Muslim caller tries to find logic in Quran

[@MadhusudanSinha]

Most people have gone through their life not questioning their belief. It is really hard for them to realize that they have been wrong for a very long time.

[@namank93]

Very true. And sad to be honest. Religion has literally fucked up everything

[@nitishkushwaha1173]

That's true !! this is the biggest parameter for me to measure rationalism can you go extra step and put extra effort to challenge your belief. Sounds easy but that's damn difficult then we have confirmation bias, egocentric bias etc. but still we can learn, unlearn and improve.

[@Nickel287]

Or it is just their ego or arrogance that comes into play They just don't want to or can't accept that whatever they were believing in all their life is a lie/false/myth/imagination. They say i m an intellect , how can one dupe me , how can i be wrong , no no i can never be wrong in what i believed all my life ; it's them who are wrong and spreading propaganda to tarnish my faith

[@rdrd9250]

Yes it is too hard to question your belief..it's happening to me

[@HumanistLogic]

Sameer : we believe whatever is written in Quran is True. Vimoh : the best question ever " Why .. ?" 😂😂 Great Discussion

[@prakashrnair]

I am surprised that Sameer even chose to have a discussion with you inspite of his beliefs and was also civil about it. Very few believers are civil in such discussions

[@Niggasonic_Teenage_Warhead]

as a muslim guy, u don't have any idea how rare it actually is

[@MANO-RANJAN-e3e]

Then you never had any same person around

[@tharun_017]

Sameer seems a very polite person. hope he comes out of his confusions soon and find freedom from his indoctrination.

[@xboobgenius]

so real

[@wrathg]

It is heart breaking to see he doesn't see flaws in his own argument. But then again, most of us don't when we are arguing out of emotion and just like anything it takes a lot of practice to question our belives and to think rationally.

[@amitkumar-wj8gn]

"We are the resistance" says the tshirt while the man takes pride in being sheep.

[@swapnilnarendra]

oof !

[@marburymadison3407]

Religion was carved out from resistance movements too. Every resistance eventually becomes Sheep.

[@dictatoroblitorator1115]

@@marburymadison3407 deeep

[@ansarisufiyan2883]

I am so sad for Sameer that he went to the wrong side.

[@beactivebehappy9894]

he didn’t go anywhere.. he was born into it

[@Nickel287]

​@@beactivebehappy9894but he is matured and educated enough to question and come out of it But he doesn't want to and wants to stay in the group and place where he is born So this proves the statement that he has gone to a wrong side

[@akshayanand8993]

Conversations/debates are meant to be like that in polite way.😊

[@prasadpappu23]

"That is what I'm saying.. That's written.. That's true is what I believe " 😂😂

[@prasadpappu23]

@@privisuals9888 same here man. Lol His line of answers was the same throughout. He's all confused with the simple terms like "belief" and "logic"

[@ameylaghate2925]

Every believer's last argument.

[@prajeshmagar1815]

Well,i think religious people are mostly rational when it comes to other’s religion.

[@akshayaneelkanthi2823]

😆yes they should think that way when it comes to their religion as well

[@sadiquemuqadam]

Quite true 😅😅😅

[@nightcoreeeeeeee]

Absolutely.

[@sarangbhirad]

I feel so bad for Sameer. The amount of time he used the word "believe" without true explaination of "logic" is disheartening. Only if he could understand that beliefs can never be explained through logic.

[@humaisabbasi]

bro i respect everybody's opinion and perspective but atheists have no logic in their justification

[@VandanaSharma-fq7gf]

@@humaisabbasi its not about understanding even the thiests deep down doesn't believe in their religious book they just have faith in that book.... they themselves just preassumed that their respective religious book is true but if we ask on what logic and they are like i believe in it.... i mean who are they.... if they believe that something is true....doesn't mean its true.....

