Atheists Can't Justify Caring About Animals!

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Alex O'Connor

Alex O'Connor

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@EC-yw1iv
@EC-yw1iv 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve recently started questioning my religiosity thanks to your videos. Thanks for creating content that allows people to think critically.
@jearn11
@jearn11 4 жыл бұрын
@Ferber Merbidur I'm sure you didn't deny your religion in a vacuum either. Something informed your "common sense." Just seems like you're trying to gloat about your intellectual superiority while kicking someone. Atheists already have a bad reputation for that, so don't make it worse.
@davydtaylor4151
@davydtaylor4151 4 жыл бұрын
Ferber Merbidur I cant see how you can say that bud. There must have been a time when you decided that you were not a believer, irrespective of when that was. Also, assuming that atheism is correct, having the right opinion on it doesn’t necessarily mean you used logic and reason to get there. It makes me laugh when atheists just assert that they have common sense and reason as if ordained by God himself. The proper use of logic and reason is learned. I spent time at uni studying philosophy that taught me how best to formulate sound positions, and what fallacious reasoning was. However, for those people with more sense than to waste their time and money like I did, youtube is a great place to learn new perspectives and their flaws.
@theTYTAN3
@theTYTAN3 4 жыл бұрын
@Ferber Merbidur My religion taught me as a young child that doubting God was shameful, they taught me that atheism was an inherently evil thing and that anyone who engages In it is a morally destitute servant of satan. The only reason I allowed myself to entertain my doubts was because people like Cosmic Skeptic made it seem acceptable. Different people have different upbringings and dispositions, dont be a dick.
@christophermaurer1271
@christophermaurer1271 4 жыл бұрын
@evidenceonlythanx Happy New Year to you . Thoroughly enjoyed reading your thoughts on this matter.
@deborahcarvallho6012
@deborahcarvallho6012 4 жыл бұрын
@@theTYTAN3 I totally relate to this, I was taught that doubting God was a deadly sin. Every since I was a kid I had questions, but I didn't allow myself to go so far bc I was affraid of God literally killing me. It has been a year since I finally allowed myself to question everything, now I feel free like never before.
@JohnCena8351
@JohnCena8351 4 жыл бұрын
0:04 "Every since my debate earlier this year" Dads around the world: *don't* *you* *mean* *last* *year* *??*
@YousufFilms
@YousufFilms 4 жыл бұрын
last decade*
@sellingass3693
@sellingass3693 4 жыл бұрын
Guess i'm a dad🤦‍♂️
@DoctaOsiris
@DoctaOsiris 4 жыл бұрын
Last year, last week, feels like yesterday 🤣
@annb1855
@annb1855 4 жыл бұрын
Guess it was filmed earlier
@Nicolai_Apeiros
@Nicolai_Apeiros 4 жыл бұрын
@@annb1855 Wow, ur a genius, lol
@OneEyeShadow
@OneEyeShadow 4 жыл бұрын
"The only reason you aren't torturing your dog is because you're afraid of divine punishment?"
@ghuttsmckenzie4269
@ghuttsmckenzie4269 4 жыл бұрын
That's not a very good reason... I think I'd prefer argument that dogs are freaking cute, friendly, and nice! Cats are adorable but can be pure evil sometimes.
@T1hitsTheHighestNote
@T1hitsTheHighestNote 4 жыл бұрын
If all your morality comes from a book, you have no morality at all.
@MM-ss9yd
@MM-ss9yd 4 жыл бұрын
Ummm? Thats just you buddy
@darkwolf4434
@darkwolf4434 4 жыл бұрын
Tribalism would cause humans to kill most dogs from other tribes. In the villages we still kill each others dogs if the behave badly.
@optionsstrategies7511
@optionsstrategies7511 4 жыл бұрын
Robert Lundkvist Where does your morality come from?
@justinoden2229
@justinoden2229 4 жыл бұрын
"Yeah, we are 'just' atoms and molecules, but why should that matter?" I don't know if he intended that as a joke, but I thought it was good.
@matteopossamai1103
@matteopossamai1103 4 жыл бұрын
@@urbandesitv3529 He isn't rebutting it, it's just worth noting that saying why should that *matter* while talking about atoms and molecules makes it sound like a pun
@monteraid
@monteraid 4 жыл бұрын
Urban Desi TV giving advice to “probable rebuttal” instead of questioning then went to ad hominem ignoring your whole advice that you gave 3 seconds ago! You are living up to your Islam Reputation for sure.
@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369
@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 4 жыл бұрын
They are specific interactions that define life
@benwil6048
@benwil6048 4 жыл бұрын
Urban Desi TV a moment of silence for the brain cells you are losing and have lost... .... .... .... Anyway just because you are losing brain cells doesn’t mean atheists are also losing them. (That is also an ad hom btw) if you feel the need to jump off of buildings I would ask you not to do so unless it’s a very low building perhaps. The person that falsely assumed u were Muslim (because the theist in this vid was a Muslim) was referring to where you said “circle jerking with other atheists”, which is a “self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made”. Tbh I’m doubting between whether it is a circumstantial or an abusive ad hom. It would be circumstantial if you assume ppl think this, just because of their circumstances, namely the lack of a belief in imaginary beings. Otherwise it would simply be abusive as you try to show he is mistaken by being abusive towards atheists instead of addressing what was said. Sadly you seem to have lost too many braincells by your own admission to realize this... but more perplexing still is your first comment where you think he(an atheist, I assume as he is agreeable) is rebutting something, that another atheist said while agreeing with him? Even though he was just pointing out a funny pun. So I guess your poorly worded OP has caused all of this confusion. I must ask, do you know what a rebuttal is?
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 4 жыл бұрын
@@urbandesitv3529 *"The more i talk to atheists, the more brain cells I lose"* that could explain your current state of arbitrary. KEvron
@newsystembad
@newsystembad 4 жыл бұрын
If theists genuinely have this hard a time understanding why people aren't going around being murderous sociopaths without their god, I'm very glad they're behaving for their invisible sky patriarch.
@karanbirsinghbhullar
@karanbirsinghbhullar 4 жыл бұрын
Haha seriously
@shavingryansprivates4332
@shavingryansprivates4332 4 жыл бұрын
I used to be the same. Its just when you are religious everything is getting taken care of already. Without this end game there isn't any purpose to anything. They simply see a black hole they become extreme nihilist. This isn't the same as them wanting to do the stuff. In fact after i left my own empathy and values took the place religion left open.
@theokrisna
@theokrisna 4 жыл бұрын
'Looking at the David 'Psychopath' Wood. Yeah at least that guy got tamed by the delusion of his. I hope it won't backfired, though
@supme7558
@supme7558 4 жыл бұрын
Look how many psychos were religious and believe in God
@anonymousperson1904
@anonymousperson1904 4 жыл бұрын
Well, if a murderous sociopath went around killing people because he wanted to, you would have no way of justifying why they are immoral.
@beeb7477
@beeb7477 3 жыл бұрын
Im ex muslim, living in the middle east. ive been one for 18 years now. You guys have no idea the amount of mental suffering i went through, and still. Im counting the days till i run away and never come back to this sh- hole region. Im retired now and financially secure finally. Wish me luck.
@avesta1994
@avesta1994 3 жыл бұрын
the same here and good luck
@shvenanaij
@shvenanaij 3 жыл бұрын
good luck buddy
@ellenmendoza7246
@ellenmendoza7246 3 жыл бұрын
I really do wish you good luck my friend
@ellenmendoza7246
@ellenmendoza7246 3 жыл бұрын
@Melissa Oestreich very good considering the world is in a strange place. I'm in portugal which is a beautiful place
@beeb7477
@beeb7477 3 жыл бұрын
@Melissa Oestreich things are kind of "on hold" at the moment due to covid, my plan is to have residence permit in several countries (using investment visa for example). After that will choose the best one for me to live permenantly and get citizinship (hopefully). Thank you melissa and everyone else for your wishes and for caring.
