Attack on Titan: Morality and Perspective

[@TenKromDTX]

"We were just kids, we didn't know anything"

[@MrChannelforwatching]

“That belief is hammered into the lives of children, who know nothing of the world. By adults who knew nothing themselves.”

[@WilliamXiaPADWMX]

@@MrChannelforwatching "Your mission was to save the world, I guess it's alright then. I think I understand you now."

[@ShamsunNahar-nf1ty]

"I think we were born this way."

[@aashleysaggar1836]

@@ShamsunNahar-nf1ty I am just like you Reiner

[@maxim7269]

"I just keep moving forward until i kill all of my enemies" -someone from chapter 100

[@vikas_yaadav_]

I simply started AOT to see over the top action scenes and fight, but after season 3, I am looking forward for its story and character

[@badsiki]

i think it was pretty clear from the ep1 of s1.. that its not only about action.... politics, shady govt, faith and religious aspect of walls, gory, darkness, lore, epic foreshadowing and story telling.

[@maraoi]

@@badsiki do you read the manga because in s4 it becomes basically about international politics and the morality of war(with a bit of titan action to spice it up)

[@ameameame]

@@maraoi welp. Because most of the aspects are finished/done and thats basically left to end the show

[@maxim7269]

@@roml9235 to be honest i like gabi she's just like Eren she was a kid and just doing what she's been told to do but i get why a lot of people hate Gabi

[@maxim7269]

@@roml9235 can't wait to see anime only reacting to Gabi and Reiner i'm fuckin positive 80-90% anime only will hate Gabi

[@Semblance1]

That’s exactly why there no heroes or villains, only people...

[@professionalprocrastinator4397]

That’s what I love about Aot,no over the top villain cliche stereotypes

[@kurtaskies7893]

i love aot, its pretty realistic. basically everyones the same, theres no bad or good guy. yall are just the same

[@daryeusford9696]

pyropulse that’s an anti hero

[@codafett]

Except Sargent Major Gross

[@hunggamerofficial3252]

Heroes do exist, but they are not judged based on Black and White arguments, but based on a lot of aspects of their actions. To be a Villain is very easy, you just need to get mad at life and kill everybody if you have the Abilities. But to be a Hero, you'll need to think more than just "Twice" about what you are gonna do.

[@ayaya3954]

"There's no such thing as truth in this world, that is our reality. Anyone can become god or evil all it takes is for someone to claim that to be the truth" - Eren Kruger

[@hunggamerofficial3252]

The problem with something to be "The Truth", that it has to be PROVEN. But, proving something WRONG or RIGHT, requires a lot of things, including a big Court.

[@williamshakemilk2192]

Damn I always thought the Dutch invented truth

[@tomaspinedazuluaga5413]

@@hunggamerofficial3252 you can´t prove "the truth" as a universal, you think you can prove it as nominal, but you can´t, no one can. Read Kant and you will notice that the truth is only a word that doenst correspond to reality, so there is not such thing as objective truth, only perspectives and interpretations. like Isayama is trying to say.

[@augustinedunawd9286]

Tomas Pineda Zuluaga is the statement their is no objective truth, a objective truth?

[@Brunzner]

Marika Tchbna. Your comment was really nice, but your poor grammar ruined it.

[@gjlipana881]

For example when the captain who killed grisha's sister talks about how he enjoys watching eldians get tortured and killed. We literally had the same joy and thrill when we saw him getting eaten by a titan moments later.

[@HWDragonborn]

Gross felt enjoyment at feeding Faye to the dogs because her ancestors are evil for oppressing his ancestors, we felt enjoyment at Gross's death because he is evil for feeding Faye to the dogs.

[@billysanderson4921]

@@HWDragonborn yeah the people in this comment section have some seriously fucked up moral compasses

[@harxist]

@@billysanderson4921 maybe because morality isnt objective at all?

[@joseangelherreramorales5590]

I live in Mexico, and in my country there is a lot of violence, and for my experience all the people in the country hate the criminals, and most of them think that is dumb we have to send to the jail the criminals, and almost everyone support things like torture them or make them work like slaves, then I remember what use to happen in some countries with the criminals (Like the gulags in USSR), and then realized maybe they wasn't so bad at all, not because I support the idea of torture and slave work, but because there is a lot of people who would support it. It's all matter of POV

[@mateherold6925]

Killing someone because their ancestor killed someone (the idea of "the father's sins" is rejected by every major criminal law school, mind you) and killing someone because they killed someone is definitely not the same... Faye was a completely innocent kid, whereas Gross was a literal psychopath, so we don't need to check our moral compasses to know which one's death will make us feel relieved. :)

[@cyd_hunter99]

attack on titan: *dares to question the nature of morality* twitter: "ugh, clearly you're just a nazi sympathizer"

[@mirvk0]

ikr 💀💀💀💀

[@mmmissy9725]

twitter is seriously full of shit lol I take a minute to scroll and no matter who I follow, I'll see stupid posts everytime

[@MrChannelforwatching]

Samuel Price To this day, I still don't know how people thought that about Attack on Titan. I really tried to understand where they were coming from, but I couldn't. How exactly is Attack on Titan anti-semetic?

[@jerinjohnson1529]

@@MrChannelforwatching The germanic theme of the Eldians especially their names and Aryan appearance. In the past the Eldians tried to take over the world and forced their blood into that of others to propagate their race which they viewed as superior. The ancient Eldians captured and made slaves of many other races including the ancient Marleyans. They were similar to Nazis. The thing that outrages those on twitter is how these Nazi-like people were eventually put in concentration camps and treated like monsters, forced to wear arm badges identifying them, harassed and discriminated due to their race by the rest of the world. Just like the Jews were in Nazi Germany. They don't like that in this story the "Jews" and "Nazis" are the same people. They don't like that in this story there is no clear right and wrong, nobody they can just point at and say "oh he's the bad guy". They just can't accept gray morality. In my opinion it's a very childish mindset.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Twitter is full of high school idiots. Best to avoid it if you're mature.

