Atheist vs Christian: The argument from complexity

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[@swapnilnarendra]

"Hi, my name is Vimoh, and I watch religious people run in circles with their logic. And yes, sometimes, they drag me along too. How do I do this? I dont know. But I do this, because somebody gotta f***ing do this."

[@mangakhoon4517go]

Ur pfp is cool

[@swapnilnarendra]

@@mangakhoon4517go thank you it's from a show I wrote back in the days

[@mangakhoon4517go]

@@swapnilnarendra na you didn't write roll no. 21 bruh

[@SupaHotFire776]

​@@mangakhoon4517go I think he did bruh💀

[@mangakhoon4517go]

@@SupaHotFire776 why 💀

[@gurnoorsingh2214]

So much mental gymnastics in this ep. Theism is too eager to reach conclusions, they want to have absolute certainity about everything.

[@South_Asian.Fascist-98]

True...

[@avinash_1341]

Follow the flatearthers for once. They are exactly the same.

[@South_Asian.Fascist-98]

Hinduism said Hanuman Eat Sun, Why sun is there? Muhammad broke moon in two parts, why still single moon?

[@pushkardo]

To know the answers to these questions, you gotta lower your iq than Zero, in the negative zone. Best wishes

[@inordinateseptet885]

Maybe both are miracles?

[@inordinateseptet885]

@@Haraex what do you mean by real here?

[@inordinateseptet885]

@@Haraex If by miracle you mean something that occurs daily or which that can be explained through naturalistic point of view then duhh, by the definition of miracle itself it's not miracle

[@inordinateseptet885]

@@Haraex I mean how can i prove you the existence of miracles through science if by definition it cannot be proven through science?

[@Sirius_077]

Hats off Vimoh's patience. 🙌

[@prasadpappu23]

We must appreciate Vimoh for having great patience to argue against stupid arguments😂 It's impossible for me after a point.

[@rohittekchandani5720]

Damn, this was hard to watch. Every time the dude said yes to Vimoh's argument and kept on giving the same argument, ignoring Vimoh's Point.

[@BenNeedsATheme4aDream]

I see these vimoh debates as therapy for the theists. Because they begin to do what they never have done before: Question their beliefs and assumptions. Love the respect that you show them, win them with logic and empathy :)

[@Philosopher-ey6qg]

Dear Vimoh I am simply stunned by your clarity of thoughts. Thank you so much

[@jerryjacob4843]

This guy is a youngster. If this was an elder, there would be a shouting match.

[@JishnuJayaram]

@@jerryjacob4843 No, Vimoh is better than that.

[@ramanprajapati675]

What harm is there to admit I don't know? It doesn't make you fool, it makes you trustable.

[@theawesomegd]

Bible before said earth is flat and now they changed it global.. so...?? God changed earth recently??

[@arunabraham9382]

Where in Bible says earth is flat? Do you have. Reference?

[@Nick-bx3uz]

Please quote where in bible it says earth is flat?

[@Just9n__]

It's a Quranic verse not bible

[@ayushagency3075]

Don't say anything....if u can't support it. U have heard it from someone that Bible verse was changed... when we came to know that the earth is not flat... Bible is the word of God, many have tried... against it n have become believer

[@prashant-bm4fp]

​@@arunabraham9382when satan make u see everything on earth from top of the highest mountain peak. U can only make such claim if u are on a flat surface. From no place u can see on earth everything at once if it is a sphere.

[@aayushbabu5818]

I can see visible frustration, on Vimoh. Sunil is very eager to make his point valid by trying to deny what Vimoh says calmly. 😂😂😂 I'm laughing because Vimoh has the courage to debate and I am not. Respect sir.

[@reyeseuropeos9153]

8:25 its not an assumption that the laws of physics cant be broken. Its a fact, a truth based on reality with no substantiate evidence that the laws could be broken. Its actually your assumption that the laws were actually broken without any evidence but just because it was written in a book which your family had a belief upon and you were indoctrinated to believe true since your childhood

[@Badbayafternoon.]

I think it is making him clearing his concept….

[@avq512h]

Bro, is just hardwired with his seven sacraments. The indoctrination is deep and it takes courage to come out of the belief system. A person like this would be destroyed lingering in the unknown. 😂

[@KammleshKammble]

good debate vimoh keep it up.

[@himanshukhattar8693]

I love your eloquence and coherence

[@sangitaekka]

Jacob looks young, probably late teens or early 20s. I am just glad that counterarguments are reaching this demography. And... your patience is my 2024 wishlist.

[@joysonekka7927]

Hey Your Surname is also Ekka. ??😅😂

[@sangitaekka]

@@joysonekka7927 Yeah. ✌🏽

[@Naruto_uzumaki-b]

Undertaker was also died so many time.. 😅

[@matrixsmarther2325]

Love your videos. But please ask callers to state what they think upfront. Else they just waste your time, beating round the bush

[@vimoh]

It's not that easy for everyone. Some people take time to get to their point. If interrupted, they lose their chain of thought and we don't get to actually understand them fully.

