Atheists Scramble to Deny THESE Obvious Proofs for God

[@RussellAubrey-q5o]

It's good to have you on our side.

[@pictureel5863]

Martyn always has a strong and compelling way of making the complex issues in life understandable. God bless him.

[@BindyCleaver]

You are so blessed Martin to be able to speak the way you do. Pre jump I could articulate with a fairly high degree of. ...( enter flash word here ).....now I cant. I seek words and then lose them as I write them So frustrating . But I still enjoy hearing you dance with words

[@Cambo72]

Lying in my bed at 4:30 a.m. waiting for my hotel 5 star complimentary breakfast in Athens Greece on my way to ikaria via Spokane WA, this pops up. Brilliant man, clearly an instrument of the Lords' will. Praise be to our Heavenly Father Hallelujah to the Lamb of God Blessed is the Holy Spirit Hosanna!!!

[@johanweakley2658]

Hope you had a safe trip brother. Blessings in Jesus' name.

[@stevepierce6467]

God has certainly blessed some more than others...

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Which God is meant.... that is denied, also? The Romans 1:20 one (under Glass Darkly) or - the 2 Corinthians 4:4, one?

[@stevepierce6467]

@@chrissonofpear1384 When we remember that the authorities (Irenaeus, Athanasius, the bishops convened by Constantine) could not even come to an agreement on exactly who and what god was at the time of the council at Nicaea, and even afterward they still did not agree, no wonder our ideas are confused. Since humans created god(s), there were as many concepts as there were opinionated priests and bishops. They can't all be right, and there is a great chance they are all wrong.

[@johnpro2847]

indeed..also could be just a coincidence..amen ps enjoy your trip. bon voyage.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

I'll leave the gospel here: How do you get to hell? Very simple: claim that you're innocent. How do you get to heaven? Very simple: Admit that you're not Innocent, you're guilty and ask for mercy. How to know if you're guilty or not? Simply: Compare your life to the Ten Commandments God gave you in the Bible. Everyone agrees that if people followed the ten commandments there would be no need for governments or police. Do not lie. Do not steal. Do not commit adultery. Do not insult God by using his name as a cuss word. There are six more but let's just leave it at that. How many lies have you told in your life? Have you ever taken anything that didn't belong to you? Jesus said, if you look at a women lustfully you've already committed adultery in your heart with that woman. How many times a day do you do that? Do you use God's name as a cuss word? Would you do that with your own mother's name? If you answer these questions honestly you know that you're guilty. God can justly punish you and send you to hell. Ask him for mercy. His name is Jesus. It's as simple as this, The Ten Commandments are called the moral law. You and I broke God's laws. Jesus paid the fine. The fine is death. Ezekiel 18:20 - "The soul who sins shall die." That's why Jesus had to die on the cross for our sins. This is why God is able to give us Mercy. Option A. You die for your own sins. Option B. Ask for mercy and accept that Jesus died on the cross for you. ❤ **Honest questions are welcome.** )(

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

Erase the connecting sentence structure from these 4 verses. Romans 1:18-21 - "revealed from heaven" "who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth" "what can be known about God is plain to them" "God has shown it to them" "have been clearly perceived" "they are without excuse" "they knew God" "they became futile in their thinking" "their foolish hearts were darkened"

[@joybell3692]

Ray Comfort - Living Waters. Has many great KZbin’s.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

@@joybell3692 ❤️

[@grateful3300]

Did you leave out “Do not murder” because god is one of the greatest mass murderers of all time?

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559]

@@grateful3300 So, what is the penalty for breaking the 6th commandment? The answer to this question is quite telling. 😉

[@chrispaige8880]

It takes incredible "intelligence" and years of "education" to look at the universe & dismiss it as random chance. In no other aspect of human existence would we look at anything even 1/2 so complex & consider "chance" a reasonable explanation. You don't find a cake in the kitchen & think it's the result of chance; you recognize that somebody baked it; so how can even the simplest one cell organisms have been chance? They can't - clearly a random cake is far, far more probable than the cell, but only the later is a random event? It's beyond illogical; it's a willful refusal to admit the obvious.

[@CrypticHowl]

That's the thing: it's not a lack of evidence that makes the Atheist deny God, it's their lack of humility and willingness to submit to the creator. Sin.

[@paveljancik1287]

It is a spiritual matter, not a matter of logic. The Word of God is plain on this topic, we are without excuse but also without any chance to see... We are dependent on God the Father to open our eyes to His Son, Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world and us, I even tried to read the Word of God but failed to take it in until my eyes were open, from outside, by God.

[@kayleneemery8217]

Me too ##

[@petraravn5421]

Sadly, your failure (or wilful refusal) to understand evolution is not evidence of gods.

[@paveljancik1287]

​@@petraravn5421 It is written: The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” I was once like that... Over ten years of my university studies gave me five university degrees, but are no match for the revelation of God.

[@hazeltaylor182]

Thank you Martyn. So clear & beautifully said. From a regular listener in NZ formally UK. May God Bless & Keep you 🙏 from a G Gran who Prays & Trusts in the Lord God.

[@Alien1375]

The part about the "proofs" start at 13:55

[@IgnoranceBegetsConfidence]

Hahhahajjahajahajha you little shit. I was scrolling to check. Cuz I would love to get to the evidence part. Only to realize ... Yes indeed you are correct

[@Robert.S..]

I'm always taken aback and saddened at how proud and intellectually dishonest people are about the creation of our world and the universe. Science shows you can't create something from nothing nor can you create organic matter from inorganic matter. Yet, these hypotheses stand as the most plausible belief of non-believers that their is no God. I can't help to be sadden for them knowing that one day, they will all stand before God and have to give an account for every word, action, and thought they ever had or done during their life. And how after judgment they will beg weep and plead for another chance, and it will be too late for them. So, for the intellectually honest, I challenge you to ask yourself, "WHAT IF?". What if God is real, and am I really willing to pay the price of eternal hell for denying him? Believers, pray for the lost. God bless.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Are you willing to answer some straightforward questions concerning your comment?