[@tnvmadhav2442]

"You are all precious comrades to me and have done nothing wrong, but you all have to die, that's how it is...because this world is cruel" Bertolt Hoover

[@maxim7269]

that lines makes so much sense after knowing everything

[@thechad7497]

One of the vest AoT character so far

[@starwarsfanstation403]

The Chad Poor Bertolt just wanted to see his dad.

[@Winter1145I4]

@@starwarsfanstation403 that's Annie mainly, but them three probably do want to go back to their old lives

[@grishaagrind1821]

"That same goes to you then." Eren yeager

[@trippydudevibin938]

Guys, for anyone that hasn't read the manga, there are MAJOR SPOILERS in this video. Don't get me wrong I love the content Vinii puts out on both of his channels but idk why he didn't put a spoiler warning at the beginning of this video. It looked like he was only going to discuss the anime but he ended up spoiling the manga

[@TheMaecool]

thanks for the heads up

[@tteqhu]

Plese pin an comment about this! I was somewhat spoiled by KZbin comments before what to expect, but i didnt listen too much when he started spolining

[@unsortedguy]

Yeah thanks.. I've assumed it was from the anime only.. But then suddenly Manga pictures popped up and I got worried 😅 I managed to not read the manga. Ever since I first saw the show.. So I won't start now.

[@mehdie653]

thank u so much

[@MrChannelforwatching]

Unsorted Gaming You're one of the lucky ones. I got spoiled after season 1 ended in a normal attack on titan clip, so I just went ahead and read the manga. My advise is avoid comments at all costs.

[@Yeah12831]

I love attack on Titan but the thing I dislike about it the most is that the fans mostly see everything as black and white. They can't see an antagonist for more then just being an antagonist. Reiner and Bertolt are 2 great characters.

[@pencilonpaper1026]

ikr

[@davepatois297]

Everyone talks about how grey the morals are and how we have to see everything with nuances and still hate gabi

[@tammybui9278]

@@davepatois297 spittin facts

[@issabelleb5803]

((ANIME + MANGA SPOILERS)) - - - - - Omg, yes they are great characters. As Vinii stated, Reiner, Bertolt and Annie were literally pressured to do well for the Marley government, so in that case, it wasn't entirely their fault that they had to do what they needed to do. Yes, i know they killed thousands of people, but the Marley government were brainwashing with the fact that Paradis was full of demons and all that kinds of things so the trio were set in that mindset. And we know that we can't blame Marley as a whole for having a grudge against Eldians because Eldians were the ones who were wiping out Marley during Ymir Fritz (not the one that Historia knows)/Great Titan War times... As I got further into the show, I concluded that it's hard to pick a side, even though both sides did good and bad things... Reiner was like a big brother to the 104th corps, Bertolt (in s2) was about to save Connie, Reiner, and Historia when the tower was about to fall (if you look closely, there is a small scene where you can see that he was about to bite his hand in order to transform and save all of them, even though he is risking his titan identity), and Annie was upset and emotional when her friend died during the Trost arc. It shows that AOT was such a cruel world for these kids to be living in.... :((((

[@myokitt]

I see so many antagonists from many different anime as more than just an antagonist. But I can't stop hating RBA. They don't do it for me. Manga reader as well.

[@destroyerofturtles5024]

Main character: Is being eaten alive is and screaming KZbin captions: Applause

[@deadlinetugas8181]

Just watch the show and read a fucking manga

[@AltafKhan-ka1zer]

Yeah I saw it too😂

[@cyprus1005]

Deadline tugas what

[@dreambiscuits]

@@deadlinetugas8181 you severely failed to understand what the op was talking about

[@starwarsfanstation403]

Deadline tugas Failed in life, you have.

[@MrChannelforwatching]

Isayama truly showed how perspective really shapes how you view something, and I found myself really judging characters I shouldn't have judged as hard based on what they've been through. But I couldn't help it. Honestly, it scared me. MANGA SPOILER AHEAD: Eren did the exact same thing Reiner, Bertoldt and Annie did to them. Eren killed thousands of innocent people in Marley for a cause he felt was justified. We see how it's wrong, but we understand why he does it, so I couldn't hate him for it. Come in Gabbie - the representation of a young Eren. Eren destroyed her city, killed her friends and everything she knows and cares about. After what she's been taught to believe since birth, and after what Eren did to her city, its obvious why she holds such disdain to people of Paradise. But I still found myself unable to forgive her. I hated how naive and ignorant she was. She didn't understand, and I hated that. If we had started with Reiner, Annie and Bertoldt's perspective from the very beginning, would I have hated Eren as well? Would I have felt more sorry about Bertoldt getting eaten by Armin? Would I have been more comfortable with Annie killing all those soldiers to get to Eren in the forest? I think about this all the time, and its amazing how fast feelings can be manipulated when you start off believing one side, and how hard it is to change when you suddenly see the other.