[@humaisabbasi]

@@VandanaSharma-fq7gf bro i respect everybody's opinion and perspective but atheists have no logic in their justification

[@anujkaul86]

I am happy at least people are questioning their beliefs and religion. This questioning mindset will lead to logical and scientific temper

[@andreasplosky8516]

Just discovered your channel. Very interesting. I love the calm and rational way you approach things. Subscribed

[@undefinedscience]

Sameer ke clothe par likha hai, 'we are the resistance'.😂

[@HumanistLogic]

पहले मुझे भी लगता था दुनिया इतनी परफेक्ट है ग्रेविटी, मौसम वगैरह परंतु जब SJ Sir और human with Science को सुना तो सभी डाउट clear हो गए । यहाँ कुछ भी perfect नहीं है केवल एक इत्तेफाक है की इतने बड़े universe मे पृथ्वी habitable बनी और इंसान का ईवोलूशन हुआ । ये बिल्कुल वैसा ही है फुटपाथ पर एक चींटी सही सलामत जिंदा चल रही है और कुछ नहीं कह सकते की किस पल मे किसी का पैर उस पर आकार पड़े और सब खत्म, चींटी को भी मुगालता होता होगा की उसकी दुनिया बहुत सही है

[@Inner.divinity]

Humara brain ka structure esa hai ki hum ko belief system chahiye... Belief system ke bina es dunia mein kuch sense , meaning, purpose dhoondh paana muskil hai...

[@nitishkushwaha1173]

The biggest parameter for me to measure rationalism is .. can you go extra step and put extra effort to challenge your belief. Sounds easy but that's damn difficult then we have confirmation bias, egocentric bias etc. but still we can learn, unlearn and improve. I can clearly see sameer now but truth is that at some point of time we are were like him and maybe even today some part of me is like sameer. But good thing is that I am quite sure that sameer is likely to challenge his belief the way he engaged ... he has allowed other to challenge his belief !! and if he keeps exploring like that I'm sure one day he would likely challange his belief.

[@melroyc.f.fernandes7467]

Checking out your channel after coming across your collaborations with SID. 👍

[@scarystory-b3u]

Vimoh❌ Vin Diesel 2.0✅

[@romibengali]

😂🤣

[@nadeemshaikh2615]

I think this guy wants to say that. “All other religions are illogical. So instead of believing in any one of them I choose to believe in my own illogical religion.”

[@dannystark7668]

Aren't you Muslim too?

[@vikassaini7485]

​@@dannystark7668 He might be an atheist.

[@sadiquemuqadam]

Thats very accurate conclusion 😅😅😅

[@arytecht]

​@@dannystark7668probably an ex muslim

[@dannystark7668]

Let's discuss n​@@arytecht

[@avinashkumar-td2dp]

Vimosh you correctly pointed that you find a religious scripture logical only because you born in that religion..... i laughed when sameer find quran logical without evidence and at the same time asking proof of other religious claims.

[@AA13494]

he shud listen to adam seeker

[@mohammedzain5598]

@@AA13494 well if u think adam is a rationalist!!! than u need help...there are better atheist people doing it without having bias.....such as VIMOH ex-hindu and also veedu vidz ex muslim

[@bhaskar8883]

When someone believes something to be absolute truth they can't even comprehend the idea of questioning it! When somebody else questions their belief they think 'how can one question this absolute truth?' it takes lot of energy and reasoning to come to terms to the idea that what you believe to be absolute truth may not be true at all. Very few spend such energy to reason their fundamental beliefs to be able to come to the point of rationality. Rest become passive defensive while not engaging in any reasoning but still believing how can one question what they consider the absolute truth.

[@vancedadder]

Hes actually on a good path (can't say if it's the right one yet), he just needs to dig deeper

[@AA13494]

their book says earth is flat/ spread like a carpet. Vimoh shud have brought that up instead of saying the sky is in shape of a dome over the earth.

