Atheists shouldn't have rights -Fox News

God it was depressing going through all that religious footage!
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[@mememastr6974]

Oh Fox News, if you didn't exist, who would we laugh at?

[@NKRevolution]

Lol true

[@mememastr6974]

+Nomatroll true but fox news is the main one

[@mememastr6974]

yes, but they intentionaly tried to be funny, fox is just stupid in a funny way

[@mememastr6974]

but other than that i see no reason to think fox news is is good, TMZ is the shit along with quick fix

[@mememastr6974]

for real tho

[@sexywildlad]

"...with liberty and justice for all" - except if you are atheist, that is.

[@bogdankoldunenko8430]

+Modus Operandi Man, think on how many more religions are out there that will be rejected twice as bad))) I'm sure most atheists will be left alone if it'll be more profitable for fox news to slur pagans or satanists instead =)

[@holydoggo4822]

our own Pledge of allegiance contradicts what we actually do for our country.

[@BarracudaEz152]

+Modus Operandi or gay

[@philipb2134]

+Modus Operandi I pledge alleviation to the slag of the humongous waste in America; and to the Public the richest scam... our Nation's underdogs -near invisible - with Liberty* and Justice for most.

[@sexywildlad]

Philip B If you've just made that up, that's pretty cool stuff.

[@jamo6079]

Isn't "under God" rather pushing beliefs than simply not getting religion in there?

[@armadilloalien854]

I could not think of a good username the original pledge didn't even have under God in it.

[@godsrevolver9737]

TheScienceNerd100 Honestly dude if you're that sensitive, you shouldn't comment on videos.

[@godsrevolver9737]

TheScienceNerd100 well excuuuuse me. You appear to be exhibiting some bitch-like behavior, so I may have felt the need to help you with your social deficiency. Lol

[@Dakarai_Knight]

runninggames771 actually the US position on the matter is there's no official language. Like going to China town or going to a very heavily Hispanic area most verbal business dealings are in Spanish. I'm Hispanic but I'm not completely fluent yet. Whenever I go to where my family lives and say I go to the market people address me in Spanish instead of English for instance.

[@glennbeck9496]

@TheScienceNerd100 Nope, your overly sensitive dumbass is still wrong. It would only be possible to charge someone with encouraging suicide if you actually killed yourself. And they also can't be "fired" $25,000.

[@davidl3743]

A perfect example of why I give nothing towards religion. A waste of time and money.

[@aturchomicz821]

but they could fund a mars colony

[@wickederebus]

@@aturchomicz821 they could fund a functioning Death Star. And have it start leaving the solar system. Fucking tax breaks. *fund, not find

[@andregon4366]

Imagine learning plumbing, cooking, a second language, or any useful skill instead of wasting time with a fantasy. Nah, it's so much better being a sperg. I became atheist because I saw how retarded those inept idiots were. Last thing I want is to be associated with them.

[@thoughtaddict2739]

@@wickederebus Ah it's so easy that sometimes I think being a pastor would help me out by a lot the only reason I don't bother is, because I actually have morals.

[@wickederebus]

@@thoughtaddict2739 well, if you did become a pastor, you might be able to actually teach morals. Ex. Pick out the best examples in whatever rhe local holy text is, then brush the bad ones under the rug, or explain why the bad ones are bad.

[@tofu_golem]

Once again, everyone is arguing over whether or not the phrase "under God" should be in the loyalty oath, and thus missing the point entirely. The question we should be asking is: "why do we make children chant a loyalty oath in a free country?" If you are arguing about the wording of the loyalty oath, then you are inherently buying into the idea that the loyalty oath should exist and should be recited in a free country. Fuck that.

[@ashleycinnamon6330]

Then people will give you the "well its not mandatory" bs. I don't stand up for it and the looks I get explain why no one else remains sitting.

[@jpgrennan]

amen

[@ashleycinnamon6330]

***** And you think forcing a bunch of kids long before they can even understand what they are doing into pledging themselves to a country they know nothing about is the solution? You think blind nationalism is what will restore us to what you might call our former glory? I take no pride in this country, and yet I do wish to see it and more importantly the world prosper. I know that the path to prosperity is that of being able to see flaws in this nation as well as others and to try to come up with a solution, not simply putting my hand over my heart and reciting lines. Are those lines going to bring back the lives of those who were lost? No. Will they fix this country? No. Will the religious and patriotic mentality they try to jam down our throats create a generation of critical thinkers who wish to take some steps toward the enbetterment of their society? Ha, your above remarks answer that question for me. Wollowing in gratitude for the past does not fix the present. You know what I stand for? Discussion. Action. Because those practices are what fix problems. I, unlike you, know that my oppinions are not inherently right. Therefor it is more than a need for rebellion that makes me take issue with the brainwashing of children with any ideals, even if they were mine.

[@ashleycinnamon6330]

*****​ I also think it's funny that you think myyy generation brought gangs and rap. My generation is still in highschool so that couldn't be possible. Pretty sure it was the generation before mine that brought about rap, though there are those my age who enjoy it. And gangs? Those were around when my grandpa was a kid... or are we forgetting the prohibition? Well of course we are, after all things were perfect back in those days hm? And isn't chest pounding arrogance more in line with those who climb the flag pole as you do to sing "I'm pround to be an American", building this country up to be so much more than it actually is? Those who scream "FREEDOM" as if we are the only 'free' country out there? The pledge itself is wracked with lies anyways. One nation under God, when one of the ideas we were founded upon is the separation of church and state. Indivisable, when we are literally one of the most devided countrys in the world, with our laws changing from state to state and a variety of divisions between opinion, a whole chunk of the country failed to and now Texas recently attempting to secede? With liberty and justice for all... that's truly the kicker there. Where was the Japanese Americans' liberty and justice during your precious WWII? And more recently, where is the justice for those who suffered from crimes of policemen who were never charged? Now now, liberty and justice for ALL is a tall and impossible order. We can't garuntee that even when we follow all proper precausions. Sometimes murderers and rapists get away with it even after standing in court. But then i must wonder why they put that promise there, next to two other falsehoods of faith and indivisability. If you're going to cram patriotism into my classroom, at least don't make it a patriotism that fails to descibe that for which it stands.

[@greggor07]

***** Are you trying to emulate Donald Trump? My father's generation? Have you slept through the last 14 years? This generation you belittle has been bleeding and dying in the wars all over the world for a decade and a half you moron! And the kicker is; there's no draft anymore. Your father's generation had no freaking choice but to serve.

[@adammada511]

0:57 The irony meter exploded here

[@therealdevonroth]

I wish Hitchens was still alive to put that bimbo in her place. "So what if you're offended? Being offended isn't an argument."

[@turkeyherder9456]

+Devon Roth Phelan She sounds so fucking pampered and annoying while asking why they should be catered to. Fuck your feelings bitch. That's like saying that I should be allowed to coerce you into reciting "One nation under Allah."

[@therealdevonroth]

+Turkey Herder exactly! But people like her are too stupid to argue with. Perfect example of Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@pettercranston4158]

First I thought that she was on our side(the atheists).

[@turkeyherder9456]

2consider The title of the segment is on that same shot in the Fox news broadcast. They are clearly arguing about the pledge of allegiance and specifically the under God bit. Would you complain if the pledge said "under Satan"? Would you type the following statement for me? "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under Satan, with liberty and justice for all."

[@Diddyshaow]

Church and State are supposed to be separate. Yet America does not enforce this.

[@alvincay100]

+John Roger Bell You are not interpreting separation of Church and State correctly. All that "separation of church and state" was intended to mean was that the state cannot have an official religion. And by that they meant a particular branch of Christianity, like the Church of England. It was implicitly assumed that Christianity would be everywhere in society and would influence the state.

[@Diddyshaow]

Calvin Smith That sounds exactly what the Republican party is but Ok, if you say so. You know in many other democratic countries, faith, religion and God does not come up in political speeches every day right? And why are state clerks not doing their job because of their "faith." You interpret things differently than me because if people's faith is how they choose to argue about Abortion, Marriage and other social issues it is a PROBLEM. Has no place in the argument to begin with.

[@Diddyshaow]

Calvin Smith Reason being that their faith only represents other Christians and disregards all other religions or lack of religions as less important. I'm confused as to how people do not understand this. If you are to represent the largest demographic of people, then social and economic issues are the ones that should matter most. Religion can only divide and people like to think it brings people together. It only brings LIKE MINDED INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER.

[@alvincay100]

John Roger Bell "You interpret things differently than me because if people's faith is how they choose to argue about Abortion, Marriage and other social issues it is a PROBLEM. Has no place in the argument to begin with. " Unfortunately, until we can find a way to read minds, you can't filter out votes on whether religion was part of the decision process. Anyways, morality is arbitrary in many ways and much of what everyone believes in that regard comes without rigorous justification passed down through generations. Religious beliefs, while obscured by supernatural justification, are often derived from a natural selection like process that gives validity to it's moral view point. Abortion and marriage are great examples of topics that can be debated for or against without religion ever entering the conversation.

[@alvincay100]

John Roger Bell "Religion can only divide and people like to think it brings people together. It only brings LIKE MINDED INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER. " Agreed. But like minded individuals coming together can form a community which can get more done than individuals. So again, while religion is total bullshit in some sense, it can provide utility to society.

[@MerlinAmbrosius17]

Christofascists have absolutely no grounds to call anyone else small-minded.

[@Kenpachi0Sephiroth0]

"In the old testament Harry Potter would have been put to DEATH" Hmmm what would she think about these verses: Corinthians 14: 34-35 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. Timothy 2: 11-13 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Fun times with the bible

[@Kenpachi0Sephiroth0]

***** Valid point. If they don't mention them it might be because perhaps they assumed that the vile creatures who are descendant of the one who disobeyed God himself are women, who by the original sin, are already predisposed by nature to sin and thus do things as witchcraft which in their delusional minds is connected to the devil. However I think they corrected their methods once the lovely Inquisition came in... I think they burned women and men alike as to promote their Christian love and give everyone the opportunity to feel it.