[@deltasigma8817]

And this is why Attack on Titan is one of my favorite series of all time. I watched AoT from the first episode released and I held off on reading the manga up until the last episode of Season 3 P1 dropped. I had spent literal years hating Annie and then later Bertoldt and Reiner after they were revealed and we saw what they were responsible for. After picking up the manga, which had just ended the Marley Arc at the time, I finally got to see what they had been through and what their perspective on the situation was. It completely changed my perspective on not only the characters of the story but how I actually approach analyzing and evaluating characters in different stories and even people in real life. I didn't end up hating Gabi as much as most people seemed to because I guess I caught on to her role as a parallel to early Eren pretty quickly and adjusted my expectations of her pretty soon after. But I doubt I'd have been able to do that without the setup done with Annie, Reiner, and Bertoldt. Hell, at this point in the story with the manga I don't even know who to root for. Watching the reactions that people had when the second half of Season 3 aired, especially the amount of people that cheered on Bertoldt's death, really solidified for me the genius of the approach that was taken for the story to get to this point. Isayama puts you in a difficult position were you start rooting for one side and then makes you have to wrestle with yourself later on if that is the right choice. It really speaks to humanity's inherent hate of change and the biases we have from the initial perspectives of situations.

[@ifeanyiozoh5735]

@@strongindependentblackwoma1887 game of thrones or berserk

[@sick983]

@@ifeanyiozoh5735 lol game of thrones isnt that complex. it doesnt really have a meaningful central theme.

[@Piavaraa]

@@strongindependentblackwoma1887 try Breaking Bad

[@zikrim1227]

@@sick983 Got has that. DnD just blow it away. You need genius like Isiyama or George R.R. Martin to craft something like this, DnD just werent that guy. If you watch GoT on youtube. There are tons of good way to end the season, and Dnd pick the worse one and just make it about good and evil

[@mikedoge5559]

If you dont know the backstory then you cheer for Bertholdt's death....after learning that warriors are taught from childhood that Eldians are devils etc etc and as kids are expected to kill without question...you then come back and realise how fked up is their world as well and that they thought they will be heroes if they accomplish their mission and give their families a better life...and thats how you make a great story and characters...that they are not black and white, good and evil...sure you can dislike a character but when you see their point of view you can at least understand or change your opinion and like a character that was for 2 or 3 seasons viewed as evil....Isayama is truly a mastermind in this

[@beastvicious8672]

It was pretty evident that Bertholdt didn't want to fight them, but had to. He literaly said so in season 2.

[@edanielt3717]

@@beastvicious8672 ikr and people still dont understand that.

[@HunterSThompson123]

It's incredible writing and can't be overrated imo. Sadly a lot of people seem incapable of understanding the quality in writing morally grey charactes and stories. That's also why i'm extremely picky since AOT. I just can't deal with simple black and white good vs evil stories anymore. They bore me to death aswell as wholesome good boy characters.

[@MrChannelforwatching]

Lazarus I know what you mean. I don’t think I’ll ever find a series as convoluted in its themes as Attack on Titan.

[@vivianasobara4939]

@@HunterSThompson123 I understand what u mean.. same with me.. After AOT, if I watch any other anime that just depicts the characters as your typical shonen or everything is black and white.. it becomes hard for me to finish the anime

[@ammi_cho5088]

"That's right. I'm the bad guy. But to me, you were bad guys too. But you guys were taught that everybody inside the walls were devils. You were children who knew nothing, but it was drilled into you. You were just kids. What could you have done?" My favorite line in the whole series.

[@ritameow9227]

That line is just so, so sad. They couldn’t do anything. They were kids. The Eldians were screwed over so bad. The current generation did nothing wrong, and if there were no armbands, no one could have told an Eldian from any other person.

[@isdrakon9802]

That line is flawed, because while they grew up in Marley they spent almost as much time in the walls. I'd like to repeat that they spent nearly half their life in the walls, and not the half where you are still learning to walk and wipe your own ass, they made friendships likely had crushes met the families of their friends and atr their food. They all even realized they were wrong, and continued to do more wrong.

[@Noritoshi-r8m]

It's just like Berthold said before his last transformation: "Nobody is in the wrong in this Cruel world". This is why attack on titan is great.

[@Snzn_7]

Thats the manga readers mindset when a lot of anime onlies cheered diring bertholt's death

[@HWDragonborn]

A wise Marleyan once say:" we used hate, raised hate, believe hate to be our saviour. We left all the problems we created on the island of devils and as a result, that devil was born to return the hate we gave it."

[@roban2799]

Attack on Titan is the greatest anime ever made

[@syressx9098]

Truer words were never been spoken

[@Enzo-em1te]

I wouldn't go that far but its certainly one of the best specially the fourth and third season

[@emmanuelsmith1532]

I’d say it’s about hunter x hunter and full metal alchemist tier.

[@shadow8594]

@@emmanuelsmith1532 Definitely not hunter x hunter level, I would say a tier below that. HxH has far too much depth and development.

[@anonymoususer7178]

Aot is top 5 currently, but hxh is #1. With S4 that may change though

[@kaister901]

This anime repeatedly shows us how it is easy to hate without considering what the other side feels and thinks. That the only way to peace is to come together in the middle, set aside your differences, and work towards peace through cooperation and understanding.

[@captainmattypat2646]

Am I the only one who wants people who are professionals from different jobs to critique this anime and see their different reactions from their perspectives?

[@aa.xviiii]

That would be cool

[@drakephysecron6775]

Yeah I'm using most of my freetime watchiing reactions/ rviews on aot, such a sad life i have haha

[@captainmattypat2646]

@@drakephysecron6775 Well as long as you're happy there isn't that much of a problem with it.

[@samuelprn4436]

If you really wrote this video alone and made those psychological analyses on your own, I can only praise you for this beautiful video and the efforts you put in it

[@Anna-og4pv]

When Eren says those smugglers were “monsters that look like humans” that also perfectly describes what titans are (although now we know it’s kind of the opposite - Titans are humans that have become monsters against their will) and it explains why he had no remorse when he killed them. His idea at that point of what evil is is the Titans themselves, so all he’s doing is killing his very idea of evil.

