Aspect of Pan is still absolutely insane. | Hades 2 Olympic Update

[@dandavidson3942]

No DD feels much more fun for me, until you get caught on an hourglass during chronos' oneshot

[@malikhittam1440]

@dandavidson3942 living on the edge is more fun than playing it safe. Strength is my new best friend (unless I play super high fear ofc)

[@LoudmouthedCrow]

It's really cool how it makes you re-evaluate stuff. I got Trusty Shield on a surface run last night and went, "Hey, wait, I'm regularly having armor leftover after each room. I can use Arachne's keepsake with this." And it actually works pretty well! Also took Vampiric Cataclysm with it, a hammer I normally hate, and beat 45 fear with it.

[@DeleteWidowNOW]

It’s all fun and game till you crank the fear past 16

[@VivBrodock]

Skill issue. Anyways yeah it's really fun. You can also bring the pin so you get an extra 10 seconds after the one shot if you keep running into it. It's not a DD so it doesn't turn off Strength

[@LonkiDonki]

@@dandavidson3942 omg that happened to me but I survived bc I was spamming A to divine dash I think? Either that or I got EXTREMELY lucky and dodged it I didn't see lmao

[@hogjehyxd]

My problem with Selene is just that some of the hexes are just useless against bosses. Jus add something small to them so it doesnt feel like dead weight vs the biggest fights

[@theformation3781]

Twilight Curse is the only one that is "useless" against bosses without upgrades, and it has an upgrade where you deal 250 damage to a boss (which isn't much but it is something). Otherwise out of the non-damage ones phase shift is *really* strong against bosses, moon water is just a nice heal, night bloom has a non-endpoint upgrade where your summon stays out there without a timer and it's fairly good against chronos then (moreso than sun worshipper since you can control what you summon and have a phase 2 summon too) but against cerberus it really shines since if you get either the heart thrower or the boxer guy they absolutely shred his healthbar. Night bloom *is* actually the only hex that's bad for surface since eris doesn't summon ads till the end and prometheus only summons ads... half the time(?) I want to say (and going out of your way to kill them isn't viable all the time).

[@looop3486]

Skyfall is pretty good but its only for selene aspect

[@MDoorpsy]

I think they can be good, but it basically requires that you take Selenes's keepsake at some point to get to the major upgrades. And some of the bonuses stack pretty well. Lunar Beam being so cheap means it is easy to get multiple stacks of +20% damage.

[@Mr.Starlight_gaming]

I'm more annoyed you can use them every 0.001 seconds, dark side especially. That crap carried me through Prometheus with the most dookie build ever.

[@alexandriacollins7119]

Raki the White Raven has been seen in that Fountain Space 'Safe Room', in Erebus (where Toula the Golden Wildcat used to be seen when not at Ephyra's docks). Hecuba the Black Hound has been seen with Echo in the Mourning Fields. Make sure you're stocked-up on Witches Delights!

[@saj9972]

u think 20-25 witches delights will be enough for the rest of the full game?

[@camelliasinensis219]

@@saj9972if you already maxed Frinos and Toula? Yes, roughly. (If I remember correctly you can level all 3 skills 3 times? Plus 1 for the initial bonding? So it’s 10 per familiar?) But they will probably add at least one more, Hecate’s polecat, since they specifically talk about the polecat currently missing and Hecate being ok with Mel bonding with her familiars (in plural) as well. Potentially more, since there are 6 weapons as well

[@hagard2787]

If you want to befriend Hecuba talk to Hecate after befriending Raki

[@fluffygalaxy6]

@@camelliasinensis219 I think 5 is more liklely, one for each gathering tool (unless they add another one of those too)

[@MVIVN]

@@hagard2787 Funnily enough I was running into Hecuba all the time until I had that chat with Hecate (after getting Raki) and now Hecuba has stopped spawning. I've done 5 runs to the underworld so far and Hecuba hasn't been in the Mourning Fields even once.

