The Live-Service Disaster

[@yamiookami]

Apparently at IGN, the difference between a 7 (Concord) and an 8 (Black Myth: Wukong) is the difference between the worst calamity in gaming history and record-breaking sales.

[@XiaolinDraconis]

Yeah I wonder if they update that score...

[@Rajin90]

Which is why I can't take them seriously. At this point, I don't click on their videos anymore, because I don't want them to get money.

[@Meilk27]

​@@Rajin90same put them in with kotaku

[@fishyfinthing8854]

Even E.T. That started the 80s video industry crash or the worst console ever made waste only 1/10 of Concord cost.

[@MN-jw7mm]

@CajunCatguy Nice bait lmao

[@Arcademan09]

"it's not for you! If you don't like it, dont buy it!" And we listened

[@QueNoSabo]

@@Mr6ixty4ourand?

[@Spacemaaan]

@@Mr6ixty4our we found the concord player boys

[@WyattOShea]

@@Mr6ixty4our bro there is still time to delete this...

[@xijinpooh8210]

Concord and Dustborn should be a case study on how not to make a videogame.

[@Arcademan09]

@@Mr6ixty4our you like Concord? I'd make a joke but you already took care of that

[@Kyojironaxx]

-Make a game for Blackrock -Nobody care beside Blackrock -Complain about low sales

[@TrueRetroflection]

Pretty sure not even BR cares. It's just another row on the spreadsheet for them

[@DeadEagleUE]

@@TrueRetroflection they do its all about the ESG score

[@sekaihokai]

Are we talking about black rock the conglomerate that owns the United States?

[@sGeeMoney]

@@sekaihokaiYes and they grade companies on their wokeness and bankroll anyone pushing their agenda. Look up BlackRock ESG.

[@omegacxv8344]

@@sekaihokai yes, yes we are.

[@KeytarArgonian]

Stop saying Concorde ‘didn’t get a chance’. Its entire creation WAS the chance. The purchase of the company, the wages of the devs WAS the chance.

[@chriskirk9708]

ROFL!!!! DIDNT GET A CHANCE THEY SAY!?!?!? You give me a few hundred million dollars and I guarantee I can make at least a 1/4 of it back. Hey that is better than what concord did. Do I get a job now?

[@MrRoundthetwist]

All that was the risk.. which I suppose could be called the “chance” of success

[@DraftyCoast]

Scale bound didn't get a chance

[@ARCtrooper_bliz02]

It had like no marketing

[@jd2792]

​@@ARCtrooper_bliz02yes it did sony pushed it hard in its direct they also made multiple videos on it including animated videos and pushed a secret level episode pepole just hated it

[@StarryDrukhari]

Concord's characters were intentionally designed to not appeal to "the male gaze." And it worked. Too well.

[@suziechapstick8236]

More like the human gaze because nobody wants to look at that crap.

[@scubasteve2189]

Yeah, it’s too bad game-buying customers are something like 80%+ male. Great calculation on that one. 😉😂

[@kellywilson137]

@@scubasteve2189 unless its candy crush. Thats all Women.

[@godtiermullet]

Too bad not even women or trans people wanted to play it, OBVIOUSLY.

[@-The-Golden-God-]

To anyones gaze. Female gamers don't want to play as social rejects.

[@WigglyBro]

What's interesting about Fortnite in this conversation is that a lot of people don't know or have forgotten that Fortnite was originally designed to be a premium price video game that was 4 player cooperative and you defended a base against zombies. And you could repair the base. The building mechanic was already part of the game. But I think they noticed early on that there didn't seem to be very much interest and so Epic Games reinvented it to be what it is now. Which was obviously smart.

[@PrimalInstinct0704]

They still have that mode to. It's called save the world in the game modes.

[@sakurawarriors7537]

I actually got Fortnite specifically for the story mode, I still play it on occasion

[@SmokeymcJoint420]

I still have the Game informer issue where the announced Fortnite and yeah, it was entirely different.

[@shieldphaser]

I remember seeing the trailer for that back in the day and being mildly interested. No interest at all in the battle royale thing it grew into though.

[@shubashuba9209]

Games are for gamers, not for game developers to stroke their own egos.

[@strider3438]

Preach

[@spehssmahreens8258]

That free market be free marketing...if only EA games would get hit like this 😂

[@your_neko]

There's nothing wrong with stroking their egos, if they do it the right way. By making the best games. That would be something to be proud of.

[@damazywlodarczyk]

No, it's opposite. When they make games they way the want, you get something really interesting, and not another samey game. The medium is stagnating for years now.

[@pyrojkl]

exactly where i love my classic roguelike "rogue fable 4" it just goes to show a good game is based on a devs dedication to making a quality game and not about trying to put money into some company's pocket who doesnt even care if the game is good and just want to market it blindly

[@mpeezy358]

These gaming companies really have fantastic sales prevention strategies these days.

[@will4673]

No kidding….its mind boggling. lol…

[@just1nt1m3]

Its because they are a few yeears behind. They started making these games when the whole lgtb stuff was heavily on the rise. Things have changed and we will probably see changes away from dei focused stuff in a few years

[@echomjp]

@@just1nt1m3 I think them being a few years behind current cultural norms is only a fraction of the problem, to be honest. Another major problem is trend-chasing in a general sense - something that has not let to profitability or making best-selling games yet is still done very often. Then you have the problem of culture in development studios and management leading to them making games nobody wants even if they could have made something else. Sure, if they released these games a few years ago, they might have done a bit better - but I think it's extremely naive if anyone thinks that they would have been nearly as successful as if they had simply just made a good game instead. Making a bad stuff with DEI doesn't make it good, and games can have plenty of diversity and so on like Baldur's Gate 3 and still be massively loved by the vast majority because the underlying game is just so well made. The problem, as Asmongold has said, is with bad games - not LGBT issues or DEI or so on. Sure, some people won't buy a game because of such things, but the vast majority of people will buy a great and enjoyable game regardless of things like the skin color of the protagonist or so on. Make a game that has no audience, and eventually you won't be able to sell it. This is common sense, but seems to have been forgotten by many large-scale developers and publishers. You can coast on good will for many years, but eventually people will start moving towards other alternatives in the majority of cases made by more competent developers.

[@lukkkasz323]

​@@just1nt1m3Meanwhile Warhammer 40k

[@VladTepes-SaviorofEurope-mw4uy]

You guys still haven't realised? It's not about money, it's about sending "THE MESSAGE"

[@blacknight0003]

The saying goes "Losers make excuses, and winners win". This goof made a whole fanfic of reasons why concord, a game backed by a billion if not trillion dollar company, failed.

[@Emacspirate]

Watching these guys pretend not to know why this game failed is great example of how out of touch all professional games journalist are with it's target audience.

