Assassin's Creed III - All memory corridors and death of Charles Lee

[@darkdill]

It's strange. Thomas Hickey is the easiest of the Templars to hate in this, but you also have to admire how honest he is with his reasons. He doesn't give a shit about principle; he just wants material comforts. He's a hedonist through and through.

[@ShadowClaw98100]

+darkdill Hickey is, weirdly enough, the most relatible.

[@bloodrosereaper2099]

+ShadowClaw98100 his reasons, though not condonable by how he gained them and that outlook on life, is very human in nature.

[@robertsimon2885]

Let’s not forget the funniest.

[@masterexploder9668]

Both sides are right and both are wrong, they are two sides of the same coin, really. So Hickey is actually the smartest guy in all games. Why bother wasting time fighting over ideologies and grudges, just get rich and enjoy your life, Grim Reaper will come for all of us so it doesn't matter.

[@joet8862]

he lived a cynical existence indeed, nobody likes to admit how they live solely to chase money and status, but he did, he had his integrity

[@ShadowVincent3]

"You wield your blade like a man, but your mouth like a child." God I love this quote

[@therealmaskriz5716]

It fits so good.

[@nehh_aksat]

He lied. Connor was right. But why does it fit?

[@markdperry99]

Akshat Monga buddy it fits because Connor wields his blade like a man, but his mouth like a child. Idk why that’s so confusing

[@nehh_aksat]

@@markdperry99 No, it doesn't.

[@tuckhodges921]

Akshat Monga Connor was wrong, the revolution escalated, lives were lost, the native peoples Connor thought himself saving were driven off their land, the Templars he thought were his enemies weren’t evil men and didn’t do him any harm. The ending of Ac3 shows this to be true.

[@vincentbedard4267]

Ac 3 has some of the best memory corridors in my opinion . They were great at showing how morally grey the conflict between Assassins and Templars is.

[@speedking7224]

Church and hickey were scumbags

[@kcgaming0017]

@@speedking7224 Church was a traitor, and Hickey is merely a mercenary.

[@dfed324]

Not just assassins and templars but the actual moral gray that lied within both the British and colonists. AC3 is severely underrated.

[@heiveldboy]

@@dfed324 AC3 is a game that has great potential and really interesting writing, but isn't really backed up by the gameplay. The biggest problem with the game is that a lot of the content is repetitive or not well-thought out. The biggest example of this, imo, is the economy. Sure, you could build up your homestead, set your people to building and then export the goods, trying to navigate which trade routes have the best profits. Or you can just completely ignore it and focus on your standard gear and fly through the game easily enough. There's little to buy, the weapons you can buy really aren't THAT better. Your Assassin Tomahawk is more than sufficient to deal with everything. I think the developers needed at least another year to really polish up the mechanics, add some variety to the same quests and to really flesh out and integrate the assassin recruits into the main story. Then AC3 would've been a really good game, the equal to AC 2 and Black Flag.

[@RoadWulf]

The Colonial Templars were probably some of the better quality people in all of the Templars' history. This is shown in Rogue as well, that in multiple cases what the Templars were doing was right and what the Assassins did was wrong (like Hope using gangs to harass citizens and developing poison gas or Achilles grief fueled mad grab for Isu artifact ).

[@krowking123]

Can we all agree the Templars in this game are the best batch they ever made? I mean there are a lot of great ones but most are thrown in with a bunch that are boring or generic or uninteresting.

[@bobbyboom9]

TheMegaUzumaki, Wait, what? Name when Templar in this game kills another Templar.

[@bobbyboom9]

TheMegaUzumaki, Aha, I do understand. Do You mean Edward Braddock? Well, he has abandoned the Order and wasn't a Templar any longer. Even so, Templars haven't chased him down for his betrayal (what actually can't be said about Assassins, who always end with traitors).

[@bobbyboom9]

+TheMegaUzumaki, Well, Reginald lied from the very begining, and that is why he payed for that. After that Haytham stopped his communication with european Templars and established his Order in the colonies. He highly belived in the Templar cause but couldun't forgive Reginald so he found his future in the colonies. Benjamin... Well, he wasn't a Templar any longer, he has betrayed the Order and started helping the Crown in the war which was not good for the Order.

[@championjosh3536]

@ I agree

[@matcauthon9669]

AC1's were also pretty good.

[@benitoalvarez1348]

I love Haytham last words. They weren't about the templars, the group he has dedicated most of his life too if not all. It was from a father to a son, not a enemy to an enemy. Just letting connor know that he was proud of him. Nothing else.

[@divdivassassin7076]

Haytham was actually a good man, he even saved Connor from being hanged.

[@tatim6123]

DIV DIV Assassin rightttt haytham is my favorite character. in the franchise. he been through so much in his life. especially from his journal. i think ac rogue should’ve been about haytham

[@revolverocelot1380]

Ah man I cant believe I initially disliked ac 3. It has really good writing.

[@obiwankenobi5808]

@@revolverocelot1380 thats because we were used to Ezio like archs we forgot also that there are other types of people in the world thats not like ezio :P

[@roboticceltic2388]

*"If you are lucky you would remember the good times."*

[@Simon-lq5uk]

I like how unlike AC2, AC3 does the "grey area" theme with the templars like in AC1. It leaves you confused and maybe even makes you sympathize with the templars' cause. Especially when you learn it was george washington who ordered the attack on connor's village. Love it.

