Astrophotography: Micro Four Thirds and Full Frame

[@MicroFourNerds]

Part two here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn2ulZ1umbZ9d7s

[@lumixographer2185]

FUN! FUN!! FUN!!! Photography as it should be. There are plenty of photographers on the web who focus on the facts. You go beyond that to the fun of photography! Your presentation is so infectious, it makes us feel like we're right there looking at the stars with you! My stars are single shot, G9, Laowa 7.5mm, ISO up to 6400, DxOPhotolab5 processing.

[@MicroFourNerds]

Thank you! Your setup sounds perfect for astro 😁 I’m very interested in trying the DxO software, I’ve heard lots of good things

[@TravelsByTrike]

I just signed up for your course. Astrophotography is something I've been wanting to learn for a long time. I just picked up a GH6 with the 10-25mm and 25-50mm lenses. Big and exciting purchases! I live full-time in an RV and will be heading out to the desert of Arizona to camp amongst the Saguaro cacti in another 2 weeks. I'm hoping to apply the course information to capture immersive time lapse and photos. So, so exciting!!

[@MicroFourNerds]

Amazing! And 1 - I am jealous of those lenses! And 2 - I am jealous of your location! You’ll get some amazing shots there for sure! Tag me in any astro stuff you get I’d love to see it if you post on Instagram!

[@joeltunnah]

I’m not at all interested in astrophotography, but this was fun to watch Emily. Micro4/3 never ceases to amaze me.

[@vaidehiarts]

We need a small update video on this one with the Lumix Leica 9 MM f/1.7 you last reviewed :)

[@MicroFourNerds]

Definitely!

[@danneukirch4486]

@@MicroFourNerds Yes, please do!

[@MicroFourNerds]

Which image did you like best?? What are your fave lenses/cameras for astro? If you’d like to see more of this shoot, and learn more about astrophotography, check out my mini course here: geni.us/PUXe

[@Astrolavista]

That little G100 did do a very well I thought however as we all probably expected the S5 was cleaner with more depth. Just goes to show that you can use what you've got and still get good results though. Thumbs up for a very nicely put together and interesting video.

[@MicroFourNerds]

Thank you! Yes I’d say my s5 photo was my fave - especially the latitude you have to push and pull the colours. So good!

[@hisownfool1]

I just watched this, and as an owner of the G100, all i can say is “Holy crap!” Also, thank you.

[@WhiteWulfe]

Interesting, I was going to ask if you'd done long exposures with the GH6, so hopefully you'll get a chance at that too in the near future! I'm quite glad you went the stacking route, as it can do so much with regards to increasing the signal against the noise. For DSO (Deep Sky Object) astrophotography, micro four thirds is a relatively popular sensor size (doubly so with dedicated cooled cameras). I'm really hoping the GH6 manages to outperform the GH5 and even match the GH5S for long exposure noise, as that would be a rather lovely perk to say the least.

[@expressivenebulae1188]

Sidenote: If you've ever dropped your phone/tablet then the gyroscope or compass in your device can massively mess with the accuracy of your apps such as: Night Sky, SkySafari, Stellarium, etc. etc. So do a few infinity loops with your device (horizontal 8s) and it'll have way better calibration. I drop my phone so damn often and sometimes it's a full 45 degrees off but a few calibration moves always puts it within a few degrees which is more than fine for milkyway photography.

[@MicroFourNerds]

That’s a great tip. I also drop my phone SO much I should probably double check mine 😂

[@pault5947]

All of them! Nice video, a pleasure to watch 👍

[@loushared6602]

Great video, Emily, I’m definitely interested in the course.

[@MicroFourNerds]

Wonderful! It was a lot of fun to make, the link is in the description if you’d like to learn more ☺️📸

[@onnie1968]

Thank you so much :) astro is something I've been wanting to do for so long, once I get some free time I'm gonna give it a go with my G9 and Sony A7III. Please keep the great content coming in. I really enjoy this channel, love your work :)

[@MicroFourNerds]

Thank you! Hope you get some great astro shots with your setup, and thanks so much for watching 😁

[@drontng]

Hi. Still waiting for 9mm f1.7 vs laowa 6mm f2 astro battle. Thanks

[@robertclark5874]

Great stuff! I never knew it could be so complex! I always used to point my tripod at the brightest stars, use the widest aperture, and make several shots with different iso/exposure combos to see which is sharpest. But of course those darn stars start to move after 12-15 seconds. But this is amazing that there are so many choices. But I'm very surprised that you are using lenses with >2 aperture.

[@JoshCameron]

Love this video, awesome photos!

[@MicroFourNerds]

Thank you!! You’ll have to get your S5 out for some astro it’s amazing for it!

