Did the Coroner Make this Disaster Worse?

[@katietoole8345]

I know people say Americans are too litigious, but it would have been nice to be able to sue that captain into the dirt.

[@HelenaVanCity]

Me too. But "Great British" justice system is one big joke, sadly.

[@dh2032]

the not stopping bit?, it boat, or more of smaller, shipp, stopping would in volved putting ship in full revirse, the shipps propeler, really churned up the water, and anything in the water at that time too?, and that asouming a ship that size could stop that quickly?, that could, not? it would of just kept going?, but sucked, anything in the water right into to the propeler sping at full speed, and how many where one two, three? back enuth be run over, but gett such, in chopping/mincing thing on top of that too? true, there nothing stopping at least dropping life boats etc, but where also very close to the brige also? and boats not going stop, heading brige, while releasing you lift boat stuff? it was mess from the start? and pining on one person, wrong,

[@katim2644]

He either never touched another drink; or, drank himself to death. I wonder which it was.

[@HelenaVanCity]

@@dh2032 Captain, my captain! You have still not sobered up! Pity.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

@dh2032 Utter nonsense. That POS captain should have stopped and helped. He can be grateful my loved ones weren’t on that boat. I’d gladly do life in prison.

[@TreClaire]

I can not believe how openly callous and uncaring the captain and crew of the bigger ship were and not a single one was held in any way accountable, that’s absolutely horrendous

[@tarbhnathrac]

I'm really surprised that that excuse for a captain and human being didn't receive some vigilante justice along the way.

[@spookyfrogs1874]

his response seemed psychopathic. if i contributed to an accident 1/50th of that severity i would feel guilt for life and do everything i can to make it right. he just didn't care at all

[@barricade4617]

I wonder if he was ever permitted to sail again.

[@shadelings]

@@barricade4617 I'm sure he was, due to never being held accountable.

[@AndyAndy-bg7mv]

if your pissed who gives a shit

[@basementdwellercosplay]

The Bowbelle: captian drunk before the job and likely still drunk when they hit the marchioness, have a terrible lookout system who is also drunk, have a history of hitting another boat, and knew they hit the boat but didnt even attempt to stop and help Investigation: seems like equal fault here

[@Vi_Vi_1]

Right? That man deserved serious consequences and seems to have gotten barely a slap on the wrist

[@starfishsignal]

Yea, I don't get that either the investigation seems like it was pretty ad hoc

[@vdavis4785]

It hit other boats 9 times plus two bridges and one grounding. Unconscionable that it was still operating.

[@mellie4174]

Seriously...

[@guitstikkustoms4448]

There seemed to be a serious alcohol problem on that particular boat. If you read the full article, the cook was so drunk he was passed out and was in no condition to help.

[@PatKellyTeaches]

Bravo to the animator! The 3D re-enactments of the boats added so much to this documentary. Great work to all involved!

[@Carpedog2206]

Pretty sure it’s AI.

[@vagevurig]

@@Carpedog2206 the animations were made by the Oceanliner Designs team. Not AI.

[@PatKellyTeaches]

@@vagevurig Confirmed. Caitlin gives credit at the end of the vid

[@ericreese7792]

@@Carpedog2206 Our Friend Mike Brady would never.

[@smorebooks6038]

​@@vagevurigOceanliner Designs is one of my favorite channels- it was super awesome to see this collaboration ❤

[@suburbanchicks7637]

Thank you for mentioning the homophobia at play with the lack of care given to the living and dead victims. It’s an important piece.

[@myparceltape1169]

There was fear in it as well. Fear of the unknown as well as fear of catching a fatal disease. That has mostly gone now because it is known to be difficult to contract and drugs can hold it off for a lifetime.

[@ms.felonystrutter2472]

As a Transgurl who has been attacked twice this month...how do you think I feel with Trump coming into office ?

[@brandyjean7015]

Our girl Caitlin doesn't shy away from the uncomfortable truths.

[@EricaGamet]

@@myparceltape1169 Even in 1989 they were fully aware of how the disease was contracted... but they went with how they felt instead of the science.

[@morganpatterson1349]

@@myparceltape1169 misguided fear, my friend. You can defend that fear, I'm sure it was real for you. But the fear you are referring to is miniscule compared to a daily fear of violence inflicted on you and your loved ones. Trans and queer people live with fear of violence every day.

[@vivianeallen3334]

Imagine nearly drowning in a shipwreck, and the captain says that saving people "was not one of (his) top priorities"

[@Kenzalina_]

These poor families deserved so much better than they received. To have no one held accountable for a very avoidable accident, is a travesty. Not to mention the coroners terrible decisions.

