Asking my Digimon locals what they want on the banlist!

[@Ashuhit]

I was not expecting RB1 Monzaemon to be picked. I never thought it was a problematic card. I suppose some decks struggle to get rid of it if they fall behind too much. Great video btw! It's lovely to see everybody's face ♥

[@VortexTCG]

I was shocked too, but I felt like it's definitely a hit that could happen. Does enable the majority of the deck, but I guess isn't the sole problematic card in the deck? And thanks!

[@iCEBORN777]

Mirage is played because the meta is the way it is. He counters Ukkomon BT16, ignores attack redirect and bounces all the poop deck stuff as well as Armor Purge. If they hit the decks that should have been hit few months ago (Poop stuff, Patamon decks and prohibit the use of certain things like Ukkobros, Shoto + Mother, limit the Magna option and new Imperial option and Emissery) then single stack deletion will be back in the meta. Also, the BT17 meta is mostly focused around hybrids and things like SoC that both deal with Mirage for a low memory cost. MagnaX will also stay in the meta but hopefully the Vaccines will be hit enough for it to just be a good deck not a meta leader. Limiting Mirage Burst mode might make people happy cuz they are essentially removing the otk option the deck has but let's not forget the meta before the last ban list and that before MagnaX came into the picture Mirage wasn't really played as much and had about 8 tops from beginning of BT15 to the end of BT16 in all Asian regionals and bigger tournaments. I can even see decks like BWG coming back and even further limiting the potential of Mirage with tamer removal. This is why I'd wait a bit and see how the deck continues to perform with these changes before limiting BT11 Mirage rather than anything else.

[@Etschbeijer]

The pair banning or the ukos sounds like the best idea or limit its number in combination with Lui...

[@VortexTCG]

Agreed, definitely liked the idea of limit pairing the ukkos! Not sure if that'll include Lui though 🤔

[@diabeticjunkie9220]

BT11 MirageGaogamon over Burst Mode as the card is more oppressive being an all turns skill. Davis & Ken from BT16 is a card with too much value in my opinion. Promo Ukkomon should be the one getting limited as the new one is kinda more balanced being a 1 cost to digivolve onto an egg. The real question is though, what can come back or what can back as a two of right now

[@VortexTCG]

Yeah I think it could be either of the mirage cards, I get the reasoning for both. To be honest, I cannot imagine anything coming off the banlist this time round.

[@abyssteus1123]

Hopefully it will be a balanced ban list. Nice to hear different perspectives from a locals. Great video!

[@VortexTCG]

Thank you!

[@Lennette20th]

There’s been a method of giving goagamon jamming dedicated in the deck since BT-11 but for some reason people refuse to use Nicolai.

[@VortexTCG]

It's because Nicolai is bad, very little search for it + you can't cheat it out for free like Thomas. Gaogamon BT16 does everything the deck needs. An additional draw, refund on one memory AND jamming. Cards cracked.

[@guncannon109]

​@VortexTCG u also need Thomas on board to go into Burst Mode for free.

[@lunao17]

I would really like to see BT14 Patamon or BT14 TK hit because the free evo and recovery + memory is a really strong combination, especially in Armor Vaccine

[@InfectedGryphon]

The issue with ukko is desiging decks that don't need level 3s to advance their board state. Nume, Hybrids, etc. It's a game design issue more than a card issue. If ukko was as broke as people seem to think, you'd see 8 of it in everything. The reality is you don't. And a lot of decks even cut ukko completely cause you can't evolve on it and there's times any other rookie would have been better.

[@TylerKhan]

If Ukko breaks the game design, then the game design isn't broken. Ukko is. The problem is the consistency with very little room for error or luck. Ukko doesn't have to be universal to break the game. Many other card games have had to ban things that aren't used in every deck. Ukko also allows for you to play outside of what they are taking the direction of the game into. Tribals or matching colors. So far they are building Digimon to sway people into playing archetypes more often than a mash of things together. Look at bt16. The DNA deck possibilities are so fun because the effects try and target "free" traits. Even so newer Aces have been thoughtful so that Ace's aren't limited to their archetype but do benefit from their own.

[@InfectedGryphon]

"If Ukko breaks the game design, then the game design isn't broken. Ukko is." what? If ukko was breaking the game it would break it in anything you put it in. But that's just not the case. It only becomes an issue in decks that are designed a certain way. If something is only oppressive under specific circumstances, it's probably the fucking circumstances that are the issue my guy. It's almost like when a deck follows the standard game design of 3 -> 6, ukko isn't an issue? because as good as it is, its just that. a good card. No one is looking at Dexdoru and going "damn he plays 3 ukko? Ukko sure is a problem" Anything designed, that can do what other decks do for half the resouces, is ultimately going to be an issue because it means it doesn't need to commit to certain combo pieces. It can fill those empty slots with consistency cards, floodgates etc. It's like in YGO. Hand traps are strong, but they're not the issue. A deck that can afford to run 20+ hand traps cause it does so much with the bare minimum, is the issue. You dont look at that and go ban hand traps. If you do you're probably a moron. Stop designing things to run at full power with half the resources required as something else and enabling abuse of power cards.