[@Kenpachi0Sephiroth0]

***** Sorry, didn't mean it like that. I meant like "If they actually don't mention them on the bible" but I wasn't sure if they did or didn't mention it soo yeah, didn't it mean it like :S lol

[@verilyheld]

***** There was originally no mention of witches in the Bible. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live' comes from the King James version of the Bible. Older Bibles, sources closer to the time of Christ have it as "thou shalt not suffer a well-poisoner to live."

[@liviajohn123]

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If two Israelite men get into a fight and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man, you must cut off her hand. Show her no pity. Deu 25:12 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this. Deuteronomy 22:5 When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening." Leviticus 15:19-23 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 1 Corinthians 11:16 let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law, and if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for woman to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

[@MaeNotEast]

leungchaan You don't have to be an atheist to consider both the inquisition and the witch hunts fucked up. lol

[@leonardogomez4874]

I'm 11 heard old and I don't believe in god. My parents said I'm too young to say that and that I should wait for a few more years and read the bible. So I'm too young to deny god, but not too young to accept god. That's christianity in a nutshell for ya.

[@leonardogomez4874]

11 years old*** how df did i put "heard"...

[@r.pizzamonkey7379]

+Leonardo Gomez the bible contradicts itself alot, and it actually says there are many gods but you're just supposed to worship the one.

[@flitter5400]

+R. pizzamonkey Wait when does it say that what verse?

[@r.pizzamonkey7379]

***** Exodus 12, 12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the *gods* of Egypt. I am the Lord" In addition, "Thou shall have no other gods before me" implying that, while there are other gods, you simply have to worship 'the lord' over any other. Not even saying that you can't worship them, just that 'the lord' is more important.

[@flitter5400]

R. pizzamonkey Hmmm i am not sure about that, I think that is reading into it a little too much still interesting.

[@Kaiser_Kenny]

I liked to say the pledge louder than everyone else, then just not say the god part.

[@silicalnz3008]

The title of my countries' anthem is "God Defend New Zealand" fml -_-

[@cobo1678]

We don't have have to do anything where I'm from. No pledge, no national anthem.

[@boiledtaters5880]

+SilicalNZ God save the queen, bloody tradition.

[@MariaS-nx4hu]

+Neil America sounds like a very controlling country! It's such a beautiful country but has such a bad name for NUMEROUS reasons. Thankfully I live in England and if you don't go to a catholic or Christian school then you don't have to do any prayer or pledge. The only time we've been asked to pray was when a priest came in and started bible bashing and I refused to pray as I don't believe there is a god.

[@CarlosRios1]

Cyber I like to not even stand up, why should I pledge allegiance to some country other than my own?

[@nick8745]

I love being atheist

[@chizkin3799]

Doggo Doggo as do i

[@agecom324]

Me to

[@themelancholia]

Doggo Doggo Atheistic*

[@Empathicveteran]

I'm not an Atheist but you sound a cool dude. Someone who thinks like I do. Question everything.

[@sirushay4398]

Your awesome!

[@MegaJoojee]

0:06 that hing those kids are doing? does americans really do that? like every day? for real? that reminds me of something that would be done in north korea or something.

[@StenjaEN]

I'm just saying, but "Choose to Participate" is utter bull. Sure, some may permit you to. But not all. During my senior year of High School, I was sent to the office and almost expelled. You want to know why that happened? Because a substitute teacher wanted to MAKE everyone do the "pledge." I refused, saying that forcing me to say anything or as much as pretend to say anything involving a God or religion in general violates my rights. I got sent to the office and had to threaten a lawsuit to even get it down as low as 3 days of T.E. (Transitional Education. Basically, In School Detention.). Only reason I even agreed to that was because I knew she was supposed to be subbing my class the rest of the week anyhow, so I'd rather be in a room by myself than have that one class each day with the bitch for a week.

[@StenjaEN]

Our country isn't free. Far from it. And as long as religion stays on top like it is, our "Freedom" as people will never be safe.

[@StenjaEN]

Mike Corleone They technically labeled it as "Insubordination." But I'm in the middle of the Bible belt bro. I spent the majority of my Junior and Senior years alike being told I was going to Hell by people I didn't know and who had no business talking to me. If you think that this country isn't biased, you're most certainly mistaken. Discrimination to Atheists is a huge problem. And do I look like I give a fuck what our founding fathers "built this country on"? Shit, man, we practically fucking stole the entire piece of land. Sure, some was bought. But the majority was not. And what our country was founded on has nothing to do with the law or what is morally right. If we used the logic of things staying the way they are because that's how they've been, we would still have a slavery issue protected by the "law." And when the law says something that the people "in charge" don't agree with, they tend to not give a shit. Had I taken it to court, I honestly doubt it would have even ruled in my favor. As for other countries, they aren't the fucking issue. And in every case, I would take a bullet before I would claim to believe in a God of any sort. And their government may kill them for not believing the same way, but our own citizens outcast us and history has shown that they're not afraid to kill us either.

[@StenjaEN]

You, for an example, may be respectful. And, if I ignore any hateful comments you say as said in the heat of the moment and do the same for any I may have said, then I would like to say that I respect your beliefs. I don't know where you live, but, in Alabama, Christians tend to be the attackers. At one point I was Christian. I gave it a try because it is the most common thing here to be Christian and, like any impressionable young kid, I wanted to fit in. However, when I grew up, I realized that I didn't have to believe what everyone else does just because everyone else did. I never made statements along the lines of "People who don't believe in God are crazy people that should be hung", or the Atheist equivalent, unlike my fellow classmates. But I chose not to believe in a God. And that made me a target for hate speech. That's not the way things should be.

[@Tsimosh]

Mike Corleone The founding fathers didn't build America on a religious base of any sort, you are a blatant liar. “The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams OWNED BITCH!!!

[@darkshadowsx5949]

She contradicted herself and didn't realize it... "using your children in pawns for your own ideas and views and forcing it upon one another. its small minded." (insert nuclear face palm here.) if she really believes in freedom of religion and not forcing views on one another. making the currency neutral by removing the sentence and every law made in religious view would be a step forward in proving that...

[@87lancerguy]

+DarkShadowsX5 That's exactly why this video is here. To show how big of hypocrites creationists can be.

[@DeadXofRevolutions]

Exactly, she's forcing HER beliefs on us...

[@darkshadowsx5949]

i don't watch the crappy show so i wouldn't know. lol

[@xxxAnaconda69]

2consider I don't watch it either but my friend watches all the time, so sometimes I have no choice. He only watches cause he thinks the woman with the black hair is hot!

[@jordanharrison8769]

I literally thought she was arguing FOR removing “under God” from the pledge. Lol her argument was exactly mine until she said “why should they get catered to”

[@cameronmcallister7606]

The very fact that you have to pledge your faith to America daily staggers me... no wonder you're all massive nationalists if you are taught from a young age that 'Murica is the best at everything.

[@Aeroldoth3]

Propaganda at its finest.

[@cameronmcallister7606]

Aeroldoth3 At its most blatent, yes.

[@cameronmcallister7606]

Marcus Taber I was too general, but the majority of you are idiots who seem to think that 'Murica is the best country, and that 'Murica is the solution to everything, demonstrating this fact daily when educating their children about America and its enemies as opposed to anything else. Most Americans probably couldn't even pass a geography exam in most other 1st world countries, but in America, it's all about states (as far as I am aware, mind)

[@numberpirate]

Well I agree with you there for the most part. Yes there are quite a few troglodytes in this country. But keep in mind every time a European meets an intelligent American, they do not go around telling everyone that all americans are smart. They do so whenever they hear a stupid one because there own nationalism is kicking in. And regarding your geography exam comment, how would you feel if you were from Vermont and half of Americans can't even identify it as a state? Now you know how I feel, although things have changed since Bernie Sanders opened his mouth. One other thing, remember the UK and US have each other's backs, and even if the US wouldn't act in the self defense of the UK, a ton of people in the US would. I am british by ancestry and still consider myself british. I know a lot of people who think the same. Cheers!!

[@Aeroldoth3]

Marcus Taber *But keep in mind every time a European meets an intelligent American, they do not go around telling everyone that all americans are smart.* Here's a Truth I've learned: When someone from my group does something bad, I condemn the individual. When someone from your group does something bad, I condemn the group. *how would you feel if you were from Vermont and half of Americans can't even identify it as a state?* I remember a story of a guy trying to book a ticket to Vermont, and the girl had trouble finding it in the system. After much repetition from the guy she finally exploded, "look, I'm not stupid or anything, I just need to know what state Vermont is in!"

[@hdh7365]

there saying we are trying to push our beliefs on our kids wow just wow

[@roder51]

How dare atheists brainwash our kids by telling them that Christians can't brainwash them!!!

[@sorry542]

what...

[@Darkfreed0m]

Praise KeK

[@hdh7365]

Where's the Freedom? Hiel the great king of kek trump pepe

[@tenacious645]

You believe logic and evidence should dictate credibility. How dare you push that on to children.

[@FreedomOfTħought]

I love that last line. _the only difference between a Christian and an atheist is that we've gone just one religion further_ That's the reality of it. Yet most religious people do not even see people of different denominations as different in terms of belief. Probably because they don't even understand their own religion to begin with.

[@Thindorama]

+Stew I think it's called cognitive dissonance. It allows people to hold contradictory views.

[@cuwalos370]

I just realized that agonists accept ALL religions as plausible, when everyone else accepts only one as true.

