Cataclysm Killed Classic WoW

Today we see for ourselves why Cataclysm killed Classic WoW.
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[@T1cks1]

TLDR: his group couldent do hard content and he ragequits saying raids are too hard and killed classic

[@vanisyn2495]

lol sure... it had nothing to do with the fact that he couldn't find enough people for the raid to begin with....

[@sofienos1]

@@vanisyn2495 there are thousands playing on benediction , most people just don't wanna play on stream

[@ServeMySoul777]

Yup sounds about right to me

[@adrianreichelt7057]

Yes, Blackwing Normal is an insanely difficult raiding experience. The difficulty: Oh uh, ... do mechanics? "What, what's that, that doesn't show up on my irrelevant ass parses".

[@de-so]

This is normal lmao.

[@brucekentallen]

Let me guess... He doesn't get carried, is around 15th in dps and completely malds in the end?

[@Jacob-fz5ho]

everyone else's fault but also blizzard's fault

[@KodamaoftheWeastTree]

Closer to top DPS but only because he recruited a bunch of monkeys

[@BrianKnieling]

It’s actually pretty impressive to be this bad at the game my girlfriend is better and she primarily plays animal crossing now.

[@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p]

​@@BrianKnielinghealing and being told what to do doesn't make her good.

[@UkrRusSlavic]

@@BrianKnieling irrelevant, he was 99 percentile dps back in original Cata and MoP. Who cares about it now

[@wheelmangames5366]

Leading a Pug raid. In BWD of all places. You gotta love it!

[@jameskim1505]

Oh memories 😂😂

[@MrCarlinios]

Still giganerfed. 20% less HP, also I swear the damage of boss looks to be nerfed as well. That magmaw kill should have been a wipe at 40% or earlier

[@1Grainer1]

looks good after magmaw, when i was playing there was always problem with not enough mana from healers and not enough dps, funny thing is that i got replaced (druid tank) for a blood DK, who was top of healing done on top of what i was doing, trully balanced class, but that guild only was capable of killing magmaw, omnotron wasn't possible

[@Kahuno-WoW]

​@@1Grainer1I played healer and I remember having big mana issue compared to what I see here that's true 😅

[@piotrjeske4599]

I had similar expiriance with guild . Cata was the casual/dad guild killer. Heck hc dungeons were too hardfor a lot of people at the start

[@splatcomics3167]

At the end of the video, you explained the shadowflame / rooting mechanics well, and it took about 3 minutes ... and when asked why you did not explain it previously, to the raiders, you said that you did not want to waste time explaining to people who did not already know. However, if you are going to put together a raid of pretty much random players, you have to assume that they do not know. So by not "wasting time" for 3 minutes to explain the mechanics to them, you in fact ironically wasted about an hour wiping. I understand that patience is thin after doing this content a million times previously, but if you recruit random players, and then do not explain mechanics, you are setting yourself up for a lot of wasted time wiping :-( Love your videos

[@1bullneck1]

He is doing it for content. Don't sign up to an asmon raid if you want to actually do anything productive with your time.

[@SonOfNone]

... More time wiping than the morning after a drunken night out and binging taco bell.

[@Epck]

I full cleared it as the only pug in a raid group guild group that had been raiding in wrath but never actually played cata, RL went down the list of every single thing everyone was doing and each fight we killed with no real wipe prog besides nefarian who is actually hard

[@light1998tomachupete]

The problem is the content is 12 year old, tons of videos of povs and guides the information is there. The people could just see a video and try to undertans the fight or not even thst, just read the book of the mechsnics in game but I think is too much to así before joning a raid cuz people dont play to be better or the best they just wanna "chill " and whatever happens or a carry mind set

[@Regan5]

But then bald God wouldn't have content

[@TB-sw1tf]

He is surprised no warlocks were signing up. There were plenty of warlocks just none of them dumb enough to join with him and funnel him gear.

[@Not_Hans]

funnel his warrior warlock gear?

[@asasdsaasda]

@@Not_Hans boosting his ass

[@Aveniz]

Also why they give soulstone to dps? instead to have it on tank who got adds :D So many mistakes they made also unholy DK can't use skeleton army in first phase, because blood DK who got adds won't agro it through that army

[@TB-sw1tf]

@@Not_Hans carry him, warrior gear drops, warrior loots gear? hard concept.

[@marc-etiennemercier6584]

@@TB-sw1tf oh yea.. raiding with streamers is like playing monopoly with bankers

[@nutterbipple]

Dude grouped with a bunch of randos. Wipes to completely avoidable mechanics. Blames Cata for being "overtuned". His goons are mad fights aren't "stand-in-one-spot-spam-2-buttons" anymore.

[@light1998tomachupete]

You know what ? The worst part is that the fights rven in heroic are so much easier than private servers is a joke comoared to thos private servers and people csnt even do this shit on normal

[@KodamaoftheWeastTree]

Mage, Warlock, and DK are literally best classes rn for DPS, but he had literally no Warlocks, only 2 Mages, and 3 DKs, but he’s legit like, “omegalul let’s just run it.”

[@UltimaKrecia]

@@KodamaoftheWeastTree Kinda defeats the purpose of having 10+ dps classes when only 3 are the viable option that everyone defaults to.

[@KodamaoftheWeastTree]

@@UltimaKrecia that’s what caty was like. Everyone was like, “I want Cataclysm as it was, don’t change anything.” That was cata.

[@kyoden1928]

@@KodamaoftheWeastTree what??, sin rogue and arms warrior can beat MAGE in almost every single scenario possible lmao what kind of raids are u guys even doing

[@lawfrey3859]

I'm not that hype about Cata, but I don't really see the point this video is trying to make. You have a completely uncoordinated raid, led by a guy who remembers half of the mechanics and who does comms on stream delay. That they even killed the first boss under those conditions is testament to this stuff, at least on normal, really not being hard.

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

It’s just rage bait for all the 35yr old classic doomers that watch his react content and haven’t played wow in 15 years. Normal is a joke even with pugs, his stream just attracts some of the worst most casual players and this video is only proof of that

[@KimiRai208]

@@vaxxeenmtg9733I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. The casuals of WoW can’t even do a raid on normal difficulty. That’s a huge problem for the game in the long run considering casuals make up the majority of the player base.

[@christianalanwilson434]

"Casual" for teens and college kids is hardmode for gamer dads who also have to pass the IRL raid of trying to hide from their wife and kids long enough to play.