[@bobkelly3944]

Totally agree with your comment... "Right Now Counts Forever".

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Apparently not.

[@luish1498]

What if god is real, but not your god are you really willing to pay the price of eternal hell for denying him? What if god is not real.

[@stevepierce6467]

There is no intellectual honesty in "what if." That is simply wishful thinking. What if I beat this drum 3 times and that skyscraper collapses? Am I god? You can plug any nonsense into a "what if" question and get whatever answer you want.

[@caroliner2029]

Beautiful! Thank you Martyn. The driftwood beach chair in the middle of a gorgeous nowhere is a memorable image. "Who did this and where are they?" is exactly the first response that I had too. The Lord God of Israel bless and strengthen you.🇦🇺

[@Cambo72]

Hosanna!!!

[@weeb9332]

Very interesting and thought provoking presentation.

[@georg7120]

Not understanding something is not a proof.

[@grateful3300]

If it was I might be the smartest man in the world

[@nataliebritton8602]

@@grateful3300😅😂🤣😉

[@lynnm.2019]

14 minutes of Spectacular Martyn! Thank you Lord, and thank you for your servant! (After reading some comments, it does appear some think this is too simple a revelation for their intellect, but some, I'd venture to say most, need simple 😉)

[@roxanaswart4917]

Thank you for this truth God's truth 🙏🏻 from South Africa

[@IgnoranceBegetsConfidence]

The Ignorance of believers. Ask the truth telling holy spirit to reveal the meaning of a piece of scripture. A verse that's not popular or discussed regularly. Now ask 2 others in your church to do the same. Write down word for word what the holy spirit reveals to you since it cannot lie it cannot differ in its answer. Compare notes. If you find a comma out of place. Well. You and your falsehood can go fly a kite. You will have to defer and make up excuse to why you won't get the same interpretation. Now I ask you how do you have knowledge of the your excuse to be the truthful reason. Again you would have to make up some excuse. Now I suggest to you to ask 2 other people in your circle of religion to also answer the question of why the holy spirit (that doesn't lie) wouldn't reveal the exact same interpretation of the exact same scripture. now you will see that you all are just making it up as you go along. the fact that you would read this and know this would make for a good example to test if there is some truth to your religion and by choosing not to do it. that's should be enough evedince for you that you are not interested in truth. you are just interested in believing in your dogma. Christians don't give a flying fuck about truth. now go ahead attack what I've said, do any and everything to prove to me that you care more about this cult than the truth - with love from the UK - ex South African. Ek haat stupid mense wat fokol omgee oor die waarheid. Not saying u r. Just making a statement.

[@justusbroeksma2426]

Brilliant talk ❤

[@RunTwoWin]

I never miss an opportunity to throw out a Petra song when presented so here the three "voice" we don't hear is spoken of in the song by Petra Called "Voice in the Wind"

[@johangouws8855]

Thank you Martyn, so well spoken, such true words. To God be the glory.

[@oldtimerlee8820]

Thank you. Beautiful illustration, at the end, that does, indeed point back to Genesis 1:1. I've often asked "Who pulled the trigger to start the Big Bang?". God Bless.

[@Tinesthia]

Do you also ask who started the rain? Or do you recognize that moisture in the air naturally condenses. Now recognize that just as we once did not know why rain happened, we don’t currently know why our universe happened, but as with everything else in the universe we do have evidenced natural explanations for, the odds are the Big Bang has one too.

[@IgnoranceBegetsConfidence]

Oh my F g.... I can just assert that the expanse of the universe is the uncaused cause. Which negates a god. And by doing this I am assuming 1 thing less than what you are. Why not ask what caused god? Oh his timeless spaceless. Well so was the singularity right before the universe expanded and formed time. Just because you don't know or don't understand ...saying there 4 god is just intellectually lazy and dishonest. ... Like demon possession. Lightning earthquakes plagues ... It's all god stuff..or supernatural BS. ... NO it's fucking epileptic attacks ..it's cloud and the ground, or two different parts of a cloud, have different electric charges. The electric charges build up until they are strong enough to overcome the air resistance and create a spark. tectonic plates shifting .. it's bacteria or viruses it's people not washing hands. I mean come the fuck on. If we didn't have science we all would still be living in utter ignorance wake up. Smell the books.

[@davidcattin7006]

If there were truly OBVIOUS PROOFS for a god, we would all have heard about them by now. And, we haven't so...

[@nataliebritton8602]

😂 you are serious aren’t you!!! 🤭 Have you ever heard a “TESTIMONY” 🤨 Look for Moslems who discovered Jesus as Lord & Saviour.. truly inspiring!! Go on, what’s the worst that can happen eh!!? 😉

[@carolroberts8930]

To God be the glory for ALL He has done!!!

[@stevepierce6467]

Can anyone point to a single solitary thing that this often claimed but never demonstrated entity has ever done?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Also. To all the hard work, YHWH did - in the slave trade, blood libel upon Jews - and, the Inquisition...? Hopefully, well documented.

[@williamwalls9768]

At this point all the nonbelievers are just to blinded by their pride,theyll come around, not all of em',but some.

[@izzyplant8428]

Boundless eternal Lord Jesus, THE WORD.

[@johnpro2847]

lack of technical knowledge and personal incredulity is not proof of Clark Kent (Superman) or any other celestial magician. .amen

[@seaknightvirchow8131]

This is so true of materialism, the sand that the epistemology of the atheist is built upon.

[@ThankyouJesus4444]

God bless you Martyn

[@johncipolletti5611]

Boy these religious videos are multiplying faster then their hypocrisy.

[@bladesduncan]

Martin, I thank you for being a true servant of our lord. Bear in mind this is a layman’s perspective. Now onto the reality of God, it is so simplistic that a huge majority of humans over think it and feel that there must be a more complex answer. Plus they can’t or won’t accept such logic. He tells us all the time “I AM” that’s enough to be said about it god has always been and we’ll always be.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Do you have a logical argument that demonstrates this 'God' to be a reality? If so, I'd like to consider it.