@hackermeteo
@hackermeteo 4 жыл бұрын
I love this channel, i always recommend it to my friends.
@CosmicSkeptic
@CosmicSkeptic 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@DarkMatter1919
@DarkMatter1919 4 жыл бұрын
Only the first one gets a thank you for being original... no one likes an ass kisser!
@aboutagirl5085
@aboutagirl5085 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@dougcasey6117
@dougcasey6117 4 жыл бұрын
@simon corbett "attracts most people who might well prefer to eat free-range but just can't afford it" I can say it didn't insult my ethics to eat factory meat, but I love to hunt and prepare meat doing it myself. Not an option available to everyone I realize, but I'm very patient and a great shot and because I started hunting at like 9-years old I don't miss often at all. If you anatomy and you should to hunt, a heart shot with say a 30-30 on a deer, killing that way is fast and painless as I could imagine. I've had people that themselves eat factory meat and then feel detached from the food chain, come at me as if I'm some savage cruel creature as if I abuse animals. I only take a life that has lived has mated I kill bucks with horns, I give them the respect of a fast painless death and I feed my kids and wife. This is the only way I feel right about killing to eat, I was a kid that ate factory meat, those entities never had a free day to roam fields and woods to really live at all. I and my son now feed our families even my momma who fed me factory meat, I have no guilt and factory is an abomination practiced by the weak in my outlook... I'll hunt all my meat till I die with a clean conscience.
@onyourface207
@onyourface207 4 жыл бұрын
My friends will hate on me if I did the same.
@Aura-py8qc
@Aura-py8qc 4 жыл бұрын
alex youre such a respectful, intelligent and well spoken man. Im so glad youre using your skills to speak out for the victims
@LouisGedo
@LouisGedo 4 жыл бұрын
tru dat
@Gee-xb7rt
@Gee-xb7rt 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I am a 20+ yr vegan, and this kid has chops. I am kind of put off by a lot of the "gains, brah!" vegans, its not the point of veganism. Its not my place to lie, cheat, steal, or kill for sustenance, not sure why an easy concept like that is so hard to understand. I think Alex has grown a lot just from understanding the basic principle of compassion, the future is his, and anyone that embraces compassion, so awkward for religious types, to be ethical is to be compassionate in every organized religion.
@delfush
@delfush 4 жыл бұрын
Does the fact that we're just made of atoms actually......... 'matter'? ...Ok, I'll show myself out
@romankotas448
@romankotas448 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget your coat
@loadless2265
@loadless2265 4 жыл бұрын
You left your phone, take that too.
@chojin6136
@chojin6136 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't you have a hat?
@mostafazahid1710
@mostafazahid1710 4 жыл бұрын
*throws wallet* HERE! YOU FORGOT THIS, TOO!
@jessbrad9446
@jessbrad9446 4 жыл бұрын
delfush lets be friends 😂
@bfbvouabeorbvoaervure963
@bfbvouabeorbvoaervure963 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, we can justify it. You know why? Because we don’t need a book, we have a little thing called empathy!
@darkwolf4434
@darkwolf4434 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, empathy for animals within our tribe.
@darkwolf4434
@darkwolf4434 4 жыл бұрын
@tubetardism 20/20 No, I just need go look at all animals that are tribal, like wolves, chimpanzees and so on. Chimpanzees rip members of other tribes apart even if they've been part of their own tribe in the past. So this shows what humans actually are, but we have expanded our tribes through things like religion and other social constructs, which has caused bigger conflicts within tribes like wars.
@darkwolf4434
@darkwolf4434 4 жыл бұрын
@tubetardism 20/20 Bonobos just like chimpanzees are tribal animals and has their own territory and crossing that border still means conflicts between tribes. They are very closely related to chimpanzees and has evolved from the same primate as Bonobos for not that long ago. And of course I'm using mammals tribal behaviours because that only means that those behaviours are extremely old. And also, yes we do not feel empathy towards other tribes but we still adapt our tribes all the time, and has expanded our tribes through history. Some examples are TribesClans>Cities>Countries>Religious groups and so on, so today we have expanded it to a so large groups that we almost see every human as part of the tribe but our tribalism adapts all the time so we basically can see this in sports especially where fans sees their favourite team as "us" and the other team as "them" which is what Tribalism is.
@chadrasmussen6127
@chadrasmussen6127 3 жыл бұрын
Bro that's not true animals don't have empathy they kill other animals all the time so the fact that us humans having empathy twords each other point to a creator that cares about us as well because without said creator we are just like other animals so therefore why even have empathy other animals don't when they kill or be killed so without god how do you explain where empathy came from
@ravermader7035
@ravermader7035 3 жыл бұрын
@@chadrasmussen6127 chimps are animals. They have empathy. You can directly observe this when adult chimps adopt orphaned baby chimps. Chimps, and to an extent, primates, developed this tribal empathy to help each other out for the betterment of the tribe. As for chimps against other tribes, or chimps against other animals, they do not have much empathy. The difference in empathy between humans and primates is that we simply have a more developed concept of empathy than our ancient relatives. God could not have created our morals, as to believe he did would be to assume that God already exists without evidence, and not that he was created by *us*, to reflect *our* moral and empathetical ideologies.
@FanaticalTactician
@FanaticalTactician 4 жыл бұрын
As an exmuslim, the way this dude argues is so typical of apologists. He doesn't have any real arguments, he just strawmans the flaws in yours so that when he presents his, it seems for more reasonable. Also his lamppost comment, I didn't start caring about life until I became an atheist. If that makes me a lamppost, then I'm a happy lamppost.
@mr.normalguy69
@mr.normalguy69 4 жыл бұрын
@Floofy shibe Alhamdulillah brother.
@horsermchead2504
@horsermchead2504 4 жыл бұрын
@Kurd Mode if they do, I might convert to Islam so I can leave and get paid. Hmmm...
@mikkelturtvig
@mikkelturtvig 4 жыл бұрын
imagine having the mindset of someone who needs to justify caring about another living creature.
@stylis666
@stylis666 4 жыл бұрын
Okay... Hang on.... No, sorry, I got nothing. I can imagine so much, but I can't do that. I know you'd have to be a sociopath though. Some lamppost told me: "If you don't know the difference between right and wrong, you need empathy, not religion."
@johnwilkins11
@johnwilkins11 4 жыл бұрын
Setekh I don’t really know if that’s a good way in which to think of things. I don’t really feel much empathy towards fish, but I understand that it’s wrong to kill them.
@stylis666
@stylis666 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnwilkins11 Yeah, compassion is a better word, but also not really covering everything. There are many ways to come to the same conclusion. You can be entirely practical and clinical about it and then it's still better to not kill fish willy nilly and possibly not even for food, assuming we have plenty of easily accessible alternatives that don't cost more and do taste at least as good because as long as you can't give me something I rather eat than a fish, that fish is dead, especially if I'm alone in a cabin in the woods ;)
@johnwilkins11
@johnwilkins11 4 жыл бұрын
@@stylis666 I disagree that the alternatives have to taste as good for it to be the case that we should eat them instead (it is better we eat to survive with no pleasure in food than kill animals to eat), but aside from that I agree.
