Ather 450S First Ride Impressions

Ather's created a new entry price point into their range with the introduction of the 450S. It looks the same as the more expensive 450X but it has a smaller battery with 90km of range and a clever LCD screen instead of the touchscreen on the X. Ather also uses this smaller battery and lower output motor output configuration to create the Ather 450X middle model which is kinda confusing for sure. Kartikeya and Shumi are discussing the new model and the confusion/opportunity it represents on MotorInc First.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:14 What's the Ather 450S For?
04:35 Time For a Design Change?
06:33 The 7-inch LCD Screen
08:34 New Switchgear
10:07 The new 450X 2.9kWh Model
11:36 Regen During Coasting
12:35 Connectivity Updates
14:25 ProPack & Fast Charging
16:01 Who Should Buy a 450S
18:37 Versus Which ICE Scooters?
19:42 Getting Confusing!
20:55 New Software Features
22:08 Subscriptions Are Hard To Accept
24:55 Scooters Used To be Simple!
26:08 Which Ather Would Shumi Buy
27:18 Will the 450S Outsell 450X?
28:07 Ather 450S Summary
29:33 Closing Comments
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[@midhunmanohar]

I am liking this format of your videos more now. It's a pleasure watching you two having a real world conversation like a normal person than a reviewer.

[@motorinc]

Thank you Midhun!

[@abhisheksoni2980]

I love how shumi's oratory is so right on the money, that the editor can simply pick out key points from his free flowing conversation and highlight them.😊 The gift of brevity and precision is a precious one!

[@motorinc]

Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!

[@freny09]

An automotive review - just uses images for B-roll - pretends to be a podcast on A-rolls - talk sensible stuff rather than parroting press releases - and I'm loving every bit of it. You guys are setting a new standard for automotive journalism the world over. I wouldn't be surprised to see this channel becoming a go to for knowing about the Indian market. Just brilliant stuff.

[@motorinc]

Heya! Thanks a lot for that shout out! It’s awesome for us to know you are there and enjoying your time with us.

[@nightwheeler26]

I'm a motoring enthusiast and an aspiring automotive designer, currently studying in Bangalore, and literally everyone I know simply loves the Ather. How it handles, its suspension, how narrow it is, how it zips across traffic. I just want to know how they're planning to expand their charging network, because I feel that's the only thing that's holding back their growth, because the product is easily top notch.

[@motorinc]

Ather's network in Bengaluru is pretty huge anyway and they're quite intent on expanding their fast charger setup in whichever city they open dealers in.... please do check out Ather's website for details, they're usually quite clear on many of these things

[@nightwheeler26]

@@iamreddy969 not of over priced things. And yes i agree that the battery is kinda small, but the quality and driving feel of the Ather is reaaallyyyy good. Miles ahead of the slogs like Ola.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@iamreddy969 yep. The belt snaps once every year or two and the range is garbage.

[@TheFourthWinchester]

Nobody I know likes the suspension. It's very very hard on your spine.

[@nightwheeler26]

@@TheFourthWinchester well, I respect your opinion but i genuinely love it. It's super communicative, and leans and handles like a dream. It's a sporty scooter so I can understand that its tuned a bit hard, and that stiffness is super useful while cornering.

[@swaroopraghunath]

This is TeamBhP on KZbin 🙂 Absolutely enjoying every video . No noise and simple yet brilliant content with a thought flow like a peaceful drive on the highway 👏👏

[@mmb5859]

Oh please.. not tbhp.... Don't downgrade Motorinc.

[@motorinc]

♥️

[@mmb5859]

@@motorinc wow.. you actually read a reply made to a comment?

[@motorinc]

Um... isn't that what you're supposed to do with them?

[@burnttoast9890]

​@@mmb5859I'm assuming that you either got banned or have a chip on your shoulder

[@anupe1]

I concur with the points made. As an Ather 450x owner, I can verify their subpar after-sales service. In the last two months, Ather has transformed into a SAAS-like company, charging for various aspects. This is troubling considering my initial investment of 1.72 lakh rupees for the scooter. Ather's current offerings: >Emergency Support: 999/- >Connected features (App + Ride Stats, etc.): 1999/- for 3 years >Charging: 1/- per minute >Additionally, scooter parts are exorbitantly priced. For instance, replacing a single side of the rear-view mirror cost me 749 rupees recently. Not far are the days when instead will change its users for riding the scooter. Fin!

