Ather 450S: Should You Buy One? | MotorInc View

[@A-man3607-p7o]

This subscription model needs to go. It is horrible for consumer. Please do not enable companies that are going this route.

[@motorinc]

It is where we are headed as a world though, whether we like it or not. And during the transition period, many of us are most certainly going to hate them too.

[@The_Garage_Musician]

@@motorincthe same reply i was gonna give.

[@CRAFTYKIDSCLUB19]

@@motorinc For a physical item, a subscription would be risky, as losing my job would mean losing everything. I'm looking forward to a more secure future.

[@Manmitkinggujju]

@@motorinc lets call the water wet and say its a long term strategy to tie in customers and tied to ball and chain they will be , penny pinching done on a premium products without clarity is baffling and i hope motorinc as trusty guardians of motoring will atleast voice the concerns to ather , enen tho i love the products this is the only reason i havent bought 3 athers for my family

[@abishvijayan76]

Most people do like connectivity features, if you wanna use Google Maps, you need to pay Google for the API, and pay for the cellular connections if it's a standalone system. So a subscription won't ever go away I guess, unless they charge you a premium with the initial cost of the vehicle. Technically, both are the same.

[@happylifeman4306]

I recently encountered significant challenges with electric vehicles (EVs) that have shaken my confidence in this technology. In my city, Madurai, I placed an order for the Ather 450S. The on road price was ₹1.19 lakh, but the showroom informed me of a 100 day delivery wait time. This delay meant I wouldn't be eligible for the FAME 2 subsidy, resulting in additional costs upon delivery. Due to these concerns, I cancelled the Ather order. I then bought Ola S1 X Plus, hoping for a smoother experience. However, within just 13 days of ownership, the scooter malfunctioned unexpectedly and became inoperable. Additionally, the seat became stuck and wouldn't open. To my disappointment, the service representative informed me it would take 10 days to fix these issues. These consecutive negative experiences have unfortunately eroded my trust in EVs at the moment.

[@shashankG]

Loved the content and simplified explanation

[@kevinchris5642]

Fantastic video as always. Great editing . Would be wonderfull if you guys make a long first impression video about the Kawasaki W175.

[@indrashekharingale4025]

All things are okay only issue is charging time should be 3 to 4 hour We should have considered it

[@motorinc]

Correct. As we're using these EVs more and more though, we realise that in actual use, once an EV takes more than 2-3 hours to charge, the actual time doesn't matter because you end up plugging it in the night and not doing anything with it until morning though.

[@Huzaifa-zd8wi]

Great

[@gokulwazowski7461]

Please review the Honda CB300r Please 🫵

[@limguishengphotography]

This is more expensive than xoom 110 cc.

[@indie_developer_9]

I really don't like the subscrition idea. It feels like I'm still re-paying my loan every month which i never borrowed in the first place.😂

[@Techno_Babble]

The subscription plans have always stopped me from buying an Ather even when the prices dropped in Delhi. If there was 1 subscription then I could have understood but 2 subscription plans is questionable. Ather may argue they are giving a discount, but they are the one who came up with packs, prices and discounts. They should make it one pack and one actual price rather than putting the 'Ehsan' of a discount. I think Ather Rizta will also have the annoying subscription model. Update on the River Indie: Since River is not coming to Delhi anytime soon they refunded the money but kept the pre-booking slot. Hope they come to Delhi sooner.

[@motorinc]

Not only is the subscription model confusing and often listed as a discount -- which doesn't help - we're also learning to deal with subscriptions as a process which makes things harder. And you're right. Unless Ather does something radical, the Rizta will have subscriptions too. River: we've been testing the Indie - story as soon as we're done!

[@Techno_Babble]

@@motorinc - thanks for the update 😊

[@nabeelshariff6006]

One small drawback where the positives of this machine outshines it Dumb decision to not go with that for that reason

[@Techno_Babble]

@@nabeelshariff6006 - one of the reasons, 450x and 450s are too sporty for family. Will compare the family friendliness of Rizta to this drawback and then make a dumb decision. I can wait for River Indie if this doesn't pan out.