[@BCreep234]

Plus Haytham is a bad ass

[@jazielalmaraz6922]

Yesssss brooo i agree. In AC1 I remember killing those templars and then being like “are we really doing the right thing?” after hearing most of them confess why they did what they did. Its the same thing in AC3. Even with hickey despite what ppl think. If ur at an all time low, and someone offers you a great deal of money, shelter, food, women, etc to do bad things im sure many would take the job and be a mercenary like hickey. I love Haytham’s and Pitcairn’s arguments, although haytham says his arguments in the missions when ur w him and not when he dies. They actually make good sense and lowkey make you sympathize with them alittle more (imo). I like that haytham tells connor how proud of him he is, even though they dont agree in their ideologies

[@julianvilorio3993]

@MEMEGUY414 I think Ahmet from Revelations was the best Templar in the trilogy in my opinion(besides Cesare who was just batshit crazy). Ahmet wanted to achieve true peace and stop division among men by using the piece of Eden in Altair’s library. He argued that it would break down superstitions and illusions that keep men divided. Yes, his methods were questionable but I think he was very sincere in his motives.

[@SrRurik]

Edward Braddock: We were brothers... William Johnson: I wanted to protect them... John Pitcairn: We must stop this war... Thomas Hickey: GET PAID GET LAID GATORADE

[@novaniccastro6381]

💀💀

[@bscott465]

At least he was honest.

[@elvenatheart982]

Truth lmao

[@umutdurmus8765]

He is well aware of how the war will go on. When he says "don't look at me like that", you can feel that he would like to be a man of principles like Connor. But he knows how the world works. "Thing is, boy, I can have what I seek. Had it, even. You? Your hands will always be empty." I liked that side of him.

[@Shuichisaihara5499]

I’m the kind of guy who likes to have a beer in one hand, and a Titteh in the otha!

[@swingmattuk]

I think Pitcairn has the best speech. It's like he acknowledges the intent behind Conor's absolute freedom arguement says but doesn't think it'll work, so better the benevolent ruler than a brutal oppressive dictator, which I don't think many people would argue with

[@swingmattuk]

At this point he's trying to stop the revolution by getting the rebels to lay down their weapons? So it's King George and Parliament that they'd be submitting to, as Haytham points out Conor stopped the diplomacy Pitcairn was trying to carry out

[@swingmattuk]

I'm not read the novels, but in AC3 Haytham stated Conor screwed up the diplomacy. Pitcairn was going to seize weapons from Hancock, Conor helped mobilise the resistance fighters and helped cause the battle which sparked the Revolution

[@swingmattuk]

He killed Braddock to get the Natives onside, wasn't punished for killing Braddock implying that he was no longer following Templar orders. He needed the Natives onside to find the precursor site, badly as it goes, not for personal reasons, Braddock wasn't going to stop until he'd broken them, ere go he had to be stopped

[@swingmattuk]

He didn't turn on the Templars, he turned on his father's murderer and thought that Lee would be better for America than Washington, who was more likely to win the Revolution because of Washington's poor record. He could of done, that's why Juno recruited Conor, because they could have blasted their way in and opened the Sanctuary prematurely without enough first civilization DNA to free Juno.

[@swingmattuk]

Did you see Conor's vision from Juno with the glass Apple of Eden when he was younger? It showed Haytham and Charles opening the sanctuary and Juno said it would be breached, Haytham killed him out of personal revenge, not turning his back on the Order or he wouldn't have been in charge in the colonies when Conor was active. And his speech on how Washington was elected un-democratically and how Washington lost almost every battle he was in?

[@devin9594]

I love a game where it literally makes you think if what you are doing is actually good.

[@blacklightburns100]

Play Assasin's Creed Rogue and you'll see that the templars philosophy isn't that different as the assasin's, they just proceed differently :)

[@SwornHeresy]

Andras Polle Hell, even All Mualim had the same idea as the templars. It was because of Altair's senility did the Assassin's go libertarian.

[@Former_Halo_Fan]

Robert Shepherd The thing is, the Assassin's method of peace just wasn't working. You can't achieve peace through murder. The Templars had the right idea to ensure world peace, but their idea would see all mankind enslaved. It became more about hunting Templars than anything.

[@SwornHeresy]

HaloAndMinecraftFtw The Templars never wanted to enslave mankind. That was propaganda from the Assassin's.

[@Former_Halo_Fan]

"They WANT to be told what to do. They YEARN for it!" -Haytham Kenway, Assassins Creed 3 "A body enslaved inspires the mind to revolt. But enslave a man's mind and his body will follow on naturally. Efficiently." -Governor Torres, Assassins Creed 4 What do you think they want to do with those Pieces of Eden? Seal them away or study them like the Assassins? No.

[@moonman370]

I don't understand the hate on Connor. While being a solemn and individual it is only because of the pain he has felt and continues to feel. His statements are profound and peaceful and his unhappiness stems from the fact that the Americans and native Americans cannot live together in peace in his time.

[@2ChainZsensai]

moonman370 Eventually he was used by Juno...during his vision travel...Juno was bitch to use a pure motive connor

[@howyoudoin-qy9ll]

They are assassins i kind of expect stone cold emotionless killers

[@honkp6065]

A lot of the hate is because of the deconstructionist story the game is telling. It puts a pretty generic hero spouting fairly generic platitudes against genuinely interesting antagonists whose perspectives challenge and eventually change what the hero believes. It also doesn't help that this story prioritizes narrative themes first and likeability of the main character far second; whereas the Ezio trilogy traded good storytelling just to make the protagonist as likeable as possible. People bought this game expecting a mediocre story and another outstanding protagonist but instead recieved an outstanding story and a mediocre protagist.

[@Darkjonny79]

I would add that Connor came after 3 games with Ezio. Ezio, who we'd seen grow from a boy, to a Man, to a Mentor and then finally a Legend. We loved Ezio like a brother, we became better people. Then Connor comes and he's more arrogant, more argumentative and deals with his pain differently. Add in that People weren't satisfied with the Desmond ending and that Washington didn't have the apple in the main campaign (Not many, but enough). And people didn't like 3. Over time though, people have seen what Connors story is truely, and I think it's put him in a new light. I would personally love a Connor sequel, maybe even tie it into Unity, but who knows.

