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[@nitehawk86]

I love these videos :) But which bromance is better, Drach and VGM, or Drach and Ryan from Battleship New Jersey?

[@tommytwotacos8106]

As much as I like your vids, brother, Ryan is kawaii AF when he starts to nerd out. Like you can tell that man dreams about steel and salt air.

[@kwad8]

What about Drach and Dr Clarke?

[@FrakkinGaiusBaltar]

Hannibal of Carthage and Brennus of the Senones try to find their way to Rome for 57 minutes and 55 seconds

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

it would be easier if the road were not strewn with potholes!

[@kingleech16]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Potholes build character.

[@quentinking4351]

>Drach takes Italian vacation >VGM tags along >We get to listen in on the conversations Yes Dad, we are winning

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

In the old PC game, Birth of the Federation ,there were Federation battleships (Sovereign Class) at Level 8 named USS Bismarck and USS Tirpitz. Many were named after historical battleships.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

A bit hard to hear at times with both the driving and the rain, but overall, quite the delightful Q&A. Italy of 10. It is cool to hear more on Stargate being brought up as well, indeed it would be neat to get scenes of full ZPM ancient ships. I also agree with you both that Sovereign is a battlecrusier/fast-battleship and Odyssey is a dreadnought. Plus, a neat convo on bridge designs. I look forward to the second part.

[@lordMartiya]

Gowron moving from his bird to the Negh'var is quite similar to Persano moving from the Re d'Italia to the Affondatore... Only HE remembered to warn the fleet.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

The Sovereign Class seems to me in 1920s-1945 parlance as a later Fast Battleship like the Iowas, Bismarcks, Littarios, Richelieus compared to the Galaxy Class' Treaty Battleship like the North Carolinas, Nelsons that had good armament but thinner armor to meet treaty requirements. The Sovereign is faster than the Galaxy yet is better protected and has slightly better main battery with the Type XII arrays (Mark 7 16-inchers vs Mark 6). Enterprise F Odyssey Class was certainly a dreadnaught along with the Jem Hadar super-battleship and Hutet.

[@jonathanstrong4812]

BANG B A N G BOOM!

[@SuperGamefreak18]

yeah doesnt the Sovereign techically has less mass than as a whole than the Galaxy class atleast a smaller profile

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@SuperGamefreak18 Yes, considerably less mass. 3.4-5 million to to 4.4 million. But, the Galaxy also has a lot of unused space.

[@hmsverdun]

I am a simple man I see a Vemom Geek Media post I like. If its Drachinifel as well I double like. (I may have to pay you all a large ammount of money if you include Dr Clarke in the whole thing as well).

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i mean if he's game

[@kathilmechworks4895]

As far as naming conventions we do know from DS9 there is a USS Mushashi a Sovereign class as well and if you go by STO there is a Bismark an Odyssey. Honestly have no problem with Japanese and German naming used. Still points of pride to those nations as much as names like Enterprise and Warspite are to the US and British.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

How lost we all are that every single one of us recognized the still shot of the Klingon from Final Frontier.

[@Corran51]

A mostly boarding type fleet in Sci-fi would surely be Gorn or maybe Reavers from Firefly as seen in the film Serenity

[@somestormchaseridjitwithwi2024]

These conversations you two have are my bread and butter. Absolutely fascinating stuff. Love it. :)

[@KyIeMcCIeIIan]

Phaser lances, mega pulse phasers, and the obligatory 3rd nacelle are ingrained as dreadnought cannon for me now. So, no, the Sovereign is no dreadnought. But after the refit it's coming close! I couldn't believe how many torpedo launchers they actually fit in there!

[@Yandarval]

2360s Galaxy=battleship warp 9.6. 2370s (Dominion War)=Fast battleship warp 9.9. Alternate timeline tri-nacelle=Dreadnought. Dom War Galaxies had extra Phasers strips, more powerful warpcores for warp 9.9, and were half empty with the labs, familiy spaces etc not fitted. More shield and power generators. Analagous to WWII ships sprouting AA guns on every remotely flat surface, as the war went on. It would not surprise me if a lot of space, but not mass, was taken up by a lot more torpedo storage. The 275 (including probe casings) canon number, is not going to cut it in wartime.

[@samuelvine]

Regarding the viewscreen dome idea, the Minbari from Babylon 5 do exactly that, 180 degrees above you with the dome able to shift to project other areas of the battle space. Really, really cool design.