[@mbazoka]

They are trying so hard not to point out the DEI elephant in the room, because they still fear the repercussions of being against the mainstream narrative.

[@erkuza9220]

They know, they just can't talk about it or they won't have a job anymore. Which is why I don't understand why people still listen to game journalist when they aren't allowed to express their own opinions but the ones approved by their stockholders

[@johnlinks]

​@@erkuza9220these games are just not good. Has nothing to do with what you're trying to say without saying it

[@GeneralProfessor]

"The solemn pledge to abstain from telling the truth was called socialist realism." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[@aggrocd1985]

​@@johnlinks they definitely know, but they will not have a job if they talk about it. That is real life

[@UnfunnE]

This gen is stuck in the last gen claiming to be next gen.

[@HelloKittySGTC]

True it feels like we're on loop. Live service games hasvent supplied alot of innovation, and they've monetized it. It's like brands are copying eachother with fortnite skins, rather then creating a new game.

[@adrianocs4]

​@@HelloKittySGTCthey inovated a lot: new ways to get people on battlepass, new fomo tactis, legendary skins locked behind a combo deal, the ingame store is definitely next gen.

[@Up2dateRPG]

Trans-gen

[@NicoleMarie.]

I feel like it’s one generation before. Everything is made with less innovation, options, and interactivity than anything created 20 years ago. Think of the story consequences and options in Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or Fallout to anything recently, they removed everything and turned it into Gollum.

[@zombl337og]

next gen is still a relevant term, but the gens are minuscule upgrades anymore

[@FaintKarmatic]

Concore is made for the current Doctor Who. A UK Black (8% of the population) Man (50% of that) who is gay (10% of that) for a total of 0.4% of the population, who lives in 2016 , has a time machine and jumps ahead to 2024, for a grand total of ZERO actual real people

[@bogstandardash3751]

To be fair as I brit I have no issues with him being gay or black, I just have an issue with the show being largely about those politics and generally being shit because of it. There is plenty of good content with gay or black people that isn't about it specifically, for example just about anything with Idris Elba or Stephen Fry in it.

[@johnneville403]

Spot on. One small correction - the number of people who identified as gay, bi or other sexual orientation in the last UK census was 3.2 per cent.

Their push to undermine society is obvious. The put on a mask of virtue, and get funding from the puppeteers.

[@Bambam-]

I was about to say David Walliams... But I just found out he wasn't gay. I thought he was the only gay in the village 😢😂

[@bogstandardash3751]

@@Bambam- yes how he's not gay I'll never know!

[@Kratosis-vf7uy]

We are lucky games journalists are not food inspectors. Going to a 7 out of 10 rated restaurant and being told that a pile of trash is a good meal is essentially what gamers get when games like concord get rated 7 and we are told its good

[@tylerkincaid5200]

I mean, the actual gameplay wasn't the bad part of the game.

[@neruz1984]

@@tylerkincaid5200 Concord's gameplay was the slowest FPS gameplay I have ever seen, and to add onto that they made the inexplicable decision to not have ultimate abilities in a hero shooter. Yes, the actual gameplay absolutely WAS a bad part of the game, it just wasn't the only bad part.

[@polishedmeat6399]

@@tylerkincaid5200 no, the gameplay was bad. the gamemodes were horrid and boring, it was basically deathmatch against bots and a walmart version of capture the point.

[@chriskirk9708]

7 out of 10 would be about like eating out the garbage at this point with how they rate games.

[@charaznable8072]

White man owned? F Diverse owners? AAAA+

[@F1rstNameLastName]

The guy in the middle is coping so hard and keeps trying to defend the devs. The same devs that called everyone "talentless freaks" for not wanting to play their game.

[@bogstandardash3751]

He used to be alright when Moriarty and Miller worked there. Seems the soul of ign left with them.

[@ruifaria8871]

Imagine getting one guyd

[@821lancevance]

​@bogstandardash3751 miller is the worst shill

[@bogstandardash3751]

@@821lancevance personally I can't stand him when he's not got Moriarty next to him. He needs Colin to give comic relief to. I found kinda funny to be a bit dull and lacking substance, made by 4 guys who are very impressed with themselves. I'm delighted last stand mediae is doing well however.

[@821lancevance]

@bogstandardash3751 what's last stand?

[@rohithparthasarathy1575]

They cant shut down suitcide squad until season 3 finishes, because they are contractually obligated to provide 3 seasons of content when they sold the premium edition. their own greed cucked them. Lmao.

[@SuperRedNovaDragon]

Forgot about that, cause if they shut it down before that they'd get destroyed

[@Spr1ggan87]

They gave God Hand and Alien Isolation a 3/10 and 5.9/10 yet somehow Concord gets a 7/10 lmfao

[@zeeochance]

At least it didn't have "Too much water."

[@anonanonymous9670]

Too much water is a valid complaint for Gen 3 Pokemon, IGN was 100% right about it. Water routes are half the region yet they all have the same 3-4 Pokemon. Not sure if the remakes fixed it though.

[@zeeochance]

@@anonanonymous9670 Yeah but didn't the title have water in it? My memory is a bit fuzzy on that.

[@zeeochance]

@@anonanonymous9670 It did not.

[@Dorian_Scott]

They gave Doom (2016) a 6.5/10 if memory serves.

[@VisionofTomo]

This is why we don't trust "experts" . Giving Concord a 7 is dumb as fk

[@BobbyJobling]

Corporate tick box review expert...

[@VisionofTomo]

@@BobbyJobling They all seem to be that way these days

[@TySoVm]

It's all so tiresome.

[@nowayjosedaniel]

What makes them experts? They never even explain their rating system and why it isnt irrational and meaningless.

[@akostarelas]

A lot of the way IGN scores is, does it function well? and does it work? which already bumps it up to a 6, add in some mildy fun gameplay and you have a 7. They explained that they don’t really dock points for external cultural factors that don’t allow the game to flourish. I think it’s a reasonable explanation even though I agree a 7 is way too high for my personal scale and I don’t like the way ign uses the 10 point scale. To me it isn’t much worse than most call of duty games which are soulless military shooters with team death match and consistently score highly on ign.

[@UMadUCauseBad]

Anyone saying the PS3 having a blu-ray player wasnt a huge part of the value and made it woth 600$ didnt grow up through it. It 1000% was the reason legit anyone I knew convinced their parents to buy it, because it was the family blu-ray player as well. it was 100% the reason I got it myself.

[@trajan4824]

I remember the blu ray was a big deal

[@technigeneric]

So true, not only did it include a blu-ray player, it was one of the best blu-ray players on the market for years. Considering a comparable oppo cost min $500 at the time, ps3 was a steal.

