ASTERION MOLOC - Bringer of Wrath | Warhammer 40k Lore

Today we Elucidate the deeds of the Chapter Master of the Minotaurs Chapter: Asterion Moloc.
A terrifying warrior clad in ancient Tartaros Pattern Tactical Dreadnought Armour, Brazen Warlord of the mysterious 'Cursed Founding' Chapter has gained a near mythical reputation.
Said to be commanded personally by the High Lords of Terra, Asterion charges in to battle as a merciless killer known to have destroying entire Space Marine Chapters who have strayed from the Emperor's light...
(00:00) - Introduction
(02:08) - High Lords' Enforcers
(04:05) - The Brazen Warlord
(06:18) - Emperor's Wrath
(10:00) - Master of Minotaurs
(12:18) - Conclusion
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[@vontheunknown7982]

The minotaurus are a brutal chapter who wouldn't mind destroying a renegade chapters even innocent ones as well.

[@boaz2578]

They don’t even mind attacking custodes

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@boaz2578 It's twice the fun for them, LOL 🤣

[@Alastair_]

@@boaz2578 As strong as they may think they are, they wouldn't stand a chance against the Custodians.

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@Alastair_ They did manage to crack one open.

[@danielcampbell9457]

woah woah woah, relax there time traveler. how did u comment this 3 days ago if the videos only 7 hours old???

[@daverage4729]

Administratum: "You can't cripple an entire chapter in less than a day!?" Moloch: "We won't need an entire day." Perty: "(Sniff!) My boys!!!"

[@synergy8879]

“a day? you insult us, high lords.”

[@ouchpotato2221]

perturbed the primarch would be proud of his brick shithouse of a grandson.

[@ouchpotato2221]

However it seems he still comes short when compared to Bjorn the fell handed.

[@haoo549]

Carcharodons: .... . . . Well, entire chapter fighting in eerie silence so nothing to type here, but proceeded to joining speedrun and ended up scare the dark eldar shit out. Anyway, let's hunt some space bugs and get back to the voids

[@Reyma777]

I personally lean towards the Minotaurs and Marines Malevolent being Iron Warriors. This is due to their brutal, yet highly organized nature and the fact that large numbers of Iron Warriors remained loyal during the Hersey.

[@muzanjackson8827]

The Minotaurs are IW. Besides all the obvious hints, the creator himself has said that.

[@g.sergiusfidenas6650]

If so the Marines Malevolent might had been the prototype upon which the Minotaurs were later perfected, that might explain why both are treated so differently by the great powers of the Imperium as one of them has already outlived its usefulness and has to fight for scraps of equipment while the other gets early access to every bleeding edge advancement.

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

Asterion Moloch actually being Barabus Dantioch is my headcannon...

[@weaboojones2178]

@@ArnoldJudasRimmer.. thank god that’s a headcanon and not official

[@maths23]

The Minotaurs chapter geneseed also have very low rejection rate which was well known among the Iron warriors and there also specialize in seige warfare and are very good at logistics.

[@Theideaspectrum]

The fact that a custodes was nervous and uncertain to face Moloc in battle tells you all you need to know.

[@marcearlsantos9027]

I wonder would a Hetaeron Guard would do the same. But Valoris would just be indifferent.

[@huntermad5668]

The guy was a Shield captain. One.of the Top dog among the Custodes. Even chosen for the Companions but denied by Big E.

[@hazardous8301]

Not just any custodes, but a high ranking NAMED Custodes, who was convinced that only the chief of the Custodes and the only active Primarch could best him, even showing some uncertainty about the former.

[@codycurtin2295]

The Minotaurs are Perturabo's dream for his sons realized. They are the true praetorians of humanity. Though his blood is not made to to construct architects and creators like he hoped, they are the proud destroyer within him turned up to the highest level of animosity. The Minotaurs are the greatest chapter of the Adeptus Astartes. They are distrustful of other chapters and even the Custodes because they *must* know their lineage, for if even Iron can rust, why not Gold? Iron within, iron without.