[@ThebigTacoman]

Keep doing videos like this theyre really intriguing

[@cyguslorman]

Marley is a country; Liberio is a district inside Marley.

[@johnperez5636]

Marleys actually a continent I believe

[@jamessanpedro223]

@@johnperez5636 more like a supercontinent and part of an island the size o brazil

[@tylerfuller-battles7436]

@@johnperez5636 The continent is never named and is only called the mainland. Marley however was a warring society who eventually grew big enough to control the continent, proving it is a country.

[@thatpinkdude6850]

It's more like Marley owns most of the continent it is in, so its continent is referred as Marley as a whole.

[@arkadata2245]

"I JUST KEEP MOVING FORWARD UNTIL MY ENEMIES ARE DESTROYED"

[@KyoushaPumpItUp]

"The Marleyans entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to destroy the Eldians, and no Eldian was going to fight back. At Paradis, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." - Eren "Eldians get the gas? Marley gets the blast" Jaeger

[@chain3612]

Bertholdt: Screaming. The captions: APpLaUSe

[@Chook181]

The ironic thing, based off your thumbnail, is that there truly is no valid morality or perspective that can justify feeding an innocent child to dogs for fun - all based on her race. To me this shows that, as grey as the morality can be at times, there are is such as an act that is objectively evil and wrong. Using it as Eren/Grisha's motivation for their morally grey actions is genius. Because, after witnessing and being the victim to such a horrific crime/experience - can you blame them for their actions? I think an important part of perspective and morality is knowing that there sometimes really are decisions that are wrong on all fronts.

[@prodkomba]

Yeah I agree, I think there are factors that lead to our perception of right and wrong, such as harm, pain, etc... There's a reason why what Hitler did was wrong, he tortured people and killed them by the millions because of their ethnicity, something they can't control. And although he may have felt justified in his actions, that doesn't mean he is right just because he believes himself to be. Take colours for example, the 'best' colour is a matter of opinion, it's subjective - purple is both the best and worst colour depending on who you ask. I don't see morality in the same way because a person can be incorrect when calling an event immoral or moral, whereas with colours, you can't argue at all against someone's favourite colour. What happened to Grisha's sister is objectively immoral, she was killed in a horrific manner simply for being curious and wanting to see a blimp, she didn't do any immoral action(s) to justify such a cruel death.

[@Snzn_7]

@@prodkomba what happened to grisha's sister exactly how perspective shows morality of that marleyan soldier, Like what his predecesor did He too showed his sons that they can just feed a random eldian without remorse or repercussion which ingrain that too his marleyan children that those action is not immoral (at least for them) of course we viewing the whole situation knows that is immoral but for those characters its not thats just a norm. Its like culling chickens for food, it is imbibed to us that it is a norm so we in majority don't feel remorse for taking chicken lives, but for some child which such act hasn't still been imbued to them will cry and feel remorse from seeing such act. The act is generally injustifiable but still can be morally acceptable or at least tolerable depending on the perspective. That is what my take at least on this. Well I could be wrong

[@Chook181]

@@Snzn_7 While I do sympathise with what you're saying that from the Marleyan perspective, they see it as "normal" but I actually argue that isn't the case. Gross HID what he did. He covered it up. He KNOWS it's wrong and lied to everyone involved. Sure, the government backed him because of corruption, but that shows how the system backs him as an oppresor. His actions were never morally grey, because by covering it up, he is admitting he did the wrong thing. The biggest fault is that the system (Marley's government) actually allowed this to happen and supported him (even if it wasn't openly) I think what you're saying can make sense, like, Reiner and Bert and Annie all collectively killed tens of thousands of people with their actions. But they can't be held responsible - they didn't truly understand on ANY level what they were doing is wrong. Much like how we dont want to think about how every meal we eat cost a living being a life of torture. (though lots of people do face that fact. I try not to, because I like chicken way too much) So I think your point is valid, just not for Gross and his actions imo

[@Chook181]

@@prodkomba Totally agree. There is no reason or justification to kill someone like that. Even if she had done something wrong, having her mauled to death for almost any reason is so wrong. She's a kid. She can't be held to any standard we hold an adult - and even if we do, it's never right to really kill someone that way. (it's arguably never right to execute or kill anyone in any way... but thats a complicated topic lol)

[@notxon300]

you're right, no one should have a perspective that allows you to justify an innocent child being killed just for the fun of it. unfortunately though if that perspective was so one sided then it wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[@ogisrb101]

Attack on titan conflict is led by one thing which can be explained by sentence: history is written by a victor

[@khani54]

It's killed or be killed bro

[@jordandwiggins1026]

I’m a piece of shit

[@G0ldBreaker]

@@jordandwiggins1026 No you're not.

[@smith2354]

it's an ass eat ass world out there bro

[@warlockdoha]

Pound town.

[@jordandwiggins1026]

G0ldBreaker Yes I am

[@MrDedpool1]

My two favorite moments from this series are "Who is the enemy" and "Whose memories are these". This two seemingly in the moment statements are so much more weighty and in-depth if you understand the context surrounding them

[@ryangrubbs6813]

The real story: Eren denied Hitler’s application to art school so WWII would occur, creating the moral foundations for Shingeki no Kyojin and leading to Isayama’s parents meeting Got us again

[@foreverbooked2964]

So Attack on Titan is basically Isayama's father's How I met Your Mother?

[@supereinstien001]

P A T H S

[@samfisher6331]

Isamaya has an IQ of 500. He made a dark fantasy story with a realistic perspective. You know what, that's GENIUS.