[@RoboSparkle]

Please can you do a silly run where you start with DD's and lose them all in Erebus to get Athena's Stubborn Defiance boon (Stalwart Stand) and lose it every chamber to build up Hades' Last Gasp, now that it scales to total DD's lost? I did a Max Pain, Max Frenzy, Max Scars run (because I didn't want it to take forever to lose my D's) with the knives, not pushing super hard for the big numbers (apart from Last Gasp - I bought some DD's back and Echo gave me three) and got that up to 200% bonus damage before I got nervous in Tartarus and stopped losing them. My Heph Vent ended up doing just under 3k to Chronos! I'm curious to see how far you can push it. I can promise that it's a lot of fun. You probably want to switch on max bonus health for enemies as Chronos phased pretty much every time I touched him...

[@vaibhavdesai7001]

I am a heavily DD reliant player but uk what I wanna try this one

[@augustarcana]

Just tried this! Was kinda tedious, but managed to get it all the way to 304% bonus damage! Shortest Chronos fight ever.

[@Not.A.Heretic]

man, how is he already playing other weapons. i am straight up addicted to the black coat 😆

[@malikhittam1440]

@@Not.A.Heretic Same

[@malikhittam1440]

I was already a huge fan of (most of) the weapons in this game, but after playing with Xinth, I feel like all the other weapons need a bit of a rework to put them on the same level as the new one. Xinth is easily the best designed weapon by far and imo stands leagues above the rest, both in terms of fun, synergies, and power. Am I the only one who feels this way?

[@D0verking69]

I felt like the axe was leagues better than all of the other weapons but Xinth reaches the same level as the axe for me

[@LoudmouthedCrow]

I think Momus is pretty well designed and does quite well with the changes to make omega moves faster, as well as Raki encouraging the use of more single, heavy hits. It needed the change to prime less magic, but it now feels quite strong with a Night + Death arcana setup and performed really well at near-max fear, with every move having some purpose. The other two staff aspects seem very pointless to me, though; what they offer is just worse than Momus, with a lot of overlap. Artemis and Mel blades are very close, but the omega special is a clear outlier to the kit and really pointless, and the omega attack tends to jump you into damage and is a bit slow to start charging when you want to use it. The new special is a huge improvement because it pierces and gives you a proper entry tool, especially Demeter special. I hate Pan with a passion; blades omega specials is the only move in the game that doesn't let you move once you start charging **until after you've finished firing every dagger** (i.e. you can neither dash nor cancel the charge and cannot dash until you've finished firing; Charon, for example, can dash as the charge is finishing.) Torches are fantastically well-designed, with every aspect encouraging using the whole kit in different ways and a balance of risk and reward between long range or getting close to land the omega special, but the aspects other than Moros don't do anywhere near enough damage and are pretty hopeless until that's fixed. Axe used to be great; now it's basically four entirely separate moves that have no real synergy with each other. You can special to stagger a little faster (useful if you get Hell Splitter or to link your second attack into the slam) and that's kind of it. The fact that you can buffer dashes and attacks into each other like Excalibur makes it still not the worst, but it really needs a lot of attack speed to maintain a stagger consistently and feel good, without the block for safety. Skull is a hot mess that makes no sense to me. Medea works but takes way too many inputs; the other aspects are awful without specific hammers; the ammo system is awful to manage on the surface (the skulls become way too dangerous to pick up), and the omega special has gotten me physically stuck between enemies many times so I took a million damage when it wore off. Most notably, the downtime the weapon has with staggering enemies (i.e. fire skulls at something, don't kill it, now need to move in and pick up skulls against an enemy you can't stagger) is really horrible with +40% enemy speed, to say nothing of trying to hit evasive enemies with its slow projectiles.