[@himanshukhattar8693]

Vimoh I am fan of your clarity on thoughts

[@prasannakumar8566]

The mental gymnastics these religious guys do😂😂

[@mubeen316]

Sameer, the next time you indulge in a discussion like this with anyone, please try to listen to what the other person is saying. It is natural to get defensive, but try to be calm and have an open mind.

[@vimoh]

He was mostly listening. But there was a lag

[@cd3597]

​@@vimohthat was actually pretty annoying to be honest.

[@vyhhn]

That guy thinks If he likes guitar and i like piano and he dont like piano than i am illogical🤣

[@BeRational4764]

🙌

[@multiplewaya-qk7uq]

They believe that the man is formed directly by the hands of allah 😂 Forget evolution Adam

[@whimsicalvagabond6906]

If Anti malarials, smallpox vaccines, antibiotics, polio vaccines, aseptic surgery etc weren't given to the world, this fellow wouldn't have been alive to fulfill his god given purpose of believing in his god.

[@Akron-x5x]

LOL.

[@monsoonmusic]

its is so frustrating to see such a polite person refuse objective reality because its forbidden in his faith

[@abhishekranawat2343]

Hat's off to your patience Vimoh

[@andalibakhtar5707]

Surprised that the guy is respctful, not like the common muslim hardliners

[@shahzadzaman2957]

Sameer is frustrating if you want him to look at his beliefs objectively. But he is funny if you really don't care about what he is saying.

[@vancedadder]

You say that as if you'd be any different when put on the spot

[@South_Asian.Fascist-98]

It had been a disgrace in the past when Beliefs were made so strong... that every thing that was done, is in the name of god... And the impacts are clearly on the today's humans too... whose belief are still strong and would fight for its protection... In the Wake of overpowering the religon, the humans have forgotten the basic core of humanity... Still a long time to be freed from the belief system when people will be rational enough to judge the things appropriately

[@preetgamer1495]

Sameer was really sweet and civil though ! (and so is vimoh as always) But we must not chuckle at their understanding of the world. The pattern that I hv observed is that people like sameer are not able to live with "existential crisis" hence they fall back to religion as that gives you sense of security. Its like you feel you will be preserved forever ! ( though all these are false hopes)

[@gladwinsamuel8709]

Faith is the absence of evidence

[@barnaliadhikary2045]

Vimoh, what is the relation or connect between atheism & feminism?

[@vimoh]

good topic. let's talk about it in the live stream

[@subhendugiri5018]

Sameer seems to be very nice person, but it is too late to correct his thinking process. Agreed, it is the influence of every religion from the time a kid takes birth. Same in every religion. People have started thinking that science books and religious books are same. No, it is not. Science books have been written based on facts and evidences, and after immense research. I feel sad to think that religious people undermines such effort behind of science books. Fact is, number of rational people is decreasing throughout the world. In India, may be it is in few hundreds or lesser.

[@catsandrandom3844]

Science is always "changing". Religious text have things common with scientific findings. Science will keep "changing". So, the commonality between religious text and scientific findings wont remain.

[@deeprajdas9555]

Kudos to your patience trying to make difference in between faith or belief and factual logic...

[@MegaMonamy]

we are the resistance... TO LOGIC

[@homosapien.9702]

😂😂😂

[@mahadevnarale2394]

Good discussion respecting each other

[@MrBlackjack456]

I really like he way you have questioned the person's logic. The question I have for you is, What would be considered as a concrete evidence of the existence of God/Higher entity?

[@romibengali]

Sir you need more popularity

[@suvasishmajumder7794]

This boy should watch Haris sultan who is a very learned ex-muslim athiest . He should also read his book to get rid of the fantasy he is in.

[@yenaremadun7184]

If your God has given you a test, then why did he give instructions in your holy book? Isn't that cheating? Why didn't he give this book to everyone on Earth?

[@Inner.divinity]

If this world is an exam hall, then praying 5 times a day seeking the help of the examiner to pass the test in the exam hall makes no sense

[@No-I-dont-want-that]

Doesn't it feels like he was forced to believe in God? Like he is putting an act.