[@1lightheaded]

What I find amusing is that even though they claim to be Christian they don't follow the example of Christ or quote all those socialist statements that he allegedly made . i.e love your neighbor take care oif the poor rich men not being able get in to heaven . vnot judging other people and the list goes on . Share croppers who have a hard time spelling their own names think they have the RIght to tell me that. I am going to hell because I will not treat their beliefs as reality . Just because they belong to some heretical organisation they think themselves righteous and some special close pal of the Big Boss God. .

[@libidinistlyn]

It's crazy I was raised highly religious family and most religious people I talk to don't even understand certain parts of the bible as well as I do. It makes it very easy to argue my case too haha

[@FreedomOfTħought]

loganandrews48 yeah that's the very "problem".

[@BoisegangGaming]

I love how you can literally paraphrase, word-for-word, what this woman is saying at 0:58 and apply it to Christians and the exact same argument.

[@jmitterii2]

BoisegangGaming I know, her argument has no discernment, its based on arbitrary circular reasoning. She's a bit bat shit.

[@dsanders15]

+BoisegangGaming ya if you played someone just what she said, then asked them is she was christian or atheist they might have a hard time choosing which one she is.

[@KDowah]

The funny thing is that I wasn't paying attention and genuinely thought she was talking about christianity

[@gantmj]

+BoisegangGaming I was yelling "projection, projection, projection" the whole time.

[@Elate2093]

just take the "under God" out of the pledge because it pretty much means that our country is unofficially Christian an since personally I am not a Christian I think it needs to be taken and ik tons of people are gonna argue with me.

[@jamescallanan2443]

"Religion is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" - Thomas Jefferson

[@TavalineGamer]

Kobe Sibley The religion was created to control masses of human

[@Elate2093]

Scorpa ik it was made during the roman empire

[@TavalineGamer]

Kobe Sibley Not specifying that it has to be Christianity. To look on the bright side, it has to be one of the most "normal" religions today

[@Tocaraca]

The pledge of allegiance as a whole is a stupid thing to do in school. I can't believe that kids get it implanted into their brains at a young age. America is fucking terrible

[@robertpolanco1973]

Personally, I find it offensive that there are too many religious fanatics in America. The people of Fox News are an example of it.

[@themelancholia]

Robert Polanco All they need to do is fucking report the NEWS but they have turned into propaganda instead of news

[@glennbeck9496]

@Melancholia Fox "News" has ALWAYS been a republican propaganda platform. That's how Roger Ailes designed it in back when it started in October 1996.

[@Sonikclaw2]

I have never stood for, and never will stand for, the Pledge of Allegiance in school. Not only is it unconstitutional ("Under God...") to say it in school, I disagree with nearly every single clause in the damn thing.

[@johntheatheist.123]

i do the same thing.

[@cursingsteak0124]

+plumpkitters I don't see why, why should I plegde alliance when I'm a FUKING child

[@cursingsteak0124]

+plumpkitters I don't see why, why should I plegde alliance when I'm a FUKING child

[@user-zu1ix3yq2w]

same.

[@user-zu1ix3yq2w]

Yeah I remember a girl getting yanked out of her seat for not doing the pledge.

[@hardspumoni6940]

Funny.....kids wouldn't know what god was if they weren't told. The difference between god and Santa is eventually someone tells you Santa isn't real.

[@nicholasfranco1419]

Yep. It's really sad.

[@PresidentCamacho2024]

+The Casual Gamer santa isnt real??, omg, my whole life has been a lie!!

[@hardspumoni6940]

The real Great Cornholio doesn't concern himself with something that's not T.P......

[@BlackJar72]

"...they don't have to live here..." -- a lot of Jews didn't have to live in Nazi Germany, they were allowed to leave for a long time -- except, really, they did have to live there. Many couldn't afford to leave, others were turned away by other countries and sent back. Not everyone can afford to leave the U.S., and other countries have immigration policies too. People aren't guaranteed to be able to get residency, work permits, or citizenship in whatever country they choose, even if they can get there.

[@NucularRobit]

I also don't think leaving a country you disagree with is constructive.

[@wpdrusky]

true.. how hard would it be to leave though? think about it if a hurricane were to come into LA tomorrow we would still stay probably lol or ppl would for sure

[@therevenir3158]

A child should choose whether to believe in a god or not when they come of age to understand what they are choosing

[@krustybenson3194]

The Revenir yeah but if that was the case religions would go out of existence extremely fast because kids aren't being brainwashed into religion

[@therevenir3158]

ZeBallisticBear ' what I'm trying to point out is that we shouldn't indoctrinate kids at a young age but teach them about both secularism and monotheism or polytheism when they can understand and make a choice for themselves

[@therevenir3158]

ZeBallisticBear ' And they shouldn't be brainwashed into religion it ain't right

[@Darkfreed0m]

Sadly, that rarely happens in the world.

[@brandonnaylor2284]

I've found on a generalised level that faith is something that is either there or isnt regardless of choice. Those who work upon a basis of faith of course dont concern themselves with evidence, but regardless of this a faith based belief cannot be effectively forcibly pushed on a person, nor can they impose such a belief on themselves.

[@aidenv2792]

I go to school, im in 7th grade. I sat down during the Pledge and I got detention. For what? Practicing my rights to sit down during this pledge that only caters to religious people? It's an outrageous rule that I have to pledge to something that I don't want to. But yet I'm in a really religious and conservative part of where I live. Also "Free Country"? My f**king a** it is.

[@Kayla-d2]

Where do you people live? its not allowed to punish a child for not saying the pledge. im pretty sure that's like illegal, unless its different in other states. I mean I don have to say it, although if a teacher catches me siting down during the pledge I do get scolded, its supposedly "disrespectful", but I don really give a shit. its "disrespectful" to force me to even pretend I give a damn

[@enhab7457]

if i were in that situation i would continue to sit down every day until i could talk to someone. if they still say no, i would still sit down until i get a figure of authority to see my point of view

[@hazelmaple4984]

My Spanish teacher in the eighth grade shouted at me every day of the year for sitting through the pledge every day. But I still did it every day. Not because of "under God" because of "with liberty and justice for all". If you tell me that as a gay female atheist that I have liberty and justice, then frankly I'll just walk away and not talk to you again.

[@l_dogd8587]

Hazel Kaye didnt the supreme court make it ok not to say the the pledge? not sure

[@hazelmaple4984]

L_DOG D Yes, but some people give 0 fucks.

[@gooesmoo9850]

But when religious people try to inflict their belief systems on others, that's not selfish or small-minded. Nice logic there, Fox News.

[@k-d-n2567]

+Gooe Smoo To be honest I first thought this was her point. Until I realized she was talking about Atheists. Then I was confused.

[@thekidsos]

i have fucking rights excuse me?

[@karinisvetcool]

Yes... Because atheïsts force their belief system on others... *edit* This was sarcasm and I was quoting the people in the video -,-

[@deadchannel0039]

not all of them do you fool

[@KristerAndersson-nc8zo]

+Crazy Ohio Productions I Think she was sarcastic.

[@SpaceCattttt]

+Karin KaPOW You really want to go there? Atheism is the LACK of belief in gods, so by definition, it CAN'T be a belief system.

[@karinisvetcool]

teppolundgren Exactly!

[@meeatdingoman4881]

+teppolundgren its a belief that no god exist

[@JacobSaari]

Back in the days i've met the best priest. Apart from his profession he'd spend some of his free time playing soccer with me and my friends. He was always cool and didn't care if we believe in god or not. He'd say " whatever, just be good to each other and respect each other" It's like instantly solving all this stupid shit.

[@rorycox7855]

Jacob Piechowski I'm an atheist but a priest in my hometown, father Connolly was a badass

[@wickederebus]

@@rorycox7855 Father Kotomine. Badass, but not someone you want to ever have the attention of.

[@rustygx4867]

​@@wickederebusFate/Stay Night reference.

[@mr.queasy2280]

Atheist should start protesting and stuff, how else are we gonna fix all this shit.

[@tyronebiggums8660]

We need more atheists, and it needs to be acceptable to become an atheist in politics.

[@mr.queasy2280]

We already have about 30% of all of the usa. How have minorities always solve problems in the past? Why don't we do that

[@dantheman4385]

I don't agree with someone getting in solely because they're atheist, but if they get in and they so happen to be atheist, then fine with me.

[@HolyArmyofLight]

Jacov Whaley Incorrect. I'm not sure the percentage is near 30%, as the last I've seen was about 20%. 20% is not the percentage of atheists or freethinkers represented in the US population. About 11% of the 20% represents those who do not identify with a particular denomination within a religion, such as Christianity. About 7% represents those who are not apart of a religion but do not *publicly* identify as atheists, humanists, agnostics etc. Not counting them as a part of the total non-believer percentage, we're left with about roughly 2% of the population that publicly identify as freethinkers. Now, that percentage may very well be up since I haven't looked at the latest data but its clear we are not gaining a significant foot hold in our society. Although, we do make quite some noise for all the land to hear and have begun more 'aggressive' campaigns for equal treatment on all fronts. We have much to achieve and with the downfall of religion seeming ever so near, we will soon be the majority.

[@candyandacurrantbun]

guys lets go I have a speech ready

[@jacobpohlabel4156]

so it doesn't matter if the "Under God" portion was added to the Pledge of Allegiance, or if it was originally written therein. Republicans at their finest.

[@bryanmannoia7561]

+Jacob Pohlabel i'm a republican and atheist and i would be happy to see that silly terminology removed. don't blame republicans, blame the bible thumpers.

[@Thindorama]

+bryan mannoia In fact the bible thumpers are actually RINOs to real republicans who know what the GOP stands for.

[@alexross1997]

Lol every time we say it in high school I skip "under God." I respect a secularized America, the original America. I don't respect a theocracy

[@0Regnier]

Right? The worst part is that it's not like Atheists are asking for them to replace it with something anti-religion. No, we just want the "under god" removed to make it religiously neutral. Something that might actually please more than just atheists in this country.

