astronomy has a colonialism problem

[@oh_aces]

"yo, why do you bring up imperialism with every issue?" "I dont. Imperialists did, and here we are."

[@StudSnob]

Nope, its because you are weak and lookig for a way to justify it. I got a better solution- accept it. Accept that your culture was weak and less developed and thats why it was conquered. Your mind will be free

[@RichardLewisCaldwell]

The sins of the father shall not be held against the son, but the father's ill-gotten gains shall be held by the son.

[@StudSnob]

@@RichardLewisCaldwell speak english

[@suksuk5191]

​@@RichardLewisCaldwellwell said. systematic privileges 101

[@randomchannel-px6ho]

They did, you clearly don't know the language if you don't know the adage they were riffing on. The sins of the father shall not be held against the son is a well known moral adage, he was critiquing how imperialist societies similarly don't think they should be held responsible for the actions of the past, but still benefit from the ill gotten gains of imperialism at the expense of others.

[@mitchellthegirl]

As a kanaka 'ōiwi (Native Hawaiian), thank you for presenting this information. So many mainlanders have no idea that Hawai'i was even colonized. My grandfather was born in the territory of Hawai'i. I'm a just handful of generations away from the initial colonization of our people. We're still here.

[@HontasFarmer80]

... how many mainlanders come to Hawaii and think they need their passport? Like don't even realize it's the same country. I hear that is a too common thing from friends in the tourist industry there.

[@AlexDoesYouTubes]

And now one of the islands is pretty much owned by a single dude. It's disgusting.

[@harry.flashman]

are you communicating to us via smoke signals or using technology the colonisers invented?

[@jojop6387]

@@harry.flashmannah the only thing that communicates with smoke signals here are your brain synapses. Because no one could possibly be this slow

[@harry.flashman]

@@jojop6387 damn you sussed me. its not kind to ad hominem a retard im crushed. i only hope we can be happy living as cannibal tribes and get rid of these colonisers mod cons and home comforts because my brain functions better with smoke signals. how did you get so smart 'jojo'

[@raulesquivelsirvent2812]

yes, science has a colonialism problem. A graveyard of Civil War soldiers can not be dug ¨out of respect ¨, but a graveyard of native people can be dug and made into a museum in the name of archeology and anthropology.

[@runawaythoughts5183]

As someone who’s family live in Hawai’i and has some kanaka relatives, taking the time to talk about Hawai’i colonial history is something I can’t thank you enough. On top of the telescopes in Mauna Kea, the H-3 highway that runs through Oahu has also been constructed on sacred land.

[@brave-i9l]

The United States governs Hawaii and does not colonize it. Most of the land is still yours, but you enjoy the wealth, stability, legal system and fair society of the United States. If you are dissatisfied with the United States, you can demand independence.

[@Tervval2]

​@@brave-i9land how do u think hawaii came to be pard of the US? Colonization and coups, learn your own history. Also, secession is no allowed in the constitution

[@horasefu1438]

@@brave-i9ldumb, naive and incorrect.

[@brave-i9l]

@@Tervval2 You should be grateful that Hawaii has been included in the governance of the United States, otherwise you will be oppressed by the native Hawaiian powerful and live in poverty and unrest for generations, just like Haiti and Papua New Guinea. Only countries founded by Christian white men can have fair legal systems and free democracy. If you receive enough education, you will understand. If this Palestinian woman were not in the United States, she would not be so comfortable saying what she wants to say.

[@spawel1]

@@brave-i9l"fair society" "you can demand independence" 🤣🤣🤣

[@idonnow2]

you absolutely POPPED OFF with this one. I love how thorough and intensive your breakdown of each and every single one of your points is, and i commned you for always stressing the human element to everything we do, which the powers that be want to strip from us to their benefit.

[@Daniel-ih4zh]

Yep, easily her dumbest, most yawn inducing video essay yet, replete with historical inaccuracies, lack of perspective, all wrapped in a downright juvenile world view. Instead of talking about actual problems, she decides to.... talk about colonized land reclaimation bolstered by bizarrely narrow sociological perspectives. I don't know if she's dumb, or just utterly out of touch with the real world, but it sure is hilarious to watch.

[@5001Fergies]

The short story “The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas” by Ursula K Le Guin explores the idea of how people contend with the knowledge that their prosperity is contingent on the suffering of another; it’s an amazing read that’s only a few pages long but the themes and questions it makes you ask yourself coincide a lot with what you were talking about regarding the division of scientists’ reactions regarding the telescope

[@lararys7765]

Im an indian imigrant woman studying astrophysics. This video didnt make me sad, it gave me hope. I know that i am not alone in everything that i feel about this field and what i am doing. Thank you for your work. I am not alone and that means everything to me. Thank you.

[@JohnnyRingo-c5v]

Study india astronomy then , I am sure its more advanced lol

[@StimParavane]

So oppressed...

[@StimParavane]

@docwhammo Rebirth and karma completely undermine the victimhood narrative of the race and gender grifters.

[@cubemerula5264]

Not only were dumb people never alone, it's always a crowd at their camp.

[@jose.montojah]

Just as if modernism was condemning us. But a return to premodernism wouldn't change much, neither philosophically, politically or in knowledge appropriation, so an alternative must become. Solarpunk strong villages for all?

[@LaCafedora]

I like science, and astronomy in particular, but I do not want it at the cost of human exploitation and suffering, or the erosion of cultural heritage. It's unnecessary and people clearly don't want this.

[@pxpe7765]

I agree, but if all the cultural heritage you have is religion, then I couldn't care less. Science > Religion

[@space.youtube]

@@pxpe7765 Well you don't agree then. Out of curiosity, by what criteria do you determine ">" ?

[@pxpe7765]

@@space.youtube Use value and the overall benefit to humanity.

[@space.youtube]

@@pxpe7765"use value" and "benefit" are not answers to my question until you define them. Starting to wonder if you're even able? 🤔

[@hcxpl1]

I dunno if this is a hot take, specially in this community, but I see people discussing the moon landing and talking about it being fake or not and all I can think is What justified spending so much money on something so superflous to society whilst there was so much internal matters to attend to like the civil rights and second wave feminism and the middle-east wars and wahtnot. I mean, I can only see it as a distraction, but I think you get the point

[@saintgall6329]

Thank you so much for the subtitles! It is very rare that video documentaries like this have them, and as a Deaf leftist I appreciate it.

[@sonicbackrooms897]

As a Hard of Hearing person here I also appreciate it!

[@wtfatc4556]

What do you mean? There are automatic subtitles for almost any video...😊

[@thezipcreator]

@@wtfatc4556 have you actually used automatic subtitles? oftentimes they can be pretty bad

[@wtfatc4556]

@@thezipcreator i use them all the time. They do suck sometimes. Depends on the accent of whoever is speaking.

[@thezipcreator]

@@wtfatc4556 the comment is thanking the uploader for manually adding subtitles (which are way better than the automatically generated ones)

[@andiralosh2173]

"Bigotries have functions" is a new phrase to me, and it's perfect. I'll be using this phrase to discuss how oppression maintains power

[@agluebottle]

Great catch.

[@aamirhussain26]

Bigotry against black people justifies police militarization, Islamophobia justifies dominating MENA resources etc etc.

[@WhizPill]

a well oiled machine working just as intended

[@AlbertBormant]

Just like how the Muslim world oppresses it's minority groups

[@sandcastledx]

Nature is oppressive, so you'll see it no matter who is in power

[@L3o-baker]

Antizionist Jew and descendant of a Holocaust survivor here, thank you for highlighting Jewish Voice for Peace! The organization IfNotNow is also wonderful.

[@eatwifing-gj7bq]

@@canalzinha problematic that you'd support JVP, a group founded by robots from the future trying to kill John Conner by destroying Israel.

[@Fanatic4500]

​@@canalzinhaWould have been great if the Zionists had asked this before using economic and physical violence to displace Palestinians in the beginning. Regardless, this is a silly question. Let's start with Palestinians getting the freedom to travel and have Israel quit their economic suppression and colonization of Gaza and the West Bank. Treating Palestinians as equals won't mean that all of the Israelis will be forced out. I'd recommend "The Hundred Years War on Palestine" for a Palestinian view on the conflict, he even gives you some potential answers to your question in his conclusion.

[@hishlev]

@@canalzinhaZionism can mean a lot of things but within the last century or so in all practicality it has found overwhelming expression in establishing a Jewish homeland in the Levant - not just a Jewish homeland. At its very inception is an act of violence -an establishment of settler colonial state. Current actions only add to the violence and not that they are an unfortunate aberration to an otherwise noble idea.

[@pjihae]

@@canalzinhafrankly I give as little of a fck where the settlers end up going as they care about where the Palestinians they’re forcibly displacing end up going.

