$1,000 vs. $10,000 Telescope (Same Picture)

[@AlanHowellphotovideo]

The quality of each image is top notch. Very impressive detail for the exposure times on each one and most importantly, a great adventure for you both together. Trevor's pic gains a lot from the color separation but Ash has a better smile so she wins.

[@AstroBackyard]

Agreed!

[@sissitrudi2010]

Wow! Comparativa interessante, peccato le camere non fossero entrambe a colori, a Trevor piace vincere facile 🤣😂

[@thyranusrex2263]

@@sissitrudi2010 é vero,rsssss

[@martynh5410]

Wonderful comparison!! I’ll take the $10 billion telescope. Thanks! For the Earthbound scopes though I’d say it’s a tie. Both are well captured and processed. Certainly that Redcat is a great 51mm scope!

[@perry3928]

No comparison, you both win, on 2 points. 1 Awesome job of capturing and love the two different perspectives from two different rigs. 2, and most importantly, enjoying the hobby as a couple. How fun is that!

[@flyboypat]

I'm holding out for the $10,000,000,000 telescope! Altho the $10,000 was very impressive

[@Sciguy95]

Yeah the JWSTs images have been outstanding.

[@krisdeaglephotography4539]

Couple more weeks and you’ll get there.

[@Weloveants]

JWST is cool

[@Dauda31]

that much should get you a space ship and you could go visit theses places

[@mashpotatomountainobserver3338]

Ashley has become a good astrophotographer herself! Both photos were great in their own way.

[@Spaceandthings1]

I love these, I am a begginer astronomer Saving for my first camera. Trevor always gives me great tips throughout the videos. Keep it up!

[@lazy_panda_plays9970]

Same here! Bought a redcat 51 about 3 weeks ago and I'm saving for an asi183mc for those small pixels. Already have my asiair and cannot wait!

[@AstroBackyard]

I am glad to hear that!! Clear skies 😊

[@joshmccollumastrophotography]

@@lazy_panda_plays9970 I own the exact same setup (except my 183 is a mono-camera) I'm telling you it's amazing. It's a bit awkward to fit big things like North America or M 31, but even small targets do really well. The Redcat is beautifully sharp, even with a small pixel scale. You made the right choice, I hope the absolute best for what is to come!

[@lepetitbaigneur9073]

​@@joshmccollumastrophotographywhat do you mean? Do you have enough fov for andromeda? Im looking for an identic rig

[@lazy_panda_plays9970]

@@joshmccollumastrophotography yeah Thanks! I've noticed the sensor is a bit small but for larger targets I plan to mosaic. I was debating the 183 or 533 but went with 183 for better sampling.

[@DreadPirateRobertson-l4f]

Perhaps this has been requested in the many comments already posted, but it would be fascinating to see the results of a 'Round 2' comparison where camera/filter rigs are switched. I'd love to see RGB from the big scope and SHO/narrowband results from the smaller one. As far as the vote? Both are great. Judge them by their merits in the context of the capabilities of their equipment.

[@jameskurzynski2386]

Excellent images! Way beyond my ability for sure! I want to vote for Ashley's images simply because it seemed like Trevor was a little too giddy about how much better his setup was than Ash's. ;) Still, both images were far better than anything I could do. Great job both of you!

[@JohnRichards_Astro]

Interesting comparison! Both images were great. Not sure if it was fair to process Ashley's image as RGB and the other as SHO, since the SHO is more colorful. An identical closeup view of the Pillars of Creation with both scopes would provide a nice contrast as to the level of detail capable and different in both scopes/cameras. The Redcat with the ASI2400MC gives an image scale of 4.9 sec/pixel. The Esprit 150 with the ASI2600MM gives an image scale of .74 sec/pixel. It would have been nice if the image scales for both telescopes were closer. I personally use a Redcat 51 and a 102mm refractor.

[@spawn142001]

I'm just a fan of the pictures, don't know much about the process. But how is this a fair and proper compare and contrast when one image is completely red and the other is in full color? I'm assuming most of thats done post processing? We all expected the more expensive setup to have some kind of noticeable difference for the price.... but now we're comparing apples to oranges and obviously the full color image blows the other out of the water. Does not seem fair in the slightest and this makes the comparison more extreme and less realistic/comparable.