[@shah_riar407]

Xinth is by far the most enjoyable one, besides the daggers. Others aren't just for me...maybe the axe

[@jeremiahjoseph1123]

@@shah_riar407 try omega attack aphrodite zorophet aspect

[@DragN_H3art]

Everyone I've seen have been praising it, though ngl I'm kinda underwhelmed, mainly because the Specials feel too wonky to use properly, and Omega Attack seems... kinda bad (low reward for long wind up)

[@HealRD]

Regarding the new Incandescent Aura Duo, I find it very useful with most of the magick boons-only one (Fluid Gain) doesn’t fit well. The 500% damage scaling is impressive and really flexible, it quickly became my favorite. - Lucid Gain: Provides bonus damage with Charon, Local Climate, and Geyser Spout builds. Fitting the setup perfectly. - Ionic/Born/Fixed Gain: Delivers free (or with a small health/armor cost for Fixed), substantial damage once you regain magic, though landing the hit with Ionic can be quite difficult. - Glamour Gain: With a cooldown of 0.2 seconds and The Unseen Arcana, you can trigger this duo almost constantly. - Warmth Gain: Also procs constantly, especially with Mirrored Thrasher build. In fact, it may trigger even faster than Glamour. - Tranquil Gain: Synergizes exceptionally well with Brave Face (and various defensive and revenge boons) for an ultimate AFK build. You’ll become a nuke once your magic hits zero after tanking a one-shot move.

[@duckerke]

You can also use it with the Moon Water upgrade that restores magick, it becomes an on-demand explosion. Could be really powerful at max Path of Stars!

[@HealRD]

​@@duckerke Also with Geyser Spout and Lucid Gain combo! I wonder if it could work with Sanctity Dark Side too?

[@oonanoodle2896]

I wonder why they decided to rework the time slow down mechanic… I’m not complaining because it makes that mechanic feel more special but maybe they were worried about making it too easy for us?

[@MDoorpsy]

Maybe it was confusing with how it worked with the in game timer?

[@VivBrodock]

16:00 Sounds like chat spreading misinformation afaik Raki only appears in the fountain room in Erebus, I had to visit twice and on the second time I was able to bond. Once you have Raki you can get permission to bond with Hecuba (and presumably Gale, but she isnt in the game yet) from Hecate, after which you'll be able to bond Hecuba in Echo's room. Since Raki gives flat crit chance and mark imo she's the best familiar. Who needs hp (or magic, why Hecuba? why are you so trash?) when you can just kill things faster?

[@Putrescence420]

Yes, this is correct, the new familiars are not on surface, both are in underworld

[@CalamitasCalliope]

Hecuba is probably the familiar with the strongest attack out of the four, it's the only one I've felt has helped significantly in the room to room clear. But yeah, the basic bonus is very meh in comparison to what both Toula and Raki offer. I've been running Raki ever since I got him since he also helps farm rocks to use to grind up Prestige. Which I think is the fastest way to grind it? Poppy's have the highest sell value outside of the inconsistent chaos flowers/plasma, but since you have to wait for them to grow they're much slower.

[@VivBrodock]

@@CalamitasCalliope honestly, now that strength is the way it is my rating is Raki > Frinos > Hecuba > Toula Frinos at least does something, I feel like Hecuba adds nothing and Toula makes me worse. I should give Hecuba a fairer chance, I didn't really notice her doing much in damage (she didn't chart in the threeish runs I did with her, so I didn't realize she was the best combat familiar), but unless I'm blown away that's probably how the rating will stay. Toula will probably just be for runs with DDs if I begin swapping between that and Strength runs.

[@iand.structible1230]

Just wanted to let you know, if you don't already, that Flick Knives uses the standard form of the special currently (as in, the Hook Knives variant). This makes it the most efficient way to emulate full Hook Knives this patch. Yes, I did pause a run to say this.

[@derpsani7047]

thank you my glorious goat haelian, my #1 hades 2 goat

[@canopii9215]

🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

"Are you _sure_ you wouldn't rather fight Heracles, Polythemus? I'm running an Ascpect of Pan build right now."