[@cannibalshredz5271]

@@christianalanwilson434 “wife agro” the quasi-mechanic

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

@@KimiRai208 this is the nerfed version of the raid. We did these raids unnerfed on way shittier PCs, way shittier internet 15 years ago. I cleared the tiers on heroic on a laptop with 5mpbs down. No wowhead guides for optimization. It took wiping and progression and it was fun. The thing is we have all those tools now, so now there’s no excuse for people to suck. If every game has to be dumbed down to LFR level then what’s the point. People hated and still hate LFR yet asmon sits here spawning more people who just want LFR but don’t want to admit it.

[@keytarkrazy12]

What a genius idea to explain the fight AFTER you rage quit. Definitely wouldn't have been helpful for the raid or anything!

[@HelloYersoGae]

Remember he is a content creator first and foremost. He NEEDS to pug this and NEEDS to be seen suffering by his viewers. This isn’t a tutorial, nobody want to watch a super successful raid

[@Mr123456rambo]

No caps, no good reforges, no prebis gear, not even play his rotation properly, do less damage than tanks, doesn't explain boss mechanics, doesn't even use a BWD weakaura or DBM, doesn't even read the dungeon journal to understand what he has to do, but he belives he can lead a pug group on week 1 on a pretty hard raid and oneshot everything. Classic streamer expected proficiency.

[@brucekentallen]

holy based

[@fataliity101]

once you install all your addons, you might as well not even play lol.

[@hayimemaishtee]

No addons is the way to play

[@cj55555c]

He still got more money then you

[@La-ld9mn]

@@cj55555c Proof that meritocracy is mostly bull in a world of sycophants that struggle to read.

[@Omba6666]

I love asmon as a streamer and a content creator, but he has really let himself go in terms of WoW. He needs to realise this, not only is he bitching and moaning about a raid thats actually really easy, but he just cant accept the fact that pugging a uncoordinated raid is just not gonna steamroll normal. Give it a couple weeks and people usually knows what to do, hell he doesnt even know what to do, he needs to stop shifting blame and accept that he is just making himself miserable doing shit, while also looking like a fool complaining about stuff that could be easily avoided with a little bit of effort.

[@BL-qs6iq]

Isn't that part of his appeal though? I love watching Asmon raids for the carnage, I hope they wipe.

[@Omba6666]

@@BL-qs6iq for sure, but i feel like there is a difference in him malding and being genuinly annoyed. I feel like him ranting about the difficulity here is just really sad honestly.

[@al.mandez6721]

​@@Omba6666it's funny. Don't take it so seriously.

[@blep668]

I agree 100%

[@Astral-Projector2389]

You know hes behaving like this to create content right?

[@Zockerjimmy]

Can't wait for Shadowlands Classic. This gonna be WoWs last chance!!!

[@rsEingana]

Lets farm BFA classic islands and Shadow lands Maw and Torgast 😂

[@yousif467]

The war within classic please

[@robs6404]

I’m unironically looking forward to it. Guessing it’ll be 2029.

[@mitchiranger]

@@rsEinganaI nearly just threw up a little reading this.

[@narthvader6298]

This is a very original joke you honestly should be proud.

[@allensmith2125]

Bro invited a bunch of random players and was like okay we good to go lol

[@MrNoucfeanor]

Ayep. Sad thing is, there are decent PUG raiders that actually know how to play, only to get kicked because you're a PUG player. Then folks bitch about not being able to find anyone... /shrug

[@theforlanjoker4457]

Yeh that's how I raid and we do all HC content, without discord. And it's eu servers

[@theforlanjoker4457]

Are server did all raids normal and heroic on first day

[@cmoney163]

@@MrNoucfeanorso true

[@luciananujic7550]

@@theforlanjoker4457 nothing special,for top guilds who did it before,whats the problem? its not new stuff

[@ravador]

This sort of toxic raid leading is what killed the game.

[@bashvash]

What about people who can't take 5 min to watch a vid on all the raid bosses from a 14 year old raid to get an idea of what to do instead of just expecting someone else to explain it to them so that they don't wipe the group? You ever have someone hire at your job and they don't bother AT ALL to try and learn anything? Show up late, still takes a minute to finish their/food drink before they clock in, goes to their position and just does the most half assed lazy job with no care or pride. Feels like you end up reteaching them the same shit you teach them every shift you work with them? They never ask questions about how to do things better / right? There were a lot of those people in this raid.

[@ravador]

@@bashvash A raid isn't a job. This is the exact problem with raiding. Toxic people liek you, demanding people who just came home from their real job to treat the game as another job.

[@bashvash]

​@@ravador What was toxic about what I said at all? The part where I want people to be held personally accountable? Where I expect people to make a little effort? A raid, much like a machine, works best when all of its parts are doing what they're supposed to be doing. If you're doing 10 man content, and 2 of your dps are under the tank, would you just continue wiping to the same dumb shit or would you speak up? Ima speak up my guy. I don't want to be the guy every week fucking up the mechanics, forcing the group to wipe and wasting everyone elses time. Maybe you're okay with that. I'm not.

[@qugo8158]

Where is Gus? We need him in these dire times.

[@cleversonsutil4495]

He's in another raid because he doesn't want to get ninja by his "BF"

[@optimistic5467]

Gus content was peak asmon

[@Bobthejohnny]

As a casual pug I got intemidated watching the Nefarian fight. But then I remember Asmon's 4 hour attempt at Gruul and now I'm chill

[@soulsharts]

My God, what a rotten attitude. Can't believe people want to play with him.

[@ComettYT]

I started playing wow in march and always heard the veteran youtubers and streamers talk about how raiding and dungeons were so difficult and how it was very unapproachable by new players, and it made me very scared of trying to do raids and I tried to avoid them as much as I could. BUT Literally 4 hours into cataclysm and every single boss was already killed in my server, and after only 1 week people were already looking for groups to farm spam the raids and dungeons, including myself. I think the fact these people got last expansion lvl gear, no consumables and only play once per month has probably more impact on them turbo wiping nonstop rather than the raid being actually hard.

[@d6v9]

@@ComettYT and honestly, where's the fun in something that everyone else can do so easily, raids are supposed to be hard and for people who actually know, enjoy and play the game.

[@marc-etiennemercier6584]

You can already tell a minute in that it's gonna be a failure but that's exactly what he wants... for content. I wouldn't join either lol.

[@Kahuno-WoW]

It was meant to be hard, it really felt like an achievement to kill bosses and I loved it Maybe today gamers prefer easy content but I love the feeling to improve as a guild each weeks (my opinion)

[@imfromtheinternett6155]

I feel ya . It also sucks depending on 24 other people to be competent . I know I play my class/role well but even one smoothbrain can cause a wipe . I mean shit even OG classic/vanilla is like that on some fights . . Heroic raids are fun but god damn do they get daunting when it’s the same people making mistakes over and over again lol

[@HelloYersoGae]

25 man is easier to cheese if you have at least 19 competent players to carry the rest. I’m glad my guild is doing 10mans instead. Three 10 man teams are already moving into heroic modes and the 25man team still can’t get passed atremedes cause too many people are dead from the neck up.