@stylis666
@stylis666 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnwilkins11 Well, psychology is a thing. We need pleasure to survive and also to motivate us. But I agree it's not necessary that better food tastes better, it's just a matter of conditioning. We didn't originate with the taste for meat and then evolved to be able to survive eating meat. Eating meat had benefits and we developed a taste for it. But the underlying premise I was referring to is that it has to be encouraging on the short term if you want to change people's behaviours and that's not just true for people, but for all animals and even companies and organizations. Taste is just a great motivator, but you could also do it by taxing fish and meat and putting that money towards subsidizing biologically farmed vegetables, nuts and soy and things. You could also discourage eating meat and fish by forcing stores to hang up images of how the animals are held and slaughtered because evidence shows that people have little to no issues with abusing and killing living beings, even fellow humans, as long as they are not face to face with them and there's a mechanism that puts distance between the abuser/killer and the victim. Removing that distance results in less suffering. I can tell you now that it will work better than threatening people with an increased long term chance of various deadly diseases and then showing the worst case scenario that happens to maybe one in a million of people who get that specific disease and you might some day also get, in the future and probably a lot less severe. Long term benefits are exactly as shit as putting distance between people and the effects they're causing. It maybe encourages one or two people and the other billions will cause more suffering to billions of animals every day because they are not given a reason to care more about that than about enjoying a meal with their family and to change the behaviour of that family you need to make it more enjoyable to choose alternatives. If the kids hate it, that's counterproductive to the well being of the family and to your goal. But there are more ways than one to make a mushroom burger taste better for those children. One of them is by taking them to a farm and show the animals alive and happy and let your children pet them and the animals enjoy the attention from your children and explain that that is why they're not eating veal but mushrooms. Conditioning by encouraging and increasing awareness works just fine, but encouragement is necessary, whichever method or methods we choose to use.
@RandomHuman4022
@RandomHuman4022 4 жыл бұрын
When he says he had a debate earlier this year, how intense were his new year's celebrations??
@KattReen
@KattReen 4 жыл бұрын
prob filmed this in 2019 lol
@AidenAlien
@AidenAlien 4 жыл бұрын
Cat Tricks no way really? You are really smart man wow
@jamesleon4883
@jamesleon4883 4 жыл бұрын
He made fireworks
@TheKyrix82
@TheKyrix82 4 жыл бұрын
Atheists party like they think they only have one life to live
@SennaHawx
@SennaHawx 4 жыл бұрын
@Koneko A rhetorical one
@fjg2896
@fjg2896 4 жыл бұрын
The Muslim dude has designed his argument for the sole purpose of defending his religion, not to provide any insight about objective morality.
@bungiiee4752
@bungiiee4752 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly and he did not male the video on defending Animal rights but to pretend he does and use it as a strawman to defend his religion just to 1up the Athiest.
@ljgarrison6910
@ljgarrison6910 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine my surprise... 😂
@nottsoserious
@nottsoserious 4 жыл бұрын
I don't care what religion people follow, but one thing I really dislike about Islam is how some followers take the "Allah is the only God" thing way too far. They start attacking other religions and atheists to try and prove them wrong. It's crazy.
@Alifesalife
@Alifesalife 3 жыл бұрын
@@nottsoserious I mean yeah they literally kill people who disagree with or “insult” their beliefs yet also try to argue that they’re the only people with real morality. Religion is a sickness
@Visha054
@Visha054 2 жыл бұрын
@@nottsoserious Bro,wait tell U have heard about "Christianity is the only true religion" arguments,U will start questioning ur existence.😂😂😂
@julianprus83
@julianprus83 4 жыл бұрын
“I need to believe I have an imaginary friend, an invisible slave master, in order to feel good about caring what I care about, and holding the moral views I do.”
@mosesking2923
@mosesking2923 4 жыл бұрын
Quite simply, atheists cannot have any morality of their own. Animals can feel pain, emotions, and have sensory experiences of the world...so what? On what basis do these qualities confer rights? None, other than petty emotional feelings-based arguments. As CosmicSkeptic himself said, there is no objective morality so why does he care about animals to begin with?
@julianprus83
@julianprus83 4 жыл бұрын
Moses King “atheists cannot have any morality of their own.” It’s so sad to see that your stone aged, man made, asinine religion, and it’s brainwashing/indoctrination, has poisoned your brain to such a degree that you seriously believe the insanity you spew. It is utterly pointless to attempt rational discourse with someone of the ludicrous worldview from which you operate.
@umarabdaziz
@umarabdaziz 4 жыл бұрын
@@julianprus83 i see that instead of addressing his points, you proceeds to insult him and conclude that you can't have rational discourse with him without even trying to do so first. very civilised indeed.
@julianprus83
@julianprus83 4 жыл бұрын
Umar Abd Aziz when you start a comment by “atheists cannot have any morality...”, you don’t deserve my relational discourse. You deserve to be insulted and mocked.
@umarabdaziz
@umarabdaziz 4 жыл бұрын
@@julianprus83 I'm glad not every atheist are like you
@naivnynadhlad3248
@naivnynadhlad3248 4 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, him misunderstanding everything is so frustrating to watch, props to Alex for not losing it.. I know I would
@coronachinesevirus8808
@coronachinesevirus8808 4 жыл бұрын
Naivný Nadhľad That muhammadan knows the facts, but he wants to earn by fooling his braindead followers and earn money
@CosmicSkeptic
@CosmicSkeptic 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to check the description for relevant links and sources, and further viewing. Watch out for my end-of-year book recommendation video coming very soon! *PLEASE NOTE*: For an hour or so some of the links in the description were faulty. Some have commented that the person I am responding to deleted his video; this is not the case.
@Darius-kl3jk
@Darius-kl3jk 4 жыл бұрын
I think that the link to your initial video is broken...
@HarshDeshpande91
@HarshDeshpande91 4 жыл бұрын
@@Darius-kl3jk Many of the links are broken. They got truncated and replaced with ellipses.
@googlebarbaralernerspectre2581
@googlebarbaralernerspectre2581 4 жыл бұрын
I've met ex Muslims, and Christians Catholics etc, it's like they've grown a rational brain...
@shaboingboing4638
@shaboingboing4638 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Alex, the links don't work. Says video is not available.
@abrarfaiyaz6503
@abrarfaiyaz6503 4 жыл бұрын
11:54 , he doesn't claim Islam provides the 'only' objective basis for the ethical treatment of animals. 12:47, again he never said or even implied his worldview is the pinnacle of animal ethics. You're completely missing the point he's trying to make. Although I completely disagree with his point, you've got to admit you totally messed that up. How could you misinterpret and misrepresent something so simple?
@zerrubabbel
@zerrubabbel 4 жыл бұрын
"I am the light, and I will illuminate your path, for I am... literally a lamp post" - Muslim Dude, 2019
@IsaacSMILE
@IsaacSMILE 4 жыл бұрын
Ha.
@professoriron7475
@professoriron7475 3 жыл бұрын
ha
@Kobainski
@Kobainski 3 жыл бұрын
He.
@proloycodes
@proloycodes 3 жыл бұрын
Ha.
@arianagrandaremix8858
@arianagrandaremix8858 3 жыл бұрын
Ha
@Templetonq
@Templetonq 4 жыл бұрын
Simple question: Why should we care what Allah thinks?
@benwil6048
@benwil6048 4 жыл бұрын
A Muslim: “cause he will burn you in hell for all eternity and let your skin melt off anew every day MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA oh Allah is so wise and merciful” 😅😂
@pomegranatepip2482
@pomegranatepip2482 4 жыл бұрын
We don’t.
@Gee-xb7rt
@Gee-xb7rt 4 жыл бұрын
Actually if you read Gen 1 you know what Allah thinks -- He made plants for you to eat, after that it's on you. The problem with Abrahamic reglions is obviously Jews can't garden if they are wandering in the desert, and God accepts that life isn't that perfect, but if you aren't wandering in the desert whats you excuse? You can go to Walmart and buy a veggie burger or a burger made with suffering, how is that even a choice?
@Gee-xb7rt
@Gee-xb7rt 4 жыл бұрын
@@benwil6048 Sorry, there are many vegan Muslims, I'm sure you don't want to be lumped in with most white people, do you?
@thomasf.9717
@thomasf.9717 4 жыл бұрын
@@Gee-xb7rt is Islam a skin color now?