[@PrasunRoyPlus]

Subscription on a scooter seems like extortion. You have already paid for the hardware and still need to pay a monthly fee to use the hardware. That's just highway robbery.

[@akupegu1622]

Glad you finally talked about battery replacement. If a scooter battery can cost you about 50-60K, then imagine why a car battery cannot cost a six digit figure or more based on the capacity and range it provides. Second hand EVs anyone??? As for now I only support EV buses for public transport.

[@motorinc]

This uncertainty - and the time needed for a clear and expected picture to emerge - is why EV resales are so up and down today, and will take time to settle into a pattern for sure @akupegu1622

[@swapnilbarhate6229]

If you consider battery replacement cost, I figure you need to ride atleast 15-20 kms everyday to recoup that cost. Else ICE scooters are better for sure.

[@AtharvaThumbare]

even ev buses are major scam and breakdown very quickly

[@theelectricmile474]

Valid point. Time and again people confuse warranty with life of the battery. Does the iPhone battery die after one year? 2W Ev batteries may no last as much as 4W Evs..sure it should be fine for 8-10 years at least.

[@evthink]

There is one company that won't be named here but it now gives 8 years of battery warranty. So the battery should last atleast 10 years for them to give 8 year warranty. The same company is building a battery cell factory to make it's own cells. So you will get your battery replaced if it's gone within 8 years with a new tech battery made in India. The cost of battery now might be more but it will fall as soon as you get local production of battery cells like Ola Battery Factory. You will see this in few years. Then battery costs will be less and companies will also give like 8 years warranty to customers. There will still be people complaining that warranty should be 10 years and cost should be even less, but majority consumers will move to EVs and petrol Scooters and bikes would make no sense.

[@kaustubhkelkar6651]

When shumi was talking about the brick in underseat, l seriously thought he is going make the sound "KhabaDa KhabaDa". 😂

[@motorinc]

Well, @kaustubhkelkar6651, if you can hear it without us saying it, we've done our job 🤣

[@take-in]

@@motorinc i have not heard it, but it beggars belief that ather wants to hammer it into our heads that if you try to save a few rupees and buy an S, then we will not stop telling you about it - whose brainfade led to keeping that moving part in an unlined container?

[@rahulmooley3298]

I am always surprised to see how strong of a foothold Ather has managed to gain. If I remember correctly, they're behind TVS and OLA who is the market leader. The price makes no no no sense to me and the subscription is a big turn-off but I still see them on the road all the time. Must be a really good product.

[@motorinc]

Indeed! It *is* a really good product for sure!

[@suguvicky]

"Motorinc view" is excellent. Short and crisp. Just to the point. Need a lot more "motorinc view" on various cars and bikes and evs from you!!!

[@motorinc]

Thank you @suguvicky! Request noted!

[@iGuruCrazy]

This video really gives me the vibes of Mac Vs PC. High quality, airy and calm

[@SudhaKiranGsk]

My friend bought a 450x a couple days ago. It's been a great ride but few software niggles exist It's showing "factory mode" dialogue overlay and its not going away and the dealership don't know how to fix it The touch response on this (maybe this particular) vehicle is bad to say the least. Felt like using a decade old ATM There's a noticeable whine at around 15-25kmph, it's so unsettling, maybe it'll go away after the components break-in (or it's a feature to alert pedestrians,idk🤔) Hey, BTW we i asked the sales person on more about the vehicle and its perks over is competition, he gave a well rounded explanation, later i found a notebook lying around where they took notes. Found some of the points in them which you guys discussed in previous videos So they are listening to you guys😅

[@motorinc]

Oh no! We hope this gets solved soon! And if you need help, do ping us. The whine is normal for Athers though. They're a bit vocal, they've always been.

[@abirpramanik]

Hey Since fame 2 ending in march end Hero veda plus give 19k extra less , so effective price is 1.05 lakh onroad if buy from Flipkart.. my daily journey around 30km office... is it good to invest

[@ankithhebbar7542]

absolutely! I don't own a vida but I rented one for a month. Make sure you have a service center close by. Also, one problem that I saw was that the throttle was tight.. took extra effort to twist. If throttle needs extra effort for long duration of time, it can be a problem for wrists over time. This could be purely a mechanical issue and perhaps only with my model. Check in a showroom nearby if you like the throttle. Also, don't expect performance like ather. vida is very mild mannered. it is keyless btw..