[@Keyy7787]

​@@HelloYersoGaenah same level of losing a player basically screws you on alot of the dps checks on the bosses that matter. There is a reason that they have the same number of completions roughly yet a vast majority of the best players focus on 25m and not 10.

[@RavenIV]

Tbh, everything from vanilla to cata should be free to play, it would finaly end that divide between players that are stuck on private servers and offi players...

[@NoNo-ll8og]

No, botting is already a huge issue. Free to play would make it much much worse

[@RavenIV]

@@NoNo-ll8og thats entirely on blizzard, they should have the means to deal with it permanently, long ago

[@yummychips_]

​@@RavenIV idk what you mean by them having the means to stop botting. As far as I know every major MMO has bots no matter what. I do agree with you that they should make it f2p. It would require massive rules tho if they want to reduce botting. I got some ideas. I am not sure it would be fun tho, and those private server and offline players might not enjoy these implemented rules and ideas. 1. Gold lock and limit. You can not use gold for player trades, mail, and there is a strict limit based per expac. 2. No AH. You can not use the AH to buy or post items. You can still directly trade items, but you will not be allowed to trade items for gold as gold trading is disabled. 3. No wow tokens, you can't buy or sell wow tokens with real money or in game gold. This is a big one, and it will automatically encourage botting if available. 4. Expac lock. You only play upto to a expac, and you may choose to raise that character up or not, but it isn't reversible. You may not acquire any item from the next expac from any source, trade, farming, drops, etc etc. You may not enter zones of those expac or do any quests related to the next expacs. These are some VERY heavy rules, but I believe they are required if you want a f2p that won't break the game. You have to understand, if f2p was just let loose up to what ever expac, there are countless ways to exploit it. The game was never designed for it, and people will abuse the system. People would make thousands of bots to farm lower level content 24/7 and flood the market with infinite gold, materials, and services. There is no easy solution, as if you allow any of the mentioned features still active, people will find a way to abuse.

[@RavenIV]

@@yummychips_ regarding wow token, if it would be f2p, token loses meaning, so no token required. By the rules you just stated you would just created a bit more prolonged free trial retail has now, which is the worst free trial of all MMOs, so no, there is no point to even go f2p. As of expansion locks, we are talking base game and first 3 expansions which are decades old, fucking why would you restrict them.... Regarding bots, yea, they would be a plague, perma bans to all of them and All the available means to get them out so for those brainrot people that create them even that idea to create a bit would be missery

[@aliengreen2364]

But blizzard thinks private server players might wanna pay them 15$ a month to play offices classic lol

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

Cata classic looks fun, leveling is a lot more smoother and not frustatling slow with community that likes to gatekeep leveling and dungeon farming from looks of it.

[@apensalesman]

Who gatekept leveling? Huh???? Unless you mean incursion spamming SoD I guess

[@Jarke]

If you watched his past streams he literally called this. He said he’d prob do some raids and rage quit due to the difficulty and party members messing up lol.

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

His community is full of bad players with shitty takes. Even he knows it was coming

[@FallingForgiveness]

@@vaxxeenmtg9733 wow is full of bad players with shitty takes. Hell, the internet is full of bad players with shitty takes, lets not pretend its an isolated event.

[@Trakhen]

but he's the one messing up? doesnt even know half the mechanics and is bottom dps as an arms warrior like what? Worst WoW player ive seen recently lmfao

[@MC-nt7jz]

most people who play classic are really bad. They don’t seem to care about improving much.

[@doggypopa2000]

It also killed WoW when it first came out

[@CL-jq1xs]

Not "killed" because it has to be dead already for that to make sense. Wow is not anywhere near dead as it is. Slowly dying? Yes. Dead? No.

[@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc]

This. I played since late BC and I also think Cataclysm was when WoW quality first took a SERIOUS dip down. I personally think Pandaria wasn't as bad as many people see it, though it was still a far cry from how it was before. And ever since then... Yeah.

[@ScorpBerserker]

Cataclysm was fine. We were able to return to Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms from that distant high level only sandboxes of Outland and Northrend. Pandaria and Dreanor was trash though.

[@inferno8008]

​@@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc I think Cata class design and talents were perfect..the old system..and it feels more complete that wotlk..

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

@@MarkKatz2772-jg3tc Vanilla, TBC, Wrath were goated, mostly due to nostalgia. Cataclysm was when the game started to feel worse to play. Not sure exactly why. It wasn't disasterous though, just felt worse than before. In MoP the game became good again, one of the best expansions imo. The PvP felt great due to the "ability bloat" and Throne of Thunder is probably the best raid Blizzard ever has done. Draenor was the first expansion that was outright garbage and the real downfall of WoW. Legion was an amazing expansion and on par with the other great ones. But after Legion it all just fell apart. Everything released since has been mediocre at best if not outright uninspiring and boring.

[@KinglyMinotaur]

Asmon talking to the group like they're children, and that he understands everything despite clearly forgetting how the pulls work is very funny to me

[@TW-sq5ix]

Turns out Asmon is garbage at WoW. Who would've thunk it?

[@sykowhite9465]

he was always garbage at the game. Its just he played 12h a day, not even that helped him be good. He is mediocre at best.

[@furyon9816]

like literally most WoW KZbinrs? :D

[@JanNohyl-gp4jz]

@@sykowhite9465 i mean running around in the city is and "complaining" about shit isnt really playing

[@Warmongeringgladiatorfoxyglint]

@@JanNohyl-gp4jzmy guy he gets paid sick stupid money for practically doing nothing. He doesn’t need to be good at anything or play in a certain way

[@muumuumu]

LOI getting carried again lmao

[@noided583]

Streamer man pugs raid with viewers and has a bad time. Who could have seen this coming?

[@Syndroo]

Streamer man continues to whine about a game he still plays while saying he’s quitting only to keep playing and continuing to whine

[@fenneck9676]

​​@@Syndrooyeah he quit but he didn't say he going to stop playing the game.

[@sanelseferovic2035]

he always crying :D

[@frewthelookingglass860]

@@Syndroohe quit playing the game as a full time job

[@redeyes3847]

@@Syndroocry

[@daqimber]

Asmon failed as RL in several aspects : healer assignment, raid cooldown rotation, clear task assignment. you can just assume people will do exactly what needs to be done in PUG raid , when they never killed (or maybe they did 10 years ago) Raids on normal are not that hard , but with randoms puting together (checking only ilvl) and not really leading them you simply can fail. And that is ok. Nefarian should not just fall over , because random unprepared group shows up.

