How To Mic a Drum Kit For Live Sound

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Attaway Audio

Attaway Audio

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Drums can be really challenging to get right at the source. There's a bunch of mics around the loudest instrument on stage. Watch to see how you can capture them and get great tone before the signal hits the mixer.
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@ectyka
@ectyka 3 жыл бұрын
This is the type of engineer you want for your church or for your live shows. So much passion for sound quality, love all the content you put out. God bless you brother
@Aaron-zh4kj
@Aaron-zh4kj 3 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, this guy's videos are some of the best engineering information I've found on the internet. All the information is presented in a very accessible way and I get the impression all his videos would be rewarding to watch more than once, as it spans information that's relevant to the beginner and people who've done sound for a while. You have a new subscriber and a big fan, my friend.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks! You're too kind Aaron
@modernmusicstudio303
@modernmusicstudio303 3 жыл бұрын
Drum mic'ing can be such a pain. It takes the longest to set up in the studio. I like how you explain each option for each mic on the drum and how that changes the sound your capturing from each. Thank you for a great utorial on live sound setup!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@bobbob123ful
@bobbob123ful 4 жыл бұрын
I just love the way you present information. Thanks for sharing!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
You’re very kind! And you’re welcome!
@haroldkindelan4513
@haroldkindelan4513 4 жыл бұрын
Yes me too.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
@djjazzyjeff1232
@djjazzyjeff1232 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite recently adopted thing is using a Sine-wave generator as a sort of low-end "trigger" on the kick. The Behringer and Midas consoles have this, I'm sure other digital ones do too. What you do is gate a sine-wave and have the gate side-chained to the Kick mic channel, and when it opens the gate, it plays the sine wave (I like 56hz) for a short burst while the gate it open, giving you that almost unattainably low end punch that we're all looking for! Then when combines with an aux-fed sub setup, you put that "Kick Low" channel as I call it to the subs and the "Kick Hi" to the mains. If you wanted to get extra fancy you could use more of a blend than that if you need the extra dynamic range, but for us, just doing that is so much better than a traditional kick mic setup I don't find that necessary.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
That is fun! Then your release time becomes the "how hip-hop do I want this to sound" knob
@robonguitarnz
@robonguitarnz 3 жыл бұрын
This is handy stuff, off to record on Wednesday, miccing drums is my weakness, clips like this are gold.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help! How did your session go???
@hannes1734
@hannes1734 2 жыл бұрын
I used an E604 for a live snare a couple weeks ago and it was recorded. I mixed it later in my DAW and the bleed was much better than with an SM57
@boobo3763
@boobo3763 2 жыл бұрын
One thing to add is that the closer the overhead mic is to the cymbals center, the less cymbal sound you will get -The further the mic is from the cymbals center (closer to the edge of the cymbal) the louder the cymbal will be... Cheers and thanks for the no BS detailed information and multi-angle filming!!! All of this applies for in the studio, as well -Exact same principals apply. Except in the studio you get a little more into room mics and different overhead techniques and stuff, but yeah -All the same stuff. This is pretty much all you need to know right here...
@zackdrescher8772
@zackdrescher8772 5 жыл бұрын
Yes! I always look forward to your videos! Awesome content and you have exactly my kind of humor as dry as the sahara desert Haha Keep up the great content!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
Sahara desert.... ha!
@Reub3
@Reub3 4 жыл бұрын
"If you do jazz in your church... Maybe I should come to your church" lol How about latin jazz? Cause that's how we play.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Yaaaaaaaaaasssssssss!!!!! Ping me your location. Or just send me multitracks to use for a video 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@thronelightsworship1680
@thronelightsworship1680 2 ай бұрын
You should try seben from congo
@unleashed0077
@unleashed0077 3 жыл бұрын
I have been struggling to get my church's drum mics set up well and this helped so much! Thank you for your great vids man, you earned my sub.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
@jimmyfigueras4476
@jimmyfigueras4476 3 жыл бұрын
I like your videos. You're very funny too. Your humor reminds me of the 1980s culture that I grew up in and that you still have that, which is great.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😃
@RealChrisMalcolm
@RealChrisMalcolm 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! It's so easy to forget about phase when soundcheck time is limited.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
For real. It’s way more tempting to twist knobs on the eq instead of trying the polarity switch
@samwizepunster
@samwizepunster Ай бұрын
Love the aside color commentary. Michael Vick comment had me LOL'ing!🤣
@jamescassidy4045
@jamescassidy4045 4 ай бұрын
I dunno if you just said it backwards, but actually when a mic's pointed more across pointed at the middle of a drum, you're going to get more stick attack, and punch/definition, and pointed more towards the rim will give you more tone, sustain, resonance, pitch, and less attack.