[@bladesduncan]

@@Theo_Skeptomai something must be already in existence for anything else to be, therefore one can only come to a conclusion that something greater larger or even outside the known cosmic has created all things. Not then the “bang” evolution or what not, it is not rational to think otherwise. However science will see this and dismiss it as nonsense or “ it’s to easy this can’t be we must find something else ( the god factor). You will either believe or not, that is the wonderful nature of it. I think I’d rather believe in a god that doesn’t exist, then to find out to late that in fact he does. I would be doomed to an eternity of separation from everyone It is not costing anything then maybe my life and we all must pay that eventually. (I hope this has been fun for you friend )

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@@bladesduncan Was that a "yes" or a "no"?

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

@bladesduncan What your presenting is not a logical argument. Do you agree?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Why was any angel designed unhappy, confused, ignorant, or dissatisfied / prone to? Also, He chose to hide. Eve cannot, also entirely be said... to have chosen, for all of us, wittingly.@@bladesduncan

[@princesskanuta3495]

💝💝💝

[@eugenelombard960]

A message from the Bible to all the trolls out there: Jeremiah‬ ‭29 verse 13 KJV‬‬ And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. ❤

[@grateful3300]

I love hide and seek. I was third grade champion in my school (1991)

[@stevepierce6467]

The bible has all sorts of "messages," like how I ought to treat my slaves, and how I should massacre and enslave my enemies. Just because the bible says to do something does not mean we should go out and do it.

[@glennshrom5801]

Hebrews 11:3 is the better Scripture for what is being talked about around minute twelve of the video. When we look at Genesis 1:1, the word for created has more to do with an ordering of a chaotic heavens and earth, that God would later turn into a "creation" by ordering it as described in the rest of Genesis 1:1. See John H. Walton's "Lost World of" books. But yes, the minute 12 answer to the questions brought up in the video are in the Bible: see Hebrews 11:3. What was seen in Genesis, since prior to Genesis 1:1, which God then ordered into a "created heavens and earth", originally had been brought into being by the unseen God.

[@brettchristensen7382]

Denying the obvious is what sets humans apart from animals...and the rest of the universe.

[@lynnm.2019]

Well said Brett! 😊🙌

[@oponentgull186others4]

Correct. Humans are smart enough to realize how we evolved to fit the earth. Well some of us at least. The Christian’s didn’t evolve enough for that sadly.

[@jacqualineweber6335]

Well, we didn’t evolve. Us Christians were created. A cut above you evolved people😜

[@oponentgull186others4]

@jacqualineweber6335 you were created by an intern at best. Considering how terribly the human body was made if it was designed.

[@jacqualineweber6335]

@@oponentgull186others4 I am sure that you would do a better job, right?

[@johnpro2847]

if a god wanted to be found..geez ..how hard could that be.The preferred property is anonymity as shyness and modesty are two of of the properties being displayed..amen

[@henryschmit3340]

No real science or logic supports the idea that everything made itself. Therefore, God.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Who _exactly_ is asserting "everything made itself"?

[@henryschmit3340]

@@Theo_Skeptomai Either everything was made, or it made itself. Those are the only two options. You don't believe in intelligent design or a Creator, therfore you believe everything made itself.

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

Sharp!

[@mrs.c.2408]

And that’s the Truth Of It! In 10. ❤️

[@sharonvandermerwe3034]

Yes and AMEN 🙏🙌🖖

[@CurtisMark777]

Whoever came up with the ten minute format - good job! Hard to hold Martin to 10 minutes ha! You can always add Part 2, 3, 4....

[@thevulture5750]

The word wisdom occurs 234 times in the KJV Bible

[@talon5902]

Individuals assume because of free will and and don't understand the purpose of it and everything depends on how it is used It all comes down to the individual with in you is the truth you exist because of the truth awareness is the key the beginning of discernment, many are in a trance and totally unaware of the truth The way the truth and the life amen

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Your comment is in need of an edit.

[@timmyr345]

You have to start with the premise that the Bible is in any way the word of god, and is absolute truth. The Bible making that claim, doesn’t mean it’s true. Reading the Bible is what convinced me there is no god.

[@JenE3377]

Why did someone make that cake?

[@Dianamquiroz]

Wait....what.....Martyn Iles is not wearing a lapel pin?! Great preaching by the way.

[@barbarasanders7965]

God created matter out of Spirit

[@grateful3300]

Where did this “spirit” come from?

[@stevepierce6467]

That is a totally meaningless sentence.

[@unbelievable-4u]

Great preaching and words, praise the Lord! (he's got great hair too)

[@neville4451]

Incredibly amusing that the pagans call it the God particle🤣 🇦🇺🙋‍♂️🇦🇺

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Ironic, huh?

[@glennhollier7562]

I believe in the big bang. KJV Psalms 33:8-9 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast. And Peter was inspired that the real big bang is coming at Jesus soon return. So be ye ready. KJV 2 Peter 3:10-12 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? KJV 2 Peter 3:13-14 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

[@jt2097]

People who seek God find God. God is not having people who have to be convinced that God's way, obedience to His laws of love, His 10 commandments, is the best way, back to eternal life with Him in heaven. God only wants those who seek Him and who want to live law abiding lives with Him. You do not get to know God by denying His existence, you only get to know God by seeking Him and wanting to be with Him. People who continue to want the knowledge of good and evil will not be allowed in heaven, there is no room for evil in heaven.

[@lukeschmidt696]

Genuine comment @jt2097. Please remember though that Jesus said that he is the only way - John 14.6. Yes, we aim to be obedient because we love our Father, but our own obiedience does not/cannot save us. Only our acceptance of Jesus as our Lord and Saviour can. God bless you.

[@jt2097]

@@lukeschmidt696 When you are seeking God the first place you must look is at Jesus Christ. "When you have seen me you have seen the Father." Jesus Christ is the only way. Keeping all the laws, obeying all the Commandments, will not save you but if anyone thinks they have been redeemed from death through Jesus Christ yet they still kill, steal, lie, bow down to graven images etc. They are just fooling themselves. James 1:22 “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”

[@peterxuereb9884]

Actually, so does all of protestantism struggle with it, if it does not, then how does one explain 50000+ protestant denominations, each one contradicting the other on Dogma, Doctrine, Faith, Morals, and Theology. Please show me where is truth in all these contradictions, where is the guidance, by the Holy Ghost who can only lead you to the truth, if all there is, is contradictions.