[@Keyy7787]

I'm om you side to an extend he def should have done more especially with how bad the group was doing but as someone who has already cleared the content and raid lead everything from pugs to gdkps to guild runs it easily adds an hour to a run just explaining fights and it's really not that hard to spend a few mins watching a tldr guide on the fights. There are obviously some things that need to be pre decided in every raid but it's just better to get the important things out pull it and see what needs to be done to make it a better pull. Some level of minium effort has to be there though you don't deserve to clear the content if you just expect to show up know nothing and get carried or be the cause of the failure of the group imo.

[@MimiPipoo]

I'm having a blast with Cata. Game feels great. Revamped world levelling is 1000 times better than classic. Endgame content is so good and we know they won't leave it out for 11months like original.

[@JoshLineberry]

Yeah cata is great.

[@cheetahentertainment3374]

“Time to do the only thing i brought you in here to do, soulstone” “What’s that”

[@derodigital]

died laughing at this one

[@Nicon94]

time stamp?

[@AntonioPerez1990]

He literally never said that

[@soggybreadjohnson]

7:50

[@brandonnelson6076]

7:40 sorry don't know how to hyper link

[@lady_legs1968]

This was blizzard's last chance, how could they

[@Luna-wk7kf]

Satire?

[@truepatrician4700]

Their 28th last chance but i swear THIS TIME they won't get away with this

[@ollicron7397]

​@@Luna-wk7kfyeah it was their 28th last chance, get with the program.

[@kyleshuler2929]

How could they? They could because yall keep giving them money lmao

[@UncleHooston]

Don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll get plenty of other last chances.

[@bighammer624]

I mean wtf did you expect... I knew they were on the rock when they let classic go past Lich..

[@MattDamon69]

Omg like omg ur so smaht 🥴🥴🥴

[@janl5879]

BUT I WANNA PLAY MOP PVP EVERYBODY SAYS IS SO GOOD AND GREAT but I DIDNT PLAY ITITITIITT was born to late

[@SpocksBro]

Dude, Classic WoW ded

[@vividly94]

@@janl5879 Good luck whacking people for 10 minutes and getting no where.

[@janl5879]

@@vividly94 getting no where? bro i dont play this as a esport i just wanna play some arenas and have fun thats all lol get a life touch grass i like clearing my raid in a blink get fast geard and do nothing and play a bit of arenas RBG thats my jam on retail i cant do that

[@AntonioPerez1990]

I love seeing his enthusiasm decline every time he does classic raids

[@lordcheche5481]

Cataclysm didn t kill "classic wow", Cataclysm killed "The Wow", that s when I left wow in general. I came back for classic and leave again b4 cata.

[@EricEyetooth]

Why did you quit Cataclysm?

[@kyleshuler2929]

Makes sense. It killed actual WoW too.

[@acillius2]

Na, the stupid useless player base did that.

[@Richard-lc3jc]

stop yaping wow never gonna die

[@Amateracu1991DFFOO]

Cataclysm was a good expansion up until the last patch.

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

@@Amateracu1991DFFOO Last patch gave us transmoggin and made raids more relevant with LFR.

[@MrMittenshasatophat]

The server numbers for cata classic are abysmal too. Literally nobody asked for cata classic

[@tmann986]

"I don't want to sit and wipe in classic wow for like 3 hours..." That's what a weakass casual would say.

[@Obliv210]

WotLK killed wow. Cata ensured the grave stayed buried.

[@chronicles8324]

Finally the truth.....yes thats when my guildies started going awol. LFG was one of the big killers as it killed social. Also they started to insert level boosting and started tinkering with the 1 to 70 level experience to make it easier. Doing all of those leveling short cuts killed off the importance of each class because it was a lot easier to level an alt. The later Zones in WOTLK were rubbish.

[@Gunplabro]

>There's only one mechanic. There are at least 4 unique mechanics going on here, Asmon.

[@Kahuno-WoW]

😂 I swear

[@StrivingGreatness]

He’s meaning ones that will wipe the raid aka kill people 😂

[@HelloYersoGae]

Move, kite, interrupt. What’s the fourth? All movement based mechanics is still just moving so it’s not a separate mechanic to move out of lightening and move out of fire

[@johnneill9740]

SOD Server I am on has gone from super busy with people everywhere to dead in less than a week, stone cold dead, even the summon spammers are gone.

[@rockhopper01]

And we’re growing like a weed on Deviate Delight.

[@josephxp96]

Don’t forget about MoP: Remix that also doesn’t help

[@carnifexia1725]

classic era is active as of this moment

[@M1ntberrycrunch]

Next patch will revive it. People hop between all the WoWs now

[@FrostyIgnition]

Because everyone’s been done with phase 3 for weeks. There is literally nothing to do other than farm gold like a zombie.

[@Dylamos]

As someone who's led raids for YEARS I can honestly say. Even when you explain things. A huge chunk of players will refuse to listen and it really does end up being a situation where you just beat on a dead horse. So Asmon isn't completely wrong, the game shouldn't need to get that much easier though. If it does need to get that much easier, the game should just die, because the fact is. It would mean the people who are playing it, and want to continue to dumb it down, aren't looking to actually play the game or a video game at all. They just want rewards and act like effort in a game === job. If that's you and you agree that games need to be dumbed down; to a point where rewards come simple and easy. You're not a gamer anymore, move on and don't ruin the thing you loved just because you feel entitled. It doesn't mean I think it should be in this current state though, SOD is a great medium IMO most people can clear it but not everyone. That would be a great start

[@PaulRoneClarke]

I get some people loved Cata, and are really happy with this. Glad Blizzard did this.... BUT They should have Classic through TBC and WotLK on a rolling server rest loop sort of thing. 15 months per expansion perhaps. 4 year cycles ( a few months at the end for catch up) Because for me the game ended with Cata. I know others disagree and prefer Cata. More power to you. But many people Cata was the end. So now "Classic" WoW is forcing us to play "none Classic WoW" or leave the game altogether (Not a fan of SoD either) Almost like Blizzard want to drive people back to private servers. Which TBF - is where I've gone.

[@mathewwright5699]

Absolutely agree, they already have the infrastructure, shouldn’t be too hard for blizz to do it…. I think they will eventually but idk when.

[@ASNS117Zero]

Back, back to Warmane we will go.

[@Gobig4l1f3]

This would be really cool to see. Blizzard is well capable of doing this. I have recently joined pservers myself. This constant meta driven theme is getting old. I'm a casual MMORPG gamer, and the RPG aspect is long gone.