[@jonw1235]

+Alex Ross many Christians want a Christian theocracy whether they would admit it or not. They are, therefore, anti American, and not aligned with the vision of America handed down to us by our founding fathers. They want a 1950s America where being Christian and white was the norm and everyone was pressured to be Christian, or at least go along with it and don't question the religious imposing their religion on everyone.

[@madisoncarvalho007]

"why should they be catered to, why are they so special".. Because believe it or not lady.. Not all people believe in the same God that you do.. And a human being is a human being no matter what religion they choose to believe or not believe in.. Fucking a.

[@jaybourne100]

Religious people piss me off -_-

[@Castello]

With all due respect, I completely agree with what you are saying. We all have inalienable rights, and not everyone believes in god. But, not hearing people say "God" in school is not an inalienable right. In fact, freedom of religion dictates that I can be religious in public. Therefore, I should be allowed to pray and say "God" in school. I agree that the lady in the video was annoying. She didn't communicate very well. I think what she was trying to say, is that just because someone else finds it offensive for me to say "God" in a public place (like a public school), shouldn't mean I can't, because I have an inalienable right to do that. Why should preserving an Atheists feelings be more important than someone's inalienable rights?

[@brendan1871]

Joseph Holt It's because it is basically enforced. Unless times have changed, when I was in elementary school (this was about 6-11 years ago btw) your teacher pretty much forced you to pledge to the allegiance unless you really took an active role to refuse. Even if you did refuse, you potentially would have had to accept alienation from some classmates. The problem is that it is an assumed action for people to say 'controversial' words. Sure people *can* say them, they should not be *forced* to say them. Personally, I don't find offense because I know that "under God" was put in the pledge during a time of great stress and it is so superficial (superficial atheists I tell ya'). I do however, empathize with the oppressed and this is technically oppression unless again, times have changed, and there is less stress on on the choice of saying it or not. Also, take into account that I live in Michigan and that was a public school. I can't imagine how much it is probably enforced in the deep south. I never refused to say it then, but I may object now because I am intellectually more mature and I don't feel that I should *pledge my UNDYING ALLEGIANCE to something as fucking external as, well an external idea of a union* which may or may not change whether I like it or not. Has anyone really, actually thought about the meaning of some of the things they commonly or habitually say? It is called principle, people. But I digress, when there is a rule which has consequences to those who are not infringing on others rights then that is an unjust rule. Also read some of the below comment chains for some other great points (this is not only for Joseph Holt, but for everyone reading this right now) :D P.S. Sorry about the length of my post it is something I tend to do. =/

[@davidvernet5828]

Joseph Holt I don't believe the issue in question here is whether people are allowed to say "god" in schools...the issue is that the pledge of allegiance, words spoken by congress at the beginning of all congressional sessions, contains the words "under god". The pledge of allegiance is a national, government-sanctioned pledge. Why should the words "under god" be in our national pledge when our government is meant to operate completely independently from religious institutions? Surely you see the distinction here...?

[@capusvacans]

Joseph Holt Of course hearing you mention God isn't a problem, or you saying or even singing it, have at it, I don't care. But the constitution itself prohibits the government from favouring any religion. So why is God mentioned in the pledge. Also, if you rly think having God in the pledge is about your inaliable rights and freedom of religion, then you must agree that other religions have those same inaliable rights aswell as the right to express their religion freely. Hence you would have no problem with it if the pledge were to say: one nation, under Allah, or one nation, under no God. However i'm quite sure that you would protest heavily. But hey, they have the same unaliable rights as you. So why would you have the right to request 'under Allah' to be removed from the pledge. The only reason that you have no problem with God being in the pledge is because it happens to be your God, if it were any other you would instantly play the 'persecuted christian' card. Also, who said that you don't have the right to mention God in school, you can even pray in school without a problem. However you cannot force others to pray along with you. That is the whole point about freedom of religion, it means no force may be put on others, no matter how slight, to force them into following your religion, or to adhere to it's rituals. You have the right to talk about God all you want, and I have the right to ignore your babbling about God completely, or to talk about another God. That is religious freedom. there are tons of religions in the US, yet all non christians are forced to pledge on God, in other words, the inaliable rights of the non christians are infringed upon. Not mentioning God in the pledge doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. All it does is take away the institutionalisation of the 'favoured' religion and puts it on par with the others. And if you rly are a proponent of freedom or religion, you would support that.

[@alexibrailey9529]

America is meant to be a secular nation

[@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes]

It's Meant To Be A SPIRITUAL Nation.

[@Sergei_kv82]

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes yea, no. Keep dreaming. Its all you do anyway.

[@TheKnowledgeMan101]

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes what ever happened to separation of church and state by Thomas Jefferson in the first amendment?

[@lolabigcups7121]

This from the people who supported the Freedom for religion act. A law that would've given every Christian the right to discriminate against anybody who would offend their religious beliefs. The hypocrisy is just too real.

[@lolabigcups7121]

*for.

[@lolabigcups7121]

***** you should reread it, but first look up the definition of hypocrisy.

[@lolabigcups7121]

***** when where how did I say that people should have the right to discriminate against Christians? Also who is trying to discriminate against Christians?

[@lolabigcups7121]

***** umkay

[@ChugaFool]

+David Hileman Do you think you're funny for insulting people? I don't think you know the definition of hypocrisy because she clearly was not.

[@555pghbob]

I left America because of people like this. Americans are the only people in a "democracy" whose default position in a debate is, "If they don't like it here, they can leave." So, I did, and I now live in one of the freest and open societies on the planet, Sweden.

[@SijmoN]

Fun i have a few american friends that did the same. Welcome and hope you enjoy Sweden.

[@vincentlarsson7469]

Seriously? I'm a swede myself, and I would give anything to be free in this country. Sweden is hell on earth for a person who has the wrong opinion. Let's say you don't like the current immigration policy. If you say that in public, first the media will portray you as a lesser human and the devil himself, and then people will put an axe in your door, or even try to kill you. I'm not kidding, this is literally happening to people right now. There's even a TV-show on swedish television were left wing extremists visit people with "intolerant and fascist opinions" in their homes with a baseball bat in their hands. And these left wing extremists are all under protection of the elite. You won't find a single major newspaper or politician who protests against this. Other than that, the third biggest political party in sweden, the Sweden Democrats, with about 15% of the support, are being frequently marginalized, threatened, and bullied by the government, media, and the so called antifascists/racists. Does anyone think that sounds like a democratic and open country? Do yourself a favor man and move someplace else, I'm thinking of moving to Canada myself as soon as I graduate from College.

[@battlehippo89]

vincent larsson There's nothing wrong with thinking the swedish immigration is bad or should be restricted or whatever you're thinking of. The problem lies within the Sweden Democrats and the most outspoken of their politicians who are racist. What do I mean by racist? Thinking that it is one group of people, mostly people from the middle-east at the moment, who's at fault in all the problems that we've got. When you think that it comes down to that it's their fault our economics isn't as good any longer or that our crimerates are entirely their fault. If you think that all immigration should be cut off or restricted, I've got no problem with that. If you've got some facts to support that such a claim would be beneficial to the whole of the country, I can get behind it. However, if you think that cutting or restricting immigration from only one part of the world is okey, then I have a problem with it. I do not condone the things that mass media is doing in terms of trying to margianlize a whole party and I really think that they are quite biased (as much as the other side like friatider etc) but when politicians in a party make comments that are unsavory, unnecessary, racist and are lying, then there's a problem. A problem which many people who vote for the Sweden Democrats would rather dismiss it seems. Not saying that the other parties don't do it aswell, but it's more frequent. Too frequent even. I have no idea what TV-program you're refering to since I don't watch TV but it sounds ghastly. What do I want to say with all this? You are free to say and feel what you want, but you can't do so without consequences and there will always be someone who thinks that they've got it right. Canada sounds lovely though, thought about moving there myself.

[@vincentlarsson7469]

Christian Berggren I'm glad to hear that at least someone think as I do when it comes to freedom of speech. I'm not going to argue over any politics or whether or not there is racism in the Sweden Democrats, that's not the point here. My point is, I believe Sweden is in fact not a democracy, but more between an idiocracy and democrature. You seem to be a person who's okay with people having different opinions than you, but the fact is, the majority of the swedes don't think that way, and I'm not speaking out of my arse here, this comes from first hand experience. The media, the government, and perhaps half of the people think it's okay, and sometimes even encourages violence against so called "intolerant views". You can see this happening every other day. By the way, the TV-show I was referring to is called "Trolljägarna" and is being broadcasted on TV3.

[@battlehippo89]

I couldn't agree more. However, what a "real" democracy looks like tends to shift from person to person and I'm not going to say that I have the answer to it. I can speculate but that's about as far as it goes. I'm going to look that up!

[@markyncole]

Have you ever had an Atheist knock on you door to try and preach to you?

[@JoeBob189]

Nah, they're too lazy. They just type their lives away on the internet.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@JoeBob189 Exactly. Never has any atheist bothered me about their religios beliefs. Abrahamic believes tho...

[@arantzasousa5536]

Its hilarious how many christians believe in god but deny any existence of other supernatural beings, it's like dude you believe in a sky daddy that no one has seen but think the idea of ghosts is stupid even tho many people claim having experience close encounters?

[@krustybenson3194]

Witch Bitch sky daddy is an amazing name for the flying spaghetti monster

[@arantzasousa5536]

ZeBallisticBear ' yaaaas

[@Lensmorum]

you are assuming about all christians, where i am from our church did believe in supernatural stuff like ghosts, or curses even. it depends on the sect. Try not to classify all christians into one, i fucking hate catholics.

