New Player Reviews World of Warcraft

This poor soul subjected himself to the torture that is playing WoW for the first time in 2024 and compiled a REVIEW of the game for anyone who might be masochistic enough to try the same !
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[@AFO3310]

Whoever told him to try retail should be thrown in jail for cruel and unusual punishment.

[@holyrs1575]

Says someone who doesnt play the game

[@wapniak666]

He wanted to do it

[@AFO3310]

@@holyrs1575 I've played for 19 years my guy. I know what he's getting into lol

[@antohnyt2067]

@@AFO3310 then your experience is irrelevant to a new player

[@holyrs1575]

@@AFO3310 something he could play for 19 years?

[@phosphate66]

This entire godforsaken shitty ass tutorial zone with nonstop cutscenes treating you like a king as you show up vs.... Durotar. One cutscene. Your dropped by a fire, naked.

[@nou2716]

Then choose durotar...?

[@matthewleevan]

​​How is someone suppose to know this the first time they make a character??? You can't think outside your own experience. ​@@nou2716a new player can make an educated experience with our first being educated.

[@_DuxNet]

​@@nou2716A new player isn't going to know that!

[@MrTaylork1]

@@nou2716you don’t have a choice if you’re on a brand new account. It forces you to do the island.

[@ninjatvlv6101]

​@@MrTaylork1does it really? I thought it was an option as a new player?

[@J1mmy]

How do I get this man to watch my WoW video

[@flyisgame]

get up that wow factor hahahahaha

[@belrummm]

We want him to man

[@blank2541]

thatd be cool

[@Vaeland]

Criticize his opinion on steak

[@Quasar-fv8to]

make enjoyable non-boring content.

[@xithbaby]

I finally got my husband to try WoW for the first time ever a couple of days ago since they have a sale going on for dragonflight for new players. He made a warrior tank, he likes the idea of tanking. I helped him with his key binds and we grouped up and he wanted to go into a dungeon. We queue up and I immediately say "this is his first time playing, just a sec." and he grabbed the quests. They voted to kick him in less than 30 seconds while he was getting the quests, we had 30 minute deserter debuff because I left too. Second group, I say nothing. I tell him just go to the quest guys and then start moving as fast as possible. He has no idea where to go so he's freaking out "WHICH WAY DO I GO?" I'm screaming back at him "GO LEFT THEN UP THE STAIRS." people are running so fast and hes trying to learn how to tank at the same time. I just tell him to keep going. This isn't a fun experience. It's stressful!!. He's continuing to play because I have played the past 18 some odd years and it wants to join with me. Group content is where leveling is and he wants to have fun but the community has made it IMPOSSIBLE for new players to go and learn. Out of the 5 or so dungeons we ran together that night, only one was willing to allow him to lead the way. We did some questing but he really wanted to do dungeons but it's kind of hard to do that when you get kicked almost instantly if you don't go as fast as possible.

[@jakkandjing]

Well clearly it's your husband's fault for not playing the last 10 years. I'm joking btw, that sucks.

[@littlemisspipebomb4723]

I had a similar experience. I'd recommend having him DPS for the first few dungeons and just get a general sense for the game, then when he starts tanking say "it's my first time tanking this dungeon so we'll be taking it slow". It sucks that you can't just start tanking but it'll be rewarding once he gets the hang of it

[@sugarhighwhoo]

That's one thing even as a healer/DPS all my time in wow that I always didn't want to be a tank for. It's not even just that you need to know the routes for the dungeon, on some content the tank literally has to know every boss mechanic and positionings. Granted, that is specifically their role compared to the other ones doing healing/damage rotations, but I think it has a bigger knowledge barrier than others. Pugging is pretty hit and miss and I'd say that's a universal experience regardless of role (IE: dps not pulling enough dmg, kick). I would recommend getting a group of friends together if possible that are okay going slow and helping him learn. It's more fun that way too.

[@moscanaveia]

My first meaningful MMO experience was at SWTOR, where levelling was chill (ans you"d always have people levelling even in old zones), and where people actually helped teach players the game. Then I decided to try WoW for the first time in 2016. All I saw in those random dungeons I never heard of before was four other players in full Heirloom gear Needing on gear they didn't really need, whereas I was running around in whites and getting left behind because I stopped to read the quest text.

[@kingmufasa8929]

I know. My 8 year old gets kicked alot. I press IGNORE PLAYER and laugh while I play how I want😂

[@LuisGonzalez-ui7ow]

Full Reset is needed. Almost like a full new game, no more expansions.

[@killaknight12]

They should just start with a new engine. I don't play myself, but my wife always asks me for help when she has to do some jump'n'run minigame or something like that, cause everything that's not classic rpg gameplay is clunky af, which is totally logical for an old mmo game, but I'm always asking "Why Blizzard? Why you do this??"

[@gogereaver349]

everquest tryed that after like 17 expansions and it was a dissaster.

[@RockyWaist]

Yes. wow II. Complete with new world, new story, new journey, without the end game garbage raids. Adding to the new game should be done in story packs, adding new areas, new story, new content without the grind.

[@Stayler17]

I would totally play a wow 2 Sadly I don't think they will make it

[@billbeis7691]

whos gonna make it ? everyones gone , man ... No skill or imagination left on board.

[@crapko1449]

the guy with 300 hours of playtime finally arriving to the point of "I still feel like a new player" was pure magic to watch

[@Apercu]

One of the dumbest chatters I've seen, but at least he learned.

[@MrTwisted003]

watching them come to the realisation on their own (with minimal coaxing) was a +1

[@GamesPlayer1337]

@@Apercu nah man that wasnt a dumb one, just one that felt like the shortcomming of the game was their "fault"... lots of people dont understand that, wow is just bloated but they dont know HOW bloated it is. how could they...

[@Alexander_Sannikov]

Classic

[@Ecliptor.]

The game has been adding content for 20 years, at some point you have to admit that it will take a while to "get" the game when that's the case. 300 hours, while borderline, is quite there in the "new wow player" department. Imagine how many hours of that were just leveling? The guy seems to only have 5 man heroic achievements, which you can do that in the first days of being max level. But that's about it. He probably spent some time collecting stuff like pets and mounts because that's appealing, but doing that won't teach you much about the game. So I think it's totally fair if he considers himself a new player. But sure, he's not a complete newbie, just very green.

[@VaporSulla]

"I hope Blizzard watch this video" and when they do they'll probably say "What a toxic gamer..." and ignoring everything he's saying.

[@nakano15]

Yeah, sadly that might end up being the case.

[@189Blake]

Perma ban, for saying "shit, this is crazy!"

[@memereview1337]

...and day9 was once on blizzards payroll :D

[@myself342]

I like how everything that is not aligned with your mindset is toxic, racist, oppressing.....

[@VaporSulla]

@@myself342 And I like how randos on the internet are unable to comprehend a simple written text.

[@keegan8517]

I tried playing retail wow last year as a new player without knowing anyone who played. Felt the same way, lost, overloaded, confused on what to do. Any dungeons i did people just sprinted through them and never explained anything to me. It was aweful so I quit after a few weeks.