[@Fanatic4500]

@@canalzinha Sorry, were the thousands of Palestinian children killed in the current conflict standard-bearing Hamas terrorists? This whole "all Palestinians are to blame" is such a gross, confusing take. If your neighbor threw a rock at me, would it be reasonable for me to have the US military carpet bomb your neighborhood? What Hamas did was horrible, but it was heavily instigated by Israels history of constantly poisoning peace attempts and refusing to see or treat Palestinians as equals. None of us here are in the position to say how Palestine and Israel can fix this situation, but the first step is to stop Israel's apartheid against Palestinians, grant them simple, basic human rights, and actually allow peace talks to occur at all. Israel's narrative that they're just a poor little guy fighting back against big meanies flies in the face of historical context and is a clear and obvious excuse for genocide.

[@kmerrill4444]

I was not expecting this video to do what it did to me. I was folding a fitted sheet near the end of this video, and then I set it aside to sit down and cry while watching you cry… there’s a lot of really important video essays and some specific writers and creators out there who deserve timeless recognition on the level of James Baldwin and bell hooks. You, Dr Fatima, are perhaps the best of them. This is one of the most important spoken-essays ever created.

[@NaderNabilart]

Thank you so much, I've been reading from the resources you compiled in a doc online about Palestine. I encourage everyone to read it and find something actionable they can take part in with their community.

[@hellofriend545]

Oh, is there a video on their channel, or is it on a different social media platform?

[@NaderNabilart]

@@hellofriend545 I don't think Dr Fatima posted it here on YT, I saw it on Twitter

[@shanefoster2132]

​@@hellofriend545 there was also the community post with documents linked that she made several months ago now. I don't know if it's still up or the sources in description are different.

[@hamzaalikhan9932]

​@@canalzinhaYou admitted in another comments section that Lebanon and it's civil war is what made you pro-israel. Please stop taking your anger out on civilians terrorised by Israel. Lebanon is Israel's fault, they threw the Palestinians there. Even from a religious perspective this amount of bigotry and hatred just because you're mad about your beloved Christian Lebanon, is not right.

[@SailorCanisMajoris]

I woud also love to recommend participating in Operation Olive Branch! It is thriving on tt, but would benefit greatly from attention on other platforms!

[@TheKajero]

Tunisian here, sister you make us proud with this 3 hour work you put in, emotion is often discarded from discussion but emotion should be integral to it and doesn't take away from it but contextualizes it, proud of you

[@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701]

how comes none of these colonialism videos ever talk about other colonialism outside of europe. the biggest slave empires by number of slaves in history were the african and south american ones. it doesnt even compare. they did it before, during and after the europeans. they still do it today. europeans are the only ones that put any effort into stopping it

[@sebastiantill8019]

When I was camping near الحديقة الوطنية بالجبيل, boys of the nearby village invited us to play football. As soon as the girls tried to even peek at us playing the boys were throwing stones at them. As soon as one leaves Tunis, the brutal reality of genuine misogyny is visible everywhere. The devastating amount of slavery that happened in Tunisia until very recently and now is one of the most horrific in history. More people were enslaved by the tribes of Tunisia alone than the entirety of the white ethnicity. But those facts don't matter to you and @dr.fatima - right? Because it is so convenient to blame another race and culture.

[@TheKajero]

@@ftftyffghfvghfcht6701 your whataboutism isn't my issue to address, if you want to talk about those go ahead no one's stopping you

[@TheKajero]

@@sebastiantill8019 Why are you talking about the problem and addressing her? she's from Libya not Tunisia, I am from Tunisia, not the same country, You either said that because you haven't watched the video, not to the point where she explicitly says she's from Libya at least, which is close to the start of the video OR You're as unedectuated as to conflate the 2 countries which is a typical for an americ@n. As for your "let's address misogyny in north africa" brother every country on this earth has misogynists by the dozen, yours is just whitewashed and catered through a liberal lens, and north africa has a substantial amount of white dudes, probably like you, coming from the west seeking a "trad wife" here, I wonder for what purpose and with what mindset. And really it isn't the place of a westerner, whom native country has milked and still milks africa of its ressources, to point and criticize the sociotal and economical issues that is caused and enabled by said exploitation. As of the enslaving you speak of, let's say for a second we condemn it, are you using that to justify the modern ongoing chattel slavery in countries like the US and UK? or do you want use it to justify the ongoing g3n0cide in p@Ie$tine? because you sound a lot like you're saying "hey you did it before why can't we do it now?".

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

@@TheKajero The buzzword "whataboutism" is a poorly articulated attempt at denial intended to disqualify an argument that counts as falsification of claimed principles. In other words: you have no arguments. You have no principles either.

[@RiverdudeCovers]

One of the most interesting and well made videos on this platform, I loved watching every minute of it!!! I never knew all the went into making the TMT telescope and how much colonialism was involved. Keep up the great content and Free Palestine

[@markblack8521]

Grief is what happens when your love has nowhere to go. That hit hard. Thank you, Dr.

[@myca9322]

🖤

[@Liiimes]

That’s not her quote

[@DOPEDOGTOPDOG]

she has not a clue about astronomy, three sentences in , she says a bigger telescope increases resolution power : WRONG even a pair of binoculars can have a greater resolution power than a telesope , every amateur hobbyist knows that : she never touched atelescope in her life , period .She is just a pretty face paid by Israel to read their script and parrot their narrative : you 'll get the exact same talking points on every single " pro-palestine"channel , word for word : that's controled opposition : they are spending hundreds of millions $ on this type of channels. They are paying 5000$ a video to anyone with 15k subs , plenty of people showed the proof: screenshots , emails conversations .....

[@madeline6951]

@@DOPEDOGTOPDOG you definitely look like a bot

[@john2g1]

Woooow... So in other news I'm still working my way to the part of the video the OP quoted. In the meantime 2:07:08 onward is possibly the best description of the Black experience I have ever heard from a non-Black person. I am moved... And before anyone says it Dr. Fatima is a literal African American. So IDK maybe she is Black. Race is a non-scientific social construct.

[@BooksRebound]

14:48 You know I'm kinda shocked theres not a native american anti-colonialist zombie movie since thats such a good allegory for the European diseases that came to end their world. Or I guess I would be shocked if I didn't remember the scarcity of native american stories and directors in Hollywood. There has to be a settlers=zombies book out there somewhere right? Edit: Im happy to report there IS such a movie! Blood Quantum! Also Zombi Child and Betaal apparently.

[@nos9784]

"kingdom", the south korean tv series, is about a zombie plague in feudal korea. I could say It has some anticolonial and antiauthorithrian themes, and I think those will be even more prominent in the future parts of "kingdom", but I'm not sure that's a good interpretation. (also, this is a bookmark to hopefully find the movie suggestions again, and boost algorithmic range for this awesome video)

[@NaderNabilart]

Lovely suggestions! Thank you. Will watch asap!

[@shreksvr123]

i read a book like this, its called the marrow thieves by cherie dimaline. its a young adult book btw

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

​@@nos9784damn i didn't see that one.

[@the_famous_reply_guy]

Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy is supposed to be unmakeable as a film. I've Not read it yet.

[@katie8099]

1:35:03 minor correction, it was not University of Indiana that Steven Salaita was fired from/not hired at, it was University of Illinois

[@josephpatrick1117]

In addition to this, William Robinson teaches at UC Santa Barbara, not UC Santa Cruz

[@piplupz1586]

Be annoying in solidarity is the best kind of praxis

[@EnbyAndi]

Ayyyy… I can do that! 🇵🇸

[@cubemerula5264]

No. It's the worse, because it very effectively destroys solidarity. Don't worry. I'd never expect anyone praising this video to go one step further in thinking about what they're saying. So you haven't really disappointed me.

[@newjumpcityjosh9333]

@@cubemerula5264 how does it destroy solidarity?

[@piplupz1586]

@cubemerula5264 Practice your critical thinking and promote the skill for others. It rules

[@spiritofmatter1881]

You could say Geert Wilders is doing just that. I just look at "will this new country be more lovely for a person to live with even if you didn't know what would be the position of the person in the country?" Answer should be yes. But with Muslim brotherhood for a flag...

[@Sorenzo]

I despise thoroughly people who insinuate that protesters and activists should be considered violent. A bunch of Hawaiians yelling about a telescope is NOT violence. Protesting in front of the Israeli embassy does NOT make you a terror suspect. But some people can't see the humanity in those they oppress, so it doesn't occur to them that their victims don't mean to oppress them back.

[@seese9456]

It's a colonialist framing to call protestors and revolutionaries as "savages" that need to be arrested or put down. It also ignores that fact that when peaceful protests don't change an oppressive system and the ruling class resort to more tyrannical measures it invites violent protests as a the only means for complete liberation.

[@dumbl4421]

Paranoia haunts the guilty mind.

[@RolandoGarza]

"They're violent protestors" is the human equivalent of "It's coming straight for us".