[@MarcosBH]

G100 with the 7Artisans was my favorite.

[@artistjoh]

I would love to see astrophotography with the GH6. In this video, yet again the G100 surprises with how good it can be.

[@johnfeit5314]

A charming and informative video, as always.

[@sentineloffreedomforever1381]

I was really worried there for a few seconds I thought you were going to speak too loud there at night i'm glad you were whispering so that you didn't scare the stars away

[@MicroFourNerds]

😂 I was more bothered about the other people sleeping at the bottom of the hill

[@drdomestos]

Emily, it would be great to see some GH6 astrophotography when you have a chance...

[@OmarFadul]

The S5 is just fantastic. Even in youtube it is easy to see the superior quality, details, colors. Not even a thing to compare with those micro 4/3. The difference is just huge.

[@tobywoolgar9517]

I liked the g100 composition but damm the S5 image Quality looked amazing

[@BungalowBill58]

hi and thanks for you quick vid. I would like to get into astro photography BUT before I go and spend heaps of money on a new camera or telescope I would like to see if my old Olympus EPL-3 MFT would get any results. It has a 12mp sensor and the lenses that I have at the moment are the kit lenses which are 14-42mm 3.5-5.6 and 40-150mm 4-5.6. Should I get one of your recommended lenses or start afresh with a new kit. I am retiring in a few years and working on this as a new hobby. Thanks for any info in advance.

[@MicroFourNerds]

I think with that being a slightly older mft camera, it might struggle a bit in low light. But you can always give it a go and see!

[@BungalowBill58]

@@MicroFourNerds thankyou for your quick reply, I was curios enough to see if it would work as people on Budget Astro photography and I think Nico on Nebula Photos have done nice astro photos with cameras the same age, whether it is that they used Canons or Nikons I do not know. I het to get a good tripod and maybe a Skywatcher but I will let you know how it goes. Thanks again for your help, so many decisions to make ha ha.

[@MicroFourNerds]

@@BungalowBill58 good luck!! I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised 😊

[@DJBastor]

awesome video footage. what bortle do you got there? iam at bortle 4 in Germany. greetings from Bielefeld and CS stay save

[@MicroFourNerds]

Brecon Beacons National park is between 3-4 on the bortles scale. Which I’ve only been reading about this month actually! My hometown is definitely out of the picture! It’s 6-8!

[@mariusm2402]

Great images Emily. Thanks for the inspiration to get out into the dark and try astro with mft. My first and last try on astro photography was with a silly alpha 55slt in 2014.... The results were not at all worth the effort. However it seems that with mft is possible to get some decent shots. Will give the Oly EM1MIII with the f1.8 fish eye a try.

[@MicroFourNerds]

I also had that camera! The 55 and the 77slt. They were strange weren’t they? But I suppose revolutionary at the time! The 1.8 fisheye will be ideal - it’s much sharper and faster than the 7artisans one I use 😊 best of luck with it! 📸

[@mariusm2402]

@@MicroFourNerds they were basically the first (?) mirrorless cameras (of course I meant Sony not silly... Always correct Auto-correct 😂) with a quite impressive picture per second rate. However the view finder was strange. Back to the good new times. It's the right time to take some astro photos with the moon raise after midnight. Thanks to your video I will give it another try. 👍

[@davidaldridge6870]

Thanks Emily. Very useful comparisons. I hope to try my luck later in the year when I can get to a sufficiently dark location, using my Lumix G90 & 7Artisans 7.5mm lens (or Samyang 12mm f2.0). When using the 7Artisans lens, do you defish the image in post or leave as is?

[@MicroFourNerds]

I tend to leave them as-is, unless the foreground is very close to the image, then defishing can also work 😊

[@FlightBytes]

Fascinating video, i've learned loads - thank you! I have to ask though, at 4 minutes in, why are you whispering? 🤣🤣🤣

[@MicroFourNerds]

There were other people sleeping in similar pods really close by haha

[@Nordbiene]

Great video, thank You. Best regards. Kai, the bee filmer :)

[@neilchung9808]

Did you shot dark frames for those cameras?

[@AdamGell]

Great video!! Thanks for insight 🙏I purchased move shoot move.. when taking multiple photos using tracking device do you go have to reposition camera back to its original position? Thanks Adam

[@MicroFourNerds]

Hi! It moves so slowly it usually isn’t an issue, though definitely start with your foreground image without the MSM. it’s so easy to forget to take one!

[@AdamGell]

@@MicroFourNerds how many sky shots do you take for a stacking using the msm ?

[@MicroFourNerds]

@@AdamGell for my tracked images I just take one exposure of the sky and one for the foreground and merge them. Can get up to 5 mins of exposure if it’s set up correctly so loads of detail!