@eternalcold8814
@eternalcold8814 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely, it is the most useful video among all other of this topic
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eternal Cold! Glad you think so!
@renowarmath4590
@renowarmath4590 4 жыл бұрын
This is extremely well made and was very helpful!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Reno! Hope you get great drum sounds!
@billymays1761
@billymays1761 2 жыл бұрын
Man that drum kit sounds so fucking crisp. Great video, thanks for taking some edge off my first live sound gig.
@Itsallawesome
@Itsallawesome 2 жыл бұрын
I typically don’t use overhead mics in live settings like churches because the cymbals are already super super loud without microphones + I get enough cymbal bleeding through the other mics.
@friggenjoe4092
@friggenjoe4092 4 жыл бұрын
is it weird that I got excited on how you presented this topic lol? I enjoyed this so much and its also very useful too :)
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Not weird at all 😀 as long as you don’t show up at my house
@friggenjoe4092
@friggenjoe4092 4 жыл бұрын
Attaway Audio lmao!!!
@xbt34
@xbt34 3 жыл бұрын
I have never seen this video, till now it was recommended. I wish I saw this when I sending you some samples I’ll have to show you one of the setups at a church I’m at with 3 mics on drums.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Bummer that it took so long! Glad it can help you get dialed in faster
@xbt34
@xbt34 3 жыл бұрын
@@AttawayAudio yes!
@azurhandanovic8813
@azurhandanovic8813 8 ай бұрын
Great vids sir, i love that fllow and knowledge.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@elijahnovak1866
@elijahnovak1866 4 ай бұрын
First time this has ever happened to me: I’m just watching a random drum mixing video when I realize that I’ve met the drummer😂 Travis is incredible. He’s not doing anything to crazy here, but he can really go when he wants to.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 ай бұрын
Yeah he can definitely leave most people in the dust... and yet plays really simply most of the time
@keneokpareke1753
@keneokpareke1753 4 жыл бұрын
This was incredible. Thanks.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Hey you're very welcome Kene! Happy mixing!
@ixamedia6572
@ixamedia6572 7 ай бұрын
Great info! Got a lot out of this video. Thanks!
@bayside833
@bayside833 4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your energy!! Thank you
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Baysik! Happy to help
@documentingordinarythoughts
@documentingordinarythoughts 4 жыл бұрын
Dude this channel is amazing !
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks DOT!
@JB.Rochwol
@JB.Rochwol Жыл бұрын
I like the measurement guides for the height and distances for overheads and snare mics.
@BeniaminKis
@BeniaminKis 2 жыл бұрын
This is great, James. I have a question tho: how do you pan the set? Your perspective, or drummer's perspective?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 2 жыл бұрын
For live sound at FOH, always audience perspective. I struggle with tom fills that are backwards 😂 For monitors, always drummer's perspective, same reason.
@TheStephenCurry
@TheStephenCurry Жыл бұрын
Hey James! Question for you! Complete the sentence, “What you need to watch out for when mic’ing completely enclosed(caged) drums is - _____________” I feel that ours feel big and boomy, lacking a bit of clarity. Almost as if they have been put in a muffled box, go figure haha….! Not sure if you have quick go to tips for the aquariums out there.
@DanKesterke
@DanKesterke 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Great info and nice editing. Kudos!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! I'm still a video novice, so that means a lot!
@Zionist_Eternal
@Zionist_Eternal 10 ай бұрын
Travis! I believe the names Travis and Soultone are synonymous. Certainly recognize the white ice DWs from years gone by.