[@OberynI]

Issues with hex are: Not all are made equal. Summon, slow and polymorph are just... eh. Beams require upgrades and even then can miss. Darkside, Water and Leap are good on base. Then we get to RNG on selection, where best choice might be lowest "tier" and have least upgrades. Which gets us to upgrades, which you might not get. And even if you do get them, trees are randomized or decided by "rarity/tier" which... ain't great and can ruin planning. Aspect of Selene way, by having hex on start and then providing guaranteed upgrades(either on fountain or for free at pre-boss shops) might make it more streamlined, and allow people to play around with Hexes.

[@mack_2023]

i love your videos so relaxing to watch! keep doing what you're doing dude :)

[@seanmorgan6329]

Im new to the channel and i play ravenswatch and i found you there then i see this video and think damn hes in my head because i just started this game lol keep the great content!!

[@Haelian]

Welcome and thanks so much!

[@Avamue]

Just for data I found the bird (white crow) in a fountain room in Erebus.

[@mcTenro]

About Selene, I'll prefer to have just 3 paths of 3 (stronger) Stars, and each Selene boon give only one star now. I see it like this : Path of Crescent Moon : Boon a1 --> Boon a2 --> Boon a3 Path of Half Moon : Boon b1 --> Boon b2 --> Boon b3 Path of Full Moon : Boon c1 --> Boon c2 --> Boon c3 And each time you get a Selene Boon you choose witch path to go to. each Star should be "as strong as" a God boons. (Not broken, but a real boost for spell or stats, not just 1% speed.) With the Crescent / Half / Full boons giving you some bonus if you match the current Hex symbol (when you picked it.) And the bonus should be enough to incentive to go one path or another. The Selene keepsake give one free Selene Boons.

[@redvenomweb]

Can verify from experience: Fig Leaf doesn't reset on rank up from 1 to 2. Maybe if it's at rank 2 and you still have a use remaining, it'll reset to from 1 to 3?

[@nickschaus7785]

Can you do a Zeus/Hera duo run in the underworld? Echo's new boon seems super fun, where she doubles the level of your highest-levelled boon.

[@JanGoh-jb5ge]

They need to make the turning radius on the knives better. Especially on the ships, I'm finding that my daggers go into the walls rather than homing to the cast circles way too often.

[@brianfox340]

Did that get worse in the new patch? I felt this my one run I did to unlock the new weapon, but figured I was crazy.

[@dvargas3553]

​@@brianfox340nah it definitely feels wayyyy more inaccurate to me as well, which in turn is making it feel a lot weaker I think. You end up with way lower damage is barely even half of your knives hit the enemy! I might test on an older build and compare to this build, but I'll have to backup my save file first otherwise things might get wonky

[@devonklipp49]

Looking at it entirely, all three DD give you an extra 120% effective health for all three + any excess from the attack that kills you + mana replenish Strength with its -50% damage gives you an extra 100% effective health + 25% extra damage + possible Athena boon Assuming it works how I've described, they're actually really similar in survivability. I like that there's an alternative to DD now. Strength's been really fun

[@Delicoms]

No DD runs are so fun now, basically my default loadout since I regularly end runs with max DDs and have accepted that not every run needs to he a W to be fun

[@lara6683]

People are sleeping on aspect of pan. It’s my go to.

[@galesturms]

Pan has been my main weapon since release but the patch just makes it feel so busted. Hestia or Aphro special spam has gotten me through most 32+ fear runs with ease.

[@champiggyfrm_pig5271]

Are those specials really better than poseidon ?