[@moonman370]

Darkjonny79 I agree we can only hope for a sequel with Conor. As he would say “It is better to have faith in something than none at all.” :)

[@farbodpirouz9458]

This game has it's flaws, but the characters, and the political elements in it are great.

[@TheApaura]

Connor Kenway indeed. some of, if not the best in the entire series.

[@bobbyboom9]

The Greatest Fascist, Really, characters in this game are brilliant, especially Master Templar Haytham Edward Kenway, one of the best characters in the entire series.

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

It reminds me of the original Assassin's Creed in that way, your enemies were sympathetic. Assassin's Creed 2 had such childish comic book morality.

[@kaitlyngarner740]

@@Dennis-nc3vw because most of the templars in AC2 through Revelations are considered to be evil men. The Borgia's really were that evil and many of the targets in Revelations are also reviled by history. I do wish Machiavelli was more of a morally ambiguous character in the games (like he was in real life). The Templars of the renaissance period still had the same goals of peace through order and control but they were headed by men that saught personal power. Rodrigo Borgia is considered to be one of the most vile human beings of the period and is only surpassed by a few in that regard.. his own son Cesare being one of them. It's easy to make them cartoonish villains because they pretty much were in real life

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

@Farbod Pirouz - Well said.

[@shooterDisease]

The talk with William Johnson is underrated. The way Connor gets closer almost worried and in doubt telling him that the colonists and his people have no conflict. And Johnson being right.

[@aleksandarvil5718]

Manifest Destiny / The New Frontier in a Nutshell

[@picassojulien899]

To me it’s my favorite corridor. Johnson was so right in this situation. Once the war was over the colonist forced the natives west.

[@quintonnarcisse6425]

@@picassojulien899and once the natives went as furthest west as they could go, with nowhere left to go the US began to subjugate and exterminate them and their cultures

[@charliefarmer4365]

Johnson was right about the government not caring about the Natives. However, he's also a hypocrite because he was legit about to kill a load of them.

[@scottsmith9002]

I loved Pitcairn's Speech

[@thefinest7574]

I don't feel bad for him. He's a dick

[@PedroVieira-jv2ef]

Why is he a dick, he wanted peace and no war. Braddock and Hickey were dicks.

[@alliasstar7289]

@TheMegaUzumaki Would u wake up! Braddock was a deranged arrogant madman who murdered one of his own men cause he felt for the enemy. Pitcain didn't want it to come to war. He just wanted the Patriots to surrender. He truly wanted peace. Besides, Braddock wanted to hurt Pitcain anyway.

[@user-bj5ki6sr6c]

@TheMegaUzumaki Ever listened to Haytham and Braddock's conversation? Haytham specifically states that his murder of Braddock is because he killed without purpose, not because he killed. There's but one time Haytham violates this rule of his, which is the Boston Massacre, and even then he had his purpose. Now, listen at Pitcairn's speech. He knows that people already died, and he knows that his role isn't to stop the deaths but to contain it to bare minimum. There's no hypocrisy here, Braddock kills indiscriminately while Haytham chooses who and how many needs to die to create his Utopia, and that he sticks to the bare minimum whenever possible

[@Shadowdragon_TV]

It's a little sad to know Haytham would of made a magnificent Assassin. But the words and theatricality of one man swayed him from his father's path. Edward would be turning in his grave.

[@halkras]

@TheUzumakiSpiral haytham didnt dirt his family name Yes,edward would be mad about his son is a templar but he still would be proud because he followed his fathers path but differently

[@K-11609]

@@halkras I’d say it’s less about him following the same path, but instead following his own path. While Edward did side with the assassins he didn’t drill it into Haytham, instead wanting to teach his son to go about his own way. Unfortunately with the capture of Haytham and Jenny as well as Edwards untimely death, the path was set for Haytham. While he wouldn’t be proud of his son, he wouldn’t detest him either for going his own way. As Haytham said to Adewale when mentioning Edward in Rogue “I am my own man!”

[@xXSonTJXxx]

I don't think Edward would be disappointed as he admit that he doesn't care if men become assassins or templars as long their following the right path

[@Bison257]

If you were a true assassin; you would see value in not impressing upon young Hatham the need to become like his old man.

[@retron99]

-"End his suffering cleanly" -Hacks him to death with a meat cleaver

[@robertlukacs4954]

lol

[@andrewlawton562]

i think he chopped his head off

[@nehh_aksat]

He meant that he should set him free by killing him so that he doesn't have to endure pain...

[@strafniki1080]

One swift cut

[@paulie561]

@@nehh_aksat Yeah I'm pretty sure as soon as he took the cleaver out of that guy's arm he went for the head right after

[@Nikolai1939]

An interesting aspect of Connor for me is how he's respectful of the enemies he slays: he reprimands Putnam for kicking Hickey's body even after all Hickey did to him, he offers to bring Pitcairn's words to the patriots, he let's Biddle die with dignity along with his ship, etc.

[@bluemassgamer17]

Also he responds in his native language to the people that had noble intentions but went the wrong way about it.

[@CALLthaDoctah]

I appreciate Connor's simplicity and raw vindictiveness. He's not as complex as the other protagonists, but his fierce (and sometimes naive) chauvinism definitely sets him apart from the others. His devotion is his strength of heart, and his weakness of personal character.

[@farbodpirouz9458]

He’s like Captain America

[@g2.a6]

@@farbodpirouz9458 Captain Native America

[@JL32506]

He's plenty complex. It's just that he doesn't reveal it to anyone other than friends or family, and he's goal-driven from the get-go. Ezio and Edward were great protagonists, but they had far more meandering plots/pacing to their stories/personal arcs. Connor always had a goal, a motivation, and the means to pursue it; he's a lot closer to Altair than any of the other protagonists, actually.

[@unicornbaby5101]

Best speeches in the series

[@unicornbaby5101]

+TheMegaUzumaki My opinion...

[@unicornbaby5101]

+TheMegaUzumaki Don't you like any templer in the series as I'm just curious in what your opinions are?