[@ethanjackson1880]

Bingo Blu-ray was absolutely a big point as someone who grew up watching movies off disk cause we didn't always have cable and my PS2 and Dad's PS3 was the only things to watch the collection of movies we had it was much more than just a game console back then it was the family entertainment system

[@JohnKriegle]

This stinky bowl of kitchen waste is made from A5 beef and the chef spent 8 hours stewing it, so we should give it a 7/10.

[@Skagzi1la]

I'll give it a 9 for a sack of cash. "Reviewers"

[@nowayjosedaniel]

These ratings are irrational and meaningless. Might as well give everything a 7 or a 9. They really should just have a binary choice of a 0-2, where 1 is good, 2 is great, and 0 is reserved for unplayable scams.

[@ruukinen]

@@nowayjosedaniel Gollum was an unplayable scam, and they somehow gave Space Marines 2 the same score. So yeah.

[@maragaretman2]

9 out of 10 lizardpeoole prefer the boogs that fed on the A5 over the A5. Or are you a scaley-phobe?

[@nowayjosedaniel]

@@ruukinen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@TurtleChad1]

Solution to this problem: Stop making games nobody cares about

[@baggedtuned8569]

Many of the devs that paved the roads they created the formula. it seems like theyre trying to make them bad for people to buy them and move on to the next game.

[@deafknighte7093]

But the modern audiencesss, oh how they will suffer 😭😭😭😭 how could you be soooooo heartless

[@peter-er1um]

evidently you guys do care about them because this about the 50th DEI video game upload asmons posted this week

[@aSSGoblin1488]

I DOUbt the people who lost their jobs were the activists and executives in the company. its probably the programmer and developers lol

[@alemswazzu]

How dare you (offended Greta voice).

[@paydoncarmon5480]

The clown that said user scores are worthless is an IGN employee.

[@sdbzfan1]

Asmon had to explain why just because one person cares about mtx and someone else doesnt, that it doesnt make their review less credible because their tolerance is lower

[@moviesynopsis001]

Indie devs should be happy these conglomerates are so greedy. Its easier to compete for the customers attention when you show you put the customer first.

[@hackdotx4060]

indie devs eating good the last few years

[@r3zaful]

I mean some indie studios are running live service like limbus company and erona online, they did that because its more financially stable. Its not live service that is a problem, its bad games.

[@Eren-cy6ln]

90% of indie devs are no different then the conglomerates you mention in terms of greed and political activism. Only very few among the industry as a whole has a passion for gaming and even fewer among them get to use that passion in their work so we get true gem of a game.

[@itslenny206]

@@Eren-cy6lny😊

[@Dice-Z]

@@hackdotx4060 Yeaaah not really, aside from the extremely rare exceptions, it's still incredibly difficult to make good money out of indie gaming. I've tried so many amazing indie dev games that just never exceed a 100~1000 review count, when a great game should have 10 000 to 100 000. People are not searching hard enough for good indie games, they are still too obessessed with AAA. They don't know how much they are missing out on. Indie games have been striving for more than a decade now, at the very least in terms of how good the games are.

[@pilotmanpaul]

Its so sad that now, when I see a Black person or Gay person in a game or even show, heck even someone whose an Asian like me. I no longer say "Oh interesting, how did this person get here? What's their story?" Instead its "Ah, the DEI character. Of course. What's there politically aligned story?" Since every game or show nowadays has more diversity than a freaking International Airport with writing that's so lukewarm it makes my insomia disappear faster than any pill.

[@D3adCl0wn]

It's how it's presented TBH. Deadlock is very diverse (set in New York) yet no one even mentions DEI.

[@kylemichel3006]

It's so annoying. Dragon age looks like a bunch of Californians in a fantasy game

[@azitsallgood2514]

L

[@AlgaeEater09]

@@D3adCl0wn exactly! The coolest character in deadlock is arguably Infernus, a black guy, yet his character isn't even about that at all. People like him because the games fun, and theres no politics revolving around it.

[@Zaque-TV]

​@@kylemichel3006lmao California city folk, not us rest of the entire state rednecks

[@PandaStyle07]

I don't think Sony offering refunds is as commendable as people think, 1 as Asmon pointed, the difference was between losing 99% of their money or losing 100%, 2 not everyone refunds games in this situation, probably more than half of the people who bought it didn't refund it, and 3 they probably would've been sued for 5 times what it took to make the game if they didn't offer refunds

[@Tnargav]

True. They weren't so keen on refunds for Helldivers 2 where millions of people wanted to do it.

[@Bambam-]

Offering refunds is the smartest thing, that way they can say they didn't make a dime and use a loophole to write it off as a loss. Can't do that if they sell even 1 copy.

[@Tnargav]

@@Bambam- True. It's just that people might think it's some kind of good will gesture from their side. Just pure business.

[@SKizzleAXE]

Live Service more like DEI Service

[@Mason_____]

More like game is shit but keep being afraid of DEI so it keeps getting pushed

[@peter-er1um]

hoho so funny and original

[@ShibuyaRollCall]

Nobody cares about DEI except weirdos, weirdos push it and weirdos criticize it. Most people just want good games, can yall stop with this shit and just talk about the game play.

[@robenriven]

@@ShibuyaRollCallit actually matters. There are companies that literally dont want to hire people even if they are amazing at their job because they are a white man. Imagine if you actually hire talented people instead of idiots, so it actually matters. How do you want good games if devs doing them are bad at their job. Explain it to me

[@kwaddell]

Jeeze you guys love virtue signaling your buzzwords, a game can’t simply just lack appeal

[@gobblegobble7]

It’s pretty clear publishers thought the customers they cultivated over the years would happily give up single player games and become mindless pay pigs for their live service slop.

[@ac04project]

I sort of agree. But I think that they're trying to find the whales. We aren't a target demigraph anymore. They're looking for spenders not players. Video games are no longer focused on being fun first. They are revenue generating machines, your fun comes second to the profit. Like designing your games grame to be extremely grindy but you can skip the grind if you buy 100% ex boosters. It's trying to undermine its own gameplay in some way to sell you something to fix its intentionally designed in hassles.

[@thedarkemissary]

@@ac04project False. The majority of AAA games were never designed to e fun. When Call of Duty and Halo exploded, the market flooded with first-person shooters. When Grand Theft Auto exploded, the market flooded with open-world clones. When Fortnite exploded, the market flooded with battle royales. Right now, market profitability is dominated by live-service and mobile games. So, all the major companies are trying to make live-service and mobile games. And while they have the financial security to make a narrative game or an RPG or a survival game, as a unique project, those are never the priority. So no, the *focus* was never fun first. It just happens that those times you think fun first was the focus was when what you thought was fun aligned with what the market was showing as profitable.

