Attempting to prime-out our line-pump using only water…. It sucked. Link to an awesome Ready Mix channel: • Pump Job | Ready Mix D...
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@DimitrieDonovan5 ай бұрын
Big Time! i appreciate you brother. 😂😂😂 i thought that mix was going to make it to the other end😂.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
I much appreciate your positive thoughts with regards to this failed water-prime! 😂😂😂
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
We gotta get you on a livestream coming up here 😁😁😁
@ThePorkchop815 ай бұрын
You need to see the coarse sand I used to have to deal with. It was almost pea rock... 5mm sand
@ConcretePumpRepair5 ай бұрын
I hoping it would but I knew u we’re going to plug just exactly what u already knew… I know u will get it next time without a doubt…..
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
@@ThePorkchop81 gross!!!! It really seems to be the sand which dictates how well the material does/doesn’t pump rather than the actual aggregate.
@johnfarr31285 ай бұрын
Every time I’ve tried it even with 4” system that’s usually the outcome even trying to pre wet hoses bf I put them together! Another great video Scott !
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Misery loves company, in this case especially 😂
@MaxCrete5 ай бұрын
concrete pumping theory is about trying different methods with the material you have to work with.....great job👍
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Completely agree! It’s always fun to self-educate every once in a while,when the job site/scenario permits. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@andrewglouner78995 ай бұрын
You used to much water when you did it. 100ft out only needs about half a bucket of water and I always just dump it straight in the hose and let her eat and it primes great every time. I’ve noticed when you add to much water that’s when you tend to gravel pack due to the water washing all the grout out
@user-ng2mt2yr1t5 ай бұрын
As a finisher going through apprenticeship program and learning about the different mixed designs for California and across this country in the United States here in particular Scott they there's different Portland cement I don't know what kind of cement if you guys use any up there in your mix mixes for whatever you guys are pumping or pouring. That's what holds everything together is the cement that's the glue and everybody's plant they would learn that
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
So our cement up here comes from primarily 2-3 major suppliers. We had one ready mix provider run out of their own powder seeing the shortage so they were for a short time using powder from a competing supplier. The stuff was WILD in that it reacted almost completely differently with their plasticizer chemical in comparison to their usual powder. It would come down the mixer chute and 8” slump (placing-boom job) and exit the discharge hose at a 3.5”.
@TheConcretePumpGuy5 ай бұрын
I use bentonite to prime my Tk70 w/ 2.5in hose as well and it works like a champ. From what I’ve seen, when people water prime, you have to have the pump on as mixer pours into the hopper. You can’t let the material sit there with the water or it’ll separate faster. Good for you for giving it a shot for the people! Great channel
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Few people have mentioned exactly as you suggest. Definitely going to give it a try! Bentonite is also our go-to and rarely fails us. This was just more of a fun, experimental thing. 😁
@TheConcretePumpGuy5 ай бұрын
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 You’re a good man, taking on an eventful pour for the greater good of science! 😎 Always appreciate your content!
@mikeeemike9885 ай бұрын
Go back and watch your own video of saber concrete pumping. That boom pump is cycling and he sprays the mud as it goes into the pump. 1) spray water on the concrete as it comes down the chute. 2) start the pump as soon as concrete hits the chute. Do NOT fill your whole hopper. Drink a Tim Hortons hang out with the crew for 1/2 a hour while the stuff in the hopper is segregating. Then try to start. I pump that same grainy mix in AZ. With a s-tube We have a 1/2” rock mix / 12.7mm that’s very popular with back yard patio stuff. Water prime if it’s 150ft or less. Give it 1 more try but copy exactly how saber pumping did it.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Love the advice brother! Definitely going to give it another whirl! 💪💪💪
@ThePorkchop815 ай бұрын
😂😂 you nailed it. Just do as they did
@whosbrian40715 ай бұрын
Hey man, try filling the hopper a bit over half the cylinders and then pump forward. Fill hopper with concrete and wait a bit for mixers to mix the dry concrete with water. I wait like 15 seconds and then start pumping forward with some decent pressure. I’ve primed until now from 2” hose to 52m boom all mixes.