[@Kurious_Kiwi]

Straight to jail

[@myparceltape1169]

I think the best thing he did was to get out of the way. He was going downstream and to get back he had to use the propeller and draw people into it. If he had thrown off lifebelts immediately they would be to far downstream from any survivors. A ship's boat would only be useful in daylight, if it could be launched. It wasn't a good enough crew to move abruptly from a routine mud dump trip to emergency rescue.

[@bubbadoo10]

@@myparceltape1169 People would also be being swept downstream, the lifeboats *could* have helped, and that's enough to have dropped them. To not have dropped the lifeboats on the assumption that they might not help.. why even have them then?

[@socialxchameleon]

It's a damn shame. If someone has that kind of inconsideration for other people, then that person shouldn't take a job that involves their safety

[@The_Sad_Goth]

The human tissue authority (HTA) is the government body which now regulates the handling and storage of all human tissue (living and deceased). The Marchioness disaster partially contributed to a massive overhaul of their systems and remit, and now today, the licensing and regulations are so so so strict to prevent things like the hand issue from happening again. I work in a hospital mortuary, and the level of information and monitoring of all samples and tissues is impressive. I also used to work at the coroners, and the senior coroner told me about this disaster, and how the coronial justice system was drastically changed afterwards (though not soon enough). Before she told me, I had no idea this even happened! The coronial system in the uk was largely unchanged since the Victorian era, and it was disasters like this which led to huge changes (for the better!) in the late 20th century

[@myparceltape1169]

Thank you. That is very illuminating.

[@NWolfsson]

The idea that the storages weren't cleaned and more importantly inventoried at least annually still baffles me. Even if it was an extra storage only used in large scale investigations.

[@lawrencebates8172]

@@NWolfsson It is crazy, but when it's just arbitrary samples to you and you're processing samples day in and day out you can lose sight of why keeping meticulous detailed documentation is so important. After all, in a cold room full of small vials, who could ever forget about a whole hand! Until it's two years later, most of the staff have turned over, and the older samples are buried in two layers of newer, 'really important' samples. Realistically, without strict monitoring these sorts of areas always end up sliding into chaos. I'm just glad these problems becoming public led to legislative changes that make similar issues less likely moving forward. There have been plenty of times that comparable problems have just been justified away and ignored.

[@Ciara_Turner]

I feel like it's also worth noting that the vast majority of the RNLI (lifeboat) crews around the UK are staffed by volunteers even now. They're an impressive charity and one I can't help but always support

[@randibgood]

Quite impressive! Thank you for supporting them!

[@sparklefairykitten]

It's enraging to me that the captain of the Bowbells got off Scott-free for what was essentially a hit-and-run. If a bus driver hit a car and kept going I can't imagine they would have gotten away with it like that.

[@bubbadoo10]

Even worse than that example, it's like a bus full of people got hit by a bigger bus!

[@myparceltape1169]

I'm glad he got his boat out of the way.

[@WarmSouthernSmiles]

@@myparceltape1169Exactly

[@reid3031]

​@@myparceltape1169geniuses be out here in the comments saying this, as if he couldn't have done absolutely anything to, say, release the lifeboats that he has for such an occasion before fleeing

[@myparceltape1169]

@@reid3031 I've had plenty time to mull over the thing. That crew weren't capable of suddenly performing a rescue at night. Maybe they could get a small boat away in daylight. If they had practiced. At least it didn't go astern to pick up survivors and draw them into the propeller.

[@cherylcampbell9369]

I have a grandchild who has decided they want to be in the death/burial services, and I shared your channel with them! Now they are a phlebotomist, and plans to keep going.

[@bubbadoo10]

That's awesome!!

[@TheFeralFerret]

The fact that 'captain' Henderson has kept his license is absolutely disgusting. What a vile excuse for a human.

[@vivianeallen3334]

"if your mortuary is so dirty that you cannot find a pair of hands for four years, you are no less than a butcher"

[@myparceltape1169]

Much, much worse. A butcher's shop would be closed until Environmental Health had checked that all fittings and furniture had been removed and burned or buried as hazardous waste and the premises had been scrubbed clean.

[@EmilyGOODEN0UGH]

Butchers are WAY cleaner than that.

[@merlapittman5034]

Actually, I think that's an insult to butchers

[@MFLimited]

I don’t think there are missing bits of animal around butcher shops

[@Burning_Dwarf]

Never went to a butchers where it couldn't even be a hypothetical, not just hygiene but they take care what is on their slab too

[@quiestinliteris]

10:10 Worth noting for some viewers that 6 British pints is 7.5 American pints. So for Americans, it's even worse that it initially sounds.

