Atari 800 Incognito Installation

[@gyorka]

hey! i've made this ;) and as for web page - well, perhaps i'll bring it back before new year - hardly have a time for this - sorry ;)

[@MsMadLemon]

Hey! you're the creator of the incognito? If so great job! I said a big thanks to the creator at the end of the video, i'm really enjoying it :o)

[@gyorka]

@@MsMadLemon Yes, and there is a list of original beta testers on the back of it ;) Thanks - it's great when all my effort ends with another happy atari user ;)

[@bluetonic9538]

@@gyorka hi Candle, hope you are well. I'm one of the beta testers listed on the back of the board (mimo)

[@Zhixalom]

@@gyorka There is a lot of smaller websites out there which offer all kinds of awesome goodies for all kinds of retros. But then when "you" try to order, by far most of it seems to be out-of-stock. There might be an option to apply to a mailing list or even pre-order several months in advance, never knowing when or even if your order will ever arrive. I would assume that this discourages many people from pre-ordering, it certainly does me. The problem is quite obviously that many of these products are designed and made by private people as a hobby in their spare time. And it is completely understandable that most of them, just like you, hardly ever would be able to find the time for it. Personally I find the design of mods like these extremely interesting and fun. But the thought of having to mass produce them solely by my self... mmm, not so much. So even though it is frustrating, I still completely get why these things are out-of-stock most of the time. It makes me wish that more websites would start selling these goodies as kits instead, much like the first hobby-computers were in the '70s. Because some of them have actually begun to do just that. It would also be nice if these hobby-creators would make an effort to only use through-hole components. Because that would make it easier and more appealing for the average Joe to make attempts at assembling these kits by themselves. Or they could make an option of either SMD/SMC or more bulky THT versions. We also have something today which we didn't have back in the '70s (yeah, I might not be an old fart yet - but I'm getting there) - we have KZbinrs like Maddi who could make how-to-videos on assembling these things. This might even heighten peoples interest in electronics, just like it did back then. I certainly find myself not only building my own stuff now, but also attempting to repair even my modern electronics, and more often than not actually also succeeding, instead of just tossing it in the bin and buying a replacement... like has sadly become the norm today.

[@gyorka]

@@bluetonic9538 Hi Mimo! I'm fine, than you ;)

[@IanSlothieRolfe]

The reason the 800 is "overengineered" is because in the USA in the mid to late 70s/early 80s the FCC regulations on interference meant anything that generated noise over about 100kHz had to be heavily sheilded. This made them comparitively expensive in Europe, where the regulations were not so strict. That is why the Commodore PET with its steel case was the only US computer to make much traction in Europe in this period, British and other European companies were able to make things with much less shelding (e.g. the Acorn Atom, UK101, Nascom 2, and of course the ZX80/81).

[@andrewclegg9501]

and not long after the 800 was released, the rules changed. C64 could get away with much poorer shielded, and so was much cheaper.

[@WilliamHostman]

Wire Wrapping is a form of prototyping using a perf board... you run wires instead of traces, and tightly wrap wire around the pins rather than soldering. Once the prototype works, one can go through and solder the wraps in place, or unwrap and solder the wire to the pin on the back of the perf board. Never done it myself, but have seen others to it.

[@MsMadLemon]

Thanks for the info, I knew what it was as i've seen it done, but I just had no idea it was called 'Wire Wrapping'. It looks crazy yet pretty cool at the same time.

[@andrewclegg9501]

Really enjoyed that video. Not a plug and play installation, but back in 1979 Jay Miner would never have thought someone will replace the ROM card with RAM, flash, and more. Looking forward to next part.

[@gregferguson7737]

I have the same Weller. Great unit. And my totally black kitty also seems eager to get involved when I work on things... Thanks for the video. I especially appreciate seeing when it does NOT go to plan right away - this helps me stay confident enough to try. Kudos.

[@studiokadaver]

My mother’s new kitten amused me when I was visiting last it actually runs to you when you use the ice thing on the refrigerator. It’s mesmerized by it.