[@unicornbaby5101]

+TheMegaUzumaki what your favourite assassin's creed game?

[@unicornbaby5101]

+TheMegaUzumaki Why as I thought that would be your least favourite????

[@unicornbaby5101]

+TheMegaUzumaki oh I see what about your favourite assassin and what platform you play in?

[@MrPerfect2000Z]

Assassin's Creed III was in my opinion the first game to actually manage to portray the Templars not as evil bastards but as people who you can actually see where they are coming from. Helps that you meet them very early on as Haytham and that they aren't the Borgia's who just do not make you believe in the Templar cause

[@SwornHeresy]

The 1st one did the same for Leftist Atheists. But it was more apparent in 3.

[@nehh_aksat]

Assassins and Templars are both right. The only difference is the perspective. Assassins such as Connor are more peaceful while Templars are more violent.

[@sabrekeene814]

@@nehh_aksat I think it's the other way around

[@fisalaljohani9940]

The first one is assassin's creed 1

[@fisalaljohani9940]

@@zorex. assassin's creed 1 is first assassin creed to make the templar have a point not assassin's creed III am talking about the first comment

[@ZeroStriker426]

Benjamin Church's speech brought chills down my spine. Not just in how his VA delivered it, but the message it conveyed. It's the best memory corridor in any Assassin's Creed game IMO. All of the Templars in the game are realists, and Church, even though he betrayed his Templar brothers, was never blind to the truth.

[@SwornHeresy]

***** Tarik was a bit of a douche, but was absolutely right.

[@SwornHeresy]

*****​ Sorry, but the people need a shepherd (yeah that is ironic with my last name and all). The only question is, which sheep should control the rest of the sheep? Freedom is impossible. We are controlled by our governments. Just a matter of how much liberty we have. The Templars recognize this and just want a peaceful place of scientific, technological, and philosophical advancement. From what we have seen, they only get dirty to achieve these goals. And if the government doesn't exist, then the environment, physics and our own body's control us. Freedom isn't peace, but an invitation to chaos, unrest, and tyranny in the end. The best way to achieve liberty is to recognize we must all be governed and controlled. The only questions are, how much power do the "Big Sheep" get over us and how much and what are we able to do in our leisure, survival, and government involvement? Because the greater questions about the Assassins are, if everything is permitted, how can anybody be safe, and if nothing is true, why fight for anything or believe in anything? Church's speech isn't excusing the British Empire, he is saying that the colonists are ungrateful for all the British have done. Tell me, if you are on a colony in Mars and some aliens or something waged a war allied with the Russians/Chinese, would you want the main land of the USA to help you out? Of course you would and they would love to in order to keep their colony(ies). But what if after the war had been won, they asked you to help pay back some of the cost of the war? Seems fair, since they saved you, your family, friends, and everyone else. Or would you cry about it and wage a war against them?

[@SwornHeresy]

+TheMegaUzumaki Order and stability are extremely important. What do you think would happen if we didn't have an economy, food supply, water supply, etc for stability of the population or a police force to keep peace and order? Chaos would erupt and all kinds of horrid things would happen like drug cartels, gangs, warlords, mobs, and serial killers/rapists to go free, causing more deaths and pain in the end. When did the Templars ever discriminate against race? Even though Torres owned slaves, he said that it slowed humanity down and was extremely unproductive. That is the only thing close to racism I can see. Maybe the Assassin's fit the bill of that better, with Connor supporting people who would enable sexism and slavery. And last time I checked, the Assassin's are the one's opposing their ideology on people by ya know, ASSASSINATING people who disagree. And funny, Assassin's seem to be spiteful against the Templars who only want a peaceful and advanced society. They preach freedom, yet only preserve it from Templars. Funny, since I have yet to see Assassins ever fight for human rights like Secularism, gender equality, or an end to racism outside of Assassin's Creed Unity, which is one game out of a series of 11 games. Also, if you want anyone to take you seriously, saying that you didn't read it is childlike.

[@davidvonderhaar786]

Tarik was not a templar

[@martingeld]

+Robert Shepherd wow. I wish there were more people like you. people who see the truth.

[@XScotty95X]

Apart from AC1, most of these games made the Assassin's philosophy seem like the right choice and that the templars are evil but this game really left me conflicted. I currently sit on the fence between both ideals because the Templars ideas actually make sense.

[@XScotty95X]

+Kai Gaming That's all true. Nonetheless, Cesare remains my favourite villian in the series to date. I can never forget his psychotic speech to Rodrigo - "If I want to live, I live..."

[@Gamer4etoBG]

That is because Connor isn't certain if he is doing the right thing while Ezio knows it and has a wise answer in (almost) every memory corridor

[@picassojulien899]

Gamer4eto BG that also comes from ezio Templar’s being just being plain evil.

[@EarFarce4]

Both are idiotic. One side works for absolute control. The other side, for absolute freedom. Humanity functions best with both in moderation.

[@JabamiLain]

@@XScotty95X the Borgia were not true Templars, they couldn't care less about order and stability. They only cared about control and what they could gain from it. Actually, the Templars of today consider them a cancer that infected the whole order and are ashamed that they were part of the order.

[@ChaplainPhantasm]

11:00 You can see Connor's sadness when he killed Kanen'to:kon. It makes me sad a little as well.

[@mr.niceguy1095]

This game has the best memory corridor is the entire series .Everytime you kill someone and listen to what they say makes you think did I do the right thing ?

[@dogestranding5047]

Connor was also less likeable than the Templars.

[@dogestranding5047]

***** Connor was an idiot.

[@dogestranding5047]

***** That's up for debate, but it doesn't change the fact that Connor was a dumbass.

[@dogestranding5047]

***** Yes, but Connor is still an idiot. He kills Templars just because they're Templars. In the game, they're really just terrorists.