[@RobertLee-dc5cy]

I'd be interested to know what he was drinking, alcohol strength of drinks varies a lot, even more during this time period. Could be 3% mild beer, or 8% cider. Six pints of the later would leave most people unconscious.

[@WarmSouthernSmiles]

I don’t even know what a pint is, but if we call it a single drink of beer, 6 or more beers would leave me drunk drunk no matter what the alcohol content This is criminal. CRIMINAL. The fact that no one was held accountable was miscarriage of justice and a stain on everyone involved. As someone said above, I’m glad the boat was able to get the other boat out of the way so it wasn’t late getting to…I’m sorry, where were did they need to get to so urgently? I’m so glad they made it on time.

[@sandraisyearning]

And for all people using the metric system it’s 3,4 liters!

[@maryjoyspohrer256]

Good Gravy!!!!

[@moonprincess500]

Oh………that’s just…. You wouldn’t be allowed even operate a machine for even one pint! 7.5 American pints is basically a stay at home situation!

[@FreyasArts]

I am absolutely shocked at the utter lack of empathy that captain showed. No ounce of regret, how can someone be so cold in the face of what he directly caused?

[@junejunejuniejune]

unimaginable that you'd cause the death of over 100 people and not feel an ounce of remorse.

[@ShanRenxin]

I'm no psychologist, and the word "sociopath" gets thrown around a lot, but I think it's warranted in his case.

[@gabriellashimone6546]

A demon.

[@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206]

Never sober?

[@wanderinghistorian]

That chief mate who went back to open the door is a good lad. Hat's off to you sir.

[@Sadfilmguy]

Long time watcher and naval history enthusiast, very excited to watch on my lunch break. 30 seconds is so insanely fast for a vessel to sink it's kind of hard to believe.

[@titanscerw]

This. Also, naval fan and watcher of this channel. :) +][+

[@amandabell8827]

I remember the sinking of the Marchioness being reported on the news, I was 20 years old. It was horrifying! By the time I felt safe enough to go on a Thames party boat I was 53 years old and I was still nervous. Henderson should have gone to prison.

[@drakkondarkspell]

It does very much seem that he is one of Britain's most prolific serial killers.

[@tracyjane7724]

My friend's sister was supposed to be on it. I can't remember why she didn't go to the party but it saved her life. I was 19 at the time, and I've still never been on a party boat on the Thames. Won't be doing it in the future either.

[@myparceltape1169]

I won't. There are better things in life.

[@amandabell8827]

@tracyjane7724 It took me a long time but I'm glad I did, I got past the fear of the water so it worked out for me. I'm glad you're friend's sister didn't go x

[@MFLimited]

I’ve still never been on one. Well, I was, but it didn’t leave the dock.

[@ndawn90]

As soon as Caitlin said that the victims were mostly LGBTQ, and this happened in the 80s, I knew exactly where this story was going. I still hate where it went, but I knew where it was going...

[@scottessery100]

The society in the uk was deeply cruel s and discriminatory If you were poor a minority or different

[@MFLimited]

At least it was London in 1989. It wasn’t like the U.S. If it was America and the deep south back then people would’ve celebrated.

[@MFLimited]

@@scottessery100I disagree completely. London was the best place for LGBT people, particularly men. Particularly posh men! Especially compared to everywhere else in the world. Were you actually here or are you just spouting hateful rhetoric?

[@voiceofraisin3778]

The LGBTQ thing is mostly postdated knowledge, common opinion at the time was about a bunch of champagne quaffing yuppies (Young urban professionals), stock traders and other Thatcherites being killed. Decent left wingers were supporting the Miners not worrying about the idle rich. There wasnt a lot of sympathy for a bunch of rich right wingers. Stories about LGBTQ and so on only really came into common knowledge with the later enquiries and problems with people claiming bodies.

[@shirlysmilesmusic6919]

The 80s was a very different time.

[@bikeforever2016]

To be clear, the Royal National Lifeboat Association is a charity, funded by donations and staffed by volunteers. It does an incredible job, I'd hate for them to come in for criticism about the lack of safety on the Thames.

[@Julia-b7f1c]

Wasn't this the reason for setting up a permanent lifeboat station on the river?

[@randibgood]

They weren't in place at the time. At least that's what I got from the video.

[@Lesley-qf7ec]

Institution, not association. Nearly all crews are volunteers, except the Thames crews and those at Spurn Point because they’re so busy (and Spurn is remote). ALL funded by donations

[@kl6960]

The fact that they are not goverment funded (or that there isn't a similar goverment funded organisation serving the same purpose) is just ridiculous... If they are able to function based entirely on donations, it shows how huge is the need for their existence, and that this need is recognised by the society... but not by the government? wth...