[@XxXNerdyPandaXxX]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" Oh, really? So then why the fuck do we, citizens of the USA, have to carry around currency with the words "in God we trust" imprinted on it? That's violating the first amendment right there and therefore is unconstitutional. Smh...separation of church and state my ass.

[@user-kv7yn2js2h]

Malyssa c: And immigrants have to swear by god at the oath-taking.

[@dantheman4385]

"In God we Trust" being printed on currency isn't really something to complain about. It's something you would never notice unless you went looking for it.

[@XxXNerdyPandaXxX]

Dan TheMan I'm not complaining, I'm making a point. Saying the pledge of allegiance is also a violation against the first amendment, as well as saying oath. Also, I don't know about you, but I look at my money, and the words "In God we Trust" is right in front of my face. You don't have to look very hard lol.

[@dantheman4385]

True. It's against the separation of church v state, but it's a minor problem. I'd advocate with the printing of regular money.

[@Julianna.Domina]

Malyssa c: That isn't a law, the designs of the currency are determined by a design contest, especially in the 20th and into the 21st century.

[@Will6753]

"Why should they force their beliefs on us?" Aren't you forcing your beliefs on us?

[@IizUname]

Thats ho they manipulate their viewers. Make them feel victimized and incite fear.

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

Ofcourse, Fox News also blew their stacks when the pledge was given in arabic in a school, where they translated the word "God" to "Allah". Wouldn't have happened if the pledge didn't have "under God" in it. :)

[@rogersterling8403]

Ok so replace the word "God" with another God like Allah or Zeus or something then they would be making a huge fuss about it... I mean how hard is it to just get rid of "God" from the pledge so no one feels like they're not having their rights being taken away... As an atheist I don't do the pledge at all...

[@azuregriffin1116]

Your words and profile picture please me.

[@johnlove2954]

Of course, neither Christians nor any religious group gets to have its way. Only atheists are allowed. Let us censor everything that says "God"

[@thatlemonguy1107]

空星 Or replace “Under God” with “Under Law”

[@thatlemonguy1107]

John Love Let’s do just that, because Christians believe the most fucking retarded things ever.

[@josephdavis9234]

John Love Exactly! Christians are not allowed to eat chicken sandwiches unless those sandwiches have the word "God" written on them, they're not allowed to sing nursery rhymes to their kids unless the rhyme has at least one mention of God, and they aren't allowed to watch any TV shows that don't have God in the title. These are the rules of Christianity, don'tchaknow! So by NOT mentioning God somewhere you don't need it, you are preventing Christians from being able to enjoy it. /s

[@zuesunleashed]

The phrase 'Christian science' doesn't make any sense LOL!

[@undertyped1]

I think christian science goes like this: "god dun it"

[@babby660]

Bob Dole worse than that -- it;s god dun it so leave it alone, even if it's gonna kill your child.

[@zackersquackers]

It's oxymoronic, especially since religion in general is the antithesis of science.

[@SIG442]

Well spoken Thunderf00t! While a single religion, may it be christianity, buddist, muslim or any other, they all claim they have the right religion. Yet none of them realize they share more then they realize. None of them even want to see the other religions for they are by definition 'false' in their eyes. Yet a athiest / non-religious or for lack of better words, 'sane people', would say all are false. So the difference between athiests and religious people? Athiest do not discriminate, they just want the truth instead of bullshit :)

[@ogslowdragon]

Just cause your confused about religion doesn't make the real one wrong. And atheism is bass ackwards anyways. In all honesty, your all agnostics. Unless you really think you know everything in the universe, and there really is no God in or out of it.

[@SIG442]

Mike Corleone So just because I like facts and not fairytale bullshit like you, I should be confused according to you? You making me laugh with your ignorance.

[@ogslowdragon]

SIG442 it seems like you like fairy tales more than facts. The entire universe from nothing, abiogenesis, moral evolution from material origins, complexity arising from mutations and natural selection. Yeah, think about it.

[@SIG442]

Mike Corleone So what is your problem? Fearing that Thunderf00t and me might be right? Yet thunderf00t is not responding so you pester me with your religious foolishness? Very grown up :)

[@iamalpharius6288]

I'm a Christian yet I except Islam, Judaism Mormons, and Jehovah I'd love to be in an Abrahamic community where we all get along.

[@rolobeorn1881]

Religion as we know it today, will evolve out the world. Just like there was a bronze and stone age, there is now a religion age.

[@totallyblueflame2nd]

Hopefully...

[@SilverShadowPro]

Rolo Beorn Well the "religion age" has been happening since the beginning of civilization. So good luck with that.

[@rolobeorn1881]

SilverShadowPro Yes, but back then, people knew a lot less about everything and people didn't know about evolution. Religion was very normal.

[@SilverShadowPro]

Rolo Beorn Yeah that's a fair point. I just don't see ALL religion going away since there are so many of them with very different belief systems. Christianity is definitely taking a hit though in westernized countries.

[@rolobeorn1881]

SilverShadowPro True. I think improvements in technology and science will cause most religion to evole out.

[@celineyong]

"Pawns from their parents political view...(beliefs and so on)" Wait, what aren't parents that enforce religion onto their family(child, relative), making their family the pawns to. She didn't think that through since atheist are people that don't believe in god there for have no belief. You can really have a person enforce a non existing belief onto there family, if there was nothing to begin with.

[@glennbeck9496]

That fucktarded moron is Kimberly Guilfoyle. She is now dating Donnie Trump Jr. They're a match made in fucktardedly stupid moron hell.

[@MightyMack03]

I just don't say the pledge. That's the easy way to do it.

[@applejuice2826]

I say the pledge, but I just don't say the 'under God' part.

[@elephystry]

+TheSteel_Flame I say under Satan

[@davidrubow8784]

conduit122 it rhymes and therefore it sounds better

[@cooperjordan453]

TheSteel_Flame I do the same.

[@chickenchamp71]

Heh, I say 'Under Satan.'

[@thesparduck117]

As a christian I must apologize for these people's idiocy.

[@spidaminida]

Thank you!!

[@Rasmustheforest]

now apologize for your own.

[@jennygoodall5481]

I do not believe you are required to apologize for other Christians. Just look at your own actions and beliefs and see if anything needs to be changed, and the change them. That's all. I do appreciate the spirit of your offer, though.

[@thesparduck117]

Rasmustheforest clarify what you mean

[@Rasmustheforest]

i just meant, that if you were going around doing rounds saying sorry for people being idiots, might aswell check yourself at the door, i mean you totally just snuck in the god-gun right past your idiot-checkers

[@trolldoll6450]

I don't know about you guys, but my school lets us choose whether or not we want to say the pledge.

[@thegallowsghost]

When I was in school, we would get in trouble for not saying it

[@amvCBG]

u have the best school

[@espalorp3286]

what's a pledge, is that like, when you plank on a ledge?

[@trolldoll6450]

😂😂😂 lmao, no. It's kinda like a promise to your country that you won't betray them, i guess

[@Gorillaman01]

this girl in my sophomore year one day didn't stand for the pledge and my teacher went batshit on her for not "respecting those who served and protect this free world". She was a fucking nut who didn't believe in your rights that weren't far right republican and argued with our principal about making it a school rule to stand for the pledge. And the principle the next week made it a rule that you atleast have stand during the pledge no matter what your beliefs

[@phillipgiroux2145]

The separation of church and state is probably the most important defense of ALL peoples rights, when it gets chipped away, it opens the door for not only taking rights away from non-theists but from religious people too.

[@user-ki1un4jg2d]

Right . Madalyn Murray O'Hair attempted to take away our rights several times .

[@jefferysmith6658]

Making everyone pledge to God is inflicting your belief system on them. Isn't state and religion supposed to be seperate? Chick sounds like Putin.

[@paulwettstein395]

she doesn't understand the constitution nor does she have a clue about Christianity's very bloody and unjust past towards people who wouldn't follow it.

[@LordBaktor]

kelly wilson whitehead You'll be taken more seriously if you just respectfully say that it goes against your moral principles rather than gratuitously insulting people. Btw I'm 33 and not in high school :P

[@christopheraaron1255]

does she not realise that the EXACT same argument can be used to describe Christianity?

[@DocStrange0123]

+Chris Aaron Fox News, do I have to explain more? XD ;) :P

[@jairogers5876]

Chris Aaron yea, she is an idiot.

[@warrenlauzon5315]

Perhaps we should even question why kids are forced to recite some pledge of allegiance at all?

[@JLConawayII]

I remember back in high school, there was one girl who would never stand up and recite the pledge. I thought she was just being defiant and stupid at the time. If I had it to do over again though, I would sit right down next to her.

[@ThinkFFS]

JLConawayII Sadly she was probably just a Jehovah's Witness....

[@ValerieRaya]

I was confused about that when I first heard it. I never knew such a thing existed. The only thing we ever stood up(or not, we didn't do it always) and spoke in union was until 7th grade. We stood up and greeted the teacher with "Guten Morgen Frau/Herr Schmidt"(Good morning Mrs/Mr Schmidt). Nothing else.

[@75ur15]

If I could speak to her I would say this, 1) it was added in violation of the law 2) I don't care the slightest amount how you say it or how you want it, the state (government) cannot endorse or enforce any religion 3) teachers and schools are of the state (public schools not private ...depending on whether or not they receive state funds) and cannot put forth any religion 4) if a student wishes to speak it a given way or to refuse to speak it, that is up to them 5) five, the BIG one...... "students being used as pawns of their parents....." how he (d)uck (autocorrect kept my swearing down and that looks funnier anyway) do you think an atheist sees indoctrination and having a child who can't know any better at such a young age, to spout forth what you cram down their throats, stop using YOUR kids as pawns, let them learn to think critically, and stop being a hypocrite... That is all and thank you if you made it this far

[@johnlove2954]

+75ur15 1) No 2) Which religion is it endorsing? 3) Teachers are of state? I guess, slavery is back. 4) Yeah, that is First Amedment. 5) SO, do you also think that schools should not force evolution on kids of Christians?