[@z54964380]

After playing all the assassin's creed games up until AC4,I can safely say that the first AC,AC III,AC4 and ACR has some of the best or the most likable templars in the entire franchise,as in their dying words they usually speak the truth out loud

[@dc4296]

I never underatood why this game was so disliked. It has a solid plot, relatable protagonist, convincing antagonists, interesting setting and awesome soundtrack. Not to mention seeing the US Revolution from the Native perspective was refreshing.

[@charcoal4742]

I think the reason why was after ezio who was a pretty vocal person having the stoic connor right after pisses a lot of people off even tho imo hes a amazing protagonist and the games a masterpiece

[@HybridSpektar]

It was also the first game to innovate and change the gameplay

[@gageowo9527]

Was a combination of Connor being so stoic but also the map being a bit overly ambitious and its size. Lots of backtracking and slow navigation. Arguably the clunkiest parkour in the series that would lead to extreme frustration especially in time sensitive moments. A ridiculous amount of guards on most stealth missions making you have to play through certain sections several times. Wildly unpredictable NPCs that often make no sense whatsoever and obnoxious combat with enemies that are fought in very linear ways. Almost all the issues of assassin's Creed III come from its gameplay. Although another big issue is the game taking 6 hours for the tutorial to end and the world to truly open up. Along with constant time skips in emotional moments and the resolution for the Achilles character being reserved to a side mission. Assassin's Creed III had some great antagonists and arguably the best memory corridors in the series but the gameplay was so frustrating

[@gageowo9527]

@@HybridSpektar yeah. It did a lot of things. But that's part of the problem to an extent. I tried to do too many new things and it was overwhelming for a lot of people

[@sugoi9680]

@@charcoal4742 I just hated it because of the loading times and the dragged out introductory sequence. I dread that part of the game. When the game actually got rolling it was great

[@nicolasingh6948]

You wield your blade like a man but your mouth like a child. Perfectly sums up Connor

[@infinitehardcorecombatgami3152]

TheMegaUzumaki he didn’t know that

[@HybridSpektar]

Connor is still young. There is much he doesn't understand

[@nehh_aksat]

It's true because he was an idealist

[@H.K.5]

@@HybridSpektar He also grew up in a Native American tribe so he was sheltered from the real world.

[@Krovos_]

Connor's fault was thinking that the people he was fighting for were pure like him.

[@erdsadadasda7766]

Best Templars in the franchise.

[@javierwinn405]

@TheMegaUzumaki well I like the fictional templars like Elise,shay,haytham and berg. I'm glad to kill the rest of the templars that are based on real life assholes like the borgias and Charles lee. I also like some assassins like connor,evie,adawale,edward,kassandra ,ezio,altiar and aveline. And the American brotherhood is better with connor as the leader then Achilles.

[@javierwinn405]

@TheMegaUzumaki you also seem to take the ac franchise too seriously. I mean you cant make people change minds about liking the templars.

[@naimishtiakahmed9221]

AC1, Bloodlines, Revelations?

[@animesh_syrup]

AC 3 is undoubtedly a masterpiece at its story and characterizations and leaves you in a dilemma between the templar and assasin ideologies

[@revolverocelot1380]

@TheMegaUzumaki The templars and assassins, none of them are the "good guys". Just as in real life. Both were always trying to do the right thing.

[@TheJayTex]

All other Templars: “Principle, better world, blah blah.” Hickey: “Bitches and money friend.”

[@vincent-lm8sv]

Imao Hickey is a G 😂😂. He understand life.

[@aleksandarvil5718]

​​@@vincent-lm8sv *Don't forget ale 🍻🍻 !!!* 😂😂😂

[@drontesmakor1983]

Everyone: *deep reasoning and beliefs behind their ideals for why they did the things they did, so righteously believing in their cause.* Hickey: I made bank!

[@scentsoftravelmeditation]

The details on Hickey’s face are amazing, he has tears in his eyes which indicates sadness for dying earlier than he would have liked, yet there is an expression on his face which says that he knew he wasn’t morally correct but he did what was more profitable. At least he was honest with himself

[@collinsagyeman6131]

"Better we hold the strings than another" "No, the strings should be severed. All should be free!!!!"

[@Bison257]

When everyone is tangled in strings and lying prone, no one is?

[@xxxjust_chrislol7133]

“And we should live on forever in castles on the sky. You wield your blade like a man, but your mouth like a child and more will die now….because of that…”

[@icheko2498]

I like that they started to portray the other side of this eternal conflict. In the end the Templars were right, the natives were betrayed, and in this world there would never be a situation whem someone isnt behind the strings. They can't be destroyed, just changed hands.

[@PyatPree88]

They could have ended it

[@최재혁-i8k]

best templars in the series

[@martingeld]

+TheMegaUzumaki just because someone says a caracter is well written doesn't immediately make them templar fanatics. words hold power so watch them carefully before you post a comment like that

[@chowdercat1776]

Haytham and Shay are the best… in my opinion.

[@bekanbb9876]

i agree with you,they are the best

[@ZEKTOR]

Best templars were in Ac 1,their speech was just amazing

[@skylermaves7272]

I agree they're the best. However, I think since this game the Templars got more noble in their cause with the exception of half of Unity's and half of Syndicate's.

[@bugs2814]

Haytham Kenway is pretty cool. He didn't even ask for forgiveness, didn't weep for what might've been for the three of them, simply said he was proud of his son, one way or another.

[@julesgch3976]

I miss that kind of narration and cinematic aspect from the old games, they made compelling dramatic stories, now dialogue choice makes it impossible

[@kensebego199]

Yea dialogue choice really sucks cause it makes it hard to feel any sort of emotional impact or anything really.

[@JacOfArts]

Dialogue choices are okay when designing a game if it’s handled well, but everything in Assassin’s Creed is said to be a series of events that happened in the past. It was to tell a story (of the past) first, be a game second. Ubisoft can just create a new franchise now, they’re straying so far away from what Assassin’s Creed (and Prince of Persia, for that matter) were meant to be that they might as well just be a new series.