@omnigar9611
@omnigar9611 4 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who finds it ironic getting morality speeches from a guy who believes it's okay to beat his wife ritually
@dalekdx
@dalekdx 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. I honestly don't know why people consider the bible as a good source to learn about morality. I think it's immoral to sell one's daughter into slavery, or to JUSTIFY owning slaves in the first place.
@losersclub9309
@losersclub9309 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. Its not allowed to beat your wife in Islam.
@kathleen5237
@kathleen5237 4 жыл бұрын
I know. Morality in Islam - murder someone who doesn't agree with their religion, murder someone who happens to be gay, amputate the hands and/or feet of people accused of stealing, stone to death a woman who was raped, subjugate women. Disgusting. I used to have an imaginary friend. Then I grew up and realised I was talking to myself
@losersclub9309
@losersclub9309 4 жыл бұрын
@@kathleen5237 Utter rubbish. Nothing like that in Islam. All false
@kathleen5237
@kathleen5237 4 жыл бұрын
@@losersclub9309 It would be best if you don't tell that to Zakir Naik then
@hunterflores3029
@hunterflores3029 4 жыл бұрын
I laughed so freaking hard at the end of the video when he looked exasperated and just signed off after the man's claim that we're literally lamp posts.
@cynicalidealist11
@cynicalidealist11 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny because seeing a goat getting sent to slaughter in India during Eid was actually what got me to look into animal rights which eventually led me to veganism.
@iLLya_
@iLLya_ 4 жыл бұрын
what was it called again? ghurban?
@seikoshinobaka9139
@seikoshinobaka9139 4 жыл бұрын
@@iLLya_ Qurbani
@DaSquareful
@DaSquareful 4 жыл бұрын
Here in freedom land we pay people to be cruel for us.
@aleksanderblinn4492
@aleksanderblinn4492 4 жыл бұрын
You should go to an abbatoir here same thing nothing to do with religion
@frizzelfrazzel99
@frizzelfrazzel99 4 жыл бұрын
@@DaSquareful that is true! If you go vegan, then that stops that for atleast every person that goes vegan! Money talks, put it towards something that doesn't end lives!
@waywardwinchester
@waywardwinchester 4 жыл бұрын
Strawman galore from this guy as he has no real arguments against you, great job debunking him Alex as usual.
@alex_pearl
@alex_pearl 4 жыл бұрын
I was just about to say the same thing! EpistemiX was throwing up a veritable army of strawmen to attack, instead of citing and responding to actual material from the source video.
@donnmckee4973
@donnmckee4973 4 жыл бұрын
Because strawmaning the strawman makes sense.
@dahadahaful
@dahadahaful 4 жыл бұрын
No. I’ve never heard of the other guy before but Alex is being incredibly smug and defensive. Almost everything Alex refutes as “not being his view” either actually is his view and he is getting hung up on semantics.. or is close enough for the intents and purposes of this discussion. Like it is actually ridiculous.. how many videos has Alex had debunking objective morality??? And he is seriously going to sit there and say the Muslim guy was putting words in his mouth when he says that Alex doesn’t believe in objective morality... Does Alex actually think so lowly of his audience that he thinks nobody will notice ?
@captainobvious90
@captainobvious90 4 жыл бұрын
Ey just wanna your channel and compilations on everything Supernatural are awesome! Hope to see more of them once season 15 finishes
@hubadj
@hubadj 4 жыл бұрын
@@dahadahaful I had a similar feeling. It's not good enough to say "Well that was some old old videos and since then I have changed". Dear Alex, you're not THAT OLD 😂 Maybe what he should do is be more careful of what he's saying in his videos. Not to say he can't change. That's fine, but maybe it's better to just acknowledge the fact than to be defensive 😉
@benwil6048
@benwil6048 4 жыл бұрын
10:25 “the ways animals are being treated is wrong, immoral, ...” But cutting their throat while awake is perfectly fine? 😂🤣
@stylis666
@stylis666 4 жыл бұрын
Torturing humans for not being gullible or sensitive to threats is moral, so yeah, everything goes as long as it's done to anyone else. Might makes right and if you're not strong, kiss the ass of the boss man and you'll be good. Islam is such a peaceful religion. I can feel myself calm down just thinking about it. Oh, nope, that's just my heart, slowly turning cold. Maybe I just need more of this loving and merciful wise god.
@benwil6048
@benwil6048 4 жыл бұрын
@@stylis666 just know that he burns us because he loves us. Give thanks & praises!
@stylis666
@stylis666 4 жыл бұрын
@@benwil6048 XD "Thank you god for starving the little children whom you gave AIDS instead of starving me or giving me AIDS. You are truly merciful and wise. Oh, and can you help me find my car keys, that would be swell, thanks, you're a doll, amen." :p
@kathleen5237
@kathleen5237 4 жыл бұрын
The sooner they ban that cruelty, the better for animals
@benwil6048
@benwil6048 4 жыл бұрын
Kate that’d prob be Islamophobic though xD
@ShadowZZZ
@ShadowZZZ 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a vegan atheist and I have enough reason and justification for my views. This title is also ironic because it's precisely religious people that so often justify eating meat by saying "all animals were created for our use"
@justrandomhuman3781
@justrandomhuman3781 4 жыл бұрын
Well, You should use adherents of abrahamic faiths. Hindus, sikhs and jains typically consider it to be an immoral act. It is not utterly impermissible, but it's frowned upon by the priests. I am an atheist btw.
@Rhaenarys
@Rhaenarys 4 жыл бұрын
How is it precisely religious views when A. Many atheists aren't vegan, myself included, and B. Humans are meat long before religion was even a concept?
@TheReasonableLiberal-hn2rs
@TheReasonableLiberal-hn2rs 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rhaenarys O know right? Taking any life is not acceptable in Budhism and alot of Asian are Budhist. That doesn't change the fact that alot if Asian eat meat. There's what you believe but there is a certain level of practicality too.
@ShadowZZZ
@ShadowZZZ 4 жыл бұрын
@@justrandomhuman3781 I don't need to assume superstitious mythology or supernatural claims for which there is no evidence or rational justification, when I can just straight up speak about the moral issue clearly and isolated from cultural tendencies...
@justrandomhuman3781
@justrandomhuman3781 4 жыл бұрын
@@ShadowZZZ I never implied that any religion is rationally justifiable. I mean to say that your comment was stereotypical and you comment generalized all religions. This provides theists opportunity to capitalize on and it makes you seem ignorant at best.
@catholonelbridget1072
@catholonelbridget1072 4 жыл бұрын
Your intelligence and your overall features make you bloody attractive. Keep at it you smart hot man
@LouisGedo
@LouisGedo 4 жыл бұрын
*2020.........Year of the Sexy VEGAN Activists*
@phuck8627
@phuck8627 4 жыл бұрын
he's hot af
@bobthabuilda1525
@bobthabuilda1525 4 жыл бұрын
He's definitely hot as hell...or...well, you know
@kjkj2222
@kjkj2222 4 жыл бұрын
You probably mean well, but your comment would probably make Alex pretty uncomfortable
@catholonelbridget1072
@catholonelbridget1072 4 жыл бұрын
@@kjkj2222 Yeah I was just thinking that...but eh my opinion stands. I dont think he would resent me for my opinion of him.
@ec6211
@ec6211 4 жыл бұрын
Morality is derived from logic, experience and knowledge sharing, not from some supernatural entity.
@ec6211
@ec6211 4 жыл бұрын
@Deferential Introspector Philosophically, no other living creature other than humans have shown any considerable evidence of belief in a supernatural entity or it's equivalent and yet there are animals such as monkeys(in this instance) that have a social hierarchy in place and exhibit pro social behaviour which may necessarily not be derived from rationality in all cases but it does when other members of their species are endangered. www.livescience.com/amp/24802-animals-have-morals-book.html This suggests a human like morality derived from cognition and pro social behaviour not merely motivated by a reward system. Also, www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/wildlife/5373379/Animals-can-tell-right-from-wrong.html And the fact that you refer to scriptures for proof in itself is enough to refute your suspicion, as scriptures have proven to be an untrustworthy source of information because of the inconsistencies of their claims and illogical/improbable narration of events at many instances.