[@satansprodegy8933]

John Love Its endorsing Christianity. Teachers that work at PUBLIC schools are HIRED by the STATE GOVERNMENT, so yes teachers are of the state. Evolution is taught in schools because there is actuall evidence of evolution, which children and society can benefit from learning. But its ok if you're a parent and don't want your kid to learn about evolution, just don't send them to public schools. Im sure there's a private school out there who would love for you to pay them to indoctrinate your kids.

[@johnlove2954]

+Satan's Prodegy If a public teacher says that she likes McDonalds, is that state endorsement of McDonalds? What teacher do, does not mean it is endorsed by government. What you are saying is that teachers have to give away their rights to retain job, which is stupid, because Constitution explicitly protects government from taking away those rights. Oh! And if you are unhappy with Pledge of Allegiance, you can follow your own advice. You can join a private Marxist school.

[@satansprodegy8933]

John Love A teacher can say that they like McDonald's, but as a state government employee they are not allowed to endorse a religion or force religion onto their students because the constitution clearly states that there is to be a separation of church and state, and that everyone has freedom of religion. Which is what the video we are commenting on is about. Kids in school being forced to recite the pledge of allegiance that illegaly endorses one religion. And you're right, teachers rights are limited in the classroom, and for a good reason too. A teachers job is to teach whatever curriculum they are being paid to teach, not to share their religious beliefs or political beliefs(unless it pertains to the class) because it creates conflict between teachers, parents, and the school board. When a teacher infringes on kids beliefs it pisses parents off because 1 its their kid and 2 its also their beliefs. I'm sure you would be pissed if your kids teacher tried to plant their beliefs in your kids head, the same goes for every other parent. Kids go to school to learn, church is for religion.

[@johnlove2954]

+Satan's Prodegy 1. A teacher can endorse a religion, she cannot force it. Endorsement is a part of Freedom of Speech and Expression. When you say that she cannot do that, you are saying that she cannot say "I think God is real". Sorry, but Government can do nothing against speech. 2. No, Pledge of Allegiance contains one line about God. Not Yahweh. Lot of religions believe in God. You are trying to censor a word. By your logic, atheists should be able to refuse currency as well? 3. No, a teacher should not share their political or religious belief. But it is not Unconstitutional. 4. I may be upset, but teachers do it all the time. I haven't seen atheists cry when the reverse happens. 5. Yes, school is to learn. But unless, you try to frame every teacher for sharing his/her belief, whatever that may be, I see no reason to believe you are not bigoted. I am not sure which school you went, or which public University, but there are teachers from all sides of spectrum that share their belief with students. You act as if it is a crime, only when it is pro-religion.

[@cartooniverse8891]

"It was?......de dub do bum....doesn't matter though". *Sigh*

[@fleecemanjenkins6648]

[SPOILER ALERT:] It matters. It matters very greatly that our great grandparents were so irrationally afraid of Commies behind every bush and under every desk that they said "hasta la vista" to the 1st Amendment and made God the logo for a secular, scientific nation.

[@joanevans9508]

I have copy of the film "The Great Man Votes" (1939). It played on a regular basis on midnight to dawn TV here in Australia for many a year. There's a scene in it where a class of school children preform the pledge of allegiance. And NOT a mention of the words "Under God". Which even I, as a foreigner, know that those words were introduced in 1954 to show that America "wasn't a godless nation like those Communist Russians". That's right folks, up until it's introduction in 1954 there was NO "under god" in the USA's pledge of allegiance.

[@surlyethereal790]

If Jesus came back(if he was a person) he would be appalled. The truth is in the bible and all other religious books but almost no one knows what it is. People cannot connect to it, see the truth in it. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of BS in all the religions but the truth is in them. The ultimate truth of life has been revealed, and for the first time we can Know how life actually works, we can Know the truth and it turned out to be better than anything we could have imagined. The truth can be explained with or without reference to religion. People can keep their religions as long as they see the truth in them, and heave the BS. Everyone needs to check the truth for themselves, Google *_Truth Contest_* and read the top entry. This is truth the evidence suggests, truth you can and should check for yourself.

[@noahowens6133]

+Capo Justo How do you know fool

[@tiggerpupify]

The truth is in the real world. You know the truth by studying the real world. Want to know why the sun rises? Study the real world. The bible says the earth stands still, so the sun rises because it is the sun that moves. The real world says the earth is spinning, and that's why the sun rises. One tells the TRUTH and the other doesn't. Just because it feels good doesn't make it true.

[@LMcAwesome]

+Capo Justo Shame you couldnt share any of that knowledge you have. I hear there are some guys at Cern that would love to hear from someone who knows the ultimate truth of life and all things. Orrrrrr you are just talking bollocks.

[@D2101Productions]

+Capo Justo God of gaps.

[@obijuan3004]

We should remove under God from all American documentation.

[@andrewharper1609]

And the UK should shut down the Church of England.

[@obijuan3004]

Andrew Harper I think people should believe what they want to believe, but the government should not force that belief down our throats. In the days of Thomas Jefferson, churches could punish people for not following church doctrine, for accusations of fornication, blasphemy, or for not going to church, and no trial was required. What the Thomas Jefferson did was to free us from church slavery.

[@andrewharper1609]

@@obijuan3004 These people believe I should fund their churches through my taxes. As far as I'm concerned any state that does that forfeits any right to tax it's citizens.

[@obijuan3004]

Andrew Harper , it’s okay by me if the donations to churches are tax free, but real estate is a limited resource and it should be taxed. Large churches take up prime real estate in cities, so the citizens are forced to pay those taxes not paid by the churches. Also if a church needs police or fire protection those services are paid by citizens taxes. Why should I be forced to pay for a religions property taxes and their services?

[@andrewharper1609]

@@obijuan3004 The donations should not be tax free. The same argument you make for property taxes applies equally to the income. Religion is not charity it's consumption and should be taxed as such.

[@Syrinx69]

I don't understand why everyone is making this out to be an atheist issue. EVERYONE who supports our constitution should be supporting this. Atheists aren't the only people being discriminated against by having "under God" in the pledge or "In God We Trust" as our motto. Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus etc should be just as angry about it.

[@ChickenButterAgent]

She thinks that it's bad to force to something. What did Christianity do?

[@ChickenButterAgent]

True bro

[@johnadams57]

Breda Jake And they claim a moral standard that is good and bash rational, secular morality b/c there isn't slavery or something? I don't even understand their views anymore. If they can't see their religion for what it is, they basically are practicing secular morality, but with upgraded holiness and homophobia crossbred within. When will they give it up?

[@TheChiptuner]

If the pledge was changed to "...one nation, under Allah, with liberty and justice for all", how would Christians feel?

[@Nickgowans]

+John William so you're saying everyone would approve?

[@kanescrimes4848]

It's almost 6 years later but I feel you still deserve thank's, recognition, respect and applause for taking on the exhaustively tedious task of watching all that religious media so you could give us a great video. Thank you.(I didn't clap, but I did say "fuck yeah" out loud)

[@manwithtwowives]

this isnt a surprise to me... my high school (a public school in the US) told us that evolution wasnt a fact, taught us about christianity and our teachers would harass students (myself included) telling us we were going to hell because we werent going to the right youth group. i was christian at that time and didnt understand why this was wrong and not the way to treat children. As an adult, i am having my kids go to at home public school so i can monitor the teacher/student interaction first hand. what a shit situation to have to be in... to have to monitor your child's teacher so they dont feed them lies and religious propaganda. The religious culture where i live has turned me from a Theist, to a Deist, to an Atheist to what i am now... an Antitheist. it's high time we stopped letting the superstitions of the uneducated dictate what our children learn!! i dont think other countries fully understand the situation in the US regarding religion... obviously some of the people around the world understand but it's not known as well as it should be, i think. it's scary repressive here.

[@HotaruKara]

I understand your point of view, nowdays americans suddenly became more "christian" than they were before (20-30 years ago). As this video shows, in 1955, the dollars didn't have "In God We Trust" on them. It seems like a regress not a evolution. I think that politicians nowadays try to manipulate americans by using "religion", butt most of them aren't real christians or religious people. In the country where I'm from, Romania, we have religion as a subject in our curriculum since elementary school to highschool, and they are not private schools, al public schools have it. However, we were never taught to believe that evolution doesn't exist or that Big Bang didn't happen or that the World is only 7000 old.So why are schools in America that don't have religion as a course in their curriculm be so fundamentalists in their religion and basically crazy? The answer is that they didn't learnt much about religion and are just spoonfeed outrageous lies and superstitions basically, without finding out for themselves. I really find these kind of people dangerous to society, ignorance is the deadliest weapon you can use against someone. Btw, in Romania in the Religion course we are taught mostly about christianity, but there are also times we learn about others religions like judaism, islamism, buddhaism etc, in order to keep an open mind and enrich our cultural knowledge.

[@rickchamblee7852]

Just a tip: atheist and anti-theist are the exact same thing. Atheist literally stands for anti-theist. A(anti)theist.

[@manwithtwowives]

Rick Chamblee incorrect. "a" means 'without' while "anti" means 'against or opposed of'. huge difference. per wiki: " *Atheism* is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities." " *anti-theism* is active opposition to theism. The term has had a range of applications; in secular contexts, it typically refers to direct opposition to organized religion or to the belief in any deity..." in other words, most atheists i know dont announce that they dont believe in a diety and think that theism should be respected and is an ok thing. i (an antitheist) believe that theism is an immoral belief system that needs to be aggressively (though peacefully) criticized and attacked. tip: next time you try to be a 'grammar nazi', try to be correct.