[@viktorgabriel2554]

no let the game die stop paying them until Blizzard actually dose a good job

[@inferno8008]

Wait..so the classic servers have progressed to cata themselves? I thought they kept them intact 🤔

[@bigdawg7000]

Bro couldn't clear normal LMFAO

[@ProjectpvpProduction]

Honrstly cata is a hidden gem and we didn't know what we had back in the day. This is what vanilla + should feel like. Fleshed out classes, balanced pvp, gearing system that allows you to have a job and still be competitive, and some nice way of life changes that gets rid of useless down time. Been having more fun on cata than i did for all of classic vanilla.

[@apensalesman]

Pvp was the only thing that got me through cata. Leveling 1 to max took no time compared to the classics and I wasn't a raidlogger. I wouldnt say it's what vanilla+ should be, but it did have some aspects you'd wanna see in it possibly

[@ProjectpvpProduction]

@@apensalesman yeah the leveling pace is what makes it feel rewarding. You can actually finish characters and play alts.

[@apensalesman]

@@ProjectpvpProduction That's fair. To me it feels less rewarding. I get done in no time flat and go "...cool I guess this is end game". Just searching for groups in my finder, doing some pvp and existing. Before it felt rewarding to finish a character. Now it's just kinda a basic function.

[@ProjectpvpProduction]

@@apensalesman yeah I can agree, but only the first time. After that it's super tedious and basically impossible unless you no life. Not to mention a vast majority of the community agrees even if they hate to say it. Most players who actually put time in the game did everything they could to skip past that. In classic vanilla, everyonnneeee and their mother dungeon spammed or bought a mage boost. At least now you have time to try other things or hone your skills on your main via pvp.

[@dontneedtoknowmyname.6828]

​@@apensalesman"To me it feels less rewarding", Not everything needs to be a marathon to feel "rewarding". Fact is, the harder it is to achieve progression in a video game the more dead it will be as a result. I don't know about you but I'd rather the games i play be full of player activity.

[@Startrance85]

Not gonna lie, i completely forgot Cata had released.

[@EnderGoku9001]

Yea, I've been on Hardcore ever since

[@Strewgle]

​@@EnderGoku9001 Holy hell people still play that? I forgot it existed

[@thadood4373]

You just lied

[@xMorbidArtx]

I didnt, because it was the day i unsubbed from WoW and resubbed to the gym.

[@keypos7]

You're missing out one of the expansions with the best gameplay

[@Stevenonymous]

Funny how Asmon talks about how DBM shouldn't be allowed, but he clearly needs it to do any fight that isn't just face rolling

[@kurotsuki12]

The raids are harder because using DMB is a thing...

[@Arthur_Grey34]

Thats the point. The raids have been designed around players using DBM for a very long time with some raids worse than others.

[@awsomedudeguy12]

You're so close to figuring it out.

[@ttvBonks]

you're grasping what Asmon's getting at, yet somehow, still not understanding it because ADS.

[@Stevenonymous]

@@Arthur_Grey34 cata raids are not that hard if you just learn the mechanics. You don't need DBM. but he doesn't even try. It's not like the raids in the recent expansions

[@Aesyrbane]

When raids became too hard to pug, the game died. I kinda agree with Asmon. If you need an organised group to do the easiest entry level content, the game is too hard. At the same time, LFR making it so you could just queue to raid took any interactions out of the game.

[@iibadsportii690]

or that group just need to get better lmao youre part of the group thats bad at the game go back to ff

[@mikko3]

Lol "interaction", someone spamming lf for ppl for Ulduar and you whispering to him to invite isnt any different than oressing a button. LFR is perfect for people like you

[@daqimber]

completely disagree, RAIDs are about getting together with other peple , learn tactic and then progress through the raid. If total randoms can clear whole raid with pre-raid gear and without knowing the tactics THEN its wrong.

[@madeo4922]

@@daqimber It's crazy that ff14 literally did all the things you called "wrong" and still has a great raiding scene, like how is it even possible

[@arzitic2443]

Bro literally right now on retail you need to interact with others to get into a raid and normal raid is a complete faceroll to pug under any circumstances and even heroic is puggable in under an hour by people who know what’s going on. I think what you really mean is WoW died for you when you had to press more than 2 buttons and do more than 1 mechanic lol but millions of people disagree and actually enjoy a challenge and progressing.

[@Ulkroz]

This is the same thing that happened to me, and I have been playing solo since Cata. I love the game and I don't want to quit, but the endgame isn't fun for me.

[@mr.meatsoup5639]

How does cata end game differ from wotlk? You do dungeons, raid, pvp and farm gold. Thats it. The only real difference is that Cata is a bit harder.

[@rianeagan2693]

@@mr.meatsoup5639 I always get confused by that. People wanted the classic experience. Like in tbc or classic classic, where roles mattered and it was challenging and strategy. But we have that in cata but a maybe a little harder and then it killed wow? It’s the same shit brah

[@Oakwin_mb]

@@rianeagan2693 nothing in classic was challenging

[@rianeagan2693]

@@Oakwin_mb so I guess that’s why people liked it?

[@Oakwin_mb]

@@rianeagan2693 yes, unironically

[@toddallen7436]

So they captured the spirit of the original expansion, nice.

[@RybadYT]

What do you mean? Cata is pretty well received by everyone playing.

[@Oakwin_mb]

@@RybadYT it being hard makes some people quit lol

[@tedk.6420]

@@RybadYT Back then people would get frustrated in raids because they're hard, and now in classic Cata people are getting frustrated all over again over the same bosses lmao

[@Blackstar-ti4py]

​@@Oakwin_mb theres nothing hard there so far

[@TheWisdomTree77]

I can’t wait for Legion Classic Season of Discovery in a few years, the true classic wow experience

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

That's when WoW's really back

[@TheBugB]

I can’t wait for classic The War Within I’m so hyped

[@Avatar_of_Chairness]

@@TheBugB I'm more pysched for it than retail TWW

[@SurfRock74]

Get a new joke for the love of God

[@icetomeetyou3169]

so classic community is just noobs, thats a main reason why cata is "bad", nice green legs and no food buff and no pots on Nef btw, oh yeah, what a great dps, 11-15k in average

[@theefranchise1299]

dude, i thought id never says this, but mad respect for asmond actually being fair with loot..but not surprised hes bottom dps..

[@climbsta]

Honestly I liked Cata as a whole. The only things that really pissed me off was LFR and Dragon Soul

[@hayimemaishtee]

I hated grinding and dailys, it got worse in cata after wotlk

[@MrTR1M256]

why does he play the game at this point?

