Assassin's Creed Lucy's Truth

[@aminbenatia8230]

In fact, Lucy was killed because Kristen Bell asked for royalties that Ubisoft didn’t want to pay. That’s way the betrayal thing looked so confused and improvised. She was supposed to continue until the end of Desmond’s story.

[@NyaraiEverstar]

So sad.

[@mkaplan1383]

They killed off Anna.

[@EvilPanda007]

Lucy was a traitor to the Order and that's why Desmond was forced to kill her.

[@xbladeviews2205]

Evil Wolf but she wouldn’t have had to be a traitor if it wasn’t for here request

[@NichtNameee]

I know, right? That's why her death was so abruptly. In AC2 nothing indicated that she was a spy. It would have been a very interesting lovestory and a interesting addition to the Desnonds/Ezio saga if their relationship would've grown stronger over the time. What a shame

[@TheYouberry]

Maaan Assassins creed used to be soo freaking beautiful!! The story and the characters used to be interesting. I miss the good old days.

[@meandyou1993]

Ikr,I haven't really played anything since black flag, the newer assassin's Creed games just abandoned the whole original modern day story line

[@theogshaz]

Worst of all was the change in game mechanics, the game used to be about parkour ,stealth, how well each weapon works,how you can use the environment to your advantage nowadays its oh you need to be level 20 to assassinate this guy, tried to assassinate someone from a bush who has a higher level then you only a quarter of his health will be taken, I'm like I stabbed the guys jaw he shouldnt be able to stand

[@erinlaboricua]

@@theogshaz I'm on Revelations right now, combing through the games for the first time and I've been enjoying every moment. I don't think I'll dislike the future games as much as other fans have, but I've heard of the change in controls and this comment made me laugh really hard, so thank you 🙏😂

[@arthurmorgan9894]

Now we go from stealthy to berserkers? Fuck vikings man

[@ShreksCousin]

Ikr can’t wait to play as a Viking because we all know how stealthy they were

[@kingdomheartslover3249]

Does ubisoft even remember this plotline and how good it was?

[@raiden1999]

no

[@TheVictor01ify]

no, the ones that write the first games, don't even work there anymore, it's really sad, that they finished the game in a comic book.

[@danielreid703]

@@TheVictor01ify did the original writers want to keep all the secrets of the story going revelations was amazing but there was a very very very bad thing it did it showed and told you everything the original writers should have kept creating assassin's creed stories that way everything would have been connected and planned out so it would have made sense which means they would have successfully made the fan base happy and their expectations to how amazing the story could have been would have become a reality I think assassin's creed 1 is the best and Altair is the best character they could have shown and told all the secrets of the story in the final game which could have been amazing

[@NichtNameee]

It was stupid to kill Lucy of. Nothing indicated that Lucy was a spy.

[@NichtNameee]

@What ?Ubisoft payed Kristen Bell not well enaugh. So they ended the contract. That's why her death was so abrupt. a good written story for such a "plot twist" must be subtle enaugh to not be too obvious for the audience. In AC2 nothing indicated that she was a double agent. No foreshadowing, nothing! I hope you understand what i mean. It would have been a very interesting lovestory and an interesting addition to the Desnonds/Ezio saga if their relationship would've grown stronger over the time. What a shame.

[@fl333r]

They really fleshed out the relationship between Desmond and Lucy with their playful banter during the Montegneri mission. It really felt that they had something real. Something wholesome and true. How depressing.

[@rinraiden]

I do think that the chemistry between Lucy and Desmond was real. Like, she didn't really expect to get as close to him as she did. But she seemed like a dedicated member of the Order, so I bet she still had every intention of betraying him. She, unfortunately, needed to die.

[@dogestranding5047]

Monteriggioni

[@markomilo9580]

@@dogestranding5047Lucy was only killed because Kristen Bell asked for royalties that Ubisoft didn’t want to pay. That’s way the betrayal thing looked so confused and improvised. She was supposed to continue until the end of Desmond’s story. She became a more famous actress and they didn't wanna pay extra, so they killed her off.

[@aminbenatia8230]

@@markomilo9580 Well at time of AC1, Kristen Bell was already famous. She asked more money because AC had more success than expected (for AC1, there were 9M sales vs. 3M expected).

[@markomilo9580]

@@aminbenatia8230 oh wow that makes sense and puts things into perspective, fair enough!! regardless though the same horrible outcome occurred for us fans rip :/

[@leonecartelreborn9628]

I noticed that Juno says a line towards the end "Only she remains to be found" and 16 mentions something along the lines of "She, in Eden, find Eve". I just realized when Layla finds "the Reader" towards the end of that cutscene when she joins him, her and Desmond standing in front of the tree is kind of reminiscent of Adam and Eve. Could it be they're still following the plotline just in a way none of us were expecting ?

[@TheNamesBondJamesBondJames]

"there is one who would accompany you through the gate. She lies not within our sight" it has to be Layla, at the end of Valhalla, you meet Desmond (the Reader) & they both stay behind & close the gate. Also, the probable reason why the first civs couldn't find Layla could've been due to the fact she had the Staff of Hermes.

[@picassojulien899]

@@TheNamesBondJamesBondJames but Layla didn’t meet kassandra at that point

[@TheNamesBondJamesBondJames]

@@picassojulien899 "she lies not within our sight. The cross darken the horizon." I realised that at the time Juno mentioned this, Layla was working with Abstergo. I was completely wrong about the staff of Hermes lol.

[@showmetheway2]

Darby is... but not in the original way it was planned.But he is bringing a lot of the plot back, that's why it's so difficult for new players to grasp.

[@showmetheway2]

Born from our loins as well as the enemy- The asgardians vs the council(Juno,Minerva, Jupiter)

[@bunsonbaker4156]

Everything indicated that Lucy would carry out her treachery to the letter (she was a true believer it seemed) but I still liked her as a character even after I found out the extent of her betrayal and crimes against the assassins (esp Des and Clay). I don't know why but I still find it sad she her story turned out the way it did.

[@jqyhlmnp]

Bunson Baker like Arno and Elise

[@markomilo9580]

@@jqyhlmnp Lucy was only killed because Kristen Bell asked for royalties that Ubisoft didn’t want to pay. That’s way the betrayal thing looked so confused and improvised. She was supposed to continue until the end of Desmond’s story. She became a more famous actress and they didn't wanna pay extra, so they killed her off.