[@frankcarter6427]

And the Royal Family charge the RNLI rent for the stations, we learned this 2 weeks ago - they are depraved

[@SAOS451316]

Our friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs involved in a Caitlin Doughty video? This was not an expected crossover. I have very many thoughts about this accident but today is not the day to share them. Thank you for the video Ms Doughty, team, and patreon members.

[@a.mcbear6774]

AHHHH, you beat me to it!

[@starfishsignal]

I was thinking the same thing re: Mike Brady!! Pleasantly surprised

[@olgabukaa8530]

same here. A very unexpected but welcomed crossover. While watching, I actually wondered about the animation. Now we need our friend Mike Brady and our Death Queen Caitlin in one video.

[@louiskeser9255]

This crossover wasn't on my bingo card, and now I am questioning why not?

[@katfayegarrett3872]

💙🚢🖤💀❤2 of my favorite KZbinrs. What a sad story.

[@MadzSaysWhat]

Jonathan Phang is a family friend (and a wonderful man) so it was a really surreal experience watching this but thank you Caitlin for always approaching these topics with such kindness, compassion and sensitivity

[@Amelthon]

"It would have saved a lot of questions." Dear god, that's horrifying. Couldn't bother to even pretend to care about the lives lost.

[@cbcbmad]

Thank you for giving more visibility to such awful acts of incompetence, not to mention miscarriages of justice

[@myparceltape1169]

What did they expect to gain from fingerprints? Were the police checking to see if there were any cold cases they could solve?

[@MFLimited]

@@myparceltape1169yep

[@amaltheayharnam7456]

It's always so nice to see how much the community cares about your videos. 2 minutes in and we have almost 300 likes and 65 comments, with just a little over 1000 views. And now I will enjoy another informative and entertaining video. Glad to have you back Caitlyn!

[@sleepykitty1985]

11 minutes and more than double ;)

[@amaltheayharnam7456]

@@sleepykitty1985 love to see it!

[@catxtrallways]

I'm here to pay reverence to the Death Mother's eulogies to those who have passed. Mento memori. May they rest in peace, and the surviving families have as much peace they can attain while living.

[@AirinMMilf09]

Her videos are why I’m on KZbin, she’s so intelligent and the way she explains everything that’s happening really clicks with me. She’s also beautiful and funny, I rewatch her uploads quite often.

[@Lewis-n3p8y]

I served 8 years active duty in the US Coast Guard. I'm speechless after watching this. 😢So sad.

[@hivelightlive]

The fact that they weren't even allowed to identify the dead is just horrendous. What were they even thinking

[@kingcosworth2643]

Screams arse covering

[@DoloresJNurss]

Whenever I think about moving to England it's things like this that remind me not to. I have friends in England. This abusively controlling parental attitude permeates every institution. Just the other day I watched a video on people sheltering in the underground system during the Blitz, and found out that at first they weren't even allowed in--while bombs dropped all around them--because it was too easy and might make them cowardly and lazy!

[@bondfool]

I think they thought that the victims’ queer or allied identities made them less human.

[@VVilde36]

@@DoloresJNurss we aren't any better- when I watched the max miller video I am sure you are reffering to, as a new orleanian this reflects how we were treated during katrina. one of my grannies good school buddies got hurled to the ground for daring to try to leave the city on foot, by a military prsonel sent to patrol the roads in and out. being she was 60 at the time of injury, she simply never healed.

[@MetalDog-]

@@bondfool I remember the reporting in the red tops initially being 'a bunch of rich yuppies got drunk, overcrowded a boat and died when their boat was in a collision with another boat'. Very much a 'they brought it on themselves' tone.

[@shawnpeterson3386]

"No one held to account." Every time I hear a story with that ending, I think of the Johnstown Flood. No one was held to account there either, and hundreds died. I don't know if that would make a good subject for a video.

[@sharonarmy9326]

An incredible story Look for a PBS special, maybe American Experience

[@katiekane5247]

I did a report on it in school, still think about it 😔

[@maryjoyspohrer256]

I agree.

[@brb_herding_cats]

Edit: I'm disgusted by the Bowbelle captain. It isn't even that he wasn't convicted, but that he just left the scene without rendering aid. Lovely to see/hear you!! I hope you're doing well

[@melina001a]

Unfortunately the UK does gave the Double Jepordy law you can't be charged for the same thing twice. A lot if things happened during this case that was wrong.