[@rickchamblee7852]

nonononono, you're taking it all wrong. I wasn't trying to be a grammar nazi, I was trying to help by giving you the proper terminology(which I've now learned is wrong.) I swear, I was trying to be helpful.

[@manwithtwowives]

Rick Chamblee im sorry, in that case. i didnt mean to be such an ass. my apologies, i was wrong.

[@triplejudy]

As religion is ancient,ignorant, deluded nonsense, Atheists such as myself; need to stand up and be counted. Time for us to speak up regarding religion continually taking the moral high ground. Religion is neither moral nor based on any high ground ethics.

[@MrMollusk7]

My high school required us to all say the pledge every morning. The only time my teacher asked me to actually say it, I replaced all the nouns with "Satan". You'd be surprised how well that worked.

[@bakuya99]

XD

[@bakuya99]

***** They can't get mad that's the point XD. I used to do that a lot as a child because it pissed off the one religious teacher i had she would used to try on the down low to sneak in a bible passage so i would away's add satan to the pledge.

[@APaleDot]

I pledge allegiance to the Satan of the United Satans of Satan, and to the Satan for which it stands, one Satan under Satan, indivisible, with Satan and Satan for Satan.

[@KevinBelmontLuna]

"Republican" can be replaced by "Unity"and "God" to "Humanity"! Pledge of allegiance amended, you're welcome!

[@chizkin3799]

Kevin Luna that works extremely well, thanks

[@maxwellsimon4538]

republican=/=republic. A republic is a type of governance system, the kind the US is. The republican party is just the name slapped onto the conservative American party.

[@DangleBlampy]

One nation under humanity? Just remove the under god part in its entirety

[@TnT_F0X]

or you can leave it alone and tell the crybabies to shut up.

[@davisbradford7438]

TnT FoX what about the separation of church and state?

[@Volucriis]

Life would've been so much easier if religion wasn't created

[@Colin12475]

"Tolerant Christian" is an oxymoron.

[@Arexion5293]

Colin12475 Come to Scandinavia. You won't be able to tell Atheists from Christians in here.

[@mattd5240]

Colin12475 Or in islams case an 'oxy quaran'' That's terrible.

[@Arexion5293]

Lord ofsolitude Doesn't sound like you've made much progress on your psychiatry appointments. But look on the bright side, you could get official papers of a lunatic so you can get all sorts of money support from the government.

[@AmerginMacEccit]

Colin12475 How intolerant of you :)

[@Tyler602]

Hey man, the stupidest group is the loudest. There are people like me, former atheists, who still enjoy watching these videos because we get to see that group in action. There are these people in atheism, and they're commonly known as "feminists", specifically the third-wave ones. You may think, what, reduce us to our lowest common denominator? That's exactly what you're doing to us. So, let's just all sit back and laugh at these people and their stupidity, because every group has those people.

[@kedarkelkar4350]

I hate FOX news. Not that that is new, but this is yet another reason.

[@pokepok3265]

Remember when journalism was neutral? me neither.

[@LoneWulff829]

And suddenly, I'm even prouder to be an Atheist.

[@silasfatchett5693]

At least the pledge allows a choice; Zeus? Allah? Krishna? Odin? ...

[@overgrownkudzu]

the spaghetti monster, duh

[@Darkfreed0m]

KEK

[@thevoiceofthelost]

lord gaben?

[@unpopularopinionguy8480]

Zeus. Now and always.

[@TalcoPowderBay]

Tell me why I'm not surprised that this is on fox

[@drewlovelyhell4892]

0:58 Wow, listen to the amazing hypocrisy in this statement. "Atheists shouldnt be allowed to selfishly inflict their beliefs on us, but we should be able to force them to pledge allegiance to our god."

[@darkenrahl2007]

That last sentence is pure gold ;p

[@LastBound]

It is in all of his videos.

[@Macconator2010]

My opinion on religion is that it was simply created out of humanity's ego. We long for validation of some sought. Something to make us feel more important than we actually are. Not to say life isn't amazing - it is. We must make it our own though. Even if a supernatural deity created the entire universe, what makes people think that he/she would prioritise Earth, out of all the other planets in the universe? Further more why would he/she prioritise Homo sapiens over all other forms of life on this planet? "god is a mirror in which man sees's himself" - Bono, U2 360 Live at the Rose Bowl

[@mikezito4584]

I think its a longing to believe there is something beyond death.

[@Macconator2010]

Yea, that too. I just think that the ego of man plays a much greater role than people realise.

[@cousinthrockmorton900]

Watching Fox News is brain suicide

[@vtechvsmile]

I haven't said under god in the pledge for at least 5 years now

[@gregthereaper7052]

"taking out 'under god' in the pledge imposes their belife system on us"did...did she really say that

[@iseethatyouaretakingtimeou4405]

We keep "under god" In the pledge, nah, it's fine. OH! BUT WHEN WE WANT TO REMOVE IT IS "imposing your belief system on us" This reeks of double standards.

[@HelgyTheKnight]

Exactly what I was thinking. How delusional would you have to be to not see the hypocrisy in that?

[@Kaozorier]

Greg the Reaper That is so hypocritical and ironic I don't.... I really don't know.

[@LordBaktor]

Greg the Reaper She sure did Mr. Reaper.

[@joses1881]

Greg the Reaper Exactly. For some reason they confuse excluding language and forcing alternative language, such as "under no god."

[@chrismurphy7650]

You don't have to say the flag salute if you don't to, free speech like you said. No one can make you say anything

[@chrismurphy7650]

I liked btw, fuck fox news

[@김상우-b5h]

ive been threatened cause i didnt say it

[@therockkid5858]

Children don't have those rights though I'm pretty sure

[@brennaresto563]

someone in my class got in trouble by the teacher for not saying the pledge

[@elgatochurro]

Chris Murphy teachers will try to punish you even though they cant. one time i didn't even stand, i dont respect the under god pledge, nor will i salute the flag of a nation so crazy to believe in trump amongst the awful history we have and repeat today

[@laxlag16]

It's refreshing seeing comments like these when i'm living in the southeast of the United States.

[@joshs64]

Omg the hypocrisy.

[@TheComputec]

to the silly young lady at 1:13 why the hell should people who believe in wizards be catered to?

[@unsignedmusic]

What makes YOU so special Kimberly? Why should anyone cater to YOU?

[@HazardNP]

The only thing i regret in my life is beingg baptised. Obviously i didnt have much choice in the matter considering i was still shitting myself, but it truly fucks me off to this day. No child should be bred into religion, raise them and educate them then let THEM decide.

[@RoboBlue2]

I agree and emphasize. Hopefully you can take some comfort in the fact that it was just water with no magic or spiritual powers, though.

[@RoboBlue2]

*empathize (damn autocorrect)

[@Canucklehead557]

Why should people who believe in an invisible being (mental illness) be catered too?

[@Brokenrocktail]

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a mental illness to believe what you were brainwashed into.

[@patricksaxon3983]

Because America was founded on Christianity and that is a fact!

[@ryoko65]

I am very nearsighted and I went for three weeks without my glasses to show as a sign of faith that I would be healed. well, I wasn't healed, and I was told by my pastor that I must not have believed that I was going to be healed. what I thought was that I must not have been important enough to God to take the time to heal me. and that was the beginning of my search for truth. I guess that would make me agnostic at this point.... but it doesn't make sense to me that there are so many religions and denominations.... a lot of them fight each other over doctrinal points .... but what they all have in common is that they all believe that their way is the only true way and everyone who doesn't agree will go to hell..... is it just me, or that's a terrible thing to believe about the people who have it "wrong"? sigh

[@krathnic]

One is always agnostic because nothing can ever be known for certain. No matter how provable something seems, it cannot be without a shred of doubt.

[@brucenator]

Roberta Millett magical - endowed with special powers which operate outside the natural or physical world; superhuman; supernatural god - a magical anthropomorphic immortal God - the name by which the supreme magical anthropomorphic immortal is generally known in all of today's major monotheistic religions The question you really should be asking yourself is the question that theism asks: Do I believe (am I convinced) that an actual magical anthropomorphic immortal really exists? If your answer to that question is no, then you are an atheist. Gnostics claim to have "special knowledge" of the supernatural and/or of a specific deity. Some people try to simplistically argue that if you simply say "I don't know whether or not God exists," this makes you agnostic. Then they go on to argue, as Krathnic Elvan has done, that therefore everyone is agnostic since nothing can ever be known for certain. This is simply not the case. To be agnostic means that you do not consider it possible for mortals to have definite or special knowledge of the supernatural. Some people also try to simplistically argue that as an atheist, you are making the absolute claim that "God does not exist." Then they go on to argue that since no one can ever know anything for certain, no one can honestly claim to be an atheist. This too is simply not the case. Contrary to this popular argument, in order to be an atheist you do no have to claim to "know" that "God does not exist" (in the same way that gnostics claim to "know" that God does exist). An atheist is someone who has no reason to believe that an actual magical anthropomorphic immortal really exists. Since you have already stated your prior belief in a specific God (with a capital G, which very strongly indicates that you have been monotheistic all of your life and that you have put your belief in the "one and only God of the universe" and/or the God of a specific religion), all you really need to ask yourself is: Am I truly convinced (do I truly believe) that there is an actual God who really exists? (And also implied in that question is whether you believe that any of the magical anthropomorphic immortals, such as heroes, angels or devils, associated with that religion - whether or not you think of them as gods - really exist.) If you are not convinced, then you are an atheist.

[@ivypaw1681]

I have a lazy eye ever since I was small. I wanted it gone, and I prayed to god to heal me and make it go away. I asked why he has burdened me with this curse, why. I had no answer, nothing. then I did reaserch and the evidence for god is just needing it believe in more crap. I'm thinking this is just stupid. 5 years later, atheist

[@johnnyskeletman1264]

+Roberta Millett No, I'm sorry but religion is stupid. It's all fucking fairy tale stories that I figured out were bullshit when I was about 11.