[@03lmanu]

@@markomilo9580 : Which is ironical when you see that Lucy doesn't really look like perfectly to Kristen Bell.

[@bethanydavis9023]

They could've gotten a different voice actor like they do with Desmond's face

[@Amikeur]

@@03lmanu In AC1 she really looked like her, but in AC2 they changed her face (as they changed Desmond's face in ACR to finally come back on Randez's face in AC3)

[@iveyyewitt1621]

Lucy broke my heart. Only thing worse in the modern story than her betrayal and death is Desmond dying like he did and then getting experimented on.

[@Ratzmoonmopes]

Lucy's Ideology: This is something the writers and developers SHOULD have included in story of The Lost Archive, but for some reason failed to include so I had to fill in the gaps myself: Lucy's perspective makes perfect sense if you know it like I do and think about it logically. Lucy truly understands and believes that Abstergo actually cares about helping people and improving their lives and that the Assassins don't. Think about the ratio of how many percentage of people are helped vs hurt by Abstergo. Of course the Templars logically and justifiably defend themselves against the Assassins out of pure self-defense and self-preservstion, but think about the amount of regular NON-ASSASSIN people they kidnap and expirament on and kill. That number is probably very small compared to the extremely large number of average joe people in society who are never bothered and non-the-wiser. It's just like in FNAF how the amount of people killed by Animatronics is so much fewer than the large number of people that go to the pizzeria everyday and have a normal experience no issues. Abstergo makes thousands of products and medicines and machines that improve people's lives and make everyone's lives easier and more safe and peaceful. She understands that the Assassins are bad because they DON'T actually fight for any greater purpose or benefit to people, they don't care about advancing science and creating medicine and providing technology the way the Templars do. The Assassins don't build companies or establish militaries or create security systems or engage in formal politics. Lucy understands that the Templars are much more like good normal people and the Assassins are truly just insane barbaric anarchists that don't have any goals of improving the world or making people's lives better. The Assassins just kill people that disagree with their Creed and that's it, nothing else. She sees that Abstergo actually fights to improve society and make the world a better place for the masses. This shows the Templar philosophy at it's purest and morally best perspective. The story is really good at constantly going back and forth between showing the good and bad sides of both the Assasins and Templars. They often like to protray the Assassins as the good guys and Templars as bad guys, but I love when they switch it up and show the kind of perspective that really protrays the good side of the Templar's and the bad side of the Assassin's. I love this story so much.

[@teleportingpotatoe]

@@Ratzmoonmopeshave you played AC Rogue? I havent, but you play a defect templar/assasin idk and it sounds intetesting

[@str04]

I love Lucy...

[@ghonnh20]

​@@Ratzmoonmopes dude you're just spitting Templar propaganda lol

[@LucianLusilver]

What 16 said about "your son" and what we discovered in syndicate, confirms Desmond's son

[@KaijuFanatics]

Paul Nguyen hmm maybe he says his son is too weak to train or handle the things Desmond does but like I believe Desmond's son was supposed to go on this journey not Desmond

[@mr.dystopian5554]

Desmod's son is a Sage, so that's probably what Clay meant by being weak.

[@KatieT97]

Mr. Dystopian not to mention he's ten years old in Syndicate

[@nevtakastudio9697]

Paul Nguyen not really it was someones elses son

[@yutro213]

Yes, but with the messy way modern day's storyline has been handled, I think it was an afterthought, a loose end, just like the woman Desmond had to find in Eden ("she was the key"), which never happened thanks to AC3.

[@odudi]

After Lucy was killed i started losing intrest in the story but was hopeing that they would find a way to bring her back. But when Desmond died i totaly lost intrest in the series. I only played black flag and origins because a friend bought it for me. I just consider the series a decent action game with a silly modern sifi story thrown in now and then.

[@ternet1859]

Assassins Creed died after AC3. Should have let Desmond & Lucy live and develop the present day and historical connections around them. As far as I know, Lucy was only killed because the voice actor realised the potencial continuation and wanted more money - so her character was killed off and she kicked out.

[@cuh2433]

Desmond story makes us want to know what's gonna happen next, although Desmond is already gone in 4 I still liked it because Edwards story hook me up just like what Desmond did

[@ZephyrGhost]

Upon my research Lucy would be still alive until Desmond's death but Lucy's V.A demanded to become a royalty because of her game appearances and Ubisoft didn't liked that so they fired her.

[@tjjordan4207]

I'm not against the idea of Lucy being revealed as a traitor, as it actually explains a certain number of things. The biggest being that Abstergo was slow in finding our heroes in AC2 and only sending men after them without guns. Not to mention that the escape from Abstergo at the beginning of AC2 always felt a little too easy. But the problem with her betrayal is that it wasn't done well or allowed to be revealed naturally. For those who didn't have access to the DLC material in Revelations, the only time the main story ever reveals Lucy's betrayal is in Assassin's Creed 3 and even then, it's done terribly. Desmond just says it and goes on an exposition dump about why he killed Lucy. Revelations should have revealed her betrayal and dived into it, by focusing more on Desmond trying to come to terms with it and hearing the voices of his father, Rebecca, and Shaun talking about it. It's an interesting idea to do with Lucy but killing her off only makes it feel irrelevant, especially with how little focus it gets when it comes to Desmond and the others. I understand that Kristen Bell was asking for more money but they could have changed her appearance through some explanation like one of the Pieces of Eden reshaping her or just changing her physical appearance for the sake of keeping her character. But if they were serious about killing her off, then the needed to do her betrayal reveal far better.

[@jeanoltt]

Also, there is no reaction at all from Shawn and Rebecca, and just replaced her for Desmond's father which is a really bland and uninteresting character. It's the worst part of an otherwise amazing game.

[@Pellude]

We have Kirsten bell to thank for that.

[@chibble3591]

When I was younger I interpreted Desmond saying “no” as don’t make me do this but now I see that it was a moment of disbelief that Lucy would betray them.