[@onlybryanliu]

Attack on Titan provides more morality compass than today's politics

[@spicylemon9339]

Today's perception of politics is very bastardized for the majority of people

[@rockassman]

Grisha: takes sister beyond walls Doggos: its free real estate

[@juxty1746]

First thing that comes to mind is the line "you began this story didn't you?" Edit: I should also add that the arguement between Jean and the magath (if I remember correctly) perfectly details the perspectives

[@eternalfatefanboy5933]

I Haven't read the manga but I am sure in 4th season there will be fight between morals

[@badsiki]

u have no idea..... whats comin lol... every ep will be wtf.

[@ThebigTacoman]

@@badsiki fr eren is so badass and does not care one bit😂

[@abdulmalekjamour2682]

I hope u didnt get spoiled by the vid

[@FreakyCore800]

@@abdulmalekjamour2682 i kinda did 😅

[@imsentinelprime9279]

@@badsiki wtf mate

[@tzarye1425]

I really like your final answer: "Morality is subjective to prespective and our ideals alone. Prespective is something that is created within us from the beliefs the world puts into us and as a result our morality is affected by those prespectives alone. If something is evil, there's no problem erradicating it... but what makes us think it's evil in the first place? That's prespective."

[@AD_Nelson]

Man, Attack On Titan simply started as another "surfer" trying to surf on the wave of zombie media being made at the time... And look how far it's come.

[@fortuneolose9424]

And you look at how much The Last of Us Part II has regressed

[@MMfish_]

This adds like a trillion of layers and makes this story so much more insightful! Nice video!

[@jotakyininoo2758]

Berthold: i gotta do what i gotta do, soz Eren: well...same, no hard feelings bro

[@jasonblack2477]

Man I feel bad for bert

[@ifeanyiozoh7474]

Me too

[@Fourtytwo4242]

I don't he at least died thinking he was still a good guy, even after all the murders he did with out a second thought he still thought he was in the right. Reiner is the person you should feel bad for, he fought because he wanted to be a hero to only find out he just another monster. He breaks down and even gives up on life because everything he fought for was a lie and now it hitting him, unlike Bert he had to deal with his actions for years driving him to lose all hope to live. Reiner is a good guy who just find out he killed thousands of innocent people and what worst it was all for nothing, this adding on to the fact that he was a kid makes it all the worse. Reiner who only had one dream which was become a hero is now just another villain in his eyes, that truly a sad fate for anyone not counting again he was just a kid.

[@jasonblack2477]

@@Fourtytwo4242 you Don t understood bertholdt if you think he thought he was a good guy. He knew he was wrong he knew they are not devils and yes he felt bad for what he did. He just accepted his role in this cruel world. And again he knew he was wrong and felt guilt

[@jasonblack2477]

@@Fourtytwo4242 and also bertholdt had nightmares and also suicidal thoughts cause of the things he has done.

[@Fourtytwo4242]

@@jasonblack2477 Does not change much he at least died young and did not have to live with his guilt.

[@oliverseddon7950]

I love how even fits into this whole moral greyness of the show. Especially with recent developments in the manga.

[@abhishektyagi7402]

This video was well put together and the script is quite articulate. Keep up the good work!

[@dark0ssx]

I never thought Eren killing those kidnappers was wrong. Its possible to place yourselves in others shoes and see from their perspective before judging them. Empathy is actually genetic just like intelligence and other things. The amount varies between people, with different groups having different amounts. So yes some people are just evil and some groups more evil than others.

[@zackfair_og]

That is relative as well tho. Certain societies perceive certain things in a vastly different manner than others. For example the age of consent in some countries is as low as 12 or 14 while in others it is 18.

[@daryeusford9696]

Алексей Романов he wanted to save her obviously

[@luviawolfhound6078]

@Алексей Романов if he's an adult,he would only need to kill one person or no one at all.he has no power to hold the power of an adult man,so he must kill them all or else he would die instead.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

@Алексей Романов If Eren were psycho wouldn't he have killed Mikasa too? Seems to me that he killed them because if he didn't, Mikasa gets raped for the rest of her life.

[@lavq7000]

Eren and Mikasa killed those men in rightfulll self defense. We cant blame them for that because if they didnt do it they would die/be sold as slaves. But there is an extra layer to this scene. After the killing, Eren shows no regrets. Which is weird for a child, as even adult soldiers have PTSD from killing other people. Is self defense a complete moral justification for killing others? This same question comes back at the ending of the manga, considering the current actions Eren has taken. As someone said, It is always easy to judge others when it doesnt have anything to do with us. But the moment we put ourselves in the shoes of the killer, and the killed, then we can start to get that its not that simple

[@T.Gonz1216]

I came into aot thinking "oh I heard this is great anime let's have a look" and now it's my absolute favorite anime

[@lincolnbeckett8791]

DUDE, WHY didn't you put a Spoiler Warning in the beginning of this video. I'm an anime only and it was not clear at all that you would be discussing the manga. Thankfully I stopped just before anything too major was spoiled.

[@frieza2235]

the thing about spoilers is, the more you attempt to avoid them, the more they become

[@xandrify7470]

You should read the manga it's worth it

[@overdrive8808]

@@xandrify7470 I was goin to but season 4 trailer dropped and the Aot anime is nothing short of amazing so li wanna see it animated and ish🤷🏾‍♂️

[@pepeokatze]

Just read the manga dont be lazy

[@phirus02]

@@pepeokatze it's not laziness, the anime is just more complete and better overall

[@ntracer3226]

The solution have been already told us in the series by Marco.... "We haven't even talked yet".. Every perception can be changed by peaceful discussion.... Their wouldn't have been any war if solutions were taken by discussion... The AOT represent real world in some manner where some people's just hate others for they have different beliefs and ideals

[@morky3673]

There is so much depth to the good and evil concepts in aot that so well represent the division humanity has faced throughout history.

