have changed their views, now abortion is possible under certain conditions. Abortion is murder!! I think the church has changed its views is because they wanted to moderize with the times. Also they are afraid of loosing members....loosing member also means loosing money. Shame on the church for going along with the world views. Why don't you guys do a show on the church's view on abortion??? Also do a show on the planet "Kolob" you know where God supposedly lives and how man can become a "god" and have his own planet.....that would makw a very interesting show.

[@romme4204]

1:14:00

[@outsideview9052]

So a "co translator" of parts of the Book of Mormon would eventually leave the Church? I suppose that is a good way to separate the Church sucession of leadership with the authenticity of its devine calling by JS.

[@iamobtainment4739]

Soda questions why? if it were me I'd drink wine, than I'd drink coffee, than it's a toss up between soda and cigarettes. Literally soda is cigarette liquid in a can. With that the Free mason thing, the church actually resembles the Hopi rituals more than the free Masons.

[@hbofbyu1]

Please normalize your audio and don't lean into the mic when you laugh. I guess compression is what my ears were looking for.

[@MichaelRogerStDenis]

1:26:26 😂🤣😂🤣

[@13rycedave16]

Kris Murphys an odd duck in the live chat. He seem very angry. He says and I quote, "Joseph Smith's polygamy WAS OLD TESTAMENT!!!! HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRIST!!!!!!!!" well hate to break it to you Christ was the God of the old testement. This is stated by the LDS Church and other christian denominations. He also say Polygamy was a benefit and only practiced by men at the top. No thats not ture. If you read the old testement God (Who is Jesus in the ot) literaly gifts wives to some people and literaly tell them its fine. Yes it wasn't practiced by everyone but God never condowned it even in the NT. Kris is an interesting Man and I pray for him.

[@frankcastle5513]

Being a spectator, looking for the facts and truth, watched your episode and then watched Michelle Stones 2 episodes. What I saw was, the ametuer Michelle Stone lay out several cases illustrating with source documents where historians flat out put forward "models" that are based in falsehoods. One might call it malpractice, while others would simply call it lying. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad at how such an amateur can do better work than professionals. And it's not one example, it's many.

[@jeannycastro2379]

We don’t want your perspective on those two letters in the bottle that you say you wrote. We already know what you say. We want to see the letters. We want to corroborate your story.

[@lesgraham7722]

The infinite regression of Gods, is to me quite simple. Let them be one, even as we are one. The priesthood is without beginning of days and end of years, without father or mother. There is one power of Godliness and all who partake of it become one in Godhood. It isn't that complicated. Are there many personages, sure. They become one in ultimate power: One in Godliness: One God, many personages. It is the only way to go forward. It is similar in concept to the trinity idea, except it is many personages, many Gods who become as one God, advancing the creation of life for eternity.

[@stephenbrown2054]

I have a hard time watching your shows because you have too many commenters constantly talking over the guests. When you have guests on, just make it a one on one conversation without all the side comments.

[@c.douglass8170]

IMHO DB's bias is obvious. He leaves a lot of facts out of his "model" leading to distorted model. Show us sources, don't just give recollections. Recollections (especially if they are decades old, and heard them from someone else) are why we are in this mess.

[@krismurphy7711]

Kwaku...Thank You for your display of ridiculing Masonry....(Don't you know that your comments mirror the criticism of those who talk down LDS Temple Ceremony ???) I'm glad it's recorded. Future Use for sure.

[@krismurphy7711]

BTW.... You say I "have nothing good to offer the world'...?.... I'm not a claiming to be a Prophet. I'm not saying, nor have EVER SAID I know everything about ANY LDS History Topic. I'm simply HERE, PARTICIPATING, in the search for TRUTHS and FACTS. Originally I came to the Internet hoping there were answers/explanations for the problems I was seeing with Church History....BUT...after years of observing and listening, I have formed opinions based on TRUTHS and FACTS from LDS History. I am "getting on with my life" and I choose to participate in the PUBLIC DISCUSSION. I'm sorry your panties get in wad when you are confronted by Inconvenient Truths...or you start sweating when you HEAR or READ things you have not previously DIDN'T KNOW because you had NOT BEEN TAUGHT about them. That is a You Problem and a LDS Church Problem. @@rossm2102

[@shibainferno]

They address this at 1:12:03

[@krismurphy7711]

Spot on... 1:12:23 Kwaku being told he's acting like an Anti...but he doesn't see it?? lol@@shibainferno

[@krismurphy7711]

This Commenter does not agree with you about Kwaku. " @TheJanesaw 2 hours ago This a dad comment: Kwaku is always about getting the laugh on this show and I know that is his role, but the lack of respect about freemasonry easily translates to allowing/encouraging others to do the same with the temple ceremonies. For this reason I will not watch “leaked” footage of any others faiths or fraternities, even though the temptation is strong to do so. I think watching them is in of themselves disrespectful because your viewing something clearly they did not intent outsiders to watch and it is easy to misunderstand what you are watching.. Currently the elders in my ward are teaching an investigator that is a Freemason and I believe he would find Kwakus attitude offensive, then add Kwaku is a member of the church"@@rossm2102

[@shibainferno]

@@krismurphy7711 he might. It’s hard to know when he’s being hyperbolic or obtuse for entertainment purposes😁

[@krismurphy7711]

@bradwitbeck You didn't have to get in such a huff about Dartmouth and Alumni. Clearly Hyrum was alumni from Moors and I assume they had full access to Dartmouth Campus THEN and AFTER he attended?? Interesting to find out those dynamics. You guys seem VERY SENSITIVE to either The Dartmouth Connections or Me saying anything about it??? Are you that perturbed by what I post???

[@michaelhutchings6602]

I am genuinely curious: Are you married, or do you have children? You seem obsessed with various LDS KZbin channels and instantly post your insanity regardless of when a video is posted. There are only a small handful of possibilities: 1) You are an older person who is addicted to the internet and ignores your own family 2) You are alone and cope by stalking various LDS channels in some bizarre crusade 3) You are wasting the prime of your life with KZbin flame wars You won't respond but I would love to know more about you.

[@3DFLYLOW]

Ask me anything?....come on. Na.