[@aleksandarnikolov3182]

Yeah, he explains that in AC3. That Juno did not force him to kill her, he did it himself

[@Ratzmoonmopes]

Lucy's Ideology: This is something the writers and developers SHOULD have included in story of The Lost Archive, but for some reason failed to include so I had to fill in the gaps myself: Lucy's perspective makes perfect sense if you know it like I do and think about it logically. Lucy truly understands and believes that Abstergo actually cares about helping people and improving their lives and that the Assassins don't. Think about the ratio of how many percentage of people are helped vs hurt by Abstergo. Of course the Templars logically and justifiably defend themselves against the Assassins out of pure self-defense and self-preservstion, but think about the amount of regular NON-ASSASSIN people they kidnap and expirament on and kill. That number is probably very small compared to the extremely large number of average joe people in society who are never bothered and non-the-wiser. It's just like in FNAF how the amount of people killed by Animatronics is so much fewer than the large number of people that go to the pizzeria everyday and have a normal experience no issues. Abstergo makes thousands of products and medicines and machines that improve people's lives and make everyone's lives easier and more safe and peaceful. She understands that the Assassins are bad because they DON'T actually fight for any greater purpose or benefit to people, they don't care about advancing science and creating medicine and providing technology the way the Templars do. The Assassins don't build companies or establish militaries or create security systems or engage in formal politics. Lucy understands that the Templars are much more like good normal people and the Assassins are truly just insane barbaric anarchists that don't have any goals of improving the world or making people's lives better. The Assassins just kill people that disagree with their Creed and that's it, nothing else. She sees that Abstergo actually fights to improve society and make the world a better place for the masses. This shows the Templar philosophy at it's purest and morally best perspective. The story is really good at constantly going back and forth between showing the good and bad sides of both the Assasins and Templars. They often like to protray the Assassins as the good guys and Templars as bad guys, but I love when they switch it up and show the kind of perspective that really protrays the good side of the Templar's and the bad side of the Assassin's. I love this story so much.

[@laithaljibat4108]

well both sides need the other to exist in order to keep everything balanced, however we play as assassins and tend to look at them as the good people because the thing that people cant stand and fear is to be controlled, im new to the franchise (currently on ac 3) so idk how complex the story gets later, but im looking forward to explore it

[@pjsmith97]

@@laithaljibat4108 No spoilers, but AC3 and on is pretty much where the writers start playing with the framing of Assassin's and Templars as 'good vs bad' *From here on, allusions to SPOILERS for the future games including and after 3* I will say though, none really go into the amount of detail that OP goes into, which is disappointing. Because I can totally see Lucy having that perspective and rationalizing that. The only game we primarily play as a Templar failed IMO to justify why our character would be a Templar. We're given a reason to fight against Assassins, but not to join the Templar Order, as their motives and methods at the time directly conflicted with the altruistic perspective the character apparently has. The rational OP gives Lucy, though, does make sense. Working at Abstergo she sees the scope of what they do. And being left on her own, undercover, she'd likely build resentment for the Assassins. We see how twisted the Creed can be in later games, Assassins working under the Creed but using it to justify their own close minded and selfish actions. You put the Creed up to scrutiny and you can poke holes in it easily. The same with Templars, and we always see the evils their tenets allow. But to someone like Lucy, if her goal is just to help people, not so much ensure their free will, you can see how Abstergo and by extension the Templars would look like a better option.

[@davidschmitt2190]

The Thing with Lucy is, that Vidic threatened her, she had a very close friend at Abstergo, Leila Marino, who dies 2007 under very suspicious circumstances, Lucy wanted to investigate the death of her friend but was told by Vidic that she killed herself but warned her that if she dont drop the subject, she would end the same like Leila. With this in mind and the knowledge that almost every employee at Abstergo could vanish or die if he ever rebels against Abstergo, i dont think that Lucy had a chance in the first game. Clay found out about her betrayal and she knew it and talked about it with him, she could easily told Vidic about him beeing an assassin but she didnt and protected him further. Together with all the brainwashing from Abstergo and the Isolation from pretty much anyone outside Abstergo and having no Friends expect other Employees at Abstergo its make sense that someone which studies were rejected by her mentors and was nearly killed by Abstergo and then saved by Vidic would feel torn inside and became greatful for everything Vidic had done for her, he represented pretty much every good thing in Abstergo. Her betrayal was sad but i dont know, if Abstergo and Vidic really had so much gain from it.

[@zackg4682]

lucy was a double agent.she was a templar, and an assassin, but was truly working for the templars.

[@markomilo9580]

Lucy was only killed because Kristen Bell asked for royalties that Ubisoft didn’t want to pay. That’s way the betrayal thing looked so confused and improvised. She was supposed to continue until the end of Desmond’s story. She became a more famous actress and they didn't wanna pay extra, so they killed her off. Truthfully she was meant to be an assassin and never a 'triple agent'.. her betrayal was all forced.

[@Ratzmoonmopes]

Lucy's Ideology: This is something the writers and developers SHOULD have included in story of The Lost Archive, but for some reason failed to include so I had to fill in the gaps myself: Lucy's perspective makes perfect sense if you know it like I do and think about it logically. Lucy truly understands and believes that Abstergo actually cares about helping people and improving their lives and that the Assassins don't. Think about the ratio of how many percentage of people are helped vs hurt by Abstergo. Of course the Templars logically and justifiably defend themselves against the Assassins out of pure self-defense and self-preservstion, but think about the amount of regular NON-ASSASSIN people they kidnap and expirament on and kill. That number is probably very small compared to the extremely large number of average joe people in society who are never bothered and non-the-wiser. It's just like in FNAF how the amount of people killed by Animatronics is so much fewer than the large number of people that go to the pizzeria everyday and have a normal experience no issues. Abstergo makes thousands of products and medicines and machines that improve people's lives and make everyone's lives easier and more safe and peaceful. She understands that the Assassins are bad because they DON'T actually fight for any greater purpose or benefit to people, they don't care about advancing science and creating medicine and providing technology the way the Templars do. The Assassins don't build companies or establish militaries or create security systems or engage in formal politics. Lucy understands that the Templars are much more like good normal people and the Assassins are truly just insane barbaric anarchists that don't have any goals of improving the world or making people's lives better. The Assassins just kill people that disagree with their Creed and that's it, nothing else. She sees that Abstergo actually fights to improve society and make the world a better place for the masses. This shows the Templar philosophy at it's purest and morally best perspective. The story is really good at constantly going back and forth between showing the good and bad sides of both the Assasins and Templars. They often like to protray the Assassins as the good guys and Templars as bad guys, but I love when they switch it up and show the kind of perspective that really protrays the good side of the Templar's and the bad side of the Assassin's. I love this story so much.

