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[@jtemt1140]

“You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.” Well, what the hell happens if there is a fire in a crowded theater?

[@mccjoe01]

Or if "fire" is the punchline of a joke? Or if everyone knows you don't really mean it?

[@robeyreed2499]

I was just about to post this very same thing!!

[@seanalexander8573]

@@jtemt1140 you yell bear!

[@jtemt1140]

Hopefully everyone sees just how ridiculous this “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater” argument is. What we’re talking about here is motivation and motivation is derived from intent. Was the person intending to alert others to a threat or were they simply intending on being an a$$h0le and causing a false alarm? Because we have laws to govern the latter. Just like it’s not the “tools” that cause harm, it’s the persons intent. But we don’t want to talk about that because that don’t fit the narrative or the end goal, now does it?

[@Soucka74]

And yes technically you can yell fire and a crowded theater however you will pay consequences for your actions.

[@lanedexter6303]

I am with the founding fathers on 2A. They did not believe in limits. Before 1934, you could buy a cannon or machine gun for cash, no paper. I have walked into a small town hardware store with Dad, and we bought a case of dynamite and some caps & fuse, for cash, no paperwork. If a man is not under arrest or incarcerated, he has the God-given right to be armed - with anything.

[@chimemasterj6233]

100% correct!

[@neilkratzer3182]

You can still buy a cannon.

[@TheCorybonuaf]

Also, if you cannot be trusted to own a firearm, you should not be trusted in the general population of society.

[@pARabell9mm]

One sides a lawyer The other sides insurance. Sounds like a lose/lose scenario to me...

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Not if you are facing a criminal case in court.

[@eldonmontgomery2465]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom Facing the court you will be facing those who cannot understand what you have been thru. They cannot understand your motivation. They cannot understand your position because you are the enemy who caused the problem. you brought this awful crap in this court and they want you to pay. They don't want to understand. for bringing this evil here. You might have successfully defended your wife and children and then totally fail to defend yourself in court.

[@pARabell9mm]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom you wind up in court if front of a "judge" like the one that put CRS in a cage or the one in New York who said "the 2A doesnt belong in my court room" then it doesn't matter what kind of lawyer you have. Unless that lawyer is a 2A absolutist I don't figure they're gonna fight for you as hard as they should.

[@1611KJV]

That’s literally what I believe. If the Government can have it, we can have it. Dang it. I thought these guys were good to go.

[@AdamosDad]

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery” - Thomas Jefferson 🛡Μολών λαβέ

[@novaromer]

I know a lot of attorneys that represent pedofiles. They vigorously defend them in court. I know every one of them detest their clients behavior. I know of lawyers that are the bluest of blue democrats and detest firearms. However, they are on the short list of attorneys that I would call if I was on the wrong side of the law. An attorney’s job is to be a client’s absolute advocate. An attorney should be judged on their client advocacy as opposed to their personal beliefs. AOR should be responding about their client advocacy as oppose to their personal beliefs. Their beliefs do not matter. Their results in court do.

[@tokyosan7906]

I couldn't give less fks what AOR's personal beliefs or political positions are. If they are the best lawyers to have on my side if the government tries to roll me, I am hiring them. The name of the game is winning in court, not us all thinking alike in court. I will still look forward to the next content from my favorite reaction video influencer though, crumpy. Keep up the work.

[@dstew3709]

Correct, of the 2 top current options available, both with less than hard-core absolutists ideals, I will take actual "honest" lawyers over an insurance company

[@chrish.5784]

@@dstew3709 LOL, what makes you think they are honest? They come across like used car salesmen to me.

[@dstew3709]

@@chrish.5784 I did put it in quotes, and I mean "honest" being relative to the situation, they are at least saying where they stand on the subject (even if unpopular), where the other company has been denying, lying & trying to hide what they did/ there stance

[@montanamusings]

I don't trust AOR, or USCCA!

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Watch the video

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

​@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedomyour viewpoint on the 2A is more offensive the more you speak. You are not to be trusted regarding 2A. You are a trojan horse on this matter.

[@thomaskingsbury6560]

Try looking full circle at this issue. The language is where things can get trippy. Words interpreted with bias on a position can be a slippery slope when discussing topics such as this. Absolutism is like one eye blind. We all ride this ship called earth and balance of viewpoints is necessary for us to be able to mutually share this ship with all parties concerned. I went with and am staying with AOR as after extensive research and inquiry deemed it the best choice for me. Due diligence is a personal choice and duty for each individual and the freedom and liberty is there to do just that. There are a ton of lawyer jokes to go around and there are a ton in instances where insurance companies have shown themselves to be unethical and the case of self defense is not the time to be canceled.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@thomaskingsbury6560 Thank you for the reasoned and balanced words of wisdom. We don't all have to be 100% in agreement on everything, do we?