[@motorinc]

Hey Abir! Unfortunately, we haven't had a Vida on test at all, and not for the lack of asking. So we can't tell you whether this electric scooter is worth investing in or not. For a 30km run to office, we'd think the Ather 450S would work though - if it is available where you are.

[@motorinc]

Good points, Ankith! Not sure about the throttle. We did ride the Vida very briefly at the Hero R&D centre a long time ago and the throttle felt normal.

[@abirpramanik]

@@ankithhebbar7542 thanks.. yeh whol howrah distributor Showroom near my house with in 1km .. that's why .. I use as daily base so no need super performance..

[@abirpramanik]

@@motorinc no ather is not available near my house it ola and Veda

[@Rzn1048]

I bought the 450s for 1.39k its totally worth it

[@sewerrat]

Subscription only means that you own nothing. You don't get to use what you bought and paid for unless you shell out extra money. Definitely not for me; I'll discourage everyone around me from buying this product.

[@motorinc]

Good to know! Since we recorded this, we did get to ride a no-subscription 450S though. And it wasn't bad at all, TBH.

[@sewerrat]

@@motorinc I'm sure the quality of the product is not compromised and I trust the motorinc team to give us nothing but honest, informed reviews. It's just that people are often ignorant of the subscription package that comes along with it. It could be really annoying since we, as customers (not consumers), expect to own the product that we're paying for. In my case, I'd pay the premium if I could get that without having to subscribe to my own vehicle.

[@Dheeeeraj]

Looking at the comments, it's pretty clear no one's a fan of these Subscription models. Ather please come up with a better plan. Simplify the purchase. The more complications a customer faces during a purchase, the harder it is to sell in huge numbers.

[@Noel.B.J]

Hi MotorInc I am Actually confused By the fact that what's the difference between ather 450s and ola s series I need take the desicision to buy my first ever scooter

[@motorinc]

We don't recommend Olas at all. Get the 450S, it's excellent!

[@farazshayk5355]

Yes! Very Reliable up until i experienced Power loss followed by a immediate halt on the Highway due to Failed throttle on my 450x

[@haridarshan2472]

92 ki speed pe bhagta mera 450 s in sports mode best pichup

[@anuvardhank.n3337]

Shumi has no shadow. Hating this change in aesthetic.

[@subraaaanshu]

Loving these ‘View(s)’!! Frankly, felt a lack of variety in long form content in the last couple of months but this is refreshing and exciting! Can't wait for more! P.s. very desperately waiting for ThisConnect S2

[@motorinc]

Great to hear! We are working on ThisConnect S02. Stay tuned!

[@deepaksomayya]

Sir I believe ,Few Improvement Required for Ather Scooter are following 1) Range : 125 -135Km per Charge would have been good . 2) The subscription model is very Confusing . 3) Broad Seat would have been better . 4) Battery Warranty, Competition gives 8Yr .

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your perspective Deepak!

[@Cristroxx]

I agree

[@vignesh_DrInstincts]

Subscription model - Every automobile company now wants to be an internet company. Subscription is fine until the core functionality is not brought in. Future is all about convenience and expenses for that

[@motorinc]

Spot on! Thanks Vignesh!

[@siddharthmakawana1569]

Never been a ev person and don't think it will change anytime soon....

[@motorinc]

♥️

[@ketankadam5669]

It's a premium little toy. I don't want to worry about and care much about my scooter all the time. Or it's charging t&c, or leaving it where i want. These so called conneted scooters are targeting only the enthusiasts, where is the true activa/access replacement?

[@motorinc]

If you don't wan to care, or worry about charging, you should continue to look at ICEs, @ketankadam5669. Electric scooters aren't at a place where you can ride them around as casually as you would an ICE.

[@ketankadam5669]

@@motorinc that's what I did and will do till I can. Enjoy the petrol while it lasts.