[@eshimike]

Same

[@CMCmakesmusic]

The reason this happens is bc the Lvling is a chore rather than a learning process the game starts at 70 not 0 and that's bad

[@johnny2552]

Amazing you pushed through for weeks. I tried a bunch of new chars to find something fun and it just feels sooo dated. I'm not really a fan of the art style, pissed me the fuck off when starcraft and diablo started with this artstyle. I actually had the most fun in the goblin starting area. I appreciated the effort of quests and environment changes they try to do. Overall, found myself thinking, I'd rather play something else.

[@luciusesox1luckysox570]

@@CMCmakesmusic Levelling is a chore because Blizzard pandered to the Ritalin generation with attention spans of a gnats and completely dumbed it down and made it about the only thing understandable to said generation... the goal is to be better than the next person and just get to the end to prove it. Basically to appease to the spoilt kid mentality because it is where the bean counters said the coin would be. They forgot the journey is good and sadly I think that realisation in life as in games is a mature one. Consoles....

[@eshimike]

@@luciusesox1luckysox570 no man, it's just a chore because you get literally nothing meaningful in the game till the end game.

[@primozimo3041]

I remember back when I played WOW, i read all the damm quest logs. Untill a buddy told me he just skippeds everything to get back to game play. I did end up with some crazy trinkets because of reading everything.

[@Runslik3Wind]

same I was always reading quest while my friends were already doing them lol. now you can have ai read it to you though so thats cool.

[@Brainreaver79]

true, what annoyed me in the beginning of wow, was people not reading the quest, and then asking question about the quest because they sometimes didnt figure it out

[@PescaSuYoutube]

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[@CO-ze8kp]

In Classic you get trusted with simple tasks after showing you can do a super-simple task. Then they get progressively more complex. In Retail, you show up and you are right in the middle of all the end-game drama.

[@nabilandre]

And dont forget you are extremely special!

[@PyrusFlameborn]

I have recently started Classic WoW (never played Retail) and I really liked it when a quest npc in the next zone over said that I came recommended by a quest npc of a quest I completed in the previous zone. Really felt like I earned it

[@Zack_Wester]

@@PyrusFlameborn and the NPC reaction is. oh so X send you I know X but I dont trust you to handle [Zone]. Listen we got some problem whit [Zone main thing or local animal]. can you take care of a few of them to easy the presuere? do quest. Thanks now I can rest for a min... anyway while you was gone my scouts reported Y is doing something deal whit it. you do another 3-4 quest afterwards he goes okey I can see that you have learned to survive here so here is a bigger task a bit further away (across the zone).

[@ataridc]

I am sadly very old (40 next month) and i vividly remember vanilla wow launch and how it captured me because i felt like a tiny piece of an actual living world. I loved the hints of the lore id get through just looking around the world i was in, even when there was little to no in game cinematics. I don't know what focus group permanently killed that style of storytelling but man do i miss it.

[@lilstubbs9553]

I love Classic but the simple tasks never end like you said they do, even at level 83 they still have you collecting 8 boar asses. 😂

[@andrewadams8601]

I tried to get my wife in to WoW and we started with classic as NE (her choice). She actually had a decent time despite not being a gamer AT ALL and so having to learn basic things like moving using wasd and using the mouse to look around. We played a few times and then I told her about WoW retail. I thought we'd give it a shot and I (stupidly) thought she might enjoy the updated experience where it guides you through the basics. The trouble is, I couldn't see it from her perspective as someone who is new to not just WoW, but video games in general since I was about 38 and have been into gaming since I was 5 AND I've been playing WoW since a few months after it launched. I've just played too much to imagine all the questions a new player might not know how to do, and the retail tutorial basically tries to speedrun the mechanics that have been years in the making into a new player while shoehorning some throwaway story in the mix. And it deprives the new player of the ability to organically figure these things out as they explore the game. Needless to say, we ended up both getting frustrated, had a fight, and she's never playing the game again.

[@Broodjemetbeleg]

Rule 1: has to be fun 😂

[@thecreator6585]

Honestly as a veteran the only thing that still kills retail for me is the social aspect, can't actually find anyone to play with.

[@Garbage315]

"Following the little marker on the map until you're max level" is about the best condensed description of WoW's leveling I've ever seen. Then all of a sudden you're level 70 with 23 required keybinds that you have zero idea how to use.

[@kiloneie]

Before they made DK's starting lvl to 8, you could for an expansion(idk which i don't play WoW that much), make a DK without needing a lvl 55 char before hand, and you started at 55 with like 20 abilities... I wanted to play a DK for so many damn years, but i could never get myself to lvl 55 to play him, the highest i ever gotten in the past was lvl 33. After like an hour or 2 of trying DK straight at lvl 55, i gave up. Until Shadowlands made DK's starting lvl 8, and then i got it, and spent a few hundred hours into chromie's Wrath of the Lich King time walking, and a starter edition as well once my sub went out. I went trough what D9 went trough, about 10x times... it's so bad... i have no problem playing classic and hardcore and keep starting as human at Northshire, but that island and BFA is just... doing BFA questing once is fine, it has some cool lore if you are a Warcraft lore lover like me, but to be thrust in the middle of army of Wow expansions's lore... lol... It's probably like trying to play a final fantasy game without ever playing 1x before(i've never).

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

@@kiloneie "It's probably like trying to play a final fantasy game without ever playing 1x before" Tbh playing Final Fantasy makes no sense even if you do play the games.

[@biancaman4930]

Took me longer to find out how to play after lvl 70, than actually reaching lvl 70. And I still don't know 100%, I ended my subscription, life's too short

[@wwerdo4]

@@JarthenGreenmeadowit isn’t really supposed to make sense as one cohesive story. FF is basically an anthology

[@christonchev9762]

y man leveling became way to boring in that game and thats why u don't see new players

[@LieutenantMerks]

I dunno if the young'n know how much of a GOAT Day9 is. This dudes starcraft era was golden age.

[@JestaultSteinkeKachuik]

man I miss funday monday

[@MegaBusterDude]

​@@JestaultSteinkeKachuik I remember one of those weeks, it was moving our command center at the beginning of the game to a random spot xD And when the other player scouts out, they end up being "wtf, where is he??"

[@ToyokaX]

ah yes, back when he used to have hair

[@ThexCatmanx]

The Day9 Dailies were the fucking best. Nothing has replaced Funday Monday for me. His SimCity phase was also hilarious.

[@Meehuuu]

I still think of his explanation on what micro is.

[@dangerbook4807]

I want to add I was leveling one of my innumerable toons and got to 60 foolishly decided to finish up over there in BFA and do the zone invasion quest do 4 of these quests: kill a bunch of horde, kill another bunch of horde, or - kill this rare, or kill this pair of rares. My toon was in mismatched non optimized non enchanted gear and nobody else was in the zone and I hit the point where she just didn't have the gear to kill a rare for a quest solo. Back in the day you would have just sat there and waited for a couple other guys to show up and let's do this. In Chromie time there are hardly ever other guys out in the world away from the starting quests in the expansion. It felt really bad to be stuck at something that would have been doable in normal progression back when the expansion was live, and now it's just a tattered framework being used because it's still there and there has to be something that it's still good for. The theory that every expansion that has ever existed should be compressed into some horrific chopped-up theme park ride that deposits you in the Dragon Isles - and next expansion, into somewhere else, woo hoo - this isn't working if it ever did.