[@drakkondarkspell]

"They were never allowed to view the bodies of their loved ones before burial... It gets worse." Disgusting behavior by the coroner.

[@tarbhnathrac]

I don't understand this. The bodies must have been turned over to the families for burial. How could they stop them from looking?

[@evil1by1]

It seems pretty par for the course in the UK at the time. Did you read the other sentance where they withheld cancer diagnosis from women because they "didnt need to know" why part of their breast was being amputated. Then there was the whole Irish involuntary symphysiotomy and pubiotomy instead of cesarean delivery without telling let alone asking the women soley to prevent their ability to have more pregnancies without complications from prior or multiple cesarean sections. This left thousands of women in pain, immobile or incontinent all while their doctor knew why but withheld the information to avoid public backlash over what they had been doing to women in the dark.

[@MFLimited]

@@tarbhnathrac they stopped them temporarily

[@MFLimited]

@@evil1by1 at least England isn’t the hell that is the USA. That country really is evil. No one from the US can judge. And no one from any place aside from the US will anybody listen to the judgement of an American. No, that wasn’t normal behaviour in the UK. Some families were kept from viewing some of the victims due to the extent of decomposition and missing body parts of the bodies recovered later. This did happen after some of the terrorist bombings as well. Mostly only with bodies that could not be identified by looking at their faces. Yes, the buddies were released with their families to bury.

[@NWolfsson]

@@tarbhnathrac I would assume closed (sealed) casket and pressing for a rapid burial, plus as was said the disfiguration was either exaggerated or said to be bad enough to scare the families off insisting on viewing the corpse

[@Lovely2291]

I just can't imagine the sorrow and hurt those families went through. May these people rest easy, their families deserved better, they deserved better, the coroner is a monster.

[@myparceltape1169]

Stupid is what I would call him. I think I have only seen four dead bodies in my life but I always knew they were connected to living, feeling people.

[@rocbolt]

Wow those recreated animations were fantastic, kudos ‪@OceanlinerDesigns! I'm continuously impressed at the production value are treated to in this format

[@MFLimited]

Yes, I’ve read the description of how the disaster occurred so many times and this really seemed perfectly done

[@Eiji_Kirishima]

This is EXACTLY why boats and deep water terrify me, I feel horrible to all those souls lost and their families...

[@PeppieP]

This was beautifully explained. I remember this so well. Terrible treatment of the dead (and the living) all the way through. Thanks Caitlin

[@TheMrKristens]

Thank you for bringing awareness to so many stories and giving voices to these tragedies. We all have a story. A simple question from my son brought me to your channel about 7 years ago. I am so thankful for that question. Blessings to you and the team.

[@ace_r_ola]

Rejoice, the Death Mother has returned!

[@janineblaze3417]

Super happy to see another video on this channel.The poor victims and families that had to go through this ordeal .It’s abhorrent the indignities they had to go through.May they all have found peace .

[@Maplefairy777]

Once again Princess Diana and her beautiful heart shinning through as a beacon of love & care. My heart breaks for all the families affected in this tragedy. I’m glad changes were made to improve the safety of the river.

[@QueenOfRats13]

A video from my favorite mortician with animations from my favorite oceanliner team? Sign me up!

[@alexw.7097]

A consumer of two of my favorite historical KZbin channels AND a fan of chaos potatoes??? Can we be friends? 😂

[@JohnLaRue-zp2uj]

Excellent and informative Caitlin. I was a Firefighter/EMT during the 80's, and remember the panic folks had when HIV/AIDS was first discovered. We went on runs not really having a clear idea how to treat patients, so.....Universal Precautions were made standard on all runs. And just like with COVID, we had to learn on the job.

[@MFLimited]

Yes, it used to be called GRID (gay related immune deficiency). A lot of the precautions were actually good for everything.

[@raecheldeaton]

I’m letting this play silently at work so you can get the view and like and the almighty algorithm’s respect. I’ll come back later to rewatch.

[@Unfortunately_Mickey]

You really gotta care less about your entertainers.

[@malleymoments]

SOLIDARITY!

[@raecheldeaton]

@@Unfortunately_Mickey why are you even here?

[@Vi_Vi_1]

​@@Unfortunately_Mickeyyou really gotta care less about how other people spend their time

[@hollieginoza7935]

​@@Unfortunately_Mickey⅕

[@G.L.McCarthy-vr1oe]

Thank you for showing the faces of those who died! Those who survived are grateful!💜

[@TheSuzberry]

The animation was impressive. Thanks for another lesson in history and compassion.

[@ericreese7792]

The Oceanliner Designs team does good work.