[@TRoy098]

Quality of content is a given considering these two gentlemen are on screen. But my god, THE AESTHETICS!!! Just so freaking classy❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!

[@raihanmuhimtule6245]

Motor Inc Videos > Every other videos on KZbin. Every video of yours is so therapeutic. Thank you for such content!!!!!

[@motorinc]

Wow, thank you!

[@RishalRaj]

I have been loving this format of review before a review. I think it is allowing for Shumi and Kinghee to ask questions of the other, from an experienced place, that brings out the relevant parts, while still being a fresh First Impression. Great Work! P.S. - Doth my eyes deceive me? What bet did Shumi lose that made him wear a Steelbird?

[@aadirao9401]

I had a very interesting experience with the Ather 450X, in that I didn't own it, but rented it out for 2 months from an EV rental startup here in Bangalore. Since I was renting it, there was no 'home charger' set up for me, and I was fully reliant on the fast charging network. On the whole, I wouldn't call it a pleasant experience. There were countless times when I had 5kms left on my Ather and the nearest charging port was 5kms away, and those made for some really stressful rides (I would feather the throttle for a few moments and then coast for as long as possible). There were times when I reached the fast charger only to realize that it wasn't working, or there was an hour's wait to use it. I guess most of these problems would be solved if I had owned it and had a home charger. But personally, I would rather choose a non-EV scooter and have the peace of mind of knowing that there will always be a petrol pump around the corner. Range anxiety can be a very real thing, as it was in my case!

[@motorinc]

Hey Aadi! Interesting. Guessing you were in an apartment complex? How has your transition back to a regular scooter been?

[@mohdkhajanaseeruddin537]

Super insight on where the industry is heading...great work Motorinc!

[@motorinc]

Thanks MKN!

[@Mankiratsinghsehra]

You guys have the best moto news/review channel on the planet right now, love each video

[@motorinc]

Hey MS! That is so awesome to hear! Thank you!

[@spandanjadhav3340]

God do I love this format ! Great job guys !

[@motorinc]

Glad to hear it! thanks SJ!

[@PhilipBallGarry]

Excellent review. The reverse function needs to be a "double tap" with the first tap simply being ignored. Maybe an easy firmware update could fix this?

[@platokick1]

Everawesome video as always! Keep it going, folks ❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks so much!

[@TheHarshitgoraya]

I've read the 450s has slimmer (2020-21 ather 450x) tyres, which helps it with the range. Pictures show that too!

[@motorinc]

Good catch Harshit! The X has the 100/90-12 at the back whereas the S has the 90/90-12, just like the front

[@saligramvishwanath1]

Superb conversation.. very very logically put.. I'm one of those who like all the gadgety things that 450x gives like the TFT screen, google maps visualisation but okay with 90km real range.. So I have actually changed my pre-order from 450S to a 450X 2.9kW.. I suspect going by the market's love for touchscreens etc., 450X 2.9kW might do quite well too..

[@motorinc]

It makes sense for those with low mileage commutes.

[@harishdeshpande1159]

Happy Independence Day Motorinc!! Wish you continue growing in reach and depth, we as a nation need you.

[@motorinc]

Hey Harish! Happy Independence Day to you too! And, ❤️. Thank you.

[@sanketwalopkar1094]

1. Charging per minute of fast charger seems clever. But I think Ather is playing a trick here. I own a Gen3 450X. And earlier it used to charge from 0-80% with constant speed. Since billing started, they charge up to 70% with regular speed. But for 70 to 80 it takes 20 min. Really slower. And since you need to pay for the time you used the charger, not for the electricity units consumption, you end up paying more. In terms of numbers, last week I plugged in at 15% and disconnected at 76% (reluctantly). It took 58 min. By the speed mentioned on the Ather website 1.5km/min, I could even charge from 0 to 80 in

[@motorinc]

Hey Sanket! That’s interesting. Has this happened repeatedly? Have you brought this up with Ather? Would be good to have their take on it. And thanks a ton for sharing here. Would be great if other users could also share their take. Appreciate it!

