ASSESSING LORI DAYBELL'S COURT MELTDOWN -

[@chickapeas5646]

My son is 9 and Autitic. He is non verbal and wears pullups. Looks a lot like JJ. He is the sweetest, most innocent gift from God. He is completely dependent on love and hugs. He truly needs little more in life. The Bible says, Blessed are the pure of heart for they will meet God. The world really lost a precious gift and the darkness of his killers is all that this world now has. Just so unbelievably sad. Heartbreaking what these animals have done!

[@selinaoakley3613]

Animals don't treat they're young like that. Demon's do

[@tealemon4693]

So beautifully said!

[@mtaylor7307]

My autistic grandson is a wonderful blessing to our family. He is age 7 in pullups too. We couldn't image life without him. Blessing to you and your family! ❤️

[@questioningcat7949]

the bible is also quoted in this trial used to justify killing, so maybe, let’s all stop using this book for our on devices and stop pretending there is a God. the whole point of this conversation is to introduce some dose of reality.

[@annehummingbird]

My autistic and deaf daughter is now 48, and she is my gift too

[@adoral.libertucci2647]

My theory was that the evidence was so compelling that she could no longer drive her narrative. She’s not in control. I thought that’s what she reacted to. So glad she didn’t get her way but that’s why she pouted the rest of the day. Kudos Judge Boyce.

[@whiteraven69]

Her dirty work has been brought out in the light of day. Everyone sees what she has done ..she can’t run and she can’t hide. What a narcissist personality despises the most… She will twist this in her mind .

[@joanteasdale2991]

I think she was playing a game the whole time because she wanted people to think she's mentally fragile and this incompetence a thing where she was put in a hospital for how many months I think that was a game I really do so that she completely incompetent fool the whole thing and when they were showing these pictures of the autopsies and so forth I think she was playing another game pretending she just couldn't face it I think it's all strategically planned she was interested she definitely was in on it and maybe Alex and Chad did the deed but she was in on the planning all this stuff so no forgiveness there no

[@seelee3376]

I'm thinking when they said Zulema was Raped body dismembered, maybe somthing to do W Kylee

[@JournalForYourLife]

100% about control

[@gingerharmon3674]

Exactly! And she didn’t want to be there, cuz she didn’t want to see what SHE HAD DONE!

[@hope46sf]

A year or so later... watching this and listening to your excellent input!! Thank you both!! ❤ So interesting to watch this as Chad's trial is in process!

[@katelemon2750]

I think you should evaluate the family of origin. There is something weird about Lori regarding her father ( according to him ) as a spiritual master. Alex was obviously mentally ill, Lori and Alex had an incest type relationship , it seems there was sexual abuse in that family, Lori is clearly a full blown narcissist and maybe psychopath like her brother. Her looks were her currency and now she’s aging. This could have prompted her mid life crisis. 5 husbands reflects her inability to forge relationships and Charles was a provider that travelled away. I think she was incestuous mentally about Colby and he got married and that annoyed her. Tylee was a rival and had her life ahead of her. It’s like the evil queen in Snow White. She’s very very ill. As for Chad that’s another ill family of origin .

[@laurenmay2098]

She is mental challenged, probably sexual abused by father and brother. She is not a narcissist, she does used her charms and beauty because whoever abused her said she was special and sexuality play a lot as she grew up. She married at age 18, probably to leave her house. Think about it? I know many girls that did that to scape home. Some even went to be prostitutes to make money and support themselves just to not be home, drugs play a factor, alcohol. For Lori is her religious beliefs.

[@joannemurdock7899]

Who was Colby s Dad?.

[@LizStewart1442]

@@joannemurdock7899 William Lagioia, Lori's second husband, is the biological father. Joe Ryan, husband 3, was Lori's husband when Colby was a young child.

[@joannemurdock7899]

@@LizStewart1442 oh Thank you

[@hollyb7142]

Interesting food for thought.

[@KayLou209]

Lori’s emotions after Charles was shot were not right! She was angry when Tammy wasn’t shot. I think she cried during the patriarchal blessing from Chad for Alex. She does show emotions when they suit her. No crying for her children is cold. I am glad you visited this topic because I posted on fb we need a shaking my head emoji. I am like Lauren, her not wanting to be there on Tuesday, was because of her actions. She is selfish. Strangers had tears for her kids but not her! I re watched this as I came in at the end because earlier I was listening to the part two of Suzanne. Thank you again.

[@kateashby3066]

Yes narcissists (and sociopaths) can cry for themselves. Ruby franke also just proved this. Then there’s that Kristel chick who left her 16 month old baby in a pack n’ play and went on vacation for 11 days. Of course that chikd died, a horrific and slow death (she passed hours before her “mother” came home), and this chick cried in court but only when her parents begged the judge to go easy on her and not when the prosecution went into gruesome detail about what that baby went through.

[@gtaylor6937]

Dr. John is such a sweetheart! I love how willing he is to let emotions be there - whether it was that time his little boy told him how much he loved him, or feeling sadness over how JJ may have died. I wish more men were this accepting of their own emotions. In any case, Dr. John is a gift to the mental health community and the community at large.

[@tarajh]

Dr. John is indeed a very compassionate soul.

[@csilva3682]

The psychologist tries to understand mental illness and shows empathy towards Lori. To hear you talk, it is obvious Lori is a sociopath or even a psychopath. She is sick but not criminally insane. I think she used religious delusion as an excuse to justify killing her husband and her kids and to agree for Chad to kill his wife and to gaslight her own brother into doing the killing. She's not criminally insane, just evil. And dangerous to society. She'll hurt anyone who gets in her way.

[@candiceparr4174]

For money. She wanted to live on Kuala as a rich woman. I don't believe she thinks she's a goddess at all. She's just a greedy , malignant narcissist. None of this happened until Charles hit a rough spot financially. Then Joe died ( suspish) left Lori insurance. ( suspish) and then everyone started getting insured and killed

[@nwr7932]

She has shown most of the characteristics of a psychopath.

[@laurenmay2098]

I think she isn’t, I think she probably was abused as a child, I think Chad took it advantage of her being so needy. Chad is the psychopath, he, like Chris Watts are snakes waiting to someone like Lori to came along. Just because she is smiling that means nothing. Many people are medicated in court. Andrea Yates was a zombie in her trial, she was a nuts case. But she was tried at the time and condemned. Her case was reverse and she was in an institution, to this day she is there. Lori is one person very difficult to understand, but she is not all there. She believes Chads nonsense, sad to say it, but she did.

[@ixchelsmith3025]

yes, exactly. well said

[@babystepsgarden6162]

I believe she has killed (or caused to be killed) others.

[@V.Oakley]

I'm just glad the judge made her stay there and at least she had to listen to what happened to her beautiful childrens bodies. 😔

[@Catfluff521]

The judge’s only consideration with regard to her absence was the implications upon appeal.

[@ladydelahaye]

@@Catfluff521 true .Though to help V.Oakley with it ...she sure did .👊

[@sue1048]

She wasn't smiling and looking crazy? Lori just pouted cuz she couldn't get her way and the gaslighting ends she'll get over it

[@stacybraiker5243]

Amen💯

[@MissJensk1]

JJ was not her child.

[@palemooon]

Lori is one narcisstic piece of work, JJ was too much for her in this stage of her life, going through middle age crisis and searching for her gone youth and that is what got her here .. she cares for no one but Lori

[@bethbeaudoin6374]

Agree.

[@NikkiBornRight]

Yup

[@whiteraven69]

It’s all about Lori and her wants and needs .

[@joannemurdock7899]

​@@whiteraven69 and Chad's too

[@lisavandenhoven5672]

Especially after Tylee and Charles were gone. There was no one left to give the work to.

[@marianaeksteen4437]

Lori is faced for the first time with what actually happened to the children. It is easy to distance yourself from a situation if someone else did the job. These images will be with her. And even if she didn’t look - she still heard.

[@mtaylor7307]

True, although I believe she still believes herself a translated being that will not be held accountable for any action she deemed necessary. Accountable by God, I mean. She likely considers herself persecuted by mankind. A part of me hopes she gets clarity and realizes what she has done. The flip side is she considers all people various levels of dark and she descends into her madness.

[@eden_aumakua]

Malignant Narcissists don't really feel for the victims - nor face what they've done. They only feel for themselves. You're talking about her like she's a person with a conscience. She's NOT.

[@groovytuesday6883]

Interesting that it's the visual reality that has struck her. Talk about mind block

[@rosemaryhill8804]

Or she was acting!

[@wandalea9]

@@eden_aumakua Yes!

[@Momma-angela]

Dr. John, I sure hope you do reconnect with Colby and help him. I believe he truly needs someone to help him get through this.

[@thorkagemob1297]

Didnt he just recently get arrested for domestic assault too? I hope he gets the help he needs.

[@Momma-angela]

@@thorkagemob1297 Lauren & Dr. John spoke on that - and they said ALL charges were dropped.

[@kimbrown419]

​@@sarahallenhumboldt2638 also Colby was getting $$ from Tylee.

[@ChildofGod-g8f]

Yes. We have to have huge compassion for anybody whose lives were impacted by these people. The damage is simply too much to imagine.

[@Momma-angela]

@@ChildofGod-g8f yes, I agree!

[@bh1351]

I love the clarity that John always bring to this story. Thank you.

[@Baba_Wawa]

I just want to thank you guys. I’ve followed this since the beginning because Tylee & JJ captured our concerns & hearts. Since we’ve all come to know & love the family, especially Larry & Kay. As someone who’s experienced similar tragedy there are just no words. No words could define or describe the pain, the anger, the deep unwavering ache of loss only rivaled by the need for justice. My heart & prayers are with them & you all. There are parts of the trial that I had to turn away from & at that moment my heart went to the family all the more as they’re all facing it head on. Thank you to Lauren & Dr John for the many labors of love, empathy, kindness, & joining their fight for the truth & justice. You’ve helped their family & us by sharing not just a story but reality with grace & a genuineness we don’t find in the media anymore.

[@lane6216]

I don’t believe this woman is in denial for one second. She reminds me a lot of my mom. She did to her children what it took for her to free herself and get what she wanted. She is a fully selfish creature, and I hope she gets what she deserves and more.

[@ms.mojo_risin]

Yep. You Are On Point! We’re on the same page 🫶

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Understand

[@debdonner9404]

Agreed. I recognize my own mother in Lori's behavior and thank whomever that a guy like Chad didn't come along at some point because I think my mother would have gotten rid of us too. Lori is a fully selfish creature. Well said.

[@wkjeom]

I think you are so correct.

[@maureencaissy6075]

Thank you Dr. John. If Lori truly has narcissistic personality disorder then she left the scene a long time ago. She must have layers and layers of defences holding that psyche together. I can’t wait for Melanie P. to take the stand. What Chad and Lori have done is beyond horrendous. They were not alone. I hope that Melanie P. and others are also held accountable.

[@ninaschultz6922]

I keep wrecking my brain about the culpability of the others. I have such a bad gut feeling about their behaviour being criminal that I really hope for a trial in court in front of a jury to resolve this question for each and every one of them. How much did they know, where does their responsibility end, when were they victims and coerced themselves, are there crimes that they need to be held accountable for? Strong and urging questions to me, personally.

[@bcoull290]

What would be the reason for MP to take the stand for the prosecution?

[@maureencaissy6075]

She knew what was going on. Alex and Lori were her favourite people.

[@GlennaVan]

@@bcoull290 The attempted shooting of her first husband (and questions about the living arrangements when J.J. disappeared).

[@melaniemeadows102]

Portals are a hijacked form of astral projection. Chad taught her to believe she could be somewhere else. She left the courtroom in her mind.

[@ozzietad666]

Had zero choice. I don’t think she’s had to face reality or own her sh*tty behaviours for her whole life.

[@mtaylor7307]

​@@ozzietad666 she seemed to never stop running.

[@jerrimenard3092]

Your right about the astral projection part. The only difference would likely be the focal point to " get out" so to speak. Some people use visual cues, such as a sigil. Others have mantras or what a Western group may call Enns. She was not sleeping, she was out. Nobody was home. Could descriptions of her dead children have snapped her out of it for a moment? I would say yes. My guess is that JJ and Tylee we're sealed to her in the Temple. That's eternity and a big warning to her. Those kids are waiting for her. Technically, they could have been near her at that moment. She saw ghosts and could no longer hold her concentration. Good! She harmed children. That makes her ... Well, let's just say doing that attracts the attention of others on the same wavelength who don't like cowards.

[@mtaylor7307]

@@jerrimenard3092 I don't understand how Lori isn't having more trouble in jail. Cellmates says she dances during the night. I've heard that hair dressers have some clout behind bars and that is Lori's trade but damn...she's a child killer.

[@lisanadile4688]

I had the same reaction to the duct tape during the Casey Anthony trial when the the medical examiner said that the death was a homicide. Duct tape was on the baby’s face. She said there is no reason for such tape to be on the child’s face, except one.

[@wendybastings8817]

Dr John…I started rewatching Dexter this week and Episode 1 gives the perfect visual to match Lori’s meltdown with Judge Boyce’s ruling for her to stay in court. The first person on Dexter’s table was a child murderer and dexter had recovered the 3 victims buried bodies. The perpetrator was crying and squeezing his eyes shut. Decree said “Open your eyes and look at what you have done”. This was exactly what Lori was doing this past week in court.

[@janeen70]

I always hit the like button before I watch, so I don't forget! There's never any doubt on my part that I'm going to get anything other than top notch content from Dr. John & Lauren.😊

[@scmommy4539]

I do the same thing!

[@lisak5804]

Me too!

[@Miss_Attitude_70]

Dr Babe is too kind 😂 I think she believed if she was released because she was "so devastated" it might work with the jury for sympathy, she also wishes to control the narrative and her surroundings. She acts childish with folding arms etc.

[@sharontolbert1112]

I appreciate the time and humanity you two have in the analysis of these gut wrenching events. When I read that Lori had a meltdown in court I kept waiting for a Dr Babe explanation! Incredible job y’all are doing!

[@Veedub09]

I’ve been divorced, I’ve had 6 kids, I’ve had many ups and downs in my years stress why’s.. but I lost my daughter 4 years ago, just before jj and Tylee were found, and I’ve never gone down so fast or stayed down for so long… I hope that woman feels every bit of stress she feels.. she’s vile, I’d do anything to breath life back into my child. She is a demon.

[@leighkrady]

Same here. August 2, 2018, my daughter was murdered. She was 28. I will never be the same. And this monster isn't bothered a bit.

[@Soffity]

@@leighkrady oh my goodness, how awful. Do you know who killed her. Your life must be changed for ever. My mother died but wasn’t killed and that was hard enough.

[@donnamelton]

I think the Cox family has a core reason for both Lori and Alex having mental problems. Neith one of them have empathy for others! Who knows what skeletons are in the closet for both of them being psychotic!!

[@kimhaughton3771]

Spot on! I think you're on to something! 👍

[@tracyafig]

I'm glad Adam Cox moved away and started anew.

[@okeydokey3120]

Thank you, Lauren and John. As you know, my daughter was seriously mentally ill, and I've been raising her four children for nearly 10 years now. If I hadn't recognized her illness, and provided support and encouragement to her, my grandchildren may very well have ended up in the "secret tunnels" in Arizona. If only those close to Lori had stepped up, Charles, Tammy, JJ, and Tylee might could have been saved. Charles tried, 😢 but wasn't acknowledged. I pray God comforts all the family and friends, and even us, as we get through this. Much love 💞.

[@ninaschultz6922]

Agree: Charles tried but wasn’t acknowledged. He tried very hard, he was so desperate, heartbreaking.. police did not help him, they only helped Lori ;(

[@Agadora]

Somehow, 'Hidden True Crime' always manages to surpass my expectations. The depth of knowledge-- and the thoughtfulness with which it is applied--is so rare and so appreciated. Thank you so much for what you're offering this community. 👏👏👏

[@susanfogarty4897]

Such an excellent opportunity for us to learn from Dr John. Thank you!

[@doglover44]

Thank you Dr. John for explaining and helping us understand Lori. 🙏to Lauren for the heavy emotional up coming week! 💙

[@tarajh]

Lauren has been such a trooper!

[@Karenanne247]

I love Dr John & Lauren. Thank you both…a great team 🫶

[@bethyann562]

Dr. John, I so appreciate your educational and empathetic input. I have learned so much more about myself and others because of you

[@marisapolesky]

Lauren, you and Dr John are amazing to listen to. The amount of time and energy you both have invested into this case helps all of us to better come to grips with the horror of the actions of Lori and Chad, and their minions . Thank you for every sacrifice and the endless hours of work you have given . Both you and Dr John report and dig deeply into these crimes, with such informed and well educated thoughtfulness and humanity. Thank you for all you both do.

[@innervisions1828]

People don't seem to understand how totally $#$@#$%ed up Lori is and want something from her that she isn't capable of giving . As Dr. John Says, THIS IS NOT NORMAL. It would like expecting a blind person to see. I don't see the point of getting aggravated over it; it's pointless.

[@justicejane2429]

Great LIVE...Justice for JJ 👟👟 Tylee 👡👡Tammy👠👠and Charles 👞👞

[@mamak4400]

Thank you, Lauren and Dr. Babe, for keeping us completely informed from Jersey ❤

[@nkenda5157]

Lauren, I can’t thank you and Dr Babe enough for bringing us this most anticipated trial as well as Dr Babe’s professional thoughts on the minds of these crazies. You two are awesome and your hard work is appreciated

[@sanster7700]

Time zone difference is tough to catch a live. Appreciate the update,though! The treatment of the children was horrific and the description in court had us crying.😢 This crime demands the highest punishment allowable.

[@scmommy4539]

As always thank you both for your professionalism, insight, & authenticity. This is a horrible case but we love Dr. Babe & Mrs. Babe! I hope you 2 get a true "date night" soon. Hugs to you both & this awesome community! 💜

[@cathybarela4304]

Dr. John, the one thing that I don't understand is that they keep saying that Lori is very fragile and like you say is under a lot of stress or in a stressful situation however she knows enough to get herself together and try and look presentable to the court and public. You would think that if she was so fragile she wouldn't even care of how she looked or even know how pull a outfit together, I think this is also telling.

[@deborahlayson9841]

Lori should be MADE to look at ALL autopsy photos of her dead children, PERIOD!!!

[@ladyrainstar]

I honestly have been of the opinion that her deep denial & refusal to help her defense is why she went through the whole competency procedure anyways. It's hard to fathom or see someone just be so rigid & unrelenting in these beliefs. But now I truly think she does believe that what she did was merciful in some twisted way. I think it is very hard to understand her, even in a clinical sense. That's why I thank Dr. John for sticking it to that & not telling us what most probably want to hear about her. I had such a hard time even listening to the audio. I had to shut it off after the description of the pull up diaper on JJ. My 2 year old wears them herself & just imagining someone who raised a baby into a young boy to just so cruelly do all of those things. I even got emotional hearing you describe the courtroom, Lauren. This is such a horrible and difficult case all around. My heart is truly with Kay & Larry to get some sort of relief soon. To think Lori has been victimizing them continuously even to the very end. I truly feel sorry that they had to hear that while being the voice for JJ, the whole way through.

[@brandeberryb84]

I had to stop listening at the exact same moment

[@crystaldawn9255]

I agree. She was prob like yeah my kids aren't really dead. They're in a happy place

[@crystaldawn9255]

I mean if those aren't her kids why would she care about seeing their autopsies

[@catherinesearle9596]

I agree, I have always thought that Lori probably still thinks she's better than all of us so why bother trying to explain her beliefs to anyone, let alone LE or the court. It would be casting pearls before swine, in her not-so-humble opinion.

[@Kay-fv7cw]

I can't recall if it was Melanie or Zulema, but one of them said Lori told her that JJ was having continence issues since moving to Rexburg. This (bedwetting) is a common sign in children when exposed to trauma or stress.

[@lisaadams6753]

I love the depth of these conversations. In a way they make me feel calmer because I feel better if I have an explanation for things. The explanation that Lori would normally become very aggressive, but cannot do that in the court, and then she would normally run away, but cannot do that in the court so she went to dissociation and freezing. Such a great couple - the dedication also of going to the court every day. You are a true journalist. I appreciate you so much.

[@Twinkle_Toes88]

Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you Erin!

[@TeeJayNZ]

She was distressed bcos she got caught , if she hadn’t been found out she would probably now be working on fresh victims .

[@olgatrilogymartin3143]

True or holidaying at Hawaii

[@jacquelinestanley9092]

Thanks so much Lauren and John! You are my go to people on this case! I appreciate Dr Johns insights into Loris reactions in the trial this week, xxx from South Australia.

[@lindadingess3343]

Hi Lauren , thank you for covering this for all of us ,I’m watching the replay , take care of yourself ( watching from WV)

[@annette-in-vegas]

I've lost a child and think that child deaths are quite common, our culture just ignores it. I agree it should be the highest stressor. It's 16 years after my child died and it's still so difficult, but I manage to do much better then I did the first few years. I'm so appreciative of your work!

[@hunnypie1873]

Thank you for sharing this and I’m sorry for your loss. ❤

[@Jerry-tk7hn]

I was told the first five years of the worst my son's been gone close to seven years and I sometimes wish it was three or four years ago because people don't bring him up anymore and im not ready to just forget him.

[@sandrajohnson3164]

Lauren and John, I love it wjen you go over the time limit. Tor it means you guys are throughly going over all the information on this case.

[@HeidiThompson7]

Thank you for helping us make sense of this surprising response from Lori.

[@Frenchblue8]

John is super articulate and intuitively wise about this stuff in addition to knowing it book style

[@tngirl79799]

Thanks HTC for another great video ❤ I don't get to catch many of these live anymore but I am a faithful member of the Re-watch crew❤ I've been following you guys since the channel started and you both should be very proud of what you've accomplished here. I'm a big fan of honest true crime creators who bring the facts to their viewers and don't just put out anything for clicks. Add to that Dr John's analysis and the dynamic between you too and you've got the perfect TC fix

[@claudiarebecca4688]

She seems like a “How dare you judge me” type of person. That’s what I think she would love to say.

[@mtaylor7307]

Lori stated her belief was that she is a translated being that every action would be justified with no accountability. She likely considers herself persecuted by the rest of us mere human beings.

[@thorkagemob1297]

She is the most extreme example of "holier-than-thou"

[@kimhaughton3771]

Exactly! She kept telling Colby on the phone how he wasn't there so he didn't know what really happened. Well SHE didn't really know what happened either apparently. Coming face to face with the reality of what you've caused is especially difficult especially if you're a narcissist and psycho.

[@grammyb5216]

Dr. John you are the absolute best… YES, YES, YES 👍 THANK YOU BOTH, for working so hard. Sending Love and prayers for your family. Praying still for your brother, Lauren. 🙏💗

[@Diana111Bella]

Dr John & Lauren 💕 thank you for your brilliant insights and discussion

[@ninacanadian]

I started this last year and finished it now. Such great work always by Lauren and Dr. John. Really great information and reminders here as we are midway through Daybell’s 2024 trial.

[@ninacanadian]

So appreciated John’s note that Idaho insanity plea changed with attempt on Reagan’s life. 🤗 a history lesson too 😊

[@sim-b]

You are such good people - great team! ❤

[@peacefingers8669]

Sad I missed the live. Thank you for dropping more info! Love to you Lauren and Dr. John 💕

[@sunshinegal4294]

I’ve heard someone say that Lori thrives off of other’s grief, sorrow, etc. and sees that as a weakness and it gives her more power over them. Thoughts on this?

[@atfaafo]

Cults (and even so-called legitimate religious organisations of all kinds) need their followers to be in a place if grief or fear otherwise they wouldn't thrive. They're predators.

[@joannemurdock7899]

Narcs. Love other people's uoset!

[@Momma-angela]

Thank you Dr. John & Lauren

[@BurroGirl]

You too work so darn hard! Love the analyses, makes these types of criminal behavior more understandable.

[@Kare1949]

Sorry I missed this live. Thank you Dr John and Lauren . You both are so awesome and I love Hidden True Crime. God bless you both. Hugs ❤️🙏🙏

[@tarajh]

This was a nice surprise! Thanks for staying up late for us ♡

[@JCluvsdogs]

Thank you to both of you for your coverage on this bizarre case. I cannot imagine how hard it is for the two of you to be separated for so long because of this case. That shows me how dedicated you are to this! Doctor John, your analyses have helped me process myself, my family of origin, my abusive ex, and so much more. I am a survivor of more than 45 years of domestic violence. Your words to help divide fiction and Truth are very healing for me.

[@jenniferlong651]

Great assessment ❤

[@princesssarah5237]

This case has touched me so personally . It is so hard for me to not be angry

[@olgatrilogymartin3143]

Same.. lives were lost from those selfish nutjobs

[@scarlettohara843]

I believe that the biggest stressor for Lori was Colby getting married. The Netflix documentary shows that she was jealous of her son’s girlfriend (wife). Lori had seen her & Colby as a team for decades. Then, a younger, beautiful female came along and “stole” her baby. “Stole” her boy. Lori was no longer the woman in first place in Colby’s life. Lori was very competitive with his gf. After they married, she lost it. Changed her whole life. Became obsessed with her new life, new people. Lori’s depression and mental illness became so severe that she disassociated from herself and reality and become absorbed in her fictional world of Chad’s books and all those end-of-times podcasts. Colby’s marriage was the end of an era for Lori and the beginning of the end.

[@lisawithans]

I’m a newbie to your channel, just love your reporting on this trail! Thank you for you wonderful work and coverage. Keep up the great work! 💜

[@Brucebod]

One of the things that fascinates me about this case, is trying to figure out why _I_ am so fascinated with this case. I adore your channel, because you will mention why a person becomes interested, and therefore you help me to work out, at least, that aspect.

[@sunshinegal4294]

I feel if Lori is a psychopath then the stressors wouldn’t be the same for her as well as the fact that she created and caused the death of her husband and children

[@bluaquarius8519]

Agreed!

[@mtaylor7307]

Lori started dieting at her mother's demand when she was in 11th grade. Her weight became a priority for her. Alex was bringing diet pills from Mexico which police found a bag of full pill bottles. Melanie Gibb also talked about the diet pills with Lori and Alex which may have fueled a drug psychosis. Delusional and grandiose thinking may be driven by amphetamine addiction. I don't believe Lori experienced life in reality the way the average person. She has been running all her life and now her bad acts have her in a cage.

[@river8760]

Absolutely

[@elizabethmiller819]

I'm really enjoying you guys' channel. I heard of it through Mormon Stories awhile back and actually started checking it out with the Murdaugh case. Love your content! Lori's behavior reminds me of my mom who, imo, basically bullied my step-dad into unaliving himself. After his passing she came up with SO many alternative stories as to what happened because she just cannot deal with the reality of it. One guy she supposed killed him cause he reported an engineering error in a satellite they were working on. Another person she supposed killed him because they came out as trans - not sure what that has to do with anything but that was one of her offered explanations. Regardless, it certainly wasn't the years of bullying we'd all told her were unkind and hurtful, because of course in her mind she didn't do that. Narcissists gonna narcissist. Listening to those testimonies was so painful. I can't even imagine seeing the images of those poor kids. It's just heartbreaking to think of what was done to them. Listening to Brandon Boudreaux testify about identifying JJ was awful. The whole thing is just horrific and Lori's shenanigans in court just show how it's still all about her in her mind. Whatever she needs to do to keep the image she has of herself in her head and not actually face what she's done, literally or metaphorically.

[@tcmenez3648]

Thank you both 🔍🪻🪻🪻👵

[@kathleenjamieson7550]

Dr. Jon makes a lot of sense! Whether you are responsible or not, your body will react for you.

[@norafoley2244]

Thank you both. Dr John your insight is always brilliant and you are a voice of reason.

[@karinbaird2499]

❤ thanks you two for covering this case so well.

[@bobo102458]

Watching on replay but so glad you all discussed this! ❤

[@Ellewatch-y3j]

I am so upset for JJ and his loved ones, to think that he was murdered so harshly with no thought to his feelings by people he trusted is beyond sad. There are no words.😢

[@deborrastrom8559]

I am betting the judge consulted with a person like Dr. John before this day in trial. So he knew what were the ways Lori could react 🤔 & and what he should do & why..etc. As a peds nurse who took care of severely abused babies & children ages 0-5yrs old. I asked the Social workers to tell the Judges we nurses should be video taped with the babies & children & how they suffer daily, & for these videos be viewed by the abusive parents. The Social worker told me to write letters to the judges, of which I did often enough. 😉. I am on that judges side making Lori stay there 💯 %. I had to re-watch this as I am watching this new trial of Chads & seeing his expressionless face. As if he is not there. Listening to this is helping me. In helping other cases in my work > This really helps me Thanks you two! ❤❤ very important video today & insite. 😉.

[@hfug8]

I think that day was the first time Lori saw what actually happened to them. I don't think Alex or Chad told her the actual details.

[@graedot]

I've wondered about that. Both of those weak men may have lied to her. You would think that her anger might get through to her what she caused, because I do think it was greatly her idea.

[@river8760]

I disagree, I absolutely think she knew every detail and participated in it too.

[@graedot]

@@river8760 I guess a part of me keeps thinking this woman may have had one iota of concern.

[@feliciahoffman700]

You hit it on the nail Dr. John regarding defense mechanisms.

[@shcl3329]

My worst fear was that maybe Tylee and JJ were alive during the brutal and gruesome murders. I prayed and hoped that my instinct was wrong but from seeing how difficult and emotional it was for everybody in the court, my heart goes out to JJ and Tylee. There were other arrangments that could have been arranged for JJ and Tylee to not live with Lori without painfully and brutally killing them. I am sure JJ grandparents would accept JJ and even Tylee with open arms. Thank you Lauren and Dr. John for detailed and professional explanations. Helps to better understand this crazy and brutal murders.

[@laurenmay2098]

Tammy was suffocated, so I believe Chad or Alex did the same, then went crazy to dispose of the body.

[@bonnieoates3983]

If she had given the children up to someone else, she wouldn’t get the SS money!

[@marcypadrta9177]

If Lori would have "handed them over" to someone else, she would not have gotten the money from social security meant for the kids! Greed was the reason JJ didn't go to Kay ! (Just my thinking)

[@hollyb7142]

Exactly. Lori and Chad could easily have given the children to someone else and divorced their spouses, but they wouldn't have got any money that way.

[@peanutbutter46464]

After listening to this, I’d love to hear Dr John’s take and comparisons with Chad seeing the same images.

[@ozzietad666]

Thanks for covering this. It makes sense ( not anything else but her response and what John said about it) I have freeze not fight or flight- because I don’t know how to process stuff if I’m scared. I wondered too if Lori didn’t want to be in the room and for others to be seeing the evidence and looking at her reactions too. Let’s face it- she probably was going to smile and laugh and knew she wasn’t allowed to do that! So maybe shame as you said- But she ( and all the others in this case) are professional at shutting down logic and protecting their reality. Like a toddler with fingers in their ears saying “ I’m not listening I’m not listening “ Anything contradicting their reality they can shut that sh*t down.

[@McRambleOn]

Almost 80K subs- Great job both of you! Thanks for all you do! Thanks for being our eyes and ears and teacher ❤️

[@stacyshaw72]

Did she ever mourn her children…after allegedly believing they were zombies? She sure appeared to be living her best life without skipping a beat!

[@flygirl5175]

Good morning Lauren and Dr. John I’m sorry I missed the live😢 I know today the court is dark. I hope you enjoy your day off🌞 Thanks again for all that you do 💚

[@stephaniecarlson6689]

Hi you two lovelies, Lauren & Dr John. ❤❤ Steph, thank you to you both from NSW AUSTRALIA 🌺😘🌺😘 I admire the bravery that you both show with the cases that you both cover. Lauren, I can see the concern/sadness/feeling on your face. Xoxo 🌟🌞🌟🙏

[@taraellis4345]

You guys are awesome. So glad I found you. Not too many people can pull of a husband and wife show 😃 great dynamic.

[@tonifitz6831]

Thanks Dr babe for mentioning the camera angle. I was thinking Lauren was talking to her live audience the roomate x

[@Trustbutdocument]

I'm glad you are moving on from the events till new information becomes available and you are allowed to share as you mentioned. Sadly more information will surface with the future cases. Confident you both have comfort and help to share. Please continue on that line. Best wishes.

[@renee1567]

Lori just keeps going on to the next thing , constantly, distracting herself from reflecting on her own behavior. She’s a very sick person .

[@private91]

Excellent. Thank You both.

[@75jvs]

Maybe you have already talked about it and I missed it, but I would love to hear your opinion on how jury members in this case (and others where they have to look at/hear horrible testimony, images, videos etc.) will come out of it? Do they get some form of aftercare? If not, should they?

[@marcellaable]

Thank you HTC for this video. It was a great surprise to see it & I watched while eating breakfast.

[@teddiev2720]

The death of a child is off the charts.

[@McRambleOn]

The Mormon stories episodes have all been extremely interesting & insightful, I recommend all of them for those that want more background info abt Lori/Chad’s belief systems and role Mormonism/LDS religious topics framed their cult ideology.

[@amberncambro]

Fight, flight, or....the freeze! The other roommate in the Idaho 4 case!!!!! Trauma induced! Thank you for explaining!

[@lauraberry960]

I just wanted to say how much respect I have for you two. Thank you for all that you do 💘

[@MsChylon]

Speaking of Lori's tendency to fight, I found it so fascinating when she was on the call with MG and took a complete different tone when she realized that MG was questioning her

[@SEEKINGPUSHEDUPDAISIES]

Thank you Dr. John

[@mzrabbitt6762]

She knew her children were killed but I don't think she ever had to see them until that day in court. Her brother killed them.

[@mtaylor7307]

With Chad. Remember Lori had already stated that Alex couldn't do anything right by himself after he failed to kill Brandon and Tammy. Chad wanted those children dead and he would have enjoyed getting those children fully under his control.

[@gg3596]

WOW! That was awesome Lauren & Dr John.

[@eyes_wide_open23]

I really feel for you Lauren. I've watched you since the beginning of all this. It definitely looks like it's taken is toll on you mentally. How could you not after all this? Your whole aura has changed. I hope you get some counseling after all this too. It has had to have impacted you. Prayers for you.