[@Ratzmoonmopes]

@@markomilo9580 Lucy's Ideology: This is something the writers and developers SHOULD have included in story of The Lost Archive, but for some reason failed to include so I had to fill in the gaps myself: Lucy's perspective makes perfect sense if you know it like I do and think about it logically. Lucy truly understands and believes that Abstergo actually cares about helping people and improving their lives and that the Assassins don't. Think about the ratio of how many percentage of people are helped vs hurt by Abstergo. Of course the Templars logically and justifiably defend themselves against the Assassins out of pure self-defense and self-preservstion, but think about the amount of regular NON-ASSASSIN people they kidnap and expirament on and kill. That number is probably very small compared to the extremely large number of average joe people in society who are never bothered and non-the-wiser. It's just like in FNAF how the amount of people killed by Animatronics is so much fewer than the large number of people that go to the pizzeria everyday and have a normal experience no issues. Abstergo makes thousands of products and medicines and machines that improve people's lives and make everyone's lives easier and more safe and peaceful. She understands that the Assassins are bad because they DON'T actually fight for any greater purpose or benefit to people, they don't care about advancing science and creating medicine and providing technology the way the Templars do. The Assassins don't build companies or establish militaries or create security systems or engage in formal politics. Lucy understands that the Templars are much more like good normal people and the Assassins are truly just insane barbaric anarchists that don't have any goals of improving the world or making people's lives better. The Assassins just kill people that disagree with their Creed and that's it, nothing else. She sees that Abstergo actually fights to improve society and make the world a better place for the masses. This shows the Templar philosophy at it's purest and morally best perspective. The story is really good at constantly going back and forth between showing the good and bad sides of both the Assasins and Templars. They often like to protray the Assassins as the good guys and Templars as bad guys, but I love when they switch it up and show the kind of perspective that really protrays the good side of the Templar's and the bad side of the Assassin's. I love this story so much.

[@unc54]

@@markomilo9580 Which is weird because Kristen Bell was kind of a big deal when they signed her on. She had just finished Veronica Mars and Ubisoft must have known that she would not be cheap.

[@erezben14]

If you played Valhalla then you should know that Desmond found his Eve 😭 Darby is a genius

[@joshualerat8296]

Who

[@ShalThuzar]

@@joshualerat8296 Layla

[@tessrimmel9436]

Imbedded? Is it really just a coincidence that right as that word was said, the next slide of the embryo came up on screen? I think when Vidic said "imbedded" he could have been referring to Lucy becoming pregnant. I am really on board with the idea that Project Siren was more than just an infiltration mission: if Abstergo wanted Desmond's DNA, sending Lucy to conceive a child by Desmond would benefit the Templars in the long run. Depending on what they wanted, they might not have even seen the baby to full term. Who knows. But the picture of the embryo combined with 16's "slip" and Desmond stabbing Lucy in her stomach/uterus might suggest that Luce was pregnant...on purpose. Even the First Civs were going on about their loins and the loins of their enemy or something in that respect. I know that's probably not what the writers intended...or maybe it was...but this whole thing really had the fandom going for a while! A lot of baby hints were dropped and plenty of shits were given. Desmond might've got lucky after all.

[@Rickiebobby1st]

Nah Desmond knocked up someone else.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

She asked for Royalties, she had it coming.

[@Chu8rock]

I always had the theory that Desmond and Rebecca would end up fucking.

[@mxrz5308]

Rickiebobby1st that is true in the comics it's said that the sage is desmond's son and in Unity that hey are keeping him in watch and it's also uniniwn who the mom is which is quite confusing

[@victorsrur134]

a son would contein less then 50% of desmond dna

[@TrevortheBatman]

We see what Vidic told Lucy, but not if she would actually follow through.

[@minihooperprod.8332]

@@KeviBx WAIT, YOU CALLED SOMEONE A SIMP 3 YEARS AGO

[@crazyskeever9966]

@@minihooperprod.8332 He’s a time traveler

[@КириллРусских-щ8н]

@@minihooperprod.8332 I think that this word existed a long time but have started be popular only 1-1,5 year ago...

[@the_wolt]

@@KeviBx lmao

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

Desmond knew she would follow through because the apple told him that she would. It can predict the future. its how Ezio knew that Cezire would break out of prison.

[@SkarletBloodthirsty]

I wanted to see Desmond's reaction after this...

[@lolamelola7352]

0:45 So all this time the Subject 16 was telling us about Layla, i mean, Eve?!

[@yp3776]

Nope that wasn’t even a thing until they fired the original creator after brotherhood

[@anirudhkidambi1244]

There's a theory floating about that it isn't subject sixteen, but it is the reader himself

[@blueflamsmage2179]

"that a phyrgian cap and a Masonic Eye " - Shaun Hastings

[@witherhoard5333]

The illuminati references in The series are literally everywhere. Honestly its probably there to hide them even more

[@LeoSanz7]

My God what a game. Submerged myself deep in it, made me forget the world. Can games please go back to being this deep? PUHHLEASE!!!

[@ethanfullerton1620]

Things can't stay the same forever

[@LeoSanz7]

@ethanfullerton1620 Oh shut the hell up!!!!! Booo hoooo!!! Thanks for ruining my sht!!! Ughh!!!!

[@TheAngryBadger3]

Yeah, she most likely would of stolen the apple had Juno not made Desmond stab her. Oh well, I think Desmond might of been able to convince her to stay, but we'll never know now.

[@theguy1458]

Funfact:Her death Actually Pretty Much Had nothing to do with her betrayal.Its because Ubisoft Didn't want to Pay Her VA,Kristen bell The royalties That She asked them.Lucy's Supposed to be An Assassin As whole&Not a Templar Double Agent.