[@bryanbrayn9226]

"As i am the type of man that likes to have a beer in my hand and a Tih-ee in the other" - Thomas Hickey

[@bcfb21]

Connor is what shay would have been if he hadn’t defected. Or given the order of releases shay is what Connor would have been if he joined the templars. They’re both probably the most single minded brutal characters in the series

[@jadonmiller9942]

This game easily has the best villains in the series, especially Haytham and Charles Lee :P

[@mysticmadman.9930]

+Emerald Alien Well there isn't really a good or bad side

[@infinitehardcorecombatgami3152]

MYSTICMADMAN. I don’t consider haytham to be all bad

[@Simplysec52]

@@infinitehardcorecombatgami3152 dude murdered three soldiers for no reason lmaooo

[@suhebmalek1890]

@@Simplysec52 ... i mean. Everyone has done something wring u know.. and maybe those sokdiers had murdered innocent children too who knows?.

[@Dennis-nc3vw]

I felt Charles Lee was the only fail character. His villainy felt way too forced. The rest were awesome.

[@nativejoker1323]

I love how he talks to them in his language after they pass. It makes more personal. And the members of the new colonial brotherhood had potential. Wish they had a bit more screentime. Anyway I just love Connor too, he's determined, and is just badass Alla round.

[@upanddowntwice1]

That final base drop after they die is so fitting, it really makes you connect that these characters are dead, and makes their death seem like more than just a typical video game characters death

[@ThatGUY666666]

Without a doubt AC III was not perfect (it was rushed in my opinion) but in this area it far surpassed AC II and IV. These memories really helped drive home the message that these weren't nameless faceless mooks we've undoubtedly killed in the thousands but human beings. With the exception of Hickey they were all well intentioned, misguided but well meaning none the less. Even Hickey wasn't entirely devoid of virtue, he seemed to feel sorry for Connor as he muttered his last words in spite of the fact that Connor had inflicted the fatal wound. Realistic? No. Epic? Yes. Full props to the voice actors and the writers they did a fantastic job.

[@jhintentionalfeed916]

I really don't think there is a clear good side and bad side in Assassins Creed. Yes the Assassins want true freedom which is good but the Templars make a fair point in saying that people would abuse this freedom and chaos would ensue. In a perfect the world, the Assassins would be automatically right. Still, the Templars think that they are the answer to the world's problems and that if they ruled all would be well when we know they would be corrupt leaders.

[@ThatGUY666666]

Sylar You can make the argument that both the assassins and the templars are little more than well intentioned fanatics dedicated to opposing principals (freedom and order respectively) to the exclusion of just about everything else. On the one hand the templars seek to promote order in civilization to create peace but they in turn create tyranny and despotism. On the other hand the assassin's prize freedom above all else which leads in many cases to more and far worse problems than their actions solved in the resulting chaos. Neither conept is "evil" in of itself but when taken to such extremes they cause great harm. On a particularly cruel note Connor's actions helped birth the nation that would become the United States and helped the colonists throw off the shackles of colonial rule. The very same nation ultimately forced his mother's people off of their land and would later carry out an almost complete genocide of the Native American population as a whole a century later. Though to be fair to my country it's highly unlikely that they would have faired much better if at all had the British won the war.

[@nfoster9758]

Now now. Personal happiness is a wonderful intention. That's why Hickey's mah boy!

[@PedroVieira-jv2ef]

On memory corridors aspect, ACII is the worst.

[@PedroVieira-jv2ef]

Francesco de Pazzi's last words Ezio: Now Firenze will judge you for your crimes. Francesco: It's over, it's all over. Ezio: Ten minute long requiescat in pace ceremony. Seriously, it becomes increasingly annoying through the game as you kill your target, you already expect one whisper from the target and a 10 minute long requiescat in pace ceremony.

[@Artaxian_Debacle]

John Pitcairn’s death was probably the most philosophically significant moment in the AC series

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

Assassin's Creed III will forever hold a special place in my heart. That year of 2012 was an important one for me. I was fourteen, going through High School and a lot of miserable things with my family due to my parents getting divorced. This game was one of the things I remember being such a wonderful thing.

[@kreigguardsman3355]

AC3 was one of the first games I got after moving in with my dad it was nice distraction after some personal troubles

[@RZmovement]

Connor Animations in those memories are top quality his eyes and body movement...wow. Best speeches in the series combined with music...

[@nathanaeld.striker7191]

I find it interesting that Lee and Connor share one last drink before Lee's death.

[@farbodpirouz9458]

I love how each of the Templars Are Mirror if Connor himself or an aspect of his story arc. His Childhood friend for instance, was his connection to his people, and his siding with the Americans cost him that.

[@sleepingdj8609]

8:40 that unfitting voice acting lmao

[@xshoota6954]

im dead 😂😂😂😂

[@benedictjoelvillarojo4024]

The fucker spoke like hes reporting to his superior

[@mccringleberry5838]

"We've lost a command post"

[@crimson1million]

@@mccringleberry5838 we’ve gained a command post.

[@mccringleberry5838]

@@crimson1million That Star Wars Battlefront 2 PTSD 😂

[@HybridSpektar]

AC3 is probably the saddest. Connor knew too late that his actions were all for nothing.

[@scentsoftravelmeditation]

The dialogues and the story are so deep that you have to watch then a hundred times to understand them

[@sandrols7]

@4:50 Hickey: dude, calm down, one question at the time, I'm dying, damnit!

[@halkras]

Connor is so stressed up to asks lots of questions to a foolish templar

[@justsomeguy2825]

These remind me of the Memory corridors in AC 1, where you had a few genuinely evil people, but most of them presented a man who genuinely wanted to accomplish a greater Good through his actions, and even caused conflict within Altair.