[@DDogg43777]

Fun little fact, a pastor wanted to show that god would heal him. He was bitten by a venomous snake, and called OFF the ambulances. He died later on from the venom... How can you say that he "truly didn't believe?"

[@supa0ne]

her arguement is people shouldnt push their beliefs on other people. the funny part is that she is siding with the belief pushing people. xD

[@sandernielsen8018]

Her argument sounds like bs

[@japjea2476]

Yes esspecially when you look at (open minded) facts like the witch hunt and the inquesition were people were "incouraged" to convert to christianity

[@sandernielsen8018]

It´s all lies christianty goes on and on as faith of love and understanding. But still there such things like torture and forceful convertion of those that didn´t belong to the christianty to begin with

[@erictaylor5462]

7:20 Completely untrue. All the blocks are red for me.

[@erictaylor5462]

***** No, you misunderstand. I don't think any of them are true. I can see that a block is green, but for me my pile of blocks are all red.

[@rattlesthecrewmate]

Eric Taylor well said :)

[@jeffknott3217]

I propose an experiment: Ban any religious practice, even things like praying in private, then measure throughout that year things like death rates, illness rates, crime rates, charity donations and things like that. I hypothesise either none would change or there'd be an improvement in all areas! It's a shame we can't conduct this experiment as I think it would improve the state of our society!

[@christonvarner-halback700]

That last line was SO deep to me "one religion further"... I'm new to being an Atheist; it still feels weird to know that I actually am. The one thing I realized is that I didn't choose to become one; I just chose to read my bible...

[@billshort6259]

Same here. And I AM BLACK. I just read the "HOLY"Bible. I lived the christian life for about 6 to 7 years maybe more< not including my childhood). And all I can say is "HOLY"Shit. And what the FUCK? Did I just really believe in all of this, that was told to me to be TRUE, without questioning my faith in Christianity I went with it. Me been so opened to that, i believe what every Christian person had claimed about it. Now i am slowly questioning every thing. I am an Ex-Uncle Tom :) < (Don't take that statement to the heart or literally, I Broke my chains and throw away the bible.

[@christonvarner-halback700]

Your story is very similar to mine man... It's so damn crazy... I'm black as well, as you can probably see (though that's neither here, nor there to me). I'm feeling just what you are. You know what's funny? My parents told us that Santa wasn't real. The reason why is that they didn't want to lie to us, nor for us to find out he was fake later, and avoid devastation. Funny thing is, they've been getting us to believe in "SANTA" the whole time, because they also believe it... they just don't know it...

[@ihate6oogle]

The fibonacci sequence. RESEARCH PROOF GOD IS THE CREATOR. YWH

[@billshort6259]

ihate6oogle You are right. God is the Creator. I believe again. Thanks to you. But there is one more thing. Leonardo Fibonacci published a book named Libel Abaci in 1202. but his whole idea of the number sequence came from India. This was develop by the Hindus. So what does that mean, The Hindus's God is the Creator. Not the Christian God. Sad face. So i guest you better fall down on your knees and pray to the Hindu God "The Creator". Just a small hint before you do that The Creator name of the Hindus's is "Brahman" which is the one supreme, universal spirit.

[@ihate6oogle]

Bill Short That is the first time I ever heard anyone connect that sequence with hinduism. That is two completely different things you are trying to mislead people by saying random bull... The fibonacci sequence is proof of the existance of God we were created NOT by accident. The proof can also be found on our D.N.A. YES Leonardo discovered this Fact! but how in the hell did you come up with hindu ism when they believe in hundreds of different gods & worship themselves. I think you miss understood me when I said he fibonacci sequence in NATURE? Again this has absolutely nothing to do with hindu. I think you should do further research & enlighten yourself. open your eyes

[@tarrker]

Oh I love this. It's especially awesome that a Brit knows our system better than most of us do. Haha. Brilliant :)

[@c-wayne-u]

Embarrassing would be a better word. He is correct, and it is amazing how many Americans still believe that minority rights can be put on the ballot for a vote.

[@tarrker]

Wayne U Yeah. I try to joke about it but things are pretty sad these days. We have people in high status, high paying jobs who lack basic education. I was lucky and had parents who made sure I was well educated and I can certainly do the same for my kids but that still leaves a large percentage of future Americans who just won't get what they should from our public education system.

[@tofu_golem]

Ugh. Another video complaining about the presence of the phrase "under God" in our national loyalty oath. You know what? Instead of complaining about the exact wording of the loyalty oath, why aren't we asking why a free country has a loyalty oath at all? Why do we make schoolchildren chant this loyalty oath every day? It's like something out of an Orwell novel, and such a thing should not exist in a free country.

[@explosiveegg3920]

Philosophy is a weird thing... A country that constitutes freedom is not free on that very constitution. Essentially, to declare yourself free is in itself an act against the very definition of freedom. I do not think it is a bad thing to have an oath, if you are able to choose whether or not you want to give it. I do think it is bad to have suggestions of things that contradict the constitution. Such as, "under god".

[@tofu_golem]

jraposo I understand it fine. I am simply saying that you are complaining about the wrong thing. Masses of children chanting a loyalty oath each and every morning is something you expect from a dictatorship or a theocracy or an Orwell novel, not in a free country. The problem is not that the phrase "under God" is in our pledge, the problem is that we have a pledge at all.

[@jraposo]

Paul T Sjordal misunderstood your point for not reading your whole comment, but now I see you actually have a valid point. my apologies for rushing into insults based on just your first sentence.

[@tofu_golem]

jraposo I can't criticize you for that given that I often skim too quickly before replying myself. _Minor correction: I'm pretty sure that a theocracy would call it a "devotional" instead of a "pledge," but whatever._

[@tofu_golem]

Mostly, I just want people to stop arguing about the wording of the pledge and start asking why we force children to recite a loyalty oath in a free country. Sure, I would like to get rid of the "under god" part of the loyalty oath, but I want to get rid of the entire loyalty oath much, much more.

[@Ohm_mega]

Change the text to _"One nation under Allah"_ and hear the squealing from Fox

[@dabchild2912]

I am a 15 year old American and my friend decided not to stand up. We had a sub that day and she said don't you have to stand up I told her no he doesn't have to stand up. And this was my civics class so as I told her that. I also asked don't you know the laws this is America we don't have to stand. Apparently she wrote a letter to my teacher and the next day my teacher came in and told me we had to stand and I was like no we don't so she tried showing me the code of conduct and I read it and it said no where that I had to Stand but she insisted that I did so she sent me to the office trying to get me in trouble they just sent me back tho because I argued with them and they knew I was right.

[@jmitterii2]

Brent Koch With your last name, you could have sent shivers down her spine and said, I'll get Monsanto on you LOL!

[@PipPanoma]

I didn't know Tumblr had a tv programme..

[@MonigMedia]

im an atheist , my solution is just to not say IT. thats all. and there not special rights there equal rights.

[@tls5870]

I remember when I was a kid, about 7 years old I think, another kid at school told me that the Smurfs were a creation of the devil. I thought he made it up, but later he told me they told him that at church. At that time I was glad I didn't have religion stuffed down my throat by my parents and I could choose to believe what I wanted because I wanted to watch the Smurfs. Now I'm glad for so many other countless reasons...

[@Gauntlets]

They didn't have "In God We Trust" on money b4 da mid 20th century? We should take it back off money then!

[@GReid-ol5gk]

+Gauntlets yup

[@mikepublic111]

+Gauntlets -- I cross that phrase off every piece of paper currency that passes through my hands. It makes my money constitutional again.

[@thomash1992]

Sure. Why not?

[@yourschosen5868]

+Mike Public which ends up getting burt because of it so your efforts are wasted

[@superdoglogan]

+Gauntlets Replace it with "In Odin we trust" or "In Zeus we trust"

[@EpicDoesStuff0]

We, America, put "one nation under God" in our pledge, yet, don't we have something in our country about the "separation of church and government"? My school (which consists of primarily Christians) gets upset when I, an atheist, doesn't say the pledge. They technically don't have the right to do that, correct?

[@Pagemaster22193]

Well they can get upset but they don't have the right to force or pressure you to say it.

[@tbush6657]

You should say the pledge, but replace "God" with something else like fraudulence, "FSM"(flying spaghetti monster) or some other holy figure out of satire because its not like you can be punished by the one true god if he doesn't exist.

[@thereasonableatheist281]

+Trevor “Travis” Taylor You know what's awesome, I typed flying spaghetti monster into my iphone the other day and it automatically capitalized it. That means FSM is a recognized deity to the iphone lol.

[@BTal-kp1qd]

A crazy conservative, American, CHRISTIAN calling people small minded! The hypocrisy! Oh, the hypocrisy!!!!!

[@foresgum5788]

America would once again be the greatest country on earth if we all went back to being Christian Conservatives

[@BTal-kp1qd]

+kevin nardone Hahaha! That's funny!

[@AppleBiscuits]

Kevin, back when we were Christian conservatives, know what we did? Segregate people based on race. That was really cool, right?

[@TheOysterjam]

+Arcralf we've come a long way man... now we segregate people based on opinion

[@BTal-kp1qd]

+Adam A We segregate them based on race too. If you're white, straight and male then you're evil and if you're anything other than that, you're oppressed. I don't think we need christian values to rescue the west. We need to verbally bitch slap people when they throw their toys out of the pram and cry discrimination!

[@TReeseTV]

This is why I stopped saying the pledge in High School. Not because I dont like America, I love America and I am grateful to live here. I did it because everyone had this belief that I did not have the right to have my own opinions. I stopped saying it and eventually got sent to the office, which I then pointed out that I have a freedom of speech and freedom of religion and that shut them up.