[@speedymarc]

Ya I also agree with you, it should be all the same, same camera, same settings, no processing and no stack, just 1 shot in RAW of 5 seconds for example, side by side.

[@Эль-Цзи]

Why do I need a Redcat if I have a 102 mm telescope?

[@JohnRichards_Astro]

@@Эль-Цзи The RedCat 51 is for a wider field of view, to capture large nebulosity regions, like the Sadr region, or to capture both the Soul and Heart nebulas in the same image, the Andromeda Galaxy, etc. The 102mm would be for smaller galaxies, planetary nebulas or smaller nebulosity areas, like the Pacman, Crescent, Cocoon, etc.

[@wesleydonnelly2141]

awesome pics at the end you guys. It's so nice seeing how far Ashley has come in her blossoming Astrophotography journey! You 3 guys are living the dream!

[@Wilfredos_Astrophotography]

Both look amazing. Excellent quality in both images. Your pictures and videos are always inspiring. I say it's a tie. You both get a 10.

[@stephenwebber3850]

To be fair, its not just a $10k scope vs a £1k scope, its the cost of everything else - the mounts, cameras, filters etc. The esprit setup was probably more than x 10 the cost of the william optics setup. Also, if I had spent all that money on gear and my image was not better than a $1k setup it would be $9k wasted. Both images are fantastic but the more expensive image does shade it in comparison - but is it x10 better ?

[@richardgifford3456]

The skywatcher scope costs a maximum of $5K so this test is very misleading

[@serrael-182]

You always pay around 10x for something thats 2/3x times better nearly in with every kind of product.

[@AryansinghT60]

Oh man THE PILLARS OF CREATION!!! William Optics did a great job not gonna lie but Esprit was just on another level altogether. Loved both of them. Keep up the great work Trevor.

[@daveodriscoll2713]

Any chance of running this head to head again but with the camera systems swapped? might give people a better idea of the differences and what type of setup that might work best for them

[@JeffFishman]

agree - mono always looks better.

[@novelist-vancearcher]

Skip till 6:54 for comparison shot :)

[@kristiankrekac1112]

Incredible pictures 10 to both of you. I'm about half a year in astrophotography, still learning from mistakes each night, steeeep learning curve but I'm enjoying every minute of it. I know there are videos about post processing, watched them, but I'm really interested in the way you are doing it. Would love to watch an unedited, not speeded up longer video :)

[@3DAstroTC]

Maybe lazy scoring, but both are 10/10!! As someone who's imaged a year with even wider optics (Rokinon 135mm) and now even deeper with an 8" SCT, I think a good question/analogy is this; do you want to see one beautiful tree up close, or the equally beautiful forest around it?

[@maircraft4079]

Truly amazing! I have been a photographer for close to 45 years. I never saw images like these until the Hubbell images. I still am amazed it is possible to get these quality of images from home gear. So I bought a tracker and will start with my mirrorless camera gear.

[@Tito-sq1kb]

Here I am with my $200 telescope 😢

[@AstroGuy-kn3zh]

Don’t worry I have 79 price telescope and see my pf that image I captured In the future I will buy 71 red cat

[@ot999yt]

I don't even have one

[@chamapathirana3632]

I just have 75$ one

[@joseluisgarcia4815]

I gave 25 for one😅

[@Pstamhus]

@@AstroGuy-kn3zhNice picture of the moon👍

[@CameronGillis]

Top notch production Trevor and Ash 👌 So good I'm even going to share with my family 😁 Truly a great video and really appreciate you're doing a fantastic job for the Astronomy community! Thank you and keep looking up and enjoying the journey 👍🌙👍 Cheers! Cameron

[@JoseLausuch]

0:57 wouldn't it be better to swap the cameras? In terms of resolution, I would put the 2400 on the bigger scope and viceversa. Any special reason for this choice?