[@ThatGuyKh1]

But would she have done it? I guess we may never know

[@HollowKing1798]

its from AC Revalations' DLC:The Lost Archive

[@rich4446]

THANK YOU

[@filipjecz]

Man, I really didn't mind this twist. It did made some amount of sense - Lucy was alone, the burden of being the mole overwhelmed her, the assassins in their hopes of getting a job done completely abandoned her... it's no wonder she flipped. But the way it was shown... come on, really? One single cutscene [actually not a cutscene, just a collection of photos tied together by a voiceover] and thats it? This had so potential to be a tragic story that Kirsten Bell [or hell, any other actress] would sell really well, this had potential to be something along the lines they've did with the glyphs in AC2 but this time they would be Lucy's leaving a trail of her memories in the Animus for Desmond to find and give him closure before his sacrifice. But... they did it the way it did. And it fucking sucks.

[@Ratzmoonmopes]

Lucy's Ideology: This is something the writers and developers SHOULD have included in story of The Lost Archive, but for some reason failed to include so I had to fill in the gaps myself: Lucy's perspective makes perfect sense if you know it like I do and think about it logically. Lucy truly understands and believes that Abstergo actually cares about helping people and improving their lives and that the Assassins don't. Think about the ratio of how many percentage of people are helped vs hurt by Abstergo. Of course the Templars logically and justifiably defend themselves against the Assassins out of pure self-defense and self-preservstion, but think about the amount of regular NON-ASSASSIN people they kidnap and expirament on and kill. That number is probably very small compared to the extremely large number of average joe people in society who are never bothered and non-the-wiser. It's just like in FNAF how the amount of people killed by Animatronics is so much fewer than the large number of people that go to the pizzeria everyday and have a normal experience no issues. Abstergo makes thousands of products and medicines and machines that improve people's lives and make everyone's lives easier and more safe and peaceful. She understands that the Assassins are bad because they DON'T actually fight for any greater purpose or benefit to people, they don't care about advancing science and creating medicine and providing technology the way the Templars do. The Assassins don't build companies or establish militaries or create security systems or engage in formal politics. Lucy understands that the Templars are much more like good normal people and the Assassins are truly just insane barbaric anarchists that don't have any goals of improving the world or making people's lives better. The Assassins just kill people that disagree with their Creed and that's it, nothing else. She sees that Abstergo actually fights to improve society and make the world a better place for the masses. This shows the Templar philosophy at it's purest and morally best perspective. The story is really good at constantly going back and forth between showing the good and bad sides of both the Assasins and Templars. They often like to protray the Assassins as the good guys and Templars as bad guys, but I love when they switch it up and show the kind of perspective that really protrays the good side of the Templar's and the bad side of the Assassin's. I love this story so much.

[@OneTwoMark]

I believe if Lucy wasn’t killed due to her relationship with Desmond would become conflicted and ultimately reveal her Templar plans and rejoin the Assassins. Juno’s plan was very crude.

[@Ratzmoonmopes]

Lucy's Ideology: This is something the writers and developers SHOULD have included in story of The Lost Archive, but for some reason failed to include so I had to fill in the gaps myself: Lucy's perspective makes perfect sense if you know it like I do and think about it logically. Lucy truly understands and believes that Abstergo actually cares about helping people and improving their lives and that the Assassins don't. Think about the ratio of how many percentage of people are helped vs hurt by Abstergo. Of course the Templars logically and justifiably defend themselves against the Assassins out of pure self-defense and self-preservstion, but think about the amount of regular NON-ASSASSIN people they kidnap and expirament on and kill. That number is probably very small compared to the extremely large number of average joe people in society who are never bothered and non-the-wiser. It's just like in FNAF how the amount of people killed by Animatronics is so much fewer than the large number of people that go to the pizzeria everyday and have a normal experience no issues. Abstergo makes thousands of products and medicines and machines that improve people's lives and make everyone's lives easier and more safe and peaceful. She understands that the Assassins are bad because they DON'T actually fight for any greater purpose or benefit to people, they don't care about advancing science and creating medicine and providing technology the way the Templars do. The Assassins don't build companies or establish militaries or create security systems or engage in formal politics. Lucy understands that the Templars are much more like good normal people and the Assassins are truly just insane barbaric anarchists that don't have any goals of improving the world or making people's lives better. The Assassins just kill people that disagree with their Creed and that's it, nothing else. She sees that Abstergo actually fights to improve society and make the world a better place for the masses. This shows the Templar philosophy at it's purest and morally best perspective. The story is really good at constantly going back and forth between showing the good and bad sides of both the Assasins and Templars. They often like to protray the Assassins as the good guys and Templars as bad guys, but I love when they switch it up and show the kind of perspective that really protrays the good side of the Templar's and the bad side of the Assassin's. I love this story so much.

[@HeiDidi92]

Lucy is the only templar I like! Would have been interesting to see what happen if Juno hadn't killed her :3

[@NathanWubs]

Aww you did not like Haytham?

[@luckdragon88]

+Heidi Andersen I agree. There was so much potential for her character.

[@TaigaXsenpai]

+luckdragon88 Templars are much more complex, they are not evil, they believe that humanity cannot be trusted with their freedom and they need to be put under control. We know from people like Stalin, Hitler, Mao who brought humanity near to exctinction that humanity cannot be trusted with their freedom. Because of that the order they want to establish could infact benefit humanity. They want to give humanity freedom they deserve not they want to.

[@TaigaXsenpai]

+Jacek K Assassins put too much faith in humanity and idea of freedom, beyond reason. They actions in fact could have brought more anarchy.

[@TaigaXsenpai]

+Jacek K i think the worst is Juno :P she believes her race to be superior to humans so she wants to become god of this world

[@mahditeymuri5650]

the guy who is appear in light shade is no one but same guy who guide desmond in ACR where Desmond was in Coma.

[@alexaurum913]

So Juno made Desmond kill Lucy because if he hadn't then Lucy would take the apple away from him, but Juno had to ensure that Desmond keeps the apple so he would be able to open the vault and stop the apocalypse and set her free?

[@lastixen]

No, i think the actor wanted to do some royalties Unisoft didn't want to pay so maybe that's why they kicked her off by Juno making desmond kill her

[@reinwolfs9407]

Their order is built on a realization

[@MrGman2007]

What game is that scene from that reveals Lucy with Viddick as a traitor? @1:27

[@Chu8rock]

MrGman07 Revelations. It's in Desmond's first person segemnts.