[@Unusedmaterial]

He reminds me of the previous caller featured in the video “believe it or not”

[@ziyaulislam8015]

Vimoh sir👏❤

[@Mukesh-oq8dx]

Great example of what "brain washing" looks like.

[@devendrasinghsisodiya7864]

People often confuse the terminology and say it is just a "Theory". Science doesn't change; it improves and encompasses older observations. Evolution is a fact, the nuances of Evolution might improve with time and that's a good thing.

[@smws569]

Hi Vimoh , i want to ask you something, what's your view on Swami Vivekananda, and disciples of his vedanta society having experience of god in deep meditation, how they came to the conclusion that what they are experiencing is god ? They also give the meditation processes by which you also can experience God ???? Also , is concisness is a fundamental property of universe and not a part of our body and mind or Consciousness is evolutionary and emergent from the properties of our brain ????

[@FromPlanetZX]

Vimoh has no idea about such thing and most probably according to him Vivekananda was a bum and he was hallucinating. About Consciouness, whether it is fundamental or emergent? All the top scientist are still debating about this right now. No conclusion yet. All you can do at the moment is to choose your side according to your believe. According to Advaita Vedanata, one of the branch of Vedanta. Consciouness is fundamental. Bernardo Kastrup , Don Hoffman are some scientist who are leading the reasearch on consciouness is fundamental.

[@cyborg6282]

They lied about it and it's not vimohs job to prove it

[@smws569]

@@cyborg6282 i just questioned , i just want to know

[@preetgamer1495]

swami vivekananda propogated "advait vedanta" which itself rejects existence of any god stuff !

[@Skepticastiel]

Great debate I respect vimoh

[@LostZoro266]

Why science vs God or religion. Science is observation God is imagination, you decide in which to believe?

[@bdjlo2008]

Sameer is actually saying this: 1. Sammer says: Science keeps changing, it is untrustworthy, it is not constant, How can we trust it? How can we put faith in it? as it might change tomorrow. 2. Sameer says: Islam/Qu'ran does not change, EVER. it is constant. Therefore, we can trust it, We can put faith in it, because it will never change. 3. Vimoh asks: Why should anyone care about the Qu'ran? 4. Sameer responds: We should care about the Qu'ran because Duh, it is true and accurate. and also, it corresponds with modern Science. and Qu'ran/Islam has a lot of Science in it. 5. Vimoh: But HOW CAN USE SCIENCE to support your religion as you have already deemed it to untrustworthy? like WTF? 6. Sameer: Sorry, you it wrong. Islam/Qu'ran do not need science. I am using Science because you believe in Science. I am only doing it for you. I personally don't need science, I just need logic, common sense and faith. and because it all makes sense to me, it must be true. But, it has nothing to do with the fact that I was born into Islam. 7. Vimoh: WTF

[@SK21439]

Vimoh how does universe come into existence? It started somewhere you believe bcz universe is expanding. I agree. But what was before it started? Nothing? So what’s the cause of this effect?

[@dhrbolai]

we should always be stuck on Android 2.3 gingerbread not to the latest version...

[@rohitshrivastava4742]

Sameer was civil. The discussion was insufferable though. I really think that if parents delay religious education to 14yo instead of at 6-7…our world will be much smarter place, kinder too

[@77sogeorge]

Sameer is completely blinded. No logical thinking, just a blind belief with no questioning.

[@beactivebehappy9894]

14:17 okayyyyyyy, so he went there …. 😢😢😢😢😢

[@jiteshsharma8306]

So painful.

[@kothibanglewala7855]

Vimoh, you looked exactly Abhijit Iyer Mitra. I thought you called him.

[@melroyc.f.fernandes7467]

Sameer, You are on the right path! You are seeking the truth! Try out other books too like : Age of Reason - Thomas Paine, Rape of the mind - Joost Meerloo. Keep thinking! Keep asking questions!