[@masked2523]

Both seriously good results, neither would be better as both show a different perspective on the the eagle nebula and the pillars of creation. 🔭 Clear skies

[@frugal-photog]

Perhaps I just got unlucky, but this is now two comparison videos in a row (by different channels) where they've compared Narrowband vs. a color sensor, when theoretically the purpose of the comparison had nothing to do with that difference. Why are you (and others) doing this? The proper comparison would have been to use LRGB filters. To be clear, I'm fine with the color sensor vs. the mono sensor. Your goal was to show the difference between a small & low cost setup vs a big & expensive setup. Mono setups are a lot more expensive, notably bigger and much more labor intensive. So it makes sense that this is part of the comparison. (Even though the purist in me would say a comparison should change as few things as possible). I can also overlook the use of the expensive ASI2400. Again, If I was being really picky, it would bug me as it's a pretty expensive sensor. If the goal was small and inexpensive, using something like the ASI183MC Pro would have been more to the point. But since both sensors used in the comparison are of a similar quality and cost (loosely speaking), it's hard to get too worked up about this. But what I *ABSOLUTELY* can *NOT* ignore is Narrowband vs. full-spectrum. It completely ruins the comparison. Instead of highlighting the difference between the two telescopes, you're instead highlighting the difference between narrowband and RGB... and then throwing in a telescope size/cost delta to further muddy the waters. Why would you do that?

[@johntdavies]

Great to see Ash taking part. Personally I think you’ve introduced too many variables. I have a Radian 61 (yes you sold it to me) and a C9.25 with HyperStar. I have the same cameras as you and I have to say the monochrome give so much more data in so any ways than the OSC. To be fair you should really swap the cameras around. It would make a great follow up and you could also do in to the differences in data and processing. All the best! 🔭

[@khulgarulfsson8067]

I think it’s very difficult to compare the two images. The one from the little scope is very, very impressive, but it’s also a completely different image than the one taken with the bigger scope. What I mostly got from this is that you definitely should start out with a smaller scope. It stays relevant and gets a lot of use, even if you get a bigger one later.

[@wildmanjeff42]

Both are very cool winners when you can print it out and tell your friends - "I took that picture" ! Thanks for the video.

[@briankotak403]

Wide field vs longer focal length. RGB vs SHO. Hmm … tough call. The Red Cat is more in my budget and Ashley’s processing is very good, but I love the focal length and SHO of Trevor’s. Can I just vote for Rudy? You two are awesome! Dr B from Manitoba, Canada 🇨🇦

[@Astrorun]

I don't see the point here. Everything is different so how could you compare those two set-up ? I mean, i would understand if the two telescope had the same apperture and focal length but a different optic formula but here it's not the case.

[@Si-fp2ij]

Well done Ash & Trevor 👏🏻 both images are fantastic and this is a great way of highlighting different focal length and the images you get on an iconic target Cheers Si

[@scotiaastro]

Great comparison and two epic results, Trevor! Well done to you and Ash! :)

[@donaldking757]

Both are great photo's showing different aspects of the Nebula. Well done Ash and Trevor.

[@astrocarone9671]

Okay. Trevor, your photo is stunning, as you got more detail in the Pillars. Ashley, your image is also stunning. I'm HUGE on wide field shots, so I'm going to have to go with Ashley's image. I've also took a similar image like hers. My vote goes to Ashley!

[@AstroBackyard]

Appreciate the vote, buddy. I'll let her know!

[@tadlong4566]

I love this video challenge! Two great images. Given the gigantic hurdles that Trevor heaped upon Ash, I chose Ash as the winner. She did more with less. But, I'm still jealous of Trevor's rig and Pillars. I appreciate this channel so much!

[@epoxyfloortoowoombapro7248]

Your dedication to your craft is evident.

[@adamf.8564]

THESE VIDEOS ARE JUST INSANE! Thank you for your hard work and sharing them.

[@emilehobo]

Am I correct to assume the $1000 telescope shows the actual color picture that you witness without filters and with the naked eye through lens? I do love the contrast that all of the filters add, which naturally have high scientific value because you can more clearly and closely inspect the interactions in deepspace, but if the $1000 telescope gets the same filters, what would the quality then be? Is there a difference between the camera-systems in terms of number of megapixels or is it just a different fitting camera system for different eyepiece systems?