[@adrienwatson2179]

A theory on that Eadwine (The creator ofnthe Minotaurs chapter) has said theyre Iron warriors gene seed.....so thats open and shut. As for their disteust of Custodes? Asterion Molech is Arik Taranis Last surviving Thunder Warrior Primarch He is a match for A Custodes in combat..(As seen when Another Thunder Warrior Primarch can actually fight Valdor, after murdering a bunch of Dark Angels) But it also explains the mistrust, since we all know how THAT went down

[@codycurtin2295]

​@@adrienwatson2179thats a good theory but im more of a fan of the suit being memory-encoded. Each time Moloch dies a captain takes his place, Asterion Moloch being a title rather than a name. 10,000 years of battle experience would answer for his prowess and why he has died so many times. The only reason I dont like the thunder warrior theory is because they are supposedly genetically volatile and prone to degradation.

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@codycurtin2295 Well my backup for Arik He actually solved the genetic issues with the Thunder Warriors and was able to rejuvenate himself to full strength and potentially live forever.. He also solves the rage degradation and ended up being a brilliant gene crafter and scientist

[@adrienwatson2179]

@@codycurtin2295 That being said We see in the new Cawl novel That you CAN engramatically transfer experiences knowledge and personality to another person Ao its very doable to have him be nultiple people

[@codycurtin2295]

@@adrienwatson2179 and I dont discount your theory entirely because I remember in one of the later horus heresy books we get first hand of a Thunder Warrior who survived longer than most. Arik would be really sick too, and it would explain the Minotaurs sheer brutality. Like the Minotauts are the Grey Knights but angrier lol

[@bigbangrafa8435]

Moloc might not be a cyborg, but 100% machine. The way he follows commands makes me feel he might be a Man of Iron or some other form of archeotech that the High Lords use as a personal enforcer. That's why he keeps coming back, he can literally be rebuilt. A literal android leading a chapter of Iron Warriors successors would be quite ironic, but what do you guys think?

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

I need to read the books he appears in. I hope his expression is never described or he has never removed his helmet!

[@ShinM.]

He is definitely not a man of iron. He's more like the Aeldari Pheonix Lords.

[@angelusumbrae]

Perhaps he is similar to the robots Perturabo used as his praetorians? Perhaps using that kind of form while also having an attached personality, or combination of personalities. So Moloch can have characteristics and idiosyncrasies of human behavior without actually being one.

[@DP-dd6hl]

Rumours he could be a custodian, a first proto primaris with some extra juice made by crawl, a surviving thunder warrior or even a perpetual. No-one knows except probably the highlord administrator or the primarchs, which Imo add to the mystery.

[@ErebosGR]

Irony within, irony without.

[@chrisfrombeyond4240]

I wish the Minotaurs would get more fleshed out in the current narrative. They're what the Iron Warriors should have been but failed to actualize. I'd also kill to see Asterion Moloc tussel with Tyberos the Red Wake.

[@cnut7383]

The space sharks are extremely terrifying and disconnected to the imperium. It seems quite possible for them to be marked renegade and have the Minotaur sent after them because of their reputation

[@rairyugaming1462]

Ahhh someone who wants the same battle as me! Not only is it actually kinda feasible within the setting because of how both the Minotaurs and Carcharodons each operate but Tyberos v Asterion would be such an awesome fight.

[@edgieststalker8141]

@@rairyugaming1462 imagine an all out brawl against the two Primarch-sized chapter masters and having the Lamenters be the ones to witness the carnage

[@VictorIV0310]

@@edgieststalker8141Knowing their luck, they’ll probably be the ones caught in the crossfire.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

As badass as tyberos is He doesn't have the experience or as advanced power armour that Moloc does Tartarus Dreadnought armour is literally just better in every way

[@TheKalZul]

Moloc is a true badass to make a Custodes take pause in battle, but it's funny that one of the first pictures you showed was of probably the only other chapter master who could take him: Tyberos The Red Wake.