@tomsoil99095 ай бұрын
Stick with what works! Bentonite every time!!
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
It rarely lets me down. I mostly just enjoy playing around with different techniques for the sale of self-educating when time/circumstances permit (this job was the perfect scenario for a little experimentation).
@ConcretePumpRepair5 ай бұрын
I enjoy your content. As I was watching it as soon as the concrete hit your hopper I was shouting “ pump it! There!! Pump!…. Oh No…. “ If you do the exact same thing as this video but when the concrete hits your hopper asap start pumping at more than half open throttle… I will bet anybody that u won’t get plug like you did here. … But I can be wrong. I don’t know shit… I m not a pumper…. I just fix this rigs better known as concrete pumps over in the side of town where the sun shines like there is no tomorrow. Souther California.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
I’m 100% going to try exactly your suggested method and make a KZbin short of it. Wish me luck!!! 😁
@ConcretePumpRepair5 ай бұрын
I will enjoy it. My pleasure to be ur audience
@christcatsiavas60245 ай бұрын
I’m from Australia and I use washed sand probably about 3-4 shovels and mix it with just one shovel of cement powder then when comes time to pour mix with water a little bit above the sand and cement mixture and that will give you a nice slurry mixture and the prime the line with water first probably about a bucket full then put the slurry mixture through works a treat and I ushaly will hop on the back of the truck and look into the bowel to make sure the slump is correct before going through the pump helps with blockages a lot I try to minimise the amount of concrete going into the hopper that isn’t the desired slump
@adamcrenshaw12055 ай бұрын
For years I just used dirt water and a little dish soap untill it was like a chocolate milkshake and sent it packin works great but now I use bentonite like a real pro 😉
@rickm.105 ай бұрын
First mistake was listening to “the people” lol When I first started line pumping you could get away with priming 100ft of hose with water, but that’s about it. Nowadays, with the heavy usage of chemicals to make up for the strength in concrete it’s pretty well impossible to prime hoses with water. Mix designs are not nearly as creamy as they were 10 years ago. Now, if I have to prime with water I do it one hose at a time. If I have more than 3 hoses I’m using cement powder
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Agreed, our mixes ain’t what they used to be. From what I’ve seen, the guys water priming have either a ball-valve machine, and/or a really creamy/fatty mix. I believe that the heavy amount of sand in our mixes is not conducive to water-priming.
@davidscott65705 ай бұрын
Here in Aus we use sand (fatty loam) mixed with water. Works great every single time through line pumps and z-folded booms
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
I’ve heard that from a few guys now. What’s the name of the sand type which you’re using? Need to source some of that same stuff from around here.
@JamesSinclair.5 ай бұрын
Brickys sand works every time 👌 almost
@jamescalla66275 ай бұрын
Yeah 1 hose at a time for water priming 2". I do that most days. Or use cement mixed like the olden days. 🤣
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
So it’s not just me failing with this full-pull water-prime method then? 😂 Do you ever use bentonite for priming? Works great and costs pennies per prime. Just can’t ever let it work its way into the slab, that’s all.
@chadmurphy43455 ай бұрын
The company i used to work for would fill their hopper up about half to three quarters of water and as soon as the concrete started coming out of truck they would go wide open and prime out. But it was an older ball valve.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Seems to be a common trend with guys suggesting faster prime versus a slower one when using just water. I most definitely was going too slow here in this video.
@danieln27075 ай бұрын
Think it's because you don't want the concrete catching up with the water because it causes separation just like using slickpack on pipelines over 30m it causes blockages @@canadianconcretepumper1979
@Adhamh-h5v5 ай бұрын
One thing I take from your videos is safety and know how but most importantly it’s the care factor. Pumping ain’t easy but giving a fuck seems hard. Send it mate 😎👊🏻 🇮🇪 🇦🇺
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Appreciate that my man. Always try to incorporate some element of safety into my vids. So many little things in terms of safety often get overlooked in our industry and then when it’s too late, lead to much bigger things.