[@alexandercruz3796]

Great analysis! I couldn't have explained it better myself 👏🏾

[@stephenlabankajirujr3439]

Im jst gonna appreciate “you see big girl” playing in the background

[@cution97]

Holy fuck!! Underrated channel this was one of the most professional reviews I’ve ever seen and your voice is perfect and soothing haha great content bro!!

[@jairnavas1049]

This is why AOT is my favorite show in general. Its stroy is amazing 😞

[@mutiyangpilingbabae9207]

I love your voice and your thoughts about this anime it's one of my favorites. I've become more upset and hurt as I read each chapter of the manga it's so painful to see them kill each other. I think this is the only anime that made me love most of the characters and be sad of their deaths whether they're Eldians, Marleyans and others. How I wish them to be revived but that's not going to happen because that's the reality. What a cruel world to live in..

[@lilblinder11]

This anime is just perfection at its finest.

[@FreakyCore800]

Have i just been manga spoilered with the almost last clip :o

[@bambangmaulana8121]

Kinda

[@iamdegenerate3975]

Yep, you got spoiled.

[@1nkt1tan1]

Not the worst spoilers you can get. I don't think.

[@iamdegenerate3975]

Those are one of the most important parts of S4 lmao

[@zikrim1227]

Well it is a pretty obvious spoiler. But dont worry, there are tons of new one

[@yeager_god]

You just made me cry 😢

[@sliks2783]

1:13 Damn this hits hard after reading the manga even though I was happy he was getting eaten while watching the anime

[@JM-us3fr]

I don't think AoT is saying morality comes down to perspective. In fact, I think it is a critique of that view. So much death and destruction occurs precisely because people on both sides think that it comes down to their perspective vs. the others', without realizing this could all be avoided if they took an objective third-person perspective instead.

[@lm4733]

Exactly why I think Armin stands out so much as one of the main characters and why Eren referred to him as “humanity’s savior”.

[@JM-us3fr]

@@lm4733 Yeah exactly. I was so sad when I thought he was going to die, and that's just evidence for the fact that we (as in humanity) want people like Armin.

[@ItsNullAndVoid]

That's kinda flawed, tho. Ex) Let's say there is one fruit and two identical animals. Both need to eat the whole fruit to survive the day. If the goal for both is to survive, how could they avoid conflict.

[@alkan68]

Thank you for this.

[@booooo4700]

thank you because some of these comments are worrying.

[@aluhv3602]

and this is why context is so vital. It allows us to understand why certain characters behave a certain way and why they hold different beliefs. I think experiences from their past and the environment they grew up in also plays a big role in terms of how they view life and their morality.

[@smallmoon4340]

finally someone who is understanding the manga...

[@alvasuxas]

im gonna kiss you. thank you for acknowledging morality and perspective coming from attack on titan, season 4 is going to be amazing with whats happening in the manga rn, i hope everyone gets to appreciate this masterpiece of an anime that Isayama made, im still salty about him killing some of my favourite characters tho, but still. Attack on Titan is amazing, the story is interesting, the characters are great as well, and the music is impeccable. Im so excited for szn 4 🤩

[@harishnetam502]

This video deserve million views

[@dreal500]

Excellent! perspective is Bang on! AOT is noting but perspective and shades of grey. No black and white in this series at all. But Ghandi's quote comes to mind..."An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind. If you want peace, you don't talk to your friends."

[@jamesperrott1]

How difficult is it to put a manga spoiler warning It’s not god damn hard

[@zechunkypanda9686]

Great video, however there needs to be a more apparent indicator that there are Manga Spoilers in this video. Unfortunately, many people on this website don’t read descriptions and the spoiler warning is easily missed.

[@shivamagarwal7780]

This video is very apt and would be even more so for the current twist int he manga

[@calebmatthews4014]

This is why I absolutely love aot

[@yeager_god]

I wish this video was 1 hour long. ❤

[@ST456258]

This kind of understanding is what often missing from today's discussions on societal issues. Everything is set up as "Us vs them" and "You either with us or against us" mentality. No one wants to entertain the thought that the other side can have a point or maybe even be right. Because if world followed the long term kind of thinking "World without armed conflict, world of plenty for everyone" then the world and peace would not be crashing down today.

[@maraoi]

In my opinion most people in attack on titan (being characters addressed by the story) are both good and evil. as they are pursuing a goal that in their mind is righteous they are good and are the protagonist of their own story . They are also evil as they do things they know are immoral without remorse and that makes them the antagonist of someone else's story. For example the people that killed mikasa's parents planned on selling mikasa and her mum they could of had families they needed to feed .they could be considered good for providing for their family (a righteous cause )but evil for selling people ( an immoral act) in their story eren and mikasa are the antagonist as their leaving their families without food. To summarise the main characters are evil for killing but good because it's for what they view as a righteous cause . Sidenote the only people who are morally clear are the pure titans who were forced into becoming titans and have no control. PS in the case of marleyans and eldians from marley I don't consider them evil as they dont know it's wrong as they were brainwashed from birth.

[@DannyJapanny]

I love this channel much keep going although I know your top 10s are a lot more popular these videos are so super interesting

[@mohamedhazzam9370]

I will not lie. This really is interesting

[@nazirulnaim5418]

Well, Mikasa already said this so many times "What choice do we have, the world is a cruel place."