[@waltlock8805]

The way the Defias Brotherhood was handled in Classic is a great example: You learn about them gradually as you encounter them, until eventually you understand who they are and how they came to be as you head into the main confrontation.

[@rareraspberry]

In the full video, he goes from being called "new recruit" to Jaina calling him "champion" in a matter of minutes.

[@ApecSW]

You don't enjoy the game because you've read the lore. You've read the lore because you enjoy the game.

[@robinvegas4367]

I've played WoW off and on since release and I know next to nothing about the lore 😂

[@Sac-chan]

There's lore?

[@roberts3423]

The lore became piss once Arthas died.

[@joemurray]

300 hours and still feel like a new player wtf this is overwhelming - i have a job who has time for this

[@AlbertStone92]

"And the demon prince's soul is trapped into a cursed well, and that's why I will ask you to kill 12 Boars..."

[@pliskin100]

Day9 is one of the most underrated streamers of all time. He was a pro Starcraft player with his brother, he has a wholesome learning atmosphere like Thor from Pirate software. Dude has been around for years teaching gamers how to play better and improve their life outside of the game. Glad to see he's getting some more recognition in 2024 because the SC2 scene wouldn't have been the same without him.

[@Realifedits]

He also did pretty well in hearthstone tbf

[@Fasertox]

He really looks like a boring boomer

[@Realifedits]

@@Fasertox What a weird comment

[@catreecemacleod7556]

@@AmyZonkers I'm totally okay with this. Now I have to go watch his stuff.

[@Iyashii]

@@Fasertox Which is funny because his got insane APM and would wipe the floor with you in the vast majority of games lol

[@NevanSlone]

10:00 “This isn’t a fictional movie, this is my life and I’m still confused” I felt that.

[@Nowhy]

Everybody is confused, whenever a new information comes along that changes every little connection in one's brain.. children can handle that easily, adapt and let go - until...

[@heavyhebrew]

I had a 30sec speech, a cutscene, then BAM there I was in Durotar

[@ironyusedincorrectly]

Just coming back to WoW from multi-year hiatuses is hard enough. I can't imagine being a brand new player. I also didn't understand most of the lore in this video either, and I played basically every expansion from Wrath to Legion.

[@raisti6608]

I love how the Taelia NPC always says "Finally time for some action" followed up with the next expostion dump :D

[@PlayerEIeven]

"People just keep trusting me with information and handing me guns to shoot at barrels" 😂

[@Martell276]

😂

[@nickchi1]

Man, WoW really needs a soft reboot like Guild Wars -> Guild Wars 2. Built from the ground up but still has all the Warcraft lore and stuff.

[@adomaskuzinas2137]

26:13 what Asmongold did with Wekko is every internet troll's wet dream.

[@LPZonline]

Fun fact Day9 is the first person with a sub button on twitch

[@ilunc]

I used to give him my free prime sub every month for like 4 years lol. Love Day 9

[@attention_shopping]

he suggested it and twitch hardcoded it on his page lmao

[@profanemagic5671]

Isn't reckful responsible for the donation-button?

[@Niosus]

Day9 has been on Twitch since before it was Twitch. It used to be Justin[.]tv, and it wasn't really meant for gaming content. Day9 really paved the way for the streaming industry. You had a few people just streaming them playing the game with very little interaction. Day9 was the first to really make a show out of it and draw significant amounts of viewers. He really is the OG. Respect.

[@galax12370]

​@@profanemagic5671reckful is responsible for donations i think.

[@Daza986]

DAY 9 man, has been around since the dawn of E Sports, beating Artosis in WCG 2005 Starcraft 1 Tournament, to casting, to day 9 daily's on SC2... yes he has been around a while The man is a ESports legend.

[@LDBaha]

It was pretty cool to see him alive after like 10 years

[@mendelian8768]

Man he got fuking old. I got fucking old. 😭

[@minmatenx]

Feels like just yesterday when we learned about the plane jack

[@l3wdlemon708]

Can't forget hearthstone after that. Dude just kept going

[@MrSlaughterrific]

He has my favorite esports quote of all time: if your opponent is doing some weird shit, just kill em

[@charlesmane4171]

the owl comparison is spot on lmao, i was still kinda new to the game but had to look up endless guides on how to advance

[@efelippebarbosa]

I haven't played wow since wotlk. Started again 1 month ago. I'm so confused, I have no idea what's going on. No idea how to gear and everyone shits on me because I'm noob and I'm supposed to know everything. Fuck that.

[@dav552]

NPC : " That actually reminds me of who lived in that castle , so 500 years ago .. " Underrated lore rant

[@amuro9624]

It's crazy how many writers these days think lore = story

[@mee091000]

@@amuro9624 People keep hyping up lore and belittling things that don't have much of it. So yes I think writers are misinterpreting the masses. Or better yet are filtering out the wrong ones within those masses.

[@abadenoughdude300]

@@amuro9624 Worldbuilding is awesome when it's bits of lore scattered here and there that you come across not giving it much thought but it registers in the back of your mind and you gradually build a big image of the world you're in. Having to sit through hours of info dumps isn't lore though, it's exposition and it's boring as hell. Many people/writers forget that it's not how much lore you have for the world they're creating but how intertwined into the immediate actions of the MC it is and what doses it's given in.

[@fatboy41512]

Day9 is the best, absolute legend. Only content creator I know of who not only disproved of bobby kotick and blizzard in the recent era, but ACTUALLY said nope i'm done playing their games until he's gone and followed through with it.

[@gordonegar7717]

S tier

[@spinky342]

Grandmaster tier

[@fatboy41512]

@@spinky342 day9 daily used to be almost a ritual. Get off work>dinner>day9daily.

[@DrErrday]

I started wow in shadowlands season3 and then hit ranked one in dragon flight. As a new player RETAIL is way easier to hop in.

[@jackw3302]

"I have a rewards card here..." was so fucking funny I couldn't stop replaying it.

[@deepblue153]

Standard alt experience: 1) level to cap 2) learn how the class works on a dummy because I just spammed arcane blast the ENTIRE time I was levelling the character in dgns

[@any1alive]

thats why i like xiv, you elarn the skill loops as you level up, and its naturally added into your rotation and muscle memory

[@MetavtVoiceActing]

​@any1alive that's what happens in classic wow but retail is so fast

[@Xakanis]

Imagine if the game taught you the actual combos you need to use at end game, in the leveling experience. Just the single target rotation would make an actual new player's mind spin once they hit 70.

[@jesperjohansson9857]

@@any1alive ff14 is like a 500 hour tutorial. IT HAS so much cutscenes and text its insane :)

[@johnnywafflevision]

I agree with step 1, but with step 2 I used to do my best learning the class on the monotonous quests that require you to kill X number of things. Or killing mobs while picking X number of resources. I do think dungeonfinder, while useful, inadvertently made what you're describing more prevalent. You just make an alt especially tank or healer and basically just grind dungeons. I think it's an imbalance between min-maxing and the fact that it's possible to only use 1 button and as a PUG, people don't really expect more than that from you as long as you're active and stay with the group.