[@tim71pos]

Naked eye you're not going to get color the way a photograph renders color. Stars show color, the planets show color, but as a rule deep sky objects do not. Larger aperture instruments, let us say 35 cm and over, will occasionally bring in color on a few select deep sky objects. Even here a fundamental limitation is the eyes of the people observing: their age, for one, and their inborn genetic sensitivity. People don't talk about it but there is substantial variation among individuals in color sensitivity.

[@johnsedlacek767]

This video just infuriated me. The total cost of each setup is well beyond the reach of most people. The cost for the Red Cat rig is at least $7000 and the Sky-Watcher 150 pushing $16,000. And these are conservative estimates not including the cost for the equipment, software, and experience necessary to process those images. Yes, the images are breathtaking but so, too, is the cost.

[@mrc2662]

No-one is forcing you to watch this. I watch and enjoy videos of Ferraris but they don’t ’infuriate me’ simply because I can’t afford them. This was a fun video by two highly likeable folk who bring their hobby to life in an entertaining manner.

[@Эль-Цзи]

What is the salary of an American with a higher education? 5-10 thousand dollars? What are the problems of getting one or two salaries for telescopes?

[@stonks759]

@@Эль-Цзи yeah then some will put same amount of money just to mod a car. just to impress people they dont know hehe, when its your pure hobby, you dont count the money you put in it

[@AstroNoah]

You have inspired me so much Trevor! now im planning on buying my first real Deep Sky setup and i could not have done it without your tips TY so much❤

[@aTillasSister]

Nice work, Ash! May I suggest an L-eXtreme or other duo band filter so you can separate out the Oiii; also rotate 90 degrees CCW to see the Star Queen; and finally get some dolly casters or wheels for any heavier rig so you can just drag it out of the house rather than worrying about whether you can carry it. Trevor - this is great. 10 to both :--)

[@mihailssisovs6983]

It really depends on the object. For Andromeda or Pleiades - large fov, for planetary nebulae - long focus

[@NoahsAstrophotography]

Awesome video and final images Trevor and Ashley! The difference in focal length was a lot more than what I previously thought, such a cool target the Eagle nebula is!

[@garretttaylor4334]

So how much for a whole set up?!

[@BSm2919]

They are both great pictures for the telescope used! Fantastic!

[@AudioVideo_IT]

Both pictures got astonishing good, congratulations!

[@TheNarrowbandChannel]

Well I do of course love the narrowband image :) By the way Trevor Love the transition edit of the telescope objectives into the image. I have to steal this transition.

[@d.fresh.750]

That caught my attention right away...I thought to myself, out loud of course, "oh that's cool!"

[@Wozoo_channel]

While we in south america need to conform with a $150 dollar telescope, meanwhile in america and ordinary citizen has a $238,500,000,000 70,000x mega-telescope

[@kafirekufr]

Clearly the more expensive telescope has more imagination.

[@MrGp3po]

Fun video. I do love to zoom into details. The "pillars" get all the love, but there are so many other areas of the Eagle to study. Love Ash's wide field. It is hard to beat a RedCat51 for nice crisp wide field views. Seeing an object with its surroundings seems to give context and that "deep space" feeling.

[@ThiagoSilva-xe7pk]

10 for both of you! 🔭Very nice!

[@worldaviation4k]

*I remember buying the thinnest cheapest telescope as a kid and the peep hole was so tiny you couldn't see anything through it*

[@lenn15]

Ash is the winner of the heart and had the cooler and more practical setup.

[@Lucius.Hercules]

There are so many different variables between these photos. Most notably the colour differences are vast between the monochrome+filter setup and the full spectrum camera. Secondly, the magnification difference is striking between the 250mm/51mm (~F4.9) and the 1050mm/150mm (F7) scopes, you get a lot of magnification with the difference of 800mm focal length between the two. Lastly, most surprisingly, the difference in aperture doesn't seem to translate to much more light even though the larger 150mm aperture receives about 8.6x more light, the long exposure time seems to make up for it. Totally fascinating, I'd really love to see the difference between them if just the cameras had been switched! I'm not gonna give a rating because they're both amazing and it seems to me like an apples-to-oranges comparison.

[@sophieguerra7423]

I really can't decide. The two photos are really impressive and beautiful in their own way. I am pretty sure you both won.