[@jbphotos4752]

G100 + 7artisans fisheye combination has taken all my best astro images so far! Its a great option if you are on a budget.

[@MicroFourNerds]

It’s so good isn’t it?! It blew me away! I literally set it up to Timelapse my progress and it ended up being one of the best images of the night. I love that fisheye lens it’s so underrated

[@tiggerable]

I think S5 I like the best. But I'm amazed about the other GH5 and even more about the G100. Question though; how would the GH6 do in this test? 🙂

[@MicroFourNerds]

Very good question! I would assume better than these two m43 cameras, as it is miles better in low light. I can’t wait to try it tbh!!!!

[@tiggerable]

@@MicroFourNerds I really hope to be able to test this weekend! Got to exchange the GH5 for a GH6 but from what I can gather it will be worth it on many fronts (going to miss the dual SD slots though!).

[@MicroFourNerds]

@@tiggerable amazing! Yes you won’t regret it - but just to set your expectations… Adobe haven’t updated their software yet to read the gh6 raw files. It might be a few weeks off yet. It’s so annoying!

[@frankinblackpool]

@@MicroFourNerds a few weeks? I sincerely hope so. Though I’m guessing within 6 months. There still isn’t support for the OM-1 RAW files and that came out in late January, I think.

[@tiggerable]

@@MicroFourNerds Thanks for letting me know! I've read up on it and will stick to the GH5 for now. Can't risk to swap to a GH6 now for professional use. We just have to be patient for now ;-)

[@ritwikdhara199]

That's amazing...👍👍.You are awesome

[@beppeveltri]

Come fai a metterà a fuoco in MF? È cosi difficile....

[@frankinblackpool]

How did you get on with noise of your GH5? Last October I had a go shooting the Milky Way from Anglesey and with NR turned off, it was awful with so many hot pixels many of the shots were ruined. I was hoping to stack them with dark frames but the results were poo. NR was great but the delay wasn’t conducive to a good Timelapse either.😥 This weekend I’m hoping to get the Milky Way with Mr Orion and some zodiacal light with my GH6 and I’m hoping the new sensor is considerably better at handling noise. I’ll also be keeping a pro Astro photographer company, simply because I don’t have a scooby what zodiacle light is.🤣

[@MicroFourNerds]

Hot pixels are a pain with longer exposures. I used Starry Landscape stacker with a dark frame to get rid of most of it. Another cool trick is to use “Dust and Scratches” in Photoshop to get rid of them 😊 you can apply it to the foreground, and keep the sky more crisp. hope you have fun shooting your astro! I can’t wait to try my gh6 soon for it

[@SeDi343]

I would like to try it with my EOS R and the EF 24mm f1.4 II :)

[@yoshitravelsjapan]

I'm so surprised with the g100 shot! Wow And ppl keep hating on that little beast! I sold it last week in order to upgrade to the S5 but already miss it because it's so compact and easy to carry 😢

[@MicroFourNerds]

I use that camera so much! The only annoyance for me is the crop in for video. It’s brilliant for photography though!

[@Sneaky-Sneaky]

For long exposure……generally speaking FF would be better because of lower noise at higher iso …..

[@rolloffilm1996]

I use G9 for astro and moon light photography. I use breaketing most of the time. For single photo work G9 is nice in 90% of photo, timelaps is sometimes noisy but usefull, video in HDR mode is very good to 6400, 8000 is not usable for me. I dont have FF camera, but i shot moon on Leica d-lux 5 with 1/1.7 sensor size, haha)))

[@costinio3983]

The s5 image contained visibly more stars but I don't think this has anything to do with sensor size. Greater amount of megapixels is probably more likely to be the reason for that.

[@flaviopresutti]

I think that the S5 in this kick ass... I use my 6DII and 6D for Astro Photography and full frame wins.

[@weisserth]

Nice. You got great results from all your gear! I got the Olympus 8mm 1.8 Pro for my E-M1 III and that combination easily keeps up with any full frame setup as there is no comparably wide, fast and sharp lens available for full frame. Plus Live-Composite, Starry AF really help in quickly getting the shot you want in camera.

[@evenhandedcommentor6102]

Found online: The NPF Rule "A much more complicated and accurate rule for sharp stars is: (35 x aperture + 30 x pixel pitch) ÷ focal length = shutter speed in seconds. Pixel pitch = the camera sensor’s physical width in millimeters ÷ number of pixels in width x 1000 to measure it in microns." So...30 seconds seems a bit much in most cases. I have a Sony A7Rii and a 14-24mm f/2.8 Sigma lens. The pixel pitch is 4.49. Doing the math, at 14mm, the max shutter speed is 16.6 seconds. At 24mm, the max shutter speed is 9.7 seconds. Sure, you can raise that by increasing the aperture, but then you need to increase the ISO when actually taking the picture. I also have an Olympus EM1 mk2. Pixel pitch is 3.32. Using my 8mm f/1.8 fisheye gives me 20.3 seconds. So, I would need to up the aperture to 2.8 if I wanted to expose for 30 seconds...but that means I need to raise the ISO. I prefer to keep that ISO lower...so that means limiting my shutter speed to get the sharpest stars and avoid those little star trails.

