Ather Rizta 2024 First Impressions | S02E23

[@motorinc]

*Chapters* 00:00 Long Time Coming 02:09 Family Scooter Challenge 03:28 Porsche Panamera 05:08 Design 07:55 Details: Chetak vs Rizta 09:45 Performance 11:41 Screens & Software 14:20 Riding The Ather Rizta 18:22 Our Test Bike's Issues 20:01 Performance 20:58 Suspension & Comfort 22:09 Brakes 22:50 More Details 23:54 Seat & Comfort 24:35 Traction Control 27:00 No ABS Though 28:00 Regenerative Braking 30:04 WhatsApp Integration 32:13 Ather Halo Helmet 35:43 Prices & Subscriptions 42:18 Charging The Rizta 43:01 Quick Summary 48:09 Halo? Goodbye 49:30 Software Updates 50:17 Closing Comments *Explore MotorInc memberships* youtube.com/@motorinc/join *Errors and updates* - The Rizta Z might be mislabelled as the Rizta X is a few places. Apologies! - MotorInc Fam members who attended the Ather Rizta event in Ahmedabad report that the software update cleared up the glitches we've reported. However, others who went for test rides in other places also saw an earlier version of the software which remained slow. Inference: by the time Ather starts deliveries, you should see fast and stable software.

[@bharatparsiya]

video released 2 minutes ago, first comment 2 days ago 😆. Respect your content

[@IntPositive]

Nice, pure, original, not generic. 😘

[@Rocky-qx9mw]

Bro you did not talked about pro pack with extra cost 20k in rizta without that smart features in rizta

[@nochannelnamechoosen]

Software glitches was there when I was taken test ride. After pressing mode change button I was literally required lean back and wait for the mode to get changed in the dashboard.

[@KishoreJatin]

@@Rocky-qx9mw From the showroom they said its not separate on this anymore, included in the cost

[@agamsingh4209]

I used to work for them, hearing so much praise from you lot makes me a little proud. Can't wait to see this on the view.

[@rjv_mntn]

As a 450X owner, I have mostly good things to say about my scooter and the company in general. The scooter isn't and all rounder, so my in-laws think I over spent, but I and my wife love it. I have a ball everytime I take it for a ride and I've been pushing off the purchase of a motorcycle for myself because this does such a good job of making the ride exciting.

[@cbazxy2697]

do employees get free membership? Or did you pay ?

[@agamsingh4209]

@@cbazxy2697 if that's a question you're asking, I think you need better and more important things to put your mind into. And yes I paid for my scooter and subscriptions. Gen 2 with everything I value in my scooter experience.

[@motorinc]

@cbazxy2697: Agam meant he worked for Ather, not MotorInc 😊

[@motorinc]

@agamsingh4209 ♥️

[@Ssyoutube115]

The approach you guys have taken here for reviewing twowheelers is just amazing. Two guys sitting and talking about every minute detail is way better than all those "unboxing" type videos available on all over internet.

[@motorinc]

Thank you @Ssyoutube115. Just to be absolutely clear though, this isn't a review. Shumi's just discussing his first ride impressions of the Rizta with Kartikeya. 😊

[@KarthikeyanBaalu]

I just thought the exact same thing, so good! 🤌🏽

[@p.k.5332]

@@motorinc Sir, one doubt. As Shumi mentioned, In smart Eco mode while going uphill speed decreases till 18km/hr. Does this "automatic speed decrease till 18km/hr" also happen while going uphill in Zip Mode as well, in Rizta?

[@tanmoysal3845]

The way Shumi talks about helmet safety without his usual joking makes this conversation quite good. Nice video

[@motorinc]

Thank you for watching Tanmoy!

[@anand_nair]

I was an early Ather adopter . Ather is a research oriented company with strong engineering acumen. They are a world class company with the right mixture of European and Japanese ethos. Hope they continue to deliver us well engineered products 👍🏻

[@motorinc]

They'll be thrilled to see what you think of them, Anand!

[@anand_nair]

@@motorinc 😌

[@rutveekly]

Damn, shumi felt so passionate while talking about safety & helmet. Kudos to you for taking stand as it's important for our community. 🔥🙌🏽

[@sahilhakani5220]

You get helmets that cost 4.5k that are ece 22.05 rated. That plus a Blu Armour or a cheaper Sena Intercom will cost around 15k total. I would pick that combo anyday over the halo helmets

[@motorinc]

Agreed!

[@sahilhakani5220]

@@motorinc it's a no-brainer😅

[@rohanvarghese1829]

That's why they focused on music quality and ANC😊😊

[@ashwanisingh3234]

​​@@motorinc is axor apex a good helmet?

[@aakashdimri9903]

@@ashwanisingh3234 yes i have thea apex street oragimi its a great hemet gets d ring and pin lock wiser ist is dot and isi certified but it dosenot have ece 22.05 rating.

[@allencrispy]

We definitely need a view story on the ather halo 😂

[@motorinc]

It'll sound too much like a rant so very little chance of that happening @allenbt35!😅

[@ramboog2654]

@@motorincok, fine. We want it on ola😜

[@vikramwadhwani6174]

How about an insight (if that's the right word) on some "brands" like Komaki 😂😂😂

[@kumarraj2012]

That helmet really got Shumi pissed..!😃😃

[@arowa.]

how much likes for the Halo view even if it is parody only, we will live with that

[@itzsatya1]

The Rizta variants do have different processors, storage and RAM: S - Cortex series, 8gb RAM, 1gb storage Z - Snapdragon 212, 16gb RAM, 2gb storage.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know @itzsatya1.

[@preethamrv2]

You guys should definitely do a disconnect episode on riding gears. You can talk about the latest safety standards and so on.

[@motorinc]

Request noted!

[@the_winged_helm]

I second this! Mainly pointers on what to look for in each category of riding gear (gloves, helmets, jackets, boots etc.) when setting out to purchase for the first time. The importance of materials, sliders, armour etc. ought to be covered as well. Lots of confusion for a first time buyer. Also, Indian brands vs imported ones. Are the level 2 protection in an Indian brand superior to the usually level 1 protection (upgradable) by default in an imported brand? Does a helmet with a Sunvisor compromise on the structural integrity of the shell as Arai believe? How do they get comparable safety certification then? Quite an exhaustive topic when you get into it, and ought to make for a very interesting webisode!

[@niteshvas]

+1

[@niteshvas]

And essential track riding gear section would be nice too with some recommendations. If possible.🙆🙌🏽

[@girishlgirish384]

I have brought 450x hr without pro pack for 159000rs onroad on march . After three months I have asked service manager to upgrade to pro pack . He told pro pack cost 40000rs . In the name of pro pack they are looting customers so big 🙏 to Ather

[@kakichaitanya9844]

@@girishlgirish384 i asked tha same before purchasing the bike.. they said the same so i took along with the bike so it costs me 179000 just a month ago

[@HVG839]

Too expensive with less features ola is much better

[@VermiKello]

‘Helmets are inconvenient’ is a logic I don’t understand. It’s a device designed to protect your head and neck - extremely vital parts of our body - which you can simply put on and strap in. How much more convenient does it have to be? Until such time when iron man’s nanotechnology becomes a reality where you just think and the helmet appears around your head, that is all the convenience we really need.

[@motorinc]

💯

[@abhisheksoni2980]

Assuming that you'll appreciate an actual answer to your question "how helmets are inconvenient" and it wasn't a rhetorical question, let me attempt: They are not inconvenient to put on. They are inconvenient to keep on. Most of our country is terribly hot and humid and your head needs to remain cool for your senses to work. If your head is itching with sweat and not cooling down enough, the possibility of getting into accident increases. Not only that, it does impact your peripheral vision and situational awareness (don't fucking lie it doesn't. Just don't.) Combine this with the fact that many two wheelers in India don't see 50 kmph mark for most of their service life because they solely run in congested cities and not of highways or freeways, it's a really terrible approach to make helmets a legal requirement. I mean we allow people to jump of a cliff tied to a rubber cable, and not to ride through vegetable market at 15kmph without a helmet??? It's really unfair.

[@VermiKello]

@@abhisheksoni2980 sure I mean you do you and to each his own and all that. Just sharing a personal anecdote - last month I was riding in slow speed on an internal road. The road is in great shape btw, no potholes or bumps. There was a Nexon to my right behind me, and we were both occupying our individual lanes. Nexon also wasn’t speeding. A parked car 30m in front of me, decided to suddenly leave without signaling or any indication. I braked hard so that I don’t hit the car, my rear wheel locked, and I fell to my right sideways on the road. My hands and head hit the road first, and my leg was under my motorcycle engine. Now, I had a helmet and gloves on, and my bike has large engine guards, which means no part of my body was severely injured except minor scrapes on my right knee. The Nexon also braked hard and stopped right behind my where my head was. So I picked my bike, apologized to the Nexon for no fault of my own, and went on my way again. That’s the reason I wear safety gear. Don’t know about others.

[@motorinc]

@abhisheksoni2980: Your comment is not an explanation, it's a very well-written rant. Except for the bit in the parantheses at the end of the last para (which suggests that you aren't really listening). The peripheral vision and sit.awareness impact of helmets has been studied and documented - please do look it up. As to your second point, we're the largest two-wheeler market on earth with largest accident and fatality rates. When the rubber-cable-jumpers reach similar proportions, you'll see helmet laws arrive there too. That's not fair, that's how people who won't take care of themselves have to be protected. For their families, for their colleagues and for the economy.

[@motorinc]

@VermiKello: Glad you're okay!

[@shashanksaikumar]

Thank god there are some sane voices left to call out Ola and their gigantic chain of BS. That company is misleading its customers and putting them in danger with those terrible scooters. I really hope people wake up and smell the bullshit happening and get out of this chain as quickly as they can.

[@ananth224]

We cannot get out!! Their resale value is absent.

[@JagannathMoorthy]

What are the issues with the Ola? I have the OG 450 for the last 5 years and just bought a S1 pro a few months back. There are some quality issues with the Ola for sure, but for riding it, I find it far better than the Ather. It’s quieter, smoother and faster accelerating. However, I don’t feel as confident in the chassis, Ather just rules in that segment. Of course I don’t expect it to last as well as the Ather. I still can’t believe how solid my 450 feels after 5 years.

[@sinuslebastian6366]

@@JagannathMoorthyyou answered your own question, poor build quality, weak chassis, cheap materials, questionable design choices etc.

[@onkardalvi5603]

Ola has some quality issues but for city commute & taking into account its near one lakh on road price (I bought at 1.05L on road- Basic S1 1st gen) this is excellent value for money product. Drive cautiously at max 60-65kph normal acceleration, & after 30-40k kms this will be return on all invested money within 5 years. This is a good bargain for all potential EV buyers. The newer S1 X models are questionable though. But S1 air and pro are still good value.

[@onkardalvi5603]

Also I get 90kph speed on highways if needed, and scooter is stable at that speed and 100kms range for 100% charge everytime for Basic S1 model.

[@ChaitanyaAtre1096]

i have been owner of 450X since 1.5 years and have clocked 2800km since last year . its one of the best piece of texhnology i own for sure . Ride quality is quiet reliable . When i gave it to my friends to drive their mind blows away . Few of my friends told me they will consider it once they rode the bike. I think that tells quality and work they have put out . Belt noise is issue for me but glad they have fixed it with new scooters. Hopefully some solution for older scooters. Rizta has filled the gap so now my parents can use it in thier hometown . In future will consider it in my hometown as a primary scooter for sure .

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing @ChaitanyaAtre1096. Good to hear an owner's perspective.

[@varunsahay3338]

I first saw the Ather 450 parked outside the electrical engg department while walking around the campus at IITM back in 2017, and I recall saying to my friend "hey! that's a good looking scooter!" So good to see them come such a long way making great stuff!

[@ganstakanishk]

I took a test ride of the Rizta today 29/6/24 . They had around 10 scooters there. I fiddled around a few scooters just to check the screen lag what you guys were talking about here. Surprisingly it was all smooth, the response was exactly what’s it like on the 450. Seems like they have sorted out the glitch if there was any.

[@motorinc]

Awesome! Thank you for letting us know, Kanishk!

[@Aditya-tj6vv]

Thanks for the video. Best part was the discussion on Halo. No other person might have talked about it in such a blunt way. Thank you Shumi sir for being a person so inclined to VALUES. That's a rarity these days. Please continue doing the same.

[@abhishekjakkareddy3742]

Baseball cap and the microwave 😂😂😂😂😂 killed me

[@motorinc]

♥️

[@niteshvas]

🤣🤣😅🤡

[@uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses]

Lmao same

[@SakethRayalacheruvu]

Damn! Had to re-watch this a couple of times. You guys covered so much content, it felt like I was watching a tv series. Agree that maybe Ather rushed it with this launch and Halo will leave a gaping hole in our heads. Great content again guys. Keep it going!

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us Saketh!

[@pawasdayal]

I believe Ather has got investors which are influencing the marketing and sales decisions. Worrisome is that, from this review, it is also starting to influence engineering decisions too. Knowing Ather, they may not have rushed, and perhaps gone with a new chassis. None of that seems to be the case. 'Rizta need to bring Ather name to lot more people' - that is a slippery slope with a semi-ready product.

[@pratap4147]

The way conversations happening here is very soothing , and the minimal background is cherry on the cake

[@parthibpandit401]

Have to say, this is probably one of the best summaries from K, all love❤️

[@motorinc]

Thank you Parthib!

[@avinashpaul2221]

Would you recommend the rizta s variant for city use of 15 km daily ? Would it be a good choice over activa considering the extra cost of rizta.

[@motorinc]

Yes, this should work. But the savings won't be huge, unless you a ride _a lot,_ or calculate the savings _over a long time._

[@omkaarchudekar420]

I tried Ather Rizta, the screen was working fine and had no issues. after watching this video and a test ride, I have booked the Rizta for family. Hope it will be a good decision.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing @omkaarchudekar420! Congratulations. Do let us know how you like it after getting it.

[@arpitagrawal83]

My father had the default scooter of the 90s. Bajaj Chetak. I rode it during my school days. I was never an extraordinary rider. But have always been a thorough auto enthusiast. I've never had a 2 wheeler of my own. My parents too were the typical over-cautious type. And when I started earning, I bought a car. So no bike even then! Now, as a father of 2 pre-teen boys, I am thinking of buying a scooter with 2 simple objectives. To drop the kids to hobby classes/coaching. (We live in an area where evenings are jam-packed). And to do routine errands. May be a few trips to office, on good weather days. And of course, in due course it'll be used by the kids. And there's one ulterior motive as well...to gauge my riding skill/temperament to decide if I should really go for a bike. (I've been dreaming of buying a bike since forever. Currently I am lusting over the Triumph Scrambler 400X and the Himalayan 450!) Here're the parameters. 1. This will be my 1st self-owned 2-wheeler, ever! 2. 2000 to 5000 kms per year, I guess, depending on how much I end up enjoying it. 3. Charging may not be much hassle, as we live on the 1st floor. 4. Riders - me, wife and eventually the boys. 5. Budget - no idea. Under a lakh, I suppose. Not sure how we'll end up using it, so don't want to dump much money on this experiment. Let's say, a TCO of ~1.5L over 5-7 yrs. Here're my queries- 1. ICE vs Electric 2. If ICE, which one? Not Activa, for sure!! Jupiter? Access 125? Xoom? Ntorq? 3. If electric, how abt Rizta? Note - I live on the outskirts of Chandigarh. I am a big fan of your channel and hence I believe I'll really value your opinion! Thanks... ✌️✌️

[@motorinc]

1. ICE 2. Access 125 3. We haven't tested it fully yet, but the Rizta is very promising for sure Can't wait to welcome you to the world of two-wheelers Arpit!

[@shubham_M7777]

Which one you bought?

[@chintakgurjar8426]

Bro you should consider Yamaha scooters too. Yamaha Fascino is a hybrid scooter. Great styling, pickup and mileage too. I have used it in Goa on vacation.

[@praveenshastri8886]

That cover-up of triple riding 😂😂 Gold!!!

[@motorinc]

🤣

[@AMI2AV]

I love how Shumi Schumacher pointed out speed on the dash when the scooter was losing velocity while going uphill.🤭

[@motorinc]

♥️

[@harshadsubhash]

Sometimes it feels like Shumi is Jordan Peterson of Indian Automobile reviews...

[@ABELXDAYA]

LMFAOOOO 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheCoolhotshot123]

No JP is much more open minded than shumi.. and that's saying something.

[@motorinc]

😳

[@asherkumar1040]

Hahaha, impossible to unsee it now...

[@tradewizard2563]

Of helmet reviews.thanks to shumi helmet podcast..I upgraded to ece 22.06 carbon fiber helmet

[@anirudhnathawat]

I love your podcasts it’s on my A list. I listen it on my way to office and back. Your conversation brings so much info to the table it’s amazing. I don’t like Ev’s and I would skip it but I know if I don’t listen to it I’ll lose on the things like the helmet story 32:17 , the ABS things 27:21 and all the things apart from Ather. Love it guy’s ! ! !

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @anirudhnathawat

[@Rvj.12]

I want to consider this scooter but cannot get hang of its 15k subscription thing to use more feature. It’s like renting out fuel tank of ICE scooter separately.

[@cineenthusiast1234]

Just buy the base variant we need only one drive mode the best way to squeeze the maximum range is Wrap mode and constant acceleration

[@PBJ25]

For someone who's buying the rizta I think it's a hell of a good scooter and I think most of the decisions that rather has gone forward with justifies the scooter. I'm looking for a family scooter and this is advertised as one, if I wanted something lively I know where to look, if I wanted something even more lively I'd go buy a bike. When I'm looking for a family scooter I'm looking for reliability and convenience over everything else. The decision to go with the 450 motor and interiors (most of it) is I think really smart, considering it's a tried and tested hardware, with a new system, I feel it would have it's own highlights and challenges. I don't want to deal with them, let ather handle those with the "lively" ones. If it just starts, works and goes, hen it's all good for me, I don't want to be thinking about that at the back of my mind. For me, touchscreen as a feature if like taking a step back if it's exposed. In a car? Maybe. Outside, weathering through everything, I like a bit of precise control, heck the base variant screen and the top model battery would have been a sweet spot for me. I don't have any opinion on the design, it seems okay to me. Not bad, not something to wite home about. It sits right in the middle. Doesn't steal the attention, but thats not what it's striving for. I'm happy that they addressed the belt issue. The battery flap is okay with me because as Shumi said, convenience is welcomed, but I know anyway that with regular ICE I would have had to use both hands so it's fine. There's ample space. The seat is nice from all the reviews I've read, the suspension isn't just basic. The colors offered are interesting. The software I think could use a lot of fine tuning especially with the smart eco, because it doesnt seem to be smart if all it does is prioritise mileage. I think the points that he picked from the chetak were really important and I would rather call that a "smart" eco mode. The zip does its work really well, no complaints. The other things that seems a mild bit inconvenience to me was the 90 degree valve having a rubber base, I say mild because it's a once in a while thing to fill my tyres, and the large seat having just one point of contact. I think there should be some after market spine that holds it better. The points that people pick that your hand will crash through the back rest is a nit pick, I don't know anyone that closes their seat on that point of suface, everyone I know close it from the side of the vehicle. I think the scooter shouldn't be compared with other EVS, rather we it's a feather in the hat of EV vehicles against ICE family scooters. I'm with Shumi on his stand on the helmets. I DO NOT THINK ANYONE WHO CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES EVEN A LITTLE BIT SHOULD TOUCH IT WITH A 10-FOOT POLE.Do NOT ABSOLUTELY BUY IT BECAUSE IF YOU THROW YOUR MONEY AT THAT, THEN YOU LET OTHER'S KNOW WHERE YOUR PRIORITY LIES AND OPENS A CAN FULL OF WORMS THAT WILL BE TOO DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. That is the most stupidest thing that ather has done and after writing about all that and how I think they did a smart thing with the decisions to build the scooter I find it hard to believe they just threw a spanner and released that thing. With a helmet, that things that ather prioritised are absolutely the last things that you should have to consider better yet not consider at all. Why would you work your ass off to build a scooter like that and then announce that monstrosity with the same thing? Shumi was absolutely right to not even speak about it, because bad puclicity is still publicity. To know the power that your word holds and still chosoe that way even thpugh you know that it might piss some people off is the most wise thing someone could do. I'm really excited to try the ather rizta but the direction with the helmets really puts me in a tough spot. They really need to question this decision and realise where it might take them.

[@srikarsuresh]

Let’s take a moment to truly appreciate the exceptional graphics, thoughtful branding, and top-notch production quality of the channel.

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much @srikarsuresh! We'll pass on your compliments to the entire team.

[@shivamsoni3550]

This is the type and level of conversation expect from my friends when I am talking about vehicles . Literally you guys are too fabulous

[@motorinc]

Thank you @shivamsoni3550.

[@Sairama1926]

You forgot to discuss the prominent irritating whining noise of the motor. Ather should have reduced it somehow. Also, the navigation does not work if you deviate even slightly from the programmed route. Otherwise, it is great to drive. Finally, don't buy this without the propack as key features like Magic Twist, range display, navigation, skid control etc. cannot be used without it.

[@SubhamLohani_595]

I feel you guys should do a comparison between Rizta and Chetak as well...

[@motorinc]

Noted @SUBHAMOOO1

[@motorinc]

Request noted!

[@ma2har]

Was expecting you guys to talk about the pricing a little more, especially the Pro packs. Ather should have offered Pro pack (or at least the battery protect plan) upon pre-booking. Ola does price cuts to attract customers (though the quality isn't good), but Ather should also do similar by offering some extras (not the price cuts).

[@motorinc]

Yes, the ProPacks remain contentious for sure. And we did test a 450S without propack a few months ago... and we really, really liked it! If the ProPack thing bugs you, just get a Rizta if you like, without the Propack.

[@ma2har]

Thanks for your response. 🙂 Please talk to Ather on my behalf regarding the expectations shared. 😉 3 years / 30k Km Battery warranty is too less now, compared to the competition. I did pre-book Rizta. Ather is offering too less for customers who pre-booked it. Hope they understand this before the actual sales start.

[@motorinc]

Yes there is some confusion about the Ather Battery ProTect plan applying to the Rizta for sure. We're awaiting clarifications

[@namirkalra8815]

Went to their showroom found it weird them saying the rizta has 56L of storage for the sake of it. It is like saying the indie has 110L of storage.

[@ShivrajSBorade]

Please have a ThisConnect episode covering Helmets and other riding gear.

[@motorinc]

Request noted!

[@rohankhare9020]

MID MAY - THEY SAID. SOON - THEY SAID. THE REVIEW/FIRST IMPRESSION IS FINALLY HERE IN MID JUNE. LOVED IT ❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks for your patience!

[@user-wj5lw1rn5p]

Just saw chetak's first impressions and as Shumi Sir predicted Bajaj did launch a cheaper model . The May month had all the top ev manufacturers launch mass market models.. I just wanted to suggest doing atleast a view on chetak's new base model. My father isplanning to buy a scooter so just wanted to know. Also should i just stick to ICE scooters ( daily running -15km)

[@ragschavan]

If you are ok with a slightly heavy scooter, top speed of 63, drum brakes at both ends, and 6 hours charging time then go ahead with Chetak 2901 (base model). It's one of the best scooters for senior citizens and ladies if you don't mind the above points.

[@vikramwadhwani6174]

Finally someone who knows and talks about helmets with the seriousness and intensity that this topic deserves. ESPECIALLY in India!!! Thank you Shumi 🙏👍

[@AnirudhMaira]

Going back to the comment I made on thepost that you guys had put up about the Rizta, there were no issues with the screen. The remaining were almost the same minor issues that Shumi spoke about.

[@motorinc]

Thanks Anirudh!

[@soumyadeepmondal6130]

Ok so no more screen laggy or anything right? Works normally, updates maps in real time etc?

[@ash_the_daydreamer]

I am planning to buy the rizta this week. I am thinking of getting the Rizta S wth the pro pack. The only thing thats confusing me is if the Skid Control and Magic Twist are worth the upgrade. Does either of those features justify the price ? Considering the budget is a little tight now and daily travel is just 20km.

[@riturajbalaji3328]

Seriously i can have a clear picture of this rizta than those unbutors(unboxers+youtuber) so thankyou so much

[@archishmanpaul4006]

Been following your channel for some time now, very glad I came across the both of you. Don’t think many vehicle reviewers come close to this level of quality in content. Good job, gents!

[@motorinc]

Thank you 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🖖🏽

[@ClassyCouture-ih1dz]

😂 don't get distracted by ola - Mr. Shumi

[@ICC3Y]

I am really interested in buying the base rizta s in july, i need to know which is better the tvs iqube or this

[@nabeelshariff6006]

Rizta is a no brainer

[@cineenthusiast1234]

Rizta is better, iqube now started a recall regarding chassis breakage 😂

[@motorinc]

They're not that similar in nature and feel. But stay tuned, we'll be testing the updated iQubes and the Rizta both in the near future

[@ICC3Y]

​@motorinc I ended up getting the rizta z.

[@nabeelshariff6006]

@@ICC3Y congrats, awesome scooter with great stability and dependable range prediction

[@susmitghosh93]

hope you are all doing great. Recently I am having a hunter 350 & I'm thinking to sell it and purchase one of these 3 motorcycle 1. Duke 250 2. RTR 310 3. R15M WHAT SHOULD I PICK? Kindly give me a suggestion as per your experience.

[@debajyotidutta007]

35:21 Gorda ura diya, bhaiya :D

[@NikhileshSharma1]

Planning to buy one, so did a test ride & it's a treat to ride with hill hold, traction control & magic regen.. And the UI is responsive now, no lag whatsoever. The switches feels like prone to breakdown. I think i would use it in zap only as smart eco is too dull to enjoy the experience.

[@bhargavk1515]

Idk if Ather will become the BMW of India...with all the over-engineered solutions but on top of world product, after listening to your podcast. I would love that!

[@Quantum-Thoughts-2024]

it seemed the helmet discussion, struck a nerve somewhere in Shumi Saw him angry for first time :) " He was like, I'll never wear these crappy /unsafe helmets. And I'm not even going to explain myself. (isn't it self Explanatory) Then probably he realized that he's on youtube and gave his opinion "

[@akshaypandey7892]

Great discussion as always. It would be great if the sound treble can be reduced a bit for the videos coming up. This might be subjective but I felt it's a little off in this video.

[@motorinc]

We'll pass the feedback on! Thanks Akshay!

[@akshaypandey7892]

​@@motorincthanks team.

[@aviral_mongra]

On the Google Podcasts thing... they're moving over their library into YT Music now. So essentially, you can go over to YT Music even today and listen (or even watch, since YT Music has that clever Audio/Video toggle) to MotorInc First episodes. And since it's KZbin, it stays in sync with however much you've watched on KZbin as a video, and you can resume from the same point in audio-only from YT Music (and vice versa).

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing Aviral!

[@TheTwinPost]

I felt the same as Kartikya did about the 450 after riding it for 3 hours. It was fun but felt really tiny to me personally (5'11 85kgs). Rizta feels alot more like the kinda scooter i would go for 👌

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know TTP!

[@abhishek108]

Superb discussion, no extras or no BGs for distraction. Keep up the good work..

[@chandrakant-surwase1222]

Sir... Between Rizta S and chetak 2901 which would you choose??

[@vzvish357]

Shumi's passion towards 2Ws is contagious 🤌

[@harshittiwary458]

That's what you get when you watch guys with so many years of experience on automobiles. I get to learn so much and so many new things everytime there's a new upload, whether it's MotorInc first or ThisConnect. Absolutely love the conversations. And yes, now I know how to annoy Shumi, just put a Halo helmet infront of him, and enjoy the action.😁

[@motorinc]

😆

[@binishthomas2675]

I had a test ride, but as the showroom didn't have number plates I had to ride it in a gully with a lot of road construction (so not sure if bad handling was due to that). The UI I feel was very horrible because I couldn't change the mode easily or even activate the slip assist or even change the ride modes (2-5 min lag in mode change). I felt that it was not good enough for crowded streets. But I will give it another go soon

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know!

[@a.yashwanth]

29:00 Its the battery basics. When the battery is at lowest or highest state of charge, it cannot accept more power. If you observe a battery charging, it starts with very low charging speed at 0 and slowly increase to max speed and then significantly drops the charging rate at like 90-95%.

[@gauravchowdhury6926]

Hi Sir, just wanted to ask if additional pro packs are worth spending money? And also which variant among the 3 in Rizta would be best buy?

[@ashwinraghunath]

Fantastic conversation, as always. A recommendation to your editor (coming from a producer of TV shows): The graphics and text need a longer stay. I look at averaging 8-10 seconds for each text piece to accommodate our slowest readers. In this show, graphics which paraphrase what a host is taking are a complete distraction as they go at talk-speed, not allowing for sufficient visual registration. Same with showcases of screens/screenshots. Ex: 28:06 - the footnotes are mostly lost as the graphic plate disappears when the anchor finishes talking. (Not to mention the lack of contrast) Now the eye tends to scan the image first, register a first impression, and rescan to impress upon the idea you are trying to convey - your image stays are not adequate enough for this process - and thus - lots of graphics here are not as impactful as they could be. Small change, but try to aim for the folks who are not speed readers, or whose reactions times don't necessarily compete with a Verstappen. :). This apart, well done, you've broken the clutter of what auto-review shows were with your format, and you have much to be proud of.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for the feedback @ashwinraghunath. We'll look into this.

[@rockonable]

Hi I saw a bill where 450x gen 3 battery pack costing 96000 ra + 1000 rs installation charges 😮 of course after warranty

[@nivasgamini2885]

booked one . not test ride yet , is it faster than access 125 in zip mode? by the way great review !!

[@motorinc]

We'll have to test it to comfirm, Nivas. The terrain was up and down for the Rizta ride so Zip felt quick enough, but quicker than the Access is harder to answer definitely

[@TheSwaroopB]

Wonderful overview! Such a nice start to my Sunday morning! Question: How do you navigate through the UI of something like Google Maps with just a joystick? How to move around the map, zoom, type destination address, select alternative path if offered, etc? Joysticks on fixed/7-segment LCD may make sense, but on a fully interactive TFT? I'm curious. It'd be great to have joysticks as additional inputs (so you don't have to leave the handle) ALONG with the touch input. Also, no ABS is such a miss!

[@mohdkhajanaseeruddin537]

Ather is a great company with superb products!! I will run to buy their shares if they were to come out with an IPO....thanks motorinc for a super review!

[@alexthampan9007]

Ather has already done IPO in 2022 and their shares are trading in stock market.

[@mohdkhajanaseeruddin537]

@@alexthampan9007 my bad chief...I meant FPO...which is apparently on cards...

[@motorinc]

Thank you for watching MKN! All well with you?

[@motorinc]

@alexthampan9007: The market says they're prepping for an IPO now, to close by end-2024

[@RishabhSharma_95822]

The helmet segment was so good! Thanks Shumi, manufacturers need to realize such gimmicks can easily result into bad PR since the product isn't really doing what it is supposed to do, instead trying to do multiple other things which is not part of its basic requirement.

[@srinathreddy2032]

I really admire how you say so many good things about the Ather 450 series as well as the RIZTA. However, when it comes to helmets, your points are on the opposite side, which is really good to hear and know. I didn't know what DOT certified meant and thought it should be good enough. I got the helmet for free because I am one of the Ather Unlock winners. Now, it makes me think, should I be excited or not? But thank you for the honest feedback.

[@srinivasp1999]

Wow I love this podcast. I've owned a 450 Gen 1, now an APEX and what you've spoken in this podcast is 100% relatable. I liked the part where you spoke about the Helmet. I own two helmets and both are ECE 22.05 Rated. We need more awareness to Indian consumers about these helmets.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @srinivasp1999.

[@yokaparthasarathy3294]

What do you guys think about Hero Vida. I bought one a month ago and it's fairly decent. The connectivity features and touch screen are basically useless. But, since I can charge the battery at my apartment, the experience is extremely convenient. The pick-up is good. I never had to worry about overtaking. The scooter itself is smooth and silent. The braking is good but regen not so much. So far, it's been a convenient Point A to B machine.

[@itfeelsharsh]

Last Saturday, Ather had a Rizta launch event and an Ather owners meetup in Ahmedabad. I got to check out the software of the Rizta, and it seems that Ather has completely refined their software from what Shumi experienced from while test riding. I did not face any issues or glitches while operating the dashboard screen. Another thing I noticed is that the build quality and fit and finish of Ather Rizta is far superior to the Ola S1 Pro, which my friend has. However, the plastics feel a little bit cheap compared to my 450X.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing @itfeelsharsh. That's very good to hear.

[@divinemusicstudio766]

Purchased rizzta today got it at 1.78lacks Screen is working properly with no lag

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing @divinemusicstudi766!

[@keshavsakthi546]

The ambiguity of the battery pack pricing is not an ather only problem I think, Most electric 2w brands that I have dealt with seem to be super ambiguous on this and the answer sometimes seem to vary from dealer to dealer as well, which also makes the info that comes out of the dealer's mouth also void. From what I've come across, 15-18k per kwh of the pack is what you can expect to be shelling out as of today's prices. Things might change down the line but this is what it seems to be today

[@ImTheShrey]

Guys you missed to address how much of those marketed features are part of paid pro pack which costs 20k extra. Also all of the safety features are paid, like TC, Fall safety, SmartEco etc.

[@KarthikeyanBaalu]

I am probably late to the party, I love what you both r doing in the Auto-journalist space of both bikes & cars on this channel (opinion based on XUV 3XO & Ather Rizta videos). I particularly like the balance you folks try to strike between both the manufacturer as well as buyers POV, ‘cause the manufacturer always cannot offer everything that the customer asks for inspite of their best intentions to the customer. Wish you folks the best! 🎉🙏🏽😇

[@motorinc]

Thank you for the kind words @KarthikeyanBaalu! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience.

[@onemorethompson]

Great show again, but I was hoping for a discussion around swappable battery scooters. That said, I’m not sure if you’ve covered it elsewhere in another episode, podcast or segment. Personally, I’m really excited for the day a scooter provider offers a model with removable batteries - maybe even twin removable batteries, that you can take with you and charge wherever you are, as long as you have the right cables/adapters. I think users should also have the option to either buy the batteries outright or go for a subscription model, where you never actually own the batteries but pay a subscription fee for the lifetime of the vehicle, ensuring you always have a fully functioning, well-maintained battery while just owning the scooter and motor. In most condos today, charging setups in parking areas aren’t common and yes, you can get it installed, but what about when you visit family or friends? Having a modular battery you can charge at any home or office would be a huge convenience. Have you heard of Honda’s SC E Concept or CUV e? Any insights on Honda’s plans for an EV scooter in India?

[@motorinc]

Swappable batteries aren't that big in India yet @onemorethompson but there's certainly a case to be made for them. We'd say whoever cracks a well-defined A-Z system for a battery swapping scooter or a motorcycle will be the market leader for a long time.

[@IndiaHereNow]

Ather does it's advertising in English and btw no massy campaigns. Also, distribution is bad in North India. We need a hamara Bajaj, desh ki dhadkan kind of campaign in hindi for it to work in North India.41:45

[@motorinc]

We agree @IndiaHereNow. Interesting challenge ahead for Ather!

[@sharathnanjangud]

My wife uses 450X, a more conservative rider. Will it be a good idea to give 450X and buy Ritza, (The vehicle is very good, but based on reviews Ritza feels comformtable to ride)

[@ameyanatu670]

Please also include discussion regarding the headlights on scooters as well as their positioning.

[@Timewastedonyt]

Can you guys make a episode on Helmets and what certification to look for when buying one?

[@abhijith_mb]

Okay, so I'm confused. Should I buy a 450X now or should I wait until February (?!), when Ather launches a new product. At this point I don't know if they will have a new product, but since the Apex is the apex of that platform, maybe they have a new better platforma and if I buy a 450X now I would definitely miss out on the benefits of the new platform.

[@syedtalhasxr]

Did a test ride today in Srinagar. I feel like we were the first customers here. I have a query. Here around Srinagar, we have 30-40 degree gradients in places going up the foothills, will i be able to ride the medium spec rizta with 1 pilon rider and zip mode full throttle?

[@motorinc]

Hi @syedtalhasxr, for the inclines of J&K the best way to know is to test ride it for yourself. We suggest talking to the showroom guys about a longer test ride.

[@MuditBadlani]

Been waiting for this video a long time. Would've already bought this if not for the lack of ABS. Bought an Activa 125 as a beater years ago even though it was obvious how much superior the Access was(is) - only because it was the only CBS scooter in the market back then. I hate the vehicle and Honda with a passion and can't wait to get rid of it. But the CBS has come in handy a number of times, and since my mom is the primary user, that has made the bitter pill of horrendous quality go down a lot better. Let's see if you guys reinforce/overturn my decision about the Rizta through the video. I mean, I was planning on it anyway - despite the disappointing lack of ABS, it's still better than our old Activa, but still - Ather is one of the few manufacturers I have expectations from and them consistently making excuses about a lack of ABS rubs me the wrong way.

[@motorinc]

Let us know what you decide @MuditBadlani!

[@MuditBadlani]

@@motorinc Your elaboration upon the challenges of incorporating ABS into an EV scooter certainly makes it forgivable, but the un-Atherness and borderline Olaness of it give me pause. I certainly agree with you that a family scooter can and should be a bit more fun. I will have to ride it too after all. But the deal-breaker is the rubber mounted valves. We maintain tyre pressures on all our vehicles ourselves (better gauges, no pump near enough for true cold top-ups). The Activa routinely pushes me to the closest I've come to psychopathy. For now, I'll wait for River to come to my tier II city. Will still TD the Rizta when free. TL;DR - Get software and valves right, damn you! Also, it's all software, give us a faster mode in a family scooter. Hooligans are people too. 😇 Hoping for River to reach me soon. Will TD the Rizta. Will wait until the next lock of hair the Activa makes me pull out.

[@MuditBadlani]

Oh, and PS: More Meta and Bezos in my life? Thank you so much. 🙄 I can finally stop leaving Biden, Modi etc hanging as they desperately wait for my WhatsApp replies.

[@megoo401]

Am from bangalore, Ather Rizta or river indie? Which one to buy?

[@swayam_abhijeet]

Loved this FIRST and also Shumi's aggression and passion for safest helmets... Apart from ECE, Sharp which all safety standards are good to refer ?

[@ImTheShrey]

Took test ride on Wednesday, still has lot of electronic glitches with S/W. Modes switching was glitchy, screen took forever to show if mode change was registered, one time the screen & S/W just passed out when I put on right indicator.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing @ImTheShrey. Where was this?

[@ImTheShrey]

Ather space Satara, MH.

[@BhaskaraVenkatesh]

I’m waiting to see this in the showrooms. Planning to upgrade from my Access 125 to an EV scooter and Chetak, Vida V1 and Rizta are my options. What would you recommend Shumi? Vida is purely because of the removable batteries to charge them at home!

[@Satadru74x9]

43:08 to be honest I prefer 2 wheelers who throw light in the direction the steering is facing. So the belly light isn't odd but unlike iqube the blank part in the centre bulge of the steering really does seem like it was made to have a headlight there. An odd space left honestly. I'm not sure but will an aftermarket solution be available for this after sometime? And obviously not those white bright notorious light 😅

[@motorinc]

In all honestly, we've tested two-wheelers with fixed and moving headlights for absolutely years now and the difference is not that great except in very specific instances. The problem is worse with bulbs because their heat makes sure that low and high beams cannot be used together whereas LEDs can. So unless the manufacturer really messes up the low beam's spread, this is a very small issue

[@Satadru74x9]

@@motorinc i see 🤔

[@aniketdhamale1547]

I tested the rizta and I also experienced the software glitches u guys discussed. There is delay when u change the modes, the showroom guys said it's a early software not complete.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know!

[@vinayakmulye625]

You guys compliment each other so well! its a treat watching you! Amazing Review!

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoy it Vinayak!

[@AniruddhMandal-n6p]

I took test ride today. Had tested two vehicles. Pangong Blue and white color had the same display lag issue. The other one, cardamon and white color was normal with display responding properly

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing Aniruddh! Aside from that, did you like how the Rizta rode?

[@AniruddhMandal-n6p]

@@motorinc For me its a cool piece of tech that I can use for daily commutes. Acceleration and top speed is also okay considering me "being a family man now!" and cant go alone anywhere without my wife! In zip mode from signal to signal, accelerating too hard gets me a question why am I in so hurry. So, Smart Eco for me is the way to go. On the other side, my wife likes the Magic Twist too much. However, she got a complaint that the handle bar is too far from seat, "she got small hands you know!" and coming from activa, this was something I had foreseen. Also, for some reason she says opening boot is a hassle because of pressing and rotating clockwise, then again anticlockwise without pressing for opening boot is too much for her, as our 2007 activa had separate key slot for opening boot. So, as Shumi said, family scooter cant be too good, is soo true! Other than that, it is having good enough space with frunk and boot to carry weekly groceries, makes this purchase justifiable to her.

[@santa2944]

Hi. Thanks for the video i feel more informative to buy this scooter. #Request:# Pls share a review on Nexon new 45. How is the new battery pack better from cylinder cell.

[@anuvardhank.n3337]

34:08 we need more segments about safety equipments and quality standards.

[@bmnihaal]

I too feel they have rushed, the biggest showroom in indiranagar, b'luru still doesnt have test rides or display, deliveries are postponed to aug..!!. But some of north indian showrooms have started test rides. Also I felt rush on indie is aggressive than warp on 450x 😅 The battery cost for 2.9kwh ather is 74k as of today.

[@motorinc]

Oh! Thanks for letting us know @bmnihaal! We just hope that when customer scooters arrive, they're completely niggles free.

[@Purrringcat]

Idk why but it's really satisfying to watch this video, well made!

[@motorinc]

Thank you @Purrringcat

[@JIMEETGALA]

When can we expect a full review on the Rizta? Been holding my buying decision for it.

[@motorinc]

Not anytime soon @JIMEETGALA.

[@ArunSapaare]

I'm surprised that the ride didn't happen at Mecco Kartopia!🙃 Shumi's favorite place in Bengaluru!🤪😂😂

[@motorinc]

😂

[@sathigoswami6830]

Everytime I forget to tell you guys how much I love your intro, I love it

[@motorinc]

Thank you @sathigoswami6830!

[@aditya_k43]

The Porsche panamera reference to ather rizta was on the point 🫡