@timjballin
@timjballin Жыл бұрын
Great tips. BTW - how did you get Kevin Bacon in the studio? (11:03)
@duharonald2310
@duharonald2310 3 жыл бұрын
Always great, thanks so much. Jesus bless you.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
God bless you Duha!
@hannes1734
@hannes1734 2 жыл бұрын
5:00 something is up with that middle SM57. It has way less high frequency content than the other two, in both poaitions you demonstrated
@goodgamist5113
@goodgamist5113 Жыл бұрын
As a church sound guy, I can say for sure that the drummer is my nemesis all the time (jk we're best friends but yea, y'know what I mean lol)
@BLN-o1e
@BLN-o1e 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful well done
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@ashleybuckner8773
@ashleybuckner8773 4 жыл бұрын
Like this presentation. I am a singing drummer, in church, and in what I lovingly call the Aquarium. I just bought a Shure Beta 56A for my vocals. What set up would you suggest for my overheads.
@StayHomeEatGreat
@StayHomeEatGreat 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a bunch! I've learned so much in just a couple videos of yours. Also thanks for not being a big jerk like lots of sound guys. Funny, yes, but not joking. 😁
@WiKiTWoNKa
@WiKiTWoNKa 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is so far has been the best video I've seen yet. I have a PreSonus DM-7 kit and I have not had the pleasure of using it yet but I would like to get two of them so that way if I have extra snares extra crash extra time extra anything even if there is an artist that has a double kick drum setup I can be prepared but I like to pan everything when I did have an odor set about 10 years ago I always like to pin everything according to its position and I always like to Mike every single piece and slightly pin everything in the position of where it would be at so it would be as much of a stereo effect as possible I do notice that people might have let's say a 10-piece drum set but only 7 mics so you're hearing a hi-hat and a crash on the same channel instead of septic channels because you don't have enough mics for the kit but like I said this has been the best video I've seen so far
@darkstardan3309
@darkstardan3309 3 жыл бұрын
Most excellent! I have learned. Thanks!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@nathanseida4096
@nathanseida4096 5 жыл бұрын
Those toms sound great mixed with the whole kit
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
👍🏼 thanks Nathan!
@Doctaj54
@Doctaj54 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Have you done any videos covering the FOH booth and how you use the SSL in your setup (instrument/mic connections, fader layout, outputs, etc?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't yet, but that's a great idea! Thanks J Harris!
@orangesystem969
@orangesystem969 3 жыл бұрын
Gonna Subscribe to this guy. They are so very informative with a sense of humor.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@kyosti1705
@kyosti1705 10 ай бұрын
A great video, thanks! I'm playing Roland VAD506 with TD-27 drum module, both at studio and live, but I've been thinking that maybe I should swap the hi-hat and symbals to acoustic ones. Should I get individual mics for the HH and each symbal or would overheads still be the way to go? The electronic snare, kick and toms make quite a snappy acoustic noise which I wouldn't want to mix with the symbal mics. And which kind of mics should I look at for the overheads and/or invidual symbals and HH?
@Tyler-lw1we
@Tyler-lw1we 5 жыл бұрын
That video was Great! super informative! thank you
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! Glad it was helpful!
@ChabrosMusic
@ChabrosMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Great work. we enjoyed you're video :) thank you
@TimOost
@TimOost 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, now I can never just put a mic in front of our basedrum en boost lows, cut mids, boost highs, compress compress compress to get that great basedrum sound ever again haha. Thanks for the video this will help us so much come next shows!
@ajwhite1077
@ajwhite1077 5 ай бұрын
Great Video
@ivannieves320
@ivannieves320 4 жыл бұрын
Great presentation you make it sound interesting 😆
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Ivan!
@Drumbone71
@Drumbone71 3 жыл бұрын
Love the info n sense of humor!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
thanks drumbone71!
@prasadalbert1498
@prasadalbert1498 4 жыл бұрын
Quite fantastic........ very helpful
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@chatochafa130
@chatochafa130 Жыл бұрын
4:56 when you get to the third and higher elevated mic it kinda just makes the same sound as the first mic. I’m guessing angle matters too.
@DesignBanda
@DesignBanda 2 жыл бұрын
All of your's tutorials it's valid to outside live shows?
