ASUS ROG Flow Z13 review

[@TheVerge]

Set up elite gamer tablet command station encampment at Starbucks y/n

[@VirtousStoic]

Until the surface or this gaming surface look a like. Has a full android app store (not amazon) I have zero interest in them. But that's my view ofc I will never buy a convertible touch screen laptop without this. And Microsoft needs to get with program. Apple MacBook air has some ios apps (and doesn't have a touch xcreen) so it's coming soon. So Microsoft better catch up Or once apple makes a surface look a like with full ioss apps (and axes its ipad) I will leave Microsoft and not be loyal anymore

[@usmannaeem]

I'd like to see a Z13 Flow model with cheaper AMD graphics configuration, maxed out at twelve hundred but capable enough for video editing and quieter fans.

[@footballtalk4857]

@@VirtousStoic You got remember Apple owns both IOS and MacOs, Microsoft has to rely on Google to move the playstore over but Google wants to sell more of their chromeos platform that one reason why Google won't allow the playstore on windows.

[@aleale4010]

CHAGTXARET SOROSHI

[@I86282]

Totally going to get one. I'm the perfect demographic.

[@grimtastabod]

I'll always be sad I won't see more Dieter on The Verge. But Cameron totally killed it here! Very well done, and I can't wait to see more!

[@anonymous.54]

Wait, he left?!

[@blueciffer1653]

@@anonymous.54 yea lol

[@DhirenPersad]

I subscribed because of this review

[@rotinoma]

Dieter totally was in this video

[@grimtastabod]

@@rotinoma yeah, in old b-roll. He's moved on to Google.

[@sambitkoley2733]

Asus is doing a tremendous thing messing up the tablet market. This is not for every one , but whenever someone is crossing the 1600$ mark, they will have a look into this. In some years, this price will go down and become more viable all the users. I was very excited to see this in CES.

[@zt9233]

So in reality this isn’t much more than an m1 iPad. But it’s a full computer.

[@oo--7714]

@@zt9233 it's more powerful and useful than a m1, I have an m1.

[@zt9233]

@@oo--7714 sorry I meant the price isn't much more but it can do anything a full computer can.

[@zt9233]

@@oo--7714 I too fell for that trap

[@michaelellis6384]

@@zt9233 i like to play fortnight on my tablet 😅😊😮😮😮

[@VirtousStoic]

You are a good reviewer/presenter/talker. Welcome to the verge, hope you stay

[@VirtousStoic]

Ty for the heart, I have loved your channel since I was a teenager. Means alot

[@brokenhero6828]

@@VirtousStoic you’re famous bro! You got a heart! :) You’re a really nice guy

[@december1to31]

Can't wait to see more laptops/ tables/2 in 1s like this. Love that Asus is not scared to innovate.

[@clare2439]

agreed!

[@inziify]

This wasn't talked about a lot. This video was much needed because what ASUS has managed to do is revolutionary. They have made a fully performing gaming machine out of a 13-inch slab.

[@camommo1]

This is exactly the gaming machine I was waiting for…I spend almost half of the year traveling. And I love playing games with my friends and alone sometimes. This ultra portable and ultra powerful solution match my needs perfectly. Is it expansive? Probably, but it’s unique and it does what he promise to deliver, so if you travel a lot like me and like gaming, this is t,he best you can get out there in my humble opinion!

[@AdmiralBison]

I've been using mine for the past 3 days - i900H, 3050ti and if you love tablets and also want an ultraportable powerful gaming device you will love this. Just look at it as a slightly more expensive and thicker Surface Pro 8, but far more powerful.

[@jayinhd4296]

@@AdmiralBison if you actually price in the i9 Processor, GPU, the added Keyboard, GDDR5 Ram, and 1tb m.2... it's wayyyyyy cheaper than the Surface Pro 8. The 1tb version of the surface pro is $2140 on best buy as of right now. That's without the type cover, just a i7 processor and 16gb of ram. No GPU either. Lol. As far as tablets go... This by far is the most powerful cheapest. Simply because of the i9, 3050ti, and type cover coming with it.

[@blue4059]

Until you learn about the 3 hour battery life

[@AdmiralBison]

@@blue4059 I dont game with this on the go I.e. not near a wall socket. Frankly battery technology ‘is not there yet to meet the demands of more powerful devices.

[@camommo1]

@@blue4059 nope...portability doesn't mean playing triple A games while on the bus, but bringing your laptop with you while traveling, and be able to use it wherever you are (plugged of course). I can use it for browsing, streaming and mail on the go, as a tablet. If I want to play, always plugged! BTZ, today you can plug it even in the airplane in the long range flight...