[@Mr.Chin666]

शायद आप Human With Science Channel पर आए थे और हमारी बात भी हुई थी

[@rajvaibhavtripathi84]

Can you please tell us with some of the renowned and truly journals that can be helpful to understand what you have been talking about with Sameer?

[@whykoks]

I wonder that very few people are asking religious people to give formula of string theory or dark matter, or dark energy, or quantum gravity by reading their religious books.

[@shubhamsoni319]

Every religious person : My religion is superior, powerful and kind 😅

[@cyborg6282]

Vimoh you are like pluto i wish i was calm like you in arguments

[@tanubhardwaj2920]

This is the typical argument where people say that your science will catch up and eventually conclude what the scripture has already written down for us to follow. Also, there is this affinity to authority which can tell us what to do instead of making your own definitions. After all who doesn’t like to be a little lazy ;)

[@vishakhabharti1443]

The patience 😂🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@harman1957]

You need to do a street epistemology kind of thing lol

[@rathodnikhil7513]

All religious books are created by human and their beliefs about god , god is subconscious thing created by man.

[@denoffitness3379]

Sammer is brainwashed 😂😂😂 just like everyone following some religion

[@ad84_71]

Funny thing about religious people is that they defend their position with all possible illogical arguments but somehow become absolutely rational and scientific when they are discussing the shortcomings of a different religion 😂😂😂😂

[@qasimqamar4996]

Quran says that Allah has raised the sky without any external support...........Now sky is not a tangible thing, it is a mere space, it says we are reducing the edges of the earth.........round object doesn't have any edges.............it says we have laid the earth like a carpet.........Again round objects cannot be 'laid'...............it says we placed moutains like pegs on earth lest it should shake...........mountains are not 'placed' but emerge beneath the surface of earth as a result of collision of tectonic plates............it says Allah first created earth, produced vegetation and then shifted his focus towards heaven...........this is idiotic and nonsense..............it says meteorites are infact missiles thrown at Satan..............Carnage of science is self explanatory in Quran................

[@tahavohra3936]

Pls dont mess with vimoh, if u dont know the basics of logic and logical conversation.. forget about converting him into ur religion..

[@YamBahadurThapa-d7u]

सायद युनिभर्स मे सबसे पहले बायू शून्य मेटर जो ऊर्जा आया होगा जो दिखने मे कुक्ष भि नहि हे लेकिन बहुत कुक्ष भि हे।

[@Skepticastiel]

Can you debunk - book of wisdom harry b joseph

[@as00r60]

Have you seen or read "Legend of The Galactic Heroes"?

[@ansarisufiyan2883]

Bhai mast dikh rahe ho. Pure podcaster look. (Kurei tamashi)

[@harshadabhaware1423]

😅 13:45 yes

[@thisisXyz763]

A: Quran is true coz it has some ans to our problems . B: other books also have ans as well why dont u belive it . A: Coz it is not quran

[@coding1818]

When he said Gravity ...!!!!! 😂😂😂

[@kevivsinha5128]

I think people believe in afterlife because they can't handle the fact the we all are going to die at some point and nothing more will come out of it. Basically they want the experiences that we have to continue forever. I think it's just greed. :)

[@amitsunny1584]

Why you shaved your head vimoh?

[@HumanistLogic]

Here is a very big question - why are you believing ...... means aisa kya ho jayega yadi aap ek believer nahi ho balki ek aise insaan ho jo open minded hai aur science ko real bolta hai.

[@AtheismLeadsToIrrationality]

14:20 no vimoh there is nothing like that in Quran

[@MrShukra2000]

All the religions are just manipulation done with your emotions..sameer is emotional about his religion and not ready to gave up on that, though he understands the truth side.

