Astra Militarum vs Thousand Sons Chaos Space Marines Warhammer 40K Battle Report 10th Ed 2000pts

[@18thCadianArmyGroup]

“Cadia Stands!” 🔥😎🔥

[@Lvl62Charizard]

Before Magnus was reunited with his legion in the 30k time they were suffering from the Flesh Change where they would wildly mutate into mindless monstrosities. By the time Magnus was reunited with them and solved the problem, there were only 1000 of his legion left. Hence, they became the Thousand Sons

[@fboylan16]

In ruins! 😈

[@jorzolek01]

This is not going to end well, I wish the guard list was just a little more optimized.

[@kurtm1943]

nobody dresses a table better than SS82

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Thank you🙂

[@LordViru]

Thousand Suns rough numbers through the Heresy varied dramatically - pre Magnus they went down to only 1000 marines, once they found Magnus and he made a deal with Tzeentch they boosted back up to ~30-50k marines, but after the fall of Prospero they were back down to barely 1000 Marines. Since the heresy they use a lot of time and warp shenanigans to prevent a lot of their casualties being dead forever so they are still about 1000 marines.

[@OFFCODEV2]

James cracks me up ,when u threatened to flame attack his cadians "Time to kill " ,

[@StrikingScorpion82]

😂👍

[@adampogatshnik6833]

It doesnt have to do with the 1000 limit on space marines in the codex astartes, as Thousand Sons (being traitors) never adopted the Codex Astartes anyway. At their creation the Emperor created 1000 space marines for the genesis of the XV legion, and it was the Emperor that named them the Thousand Sons. Interestingly, one of the 1000 was Arhiman. Surely one of the oldest space marines in the setting!

[@Onk3lM0]

Jup. People always go on about how old Dante is. Ahriman got him beat by a long shot. Ahriman is so old, he was alive during the unification wars of Terra itself!

[@aronrowley411]

I love guard artillery but it has took a hit with the new born soldiers rule. Unit must be visible so if you are shooting something out of line of sight, you don't get the lethal hits.

[@Sparks1980]

Poor James. Hold the line, keep the faith. For tomorrow we march for Macragge. Courage and honour.

[@StrikingScorpion82]

😎😎👍

[@sebzninja6135]

Before I watch, I would like to tell you of something I believed you misconceived which will make a difference in this battle. In your last battle report and your first time using Magnus, you said, and I quote 'Magnus is not as good in close combat as he at shooting'. Let me offer a different perspective. 7 attacks, 2s, strength 16 ap-3 dmg 3 which is 1 more ap than his gaze of Magnus (his only hard hitting shooting attack) and the same damage. gaze of Magnus is 3D3 number of attacks, to get 7 attacks you would need to roll above average. And gaze of Magnus is only strength 9, meaning 5s to wound against the toughness 11-12 stuff of 10th ed, compared to the 3s in combat against toughness 12 units with magnus' strength 16. Arguably his statline in melee is better than it is in shooting, potentially solely because his strength in melee is so clutch in a lot of forseeable situations... Yet magnus is one of the best psykers in the galaxy, ergo his psychic/shooting abilities should potentially be better than he is in melee, classic games workshop. Furthermore in the same way that you have deflated your opinions about his melee, you have inflated your opinions about his actual shooting potential; each time he was used to shoot you used a command point to buff him and even then he could barely take down a wounded dreadnought in shooting. Respectfully, from my experience, projecting opinions onto my units from subpar rolling is an unfair and unjust way of judging unit performance, and judging them highly because you spiked should also be taken with a grain of salt. But you have years of experience on me, I should not be one to judge.