[@werewolf873]

They were right for a while. It's just that they failed to realize that whales like to swim in water thats filled with krill. What's the point of spending a gazillion dollars if there arent any poors around to marvel at your money-cock. If their games dont appeal to mass audiences, the big spenders wont have anyone to flex on.

[@OGharp]

@@thedarkemissary This just isnt really true, more investors and people who know nothing about games, are more involved with games these days. Back in the day it was legit just gamers who loved making games in control of what they make and how they make it. Not the case these days

[@AndarilhoMarco]

I bet they looked over to OnlyFans and thought they could do one better than porn.

[@パウリ-g5z]

That's an excellent point, "nobody liked what concord could be."

[@FPchie]

4:39 Didnt the IGN reviewer gave Concord a 7 because of "compelling characters who are mix-mash between Guardians of the Galaxy and Overwatch"? And now IGN said they dont like this concept? Hypocrites

[@saine-grey]

It's almost like IGN is more than one person with differing opinions.

[@cazador8744]

Ign is like psychopath that locked me in the basement( he has 1000 personalities)

[@Samagachi]

⁠@@saine-grey not at all

[@Bert_Bertsson]

​@saine-grey it's more than one person but they all think the same.

[@pite9]

This is just damage control. They can't pretend anymore that the characters aren't trash, but they refuse to point out why they are trash.

[@iwannaplayssbb6665]

Remember when EVERYONE was making Military Multiplayer FPS' because CoD was the biggest game in the world and most of these games failed HORRIBLY?? Remember when EVERYONE was making MMO's because WoW was the biggest game in the world and most of these games failed HORRIBLY?? Remember when EVERYONE was making MOBAS because LoL was the biggest game in the world and most of these games failed HORRIBLY?? Remember when EVERYONE was making Battle Royale games because PUBG/Fortnite were the biggest games in the world and most of these games failed HORRIBLY?? yahtzee was right when he sang "LET'S ALL LAUGH AT AN INDUSTRY THAT NEVER LEARNS ANYTHING TEEHEEHEE!"

[@ONA-yt]

This is undeniably accurate, alongside the lack of a stong identity and forced "inclusion".

[@vacuumandgaspressurecoexisting]

h1z1 failed itself and it was the better battle royale game and came out even before pubg and fartnite.

[@kamilmech5802]

I wish I could upvote this comment more than once

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

Don't forget that each time you had people telling us that all gaming would consolidate around the trend of the day and that you're old man grandpa stuck in the past with nostalgia goggles if you disagreed.

[@superturkle]

when the simpsons tv show surprised everyone back in the late 80s, there were at least a half dozen copycat shows that appeared on prime time network tv. they all failed, and they deserved it; they were boring at best. you can see the titles in the early simpsons halloween episodes.

[@Yogi_Bear69]

The guy in the middle is everything wrong with IGN

[@Snxgur]

it pisses me off that IGN still has a platform

[@ArkonBlade]

It baffles my mind that they are still in business

[@KeytarArgonian]

And it’s bigger than ever. They have bought up so many other outlets now you’re watching IGN owned everywhere you go.

[@chriskirk9708]

no but seriously. I thought we all decided IGN sucked back in like 2008

[@zeeochance]

​@@chriskirk9708Oh, it sucks. The problem will eventually correct itself though.

[@reavercity568]

​@@chriskirk97088/8 IGN is at it again!

[@scottyius]

All the concord players went back to suicide squad lol

[@NeoN-PeoN]

Hahahaha! 100%

[@TheSteelmushroom]

The increase to around 350 players was because there was a 80% discount sale. Though this was given to other Warner Bros videos games but this is it's like 2nd or 3rd discount this year. Plus Prime Gaming and the Epic Launcher gave out a free one if you claimed it as well.

[@TheSteelmushroom]

The increase to 350 players because there was an 80% discount sale which is like it's 2nd or 3rd big discount this year. And, Prime Gaming and Epic Launcher gave out free copies if you claimed it.

[@MAR7870J]

Actually suicide squad was given for free by amazon games a while back, that might be the reason for a few more players joining in.

[@chefnstrike]

With limited number of consoles they are trying to put out unlimited games. Not every game has to be a banger. We just want games we enjoy playing from someone who enjoyed making them.

[@will4673]

They refuse to say the game was a woke pile of garbage and dance carefully around it….It’s obvious why it failed. Gamers are sick of that BS….

[@hardboil4033]

Even if it is not woke, the game will fail regardless. The core gameplay is just too basic and yet missing so much, too much confidence as well. But I do agree, all the idea of this game, from the design, character, and story They literally pushed woke agenda a little too much into their game.

[@resolutogamer4859]

Bankruptcy awaits all who dive into the uwo-ke pool

[@herroberbesserwisser7331]

What woke agenda? I do not see it.

[@MattyIce690]

@@herroberbesserwisser7331 The fkn robot has its pronouns listed...

[@herroberbesserwisser7331]

​@@MattyIce690 Gendered robots have existed for decades. Bender also had pronouns in futurama lmao. And people usually call cars a "she" so how the heck is it woke now?

[@Sirvanic]

Real question. How often do brand new game studios get 100+ million dollars to develop a triple a game? How can you give so much money to an unproved studio. Sounds like insanity to me.

[@adamayala18]

Do some research half of team I believe are ex destiny 2 devs

[@RKNancy]

They saw the tag, "Ex-Bungie employees" and saw how DEI forward the studio was and blindly gave them the money. I swear, this wouldn't happen if these CEO's understood the gaming culture. Soyny deserves to lose that money. This is what happens when you put ideology first and product quality last.

[@peterparker-q1q]

lgbt propaganda is ready to waste money

[@josetapia9714]

You dont. When Sony bough Bungie, 8 years ago, there were originally 12 live service videogames in development. More than half of those games were canceled after being review bombed by the new Bungie exces but gave Concord a green light. So the budget of those games was transfered to Concord. So Concord originally had a smaller budget

[@r3zaful]

@skeletonegaming the leaked concept arts are pretty much shows that they have actual concept, i dont know what happens the end product like those

[@TizerakYT]

The difference with Concord and No Man's Sky / CP2077 is that people were hyped for those beforehand, NO ONE was hyped for Concord.

[@rustymustard7798]

7/10 is just a cop out rating. It's like trying to change the subject when she asks "Does this dress make my ass look fat?"

[@strategygaming5830]

No = calling my ass small, Yes = you think I am fat and therefore ugly.

[@wickian9571]

I think Valheim is probably one of the best examples in recent years of a very flawed game being a 9 or 10 out of 10 due to the core gameplay being so good that all of those flaws become almost irrelevant in comparison.