[@Quaresma77pl]

I bought this game when it came out. I've played for like 2 hours and dropped it. I felt like no weapon was fun to use except daggers. After recent update I've picked up game again. Oh boy it feels so much better. I still need to uprage most of my staff but it's better and better. Daggers are still my favourite weapon especialy aspect of the pan. I've used it recently with Hestia special and also that boon that allows me to launch cast into certain direction. It felt like chiron bow that way, when you don't have to sit on the face of the enemy. I'm still looking for some fun combinations and builds. So far "PanMan" one is the best

[@bigloquat]

It's a bummer that the omega special daggers don't return also. That was the entire reason I would go hook knives. RIP

[@Radicalpwner]

Hey Haelian, long time fan, O.G. watcher. Just wanted to comment cause I had the most interesting glitch happen to me. I was using Ygnium with Aspect of Eos and during the run, I reached Echo and chose a boon from the previous night. I just so happened to get Apollo's legendary, Exceptional Talent. So here's where things got glitchy. Now whenever I charged the Omega attack, if I didn't release it after fully charging, i'd just stay doing the motion of releasing the Daybreaker but it never released, Mel would just repeatedly spam the attack animation while FLASHING unless I released the button. Here's the craziest part. Apollo's legendary breaks the Omega attack twice. Once because it launches TWO Daybreakers despite the limit of one but more fascinating is the fact that it STORES a second Daybreaker charge. So no matter what you do, your next attack press launches ANOTHER 2 Daybreakers.

[@HealRD]

I also experienced the attack speed bug with Torch's Omega attack; the issue definitely stems from Exceptional Talent.

[@Haelian]

HMMMM

[@RichHeart89]

I thought the portals on olympos that makeyou crashland take you higher up the mountain and that the doors are side rooms, kinda like how Tartarus has a way forward and other reward rooms that make the run longer. that would explain the shop vs. gold choice in the end

[@yoongisrose6968]

Love handles build goes good with the black coat as long as you get the time between dingdongs low with glamour gain

[@ryanyoud1719]

On Scalding Vapor: I almost won my fist run against Chronos yesterday (still lost because of the insta-death clock ability) using Descura with Poseidon’s special, Controlled Burn, their duo, and the power shot special. I just had constant steam on Chronos and got him to like a quarter health

[@DNABeast]

I'm looking forward to trying a run where I get Athena's DD return each room and then just use it over and over again and then hopefully get Hades boon that gives you extra power for every DD you've lost. That could get out of control.

[@RubberGamesHD]

I've already done multiple runs with Hecuba as my only magic regen, it's surprisingly good

[@fatdawgfilms]

I always end up using Poseidon special for Pan. Does anybody have any other effective suggestions i could use to spice things up?

[@ByrneBaby]

okay I get Pan now. That Polyphemus fight opened my third eye. I still prefer Artemis but that was awesome lol Also I did that Gorgon Amulet strat yesterday, I lost my last DD against Cerby on purpose, then got the full refill boon from her for Chronos, it felt so good.

[@Rocky-yw1zo]

Good old busted daggers, i love how fun they are to play with ngl

[@shandrakor4686]

plentiful forage nerf was fairly small epic used to be 10 and is now 8 I think and still 5 at common not sure if pom still bugged. I got it tonight as my second boon and with a spade I triggered it 20 times on the surface and 160 health is nice. Anything that gets you a lot of health is much better with the strength arcana card so was handy.

[@adinv9257]

Skip option would have helped me last night, I was guaranteed to get my common Aphrodite attack converted into a heroic boon but after 4 rerolls on a boon, i was forced to pick up another common boon and lost the 50/50 at the fountain

[@aolremembers9450]

Contolled burn proccs scorch and thus scalding vapor can be used

[@briantheviking]

Don't know if you found them by this point Haelian but I found Raki in the same fountain room as Toula and in order to bring Hecuba and Raki home you need treats

[@justarandomdood]

yeah he's got the birb now but still no doggo :P

[@michaelfriede7693]

Slow cooker also affects Specials now!

[@lcintra_]

Am I blind or the animation changed for the returning specials (previously Hook Knives)? I don't see them coming back as it used to with the hammer, at least not the Ω special. Sometimes I noticed it came back with the regular special tho

[@Haelian]

Apparently that change only affects the regular special, I may not have totally realized it here though (can't remember).