[@Youknowwho56847]

i alwys thght Evs would be cheaper than their ICE counterparts since they have so mch less material and parts going into them.. I was really worng... but this is a good product.. and its surprising that a scooter is producing almst the same torq as an enfield... in the future i believe we wil be running to wall scokets for evrthng mobiles laptops scooter pencils pens earphones cars bikes.. it will be a task to remember to chrge all your tools...

[@amllemans]

Hello, could you please explain the same regarding the Ather 450 plus. How is it compared to the 450s? Because I've purchased the 450plus model for a year and a half now and am really concerned regarding it..

[@sathieshchandar6187]

The very idea of bringing premium features like touch screen, connected mode, navigation etc., etc., is to give a premium stature to the bike and position it above even the high end ICE bikes. In this process, these EV manufacturers make good money. In reality, these bikes are not worth even 70% of present prices. For e.g the battery prices have dropped from $180/Kwh to $130/Kwh in the past 3 years. This is the reason why government is pruning the subsidy. That is the reason why EV makers are able to cut prices, in spite of lesser subsidy. In future, the battery prices are likely to drop further and may reach $60/Kwh by 2029.This means the prices of EV bikes may drop further by 30%. Also the replacement cost of batteries will be considerably lesser in future. All EV makers know that there will be hectic competition by that time and hence their margins get thinnervous and thinner. So all EV makers are trying to make hay when the sunshines, and try to get maximum profits at the earliest.

[@ccviralvideo2023]

Don't buy ather if you have back pain.. it will increase many fold

[@j.r.ranjan313]

My motorcycle gives me 680 or 700 k.m in a full tank. Considering it it a scooter and it cannot match a motorcycle, it should give 300 a charge im ok with it

[@ranjit4382]

Ather is not a good scooter as shown in KZbin channels just browse on twitter and forums about owner facing pathetic experience with service cost and service experience ather calls and forces customers to delete the bad review and complaints posted on social media platforms by owners in return to give next service free

[@jubinsinghal]

It's a great product but I won't put my money in it just yet coz I feel the obselecence curve is hit way too early. I keep my vehicles like 7-8 years so range drop is a 'fear' I am not willing to take.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your perspective Jubin!

[@waterfire9667]

Electric scooters should stop.giving gimmicky features and concentrate on giving better true range. Please do a video.on simple one

[@jaik9321]

Horrible bike the updates are killing us, from yesterday around 4pm till morning next day it was hanging sad😢

[@danielvipin7163]

If its expensive looks weird and people are buying them. Then it's a good product.

[@saikatCANsing]

review 450s without pro pack...i want to know the details of it cause ather dont give any description about what pro pack dont provides and without pro pack the scooter work on which mode and battery status !

[@motorinc]

Hey @saikatCANsing! We did get a proper test ride on it - you’ll see a short soon. It works as a product. We didn’t miss the features too much and it works more or less like a current ICE scooter in airplane mode. We wish the charge remaining indication was more helpful - it’s just a “fuel gauge” where the graph slowly counts down. But that aside we did enjoy the ride and it’s well worth considering.

[@JimBob-ly6er]

In the USA insurance companies are able to extract vehicle ride info directly from the EV and guess what Premiums just magically went up. Don't support EVs or the subscription model.

[@motorinc]

That's going to happen to all vehicles in time, Jim. Insurance guys love data and the ways to collect evermore data are growing. It does help them fine-tune premiums and sometimes that does suck too. But we don't think there's a way you avoid that reality, no matter what's under the hood.

[@JimBob-ly6er]

@@motorinc But it's gonna be difficult on the old school ICE vehicles but effortless on newer EV's.

[@motorinc]

Just a matter of time Jim before ICEs get as connected as the EVs. Just see the Euro5+ norms coming next year. They’re not connected yet but tracking’s going to start.

[@vlramnghaka]

450 series Size is a Joke for me.😂. It's not a bad design though.. it's so tiny, ergonomics are so bad. Ather's really need to rework the design as well as the size relative to bigger rider. Until then, its a no for me. I prefer the Indie over 450 the ergonomics and "rider to scooter proportion" is much much better. Ather did well in almost every aspect except size and ergonomics.