@ec6211
@ec6211 4 жыл бұрын
@Deferential Introspector What does that have to do with the authenticity of the information and claims that they supposedly make? Edit: I do not have to read each and every religious text out there and refute it personally to prove that morality is independent of a conscious creator. Also you're clearly not qualified on the subject of evolution to disregard my proofs by making rookie arguments as above. Also, the word you're looking for is Differential and not Deferential as it would make no sense whatsoever in the context that you're using it, just like your arguments.
@ec6211
@ec6211 4 жыл бұрын
@NewAtheismExposition Again, you keep blabbering and circling around one stupid point which is to disprove your religious texts i.e quran, which has been done many times including by ex muslims, so I am not going to waste time on that. Unless you have empirical evidence for existence of God, this debate is a waste of time. And respectful self observator makes no sense either.
@ec6211
@ec6211 4 жыл бұрын
@NewAtheismExposition And if atheistic morals are subjective then why does islam promotes the practice of taqqiya but then asks muslims to be faithful to allah? Also why does islam have death penalty as a punishment if killing is immoral? Or is killing moral in islam? And again you seemed to have changed your name to something silly.
@ilhem7532
@ilhem7532 4 жыл бұрын
@@ec6211 Read this book: THE DIVINE REALITY by Hamza Andreas tzortzis to understand what Muslims believe
@jrwsaranac
@jrwsaranac 4 жыл бұрын
I am a vegan now, thanks you. Your arguments for both ethics and climate change are sublimely persuasive.
@Trylica
@Trylica 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for switching 🌱
@CosmicSkeptic
@CosmicSkeptic 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much - keep it up, you're doing the right thing.
@BernardoMarquesIdeia
@BernardoMarquesIdeia 4 жыл бұрын
@@CosmicSkeptic probably
@BernardoMarquesIdeia
@BernardoMarquesIdeia 4 жыл бұрын
@Austin Martín Hernández what? Dude...
@michaelmagdy6647
@michaelmagdy6647 4 жыл бұрын
@Austin Martín Hernández 3 vegetables? *Legumes, grains, nuts, seeds, fruits and all the vegetables other than the 3 you're familiar with joined the chat.*
@ApexHerbivore
@ApexHerbivore 4 жыл бұрын
I hear he's appearing in this year's global giant strawman championships.
@moatasemkassab4517
@moatasemkassab4517 3 жыл бұрын
He's a connoisseur in strawman fallacies.
@cekroz
@cekroz 4 жыл бұрын
Nappa: "Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his Straw Man Level?" Vegeta (breaks the scouter): "IT'S OVER 9000 !"
@Divya7434
@Divya7434 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for speaking up for the animals, Alex. I can’t thank you enough! So glad that you exist
@phoney2627
@phoney2627 4 жыл бұрын
I think that caring about animals and other people as an atheist is more moral that caring about animals and other people as a christian or as a member of some other religion. Atheists aren't doing it because some higher power told them to.
@OneEyeShadow
@OneEyeShadow 4 жыл бұрын
Let's be real, neither are the religious people.
@bigbananae
@bigbananae 4 жыл бұрын
Kudos to you for being calm even after that, I would've been so pissed.
@Lolavs
@Lolavs 4 жыл бұрын
Goddamn you're good at this.
@hendricklamar5061
@hendricklamar5061 4 жыл бұрын
That ending got me laughing even if I'm still pretty hangover cause of last night 😂😂 Alex, you are awesome! Keep up the fine work you do, cause it really helps people seeing the world as it is.
@cobrasys
@cobrasys 3 жыл бұрын
LMFAO Alex, the reaction at the end to the "literally a lamppost" comment was fucking gold. I wish I could like this video twice, because that reaction deserved its own one.
@testpattern23
@testpattern23 4 жыл бұрын
I would also like to give you a kudos, I'm a bit older at 45, but my father at age 80, gave me that first skeptic nudge....matter of fact both my parents gave me free choice to believe whatever made sense to me. Was never pressured or coerced. Think I had it good. Parenting done right.
@theokrisna
@theokrisna 4 жыл бұрын
so jealous of you
@rickc2102
@rickc2102 4 жыл бұрын
You were very fortunate. I got half fortunate, a rationalist father and education, an irrational and religious everything else.
@GavTatu
@GavTatu 4 жыл бұрын
"The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or pictures." (See al-Sharh al-Mumti', 2/198)..... and thats the level of intelligence we have to deal with.
@tdsdave
@tdsdave 4 жыл бұрын
Level of morality -sex slavery Sahih Muslim Volume 8, 3371: Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and *took captive some excellent Arab women* ; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So *we decided to have sexual intercourse with them* but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born
@notaurusexcretus4471
@notaurusexcretus4471 4 жыл бұрын
Great another reason to own a dog and pictures
@noradlark167
@noradlark167 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think this is told by Muslims. ould that make me immortal, as "Azrail", reaper of Islam, is an angel? Put pictures all over the World and death would be no more?
@drkim4077
@drkim4077 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao I laughed so hard 😂👏
@ezra4th166
@ezra4th166 4 жыл бұрын
@@noradlark167 yeah throw their sound logic right back at em lmao
@jahbones1072
@jahbones1072 4 жыл бұрын
You're such a great voice for our community, Alex. I love the way you communicate logical ideas; it seems a bit weird and kind of disconnected but watching your videos has given me a completely different perspective on life, and my mental health has improved drastically because everything makes a lot more sense to me now. When I first came across your channel I was a Catholic on the verge of leaving the religion, and you played a massive part in making that a finality. I'm bisexual and I was so incredibly ashamed of myself. My entire life was a mess because I wasnt sure what to think of anything; the doctrine was so contradictory and yet I felt ashamed for questioning it. When I came across your videos, I started thinking a lot more logically, and I dont think I've ever had such a sound mental state. The way you explain yourself is so friendly to people who arent quite in the same mindset yet and frankly, I'm so grateful for that, because if it werent that way I might still be struggling terribly in my own mess of a psyche. I'm also vegan now; I'm not quite sure to explain it, but it feels so great to feel right, haha. Thank you.
@Mar.1634
@Mar.1634 4 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that the most empathetic, caring and intelligent people I met are always non religious. Talk about irony.
@zapkvr
@zapkvr 4 жыл бұрын
Not irony.
@stambo1983
@stambo1983 4 жыл бұрын
@@taranmellacheruvu2504 Every pedofile I have ever met was a Christian priest. Anecdotes are typically misleading, including mine.
@darannison
@darannison 4 жыл бұрын
Taran Mellacheruvu criticizes OP for using a small sample size then uses a sample size of one. Now that’s irony.
@asscheeks3212
@asscheeks3212 4 жыл бұрын
llriv damn that’s... that actually a fair good point.
@jackdaniels9179
@jackdaniels9179 4 жыл бұрын
@@taranmellacheruvu2504 it's still a small sample size and anecdotal. I've spoken with thousands of Christians and find them to be very hypocritical and much worse than their secular counterparts. My sample size is nothing compared to the 7 billion people on the planet but the thing is the only way to not be a hypocrite and to not be morally bankrupt is to not be a Christian. If you read the Bible you know that it literally commands this of you.
@pmakiie262
@pmakiie262 4 жыл бұрын
I've learned a lot from you, thanks! In addition, you're the "first mover" who threw me into the deep ocean of philosophy ^~^
@thatguyrich9822
@thatguyrich9822 3 жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist. I care about animals because I share this planet with them.