@isaacsampson8152
@isaacsampson8152 Жыл бұрын
I like the third mic on the snare it gives that fat crisp sound
@stephenlennartz3466
@stephenlennartz3466 3 жыл бұрын
This excellent video answered my question about using gates on drums (don't do it!). Do you find the same to be true for vocal mics? We have 5 singers in our group--of course, not all are singing all the time. Could a gate on each vocal mic help reject spill from other instruments? Or will this have our sound guy 'chasing the technical' as you describe so well? Many thanks for your comments!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
If I use them on vocals, I make sure the range is low (-5 or so) so the jump isn't drastic, and I try and keep the threshold low enough that breaths don't get cut off either.
@JuzzyQld
@JuzzyQld 3 жыл бұрын
Gates are very annoying if you are on inears.... noise floor cutting in and out all the time
@petehixson9046
@petehixson9046 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to give you another option for kick drum mic. Turn the mic backwards and mic the inside of the front skin, just watch your phase as can become tricky. Cheers Pete. PS. good job on the advice, very accurate.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Pete!
@YannickRoy76
@YannickRoy76 4 жыл бұрын
Love the videos. How would U setup your drum set on stage? Do you put the classic drum shield? Do U add acoustic panels all around ? Some sorte of drum 🥁 box so if you have a small stage it won’t bleed in mics. Drums are so much louder than the rest of the band and always bleeds out of the stage into the crowd!! What’s your take?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Big topic! But it usually comes down to what the church leadership wants. I mix at some churches that only want some deflectors for the cymbals, and others that want a fully-enclosed drum kit. I've gotta just roll with it. And I'm a 9 on the enneagram so that's helpful
@YannickRoy76
@YannickRoy76 4 жыл бұрын
Attaway Audio Hi here’s a KZbin link of the worship team at 2h25:20 juste after a french sermon. Yep 👍 we’re from Montreal 🇨🇦 and this time my little brother is not at mixing but leading worship and got to sing in three languages in one of the songs... I’d say it’s a mix of hymns and contemporary music and I think we represent the typical 2020 church! There’s already a plexiglass shielding then drum from the rest of the band and better control of bleeding without compromising good sound quality is the idea ! Thanks kzbin.info/www/bejne/i37Gk6qeqMqheas
@willbrad2000
@willbrad2000 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks James, great video - i notice you've dragged the kit out of the booth (I'm guessing just for this video) would you mic the kit in the same way of it was in the booth? many thanks
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. I just needed space to film it.
@JuzzyQld
@JuzzyQld 3 жыл бұрын
I hate those things.... so much reflection causes timing issues
@vadimz8218
@vadimz8218 4 жыл бұрын
which microphone do you recommend for a hi-hat? thanks for the coolest vidos!!!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Small diaphragm condensers are all pretty good. Some people like the Audix i5 for a chunkier sound, but I love the Shure SM7b
@fredvahldiek738
@fredvahldiek738 4 жыл бұрын
I really like the Beyer M260.
@impulseproman
@impulseproman 4 жыл бұрын
akg 451B
@fredvahldiek738
@fredvahldiek738 4 жыл бұрын
Used those, KM184, CM700, 23F, SM81, P30 plus many more small condensers. The hypercardioid ribbon sounds more like the real hihat to me.
@Diablo89
@Diablo89 2 жыл бұрын
The answer for tom & kick gating: key filter. Low-pass at 100 or below for the kick, nothing else will trigger it except maybe the low toms but the threshold is easier to set. For toms, use either a bell set at the most prominent freq in the drum, or a low-pass for the low toms and get the threshold just above where the kick won’t trigger it, but the tom will…
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 2 жыл бұрын
great advice! thanks mate
@HalcyonGuitars
@HalcyonGuitars Жыл бұрын
What board are you sitting in front of?