[@motorinc]

Yes, this is a good point. And it's not an uncommon thought either!

[@paroxymal7688]

only city commute ? Age below 40? Buy it.

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽 Why 40 @paroxymal7688?

[@dr.ranadhishrajan2797]

Would like to know if the Access 125 will be fun to ride or not as compared to these electric scooters. There's going to be a scooter purchase at our home after selling our 13 yr old Activa. And my father is against electric scooters 😂. So we've decided for an Access 125. Will it be a good purchase?

[@motorinc]

Yes! The Access is the most fun (and a great) family scooter right from the start! Go for it, Doc!

[@dr.ranadhishrajan2797]

​@@motorincohkay🎉

[@3mmbgmi]

I've 40km commute. Which one shall I buy

[@Md_saad7]

In 450s the indication of sound and reverse sound is not working? Does anyone know how to fix it? I have also rebooted.

[@ashutoshmahapatra537]

Yup same, it looks like they have removed buzzer thats responsible for that.

[@skj_17_]

No other automobile YT channel videos are as polished and refreshing as yours *Just loving it* ❤

[@imonbanerjee2997]

And here I test drove a multistrada 🤭🤭🤭🤭 (Shumi triggered)

[@aryanp3659]

Man i bought 450x just yesterday Was it a good decision?😅

[@motorinc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/raa7dml3opWFgMUfeature=shared Congratulations!!

[@Drstrange12345]

Yes...450x is better...

[@MrSrijit]

Propack gives you riding modes inc regen and extra 2 years of battery warranty for a total of 5 years. What happens after 5 years? Subscription makes it sound like a Jio monthly plan.

[@motorinc]

After 5 years - as it is with _all warranties_ @MrSrijit - you pay for whatever needs to be fixed or replaced.

[@MrSrijit]

@@motorinc Well, then where is the subscription coming in? The dealer in my town says that they dont have subscriptions but only the propacks

[@motorinc]

We don't know but let's see what Ather announces on April 6 -- they have an event coming

[@MrSrijit]

@@motorinc Got my Ather 450s in April. It came with a felt bag for the portable charger. Dealer in Trivandrum, Kerala

[@haridasification]

Excellent analysis plus 450s is a bad product

[@motorinc]

Please explain?

[@chandanacharjee3424]

Please review the new hero xtream 125 r

[@motorinc]

In the works, Chandan!

[@ankitgupta5039]

Rs90lagata h fast charging me 1.5hr ka. Abhi to tax bhi nahi h. Mereko to ather bekar lag raha h

[@gokulwazowski7461]

Please review the Honda CB300r Please 🫵

[@gokulwazowski7461]

Please review the Honda CB300r Please 🫵

[@gokulwazowski7461]

Please review the Honda CB300r Please 🫵

[@gokulwazowski7461]

Please review the Honda CB300r Please 🫵

[@limguishengphotography]

Price tag is the only issues with ather products

[@Cool_Rider25]