[@GotrekGurnisson]

I think he is a retired custode. That’s why they noticed. They recognized their own. I bet when he retired he’s like if I can’t solve problems here I’ll solve big problems and control these volatile children for big E as they are designed to be.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

​@@GotrekGurnissoncustodes would never blindly follow the orders of the high lord's Nor would one even want to lead marines Plus it's already canon that custodes become spies, information gathers etc when they retire

[@GotrekGurnisson]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 there is a custode on the high lords, we have very little detail other than that broad “spies” retirement plan. And I find my idea fun which is the whole point of this :3

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

​​@@GotrekGurnissonagain a custode would never blindly follow the orders of the high LORDS, plural not the singular custode high lord Learn to read Again custodes would fucking despise working inside a marine chapter as they view space marines to be one of the biggest problems as to why the imperium is in its current state

[@ElenaWraithSevatarion]

After what happened with the Lamenters... I love to hate you 🎶🎵

[@burnpitcav1519]

Yesss, the Minotaurs are badass when the custodes say it will take 4 strokes instead of the three strokes it normally takes to kill space marines. On a serious note, I love the Minotaurs and I hope the get more books/spotlight.

[@Joseph-mw2rl]

I can imagine custodian Oenas seperating and holding both astartes by the head and saying: okay kids that's enough

[@Mr._Galaxywide]

My favorite theory as to Moloc's true identity is that he is Arik Taranis. It help explains his immense size strength and durability as well as his legendary skill.

[@benhur933]

I agree, Thunder warriors are the only ones who could hold a candle to the custodes.

[@drksideofthewal]

If he were a Thunder Warrior it would explain his dedication to killing Astartes.

[@Mary-dc6js]

I agree, that's my theory as well for a number of reasons.

[@liberatetutemeexinferis5902]

This bastard is over 10 ft tall and even Custodes are afraid of him.

[@caseypiper11]

The death korp must loooove this chapter. Unnecessary death and destruction? Gas mask excitement noise intensifies

[@Rockcrusher22895]

(I saw them. I saw just how far these Angels of Death would go to end a conflict. The Manta Tributors Chapter had for centuries been seen as true defenders of Humanity within the Metelel Sub-Sector. They defended the worlds from many attackers and invaders ranging from Orks, Eldar, and Heretical elements of traitorous humans rebels. But, when they themselves decided to suddenly break away from the Imperium to better defend their territory........that was when the Minotaurs were unleashed upon them. The campaign lasted for just two years but, the death toll was extreme unlike any I have barred witness to in my many decades of service to the Emperor. But, nothing compared to the final end of the Tributors and the slaughter that was unleashed by the one who leads the Minotaurs. I only saw through vox-picts but, every image will stay in my memory for the rest of my life.....the Chapter Master named Asterion Moloc slaughtered all before him like a rampaging beast that broke free from its chains. The Astartes that tried to fight back were thrown and carved apart by his mighty spear like mere leafs on the wind. The fighting only lasted for just six hours but, the bloodbath that happened was unbelievable. No member of the Manta Tributors Chapter was spared by the Minotuars brutal and methodical purge........however, it didn't end there. The warlord of the Minotaurs ordered that every world in this Sub-Sector be put to the sword for siding with the renegade Chapter for punishment and retribution. This act only laster two weeks but, saw the death of billions of innocents, no matter if their men, women, children, innocent or guilty, the whole Sub-Sector was cleansed with no prisoners nor survivors spared. I thought nothing would inspired dread for fear in me since I first served under the High Lords personal attaché to the Minotaurs.......until that gloryless bloodbath and purge I still suffer to clear from my mind even as I write this memoir to never forget the horrible deeds done to defend the Imperium of Man.) --Memoir of Viktor Alexander, High Lord of Terra's personal attaché to the Minotaurs Chapter to oversee the purge and retribution against the renegade Manta Tributors Chapter and other treasonous elements in the Metelel Sub-Sector

[@dumaland5701]

Damn, had been waiting for this for a long time since there isn't a lot of video on the man himself

[@Diomedes_XXII]

"The beast, the bronze beast in the darkness, footsteps, it never tired, it just kept coming! We didn't stand a chance... wherever we turned, we could not escape, never escape!"

[@bobolos23]

Spartans in SPACE! Awsome video :)

[@oatlord]

I legit was nervous reading that scene. When moloc came out I thought people were about to die.

[@connorcmsmith4302]

Moloc vs Tyberos 1 on 1 even Khorne would buy front row seats

[@AlphaOmegon]

Perturabo might be petty in the eyes of many, but his efficiency is undeniable.