[@tanmoymanna4832]

Why these people come with silly arguments. We have no clear idea of so called universe's frame ,,,how dare they can say after life, jannat , heaven , hell all these sorts of imaginations!😢

[@sadiquemuqadam]

So is science...which have lots of theories still without any evidences...Every one have beliefs so does some scientists... Some believes conciously and some believes blindly...

[@RijulManchanda]

Wait till he studies cell "theory" 😅

[@theawesomegd]

People are trying to make him believe in God.. let him be.. OR GIVE HIM A SOLD PROFF THAT GOD REALLY EXIT.. . And then they will say their religion is the only true one all the other are not.. but no one ever given any proof of their religion being the only the true one.. I do believe in waheguru ( creator of the universe ) but I don't go around and trying to make people in believe what I believe in. LIVE AND LET LIVE

[@dhrbolai]

Vimoh sir, "The Expanse" dekho

[@vimoh]

seen it

[@dhrbolai]

how much would you rate it among the sci-fi series out there...

[@vimoh]

9/10

[@dhrbolai]

@@vimoh it's a bummer that amazon is not going to make the remaining 3 books on the series... instead they wasted their money on LOTR prequel series.

[@SaboorKhan-cf4ss]

Faith consists of logic

[@77sogeorge]

If you believe in God, then you surely believe that gods creations are permanent. If God created Adam and Eve ( or any other 2 people) what were their races? How did 2 people end up producing people of so many races? Did they evolve over time? So is it evolution or is it creation? If they did, then creation is not permanent and then god is not all powerful as claimed. Also, who created god? If everything needs a creator, then how can we accept that a creator can magically appear out of nothing?

[@vedantpatil6934]

bros just like me goin through midlife crises

[@AbhishekPatel-wm1cc]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@dhrbolai]

reproduction is like a photo copy not the photo print...

[@abhishekraj-jb6zx]

Just tell the people about the theories of Neil De Grasse tyson and tell them what he thinks about these mythology

[@piyushpathak1186]

Screen share karke likh k samjagaya karo ye log nhi to circle m hi baat karenge😂😂

[@Dontwatchyoutube]

Lol. Muhammad flying on a horse is science? Seriously?

[@xboobgenius]

it’s not a horse, it’s a khota? 💀😭

[@mohammedzain5598]

well there are non-scientific claims in every religions...from mohammed pbuh flying on a horse or jesus christ curing blind and turning something into wine or even the legends/epics of hinduism... so if u truly believe in accurate science then u will find religions false....but if one has to include both of em then he has to fing excuses/others ways to prove his point.....such as saying miracles can happen/or saying that the sentence can be metaphorical/ or that u align ur culture and say atheism is in our history and fake claim about atheism

[@qasimqamar4996]

Pleasantly surprised to see your channel............Iam an ex-Muslim living in UAE.........

[@bhushan21699]

What is at the heart of this debate is there is disparity between your understanding of logic and his meaning. His is subjective logic and yours is objective logic which can be proven at any time and on any geography

[@vimoh]

there is no such thing as subjective logic

[@prasadpappu23]

@@vimoh lol 😂

[@pradeepkumarm944]

@@vimoh But don't you think that our 'objective logic' is colored by our subjective biases, despite our best efforts to be unbiased? So, in that sense, almost all logic is 'subjective'. The very drive to reason out something stems from a self-centered motive towards a subjective end. Is it not?

[@meMohanR]

Okay 1 think to point out to those who says "Evolution is just a Theory" then yes it is. But what does it mean? Do you know that?! In science the "Theory" is the highest form of facts that is proven by multiple tests and observations. You say "Theory of something" in general and yes you are correct that "It's just a thory" but in science "Theory" means it has been proven and well agreed by everything we see or whoever test those. I just found out this channel and I loved it because he accept that he doesn't know about GOD so I don't know but just you or someone or some book say "The GOD is there" without evidence or ovservation I'm not accepting it. And that's rational thinking and I love it. To those again who might say "Its just a theory" remember next time "Thoery" in science is well proven with facts and supported by many many evidences.