Hi everyone, apart from this review by our expert, I wanted to add a review , especially I am driving one of the latest Ather450Apex scooter . Below is my REALITY FEEDBACK after 1000+ kms within 1 month. IN Sport mode - (max speed in this mode is around 90 + kmph) 0.5675 kms per percent / 1.7619 percent charge per km = 45 km range for 80% charge (condition: highway ride at 70 to 80 kmph) (charging time from 0 to 80 % = 140 mins - using ather grid fast charger) Ride Mode - (max speed in this mode is 65 kmph) 0.8863 kms per percent / 1.1282 percent charge per km = 70 km range for 80% charge (condition: highway ride at 60 kmph) (charging time from 0 to 80 % = 120 mins minimum - using ather grid fast charger i.e 30 mins per 20 % charge ) I will put the above notes in an understandable manner : after riding constantly in sport mode for 20 mins at 80kmph (which is faster than most scooter and a enjoyable speed) the scooter speed does reduce to 65 to 70 kmph due to thermal issues . But this is not really a big thing for someone who rides in locals. It will be an issue for someone who is constantly riding more than 25 to 30 km distance in one go. Overall 70 kms range in Ride Mode minimum and 45 kms range in sport mode minimum . If you ride in 40 to 50 kmph then you will get like 5 to 10 kms extra that's the maximum. This is the truth. As for the fun aspect it is very very quick , as I said earlier the speed will drop if you drive at 80+ to about below 65 after 20 mins of sport or warp mode. That you all have to remember. Other things i want to add is that the scooter will keep on going faster right from the go 0 to 80 very quick and above that to a 100 just a little slow not as slow as a petrol powered scooter. About charging : there are two levels of charging : from 0 to 80% it will take 3.45 hours and from 80 to 100 percent another 2 hours total of 5.45 hours as the company claims , IN Public charging it will take 30 mins per 20% charge approximately , so for 0-80% in public charger you will have to wait for a total of 120 min s minimum , otherwise if you are charging at home it won't be a issue as you can take rest and take the vehicle outside after a Slow 100% charging, So you have to wait around 120 to 160 mins for charging from completely empty 0% to 80 % in a public charger for those who are going far distances this will be a concern , i have travelled between Chennai and Puducherry which is a total of approx 140 + 140 kms , So in reality when you drive 40 kms in RIDE mode (which is the mode you have to go in Long DISTANCE) you will lose 40 to 50% charge , hence i mentioned already you will have to wait for around 80 mins for this charge to come for example from 30 to 80%, so you ride for 40 mins and wait for 80 mins so for every 40kms distance you will spend 120 mins in total , imagine for 140kms how much i would have spend , So up and down i spent a total of 15 hours of travel instead of 7 hours of travel in a petrol scooter. this is the difference Between Electric and Petrol and electric scooter in Range Wise review of mine.

[@Mr.G2000]

Hello, My father 53 years old and mother 50 years old for the first decided to switch to a scooter current options I am considering are ather 450s, ather rizta and Suzuki avenis budget is around 1.8 lakhs comfort and reliability are key and can wait for a few months but we do not have a ather dealership in our town there is one around 30 kms from our town so what do you suggest?

[@motorinc]

Why don’t you ping us after the Rizta is out (that’s May for media previews)? We’re sure we can help solve this. Meantime, why suggest you take your dad and mum and get test rides on the Avenis and 450S?

[@loseweightusingketo]

​@@motorincwas going to suggest the same.

[@nikhilbhansalis]

Went to the showroom today to test drive it and order it. The rep told me 450S stopped production last month 😅 and no stock available. Wondering if it's due to fame 2 subsidy or if they're discontinuing this model.

[@suryajibhosale4378]

I wanted to replace my 15 years ICE scooter hence wanted to buy EV, no commute as such but daily distance may be around 10KM max, I live in a tire 2/3 city having 10KM radius. In my city most selling is TVS iQube and then OLA. TVS had very bad Regen experience and also it costed around 1.5 L. OLA feels toyish, OLA showroom exp was horrible. Took rides of all 3, Ather s/x was way better than OLA and TVS. I choose Ather S over X 1. Range - 90 vs 110 Km, my daily ride may be 10 max. 20 kms is hardly any difference for me. 2. Price - S costed me 1.3 with all the packages, X was around 1.6 to 1.7 3. Dashboard - My kid is 4 so I did NOT want touchscreen, also you don’t need to use Google maps in a small city like ours 4. Battery size - I wanted small battery size which is giving more range ( efficiency) , in case if I need to change battery after 5 years. OLA and TVS has bigger batteries with same range. TVS has 3.4 whereas Ather S has 2.7. 5. Ride - I did not feel any difference in S and X, I will check now again since you mentioned this. 6. Warp Mode - This did not have that much weightage while choosing.

[@8a10.arpitasinhasinha3]

should i go with pro pack of ather 450s by paying 13k extra?

[@motorinc]

You don't get most, if not all, of the intelligent features if you don't get the Pro Pack so if you can afford to, consider getting it.

[@AmitK]

before I watch the whole video i tell you buying 450S was a mistake , because I miss warp mode . it gives 70km in sports mode (you actually get only 60km even with regen on) and no quick charging is killing me.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your perspective Amit!