@Adhamh-h5v5 ай бұрын
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 your Right my fellow mud slut,do the same thing but on repeat follow what you know and works but Always watch listen. At times your girl will tell you all you need to know when sending it so eyes and ears open. My rule is safety first and the hoseman and in turn doing that you’ll provide a good clean job and happy customer. Look after your war horse and it will look after you and when the shit hits the fan,work fast hard and safe. Send it !!
@pato543215 ай бұрын
I think it would have worked better if the mix was wetter in the beginning, it looked far to stiff for that small diameter hose
@robertswain3705 ай бұрын
I think it's diffently the mix and the highdrolic ball valves seem to be better at getting it through with just water I always used water and a slurry mix
@rebelson46175 ай бұрын
Best way to do it is hook all hoses up and fill the hopper until it’s at the top of the mud barrels then get 2 strokes then dump the concrete in
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Few guys have mentioned that same technique. Definitely going to give it a go the next time I try this! 👌👌👌
@josec52535 ай бұрын
En canarias a la tolva le ponemos arena de África humeda para q nos se nos pegue el hormigón y nos sirve para cuando sacamos la lechada si el hormigon viene con mucha grava se mezcle con agua y qede mas pastoso.
@lagresomadsl5 ай бұрын
Almost forgot. I try to get the first stone accumulation out of the pump before I attempt to drive alot of hoses straight out of the pump or at the end of the mast. Usually makes my life little bit easier👍
@user-xw6nn3xv5l5 ай бұрын
Nice try dude! All you needed was more water! I'm the 300ft foot water prime guy hahaha. I fill my pea gravel pump up all the way up to the top of the ball and seats.....so for yours I believe that's the bottom of the s cam? Mind you about a full wheel barrel of water blasts out but the crew will spread it out or spray it in a empty wheel barrel. Nice video, cheers. Larry's Concrete Pumping Inc, Corona CA
@user-xw6nn3xv5l5 ай бұрын
We run TA pumps (Small handmade pump builder here in socal) My pump holds the water until the mud fills the hopper and that is the most important thing, not sure if yours holds water while pumping....you can also rise the reducer off the pump till you get mud in the hopper and then kick it down.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
lol!!! YOU’RE THE GUY!!! 😂😁😂 Enough people have commented/suggested the same as you, I’ve gotta take the advice and give it another whirl!!! That being said, I ain’t holding my breath. 😂😂😂
@chriscalhoun.concretepumping5 ай бұрын
Exactly how my one and only attempt went! I’ll stick to super primer’s liquid primer because it works every single time. Two Thumbs up to those who can do it and make it work every single time !! It’s just not for me lol. 😂
@lagresomadsl5 ай бұрын
I don't know if a product called sa is available in Canada. It is a fat fluid used as an accelerate in the concrete. Useful with lower temperatures and quicker drying with higher temperatures. A nightmare in the hopper, off course, with higher temperatures and slow jobs. But there is one useful feature of this product for us pumper guys and girls. To get the concrete from the pump to the end hose of hoses. I ran a specialised concrete designed for hoses, no rocks in the mix, but can be a nightmare, usually we're wet mix, with water and a couple of Liters with the acceleration fluid in 46m of pump and 85 meters of hose in one go. With a reduced amount of rocks I usually get almost to the end. Clogging up a dried plug while the concrete is travelling in the hose. Usually, at the last or 2 last hoses. In my experience, water in hoses works only with smaller lengths like 15-20 meters. Only waterpriming hoses never work as Easy as priming out a mast. If it is to succeed in one go, the requirement for the concrete to work this way is so high. it's more down to luck than competence.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Awesome advice. I need to look into that “SA” product which you mention. Going to check with a few of my ready mix buddies to see if they can help me source it.
@lagresomadsl5 ай бұрын
@canadianconcretepumper1979 is an acceleration product placed in the truck at the construction site. I do believe it should be available in Canada, too. It has many characteristics as diesel
@michaelburgos5645 ай бұрын
It was too dry....that's why it clugged up....on a slump test I like it to be 10".....when we do grouting on 2"in hose the wetter the better....