[@MH-gm3ju]

The most starfleet-y ship name of former german or austrian ships would be in latin - USS Viribus Unitis - "with joint forces"

[@HD-mp6yy]

I hate Star Trek but I could listen Drach and Venom Geek talk about Star Trek navies and ships for months

[@kookoobrick54]

The Enterprise E is the Fast Battleship to the Enterprise D's Superdreadnaught

[@joeg1915]

Italy, eh? Now we know where the Cardassia/Fascism video was inspired.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

you got me

[@CJPeiper13]

Might the ship 'Ajax' from the movie Flash Gordon be close to a Trireme?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Hawkmen! DIIVVEEE!

[@WesAG23]

What did you guys think of William Shanter short film and the implications in it?

[@salnoto2322]

Spocks son....a ressurected kirk....by way of daystrom institute....or the enlightened soul of gary mitchell. All hail the one true trek!

[@dgthe3]

Drac has been popping up all over the internet for the past week or so.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

He certainly gets around

[@smh4683]

If you're looking for a submarine style bridge vs an open bridge in sci-fi, the best one I can think of is in B5, where Earth Alliance ships are submarine style, and Minbari ships are open style with a holographic screen providing a 360 view.

[@canisrufusuk]

For me the Sovereign is a specialised Galaxy. It feels like, suddenly faced with more military threats than in recent times, someone at Starfleet has said "Ok, the Galaxy is nice, it's firepower is what we want, but it's so expensive and resource heavy to build and maintain in large numbers.... take this jack of all trades and trim it down into a fast battleship". Then some starship designer has sat down the Galaxy specs and gone "Ok, what doesn't a fast battleship need?" Delete that.... upgrade what's left to the latest cutting edge version... wrap it in the smallest mass hull that will hold it and *ding* you have the Sovereign, a ship that will do the Galaxy's job in a battlefleet with less resource investment and will see you over until the brand new from scratch designs are ready.

[@Yandarval]

A Sov is basically a Galaxy sans familiy space and support systems like daycare. Sci labs probably pared down to being modular and not as many. Unlike the Galaxy that had a lab for every speciality, plus configurable ones for the geek of the week. Then endurance was likely cut in half. As a Sov is not going to be doing the 20 year missions the Galaxies were designed for.

[@nekophht]

If we account for the switch to phaser arrays and torpedo bays, the more Galaxy-style nacelles, the neck impulse engine... Ambassador-class could theoretically be the Dreadnought of classic Trek. Which would work with Galaxy being more of a standard type super dreadnought.

[@SPatrickRoss]

What about the bridge setup for the TOS Bird Of Prey?

[@merafirewing6591]

I forgot about the TOS Romulan Bird of Prey, and that it had a bridge.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@SPatrickRoss we did mention it though given the size of the ship that might have just been the conning tower

[@jasonparis5635]

Can you please do a ship chat for the Niagara class please

[@TaraWert1]

Closest I can think of in Sci-fi that might be sort of analogous to a trireme might be like the breach pods you see at times. Something almost exclusively designed to "ram and board" an enemy ship. Think Babylon 5 when Earth Force tries to retake the newly independent B5 Station.

[@BernddasBrotB7]

Splendid stuff!

[@merafirewing6591]

Would be cool if you could see the tos versions of Kelvin Timeline starships.

[@aesculetum]

Grav Lance ships from Honor Harrington's first book could be like a trireme.

[@jonathanstrong4812]

DAVID WEBER IS A VERY SMART FELLA YES INDEED

[@Al1701]

18:20, interesting that that is what the Minbari have on Babylon 5 where you have this 360° holographic projection surrounding you allowing you to see everything around you.

[@turkeytrac1]

Very old series of stories from American Sci fi author Fred Saberhagen, called "Berserker". The eliminate all life machine Berserkers will board and pilage human ships in a space version of the ancient roman corvus. They did that so they could better study humans for weaknesses.

[@jonathanstrong4812]

NASTY AND UNSPEAKABLE THOSE DAMN' THINGS

[@Eulemunin]

Battle Riders in Travaler might be close. Large enough to mount main caliber weapons but need to transported between systems by a carrier.