[@jacqualineweber6335]

Easily explained by man's propensity to try to bend words of truth to fit what they would like them to mean rather than taking them at their face value.

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

It already says that in the bible that there are lots of false religuobs/distractions.

[@peterxuereb9884]

@BigBrotherwillwatchyou That is correct it does say that in the Bible about false religions. But the Catholic Church is not one of them since the Catholic Church which began with, by, and from the Apostles who were inspired and instructed by Jesus Christ, was and still is in possession of the manuscripts which became the Canon of the Bible.

[@KarenLott-h1m]

So glad I found your preaching again Martyn. Lost track of you after the conversion therapy laws in Aus.

[@kerrye2953]

Thank You Lord, for using Your anointed servant Martyn Iles so mightily!

[@matthewaislabie7354]

Water is the Word

[@ericwheaton5120]

He says the Bible "asserts God", but he should say the Bible "reveals God"

[@jimmunro2136]

Well, I'll be...and the Nobel prize goes to Iles😅😂😅😂

[@Kevin-sp7wp]

And always will 10:36

[@reidveryan9414]

Romans 1 rings true. It always comes down to either worshiping the Creator or the creation.

[@davidcattin7006]

Why are you in the U.S.?

[@ArnHavens]

Greetings from Colorado, May God richly bless you, brothers and sister's ✝️🙏

[@IgnoranceBegetsConfidence]

Another ignorant person. I will do nothing for you as you have the internet at your fingertips and ignorance is no excuse

[@kurtk8926]

Amazing. ❤

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

A lot of words, which could be shortened to a very few. "I don't know how this happened, therefore god did it." That is the sum total of the argument. It is a slight variation of the "argument from incredulity".

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

WHAT exactly has been created?

[@raymoss706]

Have you read the Bhagavad Gita? It asserts Brahma created the universe, in much greater detail than Genesis. Any "obvious proof" of Yahweh you can come up with, you can use to prove the existence of Brahma, Kukulcan, Viracocha, and so forth and so on. You have to do much, much better than just going back to the Bible, kalam/prime mover and watchmaker as proof of anything, because I can go to the Vedas, the Popol Vuh, etc to proof the existence of the other universe creators; and they all have their prophets, miracles, prophesies, and whatnot. No scramble needed.

[@ulrichkuhlmann5459]

Any "obvious proof" of Yahweh you can come up with, you can use to prove the existence of Brahma, Kukulcan, Viracoch..? Not so? The resurrection of the body of Christ!

[@raymoss706]

@@ulrichkuhlmann5459 That's not an argument, that is a statement, but anyway, you believe Jesus resurrected because the Bible says so. Just one example, the Mahabarata, a holy Hindu book, says Krishna resurrected. Same argument, "my holy book says so". There are more similarities between Yahweh/Jesus and Vishnu/Krishna, btw... and the accounts of the latter are much older than the former.

[@jacqualineweber6335]

But Jesus resurrected for a sublime and extremely important purpose. There are ancient texts that agree with the Bible that there were very many witnesses to His ascension back into the heavens. I have read the Mahabarata, and it cannot be compared to the Bible and certainly does not answer the questions we all need answered, nor does it give us a cogent reason for the evil in this world. There is more ancient evidence for the dating of the Bible than for the Mahabarata, and the Mahabarata gives no prophecies that project thousands of years into the future like the Bible. Many have already been fulfilled throughout our history, and the remaining will also be fulfilled. However, it won't be pretty for you, or anyone else that fights the God of creation when the final prophecies come to pass. May God through His eternal grace in Jesus Christ bring you to faith in Christ before those days....@@raymoss706

[@raymoss706]

@@jacqualineweber6335 So did Krishna. And there are ancient texts that agree with the Mahabharata too. And Hinduism has its own prophesies too. If you'd actually read the Mahabharata and the books of the Vedas, you'll see striking similarities with the Bible, and given that they are older than the Bible by centuries, it begs the question, did the people who wrote the books of the Bible copied the Hindu sacred books?. And actually, when you start learning about other religions and deities, much older than Judaism, you'd see that the story of Jesus is an amalgamation of other stories: crucifixion, sacrifice for humankind, walking on water, virgin birth, making food appear, resurrection, etc...

[@jacqualineweber6335]

@@raymoss706 I found the Mahabharata to be chaotic and a tad ludicrous. It seemed to me to simply be an effort to ascribe to the gods all of the attributes of human struggle. It frustrated and confused me. The Bible, on the other hand, gave me clarity, wisdom, and the necessary(for me) distinction between God and man. It makes sense to me that our creator must needs be somewhat mysterious and way above the problems of mankind. I cannot listen to any so called god who is not superior to humanity in every way. How could those types of gods guide me or help me to grow?

[@gregjones2217]

There is no credible proof of any god anywhere at any time.

[@intentionally-blank]

What would constitute proof to you?

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@intentionally-blank Something demonstrable and verifiable. Better to say it would be evidence, though.

[@intentionally-blank]

@@WhiteScorpio2 Did you watch the vid? What wasn't evidentiary for you to investigate further? What will happen to you when you die?

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@intentionally-blank "What wasn't evidentiary for you" Saying "It's obvious" is not evidentiary. "What will happen to you when you die?" The most likely scenario? My heart will stop, thus there would be no oxygen flow to my brain, after which I will expirience the loss of conciousness and my brain will die, making it unable to support any further cognitive functions. My body will be put in a coffin and buried in a grave. Why do you ask? You didn't know any of that?

[@intentionally-blank]

@@WhiteScorpio2 I take that as Martyn's personal response to natural observances. The passage from Genesis 1:1 is a bold statement as he put's it, an assertion. That stands in contrast to those that can observe and not be compelled to further investigate. I understand that myself as there was a time I had no care, no thoughts, about the creator. I ask about the end for you because beyond the natural realm you don't merely cease "to be". Life beyond death has a continuation whether you perceive it or not. Have you investigated scripture explains about what happens in the supernatural realm when one dies?