[@kindasupersonic7114]

I genuinely think the Minotaur's are a highbred of Iron warriors and Death Guard .. Especially since this Chapter was founded by the High lords of Terra. Their level of access was absolute, and would most definitely have a chapter, loyal to them only as an insurance policy.

[@adrienwatson2179]

Eadwine brown (The creator and play tester behind Badab and thr Minotaurs at GW) Posted on Twitter that the Minotaurs are in fact Iron Warrior Geneseed. So your theory is pretty spot on lol Not very Lore-ish...being that the reveal was outside of the story/setting lol

[@inthefade]

hybrid

[@Overanalyse_This]

​@@inthefadehibread

[@ashalley]

This Asterion Moloc guy seems like the kind of guy who everyone would love to see brutally killed by the hero but will keep surviving and plaguing the heroe. He is the kind of the guy who everyone loathes and wants to die but does not and keeps killing beloved heroes.

[@Tython01]

I’ve always loved the cursed founding chapters, such an interesting mystery and group of characters. Thank you for shining some more light on them.

[@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd]

Would love to see a battle between between the iron warriors and minotaurs

[@minoruiruma414]

Now we need a Deathbattle between Asterion Moloc versus Tyberos the Red Wake

[@TheJonnieredeyez]

Savage yet Civilized.

[@w.murphy5151]

Definitely need a story about the minators fighting the iron warriors

[@guilliman1990]

Nah they are iron warriors don't want them fighting

[@pcwarduke2055]

would love to see Asterion and Tyberos fighting back to back

[@TheKalZul]

It'd be a very "I'm not stuck in here with you...!" moment to have the two probably most dangerous Chapter Masters working together.

[@gunjinrieper4062]

I always imagine Kaldor Drago reappears from the warp then hand picks Tyberos, Moloc, Cypher, and Astorath and create a temporary avengers team for one particular mission

[@specialed1420]

The minatours are wild

[@theadventuresoftheangrysno8411]

Ah the poor Lamentors...Running into the Minotaurs was just another cruel step for them.

[@warmuptheleftovers]

Mind you, the Lamentors were able to kill a few Minotaurs. They went down with a fight.

[@peterga3658]

nice video man as always hope we get some Eldar Dark Eldar Necron Lore too

[@vontheunknown7982]

I definitely think the minotaurs are from the iron warriors to the fact they sometimes attack their allies, But what do you guys think?

[@SamueL-td7fb]

Mixed with World Eaters to make sure they are the biggest assholes in the galaxy

[@adrienwatson2179]

Eadwine Brown, The creator of the Minotaurs chapter has said "They are iron warriors succesors" so yeah They are lol

[@keitholiver6152]

Linking this to the legendary thunder warrior Teranus, I think it is possible he is a perpetual, as a long shot not mentioned. Would of helped for his experimentations to fix the thunder warriors degenerating or taking the gene seed

[@DP-dd6hl]

Outstanding vid, well done. I'm sharing everywhere.

[@racspartan1]

This was Fantastic. 👍. Loved it. Well Done.

[@yopoxikeweapescai9066]

I love guys like moloc, villains for their actions yet deserving of a spotlight

[@alidanial888]

Your videos are always high quality, continue thy great labor

[@MightyGalvatron]

I'd like to see him fight Kharn.

[@alanmunilla7196]

Moloc bullies chaos marines to take their lunch money just like Kharn, I bet they might recognize that about each other while they fight lol

[@GotrekGurnisson]

I think he’s a Custodes who started to slow due to age (if they slow by a nanosecond they retire and go out to find other ways to serve) who jacked a new founding and is using his old contacts to get the best gear and services. Given their lore predates our knowledge of the custodes practice of doing the whole lone operative retirement GW didn’t have it in the plans but it’s very fertile soil for it

[@chucklytell]

What an awesome b-day catch, and MAYBE the best outro excerpt so far, great job on a wild astartes brother

[@TheRemembrancer]

Happy Birthday Brother!

[@flavione84]

Imo he is the strongest SM. But its terifing that some Grand or Chapter Masters have to obey the Inquisition or the Admin leaders. Imo they should take orders only from Primarks and the Emperor. Not to mention that almost starting a war vs the Custodes, on Terra, is similar to heresy.