[@MercenaryPen]

on the subject of naming ships after pre-starfleet naval heroes, I'm pretty sure starfleet has a few from the Royal Navy such as the USS Hood (insofar as, even if named for the HMS Hood, that ship was named for a British admiral)

[@Psych1_-]

Hey I love your content! When going through stress it's really nice to kick back, and just nerd out on your content. Hey I was wondering if you could do a video on theory crafting say if the Romulans had waited for the Federation, and Klingons to be defeated by the Dominion, and how they would have then launched their attack with the goal of defeating the Dominion, and then defeating the weakened Federation, and Klingon empires. How it would have played out, if they would have lost or succeeded. Or other theoretical ideas on if things had played out differently than they did in lore. Borg attack Romulus instead of the Federation first. If the Klingons had actually gone into full civil war and how things would have played out across the quadrant etc.

[@manubremer8295]

Eith regards to the trireme: maybe the "daughtercraft" of the solar empires ultra battleships (Perry Rhodan) would fit that discreption. These daughtercraft where cruiser size and stayed most of the time relativly near their motherships so they could call for Backup if needed, however they mostly didn't use raming.

[@MercenaryPen]

on the subject of the theoretical Klingon boarding action aboard a Jem'Hadar ship, if this occurs in a larger action, then the more optimal tactic is to ram the boarded ship into a third vessel damaging/destroying it and leaving the ship that initiated the boarding action with a depleted crew

[@23GreyFox]

I see no problem in naming a Ship the USS Bismarck. I would proudly serve on her.

[@turkur4738]

Grappler ships from Outlaw Star could be a good fit for "spacefaring trierime". With the exception of the Outlaw Star herself, and a handful of other high-spec ships of the type, most of them are converted utility craft like tugs, SAR craft, recovery vessels, and the like, which use their utility arms to damage other ships at very close range (which is SORT of like ramming in a way...) in order to soften them up for boarding. Higher spec ones like the Outlaw Star and El Dorado probably don't count, owing to their range and FTL capability (and more extensive arsenals).

[@TheRezro]

I personally believe that teleporters in ST Enterprise are extremely dangerous and most were not rated for crew transportation until mid-23'th century. Where invention of replication (or specifically pattern storing) allow those to be much safer. We can safely assume that Archer was simply disregarding regulation and was just lucky that no one end teleported without liver. Worth to mention that Enterprise was really old when TOS take place. So it probably received crew rating upgrade just before the show. Worth to mention that they were mentioning food printers, so replicators were still new tech. Guy was also straight melted in TNG movie.

[@TheRezro]

Well... in Star Trek Beta canon we actually have SEVEN known ships called USS Bismark! It include one Constitution, Excelsior, Sovereign, Proxima, Defender (probably Atlas or Proxima variant, maybe the refit?) and one unknown. There is also ISS Bismark of the NX class, so there could be Prime Universe Columbia or Poseidon variant of this class. It is worth to mention that there is notable number of relevant Russian ships, as USSR is member of Federation.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

You guys should play that Warhammer 40k game I used to have as a kid called SPACE HULK. It took me YEARS of playing to beat that game. Absolute nightmare-level difficulty. For some reason, I played the sequel as well like I hadn't learned my lesson the first time.

[@Yandarval]

Drach has played. He even has the some of the Hen's teeth rare Battlefleet Gothic ship minis. You could often see the on the shelves behind him in earlier vids, before the library.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

@Yandarval and here I thought my particular brand of masochism was rare.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

@Yandarval my parents had seen that I would play that game all the time had it as a kid, and they mistakenly thought that I was enjoying myself and not just acting out of a compulsion driven by neurotic disorder. This led them to buy me the sequel game for Christmas that year, and you can't imagine the despair that I felt upon opening wrapping paper and seeing the box for Space Hulk 2 inside. They thought that they were being such good parents by paying attention to their little Tommy's interests and rewarding me for having gonevyet another entire year where I managed to refrain from murdering any of the pets in our neighborhood (or any of the neighbors in the neighborhood, either), and more importantly, I hadn't brought home any boyfriends that were noticeably identifiable visually as being the descendant of minorities. To clarify, as a straight dude, it would've really been a shocking event if it had transpired, but although I'm pretty sure that they'd eventually accept me as a gay, I have serious doubts that they would be so forgiving about me bringing home a black boyfriend. This estimation is informed by the experience of witnessing their reaction to my sister having done the same thing when she was in high school, just to provide context. Back to the point, here they are, with a mix of relief and gratitude, buying me the game that they thought I most wanted to have in the world, only to actually be sentencing me to seversl more months of grueling playathons and frustrating hell levels.