[@tylerkincaid5200]

Having actually played Concord, a 7/10 feels fair. I feel like if it was free to play, it would have done a little better.

[@12SickOne34]

"It matches your hair color very nicely"

[@alexanderkee6386]

I think reviews have shifted and its not a 10 scale but a 5 scale so 7/10 = 2/5

[@Centruzi]

Too many companies are trying to stick their hands into the live service cookie jar. They all want the revenue of big live service games because it looks good on paper. In reality there is already too many live service games and a majority of the consumer base has already been drawn out.

[@Yamivenum]

Just like how the br era I hated that shit

[@mryellow6918]

They don't seem to realise not everything needs to be a live service.

[@D3adCl0wn]

@@mryellow6918 They saw the gacha and Fortnite revenues, and they started drooling.

[@yeeyw]

They forgot that the customer usually only played 1 or 2 max live service game because they eat a LOT of time so player inevitably invest a lot on the game That makes it harder for player to leave because they Don't want to "waste" their investment

[@danieln6700]

They really need to stand out. Why quit OW for a worse version. OW still plays well regardless of the pve bs.

[@xanira6367]

its crazy a 12 year old re-release of a game, apb reloaded got 650 additional average players after a recent update. that game has 2 devs working on the game part time, and 2 people taking care of support and forums

[@Avalanste]

Live service is already saturated and having DEI just fueled those games deeper.

[@theheresiarch3740]

DEI isn't even the primary cause, it's the simple fact that it's a bad product by every metric. Consumers couldn't care less about what the company does as long as the game is good. Crunch and rampant worker exploitation across the industry are good examples of that. Consumers also aren't particularly bothered with politics in games, as long as the game is good. Disco Elysium is a great example of that. Make good games and people will forgive a multitude of sins. However, if the product is bad, all that forgiveness evaporates.

[@mufasafalldown8401]

​@@theheresiarch3740you're ignoring the fact that DEI is sometimes the reason they are bad. Like Concord... those character designs are a prime example.

[@malificajones7674]

@@theheresiarch3740 You're missing something important. If a company cares about DEI, then that means they will have pushed for diversity recruitment. Those developers *ALWAYS* suck, because they're recruited for their gender/race instead of their programming skills. Any sniff of DEI absolutely guarantees that the game will suck.

[@Valoric]

@@theheresiarch3740 forcing pronouns down the customers throat has nothing to do with it guys! Nothing to see here!

[@dukeofgotham4311]

@@Valoric oh no not the pronouns! Whatever will we do? What a weird thing to focus on 🤣

[@walther2492]

You can't give them a 6.5 or lower bc the devs and publisher will get mad on you and you won't get any test samples anymore for future games. That's the whole reason.

[@NeonMako]

Yup. Access Journalism has ruined video game related journalism entirely. Games, peripherals, whatever. If you give an honest review of a bad product, then they simply no longer let you review their products.

[@joshallen128]

F in school is 65

[@jericktecson5558]

In Helldivers 2 you can get in-game currency by just diving into the game and do some looting. The orbital stratagems are free, we just need to complete missions/objectives alongside the major order. The new warbond/battle pass that game critics/journalists say that is "pay-to-win" is a lie.

[@chavezm621]

Uhhh you’re intentionally not including that you have to grinnnnndddd. If I can pay to unlock something faster than the people that have to grind then it’s called pay for convenience.

[@ronnie0817]

​@@chavezm621yes it's pay for convenience how else do you expect them to make money? Also they do it better than other similar games look at first descendant and how much you have to grind

[@Wazzzhappnin32]

I hate it when people use the term "Pay to Win" when talking about a PvE game. At it's worse, it's pay for convenience, and even then, it's $10 and there's no FOMO........

[@mikemcginnis1288]

Watching these idiots dance around not saying it's DEI and ESG bs is what's wrong is hilarious !

[@DarkMetalOmega]

They can't because Blackrock pays the pills.

[@CubicIronPyrite]

And the DEI in the game jumped the shark, the character lineup is extremely biased.

[@th3400ded]

I'm telling you man. kinda funny was dancing around the same way, like what?

[@nucklechutz9933]

Asmon is correct, and not taking crazy pills, but it IS crazy how hard articulating the issue is. Put simply, many professional critics these days have confused themselves into thinking they are tastemakers. They are not, they exist in a space fundamentally identified by the market as advanced purchasing information providers. This space will never change no matter how flowery OR hostile the rhetoric (lookin' at you, Wukong reviewers.) When the user review of any product, video game or movie or company or otherwise, disagrees so completely in either direction, it is not merely a disagreement over the quality of the product, but a direct indictment against the initial review. Not only does a video game reviewer NOT have the responsibility to teach the market what a good game looks like, they simply do not have the capability. It is a sad delusion, and it will die on its own, no need for action, carry on as usual.

[@randomradonymous]

There's 10,000 games you won't buy in a day, we just all made sure this was one of 'em

[@bluepriest6990]

dude talking about how its a middle of the road game thats not anything special rates and then gives it a 7/10, 5/10 being just average.

[@nicolasferreiro4492]

In an exam, 5/10 is just making it. Below that is a fail unless the teacher is feeling generous. And that's what most people will think about when they see that scale used.

[@Druhin-yt]

This is exactly what i was thinking. They talk about how bad the writing is and how bland the gameplay is yet they give it a 7/10 IGN ratings right there.

[@AG.89T]

The median on the 0-10 scale is not necessarily the average.

[@ChezMclegend]

@@nicolasferreiro4492Sounds like your teachers gave you a huge handicap with the 1-10 scale, like they do with most kids.

[@michaelh878]

7/10 is average for a AAA game. 5/10 is average for all games including indies.

[@one_bone_4_life647]

We told them to make their own games...they finally listened...and the entire "modern audience" played their games. How can they be mad?

[@jericslater889]

If a game is P2W, its not a game. Its a waste of time and money. This business model is rotten to its core.

[@hartleyshandcrafted]

the devs working harder at keeping their games in a vegetative state than they did making the actual games.

[@Landon783]

52:00 Blu-ray drive was the only reason my dad bought the PS3. He's never played a video game in his life other than Chessmaster 9000, but I remember very clearly that the reason he bought the PS3 was because it was cheaper than an actual blu-ray player

[@mxdanger]

My PS3 has turned into our blu-ray player and it’s damn good at it.

[@RBFR01]

Rip Sony.

[@marcbraun5342]

Correct, it was basically the one of the best and cheapest Blu-Ray player at that time, since it was Sony technology. I don't know the exact prices anymore but I remember that the console was basically or even actually for free if you count in the Blu-Ray player.

