AtGames Legends Pinball Stock Screen vs 1440P 165Hz Screen

Since I couldn't find a side-by-side comparison of the stock 1080p @60Hz screen and 1440p @165Hz screen, I decided to make this test video. I'm not a pro, so don't judge my gameplay. haha
Both the Mandalorian and Back To The Future tables are on Pinball FX with max settings and v-sync off. the 1440p screen is still OTG with audio set to the ALP HDMI and controls as-is.

[@morleygill7207]

This is awesome! You can really notice the change in flipper lag from OEM to LG monitors! The delay has pretty much disappeared, at least from what I can see in the video. How does the flipper response compare to the built-in games and monitor? Could you please update us with the details on your swap over and how you have things configured? Thanks!

[@tshock22]

What solenoid solution did you end up using? You can really sense the lag on the original screen with the solenoid setup. You hear that solenoid pop and then the flipper doesn't actually move until a moment later. The new screen totally fixed that.

[@josephromano6168]

Cleveland Software's solenoid kit here! The two solenoids add more feedback and more of a mechanical sound compared to just the two exciters. And that's true, I never thought about listening to the solenoid and calculating the screen lag from that! Maybe later this month I'll get around to editing the footage for a side-by-side comparison.. especially now that I have it physically installed in the cabinet! www.ebay.com/itm/154554920329?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=Mp5xqAJDR0S&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=DP6KsDTsSWi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[@RobertDaGotti]

Thank you for the video! What graphics card are you using?

[@josephromano6168]

I'm using a Asus TUF RTX 3060 single fan card in order to fit my SFF Dell PC

[@RobertDaGotti]

@@josephromano6168 Thank you so much! Everything looks great!

[@bc2725]

Great Post! Did you have to remove the monitor casing? Or did you just drop it in as is? Thank you for sharing.

[@josephromano6168]

You have to pop off the bottom front trim. The rest of the housing can go in as-is

[@bc2725]

@@josephromano6168 Pop on or off the front trim? Thank you.

[@josephromano6168]

@@bc2725 Pop off, sorry I'm not sure why I typed the opposite.

[@drjohnburroughs]

how do you hook it up? hdmi adapter? links?

[@morleygill7207]

Any updates after the monitor install? I'm looking at doing the same mod so I'm anxious to see how it all works out. Thx.

[@josephromano6168]

Hey there! I'm 90% done, but had to put the upgrade on pause since flying out for my honeymoon. I'll post an update video later next week. I was not able to simply set it on the old rails like others have supposedly done. And I did not want to strip it out of the housing just in case I needed to get it replaced (or eventually upgrade in a few years). I ended up taking out the original monitor and rails, and added a 5/8x4x15" piece of wood on top of the two inside wooden crossbraces. I added some 1/4x1" high density foam ontop of the new wood, and set the new screen ontop of the foam. I cut the corner sections of the lower monitor rail so that it can screw into the cab and hold the top "blackout" screen trim. The angle of the pieces were set at 11.5° to match the stock rail. You'll want to add 1/4-3/8" thick foam on the bottom of the blackout trim to close the gap between it and the monitor. You want foam there since the trim needs to slide and pivot in (which could otherwise scratch the screen). It looks great so far, and I'll explain it all with a list of materials next week.

[@morleygill7207]

@@josephromano6168 Thanks for the update. Much appreciated. Hope to see the video when you get it done!

[@josephromano6168]

@@morleygill7207 Video is posted!

[@vonburemann9942]

You should do a video on how you installed the new monitor

[@josephromano6168]

I just recorded a video.. just need to do some basic snipping and I'll post it! The monitor is currently on sale for $230 at Costco

[@BusyAir]

Are you going through an LVDS to HDMI adapter, or do you just connect the monitor directly to the PC?

[@josephromano6168]

Directly to the PC in order to get the 1440p 165Hz. Going through an adapter would result in 1080p @ 60Hz

[@BusyAir]

@@josephromano6168 Ahh, thanks for clarifying. In your description you said "the 1440 is still OTG". I'm going down the same rabbit hole ATM and it's looking like I'll be gutting the ALP.