[@bonmec101]

I want to buy Ather because I like electric and electric is future no matter how much media or anything tells you otherwise or how much brain washed you’re. The ride on Ather was very good. That’s how it should be. Instant throttle response. Remove all the ICE and transmission lag. It was Smooth. No Vibrations. I may use it less than 100km a week. ICE makes more sense for my requirement but still..

[@bhargavk1515]

Did I hear "Riding modes need subscription" I don't fking understand? Just include 10 years subscription with model don't keep it seperate and including that the price should be 1.1L. The sheer word subscription turns off the mood...

[@aminsama]

I want to buy a bike for daily commute to office, around 40kms in Bangalore traffic, I'm 6'3 and with the budget of ~ 2 - 2.5L(including seconds). please suggest me some good bike. my priorities are : Good braking Ergonomic for my chronic back Nimble for slow moving traffic

[@sridharpc4270]

I come across "Pro pack & Pro pack insurance" for 450X HR I pay ₹8560 for Comprehensive insurance (external damages) for my vehicle. The Pro pack is optional and costs ₹23,078. When purchasing the Pro pack for ₹23,078, you are offered "Dash board features, connectivity, and extra warranty for 2 years plus 30k km." To get all these features, I'm paying ₹23,078 for Pro pack and above this "If I face any software issue you would rather assist me with software update or simple restart method to get started" where do I need "Pro pack insurance for ₹1146" where your responsibility is solely for software issues (by update)? Customer says: Pro Pack Insurance is an add-on that specifically covers software issues of the vehicle, providing comprehensive protection. "Pro pack insurance", sounds groundless or not?

[@vinishshetty8055]

Indian EV makers should send these electric scooters to Ukraine, Just in case.

[@motorinc]

🤔

[@soumava.j]

We Really Need A Indepth Of The River Indie Cuz Just Cancelled 450 For That "Pro Subscription" Thing🙂👍🏻

[@anirbanpaul2806]

Now i am just waiting for tvs video

[@tanvirzari2440]

Using the Ather 450x Series 1 for the past 2 and half years, with similar battery pack as the 450s i.e 2.9kwh. 40500 km done and i m getting around 90 kms per charge that too in sports mode i.e city & highway rides, my everyday commuteis around 50 kms. No major issues till now as far as battery motor is concerned, but my both the callipers failed at 30k kms and ather service centre does not have the refurbishment kit for them. they said full calipers need replacement costing around 2.5 k each. overall very happy with the service as i have the service pack till june this year, but my friends are complaining of very steep service and parts prices. Other day my collegue replaced a horn switch on his 450x and it cost him 500 rupees, thats exorbitant..... hopefully subscription willbe back till my gets over......

[@kennethcoutinho4439]

Jokers 9 hrs charging time...also old tech better is a chinese 72 volt....abroad bike using 600 volt....

[@motorinc]

Which bike are you referring to Kenneth?

[@kennethcoutinho4439]

@@motorinc okaya 72volt Tiranga is 60 volt joy ebike also 72 volts..higher voltage means faster charging. I'm using a battre one non license bike 60 volt battery. When I went electric never knew that higher voltage is better, bike was 48 volts then got battre one to change battery to 60 volt as the controller had a selection 48 v or 60 volt ...torque and pick up also increased.

[@user-vg3ev7ph1i]

The actual top speed verified by gps is 80 but it displays 90. I guess when you have screen and software you can display anything

[@vivekvk452]

Not worried about subscription model because Indian engineers, tuners, technicians and programmers are the best in the world and will be able to pull off something like they did with playstations.

[@thekakan]

This is not related to the Aether, but what are your thoughts on replaceable batteries, like in Vida? I want to own a scooter for more than 5 years, or even 10 years if it works just as good. No reason to replace something if it works well. That's currently not an option with most electric 2 wheelers since you can't replace the batteries. I feel like our world is moving towards a once-use throw away kind of thing, like we do with toys. I guess that's just what happens when we are affluent. But still, I hope for a good electric 2 wheeler with a replaceable battery... _and without subscriptions_

[@mskworld1]

Another subscription we forgot to talk about is the subscription to a good orthopaedic doctor, cz you'll visit him often after buying this piece of 😅

[@vamshci9898]

1. Is ola s1x+ worth buying for 96k ( asking because heard of heating and reliability issues ) or is it better to increase budget and get an ather 450s/450x. 2.ather 450s vs ola s1 pro gen2 Which is better to buy ?