@ΝίκοςΚαραντινίδης
@ΝίκοςΚαραντινίδης 4 жыл бұрын
Hi..your videos are very helpful .. thaks for that . I am a new FOH engineer (120 people room for Greek music) ,and a singer . I love Audix mics and i use the OM11 for my vocal . I am ready to buy 3 pieces Audix i5 to use them on acoustic guitar , mandolin , cello and other acoustic instruments , and a Audix OM6 for female vocals . In my ears the i5 has more clarity and high details than the shure 57 or beta 57 , and i want that . What is your opinion about those mics ( only for acoustic instruments , i have no drums ,snare , bottoms ) . Thanks ... and keep make videos...
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Those are great mics! Really it’s about what fits well on the input. Thanks for watching!
@DaleChristenson
@DaleChristenson 3 жыл бұрын
I like to mic the bottom of rack Tom’s and snare. These get no polarity reversal. The floor Tom’s on top but do get reversed. This works on kits where the drummer tunes the resonant head meticulously. Side benefit is the mics don’t get hit. I get really good cannon sound from toms.
@atcordice
@atcordice 2 жыл бұрын
what console are you sitting in front of in this video
@UrielRosasMusico
@UrielRosasMusico 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video, very helpful! Which model of mini mic stand is this?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Uriel! I think this is the mic stand here amzn.to/3aMs1ow
@UrielRosasMusico
@UrielRosasMusico 4 жыл бұрын
@@AttawayAudio ¡Gracias!
@rickylim1347
@rickylim1347 3 жыл бұрын
i always had a hard time setting up Kick drum mic mixing, really can't produce what i like to hear. The quickest easiest solution i found was to use a drum module, use an acoustic drum trigger. Presto, it's quick & i like what i hear (kick & toms only). I put drum mics though on the snare, hihats & cymbals. It works for me who often need rushed set up.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Sound ninjas make it happen 🙌
@a.dejager7062
@a.dejager7062 3 жыл бұрын
I always liked X/Y overhead. Any opinions on that?
@boutrosboutrosboutrosboutros
@boutrosboutrosboutrosboutros Ай бұрын
It seems intuitive to point the overhead microphones towards the area you want to record so the right one pointed just slightly to the right and the left one pointed just to the left or maybe straight down. That seems very obvious. I don't know why somebody would point them towards the snare drum
@TheSnoozeButton25
@TheSnoozeButton25 4 жыл бұрын
I was NOT ready for that Mike Vick joke 😂
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@paulmorrey733
@paulmorrey733 4 жыл бұрын
Great content and presentation Thanks
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! (Does that make you crave Chick-Fil-A?)
@nahiku8521
@nahiku8521 Жыл бұрын
wow this is detailed and solid. mahalo
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio Жыл бұрын
would you go so far as to say it's "da kine"?
@snapascrew
@snapascrew 4 жыл бұрын
I’m honestly wondering if that middle 57 on the snare is in good health....at the first demo it sounded the worst (as expected) but then when you compared the “across the drum” position with 3 different heights the middle 57 again sounded really crappy which was odd considering it was in the same position as the other two Mic’s just in between their heights. Can you test those mics when you have a sec and let me know? I’ve always beeh a fan of position one. Right above rim and pointing straight across is the shit!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
🙌 I'd have a hard time going back and finding those particular mics. Our ministry has something like 12 different sound systems, so it's mixed in with many others by this point.
@joshrichens8900
@joshrichens8900 4 жыл бұрын
@@AttawayAudio Hate to say it but he is dead right, those 57's all had their own sound and it completely negated any legitimate comparison. There was some decent information throughout this video but honestly I found a lot of it conflicting. Admittedly I come from studio recording as opposed to live sound so I understand some of it just came down to difference in application but some of the information in this video was either a little sketchy or your examples didn't clearly illustrate your point making the point harder to grasp.
@bobthemob1234
@bobthemob1234 2 жыл бұрын
what output would you use? what do you connect all the mics to in order to project the sound?
@speedfire6
@speedfire6 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome content
@the_Tornados
@the_Tornados 4 жыл бұрын
How about a video for us drummers who home record with limited gear? I have a 4 channel audio interface, 4 mics and Logic on my MacBook, I've found inserting samples for snare and kick gives the sound of a six mic setup......
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
I love recording, but focusing on live sound videos at the moment. Happy music making!