[@TimeBomb014X]

Also the base PS3 model at launch had ps2 backwards compatibility, so you coukd play PS1, 2 and 3 games (when they eventually came). PS5 Pro cant even play PS5 games if you bought GoW Ragnarok or TLoU P2 physically

[@slavo316]

Also why the PS 2 had a big push. DVD players were expensive in Japan but the PS2 was much cheaper and you get a video game console as well.

[@Casual__Chris]

Guy in the middle is a weasel. You can see it in his eyes, and that’s why he rides the middle about any topic spoken about.

[@dovakeen1179]

Space marine 2 like games is the antidote to this problem

[@lachlantwycross3981]

Pretty mid game

[@tomato1087]

I waiting for them to add more content into eternal war and operation it would be awesome

[@marxmanw3877]

​@@lachlantwycross3981 concord is definitely your favorite game.

[@lachlantwycross3981]

@@marxmanw3877 its not. Space marine is hella repetitive and the gameplay is average at best

[@ZipperZbieracz]

Space Marine 2 is a mid, 7/10 game. It has repetitive gameplay, good visuals, poor sound design, no DEI. It's just that in a sea of terrible goyslop, it stands out as a decent enough game.

[@hwlqq]

The greatest thing about live-service games is that they can be shut down

[@ihotfirei6956]

I find the comparisons of Concord to Redfall kinda ridiculous. Unlike Concord, there was an untapped market for Redfall(vampires) to be successful. Redfall was just poorly executed in that delivery. Absolutely no one asked for a watered down version of overwatch.

[@Bach_Treebane]

Redfall failed far before bethesda revealed it. It was speculated that it would be the next iteration elder scrolls. REDguard + DaggerFALL = redfall. Bethesda fans are fed up with waiting 15+ years waiting for the next elderscrolls game while flop after flop comes out of bethesda that no one asked for (vampires included)

[@arthurchu4491]

Live service. ❌️ Live less service. ⭕️

[@stevenyee1055]

Self serving

[@D201-o4k]

Dead service

[@nahfamyouaint]

Worthless service

[@arthurchu4491]

Live disservice.

[@killustrator]

None of these guys will ever talk about the DEI shit which is one hundred percent why it completely collapsed. None of them will do it. Any mainstream youtuber is always reading off of a script.

[@unyieldingsarcasm2505]

If that was the case, good games with "DEI" wouldnt exist. Yet BG3 just nocked it outa the park last year. The obsession with "DEI" being the thing making games fail is just Sinking Ship Spotting, pointing to failed game with diversity in them while ignoring the ones that do well.

[@mufasafalldown8401]

​@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 nah point to bg3 as an example of "See DEI works" is just Floating Ship Spotting 😂

[@mufasafalldown8401]

​@@unyieldingsarcasm2505what I mean by that is bg3 is VERY MUCH an exception. These games are failing as a direct result of woke/dei in some cases. Those character designs in Concord? That was DEI in action. And it sunk the game.

[@silentjazzlight2398]

​​​@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 BG3 is not a DEI game no ploitical agenda was pushed everybody knows D&D has its characters and races naturaly and how's it played the devs respected the D&D fanbase and gamers alike. Have you seen the difference in character design and story telling in BG3 and other DEI infested games its very noticable What are you smoking😂

[@frosty848]

​@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 BG3 is hardly woke. the game just lets you do w/e you want

[@bardog7280]

All scores that are 7 should be changed to 2. IGN is not even reviewing the buggy indie games.

[@NeoN-PeoN]

I can't get passed the fact that there's a video game show hosted by 3 White dudes. That's crazy. What are they THINKING!?!?

[@cameronmacdonald3482]

Bro wut

[@candrink]

@@cameronmacdonald3482 I think it’s sarcasm

[@Zaque-TV]

Lmao oh shit

[@LethalOwl]

IMPOSSIBRU!

[@jaymenza5196]

It’s almost like it’s 90% of the industry

[@oddtactic]

If your game is woke it's bad. If your game is DEI - it's mega bad. If your game is woke DEI flop trash - it's ultra mega bad.

[@jensenraylight8011]

Sony is right, i won't be surprised if Sony use Concord as a Sacrificial Pawn, it's a Massive loss, but a necessary one. to stop SweetBaby blackmail, stop them from pushing everyone around, shoving their agenda to everyone. this big flop should serve as a reminder for everyone in Game and Movie industry, that if you put Political stuff and Hidden agenda in the game, it will flop. using SweetBaby inc service will makes your game Flop and your company Stock tank they don't have any leverage anymore, nothing can be used as a blackmail anymore

[@gtertgvsdfv4904]

how can a game be woke or DEI, what does this even mean?

[@ZomboidMania]

​@@gtertgvsdfv4904 woke is like ultra liberal, where like the whole game is basically a political message and it's trying too hard to change social norms when it should just be a videogame, and idk what DEI means

[@oddtactic]

@@ZomboidMania Diversity, equity and inclusion. Game for everyone=game for no one.

[@Erowens98]

These guys seem like the kind of reviews who try to avoid controversy but ultimately always toe the corporate line. They keep trying to find ways to justify Concords failure with any other reason than the actual reason it failed. Being a nothingburger of a game stuffed to the gills with messaging most gamers find repulsive with no redeeming traits.

[@soapa4279]

God just seeing that trans vietnamese xenomorph fruity alien reminds me how awful the character designs are

[@PaNDaSNiP3R]

Live service games suck. I basically avoid them

[@moonthief363]

Helldivers 😎

[@argo7155]

Rock and stone?!

[@jaydub2546]

@@moonthief363It’s good but most of us got bored after having nothing more to accomplish

[@demonshadows1]

He’s trying to justify why it was dog shit with a 7. Sir, your reasoning makes it a 1 out of 10

[@xKevmachinex]

When I first played Red Fall I remember thinking, "wow!!! what a load of crap!"

[@andrewdrewrew1015]

Thats your first mistake was... Trying Red Fall in the first place when you can see that game of a steaming pile of dumpster sh*t fire from miles away.

[@mkv2718]

you played Redfall? interesting...

[@xKevmachinex]

@@mkv2718 lol. the term play assumes fun was had, it was more like endured around 1 hour of it.

[@kimrasmussen7188]

redfall at least has a interesting setup, and the world looks good. this game literally had nothing.

[@politicalpolarbear]

The middle guy seemed to want to cope bad for Concord but the right guy blasted it like he should. The left guy kind of came around. Concord could make all their assets free to download and nobody would get them.

[@Maymaysmaymays]

Destin Legarie used to work for Screw Attack’s Hard News where he would regularly call out BS on a weekly basis. He’s well versed in this sort of stuff.