[@StrikingScorpion82]

This is excellent feedback. Noted and thank you🙂👍

[@sebzninja6135]

@@StrikingScorpion82 I'm glad I could help! I considered just leaving it at that, but there is something else I can't fail to at least mention. After watching you since early 9th ed, this channel holds a special place in my heart in comparison to all the other battle report channels out there. Through the ups and downs of the channel; your various guests coming and going, Aaron leaving, and now Tom, your battle reports have become personal with me. Especially due to your kindness to your opponents, unshakeable mentality even against the worst luck on the tabletop (which sometimes you are plagued by), and general personality make me want to see you win more than anything! I have no idea how despite the odds you remain impartial, and I just want to say that its okay to let some of your emotion and desire to win out, in fact its healthy! I know you have a connection to the units that you paint so wonderfully; you don't have to be impartial for us at home, let some of your competitiveness out, go for that win, do your army and yourself justice. Out of anyone on the channel you deserve it! I know Tom is no longer on the channel.... but it doesn't mean we still can't have a little healthy, competitive salt!🧂 Feel free to ignore my stupid rantings! (I mean it, please feel free to if you wish) EDIT: Rubric marines are a staple in your list, but I'm not sure about the flamers, they were designed to hold objectives, and aren't really meant for melee, the bolter would have a lot more general use due to the range. Added to the fact that the higher strength on the bolter, will make a rather significant difference. I like your terminators, they are a classic addition to the list, but they aren't a staple like the rubrics are, they dont particularly deal well with heavier, tougher targets, you may not want to keep them in the list. But if you do decide that they should stay, at least consider being slightly more reserved about deepstriking them in. At the very least I would suggest changing out the maulerfiends, there are many more objectively better units in the roster to choose from., such as the mutalith vortex beast which is only a little more points but around the same in combat, arguably better against the rank and file in melee, better at shooting and more useful during the psychic phase. At the current moment, you have a lot of units to deal with low/mid tier toughness, but only Magnus and two inconsistent maulerfiends (ap-2 on the fists makes them extremely underpowered) that may not get into combat, for taking down high toughness units. Some other units you might consider to replace them could include forgefiends, vindicators, helbrutes, defilers etc...

[@ikarian8318]

Ahriman can fit well with a Rubric Flamer squad, granting +1 to wound...

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Yes exactly💯🙂

[@luckylizardstudio]

Oooooh another juicy battle report to digest ❤

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Enjoy🙂👍

[@yesiamarussianbot3076]

Astra mili what now, you're in the guard son. Glory, Glory to James.

[@Zoltankh]

A couple of moments: Firestorm does not have devastating wounds. Since you picked the sustained hits James had to roll saves from it. However, Icon of flame gives you an additional AP- on crits, so part of those flamer wounds were AP-2

[@fboylan16]

It has the psychic key word and so gains devastating wounds through the "kindred sorcery" detachment rule

[@Zoltankh]

@fboylan16 yeah. Kindred sorcery has 3 options. Luke played the option that gives him Sustained Hits

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Thank you for pointing out🙂

[@chrishoughton2500]

Love to see the classic guard coming out to play !!! Throw them into next years ss82 tournament !!!!!

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Yes we may be doing that👍😎

[@GuyfromStoke6084]

Friday morning means just one thing, WAR!!!!

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Thats the spirit👍😎🙂🤣

[@jellejoe9356]

Amazing game... If I were to be allowed a future army suggestion, I would like to see some Death Guard action on the channel. Can see James, in his hatred for Magnus and Tzeentch, turn to Grandfather Nurgle in his desperation to get back at him :) Great game guys

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Yes good faction suggestion🙂😎👍

[@andrebrooks1961]

Maybe it's me? But I think the Thousand sons are broken, I would not want to play against them

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Oh yes...unlimited power! 😎🙂🤣

[@Dimes607]

Armed with nothing but a flashlight, a knife, brass balls and their faith in the God emperor. Demonstrate the indomitable human spirit to these traitors!

[@rogerturner1191]

You say you don’t rate Magnus’s melee all that highly. But, remember: his melee attacks are psychic. You can pay a CP for rerolling of all hits and would. You at also plus one to hit and wound. He’ll be wounding everything on 2s. His weapon is dev wounds. He can fairly easily obliterate anything he comes into contact with. His combat is scary!

[@ob1kaboozie914]

Can't use the reroll strat during fight phase, only shooting. His melee does still benefit from the Kindred Sorcery rule, so sustain or dev are still there. Other thing to keep in mind is that Magnus has crazy good movement, 14" with fly, can be buffed with his +2" movement for 16", or throw in temporal surge for up to 32" of movement at the cost of not charging. Magnus should always be able to reposition to line up a shot or buff the rest of the army.