[@bigmoneymandan360]

Well allowing peace protests and peaceful activism even if the movement is bad or the protest becomes violent that isn't the intention and you need a nonviolent protest so they can yell and let out some steam instead of holding them down until the pot boils over into a civil war when the government doesn't allow freedom of expression. And just because a "peaceful protest" became violent doesn't mean it was always violent it also doesn't mean they weren't violent from the start. What it means is people need to do there research on what the protesters are actually standing for because half the time they don't even know they're just bored and want to be part of something greater than themselves that could lead to some change. So protests are necessary some are completely laughable.

[@baltzermisje619]

In that can palatine is a bad example

[@hcxpl1]

"but I couldn't fucking do it" I think really summarizes the situation I find myself in - having been studying for one of those STEM nerd fields and only now realizing that one of the main things that made it impossible for me to just go on with what was expected of me is the apparent total lack of engagement with anything other than the technical aspects themselves... Having come directly from a free, albeit not public, high school that had a social project to include people from the community and that didn't have as many resources, the jump to how sterilized the college environment was about anything other than STEM itself and very abstract concepts was just abysmal - It felt like my life had stopped bc I existed in this bubble reality outside of time by virtue of being completely unconcerned with anything happening on the world, outside of "spreading liberlal democracy" in economics classes, bc why not. Not only were teachers routinely incentivizing horrible practices in tech bc it was "market standards" such as the gig-fication of things and providing everything as a service rather than a product, the absolute void of any discussion on the impacts of tech or even what even is the purpose of any of it was quite startling and a stark contrast to what I had experience just little bf.

[@larochka1]

great comment!!!!!

[@joannelee8735]

You’re so right! My school (Boston College) tries to rectify it with a Tech and Society class cuz of the school’s emphasis on Jesuit values and community service. But the classes can be hit or miss (one lecture the professor claimed that AI will never be sentient cuz it doesn’t have a Christian soul😑) which makes it feel even more divorced from reality

[@sniedendepoes]

You wouldn’t be able to post this without those “STEM nerds” lol.

[@redtidereadings]

Don't you just love the alienation of posting online cause there's such a lack of consciousness within our communities to even breach such topics in person./s But seriously though, these 'STEM nerds' aren't doing their jobs right if they're not taking into consideration the sociological implications.

[@nos9784]

@@sniedendepoes the stem nerds can make stuff happen, even if they do think about broader implications. Some do- the defcon crowd, the chaos computer club folks, snowden, ... It can arguably be better or as good- like mastodon, diaspora, firefox, nebula, signal, fetlife, gvcs, linux, github, lAteX, copenhagen suborbitals, ... The biggest problem is they don't have the user base to actually replace the dominant products. The most inconvenient thing about them is that a majority uses incompatible stuff.

[@kelpiekit4002]

Historically New Zealand colonization directly followed astronomy. James Cook was sent out to observe the transit of Venus from Tahiti. He then had his other sealed orders to look for Terra Australis for Britain and stop in on New Zealand. In New Zealand, after mapping out the coast, he landed at Mercury Bay to observe the transit of Mercury...and claim the area for Britain.

[@ifcoltransg2]

To hammer the point home, Cook was on an ostensibly scientific mission, but had secret, explicit orders from the admiralty to enact British Empire. To the expedition's scientific sponsors in England, he was sent to the Southern Hemisphere because European astronomers already had the Northern Hemisphere sky covered - which mirrors the reason astronomers didn't want the TMT built in Chile.

[@sasentaiko]

This is a really great point. Relatedly, isn’t it funny how even in whitewashed history, we learn about astrolabes only in the context of their usefulness to Portugal’s Prince Henry the Navigator. Astronomy technology and colonialism have gone hand in hand for a while now.

[@harry.flashman]

who wiped out and extict the wildlife and fauna in NZ? were the maoris native or just rocked up there like Cook? who invented smart phones?

[@stephenmisso1543]

​@@harry.flashmanlol😂

[@followingheartlines]

@@harry.flashman what are you talking about lmao wildlife and fauna still exist in nz. did you watch the video in good faith? bcoz it clearly identifies what indigeneity means. and you srsly need to stop thinking that having smart phones is dependent on genocide.

[@davidmcgirr]

I thank you for the honest display of emotion related to all these issues. Politically people are told to be rational, and make their points calmly, and the whole "facts don't care about your feelings" nonsense is a poison. We give a damn. And we're going to be passionate about it.

[@ResplendentTrash]

I don't think I've seen anyone take such a considerate approach in explaining this to people who were new to the subject. You put a lot of thought into what to say first before bombarding the viewer with facts. I know almost all of this already, but it's really refreshing to hear it all in relevant order and realize how much I would forget to mention if I was trying to explain it someone. The poem was beautiful.

[@notahumanbeing6892]

Agree wholeheartedly, I’m already thinking of the best time to show this to people in my life who I haven’t been able to convince by myself (I’m not very articulate in person) to care about palestine because “its just another war in the middle east its nothing special” 🙄 they just won’t listen to me.

[@sjh3217]

One irony you didn't mention here (since it wasn't related to the anti-colonial context) is that part of the reason we're building these super telescopes is to try to sniff out the atmospheres of terrestrial exoplanets to see if they might have the chemical markers of organic life. We're pouring billions of dollars to try to find what we hope to be another Earth, lightyears away. I definitely agree that answering the question of whether life exists elsewhere is important, but I'm not sure we'd be spending so much to do it if it wasn't about more - we want to know that life exists elsewhere because a) it means humans may not be alone in the universe, and we might be able to commune with others like us rather than be "stuck" by ourselves on this planet, and b) we have a planet B to escape to if planet A should fail. Option b is a non-starter solely from the likelihood of alien biochemistry being toxic or incompatible with our own (not to mention the obscene distances involved), but option a? Westerners and colonizers, in choosing to see the universe as a machine to better understand and control it, have likewise chosen to forget that we are surrounded by non-human intelligences, whom we could commune with only if we had the heart to respect them. When we colonizers chose to stop seeing all life (and matter) as permeated with spirit, we made ourselves alone, and miserable, and in our confusion we began to destroy those relatives we once loved. I highly recommend Ted Chiang's "The Great Silence" for a heart-wrenching short story about this idea.

[@hanna-liminal]

this facet is *perfectly* reflected in that 47SOUL song Doktora Fatima references/samples in this video: (loosely translated by myself) "Scientists discovered a second planet earth, so I grabbed all my belongings, pillows and blankets, and flew into the sky, worries leaving my mind until I arrived, where I was shocked to discover another settlement plan."

[@rachelgreely9031]

Another great author with similar ideas is Robin Wall-Kimmerer. Very accessible for non-academics and her audiobooks are excellent.

[@curtismcallister9569]

option B just isn't possible at all. we've never even left this solar system. i mean maybe you can count the rapidly aging and failing voyager probes, but they've barely touched the edge and their design is not even a start on what it would take to move people that far

[@oiytd5wugho]

This is something I never understood about those projects. Literally why are you looking for life? What are you gonna do with that information? And when you find water worlds with plentiful oxygen in the goldilocks zone - why is that notable? What even are the chances some other natural automata out there have RNA or are even protein-based? Do they think finding strong evidence of biological processes somewhere else is gonna do anything? Physics won't progress from it. People won't care, 'cause we're busy. It's all vapid pining after sci-fi books. I know, hot take but it's what I genuinely think.

[@TaapJE]

​@@oiytd5wugho Good to think critically, but you and I don't know the use or importance yet for these researchers finding these things you mention. Could be useless, could be important, we don't know. But understanding more of the universe, I don't see a problem with this. Time will tell how we can use the information these researchers find. Other researchers discover more and more of our oceans, do we know what use it will be, no, but we do get some awesome information and more understanding of our surroundings and along the way the things discovered sometimes could be important to human race.

[@timotheboulder]

Thank you for making this

[@harjutapa]

Simple analogy to make this clear: Imagine if astrologers realized that the site of the Church of the Nativity was an optimal site for a telescope and proceeded to knock it down and put said telescope there. Of course that would never happen, and no I'm not saying it's a perfect analogy, but it's not that far off and serves to demonstrate the point.

[@Thunderdumpe]

This isn't true. A normal interpretation of spirituality would lead to a telescope enhancing a mountains spiritual power, not destroying it. From phenomenology the gods always live at the top of a mountain/in the heavens, and worship means worth-ship: treating something as incredibly valuable. So it would be logical to interpret the astronomers (westerners treat science as sacred) as creating shrines to worship the gods on the holy mountain, an entirely appropriate act. It's only in the christian view that we invest in distinctions between appreciation, veneration, and worship. Remember that the 3 wise men following a star from the east is seen as an honour, as it independently validates the belief that something is special. Also remember that their worry was actually that they would lose access to it themselves, not that there would be too much astronomy or that astronomy desecrates the site.