[@apilgrim6907]

That was a fantastic sparring match with the IGN fella in the middle and the fella on the right. Looks like the fella on the right was more aligned to reality, and was very keen to keep the fella in the middle to task and not mind his misdirections, while not saying too much of the truth to get him excommunicated from the media clique.

[@conor4437]

No one remembers “Crucible” from AGS. Got pulled from beta in 2020, and never brought back because of how poorly it did. Even after having streamers promote it. Same mistakes. Bland and no identity. That one just had more respect to pull it from beta and take the loss early on and didn’t blame everyone else for its failures.

[@michaelh878]

And the 100 million plus lost by Sega and creative assembly on hyenas which never even got to a beta.

[@argo7155]

I was searching for that name

[@mercurial6480]

Ironically it's dead service today

[@changer_of_ways_999]

Funeral service

[@apexdude105]

3:12 I disagree with this point. Deadlock is from Valve, from our lord and savior Gaben. That has more weight than any popular IP imo.

[@TheRavencommander]

Fun fact, they actually have suicide squad on the "Top selling" list on xbox... what a lie

[@hoangdung7494]

What is this xbox thing? 😂

[@dondahighhh12]

Sucide Squad is the 15th highest grossing game in the USA YTD... meanwhile Stellar Blade is out of the top 20 and being outsold by Sea of Thieves keep coping though

[@Ghorda9]

@@dondahighhh12 "grossing" but with what standards?, if it includes in game purchases than that doesn't mean a lot.

[@chrischeng9145]

​@@dondahighhh12where can we find these stats

[@scubasteve2189]

To be fair, Xbox is a dying platform, soooo….. 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@Risingashes]

Kill the Justice League went on a -80% sale Sept 13. That's why it went from 100 to 600 active players. Previous sales were 60%, then 70%. So it's on track to be paying players roughly $10 to buy it within 3 months.

[@ZomboidMania]

My sister really likes the game so she'll be sad when it's shut down 😔

[@byronbarrientos8471]

you can't play it offline ?

[@MonoThrash-z2z]

PLAYSTATION 3 LAUNCHED WITH BluRay Cell Processor x4 USB slots Wireless controllers Wifi built in Other card reader slots Built in ps1 ps2 full backwards compatibility Free playstation network Large exclusive multiplayer games like SOCOM MAG Warhawk Resistance1 and 2 killzone2 Twisted Metal Uncharted 2 etc etc. Yeah I bought at launch 60 gig. Greatest purchase in my life

[@wojciechkups2914]

I get sick listening to the "explanation" how they rated Concord 7. They take zero responsibility for the authority they have when catering expensive shit games to people who still trust them. I'd prefer to decide with a dice roll than ever listen to IGN's take. Gaming journalism is dead and if you're that disconnected and effectively harmful, I'm sorry, but you need to go.

[@Deadpoolion]

It's high time to understand that game journalists are in captivity of large game companies and will not help them to put less than 7 for any game. 5 points should be the rating of a passing average from games but no one dares to give such ratings if the game is not Fierce trash

[@user-gb6si1uf3i]

I will rate this game -3/10 Edit - The white dragon from blackmyth is better than whole concord.

[@WZMVN]

Who forced single-player studio to make live service game deserve to go hell

[@Meigosh]

The game was 100% flop, no community, shut down in less than a month, lost approximately $200 million. 7/10 review score.

[@1ProAssassin]

Concord would've failed even if it came out at the height of Hero Shooters. It fundamentally is boring and uninteresting from both gameplay and visuals. If military shooter gameplay looks more exciting than Concord's hero shooter game play then you have a problem. Just looking at the footage on this video, all the characters look slow and heavy. The few moves that give a burst of energy just look boringly functional. How do you have a character with a rocket launcher capable of rocketing to an enemy to rocket kick them look boring?

[@vlarion2023]

Actually the losing 99% of the money used for development was inaccurate Asmon, because remember they refunded all the copies, so in reality they lost 100% of the money.

[@RBFR01]

I'm surprised they gave refunds.

[@billmelater6470]

They actually use themselves as giving it a 7 as a basis for it being a 7. Circular logic at it's finest. "It's a 7" "Why is it a 7?" "Because we gave it a 7." "Why did you give it a 7?" "Because it's a 7"

[@hardcorehage]

Bondo, it's what plants crave

[@fixman88]

Tautological Argument: The game.

[@lairasan7467]

in helldivers the strategem is not behind a paywall its in a warbound like any other weapon

[@pukelius4128]

The what in the where with who??

[@bigbeatmanifesto6517]

And 95% of players pay for the currency to unlock it

[@anormalphantom130]

@@bigbeatmanifesto6517 Paying is optional "but it's faster to pay!" No shit how else are they going to make money, it's a live service game for fucks sake

[@ronnie0817]

Majority of the people talking about helldivers apparently don't play the game. Stratagem are free and you unlock them with progress. On top of that everything is earn able

[@ZekethePhoenix]

​@@bigbeatmanifesto6517almost every match you play, if you explore every poi, you will most likely get anywhere from 10 super credits/cents to 1 dollar. It costs 1000 super credits for a warbond. It's incredibly easy to 100% a map. Especially on lower difficulty. The game is very much the most healthy form of f2p. Everything is earnable and not even overly grindy.

[@Daventry85]

IGN are funded by Sony.. There's plenty of paper trails to the parent company and Sony. They also been caught giving Xbox reviews bad scores, not listing Xbox as a possible platform for games on multiple occasions that are multi plat and much more. Sony = 7+ no matter what.

[@xtremegamer78]

Oh please. Destin is an Xbox shill

[@Lumerlume11]

Despite giving it a 7, ign completely blasted the game and Sony as a whole for their awful decision making in this video so wtf are you even talking about. "bUt FolLoW tHe PaPer tRaiL"

[@squidward8125]

​@@Lumerlume11 i don't think these people understand that the review is based on the game's performance and gameplay foremost, not speculative DEI elements or bad visual design. the "woke vs antiwoke" grift has reached its peak. simple intuition is no longer reliable

[@justinauyeung1290]

Jim Ryan...another classic example of never trust someone with two first names.

[@KeytarArgonian]

Yooo I thought I was the only person that followed that rule 😂

[@trinstonmichaels7062]

It seems that companies will soon realize that there are not an infinite number of people in the world to buy their stuff.

[@willardtk]

the never ending edging of live service games makes me incredibly unsatisfied. they feel like chores, and I've got plenty of laundry that needs to be folded already

[@onlyvvv]

14:05 I love seeing this dork get caught with his pants down, trying to justify the 7 when the game can’t even stay online for two weeks, with a 100 million dollar budget. He seriously can’t accept that he, and all “the other reviewers” are so friggen out of touch with the audience they think they serve. Their actual audience is just funko-pop collectors.