[@KnightCrown]

In Helldivers 2, you watch 1 cinematic, do a 5 Min tutorial, and you just learn the rest of the game by dying.

[@AlgaeEater09]

Yea but, you experience the entire game in just the first 15 minutes. It’s a very shallow game.

[@thefarkoss]

​@@AlgaeEater09sounds like you didn't get past the 3rd difficulty

[@redeyes3847]

@@AlgaeEater09elden ring

[@boiiofboii6736]

Yes compare a coop service game with a mmo. Next we will compare dave mirra bmx on the ps1 to call of duty or pillars of eternity

[@AlgaeEater09]

@@thefarkoss Neat.. whats new after the 3rd difficulty? Oh, nothing? That's what I thought. Just more of the exact same.

[@EmCole]

I started WoW last year and I really loved it, i grinded a hunter and Demon Hunter to level 70 and worked on some lower level guys like the druid etc. Once I got to level 70 and end game stuff its where it fell off for me coz I have no friken idea what to do now with the dungeons and the mythics and all that jazz.

[@SuperRedhawk97]

Runescape player here. Most people don't even listen to what the NPC says during quests. They just spam through all the dialogue so they can get to the gameplay

[@SylvesterLundgren]

The monotone "man...I'm gonna go lay down" hit fucking home

[@rahn45]

"When I do get to actually get to play the game?" "You don't." Day9 basically got the full WoW experience.

[@camaradebanzani9405]

dude it's a feeling i had with many new games lol

[@Aggrofool]

He should try JRPGs. New tutorials even 38 hours in.

[@RCJH2022]

My friends talked me into trying out wow. I played 20 hours of wow classic and felt like "Ok... When am I suppose to start having fun?". "All of my friends: It gets better, you gotta get further in the game." they would say that every 3-4 hours. Couldn't take it anymore. uninstalled.

[@God_of_Art]

its even the same in Raids. He can call himself a veteran

[@12SickOne34]

It gets good after you hit max level, maybe.

[@stewmander]

Not a new player, I remember playing WoW when it first released. Stopped somewhere around wrath. Just started again on my steam deck of all things. I feel like the guy in the video. "I dont read quests, I just complete them", literally one of the options Blizzard gave for me to choose.

[@psilow7789]

16:44 Eve Online looks stunning now, recent update to space phenomena and clouds etc. You should take a look

[@xxDEAGORxx]

Ye EvE was a weird callout there because to be fair EvE hasn't "aged well" because they just keep reworking the graphics and updating it. It looks like a completely different game now. The FF14 one is fair though, but that's why they're also updating the graphics in the next expansion.

[@citysushii]

Yeah the planets just got upgraded a couple weeks ago aswell

[@Queracus]

personally i started with a friend that was a long time player. he just pushed me to lvl, i had no idea what was going on or why we are doing anything. all dungeons everyone were just speeding ahead, there was nothing to to feel good about completing them. it actually felt even wore knowing you are leaving 80% of content behind just to play the latest expansion...

[@Nicholas1994]

Yeah. I feel like the magic of WoW can only really be experienced when you basically ignore what you're supposed to be doing and just take your time to explore a zone, imagine whats been going on there, get acquainted with the characters that live there, etc.

[@Phyrexon]

@@Nicholas1994 not really ignore what you are supposed to do. the developer and the game itself doesnt want you to rush through everything get geared and run m+ and raid. the developer themselve love people that go discover things and take time with the story. the feeling you get that you are supposed to play another way comes from the community that only plays for efficiency and then m+ rating or raid progress.

[@Queracus]

to be fair even if i would start playing on my own ( i started in leagion ond dropped out) it would send me to legion quests quite early on after making a caracter. there would be no difference to me if a friend pulled me there or the game. as a noob if you just do random quests or the one that look like main ones, it will just send you to latest expansion and skip the rest@@Phyrexon

[@akacenturio500]

My experience as a new player since last week: Premise: I played wow on and off from 2011 to 2017. I didn’t play a lot and I never maxed any character. I did some quests, some dungeons, didn’t know anything about rotation, add ons, etc. In total during those 7 years I played something like 50 hours in total which in wow is very little. So I decide to pick it up last week. I am so confused. Lvl 1-10 is on exile’s reach. I preferred the old intros but well, it is what it is. From lvl 10 to lvl 50 I am sent to Zandalar (as a blood elf) and people call me a champion even if I can barely remember to engage with shadow word pain before using the other dmg spell I forgot the name of. I don’t learn anything, I never die, even if I suck, I spam my abilities to mobs that do nothing and gather stuff. I slowly start understanding the story behind the princess etc, and I try to keep it simple by only following the story quests, not any other side quest. By doing that, I get called to Orgrimmar: cool! We are fighting the alliance, Sylvanas is our war chief, I understand the story! BAM! A video that explains nothing precedes me being in a weird world with some alliance characters, all to fight sylvanas, our common enemy… what? I level from 50 to 60 now, in a boring world of which I understand nothing. No background story, nothing. 75% of it is indeed dialogue about something I don’t care about. I hit lvl 60 by going back to orgrimmar, and running a few dungeons because I was so bored of those quests… In the dungeons ofc everyone rushes and I’m completely useless. Wouldn’t I have been there it would’ve been exactly the same thing. By the time I arrive running to the end people already are leaving. “Bb” said the most polite guy in the party. I got exp tho. Now guess what? It’s dragon island time! Will they explain anything? Will I understand why and how I got there? What’s the background? Who am I? We will see

[@brianortega1637]

Well, at least you made it to the current expansion which will last till the end of the year when the new expansion comes out. Just forget any story that has happened so far, as you're starting brand new with a new story in the dragon isles. With that said, at end game the story is irrelevant. The goal there is to push mythic+ dungeons and clear the raids at the highest difficulty level you can to keep gearing up. That alone is fun for the majority of WoW players regardless of story. Once The war within comes out, then we'll all be on the same playing field and starting from zero and you'll be all caught up.

[@florenskoschinski2862]

Cry about it

[@briannereese]

Oh my gosh! I started playing in August for the first time and I had a similar experience. I loved Zandalar, and the alliance side (later after a month of horde) I was enjoying the story and following a long. I felt like I was getting good at the game, then they forced me into space? With this demon looking guy with horns. I don’t remember his name because I didn’t get to finish the story and now was in space and was so mad. I didn’t want to be there. I didn’t play for a week. But managed to stick with it. Somehow made it to dragon flight, and I loved it! That was really so much fun but super overwhelming. I didn’t know what I should do immediately or what could wait. I somehow have two level 70s! Im super proud of that, but now I struggle with what to do about end game stuff. I am super shy and scared to do dungeons because everyone goes so fast and I don’t know what to do. So I feel like people are mad at me. Also, I don’t have a guild either so I can’t raid. I want to though. Also I want to do mythic stuff but again don’t know how and I’m scared of people getting mad at me. I studied my rotation and I feel like I have it down but yeah just don’t want to get in with a bad group. So I’m kinda just chilling until the panda thing in May that he talked about last week. That seems fun! And then of course the next expansion. But I do love the game just need to find some good people for more end game stuff.