@alexsummers1843
@alexsummers1843 4 жыл бұрын
Seeing the notification for your videos makes me smile so much.
@shoresofpatmos
@shoresofpatmos 4 жыл бұрын
indeeeeedyyy
@vali69
@vali69 4 жыл бұрын
Smol brain: fIrSt Big brain: happy new years Cosmic brain: comment about the video and subject
@Khyrid
@Khyrid 4 жыл бұрын
Multiverse Brain: Reply to somebody's comment and offer no real substance.
@liberalaco829
@liberalaco829 4 жыл бұрын
(Za) World brain: make a joke about the person's profile picture
@hexa1905
@hexa1905 4 жыл бұрын
fun fact: our bigs brains comes by with your ancestor eating animals and becoming smart predator.
@KattReen
@KattReen 4 жыл бұрын
@@hexa1905 Too bad it wasn't passed on to you
@hexa1905
@hexa1905 4 жыл бұрын
@@KattReen i feel so offenced bro not cool.
@johnmcclelland649
@johnmcclelland649 4 жыл бұрын
Alex, I had such a laugh at your stunned silence! Great video, young man. Keep going.
@nickman9639
@nickman9639 4 жыл бұрын
You and Mic the Vegan have convinced me to be vegan for the past 9 months.
@mayganphynix8267
@mayganphynix8267 4 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Dickman keep it up👏
@falcongamer58
@falcongamer58 4 жыл бұрын
Just avoid the soy
@nickman9639
@nickman9639 4 жыл бұрын
FalconGamer58 Why?
@burrhe
@burrhe 4 жыл бұрын
@@nickman9639 because it's too gosh darn tasty, you'll only want to eat soy. Then you won't get enough vitamins etc. True story...
@Sundaydish1
@Sundaydish1 4 жыл бұрын
I hate to be the one to point this out but you are human. Humans are omnivores. You are where you are BECAUSE we consumed the proteins, vitamins and minerals inherent in animals. Veganism to me seems more about virtue signalling than anything else. If you need to be convinced to do something you are doing it for the wrong reason.
@nowwhatdayisitagain
@nowwhatdayisitagain 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the talks that you do! Rather than closing off ones mind, talks like these allow us to expand our minds and never stop asking questions! Keep up the great work!
@Shlooomth
@Shlooomth 4 жыл бұрын
After listening to that guy talk for thirty seconds I can gues with 80% accuracy what he’s going to say next, or at least the sentiment he’s going for. Which is to find one little flaw in a position and claim the whole person is wrong about everything. How original.
@LouisGedo
@LouisGedo 4 жыл бұрын
We're literally lamp posts THO
@Wearephuct-O
@Wearephuct-O 4 жыл бұрын
Lamp Post Logic Destroys Facts And Stuff Every Time
@LouisGedo
@LouisGedo 4 жыл бұрын
@@Wearephuct-O LOL
@d6wave
@d6wave 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂 . wtf! self-kick .
@dooterscoots2901
@dooterscoots2901 4 жыл бұрын
Well the burden of proof would need to be on meat eaters because animals are naturally alive until we slaughter them for consumption. So he doesn't need justification just needs to show that meat eaters don't have a good one. Coming from a meat eater.
@nitehawk86
@nitehawk86 4 жыл бұрын
You are a lamp post because you light up my life.
@harrytaylormusicproductions
@harrytaylormusicproductions 4 жыл бұрын
Do more videos of this - this is meaningful. I’ve been vegan for two years with my wife
@zapkvr
@zapkvr 4 жыл бұрын
So you haven't eaten her for how long?
@harrytaylormusicproductions
@harrytaylormusicproductions 4 жыл бұрын
Grunthos The Flatulent ?
@harrytaylormusicproductions
@harrytaylormusicproductions 4 жыл бұрын
vječnazima thank you !👊
@tomteaser2517
@tomteaser2517 4 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that Alex can change his mild. We should all be able to do this regardless of the negative Consequences.
@atanoscatchmore7635
@atanoscatchmore7635 4 жыл бұрын
Ever since I've experienced that my emotional drives change depending on my logical moral and ethic views, I think that these emotional drives just don't bear enough consitency to really play a large role in moral considerations. For me, going vegan (as example) was a logical, moral decision, and only afterwards did my emotional drives change. I could then, about half a year after I cut out animal products, only feel disgust and sadness when I saw meat.
@ZenKloom
@ZenKloom 4 жыл бұрын
I think morality is rooted in empathy, and the ability to understand that, just like I myself don't want to experience pain, then others don't want to experience pain either. And when I can see that the reaction of others to pain is similar to my own, that is, the constant attempt to avoid it, I can understand that nobody wants to experience it. So based on my empathy, I will act to try and minimize the suffering I cause others, or eliminate it completely if possible.
@Shhbehdjdjs
@Shhbehdjdjs 9 ай бұрын
So why don't animals have empathy?
@lordawesometony2764
@lordawesometony2764 4 жыл бұрын
Europeans to Native Americans: “I’m asking for you to adopt a useful and practical system of moral rules...”
@DavidSiciliano2100
@DavidSiciliano2100 4 жыл бұрын
Nice Marxist way of thinking nerd.
@lordawesometony2764
@lordawesometony2764 4 жыл бұрын
@Davi Cirillo I’m not Marxist at all, just think deeper. What religion does is the indoctrination of people to uphold specific moral values as if it were deriving from objective morality. This happens even outside of religion, it needs to happen in a functional society. But the atheist becomes inconsistent and contradicting when they think they can acknowledge true objective morality. The atheist needs to bite the bullet and always go back to morality being subjective without the discovery of a true objective morality.
@Gringo7213
@Gringo7213 4 жыл бұрын
@@lordawesometony2764 That would depend on how you define morality.
@lordawesometony2764
@lordawesometony2764 4 жыл бұрын
@Gringo7213 exactly, that is a major issue. Since humans are blind to any true objective morality, then what else should define our morality? Should we strive for what is best and more functional in a society?
@Gringo7213
@Gringo7213 4 жыл бұрын
@@lordawesometony2764 nope if morality is defined, then depending on that definition there can indeed be objective morality. The definition may be subjective, but once defined certain actions are objectively moral based on that definition. So for instance if morality is defined as obeying the will of god, then any action that obeys that will is by definition moral. If however it is defined as reducing harm and increasing happiness (or something along those lines) then certain actions that would be moral in the god system would be immoral in the reducing harm an increasing happiness system.
@BONETOASTER1111
@BONETOASTER1111 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Alex, I’ve been a vegetarian for about 5 years now and I can’t thank you enough for coming out with these videos! Having had to repeat myself over and over again for years, explaining to people that I am both a vegetarian for moral reasons, and am not hateful towards meat-eaters, only their practices, has become super exhausting. Now I can show people your talks for a great synopsis of my points as well as really cool new ones that make me agree with myself even more! Just thanks a bunch.
@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος
@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος 4 жыл бұрын
Would it not make sense to go vegan if you're vegetarian for ethical reasons? Knowing about the egg and dairy industries, nothing ethical happens there
@christophersterling836
@christophersterling836 4 жыл бұрын
@PaleDale Whats wrong with animal products?
@christophersterling836
@christophersterling836 4 жыл бұрын
@PaleDale How do you feel about animal maneuver? Its a very necessary product because without it most soil would be infertile. And you still it for harvesting plants. And yes animals still suffer in this process, so what solution do you have for this?
@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος
@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος 4 жыл бұрын
@@christophersterling836 there is no need for animal manure. Veganic farming exists.
@christophersterling836
@christophersterling836 4 жыл бұрын
@@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος So I just read an article about this veganic farming. Making fertilizers from plant waste sounds so inefficient. But to my surpise, the fertilizers are supplements with human urine and "humanure". Forget all my concerns with this practise,(esstenially farmers are pissing on the plants to make it grow, and somehow collecting these from where?), it still sounds impractical. If everybody in the world turned vegan, this would turn badly really quickly.