[@TheAkshayBhagat]

Charging Per Minutes accha idea nahi hai kyuki Maine abtak (8 months me) 15-16 Grids use kiye hai sab jagah same speed nahi milti. Abhi recent ka hi 18 Aug (60min 67% + 10min 3%😵‍💫) 19 Aug (40min 55%) aur 21 Aug (45min 50-52%)

[@abhirajram]

This video addressed so many of my queries and more!

[@raunakvarma4988]

Best review of the new ather.. these guys are so so so so good . This is literally the top gear of India. You guy's are in your element and it's such a god dam awesome format. You are getting the best motor information in India. This is international level.. just so good. My only question is why don't they have 100 million followers already .. this is just logical..

[@motorinc]

Hey Raunak! That energy is all we need! Thanks for sharing it with us.

[@prakashsubbanna]

Such a beautiful & sane conversation, putting everything in perspective. Mind you they did not even walk around the scooter. These two know their stuff. Great Oratory skills/ very crisp. 🙏

[@motorinc]

Hey Prakash! Thank you for taking time out to write in. Means a lot!

[@SudheendraKaranam]

My father stopped using scooter 5 years back after stunt (he is 70 now) as he was scared to pull back the bike from parking which should add to his strain. Last year one of my friend got Ather and I was super impressed with reverse with touchscreen. I immediately thought of buying one for my father and asked him; he had already adjusted his lifestyle to ordering evening snack by Zomato/ swigy; made friend with auto person who can come with prior appointments if not Ola/ Uber I guess he would have continued to use scooter even now if we were aware of revers / parking assist. Information is everything 😊

[@motorinc]

Thanks... that's a very insightful story for us.... and we do hope you can convince dad to get back on it!

[@vinayakmulye625]

I think Athers design is timeless. It was always ahead of its time. Also, undoubtedly 450 is the best E- product in the market 😊.

[@motorinc]

Agreed on both counts! But eventually, even the Ducati 916 needed to be updated 😊

[@zubinmujawar1]

Genuine, precise and informative feedbacks and not just promotional marketing of the products like other channels. Really enjoying this format from MotorInc...🔥 Request please also share Ola products feedbacks.

[@sradhasumandas]

& I thought what’s there to talk about scooters, but I’m surprised to discover such aspects of commutes… also guys Kudos to Shumi & Rishab for doing 55 & 80 kms daily. Your work is inspiring, incredible and I am so proud to be a part of this

[@motorinc]

Thanks SSD!

[@rakshithnb]

First of all, kudos to the entire team for this new format.. in love with it❤️ Also I have a question, I am in the market for a scooter for my father who is a senior citizen, his daily usage is around 15-20km. Should I consider the electric scooters Athers or the TVS iQube? Or should I go for the ICE scooter? Thank you in advance!

[@motorinc]

The iQube S with no touchscreen and softer suspension will probably work better for your father, Rakshith

[@prasannarajab8356]

Is it worth Buying 450s after extra 20k Offer which they announced Today...??

[@psavansun]

I watched this video before and after buying Ather 450S, can relate everything what they said. More informative compared to sales person in showroom.

[@motorinc]

Wow! Thanks Psavansun! That's awesome!

[@kabiramalhar2189]

Hi, Great video. Cleared a lot of things for me. A question: can you please suggest me if Suzuki Avenis 125 is good to go against Ntorq for an all round performance?

[@motorinc]

Yes it can! The Race XP is a bit quicker but the Avenis is a very nice scooter.... and not slow!

[@satyaharighosh8855]

Happy independence day 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@harisankarsiddantapu8976]

Happy independence day brother

[@motorinc]

The entire MotorInc Team wishes you the same, SG!

[@proplayer-fy4iq]

Jai hind

[@me.atul10]

What do you think about auto hold feature for hilly areas? Should it be given as standard feature? Will it boost sales of these scooters?

[@strudlepeek]

This mode of review is amazing and calm, i can even put on my earphones and cook while listening to the discussion. @MotorInc i am really waiting for your review on Hero Vida electric scooter as well. love the Ather 450 but removable batteries is what i am looking for.