[@Yandarval]

@@tommytwotacos8106 I started 40k When it was Rogue Trader aka 1st ed. I got out at the end of 2nd. As it saw the money pit it was. So i changed to the other mini board game...Batteltech. Which does not care about WYSIWIG. As long as everyone knows the yellow bottlecap is a warhammer. its the record shetts thats important. The opposite of 40k.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

@Yandarval did you ever play Necromunda? I also loved Battletech and it's little brother, "Mechwarrior". I still yell "Death From Above" when I'm about to land a devastating hlow in combat (and I will typically yell, "CARRIER ARRIVED" when I happen a fight that's already in progress and feel the need to intervene).

[@knightofavalon86]

I know the size difference doesn't quite work, but I think the best comparison for a Sovereign is that a Galaxy is a Colorado and Sovereign is an Iowa.

[@jameslewis2635]

My point is probably extremely nerdy (and quite possibly wrong) but I think the best sci-fi universe to feature something akin to a 'trireme' in function would be the Battletech universe where in order to move between systems you generally have to dock with a 'jumpship'.

[@farshnuke]

I think the Defiant may be the closest to the Dreadnought in terms of how doctrinally its success changed the way ships were designed going forward. Granted the Defiant does not fill the same role as the Dreadnought in the battle but in the sense that there are pre and post Defiant ships it does. I am curious with Starfleet power most closely resembles the Russian navy in terms of embarrassing patheticness. (I'm speaking of when they made the journey led by the admiral that threw away binoculars)

[@jonathanstrong4812]

SMALL BUT VERY-POWERFUL AND LOADED EVERY POSSIBLE OF MORE BANG-BANGS NO SCIENCE-LABS NO FAMILIES JUST 50 OFFICERS AND CREWMEN

[@Ghostwriter2345]

As a place name, you could have a USS Bismarck for the city in North Dakota.

[@Revkor]

I see Sovereign as an Iowa

[@MercenaryPen]

Following crew unease at serving aboard the USS Decoy, the decision has been taken to rename it the USS Distraction

[@generalmartock4467]

Nice Video. To the German Ship Names, it also can be hard to pronounce some of them in english. Besides that, you see a USS Berlin in TNG stationed near or at the Neutral Zone. I imagine that there are some ships named after Federal German Navy Ships (Bundesmarine), which are primarily named after Citys, States, or Rivers. So there might be a possibility that there are a couple of german named ships in Star Fleet.

[@anarionelendili8961]

I was trying to think of cases of scifi boarding parties and trireme-equivalents. I don't think we should look at the muscle-powered as a criteria, just like we don't use sail-power as a criteria for the other spaceships (solar sail powered age of sail in space might be nice, and of course there is the RNC series by David Drake where the hyperspace currents are caught by electromagnetic sails, whose trim can influence travel time). I know there is one situation in the Lensman series, but it is more of a special case, as they needed to capture the ship rather than blow it to atoms (as a hint of the power creep, they smash a planet between two other planets moving at almost light speed later on in the series). The (Red) Barsoomians in the John Carter of Mars might do some boarding, but their fleet actions tend to involve more shooting and crippling the float tanks of the opposite sky ship to cause it to crash to the ground, IIRC. Babylon 5 of course has the boarding pods, because the attackers wanted to take over the station rather than blow it up. But those are more akin to ship's boats with marines, rather than a dedicated warship to try and ram/board the opposite number. But I am coming up a bit blank otherwise. Other than my usual "Corvus" series of starships in Master of Orion 2, using tractor beams or boarding torpedoes to get my marines aboard the enemy ship, to capture them for "technology transfer" and scrap. :)

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

basically a Xenosaga large ship bridge

[@dominik8005]

USS Emdem USS Berlin ship in Starfleet

[@jeffreymoon3752]

What about the Kazon in Voyager?

[@tommytwotacos8106]

The Ori storyline is where I checked out of Stargate. I was too busy with chicks at that point in time.