[@DP-dd6hl]

But now they obey the new Highlord administrator which was chosen directly by Gulliman, so they are fully under control.... for now I guess lol

[@adrienwatson2179]

Ill bet anything that Asterion is actually Arik Taranis, Primarch of the Thunder Warriors, The Throne Slayer

[@lord-commander4732]

I can see the Iron Warrior influence, but I think there is some World Eater sprinkled in there.

[@mykelengieza7057]

another great vid

[@Taydutt13]

This is amazing. I am currently listening to the infinite and the divine. I'm probably gonna read dante next.. which reminds me Dante could use some elucidation. I can not wait to read about him crossing the Rubicon

[@marcteissier4016]

Always a pleasure to hear while painting my Space Marines.

[@Yacovo]

Thanks for the video

[@angusoldwolf295]

Well done Sir!!!

[@mikeylejan8849]

The minotaurs were even willing to take on Primarch during the hexarchy crisis.

[@Drakenfoul]

*Yea, he's a badass of epic perpotions, but, he dosnt quite messure up to my nr 1 guy: Tyberos, The red wake. Stellar lore vid Battle Brother, as always.* *we of the Legion of the damed always pay close atention to your Voxcasts*

[@MandoSki464]

My thing is, how in the world the custodes haven’t figured out a way to insert spy’s into the Minotaurs or infiltrate themselves somehow. I mean the chapter is a monster that they now know can be wielded against them just as easily as any renegade chapter. If the imperial fists actively think that the custodes have put spy’s on the phalanx to watch the IF then I can only imagine what they’ve done to keeps tabs on the Minotaurs.

[@scorpiontdalpha9799]

9 months late but Minotaur has a high casualty rate so there is chance that the spies are dead

[@blagojpejov4155]

The Minotaurs are ruthless chapter who knows how many loyalist chapters were destroyed after they were framed by heresy

[@mr.greenthumb8446]

May the Emporer bless me with a Carcharodons chapter release of any kind. By Sanguinius's teeth do you do these angels of death proud. Continue the transmission 💯 & Emperor bless you in kind!

[@darthbloodborn]

the minotaurs are in my opinion iron warrior lackies of the high lords

[@declaration9704]

I love this channel

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

No other chapter can be so enamerating & generate such insane contempt. Not even Alpha. The "Stooges" of the High Lords. Forget being from traitorous Gene seed alone...add Custodes? Many thanx Master Narrator. ...............The Emperor Protects the master gamesman.......

[@konradcurze4541]

Man I'm gonna be honest. The whole "only answers to the administratum " thing reeks of heresy. I mean look at old Vandire and his shenanigans

[@johnnykobra7256]

The Red Wake •VS• Asterion Moloc Place yer bets! Place your bets in the comments? Your choice and why??

[@olknoxlo]

Is it possible Moloc is a perpetual? I feel like more direct hints would have been made, But the dude does have a menacing aura that even custodes take note of.

[@non-applicable3548]

I read that as "Is Moloch Pregnant?"

[@olknoxlo]

@@non-applicable3548 That was my next question to be fair

[@rumhound5903]

BRAVO 👏

[@stonetoadsteveaustin6132]

We need a long video on the great Marneus Calgar

[@toddthompson2782]

Would love to see a throw down with Moloc and Tyberos.

[@Jelle1880]

I would love to see Moloc and Tyberos face each other.

[@DD8842]

The regent needs to get in the room with jis pet tech prist and make him talk about these guys. That man knows something

[@chrisfrombeyond4240]

I would also postulate that Moloc may in fact be a clone of Perturabo himself, purged of his genetic memories. Would explain why he seemingly cannot be killed.

[@adrienwatson2179]

My theory is that hes Arik Taranis Primarch of the Thunder Warriors... "The Throne Slayer" We know he solved the Genetic issues of the Thunder warrior genetics and can rejuvenate himself. We also knownhe arpind Custodes level, which explains why a Custodes didnt think he could win against him

[@TheTyrantOfMars]

Would really love to see them go toe to toe with the Charcaradon Astra 🦈

[@DP-dd6hl]

It would certainly be a blood a blood bath. However regardless of who comes on top the main difference will be the minos will bounce back to full strength in very short time as they have literally endless material support and resources from the high Lords. Unfortunately the sharks would be crippled for a long time if they survive at all. Worse we could see the death of Tyberos which would be such a loss, whilst Moloc if he were to lose would simply reappear later again with even more experience. I'd rather a novel of both working g side by side to crush a xenos threat where both side respect each other what they are. Just my hopes lol

[@randomcenturion7264]

And yet somehow, these guys and the Salamanders got along pretty well during the Badab War.