[@braedonrogers5534]

I haven't seen this guy before. More with him plz

[@gaelnadaud]

I have a Surface Pro and I use it for 3D animation on Blender and Maya. This tablet would be perfect for me, since I travel often and need a powerul computer in a tablet form factor.

[@WilliamSteppan]

Which pro model do you have? I have the 2017 model and I do video productions, livestreams and online trainings for my company, and I'm often traveling to on-site visits. I prefer to travel light and have been considering the Surface Laptop Studio but if the Surface Pro 8 is capable enough for 3D and Blender then that could save some cost and precious space on my carry-on.

[@Johnny-Cage]

Buy it and write it off as a business expense

[@gaelnadaud]

@@WilliamSteppan I have the Surface Pro 7 , since I work in animation I use it for storyboards, modeling and animating most of the time. But when it comes to bigger 3D projects like procedural texturing, big animations and renders I use my desktop computer.

[@diasabdrakhmanov5301]

For what price did you find the rog flow z13? I also sometimes do 3D modeling in Maya to create prototypes of products. It is possible that it will be necessary to create 3D animation. But 2075 US dollars for i7 and rtx 3050 in Germany , I don't even know if I need such power, because I'm still a student. Please give me some advice !

[@ray-us1tq]

Cameron, really loved how you delivered those lines about your "work" :) thx for review!

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

i dont want it to be work, but want it paid like a work lol

[@sufykazi]

It has impressed everyone yet its the perfect device for no one

[@Adammyers1995]

There's probably one rich person out there buying.

[@sajjadsaddam2012]

Student/gamer ?

[@PotentChr0nic]

I'd buy it without the eGPU if it had stylus support. The integrated RTX gpu will work fine with nvidia broadcast studio and with stylus support it would be a good option for wfh/remote meetings.

[@Houchdj]

@@PotentChr0nic I have one it supports a Surface pen

[@xxxmasenxxx5564]

If you can pick this thing up on sale for close to 1000$ like I did it’s the best gaming laptop/tablet you can buy, it’s replacement my main rig with an rtx 2070 in it

[@AdmiralBison]

A lot of people still don't understand or get the 'Tablet' form factor : Surface Pro 8, 12.9 iPad Pro, Galaxy Tab S8+\Ultra etc... So naturally will not see the value or use case for something like this right away. However for tablet lovers that also want power to AAA game - I RECOMMEND this. I know because I've been using my Z Flow 13 - i900, 3050Ti for the past 3 days playing Fallout 4, Elden Ring, Star Craft II, Halo Infinite and PS3, Xbox360 and Switch emulation. The screen is good for 13" and you can get away running the latest AAA games at 720P to hit those 60 fps.

[@keenesaulcrescini8687]

Bought the X13 last year and I am drooling over the Z13. Wish that Asus has an upgrade promo or something. Great review BTW! Cheers!

[@xorrior4438]

This is a good review. This is an interesting review of one of those cool crossover products and the review is well-paced and compelling. Great job reviewing a non Apple, Samsung, Google, Sony, LG, Dell product with some genuine enthusiasm!👍

[@CJvzla]

I know mostly everyone thinks 1080p as minimum when talking gaming , but would it really be a sin to play on 720p ? I bet the smoothness would be worth it, specially since crazy resolutions don't make much sense at this screen size

[@robertmazurowski5974]

I wanted to get Surface Pro for work and mobility recently. Instead of a monitor I want to use VR Googles in the future, Unfortunately Surface Pro gpu hardly manages to run VR. This Asus tablet is perfect for a mobile VR work setup AND it can play games AND it costs less than surface pro with the same specs without a keyboard (sic!)

[@SpyridonKagkas]

So, as I'm not a gamer, but on the look for a decent and fast windows tablet, this Asus Flow might be for me!

[@rahilrafeeque]

As a user of suface device I could proudly say that form factor is so useful and practical.

[@RobinDrooger]

Good review. Finally someone mentioning the downsides of a 16:10 aspect ratio! I get that it's better for productivity, but I hate black bars when watching video.

[@grunchidetrap476]

That’s such a minor inconvenience…

[@XxXStoneFingerXxX]

A lot of KZbin creators are going by 18:9 or 20:9, so there’ll be black bars on 16:9 screens anyway. Really depends on your preferred source of video entertainment.