[@josephromano6168]

@@BusyAir No, I kept the HDMI connected to the playfield input on the ALP in order to send audio to the ALP. If not, I would need to buy an audio card and amps for full SSF. That way I save a few hundred by keeping OTG audio and controls. 🙂

[@josephromano6168]

@@BusyAir I just have to remember to press the OTG button on the ALP, then the "up" arrow, and the "start" button to enable OTG. It would've been nice to just save the OTG settings so you could just press the OTG button without the menu BS each time

[@BusyAir]

@@josephromano6168 Oh, I see. So just a mirrored output of the PC. Once you place the LG in the cab, you'll sacrifice the wonderful library of games on the ALP?

[@svenop]

Can you share your sceen settings? I just did the upgrade

[@josephromano6168]

Do you mean the in game graphics settings?

[@svenop]

@@josephromano6168 on the monitor, brightness/contrast etc. There's also presets like vivid, gamer 1, gamer 2 etc. Your colors just look better than what I am seeing

[@FilthyGator23]

After u swapped the monitor

[@reverseknight4125]

what brand is the 1440 monitor?

[@josephromano6168]

LG Ultragear with G-sync www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.costco.com/lg-ultragear-32%2522-class-qhd-gaming-monitor.product.100793191.html&ved=2ahUKEwj-n4LhuaX4AhXZW80KHeacDXwQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3YetOmKgh5D1atrmh2eDJS

[@RickGrundy]

The new screen took away the flipper lag?!?!

[@josephromano6168]

It seems like it more has to do with the video lag, and that the controls over OTG had a lower latency over the stock screen. Going with the higher refresh rate monitor made the lag a lot less noticeable and it plays more fluid.

[@RickGrundy]

@@josephromano6168 Awesome, thanks. Are you going to mod the cabinet and replace the ALP screen with that?

[@josephromano6168]

@@RickGrundy Yeah I plan to this week. I'll post a video of the mod!

[@RickGrundy]

@@josephromano6168 AWESOME! Looking forward to watching. You rock!

[@josephromano6168]

@@RickGrundy Video is posted!

[@FilthyGator23]

How did u get the buttons to work?

[@josephromano6168]

I kept the USB and HDMI cables connected to my PC. Once the ALP OTG light at the top of the playfield near the USB powers on I press the OTG button, up arrow (once), and the left button on the coin door. It switches the video feed from the PC, and sends the button and audio info to the PC.

[@FilthyGator23]

U still rolling like this? I just did the swap...it is amazing though, the videos don't do it justice

[@josephromano6168]

@@FilthyGator23 Yeah I still do. I did flip the wood ALP braces around and dremelled the top playfield trim in order to get it all to fit snugly.

[@josephromano6168]

@@FilthyGator23 I'm glad you like the results from the swap! I'm patiently waiting for Pinball FX to fix their graphics sync so I can get the full 144hz

[@wryker]

If you set up the controller in Steam you dont' get any flipper lag.

[@josephromano6168]

Not sure if the same process works for Epic Games (Pinball FX). Flipper lag is next to nothing with the new monitor, so it must have something to do with the ALP board/OTG

[@wryker]

@@josephromano6168 I'm not migrating to FX. Happy w/all the FX3 tables and >1500 VPX tables. I know for FX3, using Steam controller settings for the ALP via OTG there's no lag.

[@josephromano6168]

@@wryker I'll have to give it a shot with EPIC/FX. I only owned 3 tables on FX3 so paying $2-3 per table for FX wasn't a big deal for me. I do notice some physics improvements, and the RTX lighting looks nice. They do need to work on FX though

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@josephromano6168 Don't buy their tickets and support their nonsense on epic. Zen is also keeping other products from getting Stern and Bally tables etc... exclusivity is bs.

[@josephromano6168]

@@EQOAnostalgia I believe Stern and Bally have exclusive rights with someone else. I just use VPX for things I can't get from FX. Baller Installer FTW!