[@NGC6357]

I am partial to the Redcat 51 but man what a shot the Esprit did. Both pictures are 10/10 for what they are imo.

[@Sandrogrilo]

Congrats from Brazil. Thanks to bring us the quality that we can get from each type an price.

[@S12Astro]

I imaged the Eagle earlier in the year with a similar set up to Ash. There are two things Ash could have done to blow Trevor’s rig out of the water. 1. Include the nearby Omiga nebula in the image (both will fit in the Redcat’s wide focal length 2. Perhaps extract the Ha and O2 using software like Siril to make a ‘Hubble’ image like Trevor’s. Great video and Rudy for the win!

[@ObservaDome]

🌌 Both Images Are Fantastic! 🌌

[@x00m41]

actually the light gathered by the f4.9 is more than the f7. the size of the front aperture doesn't mean its going to gather more light. its all to do with the end cone of light that hits the sensor, which in the larger one, is f7. ergo, gathering less light

[@TheGoKidd]

The new house gives you SO much more horizon, congrats. It might have been interesting to see both images processed in non-SHO pallete.

[@rusticagenerica]

You are both totallly adorable ! Superb video, clear & crisp advice

[@leonidcechmistro7351]

Both images are beautiful. But both are very different in that the equipment used was very different. Now I am a visual astronomer using a 81mm ZenithStar and a 200mm Classic, same kind of difference… managing expectations in how you can/cannot see things. Great teamwork, thanks! And thanks for inspiring us all to go out and look!

[@artisticone2]

This is a fun comparison, but I think it needs to be put in the context of a beginner type rig as opposed to a super advanced one. Of course Trevor’s image is mind blowing, but a beginner getting an image like Ashley’s with just a little experience would be a tremendous boost of confidence. That’s the real value of this demonstration and as such you Trevor and now Ashley as well are doing great things to advance this hobby. Thanks and please keep it up.

[@tomroberts3851]

Thanks, as always for a great video Trevor! Ash is taking some awesome shots now! Thanks for inspiring a bunch of astrophotographers guys! Tom, UK.

[@MidnyteAstro]

I love both photos! Each have their pros and cons. Great shooting both of you.

[@astrotan]

Awesome video as always dude!

[@Sciguy95]

Didnt expect an image from James Webb. Absolutely incredible.

[@TPGNutJam]

The music is so nice, are there links or names for them?

[@rolsonn]

Both photos look outstanding. Great to you both.

[@philbivins7133]

Well done to both if you. Beautiful photos. But I must admit Rudi had the deciding vote and that went for Ashley. Congrats Ash!🦴🐾

[@jasondain8713]

Great video. I think both images are nicely done for the scopes you captured them with. Good to show what you can do with two different kinds of rigs and to help set expectations about what the price point gets you.

[@clueck1948]

I liked both images. I have a 71mm refractor so I can identify with that picture. But I also have an 8 inch celestron hd which I am starting to use more and see the ability to basically zoom inside the nebula rather than sort of look from afar. I have a question. I am traveling to Canada in late September, near the Quill Lake, Wadena, Saskatchewan area. I plan to take one or both of my scopes. I am excited because the view up there is astounding. I bought a ASI 2600MC and I was wondering…should I use any filters since the sky will be so bright? I have not looked yet to see what phase the moon will be during that time 24-26th of September, so that could be a factor. I enjoy your videos. You are lucky your wife enjoys astrophotography and all that comes with it.

[@devanshsisodia2286]

where have u been bro lately ? no vids?

[@johnposavatz]

Highlight of the video - Ash playing with Rudy at the very end ... all smiles! :)

[@912582]

10,000 blew it all away. Take out the cost element and the difference is massively more than I had expected!

[@kswas2784]

What's really interesting to me and I don't recall seeing it before, is that there was a noticeable depth to Trevor's picture.