@NeyoBearGaming
@NeyoBearGaming 4 жыл бұрын
That ending is perfect. Thank you for respecting your audience enough to not respond to that.
@Metabrowser
@Metabrowser 4 жыл бұрын
Hi y'all! Your hesitant silence at the end of the video made me shed tears of laughter. Love your videos and the way you explain your toughts. I wish love and happiness to y'all for this new year. Cheers!
@bennyob01
@bennyob01 4 жыл бұрын
As an atheist and a vegan, I have to disagree 😂
@michaelmagdy6647
@michaelmagdy6647 4 жыл бұрын
Veganism is much more convincing for atheists than it's for religious people, their deity didn't promise them any good for having mercy upon animals so there's nothing for them in it.
@Ploskkky
@Ploskkky 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmagdy6647 Not just that, but their invisible, magical, fantasy friend very often specifically demands animal sacrifice. The smell of burning flesh pleases the deity.
@sportsfails4998
@sportsfails4998 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Magdy and many religions have the flawed concept that humans are exceptional beings separated from other animals because they were created in the image of god, and non-human animals weren’t and therefore have no value.
@thehighroad3774
@thehighroad3774 4 жыл бұрын
I am a vegan, non religious, non atheist. Universal consiousness and reincarnating souls is a sound reason for veganism and non atheism. 😊 Not god, but definitely eternally spiritual.
@Koz6336
@Koz6336 4 жыл бұрын
@@thehighroad3774 a sound reason, huh? Do you have any evidence that supports a "universal consciousness" and the reincarnation of souls or that a soul even exists?
@spacecadetkatie286
@spacecadetkatie286 4 жыл бұрын
Haven’t even watched it yet, but I already know this is going to be great!
@spacecadetkatie286
@spacecadetkatie286 4 жыл бұрын
The Rod-Or, we call that seeing trends in past experiences and using that to make predictions of what the future will most likely be like...
@gocrazy432
@gocrazy432 4 жыл бұрын
@The Rod I think you mean confirmation as in confirming new beliefs with nothing but that fact that it doesn't counter old beliefs and fits in nicely with them. This appears to more accurately be called induction.
@bigkirbyhj666
@bigkirbyhj666 4 жыл бұрын
"The animal must be alive before being slaughtred." That was so fluffing redundant.
@student7259
@student7259 4 жыл бұрын
You could slit open a dead animal, I think he meant to ‘cut open’.
@alfonshatlaf5126
@alfonshatlaf5126 4 жыл бұрын
18.54 "Jeah, we are 'just' atoms and molecules, but why should that matter?" hehe :p
@youssefdarwich1085
@youssefdarwich1085 4 жыл бұрын
alfons hatlaf hehehe :p
@charliebubbles9501
@charliebubbles9501 4 жыл бұрын
Never ceases to amaze me how many theistic types seem to be suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect. 🙄
@sanmigueltv
@sanmigueltv 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I’m a little tired of hearing that I have no moral accountability because I don’t have a god.
@JCW7100
@JCW7100 4 жыл бұрын
Love your channel Alex! Keep up the great content! :)
@Trylica
@Trylica 4 жыл бұрын
Tables dont have brains/nervous systems 🤷‍♀️
@marieblackbird89
@marieblackbird89 4 жыл бұрын
@Aaron Heych So does a heart, so does a fruit
@nullarc977
@nullarc977 4 жыл бұрын
You’re buying furniture at the wrong store.
@zapkvr
@zapkvr 4 жыл бұрын
Not in this universe
@gocrazy432
@gocrazy432 4 жыл бұрын
@Aaron Heych It appears irrelevant and like a poisoning of the well. Like bringing up plant sentience when discussing animal rights.
@WhyPhi
@WhyPhi 4 жыл бұрын
#vegetablerights wood tables used to be trees and they deserve to live! What were we talking about?
@helixklinge7631
@helixklinge7631 4 жыл бұрын
EpistemiX: We're literally lamp Posts Alex: Aight, imma head out
@TheDhammaHub
@TheDhammaHub 4 жыл бұрын
It's not the belief in god that matters, it's the "belief" in consequences. If you do not think that your immoral deeds will have bad consequences, you can convince yourself that killing and torturing is fine. The emphasize is on CAN. If you believe in an afterlife where your deeds are judged, it should (at least in theory) disincentive immoral behavior.
@misticulandrei2234
@misticulandrei2234 4 жыл бұрын
Apologetic youtuber : makes a response video Alex : ' I'm about to end this man's whole career "
@d6wave
@d6wave 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂 . adevarat yo .
@zapkvr
@zapkvr 4 жыл бұрын
@The Rod morality is that which confers an evolutionary advantage.
@mohammaditani228
@mohammaditani228 4 жыл бұрын
@The Rod lol I see asses kicked everywhere
@mohammaditani228
@mohammaditani228 4 жыл бұрын
@@zapkvr how homosexuality has 'evolutionary advantages'?
@mohammaditani228
@mohammaditani228 4 жыл бұрын
@@zapkvr why a psychiatrist was able to change sexual orientation of 200 people and then to get his study banned and couldn't continue his research before it was legalized?
@jonasfermefors
@jonasfermefors 4 жыл бұрын
I kinda love you for thinking you can get him to understand your nuances. I was also shouting about Halal just before you came back and said it better than I could have. As always: Kudos good work
@theodorejay1046
@theodorejay1046 4 жыл бұрын
Morality isn't confined to people with religion. In many cases like the Crusades & Spanish Inquisition it means the lack of morality.
@snowflakemelter1172
@snowflakemelter1172 4 жыл бұрын
The crusades were a counter attack to the Muslim invasion of the Christian lands and religious sites.
@theodorejay1046
@theodorejay1046 4 жыл бұрын
@@snowflakemelter1172 .... Many innocent people were killed in the name of God. So no not moral what so ever but a power play
@DavoidJohnson
@DavoidJohnson 4 жыл бұрын
People often get loud and agitated when trying to defend a thoroughly debunked religion. I used to behave like that when I was less mature.
@niccolomachiavelli8734
@niccolomachiavelli8734 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a theist but I still like the honesty and ideas you bring to the table. We need to have this type of conversation more often!
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Any thoughts on James 3:15 and Corinthians 2;14, by the way?
@niccolomachiavelli8734
@niccolomachiavelli8734 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrissonofpear1384 I'm sorry for the tardy response. The verses in question demonstrate the difference between wise men and men pretending to be wise. Scriptural wisdom isn’t just someone that can communicate or even think particularly well but instead someone who lives and acts well. Of course, speaking and thinking well are elements of wisdom, but it is taught that the most important part of being wise is in how we live and act.
@Enigmatic_Lurker
@Enigmatic_Lurker 4 жыл бұрын
I always get annoyed when this line of questioning comes up in relation to atheism. It seems pretty obvious that our evolutionary path is the source of our empathy, and human values that we tend to associate with morality. Evolving in family groups, requiring close knit ties in order to survive, and as a result, caring about the well being of those around you as an extension of your own well being. Of course we grew out of the early days of humanity, and into a more philosophical, poetic species that focuses, and cares about the "why" more than our base instincts. For example, it might make you feel better to punch a coworker in the face if they ate your lunch from the fridge. However, the odds are incredibly high that any bystander will respond with the question of "Why would you do that?!" Sure you might feel better, but it's an irrational response to the situation. It doesn't help you in any way, nor does it benefit anyone else around you, so in the end it would be an unnecessary, and unreasonable response to the situation. Our basic instincts, are a blend of self preservation, defending our flocks out of self interest and learned attachments, as well as us vs them responses. Now that we are a more developed people, who have the ability to distinguish base instincts against better judgment, we have the ability to problem solve, and ask "Why? Why would I do that action, and would it be beneficial to myself or those around me, or is it simply an impulse without justifiable cause? And if I were to do that, how would it effect the interactions of myself, and those around me? How would I feel if someone took this action out on _me_ or one of _my_ loved ones?" I feel like explaining these basic concepts might come across as cold, but it's simply the most straight forward explanation I can think of when I'm asked something like this. My understanding is as follows: "Atheists are capable of holding, and following moral beliefs because it is a basic, fundamental response to problem solving. If I were to hurt someone around me, it wouldn't be much different than shooting myself in the foot. All I would be accomplishing is creating a hindrance for myself, and the people I rely on, who rely on me in return. You also wouldn't shoot someone else in the foot, because the thought of having it happen to you elicits a negative response. You wouldn't like it, and more likely than not you might even retaliate as a response. Ergo, hindering someone else, will more likely than not, come back to hurt you as well. So in the end, it would be better to apply a more diplomatic response in most cases, than it would be to shoot yourself in the foot."