[@brucekentallen]

can't accept he's washed, always trying to prove something and it gets blown on his face and ofc proceeds to narcissistically (?sp) blame everything except himself

[@cmoney163]

Because we keep watching his wow content

[@ToastyTubee]

Dead last dps every fight, negative comments every fight, and worst raid lead call outs I have ever heard. This guy is an absolute disgrace to the game.

[@FallingForgiveness]

@@brucekentallen literally calls himself washed up in regards to wow, once you succeed in life there's no reason for being good at a game to be your identity and so he doesn't give a fuck. (literally his own words)

[@IKeepGettingFlagged]

@@FallingForgiveness success in general is subjective. Financially, yeah, no one can argue. But in other areas of his life, I'd argue otherwise and they'd be pretty strong arguments.

[@dejanmohoric9003]

Time to go back to private servers!

[@ozzyrulez2008]

I can still remember progressing this raid with my guild in original cata. It was wayyyyy to hard even in normal compared to previous raids we had done as a guild.

[@kyoden1928]

is not that hard bro, i killed first 2 bosses in heroic in a pug we wiped around 12 times on magmaw and like 20 on robots

[@Dyondegekste]

@@kyoden1928 It's nerfed in classic Cata. It was hard back in 2010 lol.

[@hasaki_oce4611]

​@@kyoden1928lmao back then, if you were so bad to wipe 12times on magmaw, youd wipe 200 times on robots.

[@tylerrogers1066]

I almost joined this group when they raided yesterday. I inspected like 4--5 people and knew it was going to be a shit show.

[@Menroth.]

The fact people are still touching anything Activision related today is a bigger shock.

[@RandoCDN87]

Naw. The fact is people are dumb, impervious to learning how to do mechanics or learning how to improve and always expecting someone else to do anything to do about it instead of themselves. That and you're asking barely enough people to group up for a raid.

[@John_1920]

Cataclysm was what finally made me able to quit WoW for good, because of how messed up all my stats and stuff got with the new changes the expansion pack brought to the game. I'm not at all surprised that it may kill Classic WoW, too.

[@kyoden1928]

first of all, every xpac of WoW messed with stats, second the changes that the expac brought are basically present in every xpac prio to this and third it wont kill classic cuz its just a better wotlk

[@WorldofRasshadow]

Its funnny how classic players generally think theyre playing the hard version of wow and yet now everyones saying classic is dead because cata is too hard 🤣

[@goofballgaming3216]

No its funny when retail players say its easy, try it, get obliterated and go back to retail and talk shit about classic

[@vaxxeenmtg9733]

Cata content isn’t hard, it’s just hard compared to everything before it. and the average 35yr old gamer can’t hack it so they cry and go back to vanilla or most of them aren’t even playing and just cope by commenting here that cata killed the game. YOU quit because you didn’t want to improve or have to try to clear content

[@musiciancapybara]

@@goofballgaming3216 Not a single incident like that has happened. BWD hc is easy as bricks, not to mention normal mode. Im not even joking retail LFR is harder than this

[@WorldofRasshadow]

@@goofballgaming3216 get obliterated by what??? 😂😂😂

[@iannihilatesgaming]

@@musiciancapybara alright lets not get crazy with the capping here lol.

[@BlueEternities]

Thanks for reminding me why I quit playing WoW.

[@thadood4373]

You didn’t quit

[@LeesArts]

too hard for you as well? lmao

[@BlueEternities]

@@LeesArts More like massive waste of time and energy. The content itself is not difficult at all, especially with the addons available. Being forced to rely on stupid people to raid is what drove me away.

[@LeesArts]

@@BlueEternities sure it is xD

[@preoximerianas]

I’ve never even played WoW but every time I hear about the way its raids work I think “who would waste their time doing this”. Everything just seems so tedious and unnecessarily long. ​@@ambassadoroftheandromedagalaxy

[@Pwnido]

stop dps continues to hit the boss

[@VelcroZippers]

1:57:30 in with the crash, That one specifically drove me nuts with my new PC and I finally found the solution. Please Please Please read this. The solution to the crash is because having a 13900K CPU, I had the exact thing happen and took a while to figure out it was that specific. Using Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and just change the Performance Core and Efficient Core Ratios down just by 1 each. Its a WoW issue with 13900K specifically. I never had a single crash after that with WoW again.

[@Tarvitz92]

Get filtered brother! Did a half guild/half pug clear on Mankrik with just dbm/details in about 5 hour for BoT/TotFW/BWD and that was probably the most fun we've had as a guild since tier 6.

[@walterdowney9999]

I’m just waiting for season of discovery classic and followed by classic wow classic

[@lordtimberly7421]

You mean "OG vanilla classic+++ classic reboot"

[@slavo316]

We'll need a Championship Edition too

[@Forky89]

dam bro classic wow classic had me kekw

[@krazykuma384]

I still don’t understand why they put cata in classic. Wasn’t the whole point of classic was to go back to how things were?

[@inferno8008]

Why Cata isn't considered classic? Same talent system but the classes feel actually complete this time..what was wrong with it?

[@zuyx]

@@inferno8008 It literally changed the entire landscape of the original game.

[@mr.meatsoup5639]

@@inferno8008 Classic is the period of original Azeroth

[@danmoore6062]

I think the true point was to re-addict players with the original classic content only to then hopefully parlay that restored addiction into playing retail wow

[@JoshLineberry]

Nope. The point of classic was for us to be able to play the old expansions that we loved that we can't play anymore.

[@Tadano5]

cataclysm is not "classic" wow for me

[@SNSTR]

If its braindead content it is

[@SkillzthatKillz2011]

Everything passed vanilla isn't classic...

[@TypicalToox]

@@SkillzthatKillz2011 Tbc is like 1.5x retail, but WOTLK and beyond is absolutely retail WoW.

[@Oakwin_mb]

@@TypicalToox youre giving away that you never played with comments like that lol

[@SkillzthatKillz2011]

@@Oakwin_mb tell em! Now explain in detail why!

[@RefusesToElaborate]

The wow community is the most whiny and frail community in existence. Don’t play cata if you don’t like it. Asmongold is the most miserable player ever, I haven’t seen one expac where he was satisfied. Even in classic he was whiny

[@ht8602]

The problem with Cata isnt that its "harder", it was the start when you needed addons to be able to clear the content... its the perfect example of the weapons race between blizz trying to create "hard" vs addons telling players what to do...

[@iyaramonk]

It's been so long could you refresh my memory on what you needed addons for?

[@JoshLineberry]

Literally the dumbest take ever.

[@ht8602]

@@iyaramonk Simplest example is DBM, deadly boss mods... its a addon that tell players of incoming dangers... and while its the most common handicap for raiders, there is many more, id even go so far to say, unless you run addons, you cant compeat in the top tiers of PvP, and world first is bascially won by the team that can first tune their addons... IF it were up to me, then blizz should remove all acess and addons, and IF they allowed it, all addons should be only gained through blizzard, then everyone would play with the same set of software...