[@aquaking7115]

@@briannereese Don't be affraid of going into dungeons. If u tell players that you are new they will be very kind and will give you lots of tips. Wow community is one of the chillest i know (i play league, cs go, rocket league) and everytime i need help with something there is always someone that will do it even tho he has nothing to win from it. How the dungeon thing works: first you do it on normal so you can learn the map and mechanics(at the start of every expansion this is fun cuz players try to figure out how to do it right), then you do heroic wich is kinda the same thing but a little harder and THEN you get to the real deal: mythic and mythic+--> players really expect you to have a basic understanding of what ur rotation is and what to do and if someone dies you can actually feel the impact of it. You don t need a guild to do raids, you can go to raidfinder to queue like for dungeons and it s the same story but from heroic you can look up for a group and do it. Mythic raiding is very challenging and only a small percent of the totat playerbase actually manages to beat the last boss on mythic difficulty. It s very easy to find guilds, there is a menu dedicated to searching guilds. Also i remember when i had no guild on my new character in dragonflight that i was spammed with guild invites while staying in valdrakken. One thing is for sure: classic was more focused on the social aspect and having a guild and friends helped u a lot. In retail ofc it will help you to have friends, but it's not necessary, things can be done alone with random people almost as easy.

[@armandpeanutspinou3430]

Dont worry, Im a somewhat experienced player in wow and I didnt understand shadowlands either

[@Kapthos]

My take as a "new player" and why I didn't continue playing the game was... I wanted to play all the expansions as someone from that day would be playing, and you may say "that's what that chrono-whatever girl is there for", and you're right, but as soon as I get to the max level, I automatically start to one shot EVERYTHING in sight even with the shitiest gear possible, because at max lvl you're forced to comeback to the current expansion, so if I want to play all the expansions, I would have to make a character for each expansion, and hope that I finish the story before getting max lvl otherwise I'll be too damn OP, and I'm sorry if I don't like to feel overpowered and clear dungeons and raids as it was nothing. This game has 15 years of magnificent story that a new player can't enjoy because only the current expansion's boss is relevant, so they say..."we are proud about our careful handcrafted and intricated story but hey, forget all of that, take this boost and go do some raid because now is all about gear score numbers go brrr"

[@Jarikraider]

2:53 Blizzard: "WRITE THAT DOWN!"

[@MaitreMechant]

the starting zones in classic look so perfect in comparison, progression was maybe slow af but way more engaging

[@adamb1593]

the progression is natural, it's so well done that it's hard to even tell it's there. You kind of feel like you're creating your own progression, that's the magic of it

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

@@adamb1593 I suddenly realized my mage was lvl 24 the other day. I coulda sworn he was only 20. I'm just getting levels here and there I guess.

[@nickstanovic]

Yes it is so straightforward!

[@Sweet9964]

funny thing is it didn't use to matter that the beginning was slow. That was the game. Hitting stuff until it dies. Now everyone has some obsession with getting to "end game content" which wasn't even really a term people used back in the day because the end of a game was typically when it became boring.

[@uglifak]

And rewarding... I remember obtaining my first golds or blue Item! And I'm not talking about the times long gone, but last week in SoD! The retail feels like everything is handed out to you too quickly.

[@gokublue0018]

day 9 is a legend. loved his starcraft/starcraft2 contents. use to watch him every night after school 2010s when sc2 was popping off.

[@kimadej]

I'm a veteran player who only took 2 ish years off. In that time the game changed so much it became unrecognizable. I wanted to make a new character and start from scratch, levelling up through quests for old times sake. I couldn't do that. It kept tossing me around storylines / timelines like a goddamn ragdoll. I barely knew what was happening or why I was where it put me. I can't even begin to imagine how confusing it would be for someone who doesn't even recognize the NPC's.

[@steven_stafford]

23:10 I always think of Bioshock. You can listen to the recordings and play at the same time.

[@alexianaixela]

They really need a full experience option for leveling. Takes you from expansion to expansion at reduced experience. Even add in quests that would lead you to the old raids but tuned down for a solo adventurer. That way the new player would get a better understanding of what took place prior to the current expansion. The only issue is the world change from Cataclysm.

[@im1085]

lol turn an mmo into a single player game. people really want everything besides an mmo

[@ArchangelGavriel]

Absolutely. I totally agree. Keep the beginner areas of WoW and let the players grow from there, that way they understand everything that has happened in the game. I tried the difference of classic retail and exile retail for beginner areas. I much more enjoyed the classic. However, I noticed that the quest chain is now broke and the areas of leveling are as well. It has been dumbed down so much you can basically level from 1-20 in any area in Azeroth or Kalimdor. Its TOO easy.

[@jermey.]

So basically ff14 but dungeons that have new players get an xp boost and the roulette mechanic makes doing old dungeon content doable because there are a lot of people that queue up.

[@AdamTuxTengler]

@@im1085 What they described is basically FF XIV, works for them.

[@im1085]

@@AdamTuxTengler yea the thing is WoW fans are the biggest ffxiv haters even though they clearly crave that kind of game

[@soulmask2781]

They did all these "interactive" quests like shooting from an air ride, or interacting with "fun" objects, because people were complaining about killing boars or killing mobs to get quest items. Turns out, kill or fetch quests are 10 times better than those "interactive" quests.

[@Nicholas1994]

Mm. I think the intention was to teach new players as many different mechanics and mini-games that they will encounter in the game as possible, but what ended up happening was that its just too overwhelming, and it turns out the slower pace was better. It would be interesting to see player retention rates based on what year they started playing.

[@Kjernekar]

they idea is good...if it only happened like 1 in 50 quests.

[@kirerunte1046]

I prefer side quests and fetch and fighting over mini games, I loathe minigames

[@rising_.]

Imagine your Job at Blizzard is writing the Quest lines. You know your existence is obsolote and nobody even reads those things, but you are still required to write those lines every day.

[@hayleygeek]

This is so easy to fix too as someone who plays both ff and wow. Simply do exiles reach (skip for alts), the game then says, opt 1 (recommended for new players- start from the beginning here (into vanilla)), option 2- choose any other expansion to level in, with a selection to go t those similar to chromie time, with a note that states you can speak to chromie in your faction city to change this at any time. real simple change.

[@bpierce566]

New player 300+ hours into the game was wild. I don’t want to try wow anymore

[@dags1615]

just play classic or season of discovery it’s a lot more simpler. retail is really only for players that have been playing for 10+ years unfortunately :(

[@bogdanlevi]

It sounds ridiculous, but I'm not sure that it's actually bad. Maybe this just means that the game has more than 300+ hours of content, and this "new player" guy has a lot to strive for. I remember feeling the same way in Wrath and Cataclysm. It was fun in a certain way.