[@joeiechristiansantana9641]

@@Thunderdumpe That would imply the scientists have spiritually acknowledged the land as sacred, and not, y'know... theirs for the taking. Also, again, maybe they could have done a better job went the clean-up, y'know?

[@goolumf]

Astrologers :0 did they find a new star sign up there

[@Full_Bloom2_Hey_Its_Leah]

@@ThunderdumpeTo be honest, it doesn’t matter what your interpretation of indigenous Hawaiin spirituality is here - spirituality is entirely besides the point. The point of the video is that the TMT is a problem because it is on stolen land.

[@Bob-bs9ok]

​@@ThunderdumpeI'd agree, however it seems a wee bit disrespectful to cause the extinction of multiple species and litter the place with trash.

[@zizafell]

I normally don't watch 3 hour video essays but this was so profound and absolutely necessary for everyone to watch. Sending you love and solidarity from Algeria ⵣ

[@gesilsampaioamarantesegund6692]

You are fantastic, Fátima. Thank you.

[@Itharl]

What I really want to know: how are all the transitional music tracks just absolute bangers? Also, all the other important stuff in this video. But seriously. The music. 🔥

[@agluebottle]

Been grooving for months off the music I discovered in one of her earlier vids.

[@lulusp1023]

Its Mansur la reyna singing.

[@yunglynda1326]

arab music just being amazing

[@jasonmunger4206]

I’m a 60+ year old white male with a less than high school education so probably not your target demographic but I’m so impressed with this video that I just subscribed to your patreon many thanks you exemplify what science should be

[@teddyjackson1902]

Cringe.

[@bezzer79]

She seems very sure of herself but she presents very skewed, cherry picked and incomplete facts to create a specific narrative. Misleading.

[@deanpappas8388]

@@bezzer79 Oh, yeah...I guess balancing out other groups' "skewed, cherry picked and incomplete facts to create a specific narrative" is a sin.

[@deanpappas8388]

@@teddyjackson1902 Really, can't stop yourself, can you?

[@Bob-bs9ok]

​@@bezzer79wait 'til you hear about how history papers are written (hint: it's from a thesis and spend any amount of time reading you'll find them bending ass-backwards to support the current reigeme)

[@transluxlyceum3236]

Great video & analysis.

[@aehnosv]

2:44:40 'in that moment you understand why people believe this mountain is sacred' ties it all together so perfectly i started crying

[@nspireConnection]

I started balling just a few seconds before that

[@carloswagner3621]

Thank you for this brave and emotional video, you had me for more than 2 hours at the brink of emotion and tears. I am a Mexican linguist, and to me, the imperialist, supremacist, and colonialist advantages of the Global North colleagues are incredibly evident. Working with native languages, most of them come to the Global South with white savior complexes, and while trying to pretend that they consider us their equals, they are incredibly judgemental against our work, which is incredibly underfunded when compared to Global North universities. Even though linguistics is in the social sciences orbit and seems that it is more obvious to me than to "hard" sciences colleagues, there is certainly no social context-free generation of knowledge. I think that we all should read Peter Singer's "Famine, Affluence, and Morality" to stop pretending that our professional practice exempts us from more earthly affairs. And again, thank you for this and all your videos. You are just incredible.

[@rogerforsman5064]

Isn't Wagner a name from the Colonialist Global North? And Carlos from Spain also a Colonialist Global North country!

[@carloswagner3621]

@@rogerforsman5064 Yes it is, sir. So what's your point?

[@ElianalaDivina]

This! I’m planning to major in anthropology with a general focus on Latin America and Mexican studies, and it’s so interesting that every time I tell people that, they have such an interesting reaction. The preservation, celebration, and learning is something that I’ve always seen as incredibly important, as a Mexican-American myself. But a lot of people look at me strangely or ask the weirdest questions (ex. “Are you sure you want to move to Mexico?” “There’s other areas to study”). Thank you for the work you are doing, and I hope to be part of it in the future!

[@ximono]

Thanks for giving your perspective as a linguist. I just wanted to say that you have some really cool languages in the Americas. I wish I could think in Nahuatl. I find it interesting how ancient languages and philosophies of the Pacific side of the Americas share some traits with ancient languages and philosophies of the Pacific side of Asia. Verb-oriented languages, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I definitely see resemblances to Eastern philosophies in some cultures. The similarities can be uncanny at times, like the names Teotl and Tao. But that can of course just be coincidence too.

[@shanewilson2484]

As a Mexican are you ashamed that your leaders have been like AMLO ... white settler imperialist stock from the global north?

[@vitoriaxavier286]

cant imagine how brave you must be for coming to the internet on a 3-hour-long essay about a topic people in your field have spent decades avoiding. Thank you so much for your content, and as a latina physics major dropout, I wish someone like you had crossed my algorightm when I was starting college. Its painful when you are inside this machinery you always dreamed of becoming a part of and realize its just another engine of the system is built in.

[@physicseducation69]

@@vitoriaxavier286 it's not a machinery neither a part of something bigger. Anyone can be a student of physics regardless of their academic credentials or duties especially in an age where information is so easily available . Infact, many big names in physics were like that. All it takes is a curious mind & a passion for discovery. Not people obsessed with watching youtube & identifying with one's race online. Interesting people are far too busy to engage in that stuff.

[@TNoelani]

5:55 As a Kanaka Maoli wahine I can state from my naʻau, no more telescopes will be built on Mauna Kea. The lāhui have spoken, and it's time for colonizers to finally listen. Ua mao ke ea o ka ʻāina i ka pono. Kū kiaʻi mauna. Kū kiaʻi pae ʻāina. Kūʻē! 🌋✊️

[@Uluhe]

Eō!!!

[@yunglynda1326]

🙏🏾solidarity from a desi turtle islander

[@sandracpal]

The algorithm finally did something for me. I am a Physicist from the Canary Islands (also colonised by Spain btw) who’s deeply interested in colonial dynamics. I have always felt that building these giant telescopes on such fragile and unique land was absolutely disgraceful, now I have all the facts. Thanks ❤💚🖤

[@ximono]

To add to what you said, the mountains were sacred to the native peoples of Canary Islands. Even though they were brutally crushed and assimilated by the Spanish, they never managed to entirely eradicate their heritage, traditions and worldview. Geneticists have found that the "Guanches", who were related to "Berbers", still constitute about ⅔ of the maternal gene pool of modern day Canarios.

[@Jstce4all]

You must than be an Amazigh, no?

[@sebastiantill8019]

The natives of the Canary Islands are Berbers - an ethnicity that has enslaved many times more people than all Europeans combined.

[@ximono]

@@Jstce4allI'm not from the Canary Islands myself, but yes, they are related to the Imazighen. You can also see a relation in the language of the "Guanches".

[@ShinimagisFTW]

I take full responsibility for colonizing your people's islands.

[@DrAnarchy69]

Fun fact: Zionism was actually a CHRISTIAN ideology starting out in the 17th century. Makes sense since settler colonialism isn't exactly a very Jewish thing. That of course makes Zionism even more gross Edit: believe it or not, no we do NOT "deserve" a homeland. Jews have always WILLINGLY been a diaspora. Ever since before the Roman takeover of Judea, we have spread out, creating community wherever we are. Jews are of every race and from everywhere in the world. I find that beautiful. It is very anarchic in that for Jews, the world is our homeland. That's another reason why I believe that Judaism is inherently Anarchist

[@jimmyrrpage]

"That's another reason why I believe that Judaism is inherently Anarchist." Which is what makes Jewish support for all this even more baffling. I agree with you. Socialism and even Anarchism are so very Jewish when you dig into them. The fucking Fascism of Zionism is so antithetical to the history of Judaism that, for me, the fact that so many Jews are Zionists gives me genuine whiplash. You would think "Zionist Jew" would be a contradiction in terms, for what seem to me to be obvious reasons. Then again, I was raised as a Zionist. My dad, while largely liberal, is pretty staunchly Zionist (also Jewish clergy so it does kinda make sense even while it angers me). I've been doing my own unlearning of Zionism, and I still don't feel comfortable giving Hamas... anything at all... let alone the benefit of the doubt. I still have an emotionally negative reaction to the literal term "anti-Zionist", as well (I can't bring myself to call myself one, though I won't necessarily correct others who call me that). October 7th fucking hurt. But Zionism *also* fucking hurts. The genocide Israel is committing *also* fucking hurts. And it's so obvious how Israel's genocidal actions in Gaza are literally creating the next generation of Hamas. This whole thing is not going to end, and it really is Israel's fault.