[@VicV91]

@Arte Floe OCD spotted. I got one, the display is really bright, sharp and good. I don't mind the bar, great sound too

[@donjames5761]

i have the z13 with the 3050. i love this machine it doesn't take up much room. it handles all my studies digital photography an gaming. wow classic runs great max out. i have it connected to 2 15.6 innoview portable monitors, dorm rooms are small so a machine that i can have 3 displays an can grab an go as a tablet to class. is an awesome edition to my life

[@EmerilHuang]

"I can do some work" Boots up Elden Ring

[@treepizzle]

A gaming tablet makes tons of sense. If they partnered with Microsoft and used the same doc hookup it would be a perfect home/work device that can game.

[@Vidalburgos]

Killed it man. Can’t wait for more screen time for Cameron!

[@JasonChamberlain]

I’ve noticed Cameron’s name on The Verge articles before, usually either him or Monica will write laptop reviews. Good to see him on the channel!

[@jhericurls]

This reviewer is a beast, throwing all convention out the window...masked up in his own living room and shoes on the couch.

[@betaprotocol]

You know there’s a film crew in there as well, right?

[@TheVerge]

Correct. We also have filmed this in a shared space in our office, too.

[@TheVerge]

But I agree, Cameron’s a beast ;)

[@jessicafaulkner4946]

@@betaprotocol That's true and you do a wonderful job as well. Takes a team as they say.

[@FriedrichPei]

nice job showing the Patches NPC when mentioning Elden Ring patches

[@TheVerge]

I’ve been waiting for this comment all morning :)

[@GohanBurner]

You need to do an update video because the 310 Bios that was released on 3/29 fixed all the performance issues. Elden Ring is smooth as hell and I'm getting about 70-80fps plugged in now.

[@emilioortiz5699]

Is this an update or newer model?

[@GohanBurner]

@@emilioortiz5699 This was for the 2022 version with the 3050ti. I have the Z13 ACRNM now with the RTX 4070. Thing destroys all games. Over 100FPS alone at 1440P.

[@General_Puffball]

Brings back memories of Vaio's Power Media Dock!

[@enriquepinero707]

The real comparison I want to see is gaming on this and the Steam Deck.

[@puturere]

You comparing windows switch and steamdeck lite

[@dar-es-salaam]

I felt like am watching an apple commercial but for the "ASUS ROG Flow Z13"... quite engaging!! :)

[@lazyreuvin]

If I was rich, I would so get this... but I'm not so... yeah... I hope they keep the concept alive and keep rolling with it till we see more affordable versions one day.

[@cyberchunk]

I want an RMT version of this. Or at least for Asus to fix USB-C PD notification issues.

[@tappersreviews4677]

Nicely nuanced video. Z13 is very cool tech, just not practical in many ways and probably not the best choice for many people (including me).

[@MrArielK]

With the amount of money they are asking you can make a desktop, even with inflated prices

[@smellybearc7411]

I see what you did there with patches.

[@lancehowelllagunay1943]

I wish Asus made a detachable Zenbook laptop. They already have something like that for their Vivobook series

[@Shadow_Men]

I like the review a lot, the tablet is pretty good too.

[@stevendenthead2158]

The Acronym collab model looks SO GOOD, TAKE MY MONEY CAPITALIST DADDY

Ah… I want a 15’’ or 16’’ version of this. Would love to have a numpad on that keyboard :3

[@presenceofeden2949]

When you connect the egpu to get better performance you should put and external display

[@_Gladiator_]

Does the egpu come with it or do you have to buy it separately

[@vickie_g]

Its competiton is the Surface pro devices... Not gaming laptops. And higher end surface pro costs just as much and doesn't offer performance anywhere close to this. And the XG mobile dock is a great feature - you can get incredible performance and a stupid number of ports while at home and also get acceptable performance on the go.

[@andyH_England]

You can get an eGPU for the SP8 as well, and for other laptops. i Think that I would wait for the SP9 and get that setup as MS has better QC and integrate software and hardware better. Plus it is not as oot-there as the ASUS, that will maybe give the wrong impression at the office.

[@drewstevens7153]

@@andyH_England I traded my SP7 for this Asus and couldn't be happier - I considered the SP8 but it's slower and more expensive than the Asus, and while the SP8 does support an eGPU since it (finally) has Thunderbolt the latency and bandwidth limitations of TB make a desktop 3080 eGPU slower than the mobile 3080 in the Asus add-on (not to mention the compactness of the Asus XG eGPU makes it portable).

[@vickie_g]

@@andyH_England Thunderbolt is limited to PCIe X4, so it bottlenecks any modern GPU. You can't use a 3080 eGPU on a Surface.

[@makedonii]

The smirk on his face says it all 😏

[@chasenthehype]

Cameron bringing those Dieter vibes! Really great review man.