[@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379]

@@bogdanleviits not all that bad asmon just makes points against the game and his stupid fans take it as he hates the game and they parrot his talking points. There is valid criticism in this video tho, i never knew exiles was required for new players and learning that BFA is required as well is insane. People are saying this guy should play classic instead because he cant find a quest NPC as if finding quest objectives isnt infinitely harder in classic

[@J-AngelShifter]

​@@bogdanleviBrother, I don't care how much content a game has, if you're 300 hours in and still feel like you don't know what you're doing, that's bad. If I put 300 hours into a game, I'd better be an expert by then, why would I invest that much time into a game just to still feel like a noob.

[@bogdanlevi]

@@J-AngelShifter well, that can't be a baseline expectation with any game that has a competitive side to it. 300 hours is nothing in league, starcraft, chess or any other such game, nor in the speedrunning community. Unless you have a coach or follow guides right from the start, you will be generally worse at 300 hours than the people who put 10000 hours into the game. It is what it is. With coach/guides it's a different story. If you start WoW with a clear goal in mind of doing high-end content, and practice for it, you'll be parsing well in mythic raids within a couple of months.

[@reviewthetop1433]

During my playthrough of the Dragonflight I got the main quest with the cutscene where Vyranoth was already good, and then I get the quest where she's still bad and is just up to join our side. Like what the hell

[@RenaldTremblay]

great example why wow sucks ! thanks

[@gogereaver349]

@@RenaldTremblay lets face it they have been in lazy mode for years do to a certen company that largley gone now.

[@user-xf3wq4xh5m]

3mins in to this guy describing retail and he nails exactly how retail feels. 25% game 75% shit. Classic SOD has been the most fun ive had playing wow since wrath when i first got my own account.

[@philippkaust527]

thats why Classic/Vanilla is THE GAME

[@jimmyhuynh8228]

day9 is a triple OG

[@atraxian5881]

New player experience: 1) get literally thrown on tutorial island where you do a bunch of random inconsequential things. 2) get thrown in the second to last expansion and get a whole lot of inane exposition that builds on literally decades of lore that you will never experience and will never matter in the future. 3) cut the storyline short as soon as you reach base level for current expansion... Really a great new player experience.

[@nikolaoslibero]

This.

[@ThePirate193]

Also get treated like a god king savior while level 10 with green gear and is literally fresh of the boat.

[@117Ender]

Level squishing was a terrible idea, squishing IL and numbers would have been fine. But like 5 yrs ago I tried to play casually going throu each zone to learn the lore but enemies kept level scaling and thus why bother getting invested in the lore so I quit.

[@TheEleomega]

you can experience that lore though....?

[@paleface171]

What I think Blizz should do. Keep the info bubbles on new features, and spells/abilities so they will know there is something new to take note of. Transport new players, to the starting zone of their choice, and progress as they want. Instead of bfa. Have a new players tab where veterans can join and help with questions if needed. (Like Final Fantasy 14) Put another option in the dungeon finder, specifically for new players. Call it "run for starters" Since dungeons are a veteran's unofficial "Mythic+ Dungeons" who will just blitz through as quick as possible. At least with a full group on new players they can get lost and figure it out together. Provide no XP boosts for new players, until they complete the story line for that zone on one character, so that way if they want to run another character through that zone it will be quicker. Completed Duskwood? Have an xp boost, haven't completed Northern Stranglethorn Vale? No xp boost.

[@DrPlonk]

To be fair, as much as I love Day9: He has a way of missing shit that someone playing for the first time would have gotten. Because he is 1.) focussing on too many details at once, overthinking nearly all of it 2.) going head through wall with other things where a little patience would've been good. He is fantastic in RTS, but if you watch him play literally ANYTHING non RTS he plays like someone that just discovered that you can play more complex shit than Solitaire on his laptop. Day9 is basically the dude that constantly calls for better onboarding while ignoring anything the game tries to show or tell him just for him to be confused about it xD He's basically the worst example for things like this. Criticism about Retail is completely needed, but you should not switch the upper 1% being the focus for unusual people like him.

[@MrKevin486]

Day9 is one of the OG's. StarCraft GOAT. He's been around forever. Love him.

[@Revelatus]

oh man I haven't seen day9 have a nice rant in a long time. this brings me back to the sc2 day9 daily days

[@_ghr0_]

He brought up such a good point. Too many games start off with you being locked in cutscenes constantly when all that information should be spread naturally into quest dialogue across the gameplay and in collectable lore pieces. Constant tutorial windows are also a sign of poor game design.

[@Hairybuffalo]

yep. I don't play those games. The in-game tutorial is trash. Learn or die. It's that easy.

[@Szhusma]

Well you do get the option in retail of choosing your starting zone. The "Tutorial" area or your race starting zone - which is the same as in classic.

[@Vas1984]

Nothing compares to the original vanilla wow. The sense of accomplishment and just sheer difficulty was unmatched

[@Boyahda]

Day9 went bald before Asmongold. Truly a dark timeline.

[@blapblapblapblap]

Day9 went bald before Tasteless, that's extra fucked.

[@TheThewhatnow]

Fun fact, he went bald on his second day of playing WoW classic!

[@AkiRa22084]

@@TheThewhatnow Who wouldn't? One level takes 4 hours.

[@bullseyebulldog8001]

@@AkiRa22084that’s like 27 days in dog time

[@aaakitsune]

I belive he lost a bet recently.

[@textickulartrauma8287]

I'm a middle age keyboard smasher. I've been playing games since I dno't know when, and the 'sensory overload' comment you made was bang on. I needed this video, I thought I was crazy.

[@Spladoinkal]

As someone who's played retail WoW on and off since the end of 2006, I gave up YEARS ago on trying to piece together the story. I play it for the scenery at this point cuz I like the art style lol. I re-subbed to WoW so I could ride the new dragons with the new mechanics. I've wondered how a new player would take trying to learn the game now. This is about how I imagined it.

[@peppegamba]

Same situation here. Now I resubbed and I am slowly starting to read Warcraft BOOKS to learn something about the lore, while playing the latest content understanding maybe 1/10 of it :))) and that’s the whole point of the video 😅

[@gogereaver349]

i dont they have cared mutch about story sense they cought that activision cancer. thankfully that is mostly gone now that microsoft owns thm,

[@VermilionWake]

Currently, the majority of the complaints which come from those who fallen out with the game, or even others who are uninformed on the subject is directed towards the END GAME difficulty. I have always said that the new player experience is what's most important. It should get a rework to better reflect the telling of WoWs massive world story and its universe. A way to better introduce the the narrative elements, the setting, the relationships and the cosmology of the warcraft world which now spans 30 years. There is even more story, too. 30+ novels and many other written media. The player perspective and approach to the game is also as important to everything aswell (Whilst I love day9 and respect his opinion). The game is an RPG that is massive multiplayer. You are meant to be listening to the key cutscenes and the dialogue. You are told where to go precisely most of the time in the quest too. Rushing a "new" experience is a sure way to gain no insight nor even experience at all to begin with. How will you develop an interest in a world that you refuse to learn anything about it?