[@sysprogmanadhoc2785]

No god has made themselves known to every human that ever lived. Thus, it is impossible that there exists a god that is both omnipotent and desirous of a relationship with all humans. QED

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

He has, to his children when he causes them to be born again. Problem with me was that I was blind before that, like everyone else before God quickens them.

[@blackukulele]

May I offer the point of view that God does not exist (emerge from something else), but God IS.

[@Elohimists]

Do not throw your pearls before swine. No one can understand the scriptures unless God opens their mind. Luke 24:44,45 Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.” Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

[@richardgregory3684]

So god is failing or refusing to open the minds of billions of people, resulting in their being tortured forever in hell. For, err, reasons.

[@Elohimists]

@@richardgregory3684 Genesis 6:5,6 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart. John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way the truth and life. No one can approach the Father except through Me. John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father grants permission. John 6:63-65 The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. However, there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him.) Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.” From that time on many of His disciples turned back and no longer walked with Him. John 6:66

[@sarahbell4344]

Amen amen.

[@sadetec]

1:30 - Of course the Bible claims that God exists, in the same way that Spider-Man comics claim Spider-Man exists. And within the narrative of any Marvel comic it is plain, and clear, and obvious, that Spider-Man does indeed exist. The issue is whether there's reason to believe Spider-Man exists outside of what the comics tell us. 4:20 - Thales was an ancient Greek philosopher. The Greeks believed in multiple gods, which begs the question, even if we suppose that some type of gods are required for the universe to exist, how do we know *which* gods? Which religion? In the time of Thales it would have been Zeus, Apollo, Hera, Athena, Ares, etc. For the Romans it was Mars, Minerva, Venus, Juno, etc. The Scandinavians would claim Odin, Thor, Freyr, Loki, etc. The Egyptians, the Aztecs, and so on, and so on, and so on -- each culture with their own gods. But which of them is real, and which merely myth? And why is one god real, and the others just fictional? Who decides? Thales didn't have the advantage of knowing about modern Quantum Mechanics, so his view of the universe was (quite understandably) based on the cause-and-effect Newtonian model. But below the surface, at the quantum level, time works in ways very alien to how we (at the Newtonian level) experience it, and things do indeed pop in and out of existence uncaused. Order and unity *do* come from chaos. The order and unity of a cup of coffee -- the fact that it predictably behaves like a hot brown liquid with a given taste -- hides the reality of the vast amounts of chaotic particles that make up its substance; the so-called Brownian motion. Single chaotic events are unpredictable, but large amounts of chaos creates patterns that have statistically predictability. There are entire industries, such as gambling, insurance, pensions, etc., that make their profit by aggregating large amounts of the chaos. An insurer cannot predict the future by knowing specifically who will have their car stolen in any given year, but by insuring large numbers of people they can build up models that allow them to predict the percentage of car thefts overall. So they can still make a profit, even though their business is based on the chaos and uncertainty of life. 10:50 - In the same way that "the big bang" wasn't actually a bang of any sort, the "god particle" isn't really anything to do with the divine. It's just a jokey name, not to be taken too literally. 11:15 - The problem really is that using god or gods as an answer doesn't really answer the question either. Pointing at things and saying "God made it" isn't really an answer, because it invites the obvious question: so who made God then? And religions have never really been able to come up with a satisfactory answer to the "who made the gods" question... Some may respond "god is necessary, so we don't ask where he came from" -- but then why do we need gods if that is the answer? Why not say "the universe is necessary, so we don't ask where it came from"..? If your answer is that there MUST be a necessary 'first', then why not just make the universe the necessary 'first', and dispense with gods. (Occam's razor.) Some try to respond with "god is timeless, so questions about his origin are irrelevant" -- but if God is outside of time then he cannot act in ways that require time. He cannot create a universe, because the action of creation requires time -- a before, and an after. So if God is indeed timeless, then he cannot affect change in any way, because change can only happen across time. If God is timeless, then the universe has to also be timeless, because a timeless God is incapable of action and so is incapable of creating. And of course the fallback answer is "the nature of God is too mysterious for us to understand", which is the ultimate cop out. You might as well wave your hands in mysterious ways and claim it was done by magic and pixie dust. Thanks for posting the video.

[@jacqualineweber6335]

God spoke to us through the Bible. He tells us all about our human nature, and nothing, from anywhere does a better job of it. Biblical truths/characters/ historical information are corroborated all of the time, up until today by archaelogical artefacts, ancient historical texts, and discoveries of science. Your sophisticated attempt at dissing the God of the Bible, explains nothing and answers none of the big questions as well as one simple verse of the Bible.

[@grateful3300]

⁠​⁠@@jacqualineweber6335Harry Potter talked to me through a book as well, yet I can’t do magic. If your bible is so full of truths why are we watching idiots try to prove/disprove god on youtube?

[@stevepierce6467]

@@jacqualineweber6335 As in any work of fiction, there are factual parts which can be corroborated. However there is no evidence anywhere outside of the bible for any of its supernatural claims

[@uyvonnemartian7614]

Remember when they detected a drop of water on a planet....they called it life!!😂😂😂😂

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

To whom are you referring when you mention "they"?

[@stevepierce6467]

I think that if you look at things without your religious blinders on, you will see that they said, "Water, a necessary ingredient for life, so life is theoretically a past or present possibility."

[@aidanya1336]

So the arguments made are: 1) A book says a thing therefor god... 2) I don't know how stuff started moving, therefor god... Man, do i have to scramble to deny these powerful arguments.....

[@simonsayswebdesign]

Look around the world and see order, and see that it speaks of a creator. There are so many simple examples that clearly speak of a designer, and eye being one of them, the building blocks of life themselves are unable to form themselves, a scientist can't make them in prebiotic conditions. Certainly Science can't prove no God, therefore be open to one that would reveal Himself. You would believe a book from a scientist? Can they speak truth? Then why not another book. God bless.