[@motorinc]

Thank you! We're waiting for Hero's test bikes to come

[@Anonymous-my5ud]

Hey man love your videos❤ Can you make 1 podcast about RE Hunter 350 as I know you didn't like the bike at all. Still it became bike of the year. I want to understand the reason behind both these questions. I am also planning to buy this bike as my budget is 2L and can't exceed that and I like retro sports kind of bikes. I am a 24 year old working man.

[@thesurgeonsblog2567]

Can we take the pro pack on Ather s later or it can be taken only at the initial purchase

[@thunder4276]

I am looking for preowned kawasaki z800 ,can you suggest price i should pay if the bike is in good condition?

[@mr.toffee1344]

Shumi. Need a help. I am confused between Ola S1 pro 2nd gen and Ather 450x. Which one to opt for? I have a daily commute of 60 kms in pune. With Highway distance of almost 24 km one way. Would be riding at 75, 80 speed. I am anxious of range and I am leaning towards ola. So need your opinion on what to purchase.

[@jaydeepsoni294]

At current time what will you suggest between 450s and s1air

[@mehebubb]

Please do the same type of episode for Ola Electric. It's much needed!

[@motorinc]

Can do!

[@mr.toffee1344]

I guess the correct question is can Ather provide a large battery with good management system which can sustain continuous Highway speed of say 75 to 80 kmph even though this means that the actual range you get is somewhere in the ball park of 60 to 65% hence a bigger battery pack will ensure acceptable range with ice level maintenable speeds

[@tuhinguha434]

Been waiting so long for 450S and its intro video from MotorInc to come. Beautifully explained all possible details as of now (with some questions still in my mind that Ather needs to clear). Can you tell without pro pack how much time the portable charger will take to charge 450S 0-80%?

[@rameshsd9610]

5hrs

[@xxxxxxxxxx336]

Looking at the length of the video… thought of breezing through … but once you start you are hooked up … only one thing makes that possible…. QUALITY CONTENT

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much!

[@Amuzic_Earth]

Excellent analysis. One addition 450S have the older Gen2 Tyres.

[@motorinc]

Correct! 90-90/12s front and back whereas the X now has a 100/90-12 at the back

[@Sunkuvignesh]

14:45 Vida(Hero) also has a good approach where one prepays for the charging slot for a fixed period after which another person can simply pull out the charger from your vehicle and charge their vehicle. This way you don't overpay cause you forget to take out your charger or werent available to unplug the charger without causing any inconvenience to another person!!

[@motorinc]

Good point! We believe Ather's now unlock the charger plug once charging is complete so you can unplug someone else's fully charged scooter and charge yours even if they're not around

[@Sunkuvignesh]

Yes, but that's only when the SoC is 80%

[@TheAkshayBhagat]

​@@motorincather ne bich me Remote Charging unlock aise kuch InLab main interested ho ya nhi option diya tha, But wo baad me remove kar diya. Iska matlab Wo testing kar rahe honge.

[@junobyrd9665]

I guess subscription based if I may call it, is a good start. You pay what you use especially in VFM based economy, not anymore though as we are ramping up everywhere but still lot of areas to be covered. Grt podcast as always

[@motorinc]

Exactly! Glad you enjoyed that!

[@gowthamridez6109]

Which would you consider buying either 450S with pro pack or 450x with pro pack!

[@DineshmanikantaKatta]

Hey suggest me a good electric bike for daily commute .! Mine would be 35-40 kms per day !

[@shridharpp]

Great video guys.. Keep it up.. 😊

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much 😁

[@rohanvarghese1829]

When I visited Experience Centre few days back on a peak hour days Ather 450S was sitting lonely and walked customers was surrounding 450X I was shockingly surprised I think 450S job is to make 450x look VFM If you could digest 450S pricing 450X will be the one with just a little push to wallet I'm 90% sure sales figure of 450X>450S

[@motorinc]

So you're on Kartikeya's side of the bet! Awesome!