[@RWhite_]

When Cataclysm revamped the leveling zones I had a lot of fun... then I made a new character and realized just how awful everything was. It's like those amusement park rides where you sit down and go through like a pirates cove. There's no sudden drops, high speeds, it's just the experience of the scenery around you, an on-rails story that you cannot speed up or skip past. Eventually I was practically begging "Please, please just let me collect 10 bear asses, please ju- I WANT TO PLAY THE GAME" Apparently it's only gotten worse since then. Honestly, I imagine this is part of what people wanted from classic, and not just that, I think people also preferred the quest design that didn't wait for you. Like the Kolkar quest in Barrens, the Onyxia quest in Stormwind, things would happen in the world regardless of if the player was ready for them, or even involved in the first place. Game felt like more of an actual world back then (I never returned to WoW after the Blitzchung and Reforged disasters, so classic is still "Back in the day" to me.)

[@paradigmshift7541]

This is exactly my experience. The first time in Cata things were so streamlined and efficient, I didnt realize that it felt like an amusement park ride. Once I leveled an alt I realized the flaws of that system of leveling. There are certainly some improvements that can be made to Vanilla, but that style is a much better MMO experience. The themepark constant cutscenes is just not good especially for storytelling. As Day9 experienced, 25% of the time was actual fighting and control of his character, where as in Classic it's nonstop controlling your character which gives it an actual world feel.

[@LoudWaffle]

Some zones were better, some zones were a lot worse. Generally yeah the zones with a lot of railroaded gimmick gameplay were awful. I'm glad the figured out in Mists that putting multiple quest hubs in a zone that the player can do in any order (all optional) is better - and of course focusing on the actual gameplay of your class. I haven't played since Mists so I can only hope and assume they kept that design model mostly.

[@Str4vv]

"Stay a while and li - Oh, hes gone". Why change something so perfect, blizz?

[@sandorclegane7757]

Day9, Totalbiscuit, Kripp, Artosis, Grubby, Husky, HDsc, Athene, Sp4zie..... Golden times.

[@litebkt]

I went through his same scenario. As soon as I could, I found the boat to Stormwind and went to Elwin Forest to level. I don’t remember how I got the information to do that.

[@Flysh24]

When I began wow in 2007 I was instantly pulled in by the plains of Mulgore. The simple quests, the music, the atmosphere, the sense of scale and wonder of the world. I cannot imagine finding that same love as new player now being thrown into the disaster of what this game has become for a newcomer.

[@PromethorYT]

That reminded me of an important concept used in books, but for some reason often forgotten in games : "Show don't tell". Make us understand the world through gameplay don't regurgitate a long ass story we aren't emotionally attached to youre game yet.

[@NameIsDoc]

Well it really shows us the evolution of our mediums First we had tell, which comes from our written literature. Show don't tell came from theater, sculpture and painting and permeated through their evolution But gaming has something better a new layer. Play don't show. Make a player discover the world/story/mechanics of the game themselves to make them more than just an observer. It makes you more engaged and invested. It knits together communities of individuals helping each other along. It encourages experimentation and exploration. This is where retail wow fails it was so concerned with giving everyone the same experience it sucked out all the joy and fun from the game.

[@PromethorYT]

@@NameIsDoc I couldn't have said it better, I completely agree.

[@alexrodrigues4775]

You mean in movies, right? Because how are they going to "show, don't tell" in books? With drawings? Lmao

[@NameIsDoc]

@@alexrodrigues4775 instead of explaining it they have a character interact with it.

[@PromethorYT]

@@alexrodrigues4775 You must be trolling.

[@placeholdername3206]

Day9 was a pro StarCraft 1 player turned commentator, and used to be really popular and the face of StarCraft 2 when it first launched. I haven't watched him in years, good to see he is still around doing his thing

[@vagrantknights]

Simple game design principles: - Don't explain things that the world can explain through exploration - Don't overload the player with useless lore information

[@jebidyah]

Day9 usually has very based takes on games, and has a ton of experience with all kinds of games, so this isn't surprising that he can peg WoW for exactly the abomination it is.

[@davidboutter1668]

My wife started playing wow with the release of Classic. This man's comments are the same as those she made when she decided to try retail at the beginning of DF

[@benjitheband5661]

People like vehicle combat right? What if we took out the vehicle! “What would they do?” Stand there! “They need something to do” Well just have someone tell them how great they are while they stand there

[@augussierra]

Bruh we all learnt to play this game before the tutorial zone was launched. ALL OF IT. Step by step. I still remember not knowing wtf the roles for dungeons were, nor understanding what each expansion was. I just enjoyed playing along. And it was an extraordinary journey that took years and it will be forever part of my life. Long live to WoW

[@loganflint3387]

I tried to play retail wow for like a week, like 3 hours a day. Literally no knowledge going in. Genuinely the worst new player experience of any game I’ve ever played. Never had a fucking clue what quests I was supposed to be doing, just felt completely lost and aimless.

[@raduradu334]

Old mmorpgs had no tutorial,read instructuons😂

[@strykerx2461]

​​@@raduradu334 This is y they don't improve the new player experience They listen to ppl like u And that's not even completely true MMO players wear suffering like a badge of honor I swr and its sad

[@bogdanlevi]

​@@raduradu334 you didn't start in old MMOs with 20 different buttons. The first few hours of the game were the tutorial. Also, old MMOs had a lot of bad design as well, just a different type of bad design.

[@lafunk1978]

Then you must be pretty simple.

[@hoper7649]

i started a few weeks ago and its very easy...not hard to differentiate between campaign and side quests

[@The_Curmudgeonist]

In Classic WoW, it was still a viable option to grind level and ignore most quests, which was how we used to level in MUD's before UA and WoW. Some people even leveled in PvP, in Classic WoW. Blizzard made sure to end that because the devs were butt-sore that people were skipping content.

[@SamoIsKing]

I’ll always remember blasting through 50-55ish doing Alterac Valley boss rush. Good times.

[@xekon14]

You can still grind in retail, but they just made quests actually worth it unlike in classic.

[@AkiRa22084]

Do you not value your free time at all? Or do you have too much of it?

[@IncognitoActivado]

@@xekon14 Kinda.

[@Melodeath00]

Xp from BGs was not a thing in Classic or TBC, it was added in WotLK.

[@googleone5867]

There is soo much dialogue in modern games. For wow this started with the DK starting zone in WotLK.

[@jiribatysta87]

It made sense there

[@ProxCQ]

3:20 I thought he was going to end thst with, "So go kill 5 rabbits."

[@Wedelinskyj]

Day9 is truly an OG streamer. I think I remember him saying once that every streamer account on Twitch gets a number based on when they registered.#1 is a twitch staff account, #2 is Day9.

[@notreally-sf3df]

He suggested a sub button, so they hardcoded one into his page SPECIFICALLY.

[@nanach6276]

Imagine being a new player going through every expansion in the intended pacing they had at the release. For me, it would be a dream come true. I always feel I miss something leveling nowadays.

[@zvndmvn]

I am a gameplay maximalist. If a game tries to tell a story in a way that inhibits gameplay, I stop playing that game. Write a fucking book or make a movie if you want to tell a story.