[@KeytarArgonian]

Because you don’t understand IGN’s review process. We had this discussion about a decade ago, and IGN was forced to clarify. An IGN 5 is a 1 everywhere else, 5 means the game runs. Below that, you’re looking at completely broken, buggy messes, scam games and basically mobile ports. An IGN 7 *IS* their Average score. An IGN 7 is a 5 everywhere else.

[@Packin-Heat.]

​@@KeytarArgonianAnd yet they always pair their 7's with the word "good."

[@KeytarArgonian]

@@Packin-Heat. that’s also true, I imagine it also looks better for the access when they give a game a 7 instead if they 5 they are really giving it. It also gives the audience a false impression that the game is better than it is.

[@brominik4522]

I don't think a critic has to conclude the same rating as the audience to be right. It's not their job to predict the average score, it's their job to rate a game based on their own preferences and believes. The thing is, that not every critics review will resonate with everybody. And as a user I have to find one critic that shares my viewpoints, what makes a game great.

[@TheYashakami]

If your boss is doing a shitty job tell them they are doing a shitty job. If you push out shit because you were afraid to be honest you share the responsibility.

[@lumicide3_9]

These two people really beat around the bush regarding the character design and the "Fucking Pronouns!"

[@ReFriedNoodles]

12:05 It was a negative review then the reviewer speaks positively for 30 seconds and says 7 out of 10. The review scores are BS.

[@EyeOfMagnus4E201]

They have to fortify their score to earn their “fees” and keep their perks.

[@RawrJustJames]

People are fed up with being drip fed mediocre content under the guise of "live service".

[@AkaRystik]

To be completely fair to Helldivers, the new update they are cooking does actually look good, and the Warbonds that you buy to unlock the new stuff can be bought by farming the currency in game. I've bought 3 or 4 warbonds without spending any money. I do believe they slowed down how often you find the currency but at least you can still farm it free.

[@Notaalt-r8e]

This is why I don't trust reviewers anymore user reviews are the only thing I will trust

[@emailsucks28]

Single player games in large will always be better than online. There's not a single online game that holds up over time as good as thousands of single player games.

[@NeonMako]

Nah there are some. The original CoD4 MW is still a bloody great online FPS to this day, and is from 2005. It is much more rare, sure. But there are old MP games that still rock. Heck WoW is 20 years old now!

[@Joek9100]

There is a bot account above that stole your exact comment lol

[@tangroro]

2:59 that's exactly the reason why Asmongold is wrong when he said these woke games will eventaully die out, because when every reviewers give 10 reasons why a game failed, and the obvious reason got burried under the other 9 excuses, the developer will never think DEI is the main reason these games failed That's why Rocksteady fired a bunch of QA testers instead of firing the writers or character designers. Comic book industry went through the same thing, they will blame it on everything but the woke characters and storylines, it's always "event fatigue", "Japanese manga took over", "the comics are different than the movies", and of course "comic book fans are toxic males that don't welcome female readers"

[@F1rstNameLastName]

Agree with that last part. DC and Marvel comics going woke for a while completely dipped the western comic industry at the time and they blamed it on demon slayer becoming popular.

[@tangroro]

@@F1rstNameLastName using his Emperor's New Clothes comparison, if everyone tell the emperor people were staring because of his haircut, his makeup, how handsome he is, annnnnnd he's naked, chances are the emperor will get a new haircut or new makeup first, before he finally put on some clothes

[@JoeOvercoat]

I suggest they know full well why the games are failing, but yes they will go through every rationalization they can possibly dream up to lie to themselves until they run out of rationalizations when their games are still failing. Like the guy in the middle of this trio: he knows he’s lying to himself, but as long as all his buddies in industry are lying to they are all fine, much as you said. But they know, no doubt.

[@Seventizz]

5:13 The rainbow graphic is done on purpose and instantly turned off a vast majority of gamers. Concord was doomed from the very seconds of announcement.

[@normanmai7865]

L take, rainbows are pretty. Only rainbow flags turn off a *minority* of gamers and are indicative of controversial politics

[@Holy_Grapefruit]

Cyberpunk comes out, it's jank as fuck. Offer up refunds, take 2-3 years to fix it and make an already deemed classic. None of the excuses make sense.

[@Mantschgo]

Cyberpunk was one of the most hyped games of the century. They did get incredible sales, and the game was continuously pushed and used by NVIDIA to showcase their new technology. All it needed was a tad bit more time.

[@Holy_Grapefruit]

@@Mantschgo I do think this was the right journey. Aside from the performance issues, I do think the outcries from the community helped with putting them back on track. We still didn't get what was shown in that first first trailer, but they did a lot of what the community deemed lacking. I think it was a benefit in the end for CDPR. Maybe not monetarily, but community wise.

[@moonasha]

i like how asmon talks so authoritatively about helldivers, when 1, he doesn't play the game, 2, he's never played the game, 3, literally nobody in the helldivers community has complained about the stratagem costing money/super credits, and 4, there's a huge buff patch due to come out that everyone is hyped for. Asmon is so out of touch it isn't funny, but he talks with teh confidence of some kind of authority. Makes you wonder what else he screws up. This kind of idiocy spreads what can only be called fake news, and might turn people away from the game who might have otherwise wanted to check the new patch out

[@averagelok1959]

I played the game and loved it but he's right it is repetitive and the community is thinning out because of this plus all their dlc are boring with a majority of new stuff being battlepasses I'm sorry but the game is actively dieing

[@ianbradley2740]

@moonasha same

[@JZX1673]

you forgot 5: there's no stratagems in the warbond, technically yes because you gotta call them in but it's the dog breath guard dog and the weapon, there's no orbitals in the warbond

[@lars8174]

He's so smug about his opinions. It's like he's incapable of not thinking in black amd white. Like that the price tag has "nothing to do with it" or when he gets super frustrated about them not calling it a technically bad game, when it probably is average, but bland with extreme competition and late to the party.

[@averagelok1959]

@lars8174 deadlock came out around the same time and it's fine if you wanna die on hill that's already been captured go ahead

[@nemonada1323]

I agree with you about most of the reasons giving not actually being a reason for failure. In Concord's case, the problem was one of two things: either 1) it was made for an audience that doesn't exist, or 2) it was made to "appeal to everybody" by removing things that any group would find objectionable, which resulted in it not having anything in it to appeal to anybody. The rest of the reasons that guy was giving are only a list of missed opportunities to fix the problem.

[@yuyanli1983]

The Jim Ryan being forced out theory is very likely. What kind of CEO just "retires" out of nowhere in the middle of a console generation

[@KeytarArgonian]

I thought that was the case? Was there some other narrative?