[@NancyDLaw]

Great video . Tho not a big fun of minotaurs. Anyway hope we get some Eldar lore at some point

[@crazysithslave]

I wish they had these as official figures by GW... the only chapter that could take me away from my beloved dark angels

[@kylea1245]

Who would win? Mawloc or the Red Wake?

[@rairyugaming1462]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it a million times but within the lore the fight I’d love to see most would be Asterion vs Tyberos 👀 By the Emperor would that be a glorious battle

[@digitalcommunist6335]

Tyberos all the way.

[@rairyugaming1462]

@@digitalcommunist6335 honestly as awesome as Shark Daddy is I kinda lean towards Asterion in a 1 v 1

[@Overanalyse_This]

Please do Tyberos the Red Wake next!!!

[@shipmate3577]

he’s Ferris Manus body with a robotic head

[@eichler721]

I would love to see a Minotaurs vs Carcaradonnes fight.

[@Lomhow]

I always think about instances of Custodes stepping down from their post when they bear too many scars or imperfections. Then I hear about a massive ancient space marine carrying a Custodian spear who no one legitimately knows... color suspicious cause something is going on here. If Moloc DID die multiple times (which I think is not impossible) how do they make more Custodian style spears? If he's lost in space or dead with no real chance of recovery... but he has the spear with him *all the time* that could imply the spear is replaceable with the man... Big dude, fancy legendary ancient armor, hyper faction specific and rarely made weapon, forbidden records, etc. He sounds more like a character from the Custodes. So much potential... I will say the Death Watch captains get cool Custodian spears. So it's not impossible for a space marine to get one...

[@-Thunder-Warrior-]

"I know what you are."

[@stewartthorpe2533]

Valrak be damned. The Minotaurs are the most interesting sons of Dorn 🙂

[@falconer7447]

Not Dorn. Perturabo.

[@adrienwatson2179]

​@@falconer7447Yup Iron Warriors Gene seed

[@jeffcardwell1800]

I think that’s why the emperor ignored and treat pretruabo the way he did. If he gave him what he need and went traitor they’d be unstoppable. That why he handicapped certain sons.

[@ChromisPasqueflowerBowerbird]

In my headcannon he's a surviving thunderwarrior

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

I like the theory that Moloc isn't one person but a office held by the custodes.

[@megafeendirk9616]

tyberos > asterion.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

Finding out that that was a member of the Adeptus Custodes getting ready to soil himself, and how patently disrespectful Moloc is, is a recipe for disaster. Quite frankly, though, if a member of the Custodes - holding the rank of Shield Captain - is getting covered with chicken skin that easily, maybe he should consider retirement.

[@DP-dd6hl]

Maybe Valerian knew something the others didn't when facing Moloc, who knows.

[@theganjacologist2819]

Ahh hell yes!!

[@roberteduardtecsy2527]

Hello, I just want to say that you have a great oratorical gift, I'm not much of an expert in 40k lore but I always listen to your stories, you're doing a great job keep it up.

[@dfool06]