[@emeraldgarrett]

What enrages me the most is that the coroner had the decency to decide on whether the families (or friends) were emotionally capable of identifiying their loved ones. It should have been a decision that should have been made by them not him.

[@myparceltape1169]

He was incompetent. He had forgotten that he was dealing with people who were alive as well as cold bodies from an unknown planet.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

TBF,people often overestimate their ability to stomach such things.Then they vomit and/or faint in the morgue and that is one more issue to deal with. "Oh but they saw the pics and didn't react badly" Yeah,but that was 20 years later,in a controlled environment,after most of the emotional impact had dissipated and without the other sensory input.

[@thevoid8948]

So glad to see you’re back!

[@6yjjk]

26:20 "In the 70s and 80s some doctors wouldn't tell people they had cancer because they did not need to know" In 1985 my great-grandfather, an ex-Navy man who still did push-ups in his early 80s, ended up in hospital wasting away, but fighting whatever the hell it was and determined to beat it. They didn't tell him what it was, for months. Finally he asked the doctor when he would get better. "I don't think you will, old chap." He gave up and died within days. But I don't think he ever knew it was cancer.

[@MFLimited]

He sounds like a cool man. Medicine used to be a lot more paternalistic, that’s for sure. But, did your grandfather actually want to know? Did he ask what precisely was wrong with him?

[@Sag3w0man]

Welcome back, Caitlin! Thank you for your research and retelling of this tragic story. I was 23 years old when this happened. The same age as some of the victims. May God rest their souls.

[@lilzajane]

This one was facinating. I remember so clearly the fear of AIDS, the misunderstanding of the disease. Isn't it a pity that so many suffered in life and in death due to the myths and misinformation of this horrible disease. Again Caitlin, you told the story so clearly and with so much empathy for the victims. The practices of time gone by seem unimaginable to us now, but, at the time, they were normal. Thank goodness we, as a society, have grown and changed. Let's hope and pray that things like this do not happen now, or in the future.

[@scubadudefrommaine]

@lilzajane I agree that it was a very different time in culture and society, the London of the 1980's simply put was much different than our present day outlook. I see many comments rhetorically asking how could this happen, but with an informed context it is very much understandable how it did in fact happen as it did. We simply have a different outlook on this event in 2024.

[@kingcosworth2643]

It was the same with covid, the fear mongering was off the scale with both AIDS and covid and both times created irrational responses and behaviours of people. Australia put people in camps during covid.

[@myparceltape1169]

You're right. It was a killer with no cure at that point. None the less, unless you have cuts on your hand and fumble about in the body cavity for a while there was no problem. Rubber gloves stopped transmission.

[@skunkoceros]

@@kingcosworth2643 where were these Australian "covid camps"?

[@katiekane5247]

​@@kingcosworth2643ouchy fauchi involved in both

[@harryfailsgaming1246]

I'm seated. The ad hasn't finished and I'm already seated

[@tyegordon]

I’m on the toilet so same here

[@josephzhang2492]

​@@tyegordonsame here 😂

[@AnaGolightly]

​@@tyegordon don't stay on the toilet too long you'll give yourself Hemorrhoids

[@XJunixAnnexKayxScarX]

I just did some chores in prep for my in-laws coming over, saw the notification and decided now was a good time to sit and relax 😂

[@MzShonuff123]

I’m sat ❤

[@rtyria]

I remember hearing about this, though I had forgotten the ships names. It happened the year before I started high school and my science teacher mentioned it. He had gone out on the lake (Lake Michigan) with some friends shortly after the Marchioness sank and the boat's electrical systems failed. It was dark and there was a freight ship not far away heading in their direction. My science teacher took his cigarette lighter and sat on the bow waving his arms around and making a ruckus while his friend tried to fix the lights quick. All he could think of was how the Marchioness sank and how if they got hit they would almost certainly die. Obviously he survived the experience, but I think it was a while before his friend could get him back on his boat.

[@yvonneridge8858]

I live in the UK & was 31 years old when this tragedy occurred - Very tragic - RIP to all those who lost their lives

[@festivalkyrie]

In 2019 we had an accident in Hungary, when a bigger ship bumped into a small ship on the Danube, and sank with 35 people on board. Within 5 minutes. It's horrifying how similar are these 2 cases o_o

[@obliviouscandybar]

Thank you for the respectful and informative video. A ship sinking in 30 seconds is hard for me to comprehend. For those that didn't see the oncoming ship, they had no time to react. And with it being night, trying to find your way up and out sounds near impossible.

[@appleschloss]

Oceanliner Designs mention! Brought me to tears man. Senseless mishandling and life loss so much so because of homophobia honestly.