[@TheDumbSauceGuy]

1:09 "Bloody hell are you- AHHH"

[@darkdill]

Another thing: What's the music that plays during each corridor? The violins (if that's what they are) in them are REALLY good.

[@Halflight]

I believe the music is called "A bitter end" and is from the game's official ost

[@jcshepherd4760]

+Elia Moroes excuse me but what recording equipment do you use I'm starting out as a gaming KZbinr and would like to know what you use preferably

[@touficbalaa319]

Go to 12:32 and put subtitles/ closed captions on!

[@addi543]

I just love how Lee is basically like, “Fuck it!” and just lets Connor just stab him

[@GenshinLover283]

He basically realized that it's the end and just accepted it. Even shared a drink with Connor.

[@ashistoxic8447]

@TheLatiosnlatias02 Connor already knew the truth, George Washington admitted that it was he, not Lee, who burned the village down

[@ashistoxic8447]

@TheLatiosnlatias02 i mean it wouldn't matter since they're all already dead, plus Charles had no strength to speak, dude was bleeding out from a musket ball wound

[@Bison257]

Words weren’t necessary

[@elemental_master]

1:09 Bloody hell are you? 💀AHH🗡️

[@FrontlinePeace]

I always come back to watch Benjamin Church's speech, because it seems the most chillingly special to me. They talk back and forth about entitlements and righteousness, and in the end, it seems that Church has Connor dead to rights. He shows Connor how they do all the same things, how they all act the same way, and justify their actions as the right ones. "Think on that the next time you insist your work alone befits the greater good. Your enemy would beg to differ."

[@AdaChanDesu]

Have you played AC1? Altair was the first assassin to actually ponder upon what the people he's killed tried to achieve, and only in the later games they completely dropped that part and made your targets the run of the mill bad guys, with no character or doublesided motive :(

[@woodstock1ism]

IMO ACIII was the best in the series because it led up the first civilization 2 a perfect understanding and the story actually made the game question the players decision instead of making the templars clearly evil like it does in ACII

[@nehh_aksat]

I love how in this game nobody is truly right. Just different choice of methods. Masterpiece

[@Supperdude9]

What's interesting about AC3 was that it was marketed as highly patriotic, you're fighting in the revolutionary war and you're going to make a difference. Yet in the game you are constantly questioning the revolution, its people, and the methods of both sides. It's not so clear cut. In the end, a lot of people are dead and both you and the MC are left unfulfilled. That's war.

[@Bison257]

Only the dead know the end of war.

[@easternunit2009]

am I the only person who loves Hickey? I mean literally he just doesn’t give a shit. He just wants in for the money even in death.

[@JabamiLain]

I feel sorry he doesn't believe in anything. I don't know how to explain it, but I wished he could have met someone to make him believe in something. The frustrating part of this saga, is that while some of the targets definitely have it coming, you simply cut your way to resolution, like Haytham said. I hate that. It feels wrong and unfeeling.

[@elevatedgame3016]

"The order is born of realisation we require no creed ,No indoctrination from desperate old men all we need is the world be as it is , And this is why the Templars will never be destroyed" You can feel the pain of both father & son(generational curses) when the soundtrack of Haytham death plays, a vicious cycle he truly loved his son & his mother & wanted him to understand that they're two sides of the same coin. *May the father of understanding guide us* ⚔

[@Archangel251]

With the exception of Hickey, the Templars here seemed like wise, ambitious, and honorable men. In times of conflict, when a conflict involves ideologies or religions, we lose sight of the type of people our enemies (the believers of the opposite ideologies) actually are

[@bdd4556]

5:15 Connor my dude I think there's something wrong with your right leg

[@georgemakrov6174]

pitcairn speech is very right

[@SirSnipington]

George Makrov and William Johnson

[@scentsoftravelmeditation]

Not necessarily “right” because right or wrong is subjective in such cases but it was realistic for sure

[@williampressley1162]

Say that Benjamin Church's dialogue really hit me. I think for me his was the most deepest because it really defines how different the ideologies of the Templars and the assassins are but really that they both are trying to do for the greater good and Connor basically being to some extent really getting a lesson here to look at both of them like really look at them like it really is dialogue really gray Connor ideology a little bit really telling him like you really think that your cause is right fully like challenging it in a very good way

[@Miguelnumbers]

Recently replayed AC 3 on Ps3 again. And to this day it holds up pretty well, the graphics of the Memory corridors truly blew my mind, I was all like "Dude... is this really from 2012?" must be the trick with the shadows.

[@MrSoup-zs4rd]

The Levantine and American Templar Orders were the best represented in the Assassin's Creed games. All were human, dubious morals, sure - but people, with justifiable reasoning.

[@Bison257]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Don’t discount the faces people present to the world for their truer intentions.

[@Iris_n_Parti]

"Who the bloody hell are you?" **generic death sound**

[@scentsoftravelmeditation]

Legendary narrative The contrast between protagonists and the antagonists is subtle, yet realistic.

[@connorkotara1122]

Haytham Kenway- Grand Master Charles Lee- 2nd in command Benjamin Church- Logistics John Pitcairn- Mercanaries William Johnson- Land Thomas Hickey- Underworld

[@2ChainZsensai]

Liked the position except Pitcairn. Merc is hired gun and he is not. More like military strategist Thomas is the same merc and underworld

[@2ChainZsensai]

+ Nicholas Biddle - Naval Chief

[@Ifishbirds]

10:46 damn seeing Connor look sad hits harder than the belt

[@dotdot4701]

Pitcairn really was right in his speech.

[@imlivingunderyourbed7845]

@TheUzumakiSpiral I never interpreted his speech to be going against the British. The moment Connor asked why the Patriots should surrender instead of the British, Pitcairn said that they have already tried to negotiate with the British to leave the Patriots alone but failed. He then came to try and negotiate with the Patriots to see if they are gonna be more reasonable and he only attacked because the Patriots were resisting instead of throwing down their weapons which he has already asked multiple times. To him, it doesn't matter which side surrenders as long as there is no war.