My personal theory: Let us first eliminate some possibilities. 1. He's a robot or something mechanical. I think this is false because the way he carries himself, the way he moves shows his arrogance and overwhelming confidence. He has swagger. He knows he is powerful and the beings in front of him are mere animals for sacrifice. A robot will not show this, a robot will simply execute its orders and will not swag and taunt subtly. 2. He is a surviving Thunder Warrior. I think this is false because the last thunder warriors that were found surviving in the 41st millennium still shows the same reason they were replaced in the first place. The cancers, gene flaws and mental instabilities, there is no more room for growth for them. It is proven that Custodes are superior to Thunder Warriors so Moloc is not a thunder warrior because Custodes second guess themselves around him. 3. He is a Primaris Prototype. I think this is also false because his power level is clearly near Primarch level (maybe a few cuts below or somewhere between custodes and Primarchs). Custodes hesitate to face him. Do you think Dante, Grimnar, Seth, Calgar, Azrael and Helbrecht would stand a chance against him? The only ones I think can face Moloc is Tyberos and Draigo. Tyberos is I think a Raven Guard that was jackep up by warp mutations, just look at his face. Draigo have the Emperor's gene seed and have superior Psyker powers. 4. He is Custodes or a retired Custodes. This is false to me. Custodes only have 1 master. Even when they were subjected to the control of external powers they literally shed tears of blood before turning against the Emperor. Maybe Asterion was ordered by the Emperor to follow the High Lords but I doubt it. The Custodes are a very close brotherhood, they would surely recognized one of their own. What I think Moloc really is: Let us consider how he maybe created. He is the High Lord's personal pet. The very same High Lords who have access to nearly all the resources of the Imperium. 1. He is a Primarch clone. I don't know exactly which Primarch but we all know it is possible and its been done more than once. The Primarchs come and go in Holy Terra before the Heresy and after the Heresy I bet the High Lords with its wide networks surely know the locations of one or 2 Primarchs to take samples. 2. He is a Chimera Astartes. High Lords have access to the gene seed stocks of every gene line. Maybe Asterion was created using multiple Primarch gene seed. I bet he has Vulkans gene seed and he is maybe a perpetual since he keeps coming back. The only reason I can think of why he is unique is because maybe he is the only one that survives the process until now. Or somewhere in the deepest most secret areas of Holy Terra there are thousands like him just in stasis waiting to be unleashed like the Primaris. 3. He is a custom made Custodes or a Custodes 2.0. Meaning a Custodes that was made by non conventional processes. Custodes are made in Holy Terra for thousand of years. The High Lords using their power and influence can just hijack one of the labs and create their their personal custodes pet. But I doubt it this one since that means they will still be using the Emperor's gene seed and I think that is one crucial factor why Custodes are super loyal to the Emperor.

[@patricknellis2375]

I believe that Moloc revives how Blood Angels commanders revived in 30k. A space marine eats the brains of the deceased chapter master and gets overwhelmed with past experiences and becomes the old chapter master.

[@MrJedimedic]

Moloc v. the Red Wake….

[@chanceholland8153]

Yess!!!!!

[@farmsalot1233]

Astarion is a lost primarch.

[@JasonDHLJ]

Still interesting characters cool and high underrated by GW I wanted a new model of Minotaur ?! [Is simple Astartes spartan in 40k millennium ?!]

[@edmundthespiffing2920]

After the Iyanden Quiz, you should start doing Xenos lore to finally take your revange!

[@miketurner2945]

I think they are a hybrid of custodes and death guard.

[@Megametalwolf]

Could he be a cyborg perturabo ?

[@DoomDarkness]

Second legion confirmed!

[@samdegoeij6576]

A commander who scares everybody even all Xenos and Primarchs.

[@kayvaanmcsharrowkyn6901]

It makes perfect sense for him to be a man of iron, because all roxcalibur had to do was hold up her symbol of office and he basically stopped which means somewhere inside that symbol of office I guarantee you is some in Graham or algorithmic chip that literally when he sees it causes his battle frenzy or wherever modi's in to shut down and go to Placid mode and then he accepts orders and then goes away every time he dies he's rebuilt he is ancient architect and anyone who would ask will hold they get their hands on that during the unification Wars all of the technology went into the Vault Under The Palace so it would be very simple for the high Lords of Terra to get their hands on some shutdown men of iron and then oh look we've got an iron Warriors chapter and there was a Minotaur chapter before this so let's just take those Minotaur chapter right there and we'll just give him a man of iron as a chapter master and we'll just code them with engrams and turn them into our own personal little play chapter and this way I just does whatever we want it to. What would be hilarious though is the day where moloch turns on the Lords of Terra just like his Brethren did during the men of iron Wars

[@cvi4057]

I believe Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists. And Asterion a Thunder Warrior upgraded with dark age tech.

[@cody1570]

Tyberos vs Maloch who wins?

[@user-sh9fj5hp1s]

А Фафнир и Редлос будет?