[@feijoalfi1527]

where did you get the info, that zionism was a christian ideology? it has always been a dream of a lot of jews to return to zion since the babylonian captivity. that's where the idea started. and it may be true, that there is a certain beauty in the diversity and anarchistic aspects of diaspora life, but it's never been anyone's choice and the effects have been devastating; endless prosecution and antisemitic ressentiments resulting in the shoa. so how do you prevent something like this to ever happen again if not with a safe space for jewish life? that's what I think is important for everyone to understand. everything else, including the geopolitical story and the culmination of that idea is debateable, for sure.

[@Ross-cecil]

@@feijoalfi1527 like 5 years ago VICE did a good documentary on the evangelical pro-Israel funding/voting culture. It doesn't really dig into the European origins of Christian Zionism, but it does a good job at painting a picture of how this is all upheld primarily through their political/lobbying power

[@MrCmon113]

I don't believe that you believe anything so obviously stupid. Anyone, who ever read in the Torah, knows that you're full of shit.

[@MrCmon113]

@@jimmyrrpage If Israel is committing genocide how tf are Hamas hiding behind Palestinian non-combatants? Imagine American GIs using concentration camp prisoners as human shields against the Nazis. That's the level of absurdity you're committed to.

[@mclev9375]

devastated by that ending. grief truly is love that has nowhere to go. maybe mine can find a place too. thank you for the ressources, and the work, and your vulnerability.

[@kennethhymes9734]

My late mother was intimately involved with the negotiations around the telescope in Hawaii, one of the white anthropologists for some undoubtedly racist reason recruited to weigh in, and I am deeply embarrassed by her excuses for participating in what was essentially a rubber stamp whitewash. I care more about the hearts of Hawaiians and the reclamation of what colonialism has damaged... whatever that telescope sees can wait... and in fact we now have a telescope in space, far better. This is ego and empire.

[@Frostwho]

Japan and us could have just use a different site and all the problems would go away but being the government, they wanted a site that’s half way between Japan and the US. Why do politicians seem to have these weird obsession to oppress minorities.

[@brave-i9l]

@@Frostwho If Hawaii did not belong to the United States, your life would not be much different from Papua New Guinea. If you are not satisfied with the United States, you can withdraw from the United States or immigrate.

[@Frostwho]

@@brave-i9l if you are not satisfied with my statement you can just stfu and be gone.

[@john2g1]

​​@@brave-i9l a couple of things... Hawaii wasn't a state until 1959. Admittedly the kingdom of Hawaii was losing its autonomy before 1959, but the point is Hawaii made it well into modernity without the United States. You should really read up in the history of Hawaii. The Hawaiian state flag is identical to the kingdom of Hawaii flag. The Kingdom of Hawaii had this flag because it was an ally and trading partner with the UK and the US for a long time. That's a 180+ year old flag. Lastly, why would someone leave their land because they object to their rulers? Should all of Ireland immigrated from the UK? No, Ireland fought for change until it happened in the form of independence. Scotland fought for change, but chose to remain united. A person can want change while still staying loyal to their country.

[@brave-i9l]

@@john2g1 How could Hawaii modernize and improve itself without the help of the United States? Or rely on Japanese leadership? Without Americans entering Hawaii, the lives of Hawaiians would not be much better than those of other Pacific island nations. Whether they are in the UK or not, Ireland and Scotland are Christian countries and will follow the path of democracy, freedom, fairness and the rule of law.

[@Sorenzo]

Does Congress realize that passing a bill saying "literally everyone is anti-Semitic" only results in the word losing even more meaning than before?

[@bunnybreaker]

That's not a bug, that's a feature.

[@nos9784]

Maybe Crime/ antisemitism/ "wrong" can pragmatically be defined as "whatever the power structure currently wants to repress or use to repress groups it can be blamed on"

[@hexalm]

​​@@nos9784bingo-I was thinking along those lines listening to someone from Amnesty International talk about the deterioration of the post-1948 order. She's not all wrong, but it's ironic that the UN contravention of its charter re: Palestine came to fruition in that exact year. But basically the rules are there as a veil of legitimacy, and have always been disregarded by any power that can do so when it is convenient, just like you say.

[@alclay8689]

they do not. It's more about being able to categorize anyone as a terrorist/radical/hate crime/etc that they need to silence. We're all guilty of crimes if they need to dig something up.

[@analias1983]

it means that news organizations can condemn anti-israel """anti semitic"" protestors and liberals can feel morally right in being happy that cops are once again arresting peaceful protestors who against the palestinian occupation

[@boazlevy7298]

Dr. Fatima, I sincerely appreciate your preface to the section on Palestinian liberation. It was refreshing to see this understanding of the Jewish perspective without decentering the Palestinians. I was very touched by the care you took to address antisemitism, acknowledge its role in various political movements, and affirm that anti-Zionism is not antisemitic. I really appreciated how you complicated the raciliazation of Jews, Palestinians, and Israelis. I personally appreciate how you noted the complexity in interreligious relations before Zionism. I research MENA Jews and it's rare people recognize that Jews in Palestine before Zionism were oppressed to an extent, but lived much more harmoniously with their non-Jewish neighbors than Jews in Europe. Thank you so much

[@hishlev]

@@canalzinhaI don’t think being a Jew in the Ottoman Empire was as equally bad as ending up in concentration camps in Europe.

[@craigmusa2254]

​@@canalzinhau do realize Europe had so much antisemitism from the Middle Ages all the way to the 1900s

[@craigmusa2254]

@@canalzinha there were jews in india?? I didn't think that was a demographic at all

[@craigmusa2254]

@@canalzinha u know after the crusades jews and Muslims and Christians lived together basically in relative piece until WW1

[@craigmusa2254]

@@canalzinha mid evil middle east Muslims & jews actually got along

[@MattBowser129]

This is the best video essay that I've ever seen about colonialism, specifically how the essay highlights that colonialism's foremost strength in the imperial core lies in the implicit support of the uncommitted majority. The whole presentation is incredibly moving. This is important work.

[@cornballmcgoo7174]

we are committed the tmt will be built even if every loser opposed to it has to be locked up for years to make it happen

[@billyalarie929]

@@cornballmcgoo7174your username is accurate as shit. Glad I didn’t have to waste any brain power to get there, you did the work for me. And that’s just the first page of the book, the prologue.

[@thegreatergood8081]

Either do better than Europeans or stop whining.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

​@@jossaccountofmadnessandmem1844 lmao

[@duolingoowl920]

Is it though

[@wrongturn_w]

OMG! This is my favorite physics KZbin channel!

[@THATGuy5654]

Reaching the end of a long video, washing the dishes through tears.

[@DaPhunkeeFeel1]

The optics/telescopes joke got me

[@DOPEDOGTOPDOG]

she doesnt know anything about astronomy, three sentences in , she says a bigger telescope increases resolution power : WRONG even a pair of binoculars can have a greater resolution power than a telesope , every amateur hobbyist knows that, even 10 yearold know that : she never touched a telescope in her life , period .She is just a pretty face paid by Israel to read their script and parrot their narrative : she is reading the exact same talking points than every "pro-palestine " channels on YT : it's all controled opposition .

[@arlenechambers5627]

Thank you my Libyan Sister for sharing this important information about colonization and how the dots connect astronomically. The colonized definitely relate and understand each other. Solidarity ✊🏿🇱🇾🇵🇸🇾🇪🇺🇸

[@ixeixes6626]

I am Bob. It is not that I don't feel for the suffering of others, but that I am overwhelmed by it. I retreat from those emotions among my friends and family who do the same. I tell myself I am good because of my quiet thoughts while I passively consume video essays like this one. I simultaneously thrive under capitalistic white supremacist patriarchy and struggle in a nuclear family isolated from larger community. I have never felt so devastated by a piece of media. I want to do more to help, to stop causing harm, but even now I wonder if I will slide again into comfortable banality.

[@Cynthia63636]

There's only 1 person that can change this for you. Start with building community, try and find groups around you with similar interests.

[@scout8145]

In many ways, I am Bob, too. I avoid the feeling of powerlessness by over-intellectualizing things instead of feeling them. I think the most powerful way we can start is to just fully experience those feelings. Allow yourself to feel that devastation, and express it in any way you can. Cry, talk to others in your life, journal about it, empathize with the experiences you have that overlap (such as any form of grief), and recognize which experiences you can’t personally experience but respect the gravity of them anyway. Even if you’re not ready to share those feelings publicly, just feeling them at all is a step in the right direction. The only way we can stop avoiding our feelings is to let ourselves fully process them. And if you slide back, that’s okay, too. Just keep trying again, and eventually it will become a habit.

[@timmysleftnutsack5075]

Bob is self aware, and I think that’s the biggest step one can take.