[@saurabhaswale2420]

That saree guard is so atrocious😢. It is always eyesore for good looking vehicle. And worse part is I can't remove it from my R15 🤦🏻

[@motorinc]

Yes but is the law. But why can't you remove it from your R15? What's the problem?

[@saurabhaswale2420]

@@motorinc It is useless on R15😅 and It's welded to the tyre hugger. Don't want to to remove the the tyre hugger. And cutting will make it look worse.

[@SoniJigar]

Hello!! Thank you for your lovely reviews. Was wondering if you could help me. I'm currently using a 12 year old Aviator which has done about 30k kms till date. I don't use the scooter everyday and at times 15 - 20kms in a day with my wife & kid. What scooter would u recommend for a user like me? I am flexible with my budget. A comfortable ride is a priority. Ok to go with either 110, 125 or 160 cc options. Also should I consider waiting for a couple of years as the 2 wheeler market is changing. Thank you in advance!! Cheers!

[@ChrisBOMtoATL]

Now that the Aprilia 457 have started to show up in showrooms for test rides in Mumbai, I hope to see a Motorinc View on that motorcycle the way it was magical on the Duke 390 gen 3. Still the best summary of what Duke 390 is in its new Avatar ❤.

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

Why would Ather not clear the Air!!! Shots fired...

[@motorinc]

❤️

[@sjvlogs2609]

Hi i recently bought ather 450s but i don't know how to enable indicator sound so plz if anyone can help me out thank you

[@kgeaswaran]

It is a rebadging of 450X gen 2 without the touchscreen and warp mode and no Bluetooth if there's no pro mode.

[@amalronaldo]

Don't go for bikes with subscription models

[@motorinc]

We really hope not now or ever. Functioning of economy says change is inevitable, unless majority of people reject the products which are subscription based. We hope voice becomes stronger to avoid this transition of subscription model.

[@ankn01]

EV is still a miss. The build quality is joke what i have seen. Instead of mobile that has two tyre , companies need to build a vehicle with smartphone.

[@motorinc]

For many of them, absolutely yes, @ankn01. But the Athers, TVS', Bajaj and River ones we've seen and used for reasonable times are as goo as any other scooter on the market.

[@ankn01]

@@motorinc they will remain forever urban explorer. Until unless battery swaps become a reality.

[@rocketman9316]

Lmao I love the jab at Ola 😬👌

[@PraveenShah-k5f]

I am looking for some known good brands slow speed electric scooter for my dad (senior Citizen)

[@kanthdl9792]

Why you guys didnt make review on honda cb350 , eagerly waiting ..pls make it

[@sahajkapoor9017]

Can we talk about are EV's really clean; in the upcoming episodes!

[@PankajGNandi]

I'm of those rare breed of #PROPACK in my @atherenergy 450x! 💚

[@rajatdusa950]

Hi !! TOTALL unrelated question could you please mention the name of the bg song in this vid ? Its an absolute banger !!

[@FoxyCAMTV]

This guy dresses immaculately.

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much!

[@cruze86]

Mehenga roye ek baar Sasta roye baar baar I hope the audience gets the answer to this video😂

[@motorinc]

So you think the 450X is a better buy @cruze86?

[@Varad_Kulkarni_21]

Honda NX500/CB350 First impressions coming or not ?

[@iramkhan7384]

Shumi, Can we get a R15 v4 vs Honda CBR150R video?

[@harshavardhanrajug6334]

We need a similar video about the Ather 450 Apex waiting ........

[@newswithswapnil39]

Very very nice discussion I always respects and like your true thoughts thanks sir really

[@indianjafar.4141]

This is battery down complaint gadi

[@motorinc]

Please explain what you mean?