@dewritoz21715 ай бұрын
I prime 150-200 feet with straight water, anything more I break it off or use prime a pack
@user-ng2mt2yr1t5 ай бұрын
And that's coming from a finisher that's been working with concrete pump operators all my life doing concrete work so I can say that and oh by the way Scott are those finishers that were that
@philwoodward26123 ай бұрын
I prime my boom and line with cement poured into grouting pot on back end
@newrealm91875 ай бұрын
I fill water half way up the cylinders and prime out at a 6 with 2 inch line. Even with 200’
@newrealm91875 ай бұрын
But that’s a schwing 500😁
@pietmorees27755 ай бұрын
Scott 👊🏻👍🏻
@josec52535 ай бұрын
Pero cuando empezaste se veia venir q se te iba a trancar el hormigón estaba muy duro
@superiorsteeljack5 ай бұрын
I think its a mix and hose size thing. bentonite is a fail proof way.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
100% agree! I think even stepping up to 2.5” hose would yield much better results with the water-prime. Either way, as you mentioned, bentonite for the win!
@shayne1315 ай бұрын
FluidStone's UPJ for the line prime up win!😉😂Not that i'm biased.😂
@TheConcreteman0065 ай бұрын
Rocks and water dont mix. Curious what was the mix design, how much rock, pea and cement. Peagravel pump with water no sweat. Rocks, no water....
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Mix designs in our region they are fairly secretive about and generally do not divulge the specific proportions (with one exception being exposed aggregate mix in which we can select the amount of stone we would want).
@agonz115 ай бұрын
down in socal we water prime olin ball valve pumps but everything else bentonite.
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Any tips/tricks for a successful water-prime?
@agonz115 ай бұрын
@@canadianconcretepumper1979definitely don’t let water run away, like you said. i use a stake or something to hold the reducer/elbow up. also from what i’ve been taught, when priming, have volume decently high. probably 60 70 %. that’s about all i got though 😂 i’m only 17 and still have a lot to learn.
@lagresomadsl5 ай бұрын
By the way. I'm looking for a change in my life. If you need me, I'm very soon available. My life needs a change because of a lot of context in my life I never bargained for or asked for.
@randallbernard20745 ай бұрын
Our sp 1000 schwing dosent know what primer is. Lol
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
A common Schwing sentiment. Legend has it, they can actually prime-out using cinder blocks. 😂😂😂
@randallbernard20745 ай бұрын
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 got to let her chew it first. But she'll get that mud to the other end for sure lol
@user-ng2mt2yr1t5 ай бұрын
Whoever that was that said that to you Scott obviously is never been outside of California or wherever they're from here in the United States and pumped concrete in in different countries and all that to even understand what they're even talking about or they don't know anything about understand the mixes they pump obviously otherwise they wouldn't be telling you that
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
It does seem to work for some guys (I’ve been sent videos) but their mixes seem to be much “creamier” than ours, if that makes any sense.
@newrealm91875 ай бұрын
I know the issue!! It’s not a schwing..
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
I actually a little disappointed that it took as long as it did for this response to surface. 😁
@newrealm91874 ай бұрын
@@canadianconcretepumper1979 I’m glad I could help Scott!
@kingortega37834 ай бұрын
Wich i can work for you guys
@jamessomero36175 ай бұрын
When the next live stream
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
Thinking another week or two here. Once per month is kinda the target pace I believe.
@garlenseong384 ай бұрын
Probably cause you guy use bigger rock and the sand
@michaelschwanke28105 ай бұрын
Who the fuck only uses 5 gallons
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
This guy!!!! 😂
@user-vp6vu8xl1c5 ай бұрын
This is guaranteed to be a shit show
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
I wish I could say you were wrong... 🤣🤣🤣
@charleshicks44745 ай бұрын
I have used even pink insulation rolled up then cover with polythene
@canadianconcretepumper19795 ай бұрын
@@charleshicks4474 some of the techniques for priming as well as cleaning out the lines are just wild! A real witches brew, lol! Love it 💪💪💪