@merbst
@merbst 4 жыл бұрын
Capitalism works against the continued evolution of morality.
@thomasf.9717
@thomasf.9717 4 жыл бұрын
@@merbst can you elaborate on your statement?
@orunimaislam8256
@orunimaislam8256 4 жыл бұрын
you’re my role model 🤩
@braden_m
@braden_m 4 жыл бұрын
Haha that was definitely the best ending to a CosmicSkeptic video I’ve seen yet。
@yoonji-m2389
@yoonji-m2389 4 жыл бұрын
Sometimes I think the religious honestly see non believer's as heartless monsters because we take a scientific/factual approach instead of an emotional one....
@PittsburghSonido
@PittsburghSonido 4 жыл бұрын
Believe you me, as an atheist, I am deeply emotional to my big kitty. :)
@phuck8627
@phuck8627 4 жыл бұрын
it's just because they have a hard time understanding right and wrong
@HotaraTakeo
@HotaraTakeo 4 жыл бұрын
True. I found that religious scientists(rare few ) tend to be more tolerant but also more grounded in their beliefs.
@ieronim272
@ieronim272 4 жыл бұрын
I really wish you posted more often.
@AV57
@AV57 4 жыл бұрын
When I read religious texts, I see a lot of attempts to justify animal exploitation and asserting humans as a superior being. It seems that the animal rights debate has been going on for thousands of years and religious texts were one of the most insidious ways of trying to win the debate. When theists pull out their ancient texts to try and legitimize their opposition animal rights, I just see that as a lazy excuse to do the wrong thing.
@eminem2
@eminem2 4 жыл бұрын
My summary: Alex smart, others stupid
@seandoyle5301
@seandoyle5301 4 жыл бұрын
Its thanks to this channel that I began thinking about the food I eat. Cutting meat from my diet is part of my new years resolution and maybe one day I'll go Vegan. Don't give up on defending the rights of living creatures, human or animal alike
@subjectnamehere3023
@subjectnamehere3023 4 жыл бұрын
You might find Veganuary useful, they send emails with recipes and advice on how to cut out animal products during January. uk.veganuary.com/
@LouisGedo
@LouisGedo 4 жыл бұрын
Many people have found this presentation inspiring: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2bLeIR6gdWld5o
@xxx1x47x41x3
@xxx1x47x41x3 4 жыл бұрын
Happy new year! Thanks for the new vid!
@ScottM1973
@ScottM1973 4 жыл бұрын
I'm vegan and atheist and saying that's a contradiction is the dumbest thing ever. I suffer, animals suffer. I don't need a God to tell me to care in order to recognise this! I think *if* you need a God to _care_ then there's something wrong with you! Animals seek to maximise their pleasure and through empathy and from my privileged position of being human and protected from being killed and eaten I feel it's wrong to enslave, harm, kill, and eat animals.
@Scalpaxos
@Scalpaxos 4 жыл бұрын
18:55 "We are just atoms and molecules, why should that matter?" Pun intended?
@steviebee227
@steviebee227 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Alex. Love the way you debate and articulate . From a fellow lamppost
@neoepicurean3772
@neoepicurean3772 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Alex, happy new year! I'm just about to apply for the MSt in practical ethics at Oxford. I really really want to get in. Any tips for the application?
@DD-d6d3
@DD-d6d3 4 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your application!
@harikishan5158
@harikishan5158 3 жыл бұрын
Of all the people there are,a devout muslim should be the last person telling us how animal suffering actually hurts them.
@nerdherd7138
@nerdherd7138 4 жыл бұрын
As an atheist i have to admit its impossible to argue morality when it is soooo subjective from person to person. U have to accept that we have a certain idea of what we BELIEVE is wrong but someone who disagrees in essence has the same argument. Hes basically saying here he has no answer but an assumption that u can follow to a certain point.
@randomguy1221
@randomguy1221 4 жыл бұрын
Let the stach grow Alex!
@solentbum
@solentbum 4 жыл бұрын
I'm quite happy being a mere Lamppost.
@galmando1984
@galmando1984 4 жыл бұрын
That sign off. Just perfect. I actually felt myself mustering the same feelings to his last point. Good stuff. And because of you I've taken the leap and stopped being ignorant to animal slaughter. Not completely there, only vegetarian, it's been 35 years coming so it has to be a start right? Hopefully it helps make a difference in the end and be a voice for those without one. Thank you for this
@mattressmccabe1686
@mattressmccabe1686 4 жыл бұрын
Remember when atheists would sacrifice a sheep or cow on an alter?
@Ascend777
@Ascend777 4 жыл бұрын
Gee, I guess we just need an authority to threaten us with divine retribution in order for us to care about animals. (sarcasm)
@OneEyeShadow
@OneEyeShadow 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't work with people, why should it work with animals?
@l-schm
@l-schm 4 жыл бұрын
another banger! thank you for your amazing work
@sowietdoge6259
@sowietdoge6259 4 жыл бұрын
I justify my caring for animals by my inherent empathy for sentient beings. There, done.
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 4 жыл бұрын
And saying angels or dinns ever become suicidal is arrived at via...?
@sowietdoge6259
@sowietdoge6259 4 жыл бұрын
@rehecked Explain how axioms are arbitrary, and so explain how subjective morality is arbitrary.
@ApexHerbivore
@ApexHerbivore 4 жыл бұрын
"Literally a lamppost. Literally." He's so clever. You think he means figuratively but actually the two 'literally's cancel themselves out. Checkmate!
@parmida5722
@parmida5722 4 жыл бұрын
I know this is off topic, but you have such pretty eyes, CosmicSkeptic. :D I also love listening to what you say. Keep it up!
@student7259
@student7259 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t listen to him, do yourself a favour.
@parmida5722
@parmida5722 4 жыл бұрын
@@student7259 How about you do everyone a favor and stop being a dickhead? You don't see us coming into your mosques and telling you not to listen to your priests, do you?
@ericsbuds
@ericsbuds 4 жыл бұрын
why not? animals have central nervous systems. they are alive. why the hell would i not care about animals? i dont really care about a rock because it can't feel, although sometimes i can even feel bad for a rock.
@Alberts_Stuff
@Alberts_Stuff 4 жыл бұрын
This should have 'Roast' in the title 😂
@DrAskildsen
@DrAskildsen 4 жыл бұрын
You have a very balanced view on things, I really admire that.
@publiusovidius7386
@publiusovidius7386 4 жыл бұрын
It looks like the crazy theist has removed his video.
@tacos394
@tacos394 4 жыл бұрын
Yay
@GavTatu
@GavTatu 4 жыл бұрын
i have just commented on it.
@Kate-Does
@Kate-Does 4 жыл бұрын
Muslim. He's a Muslim. Name it.
@mariaradulovic3203
@mariaradulovic3203 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. It's still there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4G7moqcha9kZrc
@justadude420
@justadude420 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kate-Does your hate is hot... Just saying.
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