@WeWereYoungandCrazy
@WeWereYoungandCrazy 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure how these demos can be objective. do you feed these drum kit mics into the camera? do you mic the PA and feed that to the camera? Are you simply recording the drum sound with the shotgun mic on the camera?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Audio was recorded on separate channels on SSL L200 console and recorded via dante on my laptop.
@mountains889
@mountains889 5 жыл бұрын
finally the "right way" to mic a drum set :) -- so in the end you use a Beta on the snare?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
Yup! A little more hat rejection.
@mountains889
@mountains889 5 жыл бұрын
@@AttawayAudio Saw (I now know what it is) a MD 441 is this video amongst plenty of other non-typical miking kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIOmaH-BlruFis0
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah on the side snare! Great find Jason!
@a.dejager7062
@a.dejager7062 4 жыл бұрын
Try Beyer Dynamic M201 on the snare. Great!
@NoahNCopeland
@NoahNCopeland 4 жыл бұрын
So, I get don't want a spaced pair point inward, but I don't get quite why you don't recommend an XY pattern for OHs. Care to expound on that?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Sure! Stages tend to be noisy, so the more you have the mics pointed out and further from the source, you get a greater proportion of “noise” that’s on-axis to the mics. That’s my opinion at least. You can feel free to try it, especially if you’ve got a nice drum booth. But the reflections from the shield might be a problem today.
@JuzzyQld
@JuzzyQld 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like in a cage is a no go. I think theres no better stereo image than an xy
@vihangajayakody
@vihangajayakody 5 жыл бұрын
Thankyou..! And God Bless you.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! And God bless you too Vihanga!
@JloBroOFFICIAL
@JloBroOFFICIAL 4 жыл бұрын
reducing cymbal bleed in the snare drum is an absolute must right now. any pro tips??
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Tighter pattern on the mic, higher cymbals and hi-hat, anger management for the drummer
@chaiwatfilm6708
@chaiwatfilm6708 4 жыл бұрын
fantastic & Amazing
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks CHAIWAT film!
@CarlMadis
@CarlMadis 4 жыл бұрын
if you can you should make a tutorial where you delay your snare and maybe toms, kick with overheads to get maximum phase :) when you use overhears for full kit.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
I've tried it before, but I don't do it. I actually prefer the texture from mic placement having varied timing. Do your guitar players hit every string at exactly the same time? Or do your piano players hit every note at exactly the same time?
@sageAgainstTheMachine
@sageAgainstTheMachine 3 ай бұрын
Someone told me to use one mixer for drums and one for everything else.. would you recommend this and if yes how would you go about this
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 2 ай бұрын
too complicated. keep it simple
@sageAgainstTheMachine
@sageAgainstTheMachine 2 ай бұрын
@@AttawayAudio I don't have enough channels for drums. That's why I wanted to do a sub mix.
@SONORSQ2guy
@SONORSQ2guy 3 жыл бұрын
What microphones are you using for overheads in this video?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Shure KSM137
@cdannyf
@cdannyf 3 жыл бұрын
This video Deserved that like
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Way better than a "pity thumbs up" 🤣
@davidsuperdock7940
@davidsuperdock7940 5 жыл бұрын
So do you personally recommend mic'ing top and bottom snare? And kick in/kick out? Or do you find them unnecessary?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 5 жыл бұрын
If I’ve got the inputs available, definitely all of it. There’s a huge advantage to having all the tone differences available at the move of a fader, depending on what the song needs, or how the room acoustics change when the hot water bags (people) arrive
@Vater1
@Vater1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@shigaquino6237
@shigaquino6237 3 жыл бұрын
thanks it help a lot God bless
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! God bless you too Shig!
@smalltownjon
@smalltownjon Жыл бұрын
That boundary mic sounded WEIRD. Also the second 57 sounds way different not only because of the position on the drum. Great video!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio Жыл бұрын
yeah by itself, the boundary mic does not sound fantastic. But with another mic, it adds something special. And yes, that 2nd 57 was not "within spec." I'll make sure to use the same mic in different positions next time.