[@piotrzloza372]

Hi. What do you think of TTArtisan 7.5mm f2.0 lens for astrophotography compared to 7Artisans 7.5mm f2.8 ? I can't decide which one to choose...

[@MicroFourNerds]

They’ll both be quite similar! If you can find the 2.0 at a good price then go for that one so it lets a bit more light in 😁

[@piotrzloza372]

@@MicroFourNerds Thanks. They seem to have similar prices so I'll go with the 2.0.

[@RafaelReyesFredes]

Great video! I suggest you to do Astro photography in Atacama desert (Chile), my country have the cleanest sky for this images. Greetings!

[@MicroFourNerds]

I’d love that! I really do need to hunt some more clear skies 😁

[@TITAOSTEIN]

Wow! Wonderful! And the GH5 wins in my opinion!

[@ericmenu5408]

For astrophoto Lumix G9 + PanaLeica 12mm F1.4 is my setup of choice. So light and powerful package :) Lumix don't promote their "Starlight AF", "Night mode" and "LiveView boost" features for astrophoto enough I think

[@MicroFourNerds]

I know right! Their Night Mode is so good especially. I always assign it to a function button 😁

[@DwightParker]

I will probably take your course. It is reasonably priced, and I have to learn something as I currently know nothing.... How do you think a 7.5mm rectilinear lens would do compared to your 7.5mm fish-eye .... or would you just go with a 25mm? I mean, I guess you can try something different every night if you wanted to...

[@MicroFourNerds]

A rectilinear lens would probably be better to be honest 😁 depending on which techniques you use, you can really experiment with your lens choices.

[@jazzman1892]

Great video!

[@dslrdave]

awesome photos!!!

[@MicroFourNerds]

Thank youuuu! ❤️📸

[@LifeInTaiwan-Ita]

I liked the GH5 the most, tbh :) I never tried astrophotography, do you think the 16-35 f4 will be good? Or is it too “dark”?

[@MicroFourNerds]

I think you’d need either a very good spot, with no light pollution, or to shoot a stack of images and edit them together to get the best results with that lens 😁 or a star tracker, like the gh5 photo in this video - I stopped the lens down to 3.5 so it isn’t a world apart from your setup

[@LifeInTaiwan-Ita]

@@MicroFourNerds sorry, I forgot to tell you it's on the S5 😅 Thank you!

[@MicroFourNerds]

@@LifeInTaiwan-Ita oh that’ll be fine then! It’s a low light beast 😁

[@prose4ever]

To my surprise, the G100 was my favorite. For my astro images, I use my E-M5ii and Samyang 12mm f/2 or my 7.5mm f/3.5.

[@MicroFourNerds]

I know right?! It surprised me too! Your setup sounds awesome 😁📸

[@simran41997]

Your amazing ❤️

[@TheJcGlobal]

M1 markiii or X-T3

[@NatalieRosellaBoonzaier]

Lovely!

[@tomvanrijswijk4517]

Imagine the GH6 with the laowa 7.5 👀

[@MicroFourNerds]

I know right! I really wish for that lens!

[@alexeipg]

would love to have seen single image results rather than stacking, where it's much harder to compare

[@GoTravelPlanet]

Great, I have a G9 and just bought the SkyWatcher Star Adventurer 2.0 and starting with astrophotography since I love the stars and cannot afford a spaceship. New Sub here, I'm a Travel KZbinr and looking forward to your mini course. Cheers!!

[@dennyyohanes8677]

You should make another channel ; Full Frame Nerds

[@Biosynchro]

IMHO compositing a separate foreground exposure seems regressive. This is not the way.

[@iSpike]

Nice

[@william240]

Have you ever used a speedbooster?

[@MicroFourNerds]

I have one for my Canon FD lenses, but I don’t really have anything else to adapt that needs one! They’re a great way to get wider apertures on the system tho 😊

[@william240]

@@MicroFourNerds really cheap way to get very fast lenses. Its great with my gx85 and cheap second hand canon 28mm f1.8.

[@SoSaMin0524]

I loved the GH5 photos best…though the results from all cameras were impressive…images look like they were taken by NASA 😁

[@MicroFourNerds]

What a compliment! Thank you very much for watching 😁🙏

[@joshua-pn3ue]

micro 4 3rds and full......