[@Blackstar-ti4py]

It died because it had nothing to do with original warcraft - boring lore, boring music, boring design boring everything.

[@JoshLineberry]

@@Blackstar-ti4py Real I didn't play it and I'm a noob comment there.

[@Gherkin5]

He’s not a gamer anymore, it’s that simple.

[@astrayamatu]

as a vanila player i am glad to still have those good old memories from not playing rereleased classic good old times

[@erike9074]

Warlock will continue to be the least played class until MoP pre-patch. They are simply unintuitive and clunky to play, they don’t get fixed until MoP. And they’re not top DPS anymore.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

Demonology has S Tier DPS potential, but it kinda falls flat on it's face if you have to move. And there's a lot of moving in Cata.

[@erike9074]

Agreed. I should have specified I’m mostly talking about Demo. Affliction is great imo and Destruction is just undertuned.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@erike9074 Yeah Affliction feels smooth as butter, just wish it scaled better with Mastery and didn't completely lack any burst.

[@shirrenthewanderer414]

I just want to point out this this guy is playing A CHARACTER. He doesn't actually believe the stuff that comes out of his mouth, he just wants the attention. It's like the AVGN and the Nostalgia Critic. Those are personas of James Rolfe and Doug Walker. The "characters" are fictional.

[@MistaChedda]

Lmao cope harder lil bro

[@algumnomeaihehe]

source: I have a parasocial relationship with this man. don't smoke out of a pvc pipe kids

[@simtek08]

I loved ICC during LK and I found it challenging at times, thanks for calling me stoopid ya big dummy

[@IteratorPlus]

If it was a Horde pug good chance would have done it. Though still surprised that Classic has not added cross faction raiding yet like Retail.

[@sempersteel2799]

Cata classic was def a mistake. That was really the "beginning of the end" for WoW, when they really started changing the formula for the game. It completely invalidates the concept of "classic WoW".

[@JoshLineberry]

It definitely wasn't a mistake. It was a great thing to do for those that want to play it. I'm sorry that cata is too hard for the noobs but cata is great.

[@sempersteel2799]

@@JoshLineberry Blizz ain't paying you, homie.

[@JoshLineberry]

@@sempersteel2799 Cool story. I've played since 05 and cata is my favorite expansion. If it's too hard for you just say so.

[@Melodeath00]

Anybody who loves WotLK but hates Cata is delusional. You are correct that Cata has nothing to do with the Classic/TBC playstyle, but neither does WotLK. Cata has the same deep systems as WotLK. The same gearing/rewards systems, the same professions, the same rep/daily quest structure EVERYTHING except for class design and raids are the exact same thing. Cata is literally WotLK 2.0, just with better class and raid design. Everything you hate about retail started in WotLK, not Cata.

[@Keyy7787]

It's literally the most popular classic release or I guess rerelease to date it beat out the icc launch even. Sure first time around alot of people did quit now seems like there is a decent amount of interest from old players but alot of newer ones who never got to play cata in the first place

[@Zeppathy]

I played WoW from classic till the end of cata. The pandas killed the game for me. I'll never go back.

[@titofox666]

classic panda hater because of no real reason

[@iliketohelp8336]

How tf can u stopp play wow cuz of pandas next to all the bs, it was the pandas for u? Interesting. :)

[@zafer5491]

​@@titofox666 Pandas suck, Go back to retail

[@Zeppathy]

Even pandas hate pandas. Just let them go extinct already.

[@u.s7072]

@@titofox666 I remember HATING the introduction of that race becuase it offically turned the game from more dark and serious to childish / cartoon/ furry / kung fu panda crap

[@ritchy3875]

Never ceases to amaze me how bad classic wow players are, more than one mechanic and they cant grasp it, truly impressive.

[@AlvinEarthworm]

Exactly this. Classic players are absolute dullards who don't know what they truly want.

[@TheBugB]

Spoken like a true retail Andy

[@Oh-Ben]

Id still kill to see retail players try to figure out sunwell

[@Oh-Ben]

Also, lets not get ahead of yourself here, you couldn't do a single mechanic without an addon or a guide

[@GentlemanJasper]

Not all of us. I completed 7 hc bosses already. Its not that hard at all. Super fun tbh!

[@stevewhite5045]

Cataclysm also killed OG WoW

[@captburnside]

"couldn't be me ... mine's on CD"

[@DerNesor]

Watching asmon play wow makes me nostalgic and sad

[@Osk42]

Wow Classic starts at 60. Next phase will bring back some players, I hope...

[@chadrichards8930]

Cataclysm is the best expansion and idgaf what anyone says. Better than wrath and every single expansion after cata got worse.

[@poorpriest4549]

Tbh WoW is dead not because of Cata or anything, it is dead because the content is scheduled. I want to play when I can, not find a way to squeze a bit of time. That's why mythic + was such a blast in Legion, no more guilds, just hop on search and find a group to do content. At some point even the most casual guilds become a burden, because life gets pretty random when you actually start living outside your basement.

[@iyaramonk]

I get you but 5 man content in wow fucking sucks

[@Austinalien]

I just don't think an MMO is for someone who can't schedule out a couple to a few hours of their week. It requires effort, and if you can't put in the time for that, MMOs are not for you.

[@poorpriest4549]

@@Austinalien Tbh it's just the raid system that ruins it. Lock outs etc. I was playing Aion back in the day just fine, GW 2 even better in that aspect since you can get almost the best gear in the game with crafting and farming open world. Raiding have too much "work" and very little fun. I've been in a lot of guilds when I had time, from casual to semi-hardcore and I can tell, that you can become forever bench-man by not showing for 2 - 3 raids, because you have to deal with some IRL shit.

[@Kaairve]

​@@poorpriest4549 Can relate. I was just recently in a "casual" raiding guild on WoTLK which had a discord room and if you wanted to take a day off you had to report it. I had to take like 2 weeks off the game and stopped showing on raids so they started to spam msgs to me and then I got kicked out. I felt more pressured then I'm in my work place. So fckn toxic.

[@NatoRadeX]

Everything in life works off a schedule, if you cant fit in a 1-2 hour raid window in your day regardless of random stuff happening then you shouldn't be playing an MMO.

[@thedman623]

For Magmaw there is a trick we used to do. Parasites always spawn on the isolated target if there is one. We used to have ranged DPS stack in one part of the room and one hunter or mage stand alone on a broken patch of ground. Melee dps would stack on the boss with tanks. Parasites would then errupt on the isolated hunter/mage and you can see the fire circle where they would spawn. When they errupt isolated hunter/mage has one job, to slow them and kite them not getting hit! You get infested if they hit you. They dont change agro so RDPS can change to them and AOE them down while the kiter kites them. You make the fight very easy by doing it that way. When they are dead kiter returns to the spot and repeats the process.