[@rohanvarghese1829]

@@motorinc Yes indeed He predicted it ahead

[@syedammar6637]

Thanks for the very informative review. Could you please review Hero Vida as well or compare it with Ather? It is in market for quite a while now but I don't see many reviews on it. Thanks

[@antrochurchill]

Such class in this channel. So curious to know the mic placement. Audio is so clear but can't locate a mic. How do you guys do it?!

[@motorinc]

Trade secret !

[@nithinkumar573]

I'll trust no one with this question except you guys. Would love to hear a discussion about how much sense does it make for an Activa owner to replace it with an Aether or Ola.

[@durgeshpoojary1433]

I have ola s1pro my daily run 160km but ola not enough for me sir which electric is best for me sir plz suggest me

[@saikiran2466]

Hey Guys, you are doing an awesome job making things clear for people, Now after the Simple One Electric Scooter launch I am a bit curious that will their be any other Ather series coming out to beat SimpleOne as well as Ola S1 pro in terms of range, speed and torque ?, Thank You for this awesome content.

[@motorinc]

There is no word yet but there are more products in the pipeline.

[@shoubithongekar1333]

I own an Activa 125 for my daily commute. I want to buy another scooter for relatively less use. Do you think I should buy an E-scooter or go for a conventional ICE scooter.

[@Nithiniyadavg]

22:41 what you said here is already happening in IT's just for a reference (iCloud > iPhones And G-Drive > Android ) it is still in a least smaller scale but it's coming fast, " You might just need a best interface medium like a Screen/Display unit with input/touch interface -> which will be connected via satellites all over (over the air interface) and entry processing and storing and everything will be done by air/internet (over the air interface) and we just needed to buy the interfacing module no subscription based and updates with every generation "

[@naveenchoudhary7283]

Hi.. ather teased 3 features in their Gen3.1 launch January event 1.Cruise control 2.Advance regen 3.Crawl mode None of the above features are released yet and neither they are planning to launch them to their existing scooters even not for the gen3.1 which they launched in January 2023 only. What is your view on this. All those who bought ather instead of ola thinking they will also get the cruise control and advance regen are left behind. Gen3.1 is only 7 month old and now ather is not even providing the coasting regen features to its present flagship model. Please share your view point on this.

[@sambhavchalla4984]

Honestly I think 450S 3.7 will make a lot of sense, like I'm currently a 450X owner and i love my scooter, but my mom and dad sometimes have a difficult time operating it, coz galti se screen touch ho gaya and they've got no idea ki yeh ab kis menu main aa gaye & now they have to video call me ki beta yeh kya hua. So basically if there was a 450S 3.7 I get the performance & speed and they get the ease of use, isn't it?

[@motorinc]

Good point Sambhav! We hadn't thought of that!

[@salimehaboob]

I really like this conversation which is to the point.😊

[@motorinc]

Thank you!

[@sankeshpai2240]

The points which you guys mentioned in these videos are so relevant.. Not sure why ather, the brand, thinks all that they do is what customer exactly wants! The design seriously looks outdated now n m surprised that they kept the same design for ather s too. The range seriously needs to touch atleast to 150km. We are paying so much for the bike! I do not understand the purpose of Ather S. It does not look like they are launching this scooter for ppl. It looks like they are launching it for themselves. They have cut down on the main "Ather" features and still selling the bike for around 1.4L Also, they should have been also focusing on scooter with removable battery Govt said provide the charger for free, ather started doing it but then made the main features a part of its pro pack. So eventually we will have to pay the same amount as earlier of sacrifice on the features. It feels like Ather is still concentrating on money making rather than customer satisfaction. Rather than actually delivering what customers wants, they launch a scooter with less features and range and then say this is what customers wants according to our data.

[@E4ECineMixture]

Ather 450S Vs Ola S1xplus Which To Buy

[@haronvarughese063]

In terms of long term reliability and service which is the best to pick : 1) ather 450s 2) iqube 3) s1 air

[@navaneeth4u]

This was really an insightful and fun talk. I somehow felt tvs iqube to be more smooth and planted one compared to ather hitec reliable scooter 😊

[@motorinc]

Yup, you're right. The iQube does feel smoother and more planted at most speeds, it only becomes bouncy at higher speeds and over the largest of bumps

[@vijayindalkar5489]

I have a Kawasaki z900, but I am looking for another bike which has good off-road and touring abilities(I've never done offroad or touring before ), I'll be using this bike for daily use I've made a list of the bikes: 1)Ktm 390 Adv SW(thinking to change spoke wheels to alloy wheels) 2) Other variants of KTM 390 adv (which one you would prefer) 3)Himalayan 4) Any other bike under 4 lacs in the same category Your opinion will help me to get more clarity

[@sahlsaleem2564]

Need Wifi connection availablity in ather 450x for the existing customers

[@motorinc]

Yes, that would be awesome for sure!