[@StrikeBuster-b2b]

I was signed up for the USCCA platinum package. They kicked me out because I wasn't opening every single email.

[@4n4rch1st7]

5:49 I learned to safely handle firearms when i was 6, and I'm a paranoid schizophrenic, yet i've never harmed or attempted to harm anyone, and I've never had a firearm related accident. Everybody is different and any generalized ban on any group of people will inevitably lead to innocent people being stripped of their rights. Whether or not a child can safely handle a firearm is entirely dependent on parenting and whether or not a mentally disabled person can safely handle a firearm is effectively random chance.

[@jessiemcgee7057]

as long as his "Personal" views don't affect his ability to defend clients against charges or cause them to drop clients at the moment services are needed others shouldn't care

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Why would this matter? We fight hard for everyone regardless of what they believe.

[@jessiemcgee7057]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom that's exactly what I meant

[@jessiemcgee7057]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom I don't care about your personal views just if you defend your clients which I've never heard you haven't so I personally have nothing but respect for that

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@jessiemcgee7057 Thanks brother! We appreciate you.

[@Soucka74]

I don't care who you are. Everybody has their own biases no matter what and can be influenced my his or her own biases. Even if they don't want to admit it to themselves.

[@WildcardSigma]

100% agree with your stance! I'm all about local communities holding more power in community affairs than the federal government. However, I see the second amendment as a human right. A right not granted by the government. Such a right is not for anyone to dictate what that right means to the individual. If I want a particular tool that I have analyzed as appropriate for defense, then no one should tell me that my choice is invalid due to someone's opinion of what is a proper tool for my defense needs.

[@2Truth4Liberty]

Freedom is Scary. Loss of Freedom is Terrifying.

[@warrenholmes7257]

Marc J. Victor's Stance on Freedom and the 2nd Amendment: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mITbqoeahZWVbsk

[@stephenchadwick7992]

EASY FIX. do not do business with this company

[@bobmcgoober27]

federalism supports democratic values more than the constitution(ie if a million people want to say you cant; you cant). antifederalism supports constitutionality (ie if a million people want to say you cant, and its constitutionally protected activity, you can)!

[@edwardebroome8]

Make America Free Again! Abolish ATF & End NFA

[@2Truth4Liberty]

The only Americans that should not have the ability to exrecise their right to keep and bear arms are those who are lawfully in custody of the governemnt, either civilly or criminally.

[@rodneyferguson446]

I agree with you John. When a Person has "Paid his Debt to Society", that Person should get ALL of his Rights Back. (FWIW, If he's on Parole, he hasn't paid his debt.) To simplify it , if you buy a car and pay it completely off, that debt is paid and the car is yours. If you still owe the bank for the car, then the car is NOT yours because you still owe a debt to the Bank, so the car really belongs to the Bank. I know a LOT of People will say one is not comparable to the other and I'm NOT trying to say they are the same thing, just trying to REALLY simplify it for those who disagree that someone should get their Rights Back after they were convicted of a Felony and completed their Punishment for commiting the Crime. They shouldn't have to keep paying for the rest of their lives. Like you said, if you can't trust them, they shouldn't be out walking the Streets. (And FWIW, I'm 68 and have never been convicted of a Felony.....ALTHOUGH, Just after I turned 18, I went to work for TDC for 6 Months and FELT like I was in Prison, LOL!)

[@jeffhays1968]

If you are not convicted or legally insane there should be no gun restrictions to speak of.

[@TheCharlesAtoz]

I think we as a community ought to find common ground. I don't know how, but we actually need to have open debate, not just one-sided reaction videos.

[@barackmycat9448]

I can`t say I was impressed.

[@warrenbierwirth5076]

You can’t yell fire in a movie theater analogy. That voice is still inside of you weather you use it for good or bad. Same as a firearm. You don’t use it unless I is really needed

[@jeffhays1968]

Even Scalia said limits were OK if you read his writings.

[@ecobasetech4558]

Who the hell is "Scalia"?

[@jeffhays1968]

@@ecobasetech4558

[@CptFUNK1]

As far as I'm concerned, if they stand by their word and defend their clients in court as they say they will, then they are good to go. If they want to preach trash ideas to the gun community, then there is ample opportunity for a rival firm to drink their milkshake. Of course, if their leadership starts directly donating to anti-gun politicians (BRCC) or lobbying for anti-gun laws in order to achieve a monopoly/guaranteed business model (USCCA and other insurance orgs/safe companies), then my money will go elsewhere.

[@chuckmiller5763]

So, if you go with an insurance company like USCCA, who will pick your attorney, that attorney could be 100% anti gun and this would be fine because AOR might believe is some gun restrictions? Even though AOR are very good gun related civil and criminal attorneys.

[@boldie24]

To be clear, USCCA will assign an attorney or you can choose your own. Either is covered.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

More common sense!