[@TylerKhan]

@@InfectedGryphon what?. If you ever played any other card game. A card can break the game and not be able to be used in every deck.

[@InfectedGryphon]

@@TylerKhan Yes. Because inherently, on its own. It's not a broken card. its usually "breaks the game" because of some niche situation it can be used that enables it to be OP? yeah ? because its not good on its own? yeah? you still following? like a maybe a deck that doesnt need level 3s. 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@TheDescendingChaos]

@@InfectedGryphonBy that logic Apoclymon wasn’t an issue because it was only used in 1-2 decks.

[@badwulfe9801]

Limiting the ukkos would hurt low tier decks get in the game. But limiting pair nume and ukko other decks can still use you ukko but not abuse it in nume?

[@connorclarke1708]

The problem is then that they constantly have to design around ukkomon. The next deck that comes out that becomes an issue from it and has to be answered. Again and again and again. It's the Needlefiber issue from yugioh, ukkomon is the fulcrum.

[@Giuseppe.Cardillo]

I would hit ukkomon promo because you evolve for free and gain 1 when raising. Emissary is the yellow version of hpd so making it at 1 would be fair. Shoto Kazama and Mother D reaper just be pair restricted. I wanna play both ukkos because they re making Machinedramon playable. Exveemon as well cause its too much mem gain and gives jamming to Paildramon

[@relatosdeladimensiondifere9841]

I'm just here to say: Blue Flare support baby

[@VortexTCG]

Cannot wait!

[@enigmaticheart666]

I'm just not looking forward to the banningnof ukko and yellow vaxx (as much as I hate them) and then mirage and fuckin imperial run rampant as the best decks, uncontested. Hell, even dorugoramon at that point would likely be ungodly levels of obnoxious. Honestly though, I suspect the only reason we are getting a list is to sell new product lmfao. Magnamon sold a set, bt16 ukko sold a set, ukkomons and lui helped sell ancientgaruru (deck just doesn't compete without ukko) and now they need these cards gone to sell new product, which is fair enough I guess. Just really not looking forward to playing nothing but fuckin imperial; deck is easily just as turbo aids as nume, magna, or ancient but it gets a pass because it's "archetypal", as if it's somehow not utterly infuriating losing to jamming exvee swing, jamming pail 2x swing, option into dragon mode floodgate with fighter in hand. Just really hate how this game has gotten tbh And that's not even to touch mirage which otk's you and you can do nothing about it also.

[@omniemon]

Nooo way they will hit mirage burst, we're more than likely going to get a bt4 Thomas hit first before that. Mirage is good but it's still suseptible to most of the decks in the meta, bunnies can't be bounced, magna x unaffected, nume dedigi, vaccine dp reduction, they all have counters. While an otk is likely some games the overall match is not generally in Mirage's favor, you need a good pilot and alot of luck.

[@vonwafer12]

Big disagree on a Mirage hit. (Biased Mirage player opinion incoming lmaooo) So one of the reasons I play Mirage is because it actually has an out to what the current, and previous meta has thrown at us. For this one in particular, lets take Magnamon X for example and it's immunity. Mirage players swapped off BT11 MachGao for BT13 MachGao so we can't be redirected, even though that BT13 Mach was NEVER a thing before this meta. I love that this deck can adapt to what's happening around it. I feel it has no super big winning matchups to the top tiers, but almost goes even with many of them, and I love being able to compete with Nume, Magna, Yellow Vaccine, 7GDL, etc etc One thing I'd also like to call out, is where do we draw the line at what needs to be banned? In JP for example, we know for sure that AncientGaruru and Nume are top of the top, better than everything else by a mile. Let's say we hit Ukkos, and that's it. Considering that would hit those two decks, maybe knocking them down to where Mirage, Imperial, Magna, etc etc is, wouldn't that be a good thing in a way? Because if they bury a deck like Nume or Ancient, they'll have to hit all the decks I just listed as well no? I feel like this is a slippery slope lol ALSO, people who say BT11 Mirage to 1? That straight up kills the deck, no other Mirage is worth playing whatsoever, and I genuinely hope they don't go that route. If it were me, hit the Ukkos to 1, call it a day and see what the meta has to offer, idk.

[@elegantrose9579]

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