[@saikrishna0512]

great job while talking about all details possible but it would be amazing if we get riding video or demo as well adding on top of talking

[@motorinc]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@jewel2195]

Hello sir your thoughts on RIVER INDIE?? Can u please make a video on it….. way too many people seem to like the product

[@motorinc]

Hi. We will make a video on it after we test it.

[@mramesh86]

Great video and interesting thoughts on the new pricing model. How does aging (say after 10 years of use) of the batteries impact range and speed? Any thoughts?

[@motorinc]

Ather's said that their customer data suggests that their batteries are going well above the SOC degradation they were expecting at 5-6 years and 7-8 years should be when the battery hits 70% of max SOC at which point it needs a replacement. At which point you'll pay 40-60% of the cost of the vehicle to get a new battery. However, given how new the EV market is, we'd discourage people from thinking of these early electric vehicles as a 10-year keeper kind of vehicle. We suspect that so much improvement will happen in the next few years that most people will simply move on

[@dindrockstar]

​@@motorincthis sounds like Schumi, have you folks considered signing your initials or something at the end of your replies like some of the communities do?

[@motorinc]

Many of us answer comments on YT/IG etc... including Shumi and Kartikeya... at the moment, a system where we can identify which member of MotorInc responded to which comment is in the works

[@mramesh86]

Thank you!@@motorinc

[@rishiadhikary1610]

What about the running cost of ather scooters compared to petrol ones? I have heard brakepads and tyres wear out quickly. The belt if broken is costly to replace and not covered under warrenty.

[@motorinc]

The rate of wear on the brake and tyres is subjective to rider usage. We haven't come across instances of belts breaking.

[@sasmit82]

Way off topic but interesting…feature enable disable saga .Processors in fact are graded during manufacturing, the die has all the cores but some of them are disabled based on whether it passed all the parameters. The dies with all the cores fully characterised and passed are sold as top of the line and rest as lower ends . For a while intel did this with core i5 and i7 . I5 was a i7 with a few disabled cores. Some AMD processors allowed to enable disabled cores via bios on high end gaming boards .

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing this.

[@chiranjeevbakshi8460]

Loved the video❤, just one correction, 450X 2.9 and 3.7 are entirely same in terms of motor, power 6.4 KW on both, torque 26 Nm on both, tyres etc. Only difference is the battery capacity, 3 Kgs more weight in 3.7 due to bigger battery and the charger provided with it, with 3.7 one gets around 700W chargers, whereas with 2.9 it’s something like 350 W, as I have got the 2.9 last month:D

[@motorinc]

Oh damn! Thanks CB!

[@chiranjeevbakshi8460]

@@motorinc anytime:D

[@karanpalsingh1371]

Ola s1x vs aether 450s or should i buy local like ampere okinawa

[@motorinc]

Ather please, Karan. We don't recommend Ola products -- they don't do enough to earn our recommendation. And we've seen too many reports of issues with the Ampere/Okinawa and that set of brand scooters

[@mayanknigam7422]

I was planning to 450s but now Rizta is around the corner shall I wait for that. Also, the FAME 2 subsidy is getting over on 31st March. Opinions, please.

[@gosalamanoj1461]

Even am in the same position, but am planning to buy S bcz anyway battery would be same as S and i ride solo most of the time.

[@ajaybhadu4166]

I want to buy an electric scooter Ather 450s vs bajaj chetak ... almost same price brackets.. Daily running 50 kms Ather charging time is almost dubble but chetak is quite heavy in maneuvering in slow speed... also ather is belt drive and chetak is gear drive...... the belt issue is concerned... so whats your pik?

[@kushalkuber3383]

How many years down the line do you think we can have a scooter that is fit for touring? Like for example a real world range of 300kms or so

[@motorinc]

We do believe this is a battery price issue. When Ultraviolette tried to create massive range, the price ballooned to the Rs 5 lakh mark. So if you want 300km of range, at today's prices, you're looking at a Rs 6-6.5 lakh scooter... so we're going to guess that this will take a while.

[@11nikl]

what's your take on reviving vintage 2stroke motorcycles and daily driving them ?

[@motorinc]

As an experience - unbeatable. Convenience and comfort? They won’t match modern vehicles. But, you should!

[@omchatterjee506]

I am already worried about what the future holds. Imagine sitting in an automobile & it’s pouring down. You have the windshield wipers but they aren’t working cause you haven’t subscribed to it 😂. I still very much like the concept of fill it, shut it & forget it.

[@motorinc]

😂 That'll be ridiculous.

[@vinodhdurai]

Is there a new 450x 3.7 expected? If so when?. I’m planning to buy one, should I wait?

[@motorinc]

October says Ather

[@user-rz7qy3gz1j]

I love ather regarding performance durability with dashing look's. One thing disappointing me to buy ather 450s is 9hours charging and to but fast charger we have to pay extra (but not in chetak with similar price) And i want 450x with 3.7kw battery in digital display do not want touch screen. Please share my feedback

[@reehansk_1]

Hi @motorinc the point raised by shumi regarding the hardware being present but the customer has to pay for the software to enable that, Tesla uses the same formula for the Autopilot features, I think Ather is trying to follow tesla in this regard

[@motorinc]

It could be the case.

[@priyadharshankannappan7151]

Is IQube S a good value for money right now? The riding purpose would be about 20-30KM a day at best in tier-2 city, and it will be used for family riding (Husband and Wife) or should I wait to see how the 450S full review? I have also heard that the IQube service isn't that great in general, is it true?

[@motorinc]

iQube is more family-friendly whereas the Ather is sportier and more fun Priyadharshan. The buzz about TVS SErvice is that they're not great, across products and brands 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@user-wj3qo5io9z]

Can I connect through Bluetooth for Google maps on 450x (2.9kw) without pro pack

[@motorinc]

As far as we know, this won't work without Propack... but you can circumvent that by mounting your phone to the bike

[@milsar1972]

I have a question for Shumi Sir , can you suggest a good electric motorcycle for my regular commute of 100 kms daily to office. I prefer motorcycles over scooters.

[@motorinc]

Don't do this yet Milsar. It's too early and the motorcycle products with electric powertrains are not ready for a 100km commute at a reasonable price yet. Stay tuned, we'll have a story that clarifies this soon

[@limguishengphotography]

I wonder whther the ather 450s will be able to sustain overheating during summer time here in kolkata the temp is 41 degrees n i ride it in one full charge n ride it 70kms

[@motorinc]

Yes. It’s the one scooter that refuses to overheat.

[@uday7805]

I am having the Ather 450X Gen 3 (not the gen3.1 or the latest 450X 3.7), while purchasing the scooter the sales executive who was explaining me about the 2 models which at that time were 450X and 450+ told me that the Ather 450X has the Bluetooth feature and it is not covered in the Connect Subscription plans it comes with the Scooter itself and I do not get the Bluetooth option in the 450+. Now for the past 3-4 weeks the Bluetooth in my scooter is not working, like the Bluetooth is not turned off automatically even though I turn it on and I cannot able to connect my phone with the scooter because of this issue. But only now I understand y this issue has been happening to me, because through this video I got to know that there is plan called "Pro Pack" and only if we purchase that the Bluetooth facility will be available for us. But actually according to me it is not fair because when I was purchasing I have been told that the Bluetooth option in the 450X is default and it does not need any subscription plan to avail the Bluetooth option facility. Just because they introduce a Pro Pack Option now or any time after I bought a scooter, it doesn't mean for them to induce that Pro Pack thing to every Other customers who have bought their scooters before the time they have come up the thing "Pro Pack". It is truly unfair and bizarre. It is absolutely a thing that they are not keeping up to their word or they are behaving in a way that they do whatever that want to and the owners should follow their actions accordingly without showing any reaction. I mean how can they do something like this without even giving an intimation or anything that is concerned with the owner's ownership. They are clearly getting back on their word and they are not keeping up to their word.

[@vaizghani6710]

Do one like this of the Mahindra Bolero , really like your content

[@motorinc]

Can do!

[@sohamzendekar5013]

I am from Alibag, hope you have heard it and looking for scooter with commute of 30 to 40 kms weekly. Shall I consider Ather 450s or go for Ola S1 Air???

[@motorinc]

Hey Soham, given how many issues we encountered when we recently tested the Ola S1 Pro, we cannot recommend Ola's products at all.

[@SwatejK]

Ather had a TPMS system.. does it still come with the S and integrate into the screen or we just forget about it 😅

[@motorinc]

We'll have to check, but we'd assume it would not work with the LCD screen -- the demo videos we say didn't show TPMS integration at all.

[@R1eFootball]

Please recommend us best bike under 2 lakh.

[@adi2k478]

Shumi,my family's In a desperate need of a scooter and wanna retire the old 🐋 access 125 but budgets a constraint so looking for a cheap ev for city duties purely the new ola s1x 3kw looks VFM with the introductory at 90k should I be wait for the reviews to come in or go for the gamble and save some money for the emi🙂

[@motorinc]

We're afraid we've had too many niggles on Ola products on test to be able to recommend any of them.

[@rajatdusa950]

How do u think the Ola S1 Air is going to stand up against the 450s ??

[@motorinc]

It'll probably outsell the 450S thanks to the lower price and Ola's ability to deliver scooters even where they have no/minimal local representation. But we do believe that Ather's spec for the S is quite a bit superior to the Ola in every way and Ather's are generally glitch free... where as a glitch-free Ola scooter, regrettably, still seems to be in the future

[@TravelWithTraveller.]

450s with pro pack and 450X without pro pack which one is best

[@vivekaaraga]

What if I buy an S and after a year, realise I miss the Warp mode? Is it practical to resell an EV scooter to upgrade today?

[@motorinc]

Electric vehicle resale is still a bit of a grey area, Vivek. The I-miss-Warp gamble is a poor one at this time unless you've money to burn... or expect to have money to burn in a year

[@salimehaboob]

Try Sonic, Sir. I bet you love it.

[@raaga1994]

What's the top speed of 450S, without the warp mode?

[@motorinc]

90kmph on the dash

[@ontheroad8149]

Man, who is dressing them up and changing their watch straps? Shumi looks like uncle shumi with that Seiko watch strap! Tell them to stay away and let em do their thing! Also the background…it feels too white. Do it up with a mix of dark, maybe? Just loved the ThisConnect setup. Just my thoughts. So, great review, quite exhaustive in its approach. the fast charger has also a slow mode? Are warranties the same for the 2.9?

[@motorinc]

Thanks for the feedback! Fast charger-slow mode... Past 80%, all fast chargers slow down because the battery cannot absorb electricity at the same rate. 2.9 Warranty --yes. 3 yr/30,000km standard vehicle and battery warranty

[@just.Sachin]

Ik nobody asked but TFT is also a type of LCD display. I believe you were trying to compare TFT and IPS LCD

[@motorinc]

To the audience, TFT is colour and LCD is not. We avoid terms where confusion increases in general 😊

[@mihirthakur8366]

I've to buy ather Ather 450x 3.9 -: 1.84 lakhs 450x 2.9 -: 1.6 lakhs Ather 450s -: 1.3 lakhs which one should I go for ? These prices are from showroom i went yesterday please do reply I've to get it on first day of Diwali also are the prices correct here in vasai Maharashtra

[@varunabm]

Eagerly waiting for opinion on latest Gen2 Ola and X series, please try to get them out this week

[@motorinc]

The initial reviews suggest that the Olas are still overheating and asking you to return to lower modes. In which case, we've no further interest in their scooters until they fix basic issues.

[@varunabm]

@@motorinc thank you for your valuable input

[@sandeeps3158]

After refering ur videos and having test ride of various ev's finally booked chetak

[@motorinc]

Great 👍 Do let us know how your experience is Sandeep!