[@luish1498]

@@simonsayswebdesign ignorance is not a good argument for »creation»

[@jettruth]

✝️

[@georg7120]

Where is the proof?

[@voiceofreason162]

Atheist Pack (Science Speaks).

[@luish1498]

@@voiceofreason162 Where is the proof?

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

You could start by watching the video to hear your proof.

[@rubiks6]

Very good. God is obvious.

[@grateful3300]

Except that the bible got soooooo much wrong. Science has disproven the bible on so many things that “god is obvious” is all that religious folk have left.

[@rubiks6]

@@grateful3300 "Science" hasn't disproven anything written in the Bible. _Some_ scien *_tists_* have ideas that disagree with the Bible. You look at things all around you and you can tell what is designed. There is usually little doubt. Cars and computers and Mt. Rushmore and the Eiffel Tower are all designed. You look at the universe with its perfectly fine-tuned physical and chemical laws and you suddenly get stupid and can't see design. You look at our extraordinary planet in this extraordinary solar system clearly designed for life but you suddenly get stupid and can't see design. You look at life made of cells filled with nano-machines and are like cities in their complexities and workings and again, you suddenly get stupid and can't see design. God is obvious. You call yourself "grateful." To whom are you grateful?

[@feedingravens]

@@rubiks6 How obediently you recite the "Look at the trees" argument. It is true, science does not know the ultimate reason for the Big Bang expansion event. But from a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second AFTER the Big Bang, the universal laws of physics we use to describe nature can describe the universe. Billions of christians have no issue with Big Bang and Evolution and have no need to believe that the Bible MUST be literally true to believe in Jesus. It is US Creationists that made it a mandatory precondition, or nothing made sense, and that without believing that all would turn instantly into monsters raping and killing at random Yes, there are some basic rules (physical laws) that are the basis of this universe's existence. The universe is vast, billions of light years across, science can not tell, how big exactly, science is not sure. Would it be for Bible literalists, we would not know more about the universe than it is lights in the sky. Most of this vast universe is uninhabitable. Even most places on the earth are (or at least were) uninhabitable for humans. Christians believe that the reason for creation is solely to create a place for humans to survive, and is only interested in them and nothing else of his creation. After all, as he was discontent with his people, he had no issue to kill all landlife on earth he had created to teach the remaining 8 a lesson. And strangely, the descendants of these 8 that spread around the barren earth without life resumed all the cultures that God had destroyed BECAUSE of their culture. We know nothing about God having ANY other interests about his creation than us humans. So even from a christian standpoint this whole universe is a giant waste of space and time - that the people 2000 years ago, when the Bible was written, did not know about. In the meantime we have found all kinds of organic molecules in space - that means they are forming naturally. You can say God created the elements to form us out of them - or you can say that life is created from the most frequent elements that existed in the universe, hydrogen, oxygen, carbon and nitrogen. You say life looks designed - because you are told to. You are told not to look what is actually said. That "evolution" is NOT a random process. It is a natural process, a simple consequence of the properties of the universe. Not more is needed (when you want, you can assign the creation of these rules to some entity - but more than the rules is not required). Nothing in the universe is exactly the same, Everything varies, and everything is constantly changing. When an atom is instable (like radioactive elements), then they are decaying. When the planets in a solar system do not have a stable orbit, they either fall into the sun or are flung out into space. Life is constructed to adapt to its outer environment. A certain variation (of the existing state) is a MUST for life to survive, only so it can "conquer" new environments, or can "react" on changing environments. If it couldn't life would have died out long ago. No creationist would ever tell you about that evolution is a regulated cycle, a closed loop, where the "parameters" influence each other in a way that they stay (mostly) in certain confines. And regarding the perfect design - The nerve that controls our larynx goes down from our brain, down our neck, into our check, around the heart's aorta and back up to the throat. That is the case for ALL mammals, for all land animals. Including the giraffe, where that is a giant detour over several meters. Really no genius design. And it makes absolutely no sense that this weird design is taken over for the lifeform that is made in God's image - in the image of a spaceless, timeless, matterless entity. But when you look at the (true or not) lineage of lifeforms, to simpler and simpler lifeforms, down to fish, then you find that this path becomes straighter and straighter - with fish the nerve connection is straight and the aorta is looped around it. So the alternative to perfect divine design is that it all developed step by step - as long as the disadvantages of the "detour" was not too negative in its effects, it was passed on, adapted. There are countless such constructions that make way more sense when you see it as part of this lineage. Or God was the one that copied and copied his original design.. (including as his image...)

[@alanclark639]

Excuse me young man but in a couple of version of the bible I have it clearly states - In the Beginning - there was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. If your book starts several verses after mine - we have a problem - which one will you be quoting from? It's quite obvious to me that which ever one you chose - it was written by some guy back in the Bronze Age - trying to appreciate his ideas is rather like explaining PlayStations and fishfingers to Queen Victoria. All religions take the Creation for granted because they couldn't imagine anything else and it would have been extremely dangerous to gainsay the majority. Thermonuclear fusion is the first thing I think of when looking at stars - if the god of the bible knew everything and was everywhere at the same time - whispering in the earhole of the scribes - I'd expect our sun to be declared a star - not a great lamp. No one of biblical age thought the stars move - only the five visible planets, the sun and moon moved according to them ( the origin of seven being a lucky number) Calling the Higgs - the god particle just goes to show how little you appreciate anything about particle physics! I'm going to leave it there because you're annoying me now.

[@lukeschmidt696]

The scripture you quoted is the first verse of the book of John, not Genesis. It is not the same verse, but adds to it by referenceing Jesus who is the focus of John's book. Perhaps listen again, Ile's did not name it the god particle. The very scientists working on the studty did. Also, I would imagine Ile's has a reasonable laymen's understanding of particle physics, thermal dynamics etc. But to focus on the such theories is to miss the forest for the trees.

[@alanclark3400]

Lukeschmidt696 - begging to differ - l have the giant Victorian Family bible next to me - l've spent quite a few days refurbishing it despite being an atheist - l'd send you a photo if l could but you know how Y.T. reacts to that kind of thing. Btw - as a Horticulturalist and landscaper with 60 years experience - l not only distinguish trees from the woods but can name them in Latin.

