Atlantis: The Lost Empire - Nostalgia Critic

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[@deshawnedwards6412]

Review South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut.

[@deshawnedwards6412]

Review The Simpsons Movie.

[@kingalec6446]

Decent movie.

[@midnightthesmartfox9981]

Atlantis was one of those movies I never watched that much. But I might give it a rewatch now

[@HAL-st4ll]

Can you review Toy Story maybe?

[@xxTC-96xx]

Disney threw this and treasure planet under the bus to specifically kill their 2D department, they did them so dirty

[@kamron_thurmond]

Disney is awful for so many reasons this being one of them

[@brandonspain12345]

Well you got to remember at the time, 3D movies were the new name in Hollywood. Shrek, Jimmy Neutron, Ice Age, Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo were dominating the box office and 2D was considered old fashioned at the time. In order for Disney to be the top of the world again they had to adapt or die.

[@xxTC-96xx]

@@brandonspain12345 unfortunately they did it in a very bad way sacrificing a whole department for another instead of keeping both but Disney was always desperate for that money more than the medium, and only now are other studios realizing the appeal of 2D again. I feel like their attitude towards 2D didn't help either with how they marketed their 3D animation being "for grown ups/more edgy"

[@dannythecursedone7091]

I am glad these movies have a bit of a cult following

[@Igorcastrochucre]

Please do not drag this movie into your conspiracy bullshit. I was there, it was heavily marketed, had lots of tie-ins and you couldn't escape the advertizing, it bombed because of its lukewarm reception and being a 2D movie in a world where CG was the new thing.

[@tayloredwards1675]

In the age bit, Milo didn’t say “a hundred years old,” he said, “That would make you 85, 88 hundred (8,800) years old.” this makes the line up with Plato possible

[@KratosTheBlood]

I thought of that too. It seems like an odd thing to lie about for a joke.

[@garaj1]

Yeeaah, as much as i enjoy the NC, i stopped watching regularly once i realized Doug tends to stretch the truth to set up his jokes. This isn't the first time he's done it

[@TheDorkEnygma]

I wonder if it was less a lie and more of a mis hearing. He thought the line was "85, 85, a hundred years old" As if he was just counting up.

[@KratosTheBlood]

@@TheDorkEnygma Also a possibility.

[@dustrose8101]

@@TheDorkEnygma He does have a tendency to miss details so I wouldn't be surprised if he was genuinely confused.

[@cassyblack3346]

"Fuck the haters, I like it." really sums it up for me. The scene in the crystal chamber still gives me chills and I think is one of the most amazing scenes that Disney has ever done.

[@bioticjedi3864]

Same

[@Kristin-A-Book-Dragon]

Agreed

[@christopherhodges7607]

Beautifully animated and scored. Love how with Kida's crystal goddess designt its impossible to tell where the cgi(if any) ends and the hand drawing begins.

[@someonerandom8552]

Honestly this and Treasure Planet are among my personal favourite Disney films. They have their flaws, sure. But IMO they’re criminally underrated.

[@GuardianGrarl]

So Doug having his fictional alter ego look at the camera and say *fuck those who hate this movie* is what does it for you ?? Don't care if he wants the N.C to be taken seriously or as comedy, he just says fuck those with a negative opinion about that movie... I don't get how he's still popular.

[@ender7278]

I actually thought the twist villain worked really well precisely because it wasn't much of a twist. He had villain written all over him and barely tried to hide it.

[@mariogirl8100]

Yeah, there were moments of foreshadowing during the movie, one in particular was when they were on their way to see the king.

[@sircoletrain8373]

@@mariogirl8100 if anything, its more of a redemption arc for the other characters. Seems kinda wrong to call him a bad "twist" villain, when Milo was the only one not in on it

[@alexello1189]

The dead giveaway is when they’re crossing the bridge and he says “this changes nothing”

[@travisdelafuente1150]

Honestly this guy was a villain I could tell by his design because he looked Sykes from Oliver and Company and Clayton from Tarzan and you can tell a Disney villain (even a bland one) by their design and here I felt like this was the last good twist villain we would have from Disney.

[@anni1348]

That's right, in the scene where the Team first discovered Atlantis and enter it with their cars and recognize that their is still a living breathing society Helga says something on the line like "We didn't knew, there was still a living society down here, that changes everything" and Commander Rouke says "No, that changes nothing about our original plan". And before that when Milo befriends the rest of the team, he asks them about their Motivation for this journey and they all straight up say "Money". So there is never a twist happening, we all know right from the beginning that Commander Rouke and to certain extent also the rest of the team are villians, it's written all over their foreheads

[@antwanscott97]

Between THIS and Treasure Planet, these 2 movies are completely underrated under the Disney umbrella

[@darthstarkiller1912]

My preteen self would totally agree with you. Watched those movies so much when I was 10.

[@justingochioco1121]

Atlantis bombed because it came out the same month as Jurassic Park 3 and Treasure Planet came during the same time as Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter

[@rustyshackleford6633]

Treasure Planet would make an amazing live action remake if they did it right.

[@RomanceFreak]

AMEN TO THAT!!! 👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️

[@HyperKadaj]

@@justingochioco1121 Treasure Planet also dueled with Don Bluth's "Titan A.E.", which had some similar elements. The duel was destructive for both of them, and this caused both to flop. I've seen the latter (recently, might I add), but I haven't seen the former in its entirety. Personally, I find the more mature Titan A.E. to be better overall, but, to be fair, I'm also older than Treasure Planet's target audience.

[@claytonrios1]

Honestly this might be one of Disney's most underrated films

[@blackskullraven]

And treasure planet

[@claytonrios1]

@@blackskullraven Yeah that one too.

[@chayden153]

Oh definitely

[@AtsumuMiya123]

No that's Home On the Range. Fight Me!

[@icicleo798]

This and treasure planet by far are the two most underrated.

[@the-lesser-known1157]

I loved his closing line; “Fuck the haters, I like it!” (I feel the same about Treasure Planet.)

[@c0mpu73rguy]

Treasure Planet was amazing! And so was Atlantis.

[@LadyOnikara]

Yep! Treasure Island is one of my favorite stories. Treasure Planet and Muppet Treasure Island are my favorite ways that it's been told.

[@SuperNovaArtz]

That movie is also wonderful to watch

[@Aon_Duine]

I'm amazed that people don't like this movie, and now I am a lot more amazed that people don't like treasure planet... Wtf? Maybe it's because I'm from Mexico and here people love those two movies

[@Lorenzo957080]

I liked Atlantis and for me it's a great movie, but in my opinion Treasure Planet is even better.

[@Slothclawcolseslaw]

I laugh hysterically every time Milo tries to punch the badguy, and he just catches his hand and hits him with it. Its so nonchalant, but it gets me every time

[@JosephDutra]

I like that they didn’t make Milo some macho badass or secretly learned karate or something. He clearly has no strength and has to make up for it with his brains and wits.

[@MasterAnakinSkyWalker]

"Forget your jammies, Mrs. Packard?" "I sleep in the nude." "Gonna need one of these. She sleepwalks."

[@supermariof0521]

Yeah back when PG actually meant something.

[@YakkoWarnerTower]

Lol, those jokes probably wouldn't slide nowadays imo.

[@Southern-trout0]

He just hands him a loaded gun.

[@Southern-trout0]

@cecily boyd I know I was just making a joke

[@johnnysparkle]

A Family Picture

[@kaytenn1]

Atlantis: the lost empire is so underrated it makes me sad, Kida is a Disney princess goddammit

[@gamefan6219]

i DON'T care what people say about this and Treasure Planet! THEY WERE BOTH SO GOOD, AND DESEREVED BETTER!!

[@rottonart]

Honestly, this era of Disney is kinda my favorite. Not the sequel stuff that was coming out obviously. But this movie, treasure planet, lilo and stitch, and emperors new groove are some of my favorite Disney movies.

[@theprofesionalist7927]

I honestly don't know what NC was thinkin up until now. He's basically hopping on the "UWU, wuz dis?" hype train of people that've been reacting to this movie lately when he should've reviewed it a long time ago since he's the God damn Nostalgia Critic!

[@RYMAN1321]

And she was one of my childhood crushes. Man is she attractive 😍

[@IronllamaZero]

She's certainly more of a Disney princess than Mulan, who isn't even a princess. She was a villager and then she's a soldier, but at no point is she a princess.

[@thewinterprince1731]

"Fuck the haters I like it." THANK YOU! I have always LOVED this movie, so much that I never understood why people hated it! Now I kinda get it at least, but I still think it's far from terrible!

[@percival086]

You might be interested in Doug's "10 movies I love but everyone hates" list. Its a very old video but Atlantis the Lost Empire was part of it.

[@Wrathchild1995]

I honestly don't get some of the hate for this and why it got mixed reviews, same with Treasure Planet. That is such a heart-warming film, it sucks that it never got a sequal 🙁

[@UltimateGamerCC]

oh yeah, definitely not terrible, but that's what happens when you try to please everyone, you get flaws.

[@redrasegarden]

Wait,people hate this? I thought this was solid

[@MrMarinus18]

As a kid I absolutely loved that submarine. Even now it still looks awesome and those subs 'flying' around shooting is still a great action sequence.

[@lockwoan01]

Milo: What are you doing this for? Team: Money. Me: Well, at least they're honest. Later - Team: Talks about the reasons they want/need the money. Me: Well, that's kind of heartwarming.

[@100lovenana]

That's something more stories should do often. "Money as a motive" has become such a shallow trope, but in reality money IS a very important thing, it is essentially what keeps us alive by giving us food, hygiene and a home. In this movie they justify how the characters are struggling because of the lack of money. Unfortunately they only do that with the good guys, if only they had given the main bad a similar understandable reason for what he does, but it never happens, so he becomes a form of the shallow trope.

[@lockwoan01]

@@100lovenana Well, I could imagine some ideas - Bad incident in the Army (there was a war within the prior 15 years, called the Spanish-American War, plus the campaign in the Philippines) Troubled marriage Not living up to expectations (there was the mention of a Good Western - maybe grandpappy was a lawman/gunslinger out West, or had a successful career in the Army.)

[@100lovenana]

@@lockwoan01 Exactly, anyone can come up with understandable reasons, but for some reason the writers felt lazy with this one

[@lockwoan01]

@@100lovenana Well, maybe he was just plain Greedy for A Lot of Money.

[@miloscott6617]

Yeah, that makes sense

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

I loved this movie as a kid, re watched It many many times. Such a cool art style and aesthetic

[@brahemedays2914]

Not to be a jerk, but atheistic is very different from aesthetic.

[@Dorraj]

I'm so confused. I absolutely adored this film as a kid. I only just now realized that it was regarded as bad... Wtf

[@dylanpullock6972]

@@Dorraj its not regarded as bad, just a box office bomb as in it underperformed in cinema's mainly due to the story being considered too mature for kids during a time when animation still bore the stigma of a child's medium. It has a surprisingly strong cult following and did well enough to generate a buzz for a sequel (bearing in mind that the sequel was comprised of the first 3 or 4 episodes of a cancelled series that disney didn't want to go ahead with despite the fan buzz at the time.

[@brahemedays2914]

I'm still in love with this movie.

[@SpicyRikers]

Same here, had it on cassette! Played it alot lol

[@brianbommarito3376]

There was something in Rourke’s tone when he says his first line: “Milo Thatch.” It’s way too smooth, like Shere Khan if he said the name Mowgli, affectionately like he’s trying to get on the man cub’s good side, but really he’s sizing him up for a meal. James Garner did such an incredible job. Admittedly, Helga had the exact same line, and I was surprised when she turned.

[@fendelphi]

Helga was a bit more conflicted though. This could be a very clever way of portraying "women's struggle" in the early 20th century(she had to act like a man, while using her womanly charms to get ahead in the world), willing to go very far to get what she wanted(being acknowledged and seen as an equal, which Rourke ultimately did not and betrayed her). I mean, it looks like several times that she is "just playing the power game", but occasionally stumbles when an order is given which conflicts with her inner self(she seems to value human life a bit more than Rourke). It also fits with her aggressive tone towards Milo early on. She wants to intimidate and tease him a bit. Or it could just be an interesting character which was not just a female carbon copy version of Rourke. In the end, she is a bit more of a silent antagonist compared to Rourke, which actually, in my opinion, speaks volumes about her personality, and makes her a great foil for Rourke, as it makes him out to be even more of a maniac. She is not as consumed by greed and has a different "true" motive behind why she is doing all this. But we never get to know exactly what. By the way, I dont think Rourke is a bad villain. He is not a great villain(mostly due to being a "surprise" villain type), but his motives are pretty clear, and if you consider the tensions of WW1 looming around the corner, it kind of make sense. I mean, his soldiers are all faceless goons and looks like they have been pulled from some hellish battlefield, so him turning out to be a warmonger is not that surprising.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

oh yeah, Rourke was instantly labeled "villain" as soon as he showed up, the only question was WHEN he was gonna turn, not if.

[@johnnysparkle]

In a 2020 interview, Kirk Wise revealed that a true sequel was being planned out at one point. It would have introduced a new villain who was described as "wearing big, scary, wool, bulky, World War I-style clothing with a frightening gas mask" and would have lead an army of mercenaries to take back Atlantis to finish Rourke's work. The twist would have been that this new villain was actually Helga Sinclair who survived her fall at the end of the first film and be brought back as a "early-20th-century cyborg"

[@claytonrios1]

That sounds nuts! But I want to see that now!

[@Silver77cyn]

Damn, that would have been amazing, but noooooo Disney gotta remake Lion King with awful realistic graphics.

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

there is a sequel to this but i think it was a disney straight too dvd

[@darthcinema4262]

That sound badass. I want THAT sequel, but instead, we got Milo's Return

[@olleselin]

Wow

[@tartanclad3476]

To be honest, I always took Helga as a character that is putting on an act for the most part. Someone who actually does have a backstory like the others but is too secretive to let us in on it. In the early part of the movie, I imagined that she's not used to the whole fem fatale look (being more of an adventurer/soldier type) and is putting on a show for Milo on Whitmore's behalf (Hence the whole awkward 'ho ho ho'). Later on, when Kida starts praying, Milo looks her right in the eye and she starts and looks away, as if just for a moment she's finding it hard to justify what she's doing, in contrast to the wholly malicious Rorke. Unlike the others, however, she sticks to it and ultimately pays for it. I think a lot of the crew characters in the background are similar. It's easy to look at all the soldiers as faceless stormtroopers, but we saw who many of were before the final battle. Every one of them were mourning after the submarine came down, they were all pulling together during the vehicle journey. I only wish we got to see a bit more random interaction between them as we only actually hear them talking during the submarine battle. Atlantis was always my favourite Disney movie though, so maybe I'm reading too much into it. I enjoyed your video Nostalgic, but I'm a little sad you didn't talk about two of my favourite aspects of the movie. The incredible music, and also the gorgeous design of the dieselpunk vehicles, providing that lovely contrast to the fantasy sci-fi; the submarine is an obvious example, but I also mean the driller, the different trucks that all have a clear logistic purpose in an expedition, the aircraft launchers and (my favourite) the recurring 'barrel' truck that suddenly turns out to be the airship.

[@zadok23]

And in the cavern she's visibly awestruck when the heart of Atlantis transforms Kida, unlike Rourke who looks bored as shit the entire time.

[@DropKickAnEwok]

I whole heartedly agree on the Diesel punk look, this show forever captured my imagination and fueled my current love for that aesthetic, I've always wished we got more like this and Treasure Planet

[@user-po8ri5pq9g]

Yeah, I've always loved the nuance you mentioned there.

[@Fiondra]

Yeah, Helga’s character came off as nuanced to me, not confusing, and I loved it. Even without knowing her motivation, we get the more complicated villain from her that NC is upset here Rourke wasn’t. The telling line is when she says “Commander, there were not supposed to be people here, this changes everything” and Rourke says “this changes nothing.” From there on we see her wrestling between her guilt and her loyalty to the job and to Rourke. And I think loyalty is exactly what she’s all about. NC is confused by her speech and actions at the beginning, but as you pointed out, it always seemed clear to me that those first interactions were a bit she was doing on Whitmore’s behalf, because he’s a goof and likes jokes, and she’s a committed and dependable employee (ahem, soldier). It becomes clear that Rourke is her ultimate loyalty though, and I think her other big telling line is when he goes to throw her off and she says “you said we were in this together, you promised me a percentage.” What drives her, even despite her personal morals and subsequent guilt, is loyalty, and what she’s ultimately furious about is the breach of that loyalty.

[@johnmacneill7489]

You're absolutely right but at the end of the day it's still a kid movie and well would have been hard to see one of the soldiers it's just a simple man trying to pull up enough money so he can retire with his family getting vaporized into dust in the final battle

[@tjjordan4207]

Fun fact, the King of Altantis was actually blind because he looked into the brightness of the crystal the moment it fused with his wife on the day Atlantis fell. I love the fact that they didn't say this or even have some reveal, it was left up for us to figure out.

[@AndreNitroX]

Agreed as a kid I never got that. But stuff like this I love as an adult

[@MissFlow]

For a moment I thought heee Kida also looked up when her mother was chosen but then I remembered: once she fused with the crystal her father told her to look away. he kept looking tho :(

[@FallenKuroTaiyo]

I like that so much. He didn't want his daughter to see her mother die, but couldn't bring himself to look away from the woman he loves in her final moments, and it ends up being the last thing he ever sees.

[@khronostheavenger8923]

His blindness makes it even better when calls out the villain for coming armed. The King didn't need to see to know what these "explorers" were about.

[@tjjordan4207]

@@khronostheavenger8923 In a sense, it was pretty much an ironic punishment for him. He said that he wanted to use the crystal as a weapon, which hints he was probably looking to expand his empire. He had a vision and he ended up losing it, while the last thing he ever saw was the love of his life dying. Poetic.

[@ashessakura7518]

Okay, that scene of Kida walking across the water, the score playing, the atmosphere of that scene- As a kid it gave me chills right up my spine and as an adult watching this I still adore this film. I don’t care what it’s downfalls are, I love it warts and all

[@artistic_0ddball793]

is that a shrek reference?

[@lisaleyendekker8305]

Remind me why Kida is not in the Disney princess lineup and there isn't a ride for Atlantis in Adventureland? Disney! You're sleeping on a cult classic!

[@ashessakura7518]

@@artistic_0ddball793 It wasn’t meant to be but now I’ve just remembered that line from Shrek 2 XD

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Including the part where the score stopped. Part of a great score is knowing when not to have music.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

@@lisaleyendekker8305 She was never meant to be with the Princess line, and the style likely would have clashed. BUT A "BATTLE WITH THE LAVIATHAN" RIDE WOULD HAVE BEEN AWESOME!.

[@MultiMcgruber]

I always liked how the Leviathan was depicted as a truly intelligent machine, not just a malevolent entity. The first thing it does on discovering the Ulysses... Is to inspect it, look at it. It's millenia old, and it's never seen anything else like it. Of course, once the torpedos strat flying, the Leviathan becomes enraged by the first thing to actually fight back... Ever, and goes from poking at the sub with its claws, to unsheathing a goddamned high energy particle beam. Which is so goddamned far out of left field for what you'd assume is just a giant robot lobster...

[@johnDoe-gv8si]

If the Disney Animated Universe takes place all in the same realm, it's entirely possible Leviathan's trailed after Ariel as she rummaged through the ship wrecks. Mermaids are a regular sight and she's not a threat but Leviathan still gives her a glower when she's overstayed her welcome.

[@The_M4ze]

@@johnDoe-gv8si Which was probably ALL the time because it's Ariel lol

[@belliebun4529]

I don’t think I ever noticed that about the Leviathan before, but thinking about it now that really makes you think about how wild Atlantean technology must have been before they got flooded.

[@belliebun4529]

That does raise the question, though - in that one short with the Vikings, their boat was also destroyed by a powerful beam, but they were attacked by a creature with tentacles. Did the Leviathan attack the tentacle monster and catch them in the crossfire, or are those tentacles also a part of its construction?

[@MultiMcgruber]

@@belliebun4529 The tentacles are part of the Leviathan, in between the smaller claws it has near its head. One thing that was strongly implied in the follow up series is why the Atlanteans had *multiple* Leviathans. Think about it, the rest of the world was barely bronze age, tech wise. The flying fish fighters alone would have been utter overkill! Let alone half a dozen city sized nuclear powered flying doom lobsters. The answer of course, was that the Atlanteans were fighting the elder gods and eldritch horrors, literal goddamned Cthulu.

[@sakurap95]

I figured the reason Helga looked “weird” as Kida prayed was because the scene was supposed to slightly redeem her. Helga could’ve snapped at Kida, like Rouke, but Helga doesn’t. Apart from the language barrier, I think Helga slightly sympathized with Kida as a woman and didn’t want to interrupt her. So she hesitated and let Milo do it.

[@nukeninmgt1504]

I rewatched it just last night and i totally agree. The vibe I got was Helga once again secondguessing which side she chose. Unfortunately for her she had more greed than morals and didn't listen to herself.

[@addisonwelsh]

Helga is shown to have her doubts about the taking the crystal after they find out the Atlantians are still alive. "Commander... there were not supposed to be people down here. It changes everything."

[@shimmeringsolstice258]

Okay but like the EXPRESSION WORK on this movie is SERIOUSLY top notch oh my god. Especially on Helga, Kida, Milo it's so good. Oof. Like it's so NATURAL. When Helga is talking to Cookie when she wipes her lip with her finger AHH it's so just....god I love it. And when she was listening to the weird noise the scorpion thing made the face was like a GOOD thinking face too. So good. Also the smirk she has when Kida socks Mole....love it. Also Kida herself has a lot of good expressions as well-lip biting, and wide eyes again it's just...sooo NATURAL. Also when she sighs when the group leave the king's chambers at first sigh. GOD I love this movie.

[@carlotta4th]

....and the guys? xD

[@shimmeringsolstice258]

​@@carlotta4th lol the guys have goood expression work too-I did mention Milo but I just love the work on the ladies lol But Milo's movements and expressions are also very natural too. When Vinnie was talking about the flower shop and he puts his hand on his face to rest it there so good, also when Sweet is resting his hand on his face...And when they're all "someone needs to talk to the girl...good man thatch thanks for volunteering." Milo has that PERFECT "what in the fck just happened?" look its great lol. This movie just has natural body movement down pat that newer disney movies seem to lack. They're getting body proportions right but not that natural...the little things us humans do on a regular basis. Hands on the face, looking pissed is something is upsetting us...and sure its not like new disney movies lack emotion they do but just...something about the animation in this movie is just....BAM.

[@picafresas1182]

I thought I was the only one who LOVED when Helga wipes her lip with her finger, im so happy someone else appreciates details like that omg!

[@AndreNitroX]

There are so many reaction shots that look amazing in slow motion

[@ArtThingies]

@@shimmeringsolstice258 i also appreciated how not only were the expressions so good and natural, they were also heavily varied based on the personality of each character. Vinnie's great expressions and mannerisms look different from Sweet's, you can tell they all come from different backgrounds and cultures, and yet every variation felt just as natural!

[@Roronoa2zoro]

"There's a sucker born every minute" - P.T. Barnum Pretty sure that's what Rourke referred to.

[@Blokewood3]

That is what he was referring to, although Barnum didn't actually say that in real life. It was most likely said by David Hannum, during the Cardiff Giant hoax when Barnum made a copy of the giant and said his was the "real" one. People came to see Barnum's giant and the owners of the Cardiff Giant tried to take Barnum to court for slander for calling their giant fake, but the judge threw out the case because the giant *was* fake.

[@Roronoa2zoro]

@@Blokewood3 Yeah, the origin of the phrase is much disputed, but it *is* most commonly attributed to Barnum, though.

[@LadyOnikara]

And nowadays, they're born every second.

[@AndreNitroX]

Accurate

[@totogamer6735]

Opinion: Despite Rouke being a surprise villain, we’ve known him for about an hour at that point. With most of the others, it usually with characters we haven’t gotten to know as well. It also helps that Rouke was likable and cool before the reveal courtesy of the late James Garner. But as Doug pointed out, it’s pointless for him to steal the crystal for money if he could have been rich for just finding the city anyway. I get the Atlanteans not giving strangers their treasure, but just being the head of the expedition that found a mythical city is more than enough to give him fame and fortune. With that said, Even with a weak motivation, Garner still gave Rouke some charisma.

[@Movypro23]

Especially with classics like maverick and the Rockford files, he was always great with personality changes

[@AndreNitroX]

Rourke would have been a perfect villain if he was full soldier boy and was stealing the crystal to help win world war 1

[@MLdoktor]

@@AndreNitroX yes, total American or British patriot doing anything to save his comrades,, or at least German spy.. But money is boring

[@LazyCharms]

I really liked Rourke as a villain, even though his motivation *is* pretty boring. I admit that most of it is the voice acting, but I also kind of enjoy the type of villain that seems genial and fatherly/motherly on the outside.

[@AndreNitroX]

@@MLdoktor i honestly dont have a problem with it, but i do wish the villains motivation was better since all the characters were dimensional up until that point. but greed is still a powerful motivator.

[@coffeepot3123]

I actually liked the dialog of Helga. And the line "I came down the chimney, ho ho hooo" always cracks me up. lmao

[@NachoCheeseDorito-Kun]

It's got the energy of a brutal soldier trying to understand what a femme fatale is and I love her for it

[@nukeninmgt1504]

This is pure speculation but I always thought she was a German agent that joined Rourke. Hence her femme fatale vibe and her inability to connect with people outside of a military/merc context. Also the over the top accent and often awkward turns of phrase.

[@themrmezbah]

The villain was truly terrifying, his face when he's trying to kill Milo Is nightmare fueling for a kid.

[@jbark678]

And when he became that crystal creature.

[@intheforest7482]

@@jbark678 Yes. That part was so disturbing and yet so cool to me as a kid.

[@samkresil6011]

As well as the opening to the film where Kida's mother died (I thought that scene was quite haunting to me as a kid), the scene where Milo scars Roarke and turns him into that crystal creature is what I mostly remember and I hadn't seen it all the way through.

[@boitata2617]

@@jbark678 Yes, the thing is I am not sure which is scarier, the appearence or the sound...

[@cheyblake2475]

@Hello Friend Is that what the movie really was???...

[@myoumyou90]

"Fuck the haters, i like it!" Took the words right out of my mind! Shame this was release during...those times. If it were release now or decade ago i bet it's a hit.

[@Movypro23]

That quote should have been on the VHS box set

[@BatPierrot]

Honestly is there really much haters for this?

[@jordinagel1184]

@@BatPierrot I wouldn’t say “haters” so much as “people who find it annoying or don’t give a crap either way.” More than anything, I think this movie just gets mostly ignored.

[@dragonkingeeveegen1484]

There are so many things I can use that for

[@orangeslash1667]

@@BatPierrot The Problem is that many people felt that the story was rushed, and what it was. The original script was about Two and half hours long, so they made cut it into one hour.

[@khosrowrahmani710]

Nc: * _reviews Disney's Atlantis_ everyone: it's likely you're gonna review Treasure planet next time, right? _r-right...?_

[@AndreNitroX]

I pray he does

[@hermancruywagen1478]

Yes please!!!!!😊

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

He already did, a short one

[@Ebalosus]

He honestly should, as I would consider it an underrated gem.

[@MovieFan1912]

@@nicktechnubyte1184 If the review was very short, it must have been part of Disneycember.

[@tims.2717]

"If you're not impressed by any of this, you can't call yourself an animation fan." I agree! lol

[@robbieking4070]

*Favourite line:* “BOOM!!! No more Chinese Laundry.”

[@saphirawinters7028]

He took a suitcase? Marge honey, I don't think he's coming back.

[@Foreststrike]

Vinny, the greatest demolitions expert ever to grace Disney.

[@datguyuno98]

"Too bad we don't have any nitroglycerin ay Milo?" such a funny callback that I completely didn't get for years as a kid 😂

[@robbieking4070]

@@datguyuno98 “Don’t move, don’t breath, don’t do anything except…pray maybe.” “BOOM!!!!” 🤣

[@Godzillakingofkaiju1]

@@saphirawinters7028 PACKARD!!!!!

[@IsleofJaya]

Cookie: What is this? Helga: That would be lettuce. Cookie: LETTUCE!?! UK LETTUCE!?! Helga: It's a vegetable, Cookie. The men need the 4 basic food groups. Cookie: I got your 4 basic food groups; Beans, Bacon, Whiskey, and Lard!

[@movieman175]

😂 love that

[@forwhomthetacobelltolls]

You got my wagon busting with non essentials! Look at this, cinnamon, oregano, ci-lantro? Now what in the cock-a-doodle is ci-lantro?

[@AndreNitroX]

I used to say the same thing about veggies when I was 5

[@articusramos808]

*Alarm blaring*

[@mAcroFaze]

@@articusramos808 Alright cowboy, pack it up and move it out!!

[@Snapshot_the_Mad_Hatter]

I actually genuinely like this movie a lot, the historical and mythological theme of this movie was impressive to me, not to mention the story taking place at the beginning of ww1 interesting, especially with the mix of Steam-Punk and ww1 technology and weapons, the Leviathan was one of my favorite Atlantean weapons…

[@nashvillepredsfan2562]

Try watching stargate it’s an awesome movie that follows a similar plot

[@Snapshot_the_Mad_Hatter]

@@nashvillepredsfan2562 I own the DVD, and yes I agree…

[@bluebadboy1871]

The ww1 weapons were my favorite parts but why the ppsh

[@Nekujii]

Dieselpunk is the name of this aesthetic, it seems to be making a comeback.

[@Snapshot_the_Mad_Hatter]

@@bluebadboy1871 I think it’s supposed to be the Hellriegel 1915

[@TJRymer89]

I believe that the PT Barnum reference is the quote that's often attributed to him: "There's a sucker born every minute." It fits - his team is growing maudlin and sentimental in his view and he believes they've bought into a fool's bargain instead of making the smart decision.

[@ShadwehUmbrea]

"... and they send Kida's father's Majora's mask into the air." That line killed me! :)

[@Rejukem]

"You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?"

[@AliAngelpie]

Interesting fact: when Kida's father shielded her from the light enveloping her mother, it resulted in him being blinded, which we see later. So not only was he the last thing he saw his wife as she sacrificed herself for their people but he also protected his daughter so she can become the next guardian of their kingdom and boy did she do a good job! True she was captured, but she's no damsel in distress waiting for a prince. Also Audrey's dad wanted sons, yet she and her sister fulfilled his expectations!

[@edgarbanuelos6472]

You dropped this 👑

[@ariadnefrolich7243]

I never realized that! Thanks for the info!

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

Huh. So that explains it.

[@AliAngelpie]

@@edgarbanuelos6472 thanks ☺️

[@AliAngelpie]

@@ariadnefrolich7243 No problem!

[@savagenature1]

So, we're just going to skip over Rourke turning on Helga, their brief fight, and Helga getting in that one final shot before dying in the explosion? Personally, those were among the moments that always stuck out to me. Maybe it's because up until this point I can't recall a Disney movie that featured a Male and Female Villain duo that ended up turning on each other. (Lion King doesn't count. That was a completely different dynamic)

[@IronllamaZero]

"Nothing personal."

[@grkpektis]

It was so satisfying seeing her crushed to death she was so fucking annoying

[@bioticjedi3864]

Helga may be off but she's a baddass

[@antonpotapoff8256]

I sort of agree. Although Rourke and Helga aren't really memorable villains, so it's no wonder their dynamic wasn't acknowledged.

[@kingtonsiljockey528]

Lion King? Like, as in Lion King 2 with Scars "secret pride" chick with the creepy voice? Or do you mean the chick Hyena, because they ate Scar...I am confusha @m@

[@FanSoulEater]

The sound design of this movie still stays with me. Especially the leviathan and crystal Rourke’s shrieks. The song in the chamber just thinking about it gives me goosebumps. I would pay to get those sound effects to play with

[@legojedi626]

"You have disturbed the dirt!"- Mole "Get back. I've got soap, and I'm not afraid to use it."- Doctor Sweet This was my favorite movie in 2001.

[@theallstar3784]

Yeah, I didn't find the dirt bed weird because Mole was all about dirt. It made sense to me that he would have a personal collection... Although hiding in a bed is odd lol.

[@axelnilsson5124]

“Uh oh sat in the dirt didn’t ya?” Best first line ever

[@mephilesthelight4644]

“You didn’t just drink that did you? That’s not good that’s nitroglycerin. Don’t move, don’t breathe, don’t do anything except pray maybe.” Vinny

[@ForrestFox626]

My only question is, why was it in Milo's bed?

[@legojedi626]

@@ForrestFox626 Why does Mole do anything?

[@thungoda3082]

'Fuck the haters, I like it' is the geekdom energy 2021 needs.

[@libbyr.3670]

Ii

[@VivioSaf]

True words!

[@davidruelas827]

Hell yeah lol

[@gamemediafan1714]

In which sort of way are you referring to? Cause no offense but if something like phase 4 marvel stuff is being called out for their problems that's not being a "hater".

[@RYMAN1321]

@@gamemediafan1714 While I'm optimistic about Phase 4, I feel nothing will top Endgame as it did end the 11 year story. Albeit I thought Black Widow was fairly decent and am looking forward to Shang Chi.

[@Dtoons]

This is one of my favorite films in the Disney Animation Canon. Also, I wish they had it so that the Crystals is not only responsible for their longevity, but also how they know all the languages, but lost their ability to read their own, as punishment for weaponizing the crystal's powers. Maybe if the movie was a little longer they could've done that.

[@megteg]

Def always thought it ended too quickly!

[@sbatou87]

That would definitely made an interesting plot point!

[@monkeystuff661]

Cool! 🔥

[@billpegues7876]

Hmm well the king did say the crystal was in a way alive.

[@CroobieLetter]

Never try to explain your magic. Leave it for clever interpretators like you @Dtoons. If they claimed they couldn't read because of a punishment a choir of keyboard warriors would rise about how the crystals are sentient.

[@wazkangz955]

This movie is criminally underrated. Despite the character flaws, I like Helga as the deadly babe with a c96, and Kida not being recognized as a Disney princess that would wipe the floor against any of the other princesses is a whole crime itself.

[@AnEnormousNerd]

Kida vs Mulan would be a match for the ages.

[@solumanblevins5906]

Fun Fact: Had the tv series caught on they would've had a Gargoyles crossover

[@RYMAN1321]

Damn, that would've been awesome. Though is that why the sequel Milo's Return was so disjointed? I remember first knowing about it after renting the VHS from my local library in 2006 when I was 11. Imagine my disappointment.

[@solumanblevins5906]

@@RYMAN1321 Yeah, they canned the series and used what they had to make a "sequle movie."

[@bioticjedi3864]

@@RYMAN1321 it's disjointed because it was the first few episodes of the TV show, like pilot episodes but the show idea got canned so they stitched them together into a movie. I still liked it tho. That happened to a few Disney sequels, like Cinderella 2

[@thstroyur]

@@RYMAN1321 "Imagine my disappointment" Don't need to: got the sequel as a birthday present, and was _hyped_ ...

[@lonebattledroid4474]

Wait really? That would've been awesome!

[@allantidgwell5624]

Rourke: "P.T. Barnum was right" N.C look of visible confusion P.T. Barnum: "there's a sucker born every minute" Rourke was calling them all suckers

[@AndreNitroX]

I didn’t get that reference until now

[@allantidgwell5624]

@@AndreNitroX glad I could help

[@JH-cs5py]

THANK you, boy it bugs me when people don't get that. I was 14 when this came out and even I got it.

[@PhoenixRising87]

NC is kind of a dumb young msn.

[@gaaraofthefunk2011]

One of my favorite scenes is when mole whispers in Kitas ear, and she knocks the shit outta him

[@RYMAN1321]

Even as a kid, I knew he probably said something inappropriate.

[@hazbinotakusimp2182]

And Disney rarely did full on face punches so it was a big shock, and I, personally, absolutely loved it

[@tanandalynch9441]

"About time somebody hit him. I'm just sad it wasn't me." was a great followup to that scene

[@KaimArgonarEyyyy]

Atlantis is simply an amazing movie. Truly underrated. Ever since as a kid I've hoped it would be in Kingdom Hearts, because goddamn it deserves to be.

[@puppymaroon964]

Featuring Atlantis in Kingdom Hearts does sound like it would have been amazing.

[@rhysofsneezingdragon1758]

Crystal Rourke as a boss fight sounds hilarious

[@thedeekabides]

Kingdom Hearts isn’t cool enough to meet up with Atlantis.

[@KaimArgonarEyyyy]

@@thedeekabides Nah. It's already cool enough to do stuff with the Pirates, and probably Star wars next.

[@thedopdeity]

"I can't act like it's one of Disney's best." I can. I can, and I will.

[@SuperSwordman1]

Same

[@christianali5431]

“This is not Disney’s best movie.“ Me, a discerning catalyst: all the more reason for THESE movies to be the cash grab remakes, instead of the movies that everyone loved when they first came out. If Disney wants to make itself great again, it needs to use the remake factory the way it was always meant to be used. A chance to save movies from obscurity and rebuild the box office bombs. If you’re going to remake any movie for money, this is the kind of movie you should be remaking. This in live action… Perfect outing for you.

[@shadowrosegaming3566]

@@christianali5431 true but they'd still fuck it up they'd put Michael baye in charge of making it

[@SuperSwordman1]

@@christianali5431 Out of curiosity, what would you then change? Or would you keep it as a shot-for-shot?

[@christianali5431]

@@shadowrosegaming3566 You people. You Kool-Aid critics. The only reason why Michael Baye has produced so many flop movies in his lifetime is because he didn’t make friends with Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein when he had the chance. The Academy has been paid to drag him through the mud. The man is a giant in the industry. One day, he’ll get the recognition he deserves.

[@Oscar95451]

I recently won an Atlantis 20th anniversary contest, the grand prize is a rare animator's mug, A Illustrated script, A limited edition pin and a custom bag.

[@darthstarkiller1912]

Lucky...

[@pussinbootsoverweightcousin]

@@darthstarkiller1912 Lucky indeed

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Holy fuck! There was a contest!?

[@jasongradyphstiger6179]

Men that is awesome.

[@Movypro23]

I also own the script, lol

[@Sovreign071]

Regarding Helga's whole "weirdness," I sort of assumed she was more of a badass than a seductress. But she puts on the (lousy) act to make people underestimate her. Which, tbf, isn't hard in 1914. Dunno, just a little headcannon depth.

[@pompe221]

Helga is a character you don't see often. She's not really a femme fatal although she can play that role. She's badass and take-charge but she's second in command. She's a villain but she's not totally heartless (she says that having people in Atlantis changes everything, and that expression in the Crystal Cave that Critic poked fun at looked like she had some sympathy for Kida and was torn between helping her and continuing the mission.)

[@LegendPurpleDragon152]

@@pompe221 Definitely feels like there was a rewrite on Helga at some point. Like she was going to betray Roarke too, but that was eventually written out.

[@arielfangirlmendez]

So she named after a character from hey arould (sorry i can't spell)

[@jlev1028]

She felt like she belonged in the '40s considering her hairstyle and clothing. Hell, Rourke looks a WWII veteran. A lot of the movie's aesthetics seem to be misplaced. Was Atlantis originally supposed to be set during WWII?

[@Sate12]

@@jlev1028 Or shortly before, I think. There was a kind of throw away line that Germany would be very interested in crystal, but Germany didn't really rise to that kind of power until mid 1930s

[@daynelagemann4727]

Can we all just appreciate the music when the submarine is making its way down? That always sent chills up my spine, that one particular sound piece.

[@InMaTeofDeath]

This and Treasure Planet are my personal fav underrated Disney movies.

[@patrickmcguire7896]

I LOVE That movie TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@artistic_0ddball793]

Absolutley

[@YakkoWarnerTower]

Man Treasure Planet was so awesome as hell, and extremely underatted.

[@HORRIOR1]

One thing I never seen people bring up is the fact that this takes place on the brink of World War One. With that in mind, us not knowing what Rourke had in mind is for the best since it let's us speculate what WWI would have been like with the Crystal in possession of one of the forces.

[@joesmutz9287]

I always find it funny when a movie mixes up WWI Germans with WWII Germans Wonder Woman did the exact same thing They were just another side, no better or worse than anyone else. The monsters came later

[@vulcanhumor]

This. Also, Helga makes that comment about there being a few countries who'd "pay anything to find out" what the crystal can do. Rourke and co. are war profiteers. That's why they were so insistent on finding the weapon, not just the civilization. It would also provided an explanation as to why Rourke, Helga and the others went against what Whitmore wanted...someone else got to them and gave them an ulterior mission for EVEN MORE money (and other benefits) than what Whitmore was offering. And the money and political alliances might also provide some security in an unstable world. Remember, Vinny got broke out of a Turkish prison for this...who knows what other unsavory things in the other crew members' pasts might motivate them to take this route.

[@HORRIOR1]

@@joesmutz9287 Both sides were monsters in WWI. And I never specified which.

[@vulcanhumor]

@@joesmutz9287 Nobody was even talking about Germans...

[@joesmutz9287]

@@vulcanhumor "...and sell it straight to the Kaiser!" I noticed another comment mention that line was a holdover from an earlier draft of the script, but it is there, and stuck out enough for kid me to remember

[@averymerrick]

It should be noted that his voice actor, Michael J. Fox, is actually allergic to carrots.

[@joesmutz9287]

Now I'm imagining that the line was accidentally said in the recording booth and they just animated over it

[@platypusbunneh]

Really?? That's some awesome trivia!

[@jareththegoblinking3191]

Well that's unfortunate, I love carrots. And peanutbutter, my first friend is allergic

[@stephenlewis1391]

I think a better motive for Rourke would've been to use the crystal as a springboard for human civilization to advance to greater heights. With the advanced scientific and technological knowledge combined with the seemingly limitless power provided by the heart of Atlantis, the possibility of a new golden age brought on by this marvel of archaological discovery was there. This could even lead to something more of a moral debate between Milo and Rourke. At the start, Milo's intent was to bring the heart of Atlantis back with him for that exact purpose. After realizing the truth of the crystal though, he realizes that doing so is not in his best interest. Rourke, on the other hand, has no such sentiment, and wants to progress human life on the surface regardless of what it might cost this crumbling civilization. They could even throw in his own sentiment toward Milo's grandfather to make his motive twofold; not only would he advance society, he'd finally carry out Thaddeus Thatch's dreams and carry on his legacy. What do you guys think?

[@TheJoeschmoe777]

I think that if Atlantis ever gets a live action remake it should be with that exact motivation in mind.

[@Zagnutjones]

that is absolutely ten times more interesting a motive then what we got.

[@DrDolan2000]

Masterful idea, Stephen. If I could pay you thounsands of dollars right now, I would

[@billymccrary2246]

That would be a interesting motive for Rouke to had instead of being a greedy and surprised twist villain.

[@Markimark151]

This is the most underrated Disney movie of the 2000s, I was blown away that Disney would be doing something more mature like Stargate! Which as someone outgrowing kids movies at that time, Disney should’ve marketed the movie better because it’s probably why people didn’t bother to see it!

[@johnathanholmes1297]

Actually, the surprising twist could be seen when Helda asked him "Sir, does this change anything?" And he said, "This changes nothing." Making it foreshadow that he is a villain. It really isn't a surprise twist.

[@millerkarageanes1562]

Plus earlier Rourke clearly states this trip will be enriching for all of us. Not exactly being subtle with it

[@pompe221]

Also, in Whitmore's home Rourke is the only crewmember whose file only shows half his face. And when he first meets Milo he says, "This should be enriching for all of us." I don't know if that makes the twist-villain any better but at least they tried to put in some foreshadowing.

[@millerkarageanes1562]

@@pompe221 it doesn’t make him better it just makes it obvious

[@VJK102]

Indeed Its like he sjipped that scene Very weird

[@legionaireb]

She didn't ASK if it changed anything, she outright said 'This changes everything!' and Roark shuts her down by saying 'This changes NOTHING.'

[@IsleofJaya]

Fun Fact: Because she had to speak two languages. Cree Summers drove around in her car and listened to tapes of the Atlantean dialect. That way it would sound natural when she spoke it, and her English would sound slightly slanted.

[@celestialspartan1176]

I loved this film when I was a kid. I still do and the cgi and art style still hold up in 2021. Also, the Leviathan was badass!! It was basically an Atlantean flying tank!!

[@nathancrawshaw2708]

Never been so happy. Atlantis is so fu*king underated.

[@movieman175]

If any of the Disney animated movies needed a live-action remake this is it.

[@salgoragarus5854]

@@movieman175 NO NO NO NO NOOOOOO!! THIS MOVIE DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE TOUCHED BY THE TAINT OF LIVE ACTION

[@comicreaperharry3723]

Atlantis: The Lost Empire is a interesting film to say the least. There's some inconsistent tones and cliché villain and moments, but also some breath taking animation or visual, unique characters and interesting ideas too. It's a film which show some of Disney repeating strength and weakness, but if you just ignore the movie's false and just enjoying it for what it is, it can be a interesting experience. It's not for everyone, but it is really underrated.

[@AndreNitroX]

When you take into account the effort the creators went through to construct the world building you love this movie even more

[@MrMarinus18]

As a kid I absolutely loved all those machines and designs. Even now as an adult they still look so cool. I also don't see why children wouldn't understand the talking. I understood it perfectly. I also don't see how the tone is inconsistent, it has that late teenage vibe going throughout the whole thing.

[@thechad4485]

Milo says “Eighty-one hundred (8,100) years old.” Not 100 years.

[@Movypro23]

I think because Michael J Fox had to catch his breath during the line that it sounds like 2 different numbers. He did that a couple of times in the BTTF trilogy

[@JosephDutra]

I think Doug purposely cut it that way so he could make a joke.

[@ellie8574]

@@JosephDutra maybe, maybe not, but I'm ashamed to say that I thought that Milo said "100 years old" up until this point too.

[@colinharter4094]

Thank God, because I was having a Mandela effect that was fucking with me and it was not letting up.

[@daryatislenko4651]

In Russian dub he rounds it to 9k years.

[@moonstruck8245]

Atlantis is such a gem, I hate that it got so shafted at the box office. It had a great cast with a lot of POC, which was *super* rare at the time, it was gorgeously animated, had beautiful music and just...was so stunning. Treasure Planet got shafted too, even if the CG wasn't so great.

[@SanctusBacchus]

Screw your braindead obsession with "POC" - a fucking ridiculous term - something is good or not on its merits. In fact, usually the more "POC" a Western movie has, the worse it is.

[@danstrikker6465]

If you care about diversity, you're looking at the wrong thing. All you should care about are good actors.

[@alim.9801]

​@@danstrikker6465 you can care about more than one thing my friend

[@deuceydee3506]

@@danstrikker6465 One doesn't have to come at the expense of the other, as this movie clearly demonstrates Diversity on its own may not be a perfect formula for success, but nor is it an inherent detractor. Treating it as an unfortunate compromise every single time is a precursor to prejudice

[@captainpep3]

Why does it matter whether or not someone of a different race was in it?

[@joshuayee8374]

The villian in this movie is honestly one of my favorites. He isnt really a twist villian IMO, because he drops some pretty heavy hints. He is intimidating and interesting. Sure his motivations aren't the most complex, but at least he has some charm.

[@ianrose6218]

I feel like people miss the major hint he drops as they’re entering the city for the first time. Helga’s moral quandaries over the real plan come up, and Rourke shows his true colors. It explains a lot about both of their motivations. On top of the likable characters being in it for the money, why wouldn’t the military commander be in it for the same thing. That’s not even mentioning that he likely felt forced into making sure the mission succeeded after the Leviathan body count caught everyone off guard. Whether it was out of personal desire to get something out of it or guilt is up to the viewer, but I’m leaning toward the former. And that’s ignoring what Milo can’t see: it took them over a week to get to Atlantis, and their submarine was completely destroyed on the journey; how could anyone financially benefit from a city that secluded if it stayed where it was? The historical and anthropological fields would have been given a massive jump, but nobody gains profits from archaeology unless someone steals artifacts and sells them to collectors, which he would also likely disapprove of. And that’s if they can even get artifacts out without angering the Atlantans and making them hostile to surface dwellers. I feel like the conflict here is narrow-minded ambition and refusal to adapt vs the spirit of discovery and general good will. The reason everyone changes alliances comes down to Milo guilting them into thinking how people would see them if the nature of the blood money they used came to light. Like Vinnie says, knowingly being a part of genocide is a whole lot worse than anything else they’ve done before.

[@xaayer]

@@ianrose6218 I don't know how people can miss the hints. They're pretty obvious. He has that John Silver from treasure planet vibe where you know he is the badguy from the start but is also somewhat of a good leader and father figure of sorts to Milo. But unlike John Silver, there's nothing redeeming about him in the slightest.

[@samkresil6011]

Hints like "this changes nothing"

[@brandonspain12345]

Let's be honest, we've also met people like him in real life.

[@Wurzelknecht]

Yeah, after the "this changes nothing"-line, it's pretty obvious that he's evil, and I'd take him any day over the villains from Tarzan or Pocahontas, who are also motivated by greed but were far lamer than Rourke. I don't know you immediately knew they were villains because they were shit at hiding it, and they also were a bit stupid. Ratcliff was just your typical ignorant rich guy who wanted to be even more rich and Clayton was so stupid he basically killed himself. At least Rourke comes off as a competent and intelligent villain, and had enough charm to at least fool us for a while that he may be rough but not a bad guy. Really the only mistake he made was turning on Helga, which came back to bite him in the ass. Which in turn was a nice way of showing how his greed was ultimately his undoing.

[@MusicGirl881]

Atlantis: The Lost Empire is such a good underrated movie

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah

[@majorleaguezombie796]

i know. i really wished this and Treasure Planet got much more love. i'd even love to see a crossover movie! how cool would that have been?

[@olleselin]

Yeah

[@codywelter5302]

Same

[@carloslopezortega3327]

Haters gonna hate. Good film.

[@MovieFan1912]

13:11-13:25 Shots fired. Also, I feel like this perfectly sums up almost every studio (including Disney) when it comes to creating and pushing animated franchises in a nutshell.

[@AndreNitroX]

I laughed because this is all entertainment today

[@intheforest7482]

This movie had a huge impact on me as a kid. Even after just seeing the trailer for the first time, I was completely mystified. It perfectly captures all that is enchanting and mysterious about the ocean and ancient cultures that are tied to it. The luminous shades of blue, the leviathan, the crystal transformation, the resurrection of the stone gods, the way Atlantis is designed and all the little markings that glow with the crystal's power, made this movie so memorable for me. And the gorgeous music! The unique and funny characters were great too. I remember seeing this in theaters at age 7 with my grandpa who was genuinely laughing his ass off at all the jokes.

[@yakunohayashi9653]

I think Nemoy’s performance when the Emperor was dying is the same feeling of Nimoy when everyone remembered his as Spock, and not the other roles

[@LoreReloaded]

I got to be honest… I’m now in the comments looking for the terms “YMS” “Kimba” and “do you even research “ … one frame in less than 6 minutes has probably spurred some “interesting” conversations..

[@xevious21]

Same

[@bioticjedi3864]

NGL I was looking for kimba comments too

[@polasamierwahsh421]

how so?

[@utes5532]

@@polasamierwahsh421 Kimba the white lion and the lion king have next to nothing in common other than very general concepts

[@97dusk]

@@utes5532 There's a lot more to it than "very general concepts". Several shots in The Lion King are so similar to Kimba that they might as well have copied it.

[@brianbommarito3376]

Rourke has one of the best lines in the film, “Tell Cookie to melt the butter and bring out the bibs; I want this lobster served up on a silver platter.” Say what you will about his character, he’s got guts. He’s making a joke while his ship is being attacked by a creature he’s never seen or had experience with before. He should be scared out of his senses. But if he’s afraid, he doesn’t let it show. Miss Packard is another witty character. Ordered to evacuate, but she finishes her phone call first. “He took his suitcase? Marge honey, I don’t think he’s coming back… I’ll have to call you back. No, no, I’ll call you.” (I think she’s actually probably talking to the ship like it’s an old friend, because the captain and crew are leaving for the last time).

[@brandonmorel2658]

They might sound cool, but the thing about this lines is that they are not believable at all, not even a psychopath would act like that. Let me put it like this: Imagine the captain of a ship making a witty quip remarking the dangerous situation his ship is in while his second in command waits for actual orders that might save everyone. One of the most important things in an story is that the characters act like human beings or at least act accordingly to the situation they are in, take that away, and you no longer take the character seriously.

[@bemusedbandersnatch2069]

​@@brandonmorel2658 It's based in the tradition of quippy action adventure stories a la Indiana Jones or Star Trek or going back further to pulp novels and radio adventure series so it makes perfect sense for the genre its in. Besides, rule of cool: it's a good line, ergo its justified.

[@brandonmorel2658]

@@bemusedbandersnatch2069 Yeah, I know, I think thats why we love characters like Ash from Evil Dead, his quotes are badass. Its still important for writers to know when this kind of lines are called for, characters quipping in the middle of a life or death situation is kind of hammy, it kills the stakes the scene is setting.

[@bemusedbandersnatch2069]

@@brandonmorel2658 agree to disagree. I love me some corny quips and when I stop wanting those in this genre i know it's time for me to turn off the movie and start using my critical thinking skills on my homework.

[@allantidgwell5624]

Nah, Miss Packard was legit talking to her friend Marge. I've worked with women like her

[@hollyhartwick3832]

I absolutely adore this film. I’ve watched it multiple times over the years and even used to have a bit of a crush on both Kida and Audrey. When he said it fared better overseas than in the US, that made a lot of sense to me. I was born and raised in England and there wasn’t nearly as much negative criticism there as I’ve seen since moving to the US. BTW: That line about P.T. Barnum was referring to the famous quote “there’s a sucker born every minute.”

[@DecafInvidia]

18:11 Tamara: "That's fantastic it reminds me of the years I spent in Austria. I was part of an Austrian singing family, lead by my father who was a naval commander. Four sisters and two brothers: Liest, Friedrich, Luoisa, Kurt, Brigitta, and Marta. We started our career when our governess discovered we were talented singers, and begun touring during the interwar period. We also performed in the United States before emigrating there permanently to escape the deteriorating situation Austri during World War II. My father married our governess, which was odd because he still had to pay her. We sang until 1957, when we sold the rights to our story. This resulted in a memoir, two German films, and a Rodgers and Hammerstein Broadway musical called Oklahama. Tamara has spoken." Ah yes the sound of Oklohoma music. What a great Pixar composition.

[@luigipowdemo6458]

I'm just curious what they actually said.

[@jbcatz5]

I see Atlantis The Lost Empire, I click. Simple as that.

[@Tedus987]

"Volcanos erupting because of course there is..." Me: "there was a setup scene..."

[@jaredohlstein7355]

Exactly

[@robertharris6092]

I dont think people are ready for all the lore and setup in a disney movie.

[@singingwolf8997]

"It would take an explosion of great magnitude!"

[@ironwar1863]

@@singingwolf8997 The Volcano, SHE AWAKES!!!!!

[@zachsutton2113]

Basically Metroid but volcano

[@pipedream2556]

Fun fact this shot 27:00 was considered the hardest in Disneys history at the time and probably going forward seeing as all cg animation means theyll never surpass the insane number of pages lined up to make a spectacularly enormous zoom out of the hand drawn city that the cg vehicles were added to later. An individual page was about 16 inches, and the full thing 150 ft across, like HOLY SHIT thats a lot of paper

[@Animefan-rh5ml]

I always thought that the crystals helped give the Atlanteans a longer lifespan, especially when the King mentioned mentioned Kida being alive a thousand years ago and Milo saying that the crystal getting taken away would cause them all to die

[@ericburton3963]

It did, that was one of its functions, and why he gave it to whitmore in the end, the crystals literally prolong the life of their wearer.

[@TheAero16]

The king literally says exactly that in the movie

[@AndreNitroX]

Good point I like your Juvia pic

[@MrMarinus18]

They state that literally.

[@Animefan-rh5ml]

@@TheAero16 I've seen this movie so many times and I have no idea how I forgot that. I know he says Kida lived 1000 years ago but I forgot if he said anything else

[@ryansalter2325]

This was Jim Varney's last acting role before he died over a year before the movie was released. The only line he didn't record was the "I ain't so good at speechafyn" line near the end, which was done by an impersonator.

[@Movypro23]

Probably Blake Clark who replaced him as slinky in toy story 3+4

[@ribottostudio]

*Everyone:* OMG Kida when she's possessed by the power source is GORGEOUS...In fact that whole scene is stunning. *Angry Joe:* what is-what is....what is that? WHAT IS THAT?! IS THAT WHAT I THINK IT IS? IS THAT FCKING BLUE?!

[@MonkofVibes]

75 DOLLARS FOR FKING BLUE

[@gaelofariandel6747]

@@Rynn21 I heard that Dough & Rob were more trouble than they were worth.

[@YakkoWarnerTower]

Lmao for me this literally sounds like a deleted scene. JK

[@percival086]

I actually find Angry Joe unbearable these days. Maybe my sense of humour has changed, maybe it became more obvious to me that his "angry rants" were scripted or set up, or perhaps its because I got fed up on him claiming to be a "big fan" of anything and everything when he clearly isn't and just trying to empathise with the more niche parts of his audience. I still agree with his negative stance regarding microtransactions, but pretty much everything else about him has been rather irritating. Also he's getting fat, haha. I also can't stand that one friend he brings along whenever he and Other Joe review films they've seen. I swear that dude actively refuses to find the fun or appreciation in anything.

[@koolkidz6263]

Did you know that there was actually criticism for this film not having music and not aiming for kids? Who does that?! Also to point i love this movie, it's more aimed for the mature & adult side of things, has phenomenal animation, great action set pieces, fun characters, an intriguing take on the Atlantis mythology, and a great musical score from James Newton Howard, almost the same feeling with Treasure Planet

[@thatoneguy5343]

This is why I hate critics. Animation is a medium, not a genre.

[@willrogers3793]

I feel like the only way you could make the claim that this movie “doesn’t have music” and escape with your credibility somewhat intact, would be if you specified that it doesn’t have the trademark Disney sing-alongs. This movie *absolutely* has music. The difference is, it’s music is a lot closer to Indiana Jones than The Little Mermaid.

[@truthseek3017]

Eat lots of dead animals and dairy so you can mature. You need lots of nutrition.

[@shainewhite2781]

This was Jim Varney's last film as an actor, due to losing his battle with Lung cancer in February 2000, at age 50.

[@willjenkins4195]

RIP Ernest

[@wiilov]

As someone that grew up/loved the Earnest films...I think this is a good role to go out on. It suits his typecast to a T: lovable hick with a heart of go- "ROOM SERVICE!" silver.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

In fact, he didn't quite manage to finish the movie. I think his last few lines, which is where he's in Whitmore's room with the others, was another VA.

[@makjusufbegovic8186]

@@ShadowWolfRising the only lines he didn’t finish was when Cookie said goodbye to Milo at the end of the movie. Jim was able to record Cookie’s dialogue when his character was with Whitmore.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

@@makjusufbegovic8186 Ah, I didn't know he was only 50. That's depressing.

[@joaovitorfarinabraga690]

I like that they acknowledge the language barrier, as like in the road to el dorado with is also a great underrated movie the 2 random Spaniards and the people from el dorado a place so hidden and away from the world can easily talk the same language no problem and it’s never truly explained why the “ Babel tower theory “ is just something that Milo says to trying to explain, maybe they have had encounters before like with the Shepard’s diary or it’d simply something that the magical crystal can do, I like that it’s mostly kira and the king that do the talk implying that it’s only the royal family that can speak all of those languages

[@natebit8130]

*Kida Easy mistake to make. :) sometimes I mishear names and it seems her name is often misheard as Kila or Kira.

[@juanitabrown8931]

I blame the crystals

[@PhoutianPhill]

My head cannon for El Dorado: They can't speak the same language but can understand each other; as the true Gods sent these men to free the city from Tzekel-Kan's bloodthirsty nature and protect them from Cortes and the other Spanish invaders.

[@BehindtheBellsPodcast]

Love, love, love, love, LOVE Atlantis! Had it not been for the mega success of Shrek, Atlantis might have had a bigger chance. This deserves a Disney Plus series to continue the story!

[@patax144]

a proper series, not like what ever they were trying to do with what ended up being the sequel

[@Japaneseanimeguy]

@@patax144 I think it was alluding to other ancient cultures and their religions having links to similar crystals to what the Atlanteans used and the potential dangers, what with the insane old man who thought he was Odin actually managing to summon Laufi and Surtr to start off Ragnarok.

[@sakurabloomltd.8667]

I just wanted to say, the thing that also impressed me about the movie apart from the animation was the sound design. Gary Rydstrom (who did the sound design for Terminator 2, Jurassic Park, and Saving Private Ryan) worked on this film and you could definitely tell due to the fact that a lot of the sounds have a hyperrealistic feeling to them. I really encourage you to watch the movies I mentioned without the picture but really focus on the sound effects cause I guarantee you that you will come across a couple of sound effects he's used in the past.

[@BelladonnaJojo]

Doug....Helga was **FUCKING WITH HIM** "I came down the chimney-why does it matter I OBVIOUSLY broke in. Describing his grandfather's good friend as terrifyingly as she can think-fucking with him. That look to Kida. She realized Kida was praying and the scope she felt for the situation-she knew this was actually the right place

[@blueteller]

Exactly. I'm surprised he couldn't read her at all. Especially when she was unsettled (and tried to hide it) looking at Kida acting like she saw the face of God in that cave. I think he was just too convinced that her role was "femme fatalle", and not a snarky spy/mercenary she clearly was.

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

This and Sinbad proves that sometimes you don’t always need a high quality writing, as long you just need great action, beautiful animation, and violence to please your audience. Sometimes, that’s enough

[@jessicawilson1751]

Oh man, I love Sinbad. I saw both Atlantis and Sinbad in theaters, and I recall giggling uncontrollably about the "pickles and eggs" line in Sinbad. Atlantis also had me giggling over Mole. As an adult I can appreciate the humor that was thrown into both movies for the adults in the audience.

[@michaellyle859]

Sinbad proves that even if your writing quality is somewhat lacking, an amazingly written and portrayed villainess can carry you to glory. Eris definitely deserves a spot amongst the greatest animated villains. Change my mind.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

Kinda like the first “Star Wars” film.

[@carlotta4th]

I watch Sinbad for Eris, because Lord almighty that modern slang is hard to sit through! ...Eris animation makes up for it.

[@AndreNitroX]

I love your comparison to sinbad since I always felt that the same creators made the movie

[@shadowleon659]

Disney's version of Stargate and one of the most underrated films of that era.

[@REDinitial]

The Crystal Chamber scene is everything. Again, Disney killing it with the visuals, the soundtrack, the wide shots.

[@seananderson7153]

I really enjoy Cree Summer's voice performance in this movie. She's a real gem..

[@batalorian7997]

She and many other VAs we're a big part of my childhood

[@LoneWanderer101]

REALLY!? She's a real gem!?

[@batalorian7997]

@@LoneWanderer101 why is that a problem for you?

[@ASHLEYOFFICIAL]

I saw this one in theatres. My siblings and I were brought to McDonald's and got happy meals. The toys of course were the necklaces from the movies! We were so excited and lit up our necklaces everytime the characters did in the movie. We loved this movie so much. I even named my dog Milo after Milo Thatch

[@Movypro23]

They have the blue atlantean crystal necklaces on Amazon however due to copyright they are named differently on the site but it’s the EXACT same thing as the movie lol

[@WasatchWind]

"I came down the chimney," had to be one of my family's favorite lines growing up, just because it was so absurd.

[@welcometothemetaverse2523]

Especially since we don't actually know how she got in.

[@AndreNitroX]

Same

[@sebastiengendron6427]

@@welcometothemetaverse2523 what's more funny is the fact that Milo isn't even somewhat aroused that an attractive woman is in his house, he's genuinely confused and a little angry as to why she's in his house ( mr Whitmore probably gave her spare keys or she picked the lock only to lock it again)

[@Zach-tu9lp]

Personally, I think her character makes more sense if you think of her as self aware as a fem fatale. Like she knows she’s intimidating, and is saying the most ridiculous things she can to see if she can get away with it. I also get the feeling she just likes to mess with Milo, because she can tell he’s geeky and would be easily intimidated by her.

[@AndreNitroX]

​ @Zach it would be funny to see her sneak into his house through the window or something, and then get into position. and rehearse her sexy lines.

[@reliant1701]

Atlantis, Hercules and Aladdin are my top three favorite Disney movies. They're just the best.

[@alim.9801]

Dude Atlantis Hercules and Pocahontas were my childhood top 3!!! Atlantis is still my absolute favorite. You have great taste 😌

[@partyonwayne4]

Atlantis and Treasure Planet are two of my favorite films, even with the nostalgia glasses off. While I understand their flaws, they’re animation marvels. I mean Kita’s transformation scene, Jim’s canyon scene with the wave board it’s just so cool

[@TheGalaxyDew]

i'm liking this one already!!!!

[@gameboy8425]

me too, dew

[@olleselin]

Same

[@koneheadcokehead4981]

He does it every time

[@YakkoWarnerTower]

Same! here Dew.

[@invaderperidot]

Mr.Dew What happened to the gushing Granny!? It won by a landslide, and you know it!

[@cjhs2006]

Roark:”PT Barnum Was Right” NC:”I‘ll be Remembered as a Musical?” me:no,I’m Pretty Sure Roark Was Speaking of 1 of PT’s Most Famous Quotes,”There’s a Sucker Born Every Minute”

[@alexanderaberg5854]

That makes a lot of sense, thanks for bringing this up.

[@cjhs2006]

@@alexanderaberg5854 no Problemo👍

[@MAnuscript421]

Even though there's really no Evidence he actually said it. He was a con artist and did believed that phrase.

[@2Scribble]

27:06 - much like a lot of Disney's output at the time - what, again, at the time, was trashed by critics as Disney trying to move 'too far' outside it's comfort zone is now a relief considering how formulaic their products have become. Other great examples of this would be the Emperors New Groove, Treasure Planet and Lilo and Stitch Another funny thing is that this film - in many ways - is a Marvel movie... BEFORE Marvel Movies... Think about it, the team of multinational heroes - with differing goals and desires - the inconsistent tone - the sudden reveal that the agency you THOUGHT was a hero actually NOT being a hero...

[@alexandru18]

Next you do the 2th movie

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

People hated Leo and stich?

[@jbcatz5]

There’s solid representation for the time the film was set and made in. Dr Sweet is treated as a qualified and fully competent doctor, his race never being brought up and he doesn’t embody any racial stereotypes. He’s a great doctor and a good guy. Which for the 1914 setting is very remarkable and speaks to Whitmore’s progressive attitudes. No one questions Audrey’s qualifications as a mechanic despite her gender, they take her presence as all the reason they need to trust her because Whitmore hired the best.

[@motor4X4kombat]

and Vinny is the lord of sarcasm.

[@jmvt3]

You think it’s a good thing to have current day social norms in a past setting? Why?

[@RiveroftheWither]

@Kvothe The Bloodless Why do you think history disserves a pass on past atrocities? Because "times were different"? That's a bullshit excuse and you know it.

[@jmvt3]

@@RiveroftheWither I said nothing about atrocities.

[@jlev1028]

@@jmvt3 Because it's a Disney movie. Unless it's Hunchback, Zootopia, or Pocahantas, Disney Animated Canon tends to shy away from exploring a heavy historical topic like racism.

[@rickygoldsworth8394]

"I came down the chimney. Ho. Ho. Ho." I'm sorry but that's just fcking funny lol

[@simplebutpowerful]

yeah I'm so glad Critic remarked on this line lollol

[@AndreNitroX]

Sexy😏

[@AirQuotes]

Funny and sexy. I wish Helga had been part of the team that turned on rourke

[@axelnilsson5124]

@@AirQuotes she did turn on him when he betrayed her

[@chayden153]

This is one of the most underrated Disney movies, I remember absolutely loving it when I was a kid Also Kita is a underappreciated Disney princess just saying

[@altonglass1945]

I absolutely love the darker tones and more "grounded" setting of this movie and I seriously wish more people remembered this movie the way I do, as an amazing classic in both animation quality, sound design, and memorable voice acting.

[@Captainkebbles1392]

The opening was originally pretty dark, they were a conquering war like race that got bit by their own war machines, fitting tbh Some of the most memorable characters ever Also Fox did this movie because he let his kid pick it, so thats frankly adorable

[@deuceydee3506]

It seems that concept more or less carried over into the final film, but was made more subtle. The context behind it is withheld until the final act of the movie, which I think was a clever touch, because it not only puts things into perspective, it also heightens the peril of the situation by adding more stakes. Rourke and Co. bringing the Heart of Atlantis to the surface world would basically mean the extinction of both worlds; the Atlanteans would die off without their life force, and the weaponization of the Heart's power would lead to the devastation of the surface world in a cataclysmic war.

[@irishdc9523]

"This movie has an impressive body count" In theories about Atlantis, one thought is that the city was on Mount Thera that erupted around 1,600 BCE, which sank into the Aegean Sea, killed 20,000 people in a period when the global population would've been, at most, 100 million, and caused a global volcanic winter that was recorded in China.

[@mariadoerksen9000]

I found that out by matpat and his film theory How did you find it out

[@tronzero]

According to Overly Sarcastic Productions, if you read the original story of Atlantis by Plato it's very obvious that it's an extended metaphor and that Atlantis was never intended to be a real geographical place. It's a bit like reading the parables told by Jesus and trying to find historical record of the people he's talking about; he's not really saying that this actually happened, he's just making a point.

[@AnonEMus-cp2mn]

Recently there has been a theory that Atlantis was the Eye of Africa, a geological series of rings formed by water. Evidence that the Sahara undergoes long 5,000-10,000 year cycles of oasification and desertification would have made the location vastly different than what it is today. This hypothetical time and place could have fell due to the Younger Dryas impact Hypothesis, that estimates a cataclysmic event around 12,000 BC decimated civilizations back into their infancy in the Neolithic Era. Its not a strong theory by any means, but certainly a thought-provoking one.

[@mariadoerksen9000]

Huh interesting

[@ComicalRealm]

Fun fact: It was reported in 2002 that when the "Submarine Voyage" attraction was closed down in Disneyland, it was to re-open with the theme of this film. However, due to negative feedback from some critics, the idea was scrapped.

[@jar1543]

It later got re-opend again but got finding Nemo themed

[@Valentina-ng4hh]

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!

[@micshork]

Look up “Disney World: Fire Mountain”. An entire Atlantis themed Land at Disney World that was scrapped due to 9/11.