[@DragonSlayerr12]

Man just hearing you say that it kinda reflect on the real world. It's something as myself is seeing in America. Not only is a anime reflecting this subject, it happens in real life to.

[@zangified0117]

Keep doing videos like this they’re very good and interesting

[@spoderman9787]

The good and evil is subjective as u said people who were born in marley think that the eldians are evil and shit because their government said so and they teach this to their kids and fill them with hate towards eldians so when ever they hear something about eldians their minds immediately identify them as the "ENEMY" , now what isayama did with the warriors (annie , reiner , bertholdt ) was a pretty fucking good job , the thoughts and Emotions of the three characters are conflicted asf , ( WARNING: SPOILERS FROM THE UPCOMING SEASON 4 ): now when eren travels across the ocean and live with people in marley he felt what reiner and the warriors felt , both sides live their lives thinking the other side is the "ENEMY" but in reality they're just people who didn't have enough facts about the other side ............ this is a real issue in our world too world wars are the greatest example there are soldiers who killed good people bcs they were told to they didn't think when the kill they just did it the soldiers always do the thinking after they've done their mission , most of them are brain-washed just like the warriors

[@amitkenan3878]

"Right or wrong is not what separates us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that set us apart. Both sides blame one another. There is no good or bad side. Just two sides with different views." - Squall Leonheart, Final Fantasy VIII

[@lalaechart5444]

Attack on titan is truly the best anime.

[@thepsalmist4677]

That’s why I enjoy the anime. It deals with metaethics in a way which pushes the proverbial envelope and captures the morality which belies modernity and polite society. With the abolition of Aristotelian-Thomistic ontological ethics and with the disenchantment and secularization of day to day life, one can’t help but slide into a Nietzschean perception of truth and morality. Attack on Titan has an absolute treasure trove of ways to analyze it as well. The meta-narrative commentary on the sterility of modern politics, the contrast between Armin and Eren as characters, the meta-critique of the shounen character archetypes of a hero being communicated through the narrative and seeing Eren become the antagonist-and a quite monstrous one at that-and the morality of the entire franchise makes you stop and begin to genuinely contemplate why things are right and why things are wrong. We can see this most clearly in the most recent panels of the manga. When Armin reaches out to Eren through the Paths, he appeals to reason. He dialogues with Eren thinking they both agree that there exists a truth outside of themselves and that one of them can bring the other closer to it, or align with it themselves. But Eren flatly rejects the dialectic and poses the challenge that every person who rejects an objective truth must, one day, wrestle with. “We both have our convictions. The time for conversation has passed. You can either use your freedom to oppose me, or you can choose to not oppose me. But if you oppose me, if you want to stop me, you’re going to have to kill me.” I think, for us Americans, we can see this polarization in a very real, very scary way. The relativism of truth, and, therefore, the untruth of reality is something which causes dread in people who contemplate its implications in a serious way. And this is where the anime has reached its zenith. It shows, unashamedly, the implications of a world with no truth and a world which has no truth outside of the subjects’ hermeneutic, or interpretation of it. I’m a Catholic, so I’m in obvious disagreement with the show and its post-Enlightenment precepts of metaethics. Morality is not based on mere perspective. Though, I do not think one needs to be in agreement with the underlying philosophy and theme of the show in order to recognize it as one of the best pieces of art in several decades. Attack on Titan is becoming for this generation what Neon Genesis Evangelion was for Millennials. It is superb and I could not recommend it enough, though I do suggests forming your conscience beforehand. Reading Aristotle might be good as well, LOL. I feel it would be fitting to quote from a notorious piece of fascistic political theory which will further illustrate that this moral relativism always precipitates genocide. Mussolini’s *Diuturna*. He wrote: “Everything I have said and done in these last years is relativism by intuition...If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories and men who claim to be the bearers of an objective, immortal truth...then there is nothing more relativistic than fascistic attitudes and activities...From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and attempt to enforce it with all of the energy of which he is capable.” This is from pages 374-77. Instead of running away from relativism and the phantoms of Nietzsche, Stirner, Marx, Evola, and all of the other post-Enlightenment philosophers whose philosophies wiped out our moral groundwork and first principles, we should take a moment to look them in the eyes. We should question. We should read more, live more, and always be searching for the truth. Our end as human beings is not to attain some grand goal, or to shake the world, or to be remembered. Our goal is to find the truth and live in accord with this truth even if we die trying. I think Attack on Titan communicates this end better than any apologist ever could.

[@xjvx9955]

Fun fact: Marcos favorite song was *HAVANA* and especially the verse: "*half of my hearth is in Havana uh na na*"

[@LavaNation1]

what if during the rumbling eren said "id pity you if only you werent a marleyan"

[@wryannevanornum]

EXAMPLE: EREN YAEGER. HE IS THE BEST EXAMPLE OF BLURRED MORALITY

[@diacriticsrue260]

Thank you for making this video. This had to be said. Attack on Titan is a masterpiece.

[@calicoflo]

nobody thinks what Eren did as a child to save Mikasa as murder. Like nobody

[@Haz1Art]

Justified murder. Thats what I call it. Those bastards kill for selfish reason. Its a choice. Eren & Mikasa kill them for survival & revenge. They dont have other options.

[@arnavdixit1397]

It was the way he did it. Brutal. Cold hearted. He kept stabbing the second dude. That is not self defense my guy, that could be perceived as murder.