[@rolandwatts3218]

Atheist here. Deep, deep down, Martyn knows that he is wrong about atheists but it too prideful to admit to it. Thus he is without excuse. ^^ If believers think the above is silly, then imagine how we atheists feel when Romans 1:20 is used against us. Romans 1:20 is just as silly.

[@intentionally-blank]

Interesting "against us". That passage states you are without excuse. Do you know what that and the surrounding verses ultimately mean?

[@rolandwatts3218]

​@@intentionally-blank As far as I can tell the surrounding verses assert that atheists like myself know that God exists because we know that what we see around us, shows that God exists. But because we are both wicked and fools, we deny God's existence. Given that we know God exists, we are without excuse when we deny it. And it's always been thus. I've had those verses used against me on many occasions. I've seen them used against other people on many occasions. ^^ So what did I get wrong?

[@intentionally-blank]

@@rolandwatts3218 What kind of atheist are you?

[@rolandwatts3218]

@@intentionally-blank I don't think that any Gods or gods exist. I accept that I could be wrong about this, but don't think that I am. From my previous post - so what did I get wrong?

[@intentionally-blank]

@@rolandwatts3218 OK thanks Roland. I think what might be missed is: what does a holy God do with all of this? Scripture states that believing isn't all that is required, but it might be a start. *You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!* James 2:19 Further in Romans it is written: *For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.* Romans 6:23 Have you read about this? People trying to share with you might use single/simple verses rather than all of what scripture teaches. Also we don't always come off as caring about what happens to you after you depart this plane. This isn't a great forum. If you have further interest I might recommend a short video. Shalom!

[@larrycarter3765]

There no proofs.

[@grateful3300]

None

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

There won't be any proof for those determined to dismiss them. 'He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.' John 1

[@paveljancik1287]

It is a spiritual matter, not a matter of logic. The Word of God is plain on this topic, we are without excuse but also without any chance to see... We are dependent on God the Father to open our eyes to His Son, Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world and us, I even tried to read the Word of God but failed to take it in until my eyes were open, from outside, by God.

[@Bill_Garthright]

_"It is a spiritual matter, not a matter of logic"_ Yes - not a matter of logic, not a matter of reason, _certainly_ not a matter of evidence. It's entirely just a matter of wishful-thinking, huh?

[@nicoladibara1936]

@@Bill_Garthright EXCELLENT! You have described the ATHEIST position PERFECTLY. 👏 Oh IRONY.

[@paveljancik1287]

​@@Bill_Garthright Remember, God is better than me or other people who poke fun at you. We at times forget that we were no hopers and lost in the world ourselves... My advice to you is: do not look at us, Christians, look at the author and finisher of our faith - Jesus Christ. You will always find faults in all of us. But no fault in Jesus, my friend.

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@nicoladibara1936 _"You have described the ATHEIST position PERFECTLY."_ Thank you. :) But there _is_ no "atheist position." There's just the lack of belief in a god or gods. It's a _very_ narrow label. Still, if you'd like to discuss this stuff, I'm always interested in having a conversation with intelligent people who disagree with me about religion. The original commenter said it was a "spiritual matter." Do you agree with that? Honestly, I don't know what that even means. How do you tell it apart from wishful-thinking? I ask for evidence, because evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. So, how about one piece of good evidence - just *one,* but specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself - that your god is real, rather than just imaginary? Thanks.

[@paveljancik1287]

​@@Bill_Garthright What happened to your long response I received in an email notification? Did you delete it? Let me just say - Jesus is the God of the Bible. What fault do you find with Him?

[@johnnykilv]

Nothing obvious about God. No evidence of his existence anywhere. He is a man made deity. Invented by man to make excuses for man’s behaviour. Why doesn’t he,show himself to us? It might convince us that he really exists. He doesn’t because he can’t! Because there is no God. Just us with all our flaws looking for something to blame when things go wrong.

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

You think creation created itself?

[@pj_ytmt-123]

Yep, we don't need to prove God's existence to anyone really. God is not a phenomenon but three consubstantial, conscious and intelligent _persons._ "All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him." (Lk. 10:22, Mt. 11:27) There is none other like God (first said in Exodus and again to the prophet Isaiah), who is without beginning or end.

[@Subutai2024]

So an assertion written by ignorant people thousands of years ago is for you the “proof” that a very specific god exists… I call that continuation of such ignorance.

[@Peter-yt7xm]

Sky= Firmament

[@trevornunn3285]

"Look at the trees.....Look at the trees !!!!! " *YAWN*

[@DeconvertedMan]

ah yes, assuming the conclusion. circular reasoning. over and over. Nothing here. Not proof. Just bad arguments.

[@jacqualineweber6335]

Deconverted man, your very name explains your discontent with the reality of creation. Certainly nothing in your reply...

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

There won't ever be enough proof for those determined to dismiss it. You think creation created itself?

[@paulafields3711]

Amen.

[@trulyso734]

Yes! And God continues to hold it all together in His hand since, to this day.. The Lord Jesus Christ is the same HE in power who does this - so the holy bible of God tells us.

[@stevepierce6467]

Bible says so, so it must be true. Great reason!?!

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

​@@stevepierce6467you could also just observe, and notice there's a design in creation and thus someone's created it.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@BigBrotherwillwatchyou I do observe, and so far I see no signs of design. We humans desperately try to see order in the world around us, and see order in anything around us that shows any sort of symmetry or regularity, especially in moments of peace. Clouds which seem like angels from heaven can suddenly turn angry and unpredictable. A majestic mountain (majestic in our eyes, just a big pile of rocks in its own eyes) seems "designed" when we see it, but we completely miss the huge fault inside which will suddenly become a catastrophic avalanche. No real signs of design or of a creator.

[@glennhollier7562]

Napoleon was asked if he believed in God, he looked into the heavens and said, "well someone made the stars"

[@seanrathmakedisciples1508]

The fool in his mind says there is no God and remains a fool forevermore

[@Tinesthia]

And now we know Stars form naturally. The gaps are shrinking.