[@anthony449]

I actually don't mind strength being kind of OP, because it is an incentive to not run the death defiances

[@Haelian]

Agreed!

[@balintgyuri6555]

I forgot to tune down my Fear level from 16 after beating Prometheus with Aspect of Momus and headed straight to Tartarus with Pan knives. Hestia special carried me for that run

[@prashantgaikwad9808]

Ay man .. nice kitter 🐱

[@suburbantimewaster9620]

Certainly looks insane.

[@coldclaw2295]

Y'know i like the music on Olympus, but it's very different from both the rest of the music in Hades II and in Hades I, so i feel like i notice it way more. I dunno if thats a weird thing to say or not.

[@KrymsonVerse]

PlayerUnit making its presence felt.

[@pexdark]

When did they change the aspect of Artemis? Now, every omega special knife thrown consumes a stack, where before you could have 9 fully charged omega specials with increased crit

[@TizianuMenzukialu]

I found the bird in a room before hecate both times and obtained it, but never saw the dog. The only think is that now the option to give the treats to the familiar dosnt show and i cannot level it- edit, he put a target like artemis and gather stones

[@majorlue]

You can deflect steam and it deals damage to you (shown as _PlayerUnit) it's a really odd bug 😂

[@Haelian]

WHA

[@balturunç]

Just a little heads up, because there are no chambers in the fields Athena cannot appear there.

[@Alloran]

That was some pretty gross dps. OPOP

[@Purgingcrab]

Granpaw!

[@vitocostello3117]

3:39 where are the dudes!

[@wigglebot765]

The amount of times slow cooker got skipped over made me sad :(

[@ryanaughtry9700]

Got my first Prometheus slay with it lol

[@spodack]

Hi first try with aspec of pan with hestia awesome!

[@tunab666]

sorry not sorry FKN LOVE PLENTIFUL FORAGE

[@PocketEden]

don't quote me on this but I think Athena keepsake doesn't work on the fields?

[@LadZeroUltra]

Why not take the Hera Door in Ephyra for her gain?

[@SadraMahdavi-q7q]

Life 330 🗿 Magick 506 💀

[@VivBrodock]

A single dagger melting 100% of armor has to be an oversight right? They wouldnt just leave that in the game... Right?

[@justarandomdood]

50% on the way out, 50% on the way back lol

[@dvargas3553]

I think how it works is 50 percent of whatever is currently there, so it would be 50 percent on the 1st hit, then 25 percent hit on the 2nd hit, etc. Your damage also counts to breaking the armor though so it'd probably be 2 knives or so to break armor would be my guess

[@justarandomdood]

@@dvargas3553 No the hammer says "based on the total" (look at 23:05) so it would always do 50% of full, not 50% of remaining

[@VivBrodock]

@@dvargas3553 cool math. one problem. you're wrong.

[@johnnymetonymic]

Do enemies have cooldowns? Why do we have them? Why can't anything just be good in this game?

[@lestervalentin5418]

a few weeks before the update ive actually been experimenting a lot with the hexes since ive been getting kinda bored with the game and found them to be really fun and very different ways to play. total eclipse and moon water are still powerful but have become kinda boring after trying out the others. so far wolf howl is the only one that i still dont find enjoyable at all

[@anon9067]

kittyyyyy!!!

[@tubbymitchek]

The bird is in the fountain room of Erebus. Everyone else is full of shit

[@johnnymetonymic]

This game is crap now. The devs destroyed every good build and literally everything is just meh. Whoever they have making these decisions needs to be banned from the building. I came back for the update and literally nothing has synergy anymore. Theres nothing to go for or care about now. I beat a bunch of runs but never once felt strong, even with no debuffs. For real, fire that dude.

[@Haelian]

They barely changed any boons this update lol.

[@mrbleepblopguy4638]

I am not a big fan of the eris fight I thought it should be Hercules.