[@erikehrling4715]

Note that Asus is still operating in Russia, depending on your values you might want to consider other brands. (HP, Dell, Sony...)

[@jt.8144]

was looking at the top of the line Microsoft Surface. Saw the z13 instead.

[@thomasschubert1932]

I game on my surface pro just fine. I have so many games in my steam library (don't we all) that relegating the less strenuous games to my surface works for my gaming workflow (for lack of a better word). The bigger titles I don't want to play on a tiny screen anyway. I want them on my 22in at LEAST or my console. Kinda like the way I treat movies. I don't mind watching an old jackie chan movie on my surface or a couple anime episodes but if I'm gonna watch The Batman, it's gonna be in the theatre, Turning Red? My front room HDR display. There's nothing wrong with buying one machine that can do everything, you do you, but if you have the means to buy a flow for elden ring then you have the means to buy a nice TV and a console and play it in style the way it's meant to be played. But to each their own.

[@AnthonyChopra]

I am thinking of the 13th Gen Intel version as my Microsoft surface 8 is lacking and has gpu glitching issues when using some apps but can't wait to buy it prob in mid may

[@wingspantt]

I'm laughing so hard at the intro where he talks about doing work and watching TV but just plays Elden Ring 24/7 instead

[@mikeraptorh6888]

So it’s better to buy a laptop with 3050ti + touchscreen + i9 It’s a good concept and i hope asus keep developing it but right now the biggest problem is its price

[@ronnyandernie]

If only they made one with a 7" screen and detachable controllers on the sides 🎮 😆

[@legendp2011]

I think you might be after the Steam Deck than, given the steam deck can run all the AAA games.....unlike a certain Nintendo console

[@GUY-on-Earth]

the x16 was released recently after the x13 released last year, i hope that means we’ll be seeing a z16 at CES2023

[@hellohogo]

If this were reasonably priced it would be great

[@m.firdhaus8042]

this rig will be real good for dev!

[@rlfernandes9538]

Production note: this is a good video person for this channel! However, to include Dieter in B-roll footage just takes us out of the moment and back to the golden age, lol

[@CameronFaulkner1989]

We shot the b-roll on the day he left, so I prefer to view it as an homage 😄

[@rlfernandes9538]

@@CameronFaulkner1989 Thanks for replying. I figured it was from some previous review! Great gesture, the guy is legendary... and "more Dieter" never hurts lol. BTW Cameron, I do think you are very well-suited for this channel, even when it's just VO work. I'd love for some other Verge presenters to level up to what you've shown here, especially regarding pacing.

[@CameronFaulkner1989]

@@rlfernandes9538 I really appreciate the feedback! We all have our own styles that we're working on, being relatively new to doing video, so everyone will blossom in different ways I'm sure. Thanks again

[@Coolguy-ki4ue]

This was an excellent review. Thanks!

[@BeardsBaconTech]

Can this computer run most games well enough even if they’re not perfect would you recommend a different computer for the same price or is this computer still worth getting?

[@megapunchboy]

Cameron's real OP!

[@pieplay]

Wonder how many frames you would be getting by replacing that XG Mobile with a razor chroma X and a real desktop GPU

[@erictayet]

Thinking of upgrading my Surface Pro 7 to this.

[@hakanakdag9491]

nice video. may I use it as a workstation? I work mobile and this is what I needed.

[@marcuslee3051]

For those who dare to spend $1900 to play indie games at 60fps. Asus has done it again.

[@DAFAWK]

I just got this and got to say I love this thing. The only complaint is the battery life being poor. I hardly get 45mins of use with gaming.

[@jhojanoful]

Solo 45 min? Y com programas pesados cuanto dura?

[@CelebrityStat526]

No one is going to mention homie putting his shoes on the couch?

[@junmtginsanity4040]

Love the review... I wonder if it is good for graphic designing and video editing ☺️

[@josephgunter6722]

i just got the i9. i have the surfacepro8 loved it, waited to see what specs theyd put int the 9. was dissapointed not enough power, processor too slow, no option for video card. so i decided to side w/ the asus. i dont really play much games, but i do solid modeling engineering sotware for my business. i love the tablets/including the surfacepro8, but i'm very very happy to get more power for less w/ the flow z. thx for a great review

[@mukeshangrish]

There is one big problem with this review. They never considered versatility (until the conclusion statement)

[@Gusbusbus]

I'm curious how Unreal Engine 5 performs on this tablet. And also for video editing

[@louiesgameroom]

new guy? nice. like him 👍🏻good video

[@PeterHamlin]

Great review, interesting device. I'm not a gamer but do a lot of multi-media stuff that uses a gpu, but not at the level of the most demanding games. So it's in a middle ground -- in between no discrete gpu like the Surface Pro 8, and a full-on gaming computer, which is overkill for me. I'd like to know how the inking/painting experience is on this. That's another feature I use a lot on my Windows devices. Anyway, thanks for an informative and nuanced review!