[@bort13]

Thanks, Bob. -- Bob

[@birgitmitchell5648]

This is an amazing video!!! It can be really hard to "find oneself" as an ALLY ... LOTS of libraries and universities will have information& groups to help you. I grew up as that weird READER hippy girl white kid who moved all the time and was teased as a " commie- n××××-lover etcetcetc. I recall refusing to write a paper on "why America was THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD"In 8th grade & HAVING THE WHOLE CLASS & THE WHITE TEACHER BROW BEAT & GRILL ME FOR 2 HOURS. 😂😢😅....&that was just one day. Ever after the class, the native American Indian kid who i thought was my friend, called me a " commy" for my views on the importance of having& helping All humanity Just follow your newfound ❤ felt principles& go to social causes meetings & demonstrations & find like minded people, little by little. Now I'm a Grandma& in Im still getting educated daily & organizsing& demonstrating about/on all the places in the world that are suffering from horrific oppression !!

[@davidtyner1578]

At timestamp 2:26:15 It’s a poem in Arabic called “Fakkir bi Ghayrak” “Think of other people besides yourself” Dr Fatima’s Arabic word translation on screen: "As you prepare breakfast, Think of others... Don't forget the pigeon’s food As you wage your wars, Think of others... Do not forget those who demand peace. As you pay the water bill, Think of others... … those who are sustained by the clouds. As you return home - to your home - think of others... … do not forget those who live in tents. As you sleep and count the planets, Think of others... … those who cannot find a place to sleep. As you express yourself in metaphores, Think of others... …those who have lost their right to speak. And as you think of others in far off places, think of YOURSELF... …say: "may I be a candle in the darkness." AN ALTERATIVE TRANSLATION Poetry by Mahmoud Darwich "Fakir bi rayrik" "Think of others" "While preparing your lunch, Think of other people... Don't forget the crumbs of dove As you fight, Think of other people... Don't forget those who call for peace Paying your water bill, Think of other people... Those who hold the clouds On my way home sweet home, Think of other people... Remember the refugees As I sleep counting stars, Think of other people... To those whose dreams are suffocated Writing to you using metaphores, Think of other people... Those whose words are suppressed Thinking of others who have moved away from you Think about you... Say, "provided I'm a glow in their darkness" From Poésie de Mahmoud Darwich... - Apprentissage de l'Arabe littéraire | Facebook facebook.com/100064626044220/posts/275704372555092/ Another singing the poetry kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnLbmGN-eNqIoJosi=BORZw7jjHBzn2X2U

[@cyclonebee8175]

So she's ethnically part of the people that trafficked so many ethnically European people they invented a word for it called slave.. always good to be lectured about how bad ethnic European people are by the descendant of people who exploited ethnic European people. Even funnier is that she lives in a country created by and speaks the language of ethnic Europeans. In fact her entire education and the concept of Her having rights is because of ethnic Europeans. So she felt that bad she would denounce her education stop speaking English and leave the United States.. But she won't lol.

[@kahlilbt]

شكرا

[@surfernorm6360]

Why do you spend so much time defending a religion that women are second class citizens. All of the Abrahamic religions have big problems but Islam is the one that will probably never get better because Mohamed says so

[@einwol]

Thank you for being so raw and honest throughout and especially at the end

[@BooksRebound]

That bad optics joke was so stupid lmao. I cackled lol, I LOVE it!

[@derekcope3803]

Zionism is what made me leave the church I grew up in. That was hard, as my Dad was the pastor.

[@MoeKyorosuke]

Bro I relate so much. My dad is a pastor and my whole church is openly Zionist. Its a super frustrating position to be in

[@inaworldfulloftrashbagsbet2023]

​@@MoeKyorosukeboth of my yall are brave asf, i admire yall

[@john2g1]

I simultaneously do not understand Zionists, anti-Semitic, and we're pro Israel because we want Armageddon people who allege to be Christians. I read the book and I don't see the first two view points. As for the third GOD was pretty clear no one will know so... Side note GOD was also clear that the "church" was when we commune with our fellow believers. Don't let the bad ideas of a few cause you to lose faith. You might be what brings them back to the correct path.

[@brave-i9l]

@@MoeKyorosuke There are many Arab Christians in Israel, and they are not depressed.

[@matthummel8306]

​@@brave-i9l there are many arab christians in Palestine and they're depressed

[@AaronHendu]

Interesting topic for a Canadian who sees how what is left of our genocided native people are treated. It is disguting and happening in plain view and nobody cares, just life as usual.

[@AaronHendu]

And our predominantly white population blames the natives for "being drunks or addicts"...the most effortless dehumanization ever, I guess. "You wiped yourselves out by drinking, we had nothing to do with it!". That is how the average white dude thinks here.

[@Respectrogram]

As a burgeoning amateur astronomer with a love for celestial observation, I too have been struck by the community’s apathy regarding the topic. Thank you for casting your own wide lens on the cause with such heartfelt and soulful connection to it. Your words and your deliberations are poignant.

[@badwolf69420]

All communities are self-serving and focused primarily on what they believe to be in their self-interests. It doesn't surprise me that most people in STEM fields don't prioritize social movements, just like many sociologists don't care about STEM and call their projects "stupid".

[@alfonsstekebrugge8049]

She ignores that most Hawaiians don't really care a whole lot about the telescope. I think polls showed considerable support for it even on Hawaii, but I am not sure whether this was a proper poll. Regardless, they do care about the colonialism though and a large group has seen enough. The telescope then is just a symbol if you ask me. There are already many telescopes up there, they are benign instruments of science. One more doesn't change a thing so to speak. The actual problem is the navy base (good luck protesting that) and the tourism (again, can't be effectively protested) along with economic policies that just screw over the average Hawaiian.

[@QualityGentry]

This is one of the best video essays ive seen in. A long while. Thorough, funny, emotional, compassionate, razor sharp and incisive, challenging... visually interesting but not letting the content be lost behind style. The history was well researched and explained and the principles clear and strong. I have a million thoughts and feelings this has stirred but they arent super cogent or like. Stuff other ppl need to hear so. Well done and thanks so much.

[@grandsome1]

Powerful stuff, a candle in the darkness.

[@adriananabananana]

this video is SO F*CKING GOOD! As someone with a Master's in reproductive health I have DEFINITELY been told to compartmentalize my emotions and have seen some atrocious points of views. Even now working in a fertility clinic I see these colonial mindsets in all my coworkers and in the clinical procedures and I hate it. It is SO pervasive and once you know how to look for it you see it everywhere. Free Palestine man.

[@brandonsaffell4100]

May the algorithm bless this content and put it before as many eyes as it is able.

[@wamiogunbi]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video.

[@xxi__]

Thank you for this. As a college educator in the Philippines, I have geared all of my lessons to collective actions. I teach communication theories, research writing, and multimedia production, so I guess these lend themselves well to practical communal applications. Ever since October 7th, I have also helped my students in my own little way how what's been happening in Gaza and Palestine has also happened to our country, and how solidarity and public support are needed for everyone to be liberated. I prioritize having my students learn why their lessons matter beyond the classroom, and it has been arduous but meaningful. Not everyone gets it, but I am elated at the ones who do. I hope that everyone finds places to put their love into, especially with how painful everywhere seems to be these days. May we support each other to be truly free, and may our humanity reflect the best of us. Free Palestine.

[@II-jz1zo]

I’m someone who loves space and astronomy and how small we are in the universe, but I’m not the universe. I haven’t been here for billions of years. I’m a person and my whole life I will be living the small life of a person and seeing the other people who are here just for this time in history. No matter how existential I can get, everyone’s life is significant to them and others. Though the vast universe is cold and empty, I can walk outside and feel the sun and the air around me. I can be moved by people and art. I can experience the beauty of the world and this life. And I can take action to let others experience beauty, peace and love too when so many had that taken away from them. Thank you for making this video. I’ve never seen your channel before and I am so appreciative I had this video recommended.

[@billwolfe9048]

Keep doing what you do. It matters. Your channel here matters. Thank you for the hope and inspiration.

[@vonduus]

This may be the best lecture on astronomy I have heard in my whole life. Which says a lot, as I am old. The subtle connections between astronomy and genocide shown in a very well structured and elaborate argument was worth the full three hours. Cheers from Denmark!

[@allyssaward5691]

I've been waiting so long for a new video from you and my god was it worth it. Anyway, the part where you talked about the viewpoint of some people to just say "well you shouldn't worry about [genocide] on the other side of the world because it doesn't affect you" because I've had this exact argument with my mother ad nauseam. To preface, my mother and I are unambiguously white. I married my husband last April and my mom has been increasingly hounding me to give her grandchildren. Here's the thing, my husband is indigenous Mexican and we've had conversations where he's mentioned that the people being slaughtered in Gaza look not that different from people from his rural hometown in Mexico, and when you look at before pictures of Gaza, the architecture and street markets do not look dissimilar to that of towns in Mexico that I have visited with my husband. Back to my mom, I've stressed to her my insecurities about bringing children into a world that in no uncertain terms had decided that the lives of children don't matter. In one particularly heated argument with her about how I'm not going to say "both sides are bad" when there are videos of parents screaming and cradling their mangled dead children just pulled from the rubble, and my mom had the audacity to say "this is just war" and "what about Ukraine". I genuinely just want my mom to understand that because of who I married, any grandchildren I give her will look more like the Palestinians trapped in an open air concentration camp being bombed en masse than the Ukrainians that European reporters sobbed on camera about how the "blonde and blue eyed, European Christians" had to flee to neighboring counties. She hasn't grasped that I can't just be ambivalent to children being violently murdered especially when they remind me so much of my husband's niece who was only 6 when I first started dating my husband 6 years ago. I want to make it clear that while I feel like most people not detached from their humanity should be horrified about the mass slaughter of thousands of mothers, fathers and children, we do live in a racialized society that arbitrarily decides who's death is a tragedy, and who's is just an outcome of how war is. In my case, I reject the notion that what's happening to Palestinians doesn't impact me as a privileged white woman, because I know that if I do have children, they will be half Mexican and be subject to racialized American society. Furthermore, I do feel like I hold some responsibility to speak out against policies that will rationalize racism towards my husband and my in-laws who have only ever shown me love and kindness. Sorry for the long-winded rant, but I do want to emphasize how white people should care about dismantling colonialism and systemic racism even if it doesn't explicitly benefit them as white people.

[@TheRasta25]

You are one of the most genius people I have ever watched in KZbin amazing

[@RealityHasAWokeBias]

What a fantastic video essay. It's great to have another video from you and your time on this platform is greatly appreciated.

[@autumnleaves7907]

Agreed

[@griffinblades8475]

Alexander Avila sent me here. You now have a new subscriber

[@diddymelone2265]

such in important video. I shared it and thought that if people do not want to invest the time to watch a 3 hour video, they probably shouldnt feel entitled to have a strong opinion on something that involves thousands of lifes (and deaths) of human beings.

[@jonathanwaldron7368]

I think about how my PhD in Biomedical Sciences and the end point being an expensive medical application that most individuals in the world will never have access to. In a world where a toilet and clean water could improve world health far more. You have made a compelling case that colonialism is built in to the foundations of academia. As a white half Colombian man, I hope I could make my career worth it through joining in the struggle. It seems the lofty academic ideals are just not worth it. Thank you again for a wonderful thoughtful and inspiring presentation. You Rock! I learned so much and have been deeply moved by your voice.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Or like cats we dig the soil, then cover it? Our intake should be fruit off bushes, trees and shrubs?

[@martinemaggi8507]

I really like that you remind us to take breaks and take deep breaths and re-engage when ready and relaxed

[@Ksweetpea]

I'm a scientist crushed under the exhaustion of the world and the hopes and dreams I had and this video is another little twig rekindling the fire I had when I was younger. I recognize my privledge as a white woman born in the United States and raised in the United States and going to school in the United States, all of it on land taken from indigenous people. I know I can't singlehandedly change something as momentous as a genocide on the other side of the world that my country has a heavy hand in. My grief for my best friend and for a friend uncannily like yours doesn't have anywhere to go. But damn it I'm trying to stoke this little fire in my soul because I can't bear the apathy any more

[@showmethetreaty]

hawaiian studies grad student here. the only correction i would make to act 1 is that there was no annexation. congress couldnt get the paperwork to go through during any og the times they tried. they used a joint resolution to "annex" Hawaiʻi because a majority vote was easier to get than a 2/3. joint resolution =/= annexation and never can. but thats enough for its own 2 and half hour video. mahalo nui for your work on this video

[@RomeroRomeral]

As a Chilean whose parents lived through the dictatorship, thank you for this video ❤

[@Carimbo575]

This was seriously one of the best things I have ever watched on KZbin.

[@camedinaastro]

Amazing video!, I really appreciated it, thanks for opening up to the community at that last part. I'm a master's student in astrophysics in Baja California, México. I've worked at the National Astronomical Observatory in San Pedro Mártir (one of the three options for the installation of the TMT project) and seeing at the beauty and the technical and astronomical potential that OAN-SPM has, I don't understand how you could have 2 perfectly suitable options with government and land consent (Chile and México), and the scientific community prefer to go with the third, slightly good but blatantly colonial option. Like, you genuinely have to be apathetic about the moral side of the issue or you think of Hawaii as a tourist destination and think that the "vacational" side of the observation outdones any social cause.

[@e5f6ohuyd4s9]

It is necessary to question and change the why and for who in our scientific work. As an archeology student here in chile, with a focus precisly in the atacama region, there is some thoughts i would like others to hear. Archeology suffered and suffers of the same problems of colonialsm mentioned here, but the path is not set in stone, working with communities, colaboration and not just boycott IS POSSIBLE and it isnt just about names and symbolic changes, if we do a science that is useful to the people we cherish for a better future and with them, we make better science. Astronomy isnt just about numbers and physics, people love astronomy because its beatiful and that can be worked in collaboration with these communities, with the people, its obvious why a site like that would become sacred, the sky is beautiful after all, and learning can be beautiful too. Humanity and knowledge is not doomed, not yet, we have to fight for a future

[@e5f6ohuyd4s9]

Idk if anyone will read this but if you are interested in learning about the problems of colonialism in archeology, and the political changes i would recommend reading the work of Hamilakis. Here in south america a lot of scientific and innovative work is being done in collaboration with indigenous communities

[@e5f6ohuyd4s9]

Regarding the topic of palestine idk much about israli archeological institutions but they seem to label everything as "israel" and as in previous colonial wars these conditions fund a lot of archrologicsl and scientific work and they should be utterly shitted on. You dont get to do science for colonialism or the industrial complex, science should be for humanity for everyone in the whole world. That was the humanist dream that founded science and that cspitalism deformed

[@e5f6ohuyd4s9]

Regarding the topic of palestine idk much about israli archeological institutions but they seem to label everything as "israel" and as in previous colonial wars these conditions fund a lot of archrologicsl and scientific work and they should be utterly shitted on. You dont get to do science for colonialism or the industrial complex, science should be for humanity for everyone in the whole world. That was the humanist dream that founded science and that cspitalism deformed

[@e5f6ohuyd4s9]

As hamilakis puts it isnt about ethics in science, its about science itself and the political to always remember why and for who we do what we do. The segmentation of these political topics to an ethics undernote in the paper or the investigation about meaningless stuff is either useless or just posturing

[@e5f6ohuyd4s9]

If anyone is reading this rant, please dont let the cruelty of capitalism and greed of this world kill your spirit, your interest for working or learning something, for working for a better world even if a single contribution to seing a star faraway that if its done for the people, is far more valuable that anything a big oil baron made in their lives. That beauty maybe "useless", but it is something great

[@RandyMoe]

Love your mind and fight. Be well

[@ahumanbeena]

I had to stop & breathe so many times. And cry. And when I'd gather myself & resume the video you were breathing too. The cycle of colonial violence must end, every tendril. Thank you for reminding me of where to put my love.

[@brave-i9l]

It is your religion, not Christian democracies, that continues to harm people with violence.

[@cristian-gabrielgaldamezbr3810]

How can you be so weak lol

[@mabel8124]

I entered on the title ready to learn something new to get incensed about and came out the other side blubbering, too.

[@brave-i9l]

You need to learn that it is often the dictators of their own nation who bring violent harm to the people. Britain and the United States have never carried out large-scale violence against their colonies. Life became better for most people in the British and American colonies.

[@ahumanbeena]

@@cristian-gabrielgaldamezbr3810 you're wayyy weaker if you don't cry over horrific war crimes. What's the point if somebody who can't care? They won't react strongly or provide any defense or support. Useless to humanity fr

[@atlas_cass]

Thank you. As a fellow sad academic, albeit I study history, so I am very familiar with the grief of the world, thank you. You put into words some feelings I've had for a while.

[@gracewhite2341]

For the algorithm ❤ thank you for this

[@laurag7547]

This is one of the best video essays on the tube 👍 I was raised a Christian zionist American and without the internet and access to videos like this I would never have even questioned my beliefs. Thanks for posting! 🇸🇩🇮🇪🇿🇦

[@LuxLucidOfficial]

The sad thing is, many still don't bother to change their viewpoints by giving other voices besides their own a decent chance. Bless you for being compassionate further than those who simply agree, and extending it to all humankind; your special viewpoint could help others that believe things you used to, to help open your eyes!

[@sang9107]

12:09 "Hawaii was recently colonised" *me standing on a country only 61 years old

[@dirkieoo7]

Love your insight thanks for the info

[@Crescent-Adam]

Been starving for a new video from you but I was sure once the latest "G-word" started that you'd incorporate it in some way which would probably push the video back (to say nothing of the mental, emotional & physical tolls you must have went through). Looking fwd to the premiere. Ramadan Kareem btw!

[@KepSquiPu]

G-word?

[@Crescent-Adam]

@@KepSquiPu what's happening in Palestine. KZbin and the almighty Algorithm hate certain terms so I was trying to avoid affecting this video's reach in any way (I don't actually know if it would affect it but better be safe).

[@coderamen666]

​@@KepSquiPuICJ go brr hehehe

[@gloverfox9135]

G-spot?

[@Hitoritaka]

You know, I feel like the irony of poetry to deal might SEEM like irony, but as MY field was/is linguistics there's a beauty you brought to mind (amongst the MANY things you brought to mind) in the sacrosanctity of communication between our hearts and the hope that those who pervert that will someday be unable to. I imagine you were a great scientist, but you're a HELL of a human and artist.

[@davidtyner1578]

Are, it never dims

[@TKestrel]

2:14:00 For better context, but this point is amazingly well-put

[@callistocharon]

I graduated in 2009 from UCSB and had to take a "Global Studies" class in my last year to fill some dumb GE requirement despite getting a degree in ethnomusicology. The UCSB Global Studies department was definitionally supposed to teach history and economics from a non-Western perspective, but my jaw hit the floor when some Islamophobic a-hole started going off about all Muslims being terrorists and full of hate in discussion section and the English TA running the section did nothing to question that narrative. Naturally, because I'm an uppity and outspoken POC woman, I had to open my mouth to argue back because the TA was being useless and thus became the most hated person in my discussion section. The experience still lives in my head rent-free, and I'm not even MENA.

[@MouldMadeMind]

@@canalzinha would you judge christianity for all of european colonialism?

[@Desimere]

@@MouldMadeMind I think it's true that some religions are worse than others, ofc Christianity being at the top of the list due to how widespread their influence among the powerful is. It seems to me that monotheism and being in power rather than in minority are both risk factors of a religion developing oppressive tendencies and/or branches. Islam is like the little brother of Christianity, similarly used for justifying violence, but just on a smaller scale.

[@burninghard]

@@canalzinha Throughout history muslim countries especially during medieval times were a lot more open to religious minorities within their borders than most Christian countries. It is true though that most majority muslim countries tend to oppress minorities and ethnic groups through violent means in modern times. The question remains if that´s due to their religion or their political history. And when you look at the fact that most secular countries on the globe are those that tend to have the population with the least inequality I´d say it´s not so much related to religion rather than well being of the respective population. Or would you really be surprised if the Palestinian people of Gaza when this "war" is over will become more inclined to become muslim extremists? Are you surprised by the radical militant interpretation of Jesus mainly pacifistic teachings by American Evangelicals? Hindu extremism in India? Buddhist extremism in Myanmar? I feel sorry for what your grandparents had to endure but spin the thought just a little further. Let´s say your grandparents were killed and your parents sent into prison and you were robbed of all economic opportunities. And let´s further pretend someone came along and told you the problem is Islam and that teh Christian god is the right way to counter this oppresive religion. You don´t think there would be a chance to get persuaded by that logic? Of course it is an oversimplification but imho there is a much larger correlation between social injustice than between relgion and violent extremism if you want to make comparisons.

[@kurtklingbeil6900]

​@@MouldMadeMind damn right! The euroTyrranies attacked invaded occupied genocided depopulated enslaved all of Turtle Island and Africa and Southeast Asia on the basis of the Doctrine of Discovery - a flagrantly fraudulently petulantly contemptuously Christian white supremacist trope - issued as Papal Edicts and Bulls(hit) by the Church of Imperial Rome - which purported to grant divine Authority to the premise that so-called civilized nations could summarily take, with absolute impunity and immunity, the property and lands and lives of people who they deemed to be uncivilized barbaric savage sub-human. DoD was never formally renounced repudiated rebuked repealed reversed and reparations made and paid and it remains the foundation for all of the colonies-turned-countries on Turtle Island and Africa and Southeast Asia.

[@wangsunfuh8889]

@@Desimere sneed.

[@nuph]

I hardly ever comment online, but this video deserves the boost. What an incredibly thorough and thought provoking video, I was deeply moved

[@DavidJohnson-xr2rz]

THANK YOU FOR THE BEST EXPLANATION AND ANALYSIS OF THE ISRAEL VS PALESTINIAN CONFLICT I'VE EVER HEARD.

[@Mingolorian]

"If there's something that can't have bad optics, it's telescopes" 😹😹😹

[@OrotundBucket]

Alexander Avil recommended your video in his recent community shoutout. This was really great. Look forward to checking out your other videos

[@sagetenshi]

I think your point at 2:13:50 of tying Bell Hook's Will To Change with Bob's perspective is excellently spotted and expressed. I'm an Irish guy from a working class background and some of the more meaningful work I've done with a therapist in the past year has been in challenging my relationship to 'needing to be the breadwinner', a story that was handed down to me by my dad. The really fascinating side effect of this work is that it happened hand in hand with learning to challenge some of my perceptions around how I would be perceived by my peers in work if I did express my political opinions in a social context. I've had to reflect on how afraid I've been of rocking the boat and of how closely tied that is to a legacy of needing to be able to financially support a family some day. All of this to say that this part of the video heavily resonated with me and I think you've totally called out something really real here. If I could push the point a little bit further down the road and add a bit of extra personal context to develop the point, I think you'll start to uncover some REALLY interesting gendered stuff going on here when you take the point you've made and add in the relationship between men and shame. I've written enough already so I'll keep this brief, but reflecting on the role of shame in society and how that acts on me and the men in my life, why it causes them to act the way they do and make the life choices they make is really revealing. If you consider the effect shame can have in stifling empathy, plus the modes of being that patriarchy traditionally shames men for inhabiting I think it would help expand your point here EXCELLENT video overall btw, I could keep writing but tl;dr: loved this! subscribed!

[@sagetenshi]

And I'll just quote the bit of what you said that really hit home for me: "How we're able to tune out the suffering all over the world that's attached to our lives. Normalising the pain of the Other to alleviate the pain inherent in subjugating an other " "...it seemed like there was this protective emotional seal keeping people in little colonial cocoons where they didn't have to feel sad about the things that happen AROUND their work. And individually, those people may have been protecting themselves from the real psychological stress of contending with the sources and consequences of their privilege, but collectively, what theyre protecting are the colonial interests of the institutions they work for." "...because emotions, even bad ones, are information and the feeling of discomfort that comes with realising you've been complicit in systems of oppression, if confronted instead of avoided, is the information that can lead you to do something else." This plus your Edward Said quote later on - absolute brain-melter. Loved this so much.

[@kristinwatkins371]

Is it possible that you can provide transcripts of your video essays. I'm more of a reader and I think persons like myself can benefit tremendously from your work in a written format.

[@sef4610]

Hmmm 🤔 Rational, thoughtful, intelligent, insightful, informative, honest, unflinching, and grounded in morality & decency... Bound to be unpopular. Such is the world we live in. Please accept my heartfelt thanks Dr Fatima.

[@birgitmitchell5648]

This VIDEO IS INCREDIBLE! IT OFFERS A THOROUGH HISTORICAL, EDUCATIONAL, OVERVIEW OF WORLD HISTORY EQUIVALENT TO SEVERAL UNIVERSITY CLASSES!! NOT TO MENTION ASTRONOMY!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤️❤️❤️🍉🍉🍉🍉❤️⚡💫🌈🌟🌟🌟❤️❤️❤️🍉🍉🍉🍉🫐🫛🍓🍇🍇

[@BooksRebound]

1:09:22 *Cop Cities. Turns out there are 69 of them in the works. Just discovered that the other day.

[@punksk8a29]

Is it really 69 of them? I know they're building one in Hershey, PA that's like 3x the cost and 4x the size as ATL's.

[@yunglynda1326]

it's cop nation :/ disgusting

[@BooksRebound]

@@punksk8a29 Yeah. I guess they chose the number 69 cause they know how much cops constantly suck lmao.

[@CapPotato388]

Less than 2 min in and i knew this video and channel would be the highest of qualities. Also, you made me cry twice, so thank you, i appreciate every time i get to cry

[@sarkolas]

Finally a PhD in science with more political consciousness than a 5 years old kid.

[@johnbrooks6243]

And less than a 7 year old one Right...

[@sarkolas]

Why are you angry?

[@djgroopz4952]

I don't think that's a good thing..

[@RR_theproahole]

​@@sarkolaspeople get angry when their beliefs are challenged and they have no logical answers

[@oliviax727]

Trust me, we are more common than you think. It's a silent majority. But we are slowly learning to get louder

[@DerekFullerWhoIsGovt]

"Big Ass Telescopes"

[@nspireConnection]

70m parabolic were my charges, at 26 stories tall

[@pidgepagonis]

you went off and I’m here for it. Thank you for this. Loved the sentence about how Zionism and Judaism are about “the same” as manifest destiny and Christianity.