[@hisuianpitch]

@@Chu8rock Not Desmond's. It was Clay's in The Lost Archive DLC

[@janeshepard9549]

When you realize your crush was a traitor all along

[@lyonsja1]

"There is one who may accompany you through the gate. She lies not within our sight." This line doesn't get the discussion it merits. Okay, not Lucy obviously, so who? At the end of AC3 William, Shaun and Rebecca accompany Desmond through the gate, but that's three, not one, and once the key is located and the gate open, they didn't really do anything other than just walk behind Desmond. I guess you can argue that Shaun and Rebecca were needed for Desmond to find the key but I'm not convinced the writers ever had a plan for what to do with this. They built the plot up too big and didn't know where to go, this is a growing practice in modern science fiction.

[@jaygonzalez8309]

I think it's Layla actually. At the end of valhalla, The Reader (Desmond) and Layla meet at the Yggdrasil Tree, where the two continued to look through timelines. The writer for Valhalla is the same as the Ezio trilogy, so it wouldn't surprise me if this was always the plan. Or they just realized they could use Layla for that purpose.

[@xjnavx]

Assassin Creed died after Revelations it was never the same again.

[@TheRuggedEchinda]

The Desmond Saga is only time when the plot was actually good.

[@betorockmetal]

True

[@chosenfallen2024]

Lucy being a traitor never made sense. Then I heard about that the actress asked for royalties. Smh Then they killed Desmond and that really killed the story for me. Smh They just killed off his replacement, just as she was growing on me too. The modern day stories is why I played this series. They keep fkin up the story for me.

[@thedilimon2096]

Perfect example of how video game companies can ruin a characters love story with it being the potential to be one of the best. Even though I would have liked to see Desmond and Lucy finally get together, I would have preferred if Ezio actually got to have some sort of a happy ending by being with Christina. The man literally loses his 2 brothers and father within the first hour of the Trilogy... Other then Ezio not getting a decent ending it was a great Trilogy, but screwing up them 2 romances prevents me from saying it was perfect. The last 2 perfect games I played was Ghost of Tsushima & Days Gone. Both stories are excellent from start to finish.

[@noctsickversusTOBETOLD]

Check out assassin's creed embers, is the short movie of ezio final days in tuscany with his new family.

[@Chuckle_Balls]

Does Desmond have a son he doesn't know about then?

[@CarbonKrazie]

Im guessing that and I bet when we return to the present day assassins we will meet him, heres hoping hey!! P.s. your picture is my childhood!!

[@cosmemartinez5098]

maybe him and lucy did it

[@cosmemartinez5098]

Cosme Martinez or the other girl

[@bogosbinted8494]

Vidic was gonna use desmond's dna to impregnate Lucy for a new subject I guess. Which might explain why she was stabbed in the stomach.

[@Chuckle_Balls]

Reed Ibarra That's a bit far-fetched. Are there any hints at this?

[@kappy0405]

Clay saying its "too late to save them" is basically the same thing Minerva says in AC3, so his talk of "DNA" & "Eve" must've been warning Desmond about something Whey does Juno say "only she remains to be found" and "Go Alone!", neither of which ever happened in AC3? This doesn't make much sense, unless Desmond's consciousness is still alive somewhere & has yet to do those things.. to "find Eve"? If all this really is done & over with, Ubisoft really did a horrible job of wrapping it all up

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

kappy0405 Idiot they were referring to a modern descendant of eve other than Clay and Desmond. They talked about the descendant and how it could open the gate to Eden, meaning something in there could stop juno, however it is already too late as the Catastrophe distracted them from the threat of Juno. Just because you are stupid, doesn't mean it makes no sense. Besides they don't need Desmond for this task, they could continue the story without him and he is one of the most hated characters in the beginning. Go away moron, no one needs you here in a intellectual franchise.

[@thetroll5384]

The Rising Theurge shut the fuck up

[@Hazy18]

kappy0405 I think when clay says to find Eve in Eden he’s talking about the temple where Desmond dies in AC3. Its basically the remains of Eden from the first civ before the Toba catastrophe but I also think Minerva left something there to do with “Eve” maybe a cube with her preserved DNA like the ones found in the Observatory that Desmond was to relive and find something out but like Juno says in AC3 she threw the things Minerva left for them into the chasm in the temple before she ruined their plans. As stupid as it sounds, Eve’s conscience could actually have originally been in the temple but Juno took over it locked her away in The Grey like she says she was going to do to Desmond and Clay, when Desmond touches the orb and dies his mind may actually be being uploaded to The Grey. The part in AC Revelations where Clay holds onto Desmond before pushing him away while Animus Island is being destroyed and when Desmond wakes up and his arm has the blue glowing marks on it, Clay could actually have uploaded a fragment of himself to Desmond’s mind so he would be uploaded to The Grey with him, during his trips on the Animus Juno could have planned it all along with him through his ancestors and it’s strange that he already knows a lot of things even with him being in the Animus for so long, like how he says it’s too late and everything Desmond holds dear is already gone, could be a reference to him knowing what Juno has done to the temple he also already asks Desmond could he come with him when he wakes up, so it’s already possible for both of them to escape the island. I agree Ubisoft done a shitty job with Desmond’s story in AC3 but I still love the games

[@vantedante]

Desmond finds eve during the end of AC Valhalla

[@flamingmonkey7712]

It's funny whenever someone points out the logical conflicts or the bad points in the story writing, some people just describe the senseless story plot again and think that's the perfect answer. The question is not what the story told us of why Desmond kill Lucy because she's a spy, everybody knows what happens in the story. The problem is, they didn't have to made Lucy a spy when they could've just used another character, and continued her story with Desmond which would make the whole story way more intersting and make Desmond's death way more sad.

[@redxhand]

It still piss me off they killed off Lucy and suddenly turn her into a Damn templar. I really wonder if the story of the va asking more money from Ubisoft and in turn cuts her off really holds merits.

[@evanroldan9566]

Kristen Bell abandoned her role And became princess Anna Frozen was born when assassin's creed died

[@kieranbrfc_864]

I knew she was a Templar after I first completed ac2 I thought she was a bit suspicious

[@Pyrokatze]

It wasn't planned that way. At the end of the production of the game, the actress who played Lucy, wanted more money. Ubisoft decided to chance Lucy's storyline and let her die.

[@noctsickversusTOBETOLD]

Maybe she would've been a traitor only in ac 3. Some people says the she would've been there until the end of ac3

[@RicklessSanchez]

Juno was right. If Lucy betrayed her friends there no saving the world without Desmond they have to show him everything until 2012.

[@TheScarletWing2490]

I'm very confused of the present time storyline at this point with Desmond being gone. These scenes here indicate that there was still unfinished business. What's up with the "Find Eve" thing? I don't recall Desmond doing anything of the sort. The way Subject 16 said it made it sound like there was a way to bring Lucy, the real Lucy, back. He mentioned Desmond's son, and we know now that that's a thing... Somehow... The Sun part was obviously the apocalypse they prevented, but as far as I can tell the Eve thing was left in the air. I've had my theory about this for a while now, but something tells me that in the final Assassin's Creed game (whenever the hell that will be), somehow, someway, maybe by having all of the pieces of Eden together and those clone things we saw at the end of Syndicate, Desmond and Lucy (or at least Desmond) will somehow come back, even if only temporarily.

[@thebeastbrothers103]

John Wilson the real Lucy? What

[@ultimaluigi]

this game confused the shit out of me, assassins, templars, after playing this game for so long its not like the world has to be perfect, but obviously some order has to be kept, but also freedom, 50 50 in a way

[@victuz]

Based on what Altair preached to the brotherhood after gathering past and future knowledge, and in what Ezio explained to Sofia, the Assassins don't want anarchy, because anarchy isn't peace. The Assassins are guardians of the innocent, and also guardians of those who want to help said innocent folks, *but not by using* methods of suffering on them (like: coercion, lies, unproven apprehensions, persecutions, free violence, psychological torture etc) There's no peace in chaos as there's no peace in tyranny also. True peace is in knowing you are able to help innocent people without making them mentally suffer in the process.

[@ertuncdemirdag388]

Subject 16 was talking about Juno

[@danthunder5002]

Just as Altair's mate is a Templar turned to Assassin, Desmonds destined is an Assassin turn Templar.

[@toutlemondesalut]

What are you talking about ? That's not it ends for Desmonds at all.

[@cemeron112]

Requiescat in Pace

[@mahditeymuri5650]

worst decision Ubisoft evermade was killing Lucy And Then Death Of Desmond.

[@FateXO]

whyyy she was so fine

[@syedfaisal8541]

1:24 from which part is this scene from i don't remember seeing this cut scene

[@nestormelendez9005]

A dlc for revelations

[@BlankRami]

16 said "your son"... Desmond has a son! I hope Ubiturd doesn't mess up the story again...

[@noctsickversusTOBETOLD]

Chech it his name is elijah

[@drewharding]

It does feel sad that Ubisoft and Kristen had a falling out with one another that made them killed off her character because, I shipped Lucy and Desmond romance 100% all the way but still very tragic upset that, I now have to go through the sleeper agent part now but while it’s tragic unfortunately we lose Desmond to at least Shaun and Rebecca romance blossomed and there married with a baby on there way soon too if it’s a boy they will probably name him Desmond but if it’s a girl they’ll probably call her Lucy hopefully right fellow Assassin’s Creed fans if that’s alright to say please!

[@unc54]

The original ending for Assassin's Creed was supposed to be Desmond and Lucy taking the place of Adam and Eve. Of course that was before Desilets got kicked out and Ubisoft decided to turn Assassin's Creed into fast food gaming.

[@drewharding]

@@unc54 that’s useful to know thank you unc54 man, I so wish Lucy and Desmond romance could have blossomed then they could have had children of there own too but still sad Ubisoft never unfortunately gave in too it just like Elise and Arno, I love those 2 together so much too wish they could have become a family and children too but still Ubisoft didn’t agree with it either!

[@HassanKhan-ne3qx]

I was very sad to know that even she was a double agent but I like her as a desmond friend

[@ploob3007]

Was the video about lucys betrayal in brotherhood?

[@xdrastig_4207]

I miss when ac was a masterpiece.

[@ThomasOrnelas-k3k]

Yo i grieved her for years !!!

[@AndersHass]

Is that conversation with Lucy and Warren from Assassin's Creed Brotherhood?

[@Blackhawk211]

its from revelation's, the lost archive dlc

[@Tattletale97]

All of this because the game director got salty when Kristen Bell ask for a raise for the reappearance in forth game.

[@str04]

Lucy not a Templars!😢😢😢

[@IsmaelCiulla]

How do you get this?

[@logan_vsp6474]

It makes sense because how would abestergo find their base in ac 2 without Lucy telling them

[@Jesusofsuburbia-22]

Im still sad after her death

[@Nebozemlja12383]

CAN SAOMEBODY PLS SAY IF U CAN GET LAST CUTSCENES OR IS IT JUST FANMADE

[@L2theO24]

Where did u find that middle video

[@jediwizard5533]

Why does clay not explain this confusing moment in Assassin’s Creed Revelations, unless this was him from the future? Also is he talking about Layla her dna being the key because she’s the heir of memories.

[@LizzieOlsenbee13]

Traitor

[@yarpen26]

Don't you mean TR-8R?

[@mohammedjamal3992]

So Layla is Eve im assuming. She must be. Since Desmond(The Reader) and Layla are in the Gray now reading calculations

[@lpmmxvii7422]

Is this in revelations? I forgot how u see this

[@exotoxicekat4915]

Are people remembering the present segments right? When I first played ac, I used to dread the present day segments, it split up the story within the animus, a lot of the time and Desmond was incredibly uninteresting as a character

[@RandalfElVikingo]

In the first game and second game it was cool because it gave the player time to digest the story and the lore. But I agree, Desmond was a dumbass.

[@norseca542]

but that's vastly superioe to the schlock we got later on, remember BF and Rogue's modern day, yeah

[@unc54]

Desmond's story was always good. People just took it for granted because they didn't realize how important modern-day was to an Assassin's Creed game.

[@LordandsaverGarryBuecy]

what game was this in?

[@goldentengu6947]

Me when i had to kill lucy Me:no Me when i discovered lucy was a double agent Me:ok good thing i killed her

[@garrytalaroc]

this the most bullshit, unsatisfying ending ever. Her death was'nt even warned from the beginning. All she did was good. She was geniune towards Desmond and the team. And then the game had to make me look for an explanation in the internet, which makes me feel really stupid.

[@thataznzguygaming]

Fans needed answers why so Ubisoft pulled this one right out of their ass and said here you go

[@abnerefraimrosavidal5643]

The only thing I couldn't understanding is how, in hell, this game goes from THIS to what is today? What Ubisoft did to this beautifull game?

[@NP-ui3tr]

I was just outta college when AC2 came out. I played but didn’t Love AC1; however lol, almost everything about Assassins Creed II, Brotherhood, and Revelations are “perfect.” Of course nothin is really perfect but it’s as good as it gets for a video game. The storyline, the historical context & characters that they weave in beautifully (embellished/creatively inspired) as well as the story within the story itself (The Progenitor Civilization from deep in antiquity, Minerva, Juno, etc) They all use motifs & allegories whose inspiration come from archetypal “forces” found within the allegory & metaphor of our ancient wisdom teachings & texts. Along with the strangely common “knowledge” of the mysteries surrounding our ancient past…things like the Dogon knowing that Sirius was a binary star or the Vedic Cosmology that is within the margins of our current understanding of the universe…how’d they know that 2, 4, 6, 8, 10,000yrs ago. I mean 10,000 too bc that’s what the authors of Hamlets Mill suggest & they were two double PhDs from MIT…and Gobekli Tepe is dated to 9,600BCE or 11,600yrs ago & you don’t build such a massive monument w huge stones unless your society & culture is “perfect” Not surprisingly to me lol a lot of these historical “anomalies” are actually beginning to appear to be “The Truth” or at least a better explanation of what the fuck this all is We now know 12,800sh years ago something happened (comet, my opinion) that caused the catastrophe of all catastrophes, volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, fire & fuckin brimstone. Things are fucked for 1,500yrs or so. Then round about 11,000yrs ago is when “we” had the planet & continents & environments & ecosystems that we have today (until we fuck this all up) Art imitating life or life imitating art? Lol. Seriously tho, there is a philosophical/metaphysical aspect/element to these games bc of the story they used to tell it…and tho it’s polluted by the passage of time & the muddling of the church (sorry but true) this search for The Truth is not something we should ever give up on bc our own existence may rely upon it…

[@SavageMexicanBoi]

Where can I find this?

[@Jack-di1ho]

i think its a dlc

[@AsasinoManik]

What? I never played this part, in which game it was?

[@judysa2263]

Assassin creed brotherhood

[@AsasinoManik]

@@judysa2263 oh

[@AsasinoManik]

@@judysa2263 tHANKS

[@judysa2263]

AsAsinoMANIK you’re very welcome 😉

[@AsasinoManik]

@@judysa2263 I think I skipped the whole scene by mistake, but I remember the last scene when I killed her.

[@thedailyvibes4033]

My first impression about this game is Templars are under the catholic religion while Assassin's are the ones who opposes the pope and roman religion, and Assassins are the seekers of the truth. Just saying :)

[@kkkkkk9671]

I thought the assassin's we're Muslims cause there atires kind look similar to the ones Muslims wear

[@Silvia_Arienti]

The Templars are atheists. The Assassins don't have a specific religion (Altair: Islam, Ezio: Catholic Christianity, Connor: Mohawk religion, Edward: Anglican Protestant Christianity, Shay: Catholic Christianity, Arno: Catholic Christianity, Jacob and Evie: Anglican Protestant Christanity, Bayek: Ancient Egyptian religion, Kassandra: Ancient Greek religion)

[@ognjenmilosavljevic6829]

Can somebody explain what does 'awaken the sixth' mean?

[@lepo5893]

Ognjen Milosavljević I remember Juno saying that the first civilisation had six senses while humans only have 5. Humans don't know the sixth sense yet, I think that's what it means

[@superstrong1744]

I think the sixth is eagle vision

[@os_oz]

SuperStrong yep, eagle vision

[@DreadNawght]

why couldn't they make desmond stab shaun instead ? Lucy was a thicc love interest.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

DreadNawght Her voice actress, Kristen bell, asked for Royalties, so Patrice killed her.

[@the_wolt]

@@basilofgoodwishes4138 Patrice quit after ac2

[@JoeDirtisawsome]

Lucy wasnt thick at all. She was skinny as hell, you people ruined the word thicc.

[@DreadNawght]

@@JoeDirtisawsome ok bbw lover

[@jrad410]

You would think this would be in the main game

[@rickyyacine4818]

Find eve her dna ? Hmmm ac valhala anyone

[@CaptainDeliciousPants47]

So Lucy just like Shay. An Assassin turns to Templar

[@dragonmcmx]

She was working for the templars, but she fell in love with desmond so she was probably about to join the brotherhood. However, Juno did not know this, so she killed Lucy.

[@georgkroux8554]

I rly don't know how the story goes after the ezio death. All I see every year is better graphics

[@abdalmlkgamer6187]

Is this ac 2 or ac brotherhood?

[@sama2086]

Dude they 10000% should have recast her instead of this forced and out of nowhere plot twist imo

[@Kaicelona]

What does he mean by "your assassins should do the trick"?

[@Jack-di1ho]

get them the apple

[@myasinsh9910]

Wait wait 1:24 It Was In The Game ????😮😮 tell me I dont Remember .

[@jessk1683]

Did we ever find out who 'eve' is? I don't remember.

[@zied5862]

it is layla

[@RatedA4Awsome123]

@@zied5862 Woah foreal how do we know this I haven’t played this series in forever I’m replaying the whole thing right now, I was to young to understand before.😂

[@Nebozemlja12383]

What game is this?

[@MrsJasmyn45]

Well, good thing I never got close to Lucy. I feel very little for traitors

[@MrsJasmyn45]

Yeah, right. She betrayed them for what Vidic's desire with the apple. You're defending her actions and that's pathetic.

[@lolmasterlol]

Which assassins creed is this?

[@0MujaKina0]

Noooo! not Lucy! :(

[@DannCarrillo95]

I really miss the old Assassin's Creed (the mystery, characters, GOOD story), I grew up playing them and don't get me wrong, Odyssey and Valhalla are good games, but really bad AC. I really enjoyed them, but doesn't feel like AC anymore.

[@alibashiri9233]

I never knew this part. Seriously? 😲😲😲😲😲 I should play the game again

[@noctsickversusTOBETOLD]

It's dlc for revelations

[@noctsickversusTOBETOLD]

The lost archive

[@Upamanyu2000]

1:01 Elijah?

[@noctsickversusTOBETOLD]

Yes