[@myparceltape1169]

I think the lives were already lost but the mishandling of the situation made it worse.

[@cheshirewa1tz]

I had heard of this as someone who grew up in London but didn't know it in detail, thank you for covering this. An in depth and respectful video that covers so many issues that topics like these bring up. It's astonishing how much social attitudes have changed, drinking so much before work, the patrician attitude of the medical profession, etc

[@MkH-24]

You should do an episode on the ferry disaster in South Korea. Hundreds of people were killed, and most of them were high school children. A lot of people dont know about it because the Korean government tried to keep it quiet.

[@emxilyk]

I‘m pretty sure that she already did an in-depth video about it a while back…This particular case has always felt more like a mass murder situation than an accident to me, considering how everyone on board could’ve most likely been saved rather easily.

[@kamackmac]

I LOVE when two usually unrelated loved channels of mine come together. Oceanliner Designs and Caitlin? COLLAB? This was an absolutely wonderful somber learning experience, and I love the human aspect that both of you bring to your works.

[@ladellg267]

The horrors of the reality of what happened and the the aftermath is beyond sad and horrific. The fact the captain of the ship who hit them was never charged is insane. The morgue keeping the hands for years in garbage bags?!? WTF And glad to see you back Caitlin! You always bring the best content. Blessings

[@myparceltape1169]

Fingerprints can identify known criminals. They wasted their time.

[@sarahdugdale2764]

Dr Shepherd has written a book about his career in forensic pathology which talks about the Marchioness, among many other disasters. He describes all the confusing factors that went into what happened, and how it felt inside the situation, without excusing it. He also covers the inquiries that followed and how the press treated him. It's a worthwhile read. Thank you for this Caitlin, i really enjoy these long videos from you, always so empathetic.

[@jesusislord2009]

I like these stories because by you tell their stories you keep their memories alive.

[@d.eliza.art22]

Thank you so much, Caitlin and your collaborators, for sharing this story and telling it in such a dignified and informative way. I don't imagine I would have otherwise learned of this event and the people we lost without your dedication and determination to ensure such events and individuals are not forgotten.

[@SwearMY]

Thank you. I've seen other videos on the tragedy, but none of them went into the details afterward the way you did.

[@basingstoke63]

I met my future Wife two months previous to the disaster . We were in London on a date the night it Happened . We wondered what all the sirens , and low flying Helicopters were doing . It wasn't until the following day that we heard about it on the news . A month or so earlier , we had taken a river boat ride from , Hampton Court to Westminster pier . We vowed never to go by riverboat again . A sad story , almost on our doorstep , well researched , and as always , Compassionately told . ( Doctor Richard Shepherd is also known for performing / assisting with , Autopsies / Post Mortems on famous people , such as , Princess Diana and Elvis Presley )

[@templeofthemysticsoul2453]

Thank you for putting so much love, work and research into your videos… and thank you for sharing them with us!❤

[@daftirishmarej1827]

I remember this happening. There was such shock throughout the country. Thank you for covering it. Lovely to see you again!xxx

[@onlybecauseoftime]

So cool to see an Ocean Liner Designs animation in a Caitlin Doughty video! Love both channels, great crossover. :)

[@SourGir1986]

This is so heartbreaking. Thank you for giving this tragedy the attention and care it deserves.

[@allisonbergh4429]

It’s so nice to see you (and hear you) again! I really appreciate your clarity and compassion, and your dedication to what you do. Thank you so much for teaching us about these painful and sometimes disturbing things with sensitivity and caring. 🥰

[@quenepacrossing4675]

Damn, this one was grim. Every step of the way there was some horrifying yet avoidable negligence. It so deeply sad.

[@radicalvenus]

can't believe it took YT 4 minutes to let me know my favorite creator is on!! Always excited for your logical and compassionate takes 💕

[@jojojersey8190]

Excellent job telling this story. It's so incredibly sad.....

[@sandismith9909]

Those families were failed in every single way! Absolutely despicable! They killed all those people and just went back to their lives.

[@bowiearcangeli11]

Wow! My daughter turned 3 on August 19, 1989 but while it was an important day, I don’t ever remember hearing about this here in the States. So terrible and such a senseless tragedy. Thank you for sharing it. And our mutual friend Mike Brady? Isn’t he something! My husband and I both enjoy his channel and yours. Thank you for the collaboration and for the way you tell the stories. You are appreciated 💜

[@ivonna.tinkle]

30:02 The news articles about these young people with their lives sensessly cut short, made this video even more moving.

[@dearellisbell]

I was hoping you'd cover The Marchioness disaster one day, so good to see another video from you!

[@joannecormierable]

Such a wonderful suprise when a new video from you appears in my subscription feed!!! I'm so happy you still give a voice to these much needed stories despite the cost it has had on you personally ❤

[@vivianeallen3334]

Damn, that ship really did a hit-and-run

[@EloTheCurious]

Algorithm worked like I want today! Just got recommended this upload 51 minutes after upload! Hell yeah! Rip to the days I wouldn’t run into your videos for days or weeks after upload!

[@bebopcola2021]

What a horrific tale, but one you told with much needed clarity and empathy!

[@shanonstewart3279]

Totally squealed in delight to see the notification that you posted anew story. Thank you!

[@jessicahawks3223]

Thank you so much for standing up for families on identifying or seeing their family member after death even if hard to see..I wasn't allowed to see my mother after her death and was a closed casket..it's a piece of closer I will always suffer from no matter how she was going to look I wished I could of simple liked to see her no matter what to say goodbye with seeing her one last time

[@EvaChance-dq1is]

Caitlin, thank you so much for what you do. Your videos have helped me make peace with death when I was going through a terrible existential crisis. And it has given me the tools to talk to people in my life about their death plans. You are doing SUCH important work. Thank you.

[@lizcaldwell5685]

Wonderful narration, empathetic and informative. I remember this happening and learned more from you than the press at the time. Well done.

[@xdEddie_Edgy]

Perfect way to relax after work I'm so excited to watch!!!

[@eliasfender3532]

high quality visual content, interesting stories, presented with integrity and empathy - i am in love with this channel ♡

[@bunnygirl2448]

❤

[@autumnrain1892]

Everyone is coming to the living room to watch this as I type .... So excited for a new one!!!! ❤❤😂

[@Howiesgirl]

I was so happy to see that you had a new video up! This one was so heartbreaking, yet very interesting to watch. Thank you for putting it together for us.

[@peter_bazinet]

Such a tragic and sad story, beautifully told with great compassion. Thank you Caitlin. And I thought the animation looked familiar. I also follow Ocean Liner Designs.

[@phrayzar]

Thank you for covering this long forgotten story. My cousin died in this terrible accident/manslaughter. It was an experience that forever shaped my view on authority, organisations of power and how homosexual groups were viewed and treated within the larger society. He was a vibrant talented and intoxicatingly positive person. Unfortunately I still harbour illwill to the captain of the Bowbelle. Oh, and by the way you are among the top 0.05% that have astoundingly good hair.

[@Mermare]

The Bowbelle captain was absolutely a walker, and deserves your distance. He didn't know who he hit, and he didn't care. I'm sorry for your loss.

[@AshleyIsArtsy]

Amazed at the complete lack of human empathy or care for human life by the barge captain. Just astonished.

[@kingofallhallowseve]

Welcome back, Queen. I absolutely love everything you do

[@sm5728]

Omg! Death Mother returns!! ❤❤🎉💀

[@b3z3jm3nny]

A lot of stories told here are sad but this really hit me. I don’t usually cry watching your videos but tears have been flowing the whole video. What a tragic story.

[@MadDragon-lb7qg]

I was 16 when this happened, I remember the news report like it was yesterday.

[@Swampy0525]

"I still don't know whether I sent the right body back to her family in Australia" This quote made me so sad. I hope sometime after that interview she managed to get some sort of closure.

[@Muisclover217]

Caitlin I love your videos so much they are incredible I’m so glad your back❤️!!!!!

[@LemonPetrichor]

I always appreciate how thoughtful and considered these videos are. Amazing work on the animations as well, and a beautifully put together video. Thanks Caitlin!

[@Peppermint0M]

There is now a permanent Lifeboat Station with 24/7 staff on duty due to this disaster. Even decades later, we had to reassure my mum that my brother would be okay going on a Thames boat. He was the same age as many of the victims, she was the same age as them when it happened.

[@dawncathlene]

I went to England for my 30th birthday. I saw the memorial in the cathedral and remember standing in front of it quietly, looking at the names, thinking how recent they were. 11 years later this gives it more depth and meaning.

[@MFLimited]

You visited Southwark Cathedral. That’s the church I attend. I love it there. Yes, we have the memorial there and we have memorial services on anniversaries. We even have one of the survivors that works at the cathedral. Thank you for visiting.

[@janetflier6192]

Caitlin, I’ve missed you! So glad you’re back!!

[@Fretless99]

Welcome back Caitlin! It's so good to see you in my feed again. I really enjoyed the video, you handled it with care and concern, and a great deal of respect.