[@South_Asian.Fascist-98]

What a probability that can exist... is we can be a computer simulation That could be a probability but doesn't mean a probability defines god

[@car-e-taker5847]

I love your videos, but many callers are struggling to convey their points because of poor speaking skills or we can say not good in English.. I clearly understood what you want to say but not the callers point of view you may ask the caller if he is comfortable with Hindi.

[@vimoh]

I do tell people that. Callers choose their language.

[@prakashrnair]

Appreciate Vimoh to debate with so civility. I sympathize with Jacob. It's difficult for someone with deeprooted religious beliefs to enter into such debates. He tried but it's impossible to counter logical arguments. I don't understand why religious folks are hell bent on proving scientifically that their beliefs are real. Religious folks should just accept that it is a belief which they follow unquestionably

[@harshpowar1816]

People come here with arguments and leave with existential crisis.

[@puneethprabhu8137]

I cant believe that I did not subscribe to this channel

[@shivkumarmohite4672]

If God and religions vanished from this world, especially from India, it would be a much better place. Your endeavours in that direction is encouraging.

[@karthik8094]

Vimoh, love the content. I wish you didn't grammar correct people. In videos or in the comment section. Seems to go against your views on privilege.

[@vimoh]

The one in the beginning? I was making a joke and realised it sucked. Wasn't grammar checking.

[@dnd-yd2uu]

Avg radicalised atheist contradicting everything that they claim they are, so called "respectful"😂😂 all while dehumanising and insulting people

[@apna_niser]

Every region people say that their book is reliable and others are non- reliable.what a parody 😅

[@mrsunilKumar-sk]

Inferiority Complex 💯🤣

[@Rationalpoint-t5o]

God is not coming because he is now creating the universe proof is that the universe is expanding he (male) is so busy in that so much busy so please dont disturb him he is so busy in expansion of this universe 😅😂.

[@asaikumar2002]

6:50. Why do you agree with this? Answer: because I am a brainwashed Christian.

[@karansarode240]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@tam_chris20]

When is the next live stream

[@Impriyadarshan]

I was laughing a lot 14:30 sunil

[@k_v9]

just because something exists doesn't mean there has to be a creator, if so then by that same logic "If GOD exists then there must be some entity who created GOD also, then that entity will be the GOD and this goes on.

[@civfiveaddict8527]

Argument by the young man was complex but not intelligent

[@shahzadzaman2957]

Uff Blesson. I remember watching these live sessions. He needs therapy.

[@car-e-taker5847]

Next live?

[@kevivsinha5128]

The thing with causation argument is that it applies to god as well. That is to say what caused it? Secondly, i think our very limited knowledge of the universe can not be used to generalise it. We still dont know anything about dark matter and energy (besides that it must be there). And so, things might be popping out of nothing and we don't know yet. So we should reserve our grand claims about the universe. Because we don't know much of it yet.

[@Atheism712]

Vimoh keep his point very clearly

[@bizudamarasengan]

The Great C word... Con artist

[@himanshuagrawal4698]

Causation applies to god himself, believers say " universe has to be created and it can't just be an accident or it can't just be there", then the same thing applies to their god. Where does he come from? Who created him? Btw I'm also a believer but I think of it as a probability.

[@reyeseuropeos9153]

21:06 "bill gates said our dna is complex" well bill gates is also an atheist so your argument concluding your god from something he said is nothing but a piece of comedy

[@mvkfeb6]

The debater is pretty young. Vimoh can better react to a more matured apologists.

[@anshuparmar7635]

You also like raj comics? Which is your favourite character?

[@yecto1332]

The right guy needs some intelligence in himself

[@Earth_Being]

I see myself when I see a desperately trying to prove god re|igas person because once I used to do the same... now it looks so petty

[@W.Wchadxcat7]

Everything is useless unless you follow the laws of humanity.

[@77sogeorge]

Evidence: Quote it from the Bible It’s like saying that Superman is real because DC comics says so

[@udhayveersingh1855]

Theists are much more deceptive than atheists due to their ability to do mental gymnastics 😂.

[@DOT777GAMING]

Your volume is very low it not even audible, i have to shut offf fans tp hear you

[@maybe_nipun]

This was hard to watch.😂

[@shahzadzaman2957]

This kid doesn't know history of how these scriptures came into being and assumes that they are directly coming from the said prophets.

[@SK21439]

Vimoh you are smart and logical and I really like that. But I don’t know why you always have so ill informed in your debates. May be because you can’t afford to have a well read and logical person to debate with.

[@vimoh]

Feel free to come to the live stream on Saturday at 8 pm and we can talk.