[@Big.Stepper.]

I was on last night there were like 500 people standing around org... so...

[@jaebi1961]

I don't know how anyone can stand this guy.

[@driftingdynamic]

I hated all the changes to talents and world from Cata. But it was the first time I really enjoyed running heroics (pre nerf). Was so much fun not being tank and spank and actually having to use coordinated cc.

[@InTheWild1]

Dude cata so far has been a blast, and I literally formed a guild with 3 ten man teams in the last 10 days only, and all 3 teams cleared BWD last night, none of us are hardcore players.

[@kyoden1928]

this video is a clear bait

[@Retrox1989]

Asmon "Everyone here should know what they are doing" Warlock seconds earlier who didn't know what a summon was

[@thadood4373]

Warlock was trolling obviously.

[@Amplifymagic]

Asmon should have calling it what it is, a summoning portal, it's not a stone lmao

[@Lou-jl4ov]

Warlocks almost non-existent in Cata. Miserable.

[@mikes.6251]

@@Amplifymagic i can tell you’ve never played wow because almost everyone calls it a stone.

[@Amplifymagic]

@@mikes.6251 lol no, people call it a closet over a stone. A big healthstone cookie jar is more likely called a stone than a portal dummy.

[@NedPlanter]

Anyone thinking they'll get the original experience from these re-runs is wrong, the magic wasnt just the expansions it was the old style community, before sharding and layering when servers felt alive.

[@blackyvertigo]

It’s the summer. MMORPG playerbases always die off in the summer. Raid turnover always highest in the summer and Xmas holidays. Add to the fact this current player base is split 6 ways and not enough puggers have hit 85 and done enough heroics to be ready to raid now. He’s just being unrealistic.

[@theoutlander1411]

TOGC came out in the summer and it had more raiders than ICC.

[@DeJaVu804]

WOW was never hard even on heroic. The only thing that made it hard was relying on other people not to F* up.

[@MrRazor49]

to those people who says "can't complete a 10 year old raid"; Chess is a 1000+ yrs old game and people still suck at it

[@Fasertox]

How retrded are u ? Chess is pvp

[@MrRazor49]

​@@Fasertox so? you need to solve complex problems on both

[@Shylohe]

@@MrRazor49chess has an unlimited list of complex problems, depending on your opponent. WoW? Not so much lol

[@DJme17]

Cata didn't kill anything except for people who can't do mechanics. If you want to face roll raids without doing mechanics, vanilla servers are still out there.

[@Illegalparsley]

"Kill the parasites guys".. fucking stays on boss..

[@TwilightAdvance]

Ranged dps sleeping, melee shouldn't swap to kill it and lose dps... It has quite low hp, though this group had pretty shitty ranged dps overall... Tanks were probably the most awful part, as a former raid leader i know how much it sucks when the tank is so inexperienced and nervous they probably literally are shaking on their chair ignoring ALL commands or advices he is given by the leader. Asmon said to main tank to move Nefarion several time on several attemps from flames, he NEVER did. The off-tanks were also tarded, i could solo tank the adds with my dk, the issue is noob tanks cannot handle collecting more than 1-3 things at maximum at the same time. In cata all tanks already had nice aoe spells to gain aoe+a spell to hit far away targets. They struggle to click the enemy/just using Tab button to scroll through to get to the one you aren't having aggro on and use any spell/taunt to collect it. Also healers were trash, asmon should've give healer for each tank and assign raid healer (+that elemental shaman they had was trash in dps should just maybe go healing and tell them to just heal raid, if they had enough mp/5 on their off spec gear, also that shaman healer they already had was terrible at playing their class and spec already)

[@tedk.6420]

@@Gamecontrol. You stand in fire, don't you?

[@TheStvaldon]

I play with casual players that wipe on content for 3+ hours and still have fun and that's my choice. He straight up got HUMBLED! Honestly, if you don't want to spend hours wiping, you need to formulate a 10-25m guild. carry them through god everything, give them the best gear, make them literal gods so everyone is god level players to do the content you want to accomplish all over again...

[@Andrew-po8nt]

imagine playing Classic the most gatekept and elitist game ever the community is so toxic and meta slaves they ruined the entire game

[@kayjay7626]

Hahaha yeah I was thinking about opening up wow and levelling up again but then I remembered wrath and how fucking toxic classic became and turned on fallout 4 instead

[@brandonpetersen5710]

Yeah I'm a bit dissapointed as well. Not only is it full of bugs still, but it's optimised like absolute dogshit. People are saying they removed AI upscaled textures. They didn't. They removed the option..the update is mandatory. One of the biggest selling points of classic for me was the ability to re-experience an old game on newer hardware with minimal performance impacts. Now sitting in orgrimmar (a densely populated orgrimmar) my fps tanks from 150+ in Wrath, now it's under 50fps standing near the AH/Bank. After some trial & error trying to fix the issue, disabling add-ons, emptying cache and deleting wtf folder/GPU software update. Nothing fixes it. I was able to contact a GM & they explained the pre-patch upscaled the textures by somewhat 16x more and that's the culprit. Otherwise my fps remains similar to Wrath, until the area is populated again. I never thought a 15+ year old game being re-released would prompt me to want to upgrade my PC again. What the fuck blizzard. Retail is running more smoothly than this shit now.

[@MouseCIick]

I wouldn’t even call Cata classic. Cata is Cata. They should of stop at BC or WotLK

[@u.s7072]

Let's be real, it should have stopped at Vanilla.

[@JoshLineberry]

Nope.

[@jazzyjswift]

History repeats itself. Cataclysm was the downturn in original WoW. It's almost like that update pissed in the stew that was the essence of WoW.

[@zafer5491]

Yep, Wow became a garbage game after wotlk.

[@JoshLineberry]

​@@zafer5491 Haha, cata and mop are way better than vanilla-wrath. Noobs don't like them though. Wrath was the original downturn in wow. It's when sub acquisition fell off and began the downward trend.

[@cj8269]

this raid group was awfully bad and then blaming the game for hard content well either get good or play Sod then

[@SakamuG]

I personally think they should have stopped after Wotlk.

[@hackintosh3899]

Why would Ion do that? Cata is when he took over as the raid lead. He is actually delusional enough to think it's going to be a success this time around and he has patterned all his versions of WoW post Legion (when Tom Chilton left and Ion was the lead on the entire game) after his esport raid or die mentality.