[@championsofodin9868]

Does the keyboard work if it is not plugged into the tablet? I’d like to leave space between the keyboard and screen if possible

[@K7TZ]

It just need a touchscreen and a pen to start drawing for me to be interested

[@Rndi9157]

For portability and work with Autocad, should I get this or Microsoft Surface Pro i7?

[@Reezy884]

Once I heard 1899 I checked out

[@peterkoh5632]

Why would you compare Z13 to the Steam Deck.

[@johnnyrodriguez276]

Can i get the ROG Z13 or X13 connected on Tablet high speed datas to game? So I won't use my At&t Netgear Hotspot data on my RoG Ally ?

[@pshearduk]

Great review 🙌🏼

[@JAF30]

This along with gaming laptops have always seemed to me to be niche products for niche needs. I could use a gaming tablet, but nothing that would be north of 300 bucks. I just can't see doing triple A gaming on that small of a display. Casually gaming, yes, but not triple A.

[@cracksi001]

thx for the good review .. using the z13 with i9 for 4 month now ....what a strange piece of technologie ... its an i9 with a 3500ti....in a tablet...its not a tablet .the cooling system cool..itsa computer...next gen....i love it my new amiga2023 hhh....xcom 2 is outstanding...other games too..hard to find the egpu..pete

[@jhojanoful]

La bateria cuanto te dura con programas pesados?

[@qhkqchk2920]

Great tablet laptop. I'm traveling across Canada now and will be heading to Asia and this thing can really work and game on. Battery life for work is good and battery life for games is good enough for an hour which is more than fine for quick matches

[@JusticeJanitor]

5:21 I saw what you did there.

[@pandaghostofficial]

Razer definitely should jump into this tablet hybrid laptop market

[@arijeanz]

the ipad vs flow 13 comparison was a very apples to oranges one. wildly different audiences and capabilities. otherwise great review-- even if you miss the point that the tablet is a great buy BECAUSE it is a tablet. people looking at this probably aren't interested in a similarly priced and specced laptop-- they're willing to pay a premium and face the tradeoffs that come with the tablet

[@marumisu9560]

I just wish it wasn't so expensive. I want something that's around $1000

[@byrondowling195]

Can you use a different dock if you just want to run like 2 or 3 monitors on it? I'm not familiar with Asus laptops so I wasn't sure where with surface everything runs through that surface port and you get pretty much nothing else. Thanks!

[@TheCryptoNaut]

16:10 is the correct aspect ration The reason TV's are mostly 16:9 was to cut costs 16:10 is far superior for a monitor

[@EmilMToft]

I'm confused. Is this a review or a commercial?! 😁🤣

[@WarneysWorld]

Biggest issue for me was the poor response from the screen. Deal breaker for me

[@UntrainableWizard]

So... possibly a stupid question. Anyone know how well this runs VR? I used to use a ROG laptop to run the original RIFT, but its been so long since I've touched the headset that I don't know what the state of it is, in terms of hardware required to run. With and without the eGPU, I'm curious if anyone knows. :)

[@Realplayman17]

They should not include a keyboard in the box or support it at all

[@pepperstreetyt]

U deserve more views than mine, greatjob with the content

[@anderbeau]

I’m waiting for the next surface pro with core ultra 🥳

[@aizensousuke6161]

1899?? damn its so pricey 😢

[@samlc7]

This thing is AMAZING. Unlike an expensive gaming laptop, they’ve somehow, through nothing short of a miracle, made the keyboard go bye-bye!

[@Fenrir_Wolf]

Why didn’t you test cyberpunk with dlss on the internal 3050ti but do on xg mobile?

[@MrKeepItTrill]

Who is this for, now that there are a bunch of good 14" gaming laptops?

[@icerink239]

Missed opportunity to slap some RDNA 2 Ryzen in those laptops

[@JJPurp]

That office needs to come way down… maybe 1400?

[@123ericn]

asus gaming tablet yes we got one

[@beaverjacob_214]

You lost me at $1899. There are literally better gaming laptops in a more reliable form factor minus a third the cost.

[@aliessa8515]

Kinda cool maybe next version will be a winner.