[@Mosfet510]

I have an 800, amazing memories with it. This mod looks like it would be fun to try, some parts are tedious but that's part of the deal. Have fun!

[@Shawnsteroz]

I remember the stress of doing the VBXE video upgrade on my 800XL a few years back. The Video chip wouldn't come out easily, I was worried I might have fried it, but luckily I got sucker going, that was nearly as complex as the InCognito. Also your soldering skills look pretty good, I need to keep practicing regularly, despite being a hobbyist for 30yrs

[@endlesswanderer1753]

"There, it's fancy now. I don't know why I needed that haha." Cause you have pride in your work! Why even bother doing something if you aren't gonna make it look nice. Great job, Ms. Mad!

[@grahams_number]

The 800 is such a gorgeous looking machine, one of my Holy Grails ...I would like to install this mod ...just a bit nervous about doing it to mine

[@ShadowTronBlog]

The "over engineering" of the 800 was actually a design to to meet the FCC's RF Interference requirements at the time it was designed. The FCC relaxed these rules allowing for much simpler RF interference designs such as the use of sheet metal RF shields.

[@studiokadaver]

I don’t blame you heat shrink is fun to play with.

[@JeffSmith03]

I love when you say like, "I have no idea what wire wrapping is" XD I'll give my two bits, that when I learned wire wrapping in the late 70's from my brother, I later learned that for something like building an F-16 fighter jet it was crucial since if you simply soldered wires on boards then it would virbrate apart while flying ant that would be bad!

[@أمجدؤالقلم]

I am a fan of your beautiful work⚘

[@timmooney7528]

In my early teens I picked up a lightly used 400 and upgraded the membrane keyboard and moved up to 64k (48k+16K bank selectable) Back then parts were sold out of the backs of magazines. Along with the tape drive, that pretty much wiped out my funds for awhile, so most of what I did it was key in programs from the back of magazines. Much later I found cartridges on clearance sales, but by then I bought a used C64 w/ floppy and dot matrix printer. I liked both machines, however software for the C64 was easier to find due through other kids in school.

[@JeffSmith03]

8:40 I learned it helps if you are just tossing out a resistor it is easier to first cut it out from the top, then of course if the resistor is bent where they soldered it, will come out the bottom very easily since you don't have to straighten them first.

[@sheep1ewe]

Awsome! And a happy Santa Lucia day to You all folks!!

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

When people make their own circuit boards using blank breadboards with no built-in circuit pathways, they use small thin wires to make the connections. That process is called "wire wrapping" which is where that name on the wire spool came from.

[@rutabagasteu]

Wire wrapping wire is for wrapping around terminal posts on a prototyping board.

[@brostenen]

Or old analog telephone terminals. It looks good, when you have a 1000 phone line installation.

[@brostenen]

Like this video here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKXbZ4Oams1ghdU I love the sight of this stuff. So neat. So organised. A beautifull sight.

[@NiHaoMike64]

Or around component leads, good for modding.

[@MsMadLemon]

I just realised what its actually for, I just thought it was modding wire with an unusual name.

[@brianwild4640]

OMG spartados that brings back memories lol Atari 800 my first computer

[@pauldiaz4273]

Same here brian, isn’t that lovely?!

[@MatthewMcGravey]

Just got an untested 800 for 20 dollars, fuzzy rf signal ..ordered a composite cable . Hope I can get it running again.

[@lorddoomicus]

Wire wrapping was a method of prototyping boards from days long past. You used a special tool to 'wrap" the wire around the connections. It was used instead of making printed boards. I don't know how much it's used anymore. But I'm sure some hobbyists still use it.

[@studiokadaver]

Holy crap ! There’s so many resistors!!