[@ap2002-q2x]

Thumbs up if you still play this! I do

[@carlosalegria4776]

Adrian Pierdomenico One of the best assassin's creed games there is.

[@jugantarhazarika3100]

2020 still play the assassins creed 3

[@seikoyama8426]

From all the Templars of the AC franchise. The templars here has great intentions.

[@Sheenifier]

Oh crap! Was Biddle part of the Ship missions?! I finished the game without doing them and I don't remember him.

[@Halflight]

Yes. He's basically a bonus boss

[@1000rami1000]

I watched these death scenes for a couple of times because some of those words by the Templars really apply to any time in this world "the colonists are happy to trade when they need food or shelter or a bit of extra padding for their armies. But when the walls of the city constrict - when there's crops that need soil - when there's... when there's no enemy to fight - we'll see how kind the people are then." Any two groups fighting the same enemy at any time face the same situation especially if one group is superior to the other "You weild your blade like a man but your mouth like a child and more will die now because of that" if idiot minds gain skills and power that will happen "What IS principle anyway? Can ya bring it to the bank?" Although I disagree with that but it was a meaningful way to describe himself "There is no single path through life that is right and fair and does no harm" That's the strongest sentence in the game imo

[@1000rami1000]

TheMegaUzumaki I read an article of the best quotes in forsaken and didn't see much deeper quotes than these.. could you list your best in forsaken?

[@yobro7895]

The only assassins creed game of which i can remember all the templars names

[@Novelist1029]

Is it me or did Charles Lee go on to even look more like a villain as the game progressed?

[@kennyt4849]

I started the game liking him and ended up hating him after all the shit he pulled years after Haytham properly welcomes him into the Templar order

[@thegoodstuff6130]

Yes it shows, plus when you’re in any position of leadership that involves management of others and organisation, years down the line it will age you and the power Lee got corrupted him, you could see it in his eyes, drunk with power.

[@joer.g8568]

That Charles Lee Death scene after he ran away, always reminded me of when you're in an online video game, and someone shoots you or something and you take damage and run to hide, but they go out of their way to track you down, find you, and finish you off 😂

[@lanusax]

2:20 speaks the reality what natives went through lot of which we are not even aware

[@jaymann4964]

This is sum damn good dialogue

[@jordanj809]

Best in the series

[@nickroe1]

Those corridors are like a movie dude!

[@MugdhaMahdiShams]

they can't be skipped

[@Darkwolf523]

Always wonder why kill lee? Lee never attack Conor's people. Sure he's a Templar but let him live. Lee lost everything, including Haytham. Not sure what lee thought of shay but lee wouldn't start up the order again without Haytham.

[@Kenmiester2012]

+TheMegaUzumaki And tried to choke him when he was a child.

[@PedroVieira-jv2ef]

Lee caused the Boston massacre and attacked Connor's village in the beginning.

[@TheCarpyboi]

+Pedro Vieira Lee didnt attack the village you fool! It was Washington!!

[@PedroVieira-jv2ef]

Yeah I forgot about that, but he still attacked Connor.

[@rick7424]

Lee was still a monster who delighted in the suffering of others.

[@Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo]

This game has its flaws, but damn next to the first game, it has some of the best written Templars in the series

[@corverstone]

This game was the only one in the series that really made me think. Are the assassins really the good guys? Are the templars really so wrong? These cutscenes really show these ideas. Plus you get to kill stuff in this game lmao Anyway, thanks for uploading this!!

[@Lesion411]

I know that the Templar Ship Captain was an extra but they could’ve made him sound like he was actually dying even if it was for 30 seconds

[@DoomReaper115]

@Joe shmoe I felt the same way about the Templar death scenes in Assassin's Creed 1. I've gone back and rewatched many of them countless times, they're all extremely well written and the voice acting is amazing. They really help lock down the whole conflict between the Templar and Assassins in a simple yet extremely effective way where there is nothing to say or do but hear two men argue with one another over the nature of their philosophical beliefs against an all white background.

[@Apex-Racing26]

I think Haytham’s death was the saddest because he was connors dad so it made it sad.

[@johni.1037]

I feel as though these Templars had more......conviction in their pursuits for what they were doing during the revolutionary war, but I always remember they were still looking to gain access to the first civilization storehouse and do away with humanity. I love all the sequences but most of all are Pitcairn's and Church's......Pitcairn's death was so moving as he claimed he only wanted to prevent a war rather prolong it and Church did betray the colonials but he felt as though the British should stay in control since they maintained for quite a while and did their best until the rough times came in and they started being unfair. All in all, Johnson's claim was the only truthful one, colonials did expand westward and they pushed the native Americans further west taking away their lands. Lastly, the ost "A Bitter Truth" is amazing and I hope they don't through out the idea for moving music in future games when there's a death sequence.

[@AA-jp9cj]

2:27 sad but true... and so they did

[@funtime_arno]

Haytham's death and what he says to Connor before he dies is emotional ;-;

[@dogeofdojima3813]

This is the only game my dad tolerates me playing and hes pretty against games. I guess he likes how accurate the locations are depxited

[@PoorManatee6197]

9:12 didnt expect a zombie screamer here

[@JayD965]

Thomas Hickey seems to be the most realistic one while everyone else to seems to stuck up their own assess lol.

[@AgentFTW1]

Just because he's more shallow than the rest and doesn't believe in the cause does not make him more realistic. Makes him flat.

[@unknown0soldier]

Kinda strange that almost nobody talked about the scene in which Connor kills his child-hood friend... That moment was so sad

[@animesh_syrup]

Really love the part where Lee and Connor share a drink, Lee doesn't care about his life anyway Dies peacefully of all the Templars

[@makotiz5980]

They haven’t been able to make a set of templates like this in any ac hand to date