@salmanpavilius5624
@salmanpavilius5624 Жыл бұрын
Super 😮
@stefbarone
@stefbarone Жыл бұрын
Would the Hi Hat benefit from a dedicated mic too?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio Жыл бұрын
It would - if the drummer didn't bash it like he's angry with it. Find a drummer with finesse, and a hi-hat mic can be brilliant. I like it near the edge, but not where the two parts closing create a "whoosh" of air coming out.
@stefbarone
@stefbarone Жыл бұрын
Thank you @@AttawayAudio
@Daddynixterdrums
@Daddynixterdrums Жыл бұрын
“If you can’t get the snare drum to sound right with a 57… it’s not the 57’s fault. It’s your fault. 🤷🏽‍♂️🤨” best quote of the entire video for me 😂😂😂😅 bout time someone says it lol. I’ve asked my church why the 57 sits in the mic box while we use some other random mic on the snare top. They told me because one of the other guys said it was better than the 57… I’m like 😐… no. 57 has always been tried and true for snares. Not saying it can’t work well with other mics, but… yeah he said it 👆🏽
@workingcountry1776
@workingcountry1776 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm. Roland electric kits have been getting popular. I see with some money invested in the microphones we can get regular drums to sound good on streaming or recorded platforms too
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
If given the choice, I'd rather have acoustic instruments than electronic ones, almost every time. 808s excluded
@bearklenda7409
@bearklenda7409 3 жыл бұрын
We use a Shure VP88 as an overhead mic creates a wide stereo image and eliminates all phase incoherencies.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
Mid-side is a really sweet technique! That's a great mic for it
@mvwoon
@mvwoon Жыл бұрын
Snare and toms - how do you pan those?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio Жыл бұрын
Snare down the middle. Toms... you can go hard left & right if you want, or just a little, but audience perspective.
@Josh131996
@Josh131996 4 жыл бұрын
Stick that PZM under the snare close to the kick pedal for some awesome midrange thickness.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a fun experiment!
@Josh131996
@Josh131996 4 жыл бұрын
I do this all the time live. It allows you to compress it a ton and blend with snare top you can reduce dynamic range on snare really naturally. Crystal clear ghost notes.
@meekoloco
@meekoloco 4 жыл бұрын
Good info 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@xwig16
@xwig16 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to run your drum mics through a small mixer at the kit and then use a single output to the main soundboard? The result is the sound guys only have 1 channel on the main board for drum volume and effects?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it definitely limits your options. It’s doubtful that your drummer will turn up the snare by the right amount when he switches to the cross stick and then back again
@xwig16
@xwig16 4 жыл бұрын
@@AttawayAudio I am actually the drummer. I would like to be able to set the kit as a package before it gets delivered to the sound board. The sound guys at our small church are very inexperienced and I need to keep it simple for them.
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
It could work short term. But eventually they’ll need to do it themselves to GET experienced 👍🏼
@motifator20
@motifator20 4 жыл бұрын
That's the way I set up drums at many churches. 16 channel mixer behind stage. Group Toms together (roll off eq where needed), overheads, and preprocess snare and kick mics. Then I group and send 4 channels to main board (snare, kick, toms, overheads). There, the final touches can be applied (slight eq, compress, gates, reverb). It saves on channels and keeps the kit very consistent without a lot of extra mixing channels or worrying about dca groups at FOH.
@jasonmartin2051
@jasonmartin2051 3 жыл бұрын
Im having trouble with cymbal bleed into the vocal mics. Any videos or suggestions?
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 3 жыл бұрын
You can get darker cymbals, have your drummer ease up, get shields, and have your singers stay close to the mic.
@tommyakakomali8766
@tommyakakomali8766 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really sorry to ask this!! I can't understand this Part 14:17 polarity IN/OUT what does that mean ??? Can You Explain a bit??? Thanks, Brother!!!!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Polarity is the absolute push/pull of a signal. So when two mics pick up the same sound, some frequencies will be pushing/pulling at the opposite way at the same time and canceling out. So when we flip the polarity, the mics combine to emphasize or cancel different frequencies. Glad to help! Don’t apologize!!!
@tommyakakomali8766
@tommyakakomali8766 4 жыл бұрын
@@AttawayAudio thanks a lot brother!!!
@AttawayAudio
@AttawayAudio 4 жыл бұрын
You bet!
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