[@Philosopher-ey6qg]

Dear brother Jacob read Dr. Bart Ehrman

[@Praticksha01]

17:47

[@prasadpappu23]

😂

[@zazaid3462]

Uhh....ummm......ahhhhh

[@jeanette_suzanne]

Isnt faith/belief itself not based on truth?😅

[@sandrasoni7967]

NO

[@GopalGL-lt5zd]

😊😊😊

[@mannugupta1374]

Hindi me bhi baat kr lo sir jiii ⚡⚡🚩🚩✔️

[@antuchowdhury8192]

are they blind?

[@pinkpasa2634]

👌

[@rajtheo]

Eventually arguing with these theists is just a waste of time because it gets into a endless loop. Ask them who created a God and they would say he was always there. Their delusional mind is already made up. Not willing to question or have a doubt. simply illogical.

[@HolyRamanRajya]

it was...aliens

[@berlinendtbdthbrdo]

Hindi me baat kar leta christian bhai

[@dnd-yd2uu]

I just don't get it, all these atheist who thinks they are so "cool", "respectfull" are mostly the worst of the lot, you'll literally dehumanise people and bully them, its all fine if you question religions, but dehumanising them, dehumanising their family clearly condradicts all the so called"intellectualness" that you claim to be having.

[@vimoh]

Who dehumanised whom where?

[@suga667]

👍

[@debanjandas2647]

uhhh uhhhh, am uhh

[@Philosopher-ey6qg]

Exactly same arguments were given by Charlatan Joker Naik about Islam

[@NainukKokborokvideo]

Aapko hindi video bana na chahiye

[@reaganalmeidamusic]

Sunil is dumb, he isn't getting vimohs point.

[@ae.ron-men_ezes]

Your video shook his belief. But dnt know how to put forth an argument.

[@r4hulrosh4n]

bhai ye kitna gadha hai ye calculate karna mere bus ki nahi

[@rdrd9250]

Vai thoda aur study karo ..obserb karo..bahar niklo ..rational hoke socho..apni thinking capacity badao..phir debate Karo yaar

[@guripawar1897]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 So funny 🤣😄

[@Kirpalsingh-bl6gy]

Sar Hindi mein baat kara karo

[@himanshukhattar8693]

😂

[@arunabraham9382]

Vimoh your argument of complexity is utterly wrong. You misspeaking words here. Your meaning of complexity is just some randomness without any proper structure. Complexity also means here well archtectured complexity. Learn about biomimicry. Its about creating structures or machines inspired from nature. So if something is just pure random we never need to mimic anything from nature The argument here is nature's well organised complexity is worth understanding that something from pure randomness cannot exist to a well designed things to exists as natural. That is why intelligent creation arguments are more appropriate than any other assumptions

[@dineshhebbar7523]

This complexity is due to evolution and not due to some intelligent creator

[@arunabraham9382]

@@dineshhebbar7523 When mathemattically and scientific law of thermodynamics its not possible. Only something with higher form of energy and intelligent order can create this level of complexity. The irony many scientist could believe panspermia. Mission to Mars movie is an example but they cannot believe God that is just plain foolishness. Evolution especially Carbon dating is proved wrong in many scenarios you can ccheck that out. There were many instances where a few decade old organisms dated to millions of years old. Ill quote some reserach "This is because calibrated radiocarbon dates have highly irregular uncertainties associated with them, and uncertainties of this type are not in line with the assumptions of many standard statistical methods, including time-series analysis"

[@arunabraham9382]

​​@@dineshhebbar7523 in no phyiscal sense evolution of one simple being to complex being. Remember evolution is still theory based on some discoveries but there are and were so many scientists of great expertise counter argue with evidences. It is only accepted based on hype. You can stand in a position that you just accept what you been taught

[@dineshhebbar7523]

@@arunabraham9382 science never works that. We don't have to believe anything. We observe and give the conclusion based on evidence. In science its not a matter of ego. And evaluation is not theory. It is based on evidence. Few whatsapp university scientists may disagree. But thats not how it works.

[@arunabraham9382]

@@dineshhebbar7523 "Theory of Evolution" still holds that name. Btw your obserable evidences. Im not telling about which is experimenty unprovan things in science like mechanics and all. There are things which are only good in paper thats why its still a theory. No natural law could help to achieve random event to become aligned to a causation thus becoming something we called a well constructed system. A child could observe and prove. Did you observe the evolution by yourself? Research for flaws in radio isotope dating which produced some few years of oraginsm remains to millions of years. Piltdown man and some other archeological "evidences" proved to be forgeries. Look for yourself. Do you know how complex our human body is? Even a sperm cell tail is spiral and have a rotary mechanism as you see in physics. Why? because that is the only shape which is efficient enough to move through our viscous body fluids. This level of detail cannot be expained through the theories but with careful experiments. Yet its origin is evidently intelligent. There are many criterias to explain an observable evidence. Something to prove require intellectual honesty. Or an intellectual sellout could go for what is written in texts which are academically disproven.