[@CATiiib]

I am an original wow player for about ten years. Top tier raider on the server etc. it has been many many many MANY years since I even looked at anything WoW. I was bored one night about 6-8 months ago so I fired up wow again. Logged in with ny hunter whose name I had to change because it was now taken… played for about two days and I was so fucking lost! I had no clue where I was, what I was doing, where to go etc. I stopped playing after about 5 hours. This was when everything was dragons and shit. It was ridiculous. This video is so spot on.

[@nanthilrodriguez]

"Goldfish attention span" You didn't see him enjoying the process of reading through quest dialogue in WOW Classic just the week before

[@MrOPD]

Is almost as if he's emotionally invested in one era of the game and almost comically deterrent of anything that is not from that era.

[@jaden2758]

@@MrOPD Because classic got him invested? he has no nostalgia because he never really played wow

[@SephonDK]

​Goldfish attention span is indeed unfair. He was very clear in Classic that he liked reading with the point of figuring out where to go. It was part of the gameplay, as it was part of figuring things out. Retail reading is a lot of references to names that have no context to what you're doing. It's just a list of jargon. In classic, there's a guy named Marshal McBride who gives you a quest to kill wolves. That's 1 name you have to remember, and you know what wolved are. Then you get a quest for that. But you may not know where the wolves are. So you open the quest log and read the quest, and it tells you to look north of Northshire Abbey, another name. You open the map and you see the abbey on the map. Now you've found out what that is, and where to go. This is actual patience in action. Retail is so hellbent on getting you to kill wolves NOW, with revealed maps and diamond markers, and BEFORE you go there it lore dumps you about names, dragons, history, whatever, none of which you have no context for. Day9 is a very enfranchised player who used to be into esports. If the game confuses a guy like him, the game has problems. ​@@MrOPD He has literally played neither game before these streaming sessions and knows nothing about the world except few names he picked up in Hearthstone.

[@Matisaha]

The coping is real. Attention span issues for people nowadays being a thing is true but, you can't just blame everything on that. WoW retail's new player experience is absolutely dogshit (and arguably returning player and veteran experiences too)

[@yearswriter]

@@Matisaha Besides, Day[9] played sc\sc2 for a loongest time and last 6 or 7 years he is slowly catching up on variety games, so there is no context, no nostalgia. PPL really should check his classic play through vod, he found that enjoyable enough. Also he doesn't really criticize the game in this video, he just points out that he is thrown into the story he is supposed to care about, that is nether interesting by itself, have compelling presentation, or gives him access to anything but "click-read-listen-click-read-listen" for a 4 or 6 hours straight, like, it is not even a compelling or variable experience. He had, like, 3 solid gameplay hours out of 10 total, everything else was a filler, compared to classic, where everything comes in waay more organically (although content itself can be less meaningful on paper, it is still more compelling than just exposition dump of an interesting(?) story)

[@bigmanspook]

Yooo wait this was the first time Day9 played retail WoW? that's wild. I remember watching some of his Hearthstone and StarCraft 2 vids, he's super charismatic and cool. I rewatched his Antechamber playthough recently, it was awesome.

[@jonsnow8543]

Ah man it's been a while since I was in the Starcraft scene and I had forgotten how bloody sharp and insightful Day9 was. This guy games on another level. His reasoning skills and awareness of game mechanics are next level

[@merimac_1318]

that is why i love eve online. Short tutorial. At the end of it - Here is your ship, there is an universe, have a nice life (proceeds to slam the door after kicking your butt out) Learn or die, adapt or fry your puny brain, no cut scenes, useless dialogues.

[@reckless20]

The problem is that for example when you are watching Berserk for the first time and it's slow paced, people fighting for no reason, but then a huge ass demon appears for the first time and forsees the future, and then it's slow paced again - then you crave the lore and explanation for what are these demons and what are behelits, but when the creators shove crucial pieces of lore down your throat it is horrible

[@drawgam2946]

A mention of Berserk = a like from me.

[@robr135]

Because it was made for people who already read the Manga. It omitted a lot of lore/characters to keep the anime a certain amount of episodes but the expectation was people knew the golden age arc already and could fill the gaps themselves. I feel bad for anybody who starts on the anime(s).

[@jeremymullens7167]

Exposition early on is there to set up the situation so you understand the story and context. Less is more. Should be short and sweet. If it’s too complex simplify it and make it more complex next time. The next thing to do is set up a compelling mystery. Hint at a secret but don’t give any answers. The put the action up front then flash back is one thing done that accomplishes this. The demon early on is the same. So many unanswered questions motivates you to read more.

[@madmike3974]

Read the manga! Don't be lame

[@Frostbiite59]

@@robr135 to the anime's credit though it IS good enough that it got people to immediately pick up the manga, while im not sure everyone picked up the manga straight from the beginning it becomes clear pretty quick the anime left some stuff out and people could backtrack if they wanted to. It was a net positive for the popularity of Berserk

[@Matthew65592]

What’s funny to me is that, Iplayed WOW for the 1st ever last month. I didn’t want to buy that shit so I downloaded the trial version of the game and the part were is in the harbormasters office is exactly where I alt f4ed saying, “ I’m so lost, wtf is happening”. 😂

[@mesaplayer9636]

Same. I use to play a while back but haven't since like mists of pandaria. I just wanted to download the free version just to explore the capital cities and then suddenly I was on an island fighting ogres. I just wanted to explore thunder bluff, or storm wind city. I quit before I could find a way to skip it, is there no way?

[@Maglarius95]

The biggest Problem after watching the video is how to fix it. Its literally a 20 year old game with soon 10 expansions. Not like a game with no progress, but 20 years of constant updates, story continuation and so on. HOW THE FUCK, are you supposed to tell a new player what the fuck is even going on. Probably "go play classic first then come back later" ? It doesnt matter where u throw them, they will be confused either way. And if u give them an info dumb it leadds to the same as above, no gameplay. But through gameplay? Maybe do a short part of every expansions, let them see important moments until you reach current timeline. But that would also throw you out of the mmo world mhmmm

[@AdamTuxTengler]

@@Maglarius95 They can do something with Chromie, who will take you through time and does some explaining. And yeah, it probably wouldn't be very exciting from gameplay perspective, but some amount of story dumps just have to be expected at this point. Day9 also wouldn't just skip everything if he felt like he's at the beginning of a meaningful story. He skipped everything, because they shoved him straight to the middle and he has no clue what's happening :D. And it wouldn't even be that long, because let's be honest ... they can drop 95% of all the text and you won't miss out on much. They just need to cover the major characters and events, that still have impact on the "present day" in WoW. You can for example skip the whole MoP by saying: "then, Garrosh died" :D. Literally doesn't matter what happened there :D.

[@ICM9]

@@mesaplayer9636 when you make your character, don’t choose Exile’s Reach as your starting zone. It’ll start you where you would normally go, depending on chosen race.

[@leavespearsalone]

​@@ICM9you can only choose the original starting zones if you've gone through Exile's Reach at least once

[@lucius8111]

This guy is a perfect example of how I feel not having played since MOP and installing it last week, like wtf have they done to this game, it's core is still there but the non retail servers are dead af

[@stickerey]

words cannot describe how much better, more immersive and atmospheric classic starters were.