[@MsMadLemon]

Nah they were being stingy with resistors, there needs to be more ;o)

[@electronscape]

current sink from peripheral to the IC's it was a thing back then, also some systems needed all the pins to have a pullup/pulldown .. besides, who doesnt like resistors ;)

[@waltciii3]

I have seen some installations where the wiring looks like a rats nest. This is one of the few with VERY good cable management. I will probably watch this and the Flashjazzcat installs a few more times before I jump into my own install. Maybe run the wires long to test the system, then once almost assembled, cut and remake the Dupont connector with well routed and shorter wires. I just need to find a way to remake the unused 2-3 switch into a momentary ATR switch.

[@frankowalker4662]

That looked like a pain in the bum to install. :) I had to do some wire wraping in the mid 80's on a repair job, it was quite theraputic.

[@MsMadLemon]

Haha the wire wrapping wire didnt occur to me that it was for the wire wrapping electronics. I just thought it was just modding wire lost in translation lol

[@frankowalker4662]

@@MsMadLemon Ha Ha, Brilliant. Easily done these days.

[@manuelpriethernan]

¡ Gran video !

[@Technoid_Mutant]

You need to do the PHI2 mod as well, This is a wire and a trace-cut on the left cartridge port, else some supercarts, like Side2, won't work on this machine. Not a big deal since you have a side2 internally, on incognito, but if you want to use a Side2 as a BasicXE cart or something, it won't work, neither will sdx be able to see the cf slot on an axlon upgraded 800. Phi2 on the cart port is missing on only this Atari computer.

[@brostenen]

Have you never seen wrapping wire being installed? It is a fascinating technology. Compare it to old english tube amps, that components are not on PCB's.

[@MsMadLemon]

After looking it up, yes I have seen it! I never connected it with 'wire wrapping wire' though, I just thought it was modding wire and the name lost in translation. Learned something new :o)

[@brostenen]

@@MsMadLemon It is a fun thing to watch. And I love being near those wrappings.

[@cabi599]

You are my Hero! What is the music you posted with this video?

[@00Skyfox]

Interesting...what kind of chip puller is that with the screw adjustment on it? I've never seen that kind.

[@electronicsmokeUK]

You could cut the resistors off the top of the PCB, then all you have is short wires left, making it so much easier!

[@MsMadLemon]

The thought did cross my mind, but since it's a vintage computer, I didn't want to take any shortcuts, I just wanted to do it properly.

[@jrherita]

You have much nicer fingernails than flashjazzcat!

[@cathrynm]

Me too, I have Incognito, I think it's the 'best possible Atari 8bit.'

[@ShadowTronBlog]

If you're curious what wire wrap wire is used for check out this video where I prototype a ROM card for an Altair 8800. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3fVkmSsr5uao68

[@sigmiami]

great video thx for sharing

[@studiokadaver]

The DCHDMI kit uses flex PCB & it scares me.

[@OrbbKlesk]

What was that demo music in the beginning of video!!

[@MsMadLemon]

Not sure which part you mean but all the music is listed and credited at the end of each video. Check at time 37:37

[@OrbbKlesk]

@@MsMadLemon Oh thanks! I was looking at the video description. Like the video just started out with such good music I paused to go check. It's invitro erneta!

[@end9627]

You are beautiful! I have respect to you and your passion. 👍😍 Thanks for it.

[@electronscape]

FIRST! well.. maybe not, but liking this video ALOT :) what is the next step? even though it is optional? lol

[@MsMadLemon]

Well, you're the first to say first at least ;o)

[@brycelynch2138]

Kitteh! :D

[@gazzaka]

Great vid ! Nice to see a woman doing these things ...wtg

[@archieil]

Don't you have problems with electrostatic? woolish looking garment, a cat... it is like a method to kill c-64 doing the same thing... Atari has like twice the amount of needed elements to prevent problems due to electrostatic accidents but still I had problems to watch calmly the whole thing and oh, it's working sounded completely differently because of it.

[@RMoocher]

Gotta spare 800 or 800XL, Maddi? lol

[@japanesemickeymouse6694]

she made my switch go to to up position lol

[@jpl9148]

I just found you thanks to the KZbin algorithm OMG! How come I never heard about you? Where are you been all my life? Are you single? If yes would you marry me? Greetings from Canada