[@chuckmiller5763]

@ Or they may just not cover you at all.

[@nclucky1789]

Aor is a better choice in my opinion they are lawyers. Not an insurance company like the others. Insurance companies are controlled by bean counters. Uscca and other insurance based cary insurance have proven they might not be there when you need them.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

Marc's viewpoint is offensive to me.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@BigTomInTheBasement What's so offensive? Is it that I think 8 year old kids shouldn't have guns unsupervised? Or, mentally ill people? Really? Seems like common sense to me.

[@Soucka74]

So you think that uscca don't have damn good attorneys working for them or on hier.

[@Soucka74]

​@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedomI actually agree with you on these two points however if I want a 50 caliber machine gun and I can pay for it, I should be able to have it. The founding fathers actually agreed with individuals having cannons and battleships.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

@Soucka74 USCCA is an insurance company. They hire whatever lawyers they can for you. Good or bad isn't the issue.

[@CptFUNK1]

The "fire in a crowded theater" argument is and always has been BS. What gun controllers are arguing there is that a potential bad action justifies the banning of a physical object. In other words, a deranged person murdering numerous innocent people justifies the banning of the weapon that enabled that action to take place. To be intellectually honest and equal to this example, government would be justified in banning the use of the word "fire" in every instance whatsoever, as this is the equivalent to the gun bans that they propose. This of course, is completely absurd. Prosecute the crime and the person that committed it, not the tool.

[@jeffhays1968]

We can't even count on gun companies to be pro gun. Remember Springfield Armory fiasco? And just recently Savage in Mass climbing on board the new gun law ?

[@astarothk2273]

put simply, it is not the speech the law should target, but the salt and buttering, or the unaliving, where i attempt to erase your right, if i have a big pen that can write order 66, but i dont use it, its just a pen, i have a right to it, regardless of color or speed, i can have a whole garden full of pens, but until one of them ACTUALLY harms another, they are part of my right to property, and to wield them in defense

[@Nope145]

On the contrary, you can yell fire in a crowded theater if there is a fire or if there isn't there's consequences.

[@SWVA2TX]

I canceled my USCCA membership because I don’t want an insurance company looking for reasons not to cover me. I haven't decided about AoR yet. I like that they are lawyers. Not insurance company bean counters. I don't particularly like lawyers because I think most of the successful ones have to sell their souls for that success. But that also means they are capable of setting their personal beliefs aside to defend me as best they can. I dislike much of what this guy said. My decision will come down to whether I think he will defend me effectively if I need it. I don't know yet.

[@luguefamily1498]

IMHO if someone doesn't have the same 2A views as me I would doubt they'd do their best to defend me and my case.

[@boldie24]

Did you watch the video? You really want AOR to defend you when they state the beliefs that they did in the video? Really?

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

I encourage you to watch the video

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@boldie24 It all depends on whether you want a solid defense in court. Are you saying we can't defend anyone who disagrees with any aspect of our political views? I'm not following your logic. I'm wondering if you watched the video

[@markfischer4918]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom Most of the people who watch channels like this are not that bright, so I doubt they will have the brain power to understand what you are saying. These are one-issue people who never learned to think outside the box.

[@2Truth4Liberty]

"2A Absolutist" is not a clearly defined term. If you believe that you can't brandish a firearm in a theatre, are you not considered a 2A Absolutist?

[@vonstolzhaus]

If not AOR then who?... I personally believe groups of people agreeing together have no say so over the Constitution. I believe "Shall not be Infringed" is what matters. Please if you have ideas on who to use for representation. Thank you for your content! Cheers.

[@traillesstravelled7901]

I don't care if the person I hire to do a job feels the same as I do. I do care if they do the job as hired to do. If I hire someone to do something, they take my money, then not do the job they are a$$holes.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

If their meaning of words is different than yours, maybe you should be very careful with using their services or helping them attain power to use against you.

[@Jon38]

The "can't yell fire in a theater" thing is soooo misunderstood. Its not about what you say, it's about what happens as a consequence of saying it. What if you yell FIRE and nothing happens?

[@OldSchoolDad]

I agree with all of your positions John. That being said, I didn't sign on with AOR for them to sue governments to restore my gun rights. I signed on with them to keep me out of jail if I have to defend myself. I'm very confident that they are excellent at doing that (and won't try to drop me like USCCA).

[@JohnCrumpNews]

That is a good point

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Yup. Excellent point!

[@Timboykee]

The government(s) of the US were meant *not* to be the nannies of the People - to "micromanage" nearly every aspect of our lives. I believe the Founders understood governments always try to assume such levels of authority. Every time a law is passed regarding the capacity of your magazines, every time another license plate reader is installed, is another infringement on your right to be your own autonomous person.

[@Rod_Serlings_wristwatch]

So can an HOA ban forms of Christianity, Judaism, anