LORI VALLOW DAYBELL VERDICT & CLOSING ARGUMENTS - Dr John and Lauren

[@josvandersteen3564]

Lauren, I do hope you take some time to recover and spiritually heal. You look sadder and wiser - this case has obviously made a lasting impression on you. Also, it has contributed to your impressive growth as a reporter. Your professional style is sincere, conscientious and empathic. Many of us will remember not just this horrible case, but also your taking the wraps off it. You are a not-so-hidden gem.

[@gtaylor6937]

Amen to that.

[@carolwoodward6141]

Totally agree with this observation.

[@BamaCyn]

And those jurors will need help to decompress from the trauma of seeing those horrific crime photos of Tylee and JJ. 😪

[@unapologeticallyauthentic]

Amen!!

[@andreapatton1054]

Agree!

[@csilva3682]

I studied in the Mormon religion when I was young. Met and got to know quite a few. There are a lot of good people who are Mormons but there's something about the religion that I can only describe as cult like. Whatever it is, it seems to breed a lot of dysfunction and toxicity in families. Whatever was the causation, the basic personality of both Chad and Lori is narcissistic in nature. It's the dynamic that created the setting for them to go down the rabbit hole. Their narcissism and religious fanaticism was a perfect storm that allowed them to be okay with murder. People who have NPD lack empathy and only consider their needs as important. What a perfect justification. People they see as a threat or baggage turn into zombies who's body needs to be destroyed. Makes sense if you are a sociopath.

[@TheInstigator1026]

Mormonism was certainly the beginning of this. Members are indoctrinated from birth. Also, they talk about the last days a whole lot. In fact, their full name is The Church Of Jesus Christ Of LATTER-DAY Saints. Later-Day meaning- this is the end of times, by apocalypse. The wrath of Jesus Christ, of which, Mormons believe they will be spared.

[@butwhytho4858]

I love this kind of insight. I’ve focused more on these aspects during the last few years of this.

[@milagiganticurchod6138]

For how long were you a mormon? I never found the CLS to be any kind of cult.Fanatisim brings tragedy whether is on dogma, politics or else. Not only sociopaths but pchycopaths will get involved in all dark actions to justify their means. Spiritugality needs no dogma and it is what really matters = the purpose of our lives. Go well. Best wishes

[@butwhytho4858]

@@milagiganticurchod6138 it’s the magical thinking that concerns those from the outside looking in. I knew nothing about the religion until I made friends with some JW ladies. I got interested in looking into many religious groups considered under a broad blanket of “Christian”. The way the Mormon church started is absolutely startling to me with golden tablets that were never seen, then stolen, then returned, being read out of a hat….. It teaches generation after generation to literally no question anything you’re told. Not by God, but by man, and that’s alarming. I am a non religious Christian. Every church I’ve gone to have their own weird things that make no sense. I’m Catholic by birth so there’s Limbo, Purgatory, confessions, etc,. I was baptized Pentecostal as a teen by choice. There was speaking in tongues, a love of money, no make up and only dresses, music so loud my 6 yr old sister cried, and a good amount of segregation even. I attended a Church of Christ where literally I think they sang the whole time… I studied the Bible with the JW women. There’s no Christian holidays observed nor birthdays and other very nonsensical things. I’ve worked at an Amish plant nursery here for a short time. My cousin-in-law is a pastor for a church that seemed pretty normal… until we went to a formal dinner and there was calm almost ballroom style dancing. That’s where we found out in their religion you’re not allowed to dance, not even with your spouse of 40 years lol. But of all those religions, Mormons are the strangest. Even the most integrated into society seem disconnected with society. They have their own words for things that make no sense, because words already exist for whatever they are talking about. And then Joseph smith… Lord help me lol And the Angel Moroni? Then let’s not talk about the groups that practice polygamy. Yes I know it’s been denounced, but the founder sure believed in it lol… But you know the one thing that got me? The hot drinks thing…. And hearing more and more stories from families within the church, I started noticing that there weren’t many acts of kindness. There was no service or humbling to the lowest of God’s ppl. Much in the way Jesus did. It’s all self a absorbed culture. Everyone sees or speaks to Jesus or angels, everyone has a book, or podcast, or business, or holds important positions in the church. All of those positions have titles with prestige and ppl want that title/prestige because it makes them feel important. And conference after conference… In todays society we are taught to be more accepting of things, but for me… when someone told me they can’t have hot drinks, but coffee was fine… I lost all respect for them, just as I lost respect for my family member when they wouldn’t dance with their wife.

[@ninaschultz6922]

@@milagiganticurchod6138 I respect LDS and other beliefs, whatever makes one happy and doesn’t hurt anyone is fine to me. If one wants to believe in Joseph Smith, one may do so wholeheartedly imo. Please don’t be disappointed though, the LDS religion is considered a high-demand religion with strong behavioural guidelines and control mechanisms. This aspect in combination with strong hierarchical structure and the concept of personal revelation from god can enable religious-authoritarian or so-called cult-like dynamics in a group. Also, Mormons can tend to be a little shut-off from other worldviews by the LDS Church who proclaims their “one true church”, where members can spend a lot of their time and don’t even need friends outside church; Mormons can live in a fully Mormon bubble, a kind of fully immersive experience which many other flavours of orthodox religions also can offer. In any religious environment that asks as much obedience as the LDS church through scripture and that tells its members not to question their living (!?) prophets, I would proceed with extra caution and probably also refrain from joining; that is just me, personally.

[@Firebird-dd3by]

One thing I noticed thru out this is that Lori never grieved over Tylee and J.J. No one in that sick cult grieved over the death of the children. Ever one on the outside of that cult grieved the very second they learned they found the children's remains. Even believing the children turned into zombies, why didntnt Lori show any grief over loosing her daughter life?

[@belindamorrowking6149]

There is no grief because she believes she/Chad saved them from the darkness and sent them to heaven. So in her belief system, created and disseminated by Chad, her children were redeemed.

[@Tina06019]

@@belindamorrowking6149 It’s pretty weird. I think (hope) my parents are in heaven, but I still miss them. Fortunately, they lived long lives and died peacefully.

[@strawberryjam119]

I was wondering the same thing why didn’t she at the very least mourn the loss of her kids??? Did she not miss them?

[@Courtney-R]

Even if she saved them you’d think she would’ve mourned the people they were.

[@Firebird-dd3by]

@@Courtney-R exactly....... no grieving from cult dumbbells.

[@ballet07]

I have thought that Chad had low self esteem and was basically lazy. He conned Tammy into being the bread winner for a large family so he could write his little books that fed his self esteem. However, he was a con man and he knew it. When he met Lori, she had read his books and had stars in her eyes. It was the perfect opportunity for him to pursue a fantasy life based off of Julie Rowe's quasi LDS beliefs. He had a hot new chick on his arm and was ready to live his best life. The worst of Lori and Chad's character traits created these heinous events. Both of them allowed their darkest thoughts to manifest. Eventually Lori would have worn Chad out with her narcisstic neediness and she would tire of him. Just as fast as these relationships ignite do they wither to nothingness. Lori and Chad are sad and pitiful people.

[@gtaylor6937]

I think you nailed it. They conned each other, and the reality of their faults and deficiencies would have become apparent to them both soon enough, had they not been arrested. The really freaky part is that now they'll both be able to carry their fantasies about the other into perpetuity, because being the victims, so "persecuted" as they are now, will make that the only thing they have left. SO sick.

[@ballet07]

@@gtaylor6937 yes! I imagine them comparing themselves to Christ being persecuted.🙄😑

[@jackmanjack211]

So yes. Very lazy I noted the land where the children were buried was really unkempt. Didn't look as if he had even planted a tree or landscaped himself at all. Too busy writing rubbish teeny bopper nooks while Tammy brought home the bacon. Hope they find hardest jobs for him I'm prison

[@Xpose00722]

I loved the “storm” closing but I have to say it did take me back a bit that Archibald said that! I don’t think Lori liked his closing at all!

[@maddybertani8161]

Beautifully put! I totally agree with you.

[@Goldenfeather77]

Rest, Lauren. I understand how exhausted you must be. Have a happy Mother's day. Prayers go out to each of you.

[@karenbaldry8096]

I’ve had a change of heart in my opinion of the defence . Initially I was disgusted that people could defend such a monster, however, after someone explaining that it is important everyone gets to have a fair trial I felt differently. I actually felt sorry for the defence lawyers as they literally had nothing to work with. They’re not stupid, they knew she was as guilty as sin, but , they had their job to do and they did it to the best of their ability with what they had. I felt the tears were a mixture of relief it was all coming to the end and probably frustration with Loris behaviour. They need some time off to spend with their families. Those who know them and love them. They had the most difficult job in the world, I couldn’t do it. I wish them luck.

[@ItsMeCheryl1231]

@Amy Pischedda Yes, they need a BIG vacation. (NOT in Hawai'i!)

[@merricat3025]

I am glad you get it. I got pretty sick of the constant defense bashing. They did the best they could with what they had. They were doing their job, and everyone deserves defense.

[@kaybrown4010]

Someday we ourselves may need a defense attorney and we’ll be glad they’re there to advocate for us.

[@dianasimplifies]

@@merricat3025 exactly! They didn’t ask for this case either

[@UrsaCarina]

Criminal defense lawyers are the front line of defense against tyranny that the constitution is designed to prevent!

[@KDSima]

I feel for Kaye. My ex mother-in-law died at age 93, in 2021. She outlived two of her eight grandchildren. She also outlived two of her four children. She was a wonderful woman who showed me the meaning of grace. I lost a daughter, and a grandson. I have learned to go on day by day; but, I don’t have the grace she did. I can’t wait to see her, my daughter, and my grandson. Eventually.

[@sanelliott7695]

Kay n Larry are heroes and beautiful people ❣️

[@inannanightingale9718]

Oh my god... I had a horrible "storm" experience today! I'm an English teacher and was tutoring a student about the "show don't tell" method of writing. The example in our text was to write that there was a storm. I heard myself say "so I need you to show me the storm" and my whole brain cringed!!! Luckily nobody else around has any clue what that means to us here, but I had to share with you guys. That word will never be the same!

[@Cindy-Lou-Who-717]

Haha. I'm a language arts teacher and I get this haha. 😂

[@pettrastrydom1129]

😂

[@unapologeticallyauthentic]

Eeeekkkk!! Oh lord!!!!

[@KateBBrowne]

That is too funny! 😬

[@pamostman516]

The true heroes in all this are Larry and Kay who sounded the alarm early on. Who knows how many lives they may have saved by shutting down this insane belief system with the scrutiny honed in on Laura and Chad. It's always good to see justice being served. Prayers to all the family members affected by this tragedy.

[@KateBBrowne]

They truly are! They have seen this through (and still much more) as much as any loving family member could. They are the true meaning of family, and what family should be.

[@Moose74491]

The prosecution was EXTREMELY strategic and played everything very timely!!

[@carolmilatz5648]

Yes they were quite slick. They knew how to pour on the drama. For instance bringing those horrible pictures up time and time again just to evoke more emotion.

[@nolasmith7687]

Hey John, how blessed are you just doing normal parental things like hanging out with your son, watching telly and doing homework. Just think, due to Lori’s poor decision making over just a short period of her life, she will NEVER be able to do this with her kids or grandkids, nephews and nieces. Sad how much difference a few decisions can make to one’s life. Thanks to both Lauren and you for your very interesting coverage of this whole psychodrama. Cheers from Australia.

[@sonjjafinigan7854]

As soon as I saw the word telly, I knew you were an Aussie lol. Hi from Sydney xx

[@nolasmith7687]

@@sonjjafinigan7854 hi Sonjja, This case has been pretty gobsmacking in its weirdness … can’t think of any thing like it in Oz crime history can you?

[@sonjjafinigan7854]

@@nolasmith7687 it’s been absolutely nuts! I can’t remember a crime anything like that here, it would be national news all day every day for years if that happened here! Xx

[@doricoldwell29]

Nothing will bring back or minimize the needless loss of such sweet, loving innocent lives.❤

[@Udontsay948]

I really appreciate your layered, nuanced examination of both sides of this trial. Something we really need in this sad, bizarre, completely unhinged case. And I really appreciate your stating the fact that religion and fantasy underly and buttress and justify their narcissism and sociopathy.

[@vickifischer-rasmussen3850]

Lori declared herself a leader of 144K when she met Melanie Gibb BEFORE she met Chad. So I think Lori and Chad were a catalyst for each other. Their relationship was toxic in the worst way because they facilitated each other. Lori was murderous before Chad as evidenced by her own words during a talk at Melanie Gibb’s house and she watched Alex’ attack on Joe Ryan in Texas. Let’s hope the sentence is life without parole for them both.

[@ninaschultz6922]

I believe that castings were an original idea by Lori, too. I find truly remarkable what we know about them so far, Lori seemed to have invented a religious procedure with some kind of god-roleplay.

[@SometimesPerplexed]

No doubt I’m speculating, but my take is that Lori must be deeply dug into her fantasy world, not only to have done what she did but also to maintain her sphinx-like public demeanor and seem resigned to her situation.

[@peatyxxjxxx1494]

She was not murderous and maybe she declared herself that before meeting Chad but she was definitely under the influence of Chad because she was reading his books. So again all of her actions were a result of her being introduced to Chad and his writings. What no one knows is why Lori went down this path. What was occurring in her life that she felt the need to become more religious.

[@BigLYKfan]

I think she had something to do w/her sisters death, her ex Tylie’s father Joe Ryan & Alex’s death. I’m convinced she a serial killer. Sorry but…way too many deaths for me to see it any other way!

[@mandywatson.]

​@@peatyxxjxxx1494 Some speculate Lori & Alex murdered Tylee's father, Joe Ryan, long before she met Chad. All of her actions definitely were NOT a result of meeting Chad.

[@sandrabaker639]

I’m just getting to see this but I will say again Dr. John is a brilliant man. He explains things so the we “ordinary” peeps can understand. 🤪… Lauren you are simply awesome too!! Happy Mother’s Day!

[@wolfpack3812]

Lauren and John, thanks for covering this case. I cannot even imagine how hard mentally it was: Lauren, being away from your hubby and son - emerged in this horrific crime of a mom murdering her own children, John for keeping things together back home. Hope you have loooong moments of peace & calm, recovering a little from this crazy case. Sending love and hugs ❤

[@victoriacuddy]

Happy Mothers Day Lauren 💜 I listened to this video this morning before going to church and as I process this trial I am just struck with just absolute awe at both of your personalities and gifts . Lauren you are a great interviewer and friend to many. Dr John listens deeply and to be a man who interviews people who have done some of the worst crimes and the weight of saying a person can or cannot be rehabilitated. I think without commenting on the trial because so many of my thoughts were in sync with everyone basically, I just want say Thank you to both of you and for sharing your gifts with so many. These type of exchanges through our media we have today can help with healing. Understanding why any of us feel, act, behave, respond is a step to a more stable society. So much more is needed of course but as I learn and glean from both of you this morning I just wish to stop and say Thank you Dr John and Lauren ♥️ Love to both of you

[@bellella_6926]

That's so true and such an astute point that it's about how Chad made Lori feel. Being with a handsome person is not the same as being called beautiful and being made to feel good.

[@DonnaLena1]

Lori is one of those people who can never get enough praise, adulation and “love”.

[@sylvialongley9947]

I was so happy with the verdict, but still so sad JJ, Tyler, Tammy and Charles are no longer with us and lost their lives.

[@gynapaul2737]

To Lauren and Dr John. i want to thank you both for allowing me to be able to listen to the audio of the trial. It was one of the most unforgettable trial! I would have never in my wildest imagination, that she would end up having her kids killed. I lived just a few blocks from them in Chandler, AZ When I saw in the news about her brother shooting her husband Charles in self defense, I could not believe it. But when I saw her interrogation tape and the police cam of her laughing, when the officer approached her, she didn't appear to be in shocked. Even after all this happened, her husband being killed, she had a pool party that very night, after the officers were done with the collection of evidence. I'm anxiously waiting the Arizona trial. That one will most definitely be televised. Thank you once again! You guys are AWESOME!!👍 Chad was a down grade! I think the defense is right on about, Charles was way more handsome than Chad!

[@milagiganticurchod6138]

Nothing to do with looks actually but, I got your point. Charles was a refined and more educated man. Chad actually "the grave digger" and self proclaimed prophet - just another bullshitter who believed his own lies. Lori and Chad complemented one another: couples who kill.

[@Gurl-5150]

She had that pool party while Charles' sons were calling and texting her phone endlessly to get ANY NEWS ABOUT THE DEATH OF THEIR DAD. She ignored them completely!

[@Lisa-sw7zj]

I know right?! She’s so sick and evil. 😞 I literally had tears rolling down my face at the airport hearing GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY GUILTY, and GUILTY!!!! 🙌❤

[@brendakauffman2222]

@@Gurl-5150 I believe Lori truly is on the psychopathic or at the very least narcissistic spectrum. Chad made Lori and others feel special, told them they were key figures of importance from the past and that they had been previously married. Lots of grooming occurred with Chad's followers IMPO. I could never agree with the actions of either Lori or Chad. Lori had an unstable upbringing. Chad may have convinced his followers of this bazaar belief system which allows them to murder even their own spouses and children to get payouts from insurance companies and marry the person of choice etc. It's so sad. Poor JJ, Tylee and Lori's former husband. If only the LE had listened to Lori's husband all of them may have been alive.

[@kaileyrosemahan8101]

We all know how much the spiritual (culty) elements powered their folie a deux. But the prosecution had to be strategic and left it out for good reasons. To simplify the case, to avoid isolating spiritual jurors, and to avoid appeal issues of violating religious freedoms. And ultimately because they had plenty without it. Thanks for all of your dedication and insight!

[@JMP829]

Great response!

[@marytorbert5212]

Re watching Sunday morning with my coffee. I’m so excited to hear Dr. Jon break all this down! Thank you so much for all the hard work and sacrifices you’ve made for us all! Happy Mother’s Day Lauren!! 💞

[@wyowumin]

From a lot of commentary I've listened to by lawyers and court reporters it seems that this trial came pretty close to being one that could/should be studied as an example of how a trial conducted by a fully prepared judge and lawyers and witnesses who were absolutely on point. When the trial began I was really critical of the judge's decision not to have cameras in the court room but as the trial progressed I saw the wisdom of that decision--IMO. The prosecution team kept the momentum going amazingly well. And bless those defense lawyers! I was a secretary in a Public Defender's Office years ago and know what good guys they are and those two deserve medals! They did the very best they could in a very difficult situation and with an impossible client. And thank goodness for a jury who were obviously very committed to their job and duty and had the commonsense and intelligence to arrive at a true and fair and absolutely correct verdict.

[@MegandLuna]

I agree case study for lawyer students, forensic interviewer students and digital forensics etc … it had it all !!!

[@TheInstigator1026]

You guys are the REAL gems. Thank you for your tireless work.❤ Enjoy your family time.

[@jackmanjack211]

best witness ever was Kay. never forgot her testimony. so very powerful. great job kay. hope you can take a holiday , swim and get a tan.

[@vickyoneil112]

You are both great and I loved watching you these past 6 months. It's pretty clear this trial has taken a toll on you Lauren and I am sure there is so much other stuff going on behind the scenes. I pray you can get some rest and regroup. Your gems are loyal and we will always be here. Thank you for covering this horrific trial.

[@naomivasquez2874]

I believe Chad felt important having all these female followers. He hit the jackpot when Lori joined the group. He was in LUST with her. As for Lori, after hearing her cousin's accounts of their growing up, seems she had always manipulated others. She grew up in a "religious" environment, but she did not apply the religious teachings to herself. She always felt that she was special and above others. She was cold and callous to her ex-husbands once she tired of them, and would use members of the cult for her benefit ( as an alibi) .

[@mickeykyker4837]

It really is that simple.

[@ammiedoering4205]

Lauren, take time to process this now that the trial is finished. You held yourself so professionally while at trial, meaning we hold it together bc it’s our job. So it will all flood forward. Let your family embrace you. ❤. John is so cute when he blushes talking about the storm. You both are wonderful

[@playnicebereal5850]

Happy Mother’s Day Lauren! Good to see you home with your family! Thank you thank you for all you both have done! 💜

[@Sister325]

When I saw your name my (dyslexic?) brain read "play nice cerebral". It's also nice so I thought I'd share.

[@wroffinwroffer6713]

Happy you get to be back home with your family today for Mothers Day. Thank you for all you do for all of us out here and Yay for Justice for JJ Tylee and Tammy. I am sure this is an important day for Tammys children to have justice for their mother on this day. She is smiling down on her children from heaven. 💖😇🙏💖😊👍💖

[@xLAPPUINx]

Makes Mother's Day more sacred and life more precious. Much love to all.

[@loriday4418]

Thanks Lauren! Enjoy your much needed time with your family

[@madeathinks7578]

I really enjoy your work. I’m glad I gave you another chance since someone stopped appearing with you. Dr John’s insights are unique. Lauren’s easy going, polite, and respectful interviews are great!

[@SarahICannon]

Thank you for your sacrifice to ensure we understand this horrific tragedy. I appreciate hearing both of your thoughts and thank you for bringing us into your family! Enjoy your Mothers Day! Don’t forget to hug and kiss your kids/family/friends. Life is precious ☮️💟😇

[@Wanderingnomad2829]

These are really great points - this whole trial took me away from my own thoughts about the mistakes I’ve made - this trial was like a pill so I could focus on Lorie and how awful she is - I cannot tell you how many times I cried over what happened to jj TL Charles and Tammy

[@TheOriginalLexa]

Happy Mother’s Day, Lauren! Thank you for being at the trial and thank you to both y and Dr. John for all of the analysis

[@janicegreene3599]

Hate I missed the Live. I have been anxious to hear Dr. John’s opinion of verdict. We all appreciate you both so much. Glad you are home safely, Lauren. Get some rest and have a very Happy Mother’s Day! ❤

[@moiracistola1112]

Lauren and Dr, John, we appreciate you both so very much.

[@wandalea9]

This was so true what Dr. John said about the need for the prosecution to go with tangible evidence & focus on "money, lust, & power" as the motives, but that the insane religious beliefs were just as causative. Some people can't see or understand this. And the description of the way Chad grew into his role was so insightful.

[@youaremysunshine81]

I did not realize until Kay said it after Lori’s guilty verdict that there is going to be a trial for the attempted murder of Brandon. I hope it happens and I hope melaniece will be among those that are charged. After hearing the texts and things melaniece said and did shows she was much more involved and deep in this cult and beliefs just as much as Lori and chad were.

[@jenniferrueger1694]

And Melanie Gibb too.

[@mtaylor7307]

I think it was why Melaniece didn't testify. She can't risk saying anything incriminating in court and be held liable in Brandon's attempted murder trial. Plus, Brandon and Melaniece are in litigation right now over their children.

[@carolwoodward6141]

Agree.

[@dollluv]

The state will probably charge Melanie. It was her husband’s life insurance. I think the state would have included conspiracy to attempt to kill Brandon in Lori’s trial. Anyway, I hope this happens because Melanie was involved and should be held accountable.

[@Catfluff521]

Melanie is Lori’s mini-me and was fine with her kids being labeled “dark” and tried to take them from the in-laws home with Alex waiting in the car. Can’t believe she’s allowed to have any unsupervised time with them.

[@donnackk5860]

I have been watching you from Toronto since the trial. I have been following the trial since Nate chased them in Hawaii. I follow all of you Now( most you guys him and GiGi. )You are all great. I like your personal touch and of course hearing John’s professional insights. It’s like here in Toronto I feel like I know you. Thank you for a stellar job. I will continue to follow you as you cover Arizona and Chad’s trial. I hope you can now take a bit of break and a breather now that this trial has ended. So happy justice had been served. ❤

[@gg3596]

TY Dr John & Lauren! Happy Mother's Day, Lauren!

[@annecolumbo8713]

John, you stated over and over again so many of the thoughts i had about this whole thing. You hit it on the head in every way!

[@freewaybaby]

What Dr. John is saying about Lori and Chad really believing that the world is ending eminently is what I’ve been saying… It explains why Lori is so nonplussed about anything going on around her. She doesn’t picture been incarcerated for decades; she thinks they’re all going to be swept up in the next moment, or the moment after that, or the moment after that… She and Chad probably anticipated it happening around the time of their honeymoon. Doomsdayers are scary people because of their disconnect to ANYthing within the confines of what most of us consider normal; If they are not going to be here (2nd coming or whatEVER reason), it doesn’t really matter what they do, because they won’t be around to have to answer for it. I know one of those kind and though they are not a murderer, I have considered the possibility for years. Lori wasn’t a killer her whole life either, but now….she’s STILL a dangerous person.

[@cherylspinazzola5572]

Well said

[@JMP829]

In the broader sense, I am so thankful for this verdict. No matter what one’s personal beliefs, (religious or non-religious), those beliefs are never a justifiable reason to kill someone. I think this verdict is an important precedent to set here. I was somewhat worried what message a not guilty verdict could have sent.

[@freewaybaby]

@@JMP829 Agreed! I think a lot of us have gotten “nervous “ (for lack of a better word) about what would seem to be the obvious outcome in some of these cases. None of us can forget those like Florida’s Casey Anthony trial; ANYTHING can happen!

[@freewaybaby]

@@grimfist79 Why do that, when Jesus will be here in a minute (or day or…) to pull you out of all this? Oh, trust me; they DEFINITELY believe! If Lori pictured the possibility of spending 40+ years incarcerated here on earth, we’d have seen a “whole nuther” kind of demeanor at the verdict. Sure, she was pissed that she didn’t get immediate release (like, where she’d be welcome to go is another topic), but she probably took delusional comfort in thinking she was bearing yet another cross as a believer…though ONLY a short term burden, because again, they can hear the trumpets announcing the 2nd coming RIGHT around the corner! NOW! Okay, not NOW, but still today…well,okay, tomorrow then, and on and on and…

[@Lisa-sw7zj]

💯

[@chrissyakers]

Job well done, Lauren! As well as you, Dr. John! It is so endearing to see the level of respect you have for each other.💖 Happy Mother’s Day to you both!

[@brendakauffman2222]

Agreed, Love this true crime channel.

[@StephanieBeitzel]

If this case has told us anything, it’s that relationships are not always what they seem, and it’s vital that those with questions, including those who witness or suspect otherwise, should speak out and be available to those needing a way out. Happy Mother’s Day Lauren. You deserve hugs and love every day. With love and eye balls from Australia 🇦🇺.

[@jackmanjack211]

yes indeed "ARe you O.K" is a great way to start

[@ninaschultz6922]

Such a great insight, it is so important to have someone who listens to victims and believes them. Difficult situations can arise when a person cannot help themselves anymore and requires support, but it needs listening by environment to alleviate situation and/or prevent further harm. It was so hard to see how Lori lied and manipulated to prevent Charles from getting help, really heartbreaking how tragedy enfolded ;( to me, Lori was criminally genius to use the bias against men as fathers in custody cases, Lori was alleging an affair against him, too. I believe, Charles had no chance that law enforcement would listen to him instead of “loving mother by all accounts” Lori, her evil genius in manipulation are ALMOST admirable, wow.

[@janeenandersen546]

Lori’s parent have some guilt in their role in influencing her life. In particular with what happened to her sister. Great review Janeen from Sydney Australia

[@teresadiaz2639]

Thank you Heather may God's blessings be with you and your family 💖

[@jodyadams9512]

I have been thinking about Lori today and how different her Mother’s Day would be if she hadn’t destroyed every good thing in her life. It’s just so so sad

[@denysemcalister3390]

I applaud both of your efforts for the duration of this case. What a pair of dedicated and caring human beings you are.

[@mayarodriguezsrensen6904]

I learn so much from both of you. Thank you for all your hard work and invaluable insights.

[@rosem3967]

I loved this podcast. I love hearing both of your thoughts into the mind of Lori & Chad. I am so glad Justice has been served and Chad is next.

[@sonialariviere4700]

Thank you both of you, for your magnificent job of keeping us inform. Lauren you must have been drained so many nights. Thank you. And Dc John, i have learned so much listening to your calm interprétation of peuple, through their actions, there words, or no words..body language etc. You are both beautiful People inside and out. ❤

[@Ther3rg]

Happy Mother’s Day Lauren hope you and the family have a wonderful day ❤💐

[@TheInstigator1026]

Are you kidding? These two are a dynamic duo. Dr John is a forensic psychologist and he is very compassionate, too. I think they bring an unbeatable concept to fighting/reporting crime.

[@3773elle]

As this part of the story comes to a close, I wanted to say, how much I've appreciated your growth and openness. You always conducted brilliant interviews, and people trusted you enough to come forward, when they wouldn't have to anyone else. I came to this, not as much of a "true crime" devote, as one who has been questioning, why people believe what they do. Especially during the pandemic, I began to notice many - stuck in their homes, looking at screens - seemed to fall prey to wild, fantastical beliefs, sometimes affecting families, communities and politics, in very destructive ways. I was raised by a mother, who was the queen of magical thinking and a father, the king of practical, logical, materialistic thinking. I have direct experience of seeing auras or watching my mother shew away clouds, premonitions that came to pass, and yet I can explain all of those in terms, even my father would understand. So I think I get your theory of Chad's world. But I want to add this: I believe Chad may have begun writing books about the end times, using his imagination, akin to an LDS version of the (LaHaye/Jenkins) Left Behind series, bestsellers in the 90s and 2000ies. I imagine him thinking: Why couldn't I write a series like they did - but for Mormons? They'll make me famous. And the movies...." And then he met Suzanne Freeman and Julie Rowe. And I see him thinking: Seems like there's more interest and credibility when you have had an NDE or 2... So he gradually began to refer to his fiction as visions. And his justification: his NDEs - whether he had any or not - it doesn't matter. We all tell stories about ourselves; kind of - an elevator pitch biography. Whether some of it's inflated or not, it becomes habit. And we introduce ourselves, sell ourselves, to the world like that so much, that we don't even remember what parts may be untrue: we even begin to live into it. Like John said (perfectly) the Accidental Profit. To end - I also want to thank you for raising the question of Joe Ryan's death (and Alex's too). I'm not ready to speculate, but surely think there should be a deeper dive into their untimely deaths. LE has access to LollyTime and Lori4Style iCloud accounts - I'm sure they could at least do a cursory search for Lori's movement around the time Joe would have died. BTW He also had life ins., which Lori cashed in on - not Tylee. And if there were any communication with Zulema around the time of Alex's passing. I guess the prosecutors needed to keep some evidence out of the court so as not to sully certain witnesses. But maybe more will come out in Chad's trail. I see him trying to cast a shadow on Melanie Gibb's testimony, which could potentially reveal more. I mean, didn't anyone one ask Lori whatever happened to that husband you were going to kill?

[@doglover44]

Happy Mother's Day Lauren! I hope you get to rest and spend your special day with Dr. John and your son. Bless you all❤

[@5catsANDcounting]

Thank you, Lauren and John, for these analysis videos. I just love listening to what you both have to say about this case.

[@maureencaissy6075]

I think if we fail to try to understand what led to these horrible events they have a much greater chance of being repeated. Your channel goes a long way towards bringing that understanding to light. Thank you again. ❤️

[@Zsuh-Zsuh-Boo-Boo]

This was a fascinating discussion. Lots of things I've been thinking about and more to think about now. Thanks for working through the technical awkwardness! A fantastic show as always!

[@carolynsherman3439]

Thank you for your reporting and analysis. Glad your family is back together.

[@DpackMocktail]

I’ve just reached the end of this Livestream from the nosebleed section of the Replay Crew… I have MANY thoughts and feelings swirling around my mind and body and at this point I’m not able to succinctly express them or pare them down for comment on a thread where people’s time and attention is limited… But, regarding the Conclusion of this Replay I need to say that YOU TWO ARE SOOOOOO ADORABLE AND CUTE!!!! 🥰 And I LOVE watching you both role model intimate emotional openness and vulnerability in a public space ♥️😍💎 Imo, we need more people like you both role modelling healthy relationship intimacy and showing what this looks like because not enough people know what it is and how it looks and this keeps personal growth held in the bondage of Fear… We need THIS normalised!! Thank you 🙏🏼 💎🫶🏻

[@carolwoodward6141]

Thank you both for the long lived coverage of this tragedy, but now get some rest, some distance. Virtual hugs.

[@paulahenderson9878]

THANKS TO YOU BOTH FOR YOUR GREAT COMMENTARIES ON THE STORIES YOU COVER. SO MUCH INSIGHT COMES TO ME. BLESSINGS.

[@chacha-Ce83]

Gosh I think so much and it’s too wordy , but John I’m getting it. Lauren you are tired and emotionally exhausted. God bless your family 💛

[@annehummingbird]

Wishing you the happiest Mother's Day ever! Thank you for everything!❤❤❤❤❤❤️❤️❤️

[@lindakienle531]

Happy Mothers Day Lauren. Great job both of you. Thank you

[@eva1480]

Thank You both. John You are good with estimating the situation. If You know what I try to say. It's sober reality

[@norlavine]

Wonderful discussion. Reminded me that we are all human and in the end - only kindness matters.Thank you both after a lovely mothers day with my family xx

[@dalpace7490]

Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Dal -thank you for your continuing generosity and kindnesss. You’re a true gem.

[@donnabarnes9021]

❤ Dr. John & Lauren hello beautiful people you must be so happy for your wife and son being home. God bless you 3. Happy Mother day Lauren

[@ValorWarrior5258]

I have always seen it like how DR. John explained some of it: When a person experiences things ( ie. Chad almost drowning), then the memoery re-arranges things in your mind thru experiences later in life, I believe when he started going to those conventions and meetings, his book sales were based on fiction.( he did an interview stating such), then as different ppl started talking around him about " NDE's" and the like, he saw a potential for bigger sales for his books. Then he starts being asked to " speak" at those meetings and conventions. This is ego boost. Ego boost to a man who is fantasy monded to start with ( ie. his references to being like harry potter, going back under his little box under the stairs. The moment he thinks Lori os attracted to him. On the flip side, Lori's fascination with him is " he is an author", and all the other women are enamoured with him, so he became the "competition", she ised on him exactly what she used on all men in her path over the years: Her looks and ability to manipulate through and by her looks! I honestly believe it was the ppl who began gathering around them, listening to them, who fell for what chad and Lori began selling( their sell was for the " attention"), this, the power and control they began feeling they had over those around them grew to the point, chad and Lori began a power struggle between the two, because Lori was NOT in it because OF Chad, she was in it for the power and attention they were getting. When I heard the texts where he was telling her she would lose her protection if she didnt listen to him, he felt threatened of losing HER attention she gave him! We have to remember, there is more evidence that we werent able to see or know about, than what we learned in this trial. I am sure, in the next few trials we will find out MICH more about ithers involved, and more planning and evidence. Zulema didnt get " immunity" for what she testified to in Lori's trial! I am sorry! There is MoRE to this story than we know right now! Sadly, there are ppl who can believe something just enough, to justify killing children! I think this case will teach us, evil comes out in ppl in many forms, but in the end, evil is just that.... evil !

[@lisak5804]

Nice to see you back home❤ I just watched dateline and enjoyed seeing you both on there❤

[@Cindy-Lou-Who-717]

Lauren, take care of yourself. You always have such a professional demeanor, but this trial obviously took an emotional toll on you. Ive been following this story since 2020. It hit me hard back then, but obviously the trial was way more intense than anything the public has witnessed. Take some time to recenter and ground yourself. Sending ❤. Also, sending love to Kay and Larry ❤❤❤

[@sianjones2760]

Hi Both, Lauren thank you for covering this case in person. You've done a great job ❤. Hope you have a wonderful Mother's Day with lots of well deserved rest. In meantime I'm catching up on your previous videos on Chad & lori as i've not started following due to trial. All very interesting. Thank you. From Wales uk. ❤ P.S I would like to wish Grandma Kay Woodstock a a very happy mother's day too. Sending them both lots of love and ❤❤❤

[@ninarosko]

I had to do the rewatch! lol HAPPY MOTHERS DAY LAUREN! May GOD continue blessing you and your beautiful family!

[@christinebarbas6634]

I was glued to the trial, so thankyou Lauren and Dr John...love you guys xx

[@sarahgee]

Following this story from the very beginning, I am still speechless even after the verdict. So sad.

[@KandyMalynn]

I have to say that I absolutely love when you laugh Lauren! You’re just beautiful and I hope you have had a beautiful Mothers Day.

[@sandrabaker1312]

I love listening to Dr John. and Lauren, have a nice rest now.

[@beachgal2]

Thanks for everything you do, Lauren. Happy Mother’s Day!🌸🌸

[@camillemayers103]

We have to remember that in the USA, the court is not designated to adjudicate religion. What it adjudicates is the harm that is done to others. Anything else confounds the legal issues. Addressing blasphemous religiosity belongs in the arena of the church. They can excommunicate them.

[@vonickles5033]

Bittersweet perfect word doc, that's exactly how it feels X btw Charles was a proper pure soul and I felt his angst concussion and betrayal X geez guy thank you and happy happy mother's day to those whom be deserved of that title xx much love

[@maureencaissy6075]

Thank you. Dr. John makes so many brilliant points. There were so many things left unsaid during the trial and Dr. John fills in the empty pieces. He’s so right, this was about more than sex, money and power. Thank you Lauren, glad you are back with your beautiful family. ❤️

[@annakwiatkowska8882]

I'm not sure you'll read this but I'm worried about Colby. I know Dr John has personal connection. I was wondering if he could reach out to him. It must be devastating time for him. I love your channel ❤️ Happy Mother's Day to all🎉❤

[@DonnaLena1]

Thank you for asking Dr John to touch base with Colby. I’m also concerned about his ability to deal with the finality of Lori’s guilty verdict. He’s forced to face the reckoning of what his mother and Chad destroyed when they committed these crimes, even though he had nothing to do with them.

[@vickiec6799]

Thank you for the coverage of the trial. Enjoy your family time. Happy Mother's Day💐

[@nataliecassidy4298]

Thank you Lauren and John for your hard work so that we could get the adio to listen to in this case.❤❤😊😊

[@julee1958]

There are so many things about these people that seem oddly familiar to me, minus the murders thankfully. My LDS BIL had many similarities to Chad. He fancied himself as a more spiritual church member due to his revelations and visions and closeness to the “spirit”. He didn’t claim to be a prophet or write books, but his personality disorders (borderline,narcissism) caused him to manipulate people using these supposed “ gifts.”End times thinking and Julie Rowe prepper following were common among him and his family and friends. His antics created a lot of chaos and trauma in the family. The line between evil and mental illness can sometimes be difficult to discern.

[@elizabethh1111]

I am curious, do you think the reason why Lori was not upset about her children dying as well as not being upset about the guilty verdict is because she still believes in it all so profoundly?

[@TheInstigator1026]

She's all in, believing she's saved them, spiritually speaking.

[@deborah7164]

Yes. I think she truly believes her delusions. She wanted what she wanted, which did boil down to sex, money & power

[@carolmilatz5648]

​@@deborah7164I think the prosecution was really smart in using that theory. They made the pieces fit. They left out the pieces that didn't fit. They also knew how to use drama to affect the guilty verdict. For instance time and time and time again showing the pictures of the dead children and the pieces of Tylee too great effect.

[@rhiannon7163]

Happy Mother's Day Lauren

[@KellyO988]

You guys are my heroes! Love to you both and little man!

[@NaveDelAmor]

I am relaunching and We Will Rock you is being discussed and it flashed across my brain the memory of JJ being weighed down by rocks. It made me shudder. Rest in Peace, angel!

[@mtaylor7307]

Justice allowed JJ to fly out of that grave in his little super hero pjs to rock guilty verdicts. I wished the trials hadn't separated. Both convicted now meant the children could have been returned to their families for burial. So long in bringing them home must be so difficult for their families.

[@nancynoble4291]

Yes, thanks to both of you - between the two of you, you have added a lot of insight for the rest of us. We all know this isn't easy for you, but it IS appreciated!

[@hannelizeweyers3247]

Waiting for the potato salad recipe did kay maybe shared her recipe😊

[@beckyslaughter2299]

Thank you for all you and John do

[@joeindyjoeindy3078]

"the storm'....THE ENDING. I LOVED IT TOO, LAUREN!

[@cassandra3862]

I hope you’re going home soon Lauren, you need to be there and you need rest now.

[@clasijuls1]

I love you guys. You just make sense. Binge watching you from South -Africa.

[@China-Clay]

Happy Mothers Day to you both. I hope you will continue to rest and heal

[@karenlemire5159]

So happy you made it home to be with your boys. Happy Mothers Day!💐💖😊