[@sr3dniv103]

lol @ "A Bellowing Imperial Zealot"

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

This should be quite good. ❤

[@XIIIJerry]

Man it can be frustrating playing against an army that essentially has a second list of stratagems that are free

[@StrikingScorpion82]

Layers of tricks😎👍😅

[@DK-zl5gb]

Not really, though. Every army has faction and detachment rules. This is just the Thousand Sons'.

[@orpheusepiphanes2797]

Theyre not free. Every unit and character that generates them has it priced in....and it isnt cheap

[@fluffcrunchmini4572]

Was that rogal dorn tank bitten by a radioactive spider? 😂

[@troy6882]

😃😄😁😆😅 5 Smile's one for glueing to Magnus as the dice is the warp roll Magnus Roll it.... special play relics to wield against your enemy 😮.

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

JAMES SHOUT YOUR BELIEVE IN THE EMPEROR! YOU WILL BE VICTORIOUS.

[@eltrowel]

Magnus continues his legacy of wrongdoing. Keep up the good fight, James!

[@chris-comiskey]

Mystery surprise guest for CTS you say? Could Tom be back for a cameo in a holiday special? 😄

[@StrikingScorpion82]

lol. Who knows!:)

[@ThomasStewart-y6p]

I really enjoy watching your channel and I have a suggestion for a fight. I would love to see a ork vs tyranid apocalypse game. That would be something

[@jonathanwelch204]

YEAH!!! FIRST COMMENT!!! But seriously. I love watching these reports while I paint and work on my various mini hobbies. Thank you for all the years of amazing content and inspiration. ❤

[@StrikingScorpion82]

No problem. Thanks for tuning in:)

[@danielrigione58]

I play against Magnus regularly as my brother has the sons, the only thing I find that can regularly hurt him is the hounds of morkai with my wolves, is about the only thing they are good for!

[@baloonfart8082]

Two great armies that I am a fan of. May the best force win.

[@xeno7379]

The thousand marines thing only applies to codex compliant imperial chapters, Guilliman wanted to break up the legions post heresy so tens of thousands of marines couldn't all go rogue at the same time. I believe they are called The Thousand Sons because the initial intake for the legion involved enhancing and training 1000 aspirants up to full marines before fully ramping up intake at a later date

[@Vichyssoise1000]

You want an Imperial faction to take up the ravening chaos and xenos factions. Look no further than the Admech and their new detatchment.

[@NicolaiVE]

When Magnus got his Legion, they were already cursed with an unstable gene seed and only about a thousand were presented to him in oposition to other legions who indeed were much larger. Magnus tried to find a solution for this flesh change as the defect became known and made a pact with an entity in the warp who he tought he could be the boss of. Of course this entity was Tzeench al along who was in the first place responsible for the flesh change curse. They say Magnus did noting wrong.... But his hubris, the belief he was the smartest one made him take a big number of very wrong decisions and thus he did everything wrong ^^

[@dixie9700]

As commander of the exterminator I give the Order to exterminate exterminate for the emperor

[@taylorbotnewsomtest5860]

Fourth! Good enough for me. Guard always seems to get rekked on this channel but I hope they at least put up a helluva fight this time!

[@2112pjm]

I wonder if Guard have any good stratagems? James seems to rely on overwatch and command re roll too much

[@thezoidforge9211]

James, I think the quieter you've been in the battle reports, the worse your dice rolls have been. You need to go back to 100% volume. Get back into Luke's head, he CANNOT HANDLE THE GLORY! THE GLORY IS TOO STRONG! GO FETCH THE BANEBLADE!

[@StrikingScorpion82]

I hope James doesn't read this! lol:)

[@DrTurnerJr]

Yessss

[@johnnyutah892]

I’m guessing, and it is only a guess, in the early days of the game, they were named a thousand sons as space marines had a 1000, and since then the lore has been developed and no it doesn’t really fit. I suspect it’s nothing more sophisticated than that. But that’s a guess.

[@ZenoTypeX2]

Second