[@meibergstrmandersen9181]

The images under discussion, in both instances, exhibit commendable quality. The assorted hues, colours and complexity of detail apparent in each image appear to be predominantly attributable to the differences in focal length. In light of her less experience and the use of a smaller refractor, the commendable outcome delivered by Ashley has impelled me to endorse her image. Regrettably, on this occasion, Trevor, it seems that the odds are not in your favor 🙂 Well Done Ashley 🙂

[@steinarne79]

Am I the only one that get a bit of compolsive "This is the right spot, there is many spots out there, but this one is mine..." When you do your setup ritual? Its all about the compounding effect of right gear, right ideas and overall philosophy !

[@jameswoods1939]

More great content and really both images came out very nice. While the 150 and your processing skills make for an amazing image, the little RC 51 is an incredible small widefield scope. The huge field of view with that FF OSC in Ashleys image is spectacular. Nice work to you both.

[@gregorymckenna6609]

I vote 10/10 for both images. They show different perspectives and both are super cool.

[@tizocsuarez1563]

Greetings from Costa Rica, both images are outstanding!!!, thanks for sharing

[@vorteco7692]

I would have liked to see the same experiment repeated with the cameras swapped. Good job either way! Looks like fun and that's the most important thing!

[@praballunavat5651]

That was so cool. Thanks for the ride!! Awesome!

[@ElijahHewlett]

Dudes I just completed a setup with a canon 1000d XS, star adventurer 2GI pro, carbon fiber tripod, a 300mm telephoto (fluorite) lense, a dew heater and, an intervalometer. But it’s supposed to be cloudy for about two weeks!!!!!!

[@Hocktopus_329]

Do these images make anyone else emotional?

[@BG5850]

Looked completely different and both looked great. 10/10

[@cdz9400]

I think that is your best image of the pillars yet!

[@jjpoole741]

Ash: 10 Trevor: 10 Great images!

[@geoffnash3098]

That big scope really is big and so is the tripod. I bet that big scope weighs about 30 pounds. Hey Trevor when are you going to build your observatory? You have a great location.clear skies my friend

[@harshraojr]

We can peak so far to understand complexity, felt goose bumps while looking those glorious photos.

[@CALFCfan]

Can't really compare the 2... Completely different classes of pics. Both are gorgeous!

[@mostlyscienceandadventure808]

My man, I absolutely love your videos. Can you do a video about your opinion on the best middle ground price point (about $5000 total cost) with the best middle ground for getting images as close as possible to the 10,000$ telescope in this video? Looking to get into this myself! You're the man! @AstroBackyard

[@mazinalmoumen]

I guess Esprit 120 ED by Sky Watcher! Focal length is 840 mm F7.

[@leoneverest]

The addition of the comparison with NASA's $10,000,000,000 telescope caught me off guard and was really quite funny. For the vote I have to give it to Trevor's image. The extra detail from the punched in magnification, filters just making the colors pop, and I love to see the mixing of gases creating multiple colors. Very much a Top Gear moment of "This is brilliant, but I like this."

[@loocrepus]

Hi trevor, since you have all the space in your backyard, how about building dedicated observatory. Ash or you wouldn't have to drag the setup outside to do decent night's imaging session

[@tavorom]

Both are great!! Love the videos!

[@seventhsun1]

Great pictures and music in this video. Thank you!

[@rochditidjani]

The $10,000 telescope picture reminded me of the Hubble telescope pictures. The $10,000 pictures are superb. An interesting comparison would have been the 10,000 with a Smith Cassegrain model. Thanks for the video.

[@MatthiasWigoschnig-dg7zi]

Great choice of music! Very impressie imaging too :)

[@JeffFishman]

It appears there is a bg difference. I own a Tele Vue 85mm and just bought a RedCat 51. Now, I want something bigger - example a 120mm. What have you heard about svbony's sv550 122mm? It appears to be decent and the price is right. Would love to hear your opinion.

[@Crypticdragon1]

The Eagle Nebula is one of my highest wishlist targets. I would love to someday be able to get something like a Celestron Edge HD 14 with a proper camera to really zoom in on the Pillars of Creation. It's just such a fascinating and beautiful object. Kudos to you and Ash for some spectacular pics!

[@JorgePazNaveiro]

Final comparison with JWST is great!!! Both are very good pictures, Ash's has wider field and is a bit more flat, Trevor's is much more detailed and with a deep sensation. Pillars of Creation are impressive. My tens for both of you guys, you rock!