[@cliftongaither6642]

​@@seanrathmakedisciples1508well , if a fool can figure it out, what does that say about you ?

[@stevepierce6467]

Ah, Napoleon, the great professor of astrophysics!

[@cliftongaither6642]

@@stevepierce6467 HAHAHA 😆 good one

[@geminedenton]

Thank you🙏🏽

[@stevehowland8493]

👍

[@robertandersson68]

Blessings from Sweden 🙏🇸🇪

[@petraravn5421]

Är jorden några tusen år gammal?

[@nicoladibara1936]

@@petraravn5421 Yes.

[@christinevincent6611]

GOD is speaking threw you Martin… great job explaining… 🙏🏻

[@zajnat9747]

I just love it. The word GOD.

[@somerandom3247]

Sorry, what of this speach was supposed to be proof of a god? Seems like you are just assuming that a god exists...

[@davidcattin7006]

God did it. God of the gaps. Sorry, mate, still not convinced. Try again.

[@LeonSemiPro]

Take us back to the dark ages with this rubbish apologetics. When did Ignorance become such a fashion?

[@stevepierce6467]

Americans especially have long had a love affair with ignorance, or more overtly, a disdain for the "elites" who took the time and made the effort to learn stuff in depth.

[@BigBrotherwillwatchyou]

Ignorance is an easy attack especially with zero back up of that claim

[@LeonSemiPro]

@BigBrotherwillwatchyou Are you prepared to actually refute the claim, or just assert that it is baseless? Because I am very happy to take on any YEC theory to show its lack of scientific validity. Whether it's vegetarian TRex, kangaroos on rafts, coral reefs sinking under land, microevolution that mysteriously stops at the point of written history, hydrological processes that separate modern species from fossils... You name it, I will show you the ignorance.

[@jimw7916]

The firmament shows his handywork! .....KJV is the ONLY true translation.

[@stevepierce6467]

What do you mean, translation? Everyone knows that god in heaven speaks Elizabethan English!

[@jimw7916]

@@stevepierce6467 translation from Greek....Einstein! You dont think that theres a MASSIVE difference between "firmament" and "sky" ?

[@stevepierce6467]

@@jimw7916 I have no idea. I was offering a satirical comment regarding so many people's love affair with the KJV.

[@jimw7916]

@@stevepierce6467 what on Earth has satire got to do with what is right and what is wrong? ................. after all, If you dont figure that out before you pass on, you will be extremely sorry.

[@stevepierce6467]

@@jimw7916 I know the difference between right and wrong, and managed to do it with no supernatural intervention. Your lovingly intended christian threats simply do not say anything to me. In fact, to quote an Uruguayan writer I admire, your words scratch a lot, and they scratch very well, but they scratch where I have no itch. I simply chuckle at all the folks who place great credence in the oddly archaic language of the KJV. You have to come to terms with the simple fact that other people believe differently than you do, and that your beliefs, while true for you, are not true for them.

[@Theo_Skeptomai]

Utter nonsense. Those that are incapable of rational thought "find" gods. It's refered to as _imagination._

[@peteverhelst2088]

What did the ancients know? Consider please the second law of thermodynamics. Everything goes from more complexity to less complexity. Each mutation in the genome loses information! Therefore it follows that Adam had a greater natural intellect then Noah or you and I. We think we are so smart with our computers , cell phones and the like, but have you considered that Noah and his counterparts built the ark without minimal directions from God himself. How………? Come-on humble yourselves some

[@melissaphillis7247]

Amen!

[@maxdoubt5219]

If the physical parameters of the universe were even slightly different, black holes couldn't exist. So obviously the universe was designed for black holes.

[@lucianofranciadedeus]

This is a gruesome oversimplification and understatement of the Theleological argument mate.

[@barbarasanders7965]

You have obviously haven't read Isaiah 45 46 Romans 1. You don't know prophecy that have been fulfilled and are being fulfilled now and will be in the future.

[@stevepierce6467]

Verily I say unto thee that a great maelstrom of wind shall smite thy settlement......and lo and behold, weeks later a hurricane/tornado/typhoon struck. Proof of prophecy fulfilled, therefore god.

[@lengraves2556]

Martyn, can you reach out to Dr Jorden Peterson. Who claims he lives as though there is a God but then follows the evolution path to nonsense of intelligent recreation?. Such foolisness. Many follow him and his views.

[@mrshmanckles1463]

That Driftwood chair in the middle of nowhere is a perfect example of how we with faith see God.

[@grateful3300]

Empty?

[@mrshmanckles1463]

I don't fallow your logic hear. What do you mean by "Empty?"@@grateful3300

[@benvanrensburg4261]

"Something does not come from nothing." I agree. Now let's be logically consistent. God or The Gods or The Creator must surely be Something!! Coming from .. ? No, let's leave THAT unexplained. So the unexplained explains everything. "The Heavens reveal the knowledge of God", he says. In the next instant, he talks about God, using pronouns like His and He. Singular. Male. Which only proves, to my mind, that the conclusion is hidden / smuggled into the starting premises even before he opens his mouth. Nice try.

[@grateful3300]

Where did god come from?

[@benvanrensburg4261]

@@grateful3300 He / she didn't. Didn't come from. God didn't come from nothing. He (?) didn't come. He is eternal, they say. My point is that absolutely every thing they say about the eternity of God, and the corresponding superfluousness of asking about his origin, applies in exactly the same way to the universe, or to the totality of existence. Look at the stupendous inconsistency : "The universe could not come from nothing, so it must have had an origin, so you must accept that the Creator(s) exist. The same argument does not apply to the Creator(s), though, because He / she / they don't need an origin." Likewise, it's equally acceptable to postulate that the universe is eternal. That does NOT mean that it "came from nothing." It means that the universe didn't come. Btw, is it not surprising how those scientists who say that the Big Bang was the beginning of the universe are believed unconditionally by the apologists, because it suits their agenda, while they steadfastly ridicule everything that comes from scientists when it does not suit their agenda?

[@thomasabraham8988]

Kudos bro..👍👍👍..