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

the sovereign is not a dreadnaught as it is the first of line of fast Capital ships/super cruisers designed to show what the federation can do both in terms of technology and weapons just like the Galaxy to impress any technological capabilities and the D'Deridix not to imtirdate as the Romluans do but more to say this what we can do with weapons you may have heard of the Galaxy well this is A Galaxy but built for combat and to serve as a command ship when fighting the borg. Basically the Reason How The Federation Expanded so Rapidly in the Early Part of The 24th Century is Becuase Star fleet showed off the Excelsior is big Cruiser One of the Largest and Most powerful Ships of the Era which then became the Starfleet Standard so you have Excelsior which for many smaller powers is big and impressive and then you have Ambassador which is even bigger and even more powerful Narandra and the Galaxy Starfleet is attracting member worlds to the Federation by using the same trick the Vulcans did in the 21st and 22nd Centuries to show why we are not be messed with which is big ship equals large scale power base and if we can build these ships in numbers think how many smaller ships we could build to flatten you which why we see the Andorrans the Vulcans closet rival of the pre federation era not engage them openly despite technical parity with the vulcans is we do not have anything big enough to fight such ships so we well play a clold war game instead even the 22nd century klingons do not fight the Vulcans and they were okay with just about anything just to get what they wanted or have a good punch up

[@Mr_Sovik]

Often when considering dreadnoughts, people overlook the qualities which made HMS Dreadnought revolutionary and all other warships obsolete. Having the best armour/shields or weapons are less important than the speed of the ship and the range of its weapons. My uninformed understanding of the HMS Dreadnought is that it could mount guns with ranges greater than its contemporaries. This combined with its unmatched speed, enabled it to theoretically engage and destroy any target without exposing itself to enemy weaponry, truly fearing nothing and earning its name. This sort of advantage does not seem present in the Sovereign class. Weapon ranges are rarely discussed in Star Trek, and both the impulse and warp capability of Sovereign remain unknown. However, in the engagements that we see of it, it is well within enemy weapon range and not able to escape, which should disqualify it as a dreadnought.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

So you'd say range is big part of a dreadnought. Then perhaps the Dreadnought of trek was the first ship to use photon torpedoes

[@Mr_Sovik]

@@venomgeekmedia9886, simply, I would define a dreadnought as any ship that introduces a decisive element of design that warrants a change in paradigm. I don't think this applies to photon torpedoes, because they fundamentally would have a lower range than whatever they succeeded. Antimatter warheads require continuous power to contain the antimatter and prevent a premature detonation, limiting their effective range.

[@keinname1636]

Starfleet might well use the names in use with the modern German Navy. It's states, places and bodies of water. I would totally sea a USS BERLIN or USS ELBE.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

And the USS Essen.

[@madrabbit9007]

I gotta ask, how fast is Drach driving in the rain? He looks to be flying like a bat out of hell!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Slower than the locals lol

[@HMSVanguard46]

Was the dreadnought question my question?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@HMSVanguard46 I believe so.

[@TheRezro]

While I don't agree that starships need full 360 degree visibility. Because what we see is already fused sensors. And as such main monitor with individual monitors for the operators is good enough in most cases. It still actually would be good idea to use sizable ceiling as astromonitos. Especially as at least most starfleet bridges were already shaped like domes. So like why not? Missed opportunity here.

[@splicetape9435]

In Drach's rewrite if SGU, the Solar System must have been a binary system before Destiny launched.

[@ciphernine7824]

The Enterprise-E is not a dreadnought. It's classified as an assault cruiser. The future Enterprise-D with three nacelles (from TNG finale, "All Good Things") was a dreadnought.

[@tommytwotacos8106]

Why does it look like they're on the correct side of the car and the correct side of the road?

[@Tj7606-y7z]

I know you're probably not gonna read this comment but what did you think of the sojourn?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

So I believe Drach has listened to it. I have not. But I mostly hear good things.

[@OidipusPrime]

Interesting conversation, but clean up the audio or get better mics, because this is barely watchable as it is now, had to turn everything up to max volume and still could barely hear some of what was said.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I can boost the gain but the rain is the rain

[@brobasticbroham446]

She's an Iowa (thumbnail)

[@tommytwotacos8106]

Great way to end your video, fellas.

[@Scotty8472]

weirdest RN name I've come across so far is probably the HMS Cockchafer

[@neilaslayer]

Thew audio is not very conducive to listening for an hour. The road noise, rain and wipers are just too loud to hear the gentleman in the vest clearly half of the time.

[@radicalgoodspeed16]

Sound isnt great your very quiet

[@shoootme]

Here is a thought on the names of ships in Star Trek, Universal Translators, it's not USS Piorun, it is USS Thunderbolt due to the translation software translating the text for the one English-speaking member of the crew. Then we have a species that developed on a world with no thunderstorms getting USS "Electricity From The Sky" and wondering what is going on with the ship's electrical systems and are they up to code?