[@randy7796]

@@arnavdixit1397 I'm pretty sure the excessiveness doesn't change whether or not it was self defense. You could argue that it was warranted to ensure that the enemy was dead, because, if he didn't stab him enough, he might have gotten back up and killed Eren. When you're put in a life-or-death situation, there's no such thing as an over-the-top action/precaution. It's not like he was smiling while doing it, or killed him with a nonchalant attitude (like how the actual murderers killed Mikasa's mother)& that's what separates "murder" from "self defense".

[@wombat4583]

@@randy7796 I mean you can murder without being happy about it. It doesn't matter that Eren didn't smile or there was a reason. It's still murder. Self defense only describes intent (you are retaliating for personal safety). You can still murder in an act of self defense or you can murder intentfully.

[@wombat4583]

Let me counter this then. Eren committed murder to save Mikasa.

[@TheMRpredatorwolf]

And thank you for making this video!

[@farisalsous3553]

Bro u should upload on dis channel more lol

[@biggamer7245]

Perspective has always been a part of AOT, when it comes to the ending it isn’t one that I wanted, it’s one that I felt I needed.

[@hunggamerofficial3252]

To be honest, i'm so fed up with the "Perspective" kind of thing. Here's why. 1.Grisha Yeager's little sister did not commit any sins, yet she was fed to the dogs just because she is Eldian. That ACTION of Sergean Gross proved that he is EVIL. He is EVIL not because of anybody's perspectives, but by his action of killing an innocent little girl. Gross did not do the bad thing to "Protect" anybody either. He just did that because he loved doing that. 2.Eren Kruger's actions are the complicated one. He killed his own people, but also thanks to him, Grisha was able to infiltrate the wall on Paradis island. Therefore, Eren Kruger did the bad things for the sake of the greater good. With this man, whether he is "Evil" or not, that depends on "Perspective" because eventually, what Kruger did was always for the good of Eldia, not for himself. 3.In case of Reiner, Bertholdt, and Annie, those three are not really black and white either. But, in return, when it is the turn of Jean, Connie, even Armin, they did not just rush in and kill the Azumabito(Hope that i got their names right) just to get to Floch. And they know about the Eldians after the King of Paradis was toppled. What did that means? That means, even when the situation forced Jean, Connie and Armin to kill people, they only do that if it actually saves someone. Like when Armin shot a woman to save Jean, Connie wanted his mom back but still saved Falco. Erwin sacrificed the recruits in order for Levi to beat the crap out of the Beast Titan. On the contrary, Annie, Bertholdt, and especially Reiner's actions did not save anyone. Not only that, they even brought the Threats from Paradis island to their homes, the Liberio Interment Zone. Do i even have to see from any "Perspectives" to know that clearly, the actions of the three of them were not only bad, they were terrible as well? And don't even get me started with Zeke, the guy is the total bastard who betrayed his own home, his own people, but still tries to defend for shit. => What do these mean? They mean that, Good and Bad are not "Subjective", they are Objective, based on the Large Scales and the Big Pictures. If one person, like Gross, kills a little girl just for sake of enjoying people getting eaten, that is BAD, by his own Actions, and his own selfish reasons. You don't have to ask for "Perspective" to know that it is clearly bad. Eren Kruger sacrificed many Eldians, to find someone(It's Grisha) to inherit his mission for him, then despite all the bad things he did, he did that not for his selfish reasons, but for his home, his country. Just...stop using the word "Perspective" as an escape goat for everything. There are many things that can be Objective, not just one thing. Just because you can't prove them yet, does not mean Objective Truth does not exist.

[@soejarosopanaloon5425]

I agree with a lot of this actually. But you can’t deny that what Levi did in his ova and what Eren and the sc did in Liberio was also terrible.

[@hunggamerofficial3252]

@@soejarosopanaloon5425 I agree.

[@dashman8499]

I am truly amazed and shocked by the direction that season 4 took. Fucking genius I love it and I’m here for the ride.

[@matheusazevedooliveira8222]

Opressor: Literally kills and slaves and entire race of people just bc of their race. Opressed: Attacks back. KZbinr: see? that is no evil/good, is all based on perspective lol

[@HWDragonborn]

The reason why Marley oppress Eldians is because the Marleyans used to be oppressed by Eldia

[@mr.watertap5676]

This is why I love AOT

[@МихаилЖелев-й2х]

7:41 That exact description about morality is the one I hold because of AOT. Titan were initially pure evil but later on it turns out they are just humans( a crazily sophisticated metaphor Iseyama hatched) who are trying to turn back into humans. AOT like Game of thrones does an incredible job of painting a real world like picture about how ppl act based on motives and justifications.

[@Rustin122]

Amazing video!! Love these types of vids

[@MasalaDosa02]

ViniiTube never disappoints

[@josepholvera]

Damn, I think this video essay just changed my life.

[@briefingsol]

This series is an absolutely perfect explanation of how evil is entirely perspective based.

[@izmizcha955]

4:57 Vinii: The same can be said for Mikasa *shows Levi* Fangirls: **dying**

[@shivannapv4262]

Armin: *crushes Bertholdt's skull* Me: *gets an ad about a company that will deliver food to my house*

[@IWatchAnimeToBullyWeebsMoreAcu]

Zomato?

[@shockwavev1807]

I guess you missed the portion when Mikasa just realised the stronger just preys the weak..the added shots of cutting fish( ep1) and the scenes of mikasa's father preying on the duck and that mantis eating the butterfly just amplifies this concept..what a genius of you Isayama!❤️

[@doki1146]

Keep making videos like this bro

[@adrianandrei8398]

Armin even talked about this. He told Annie how he doesn't like the word "good person" since a person maybe "good" for someone and "bad" for others. Someone can do something good for you but it can be a bad thing in another one's perspective which he then follows saying that a single person can't possibly be "good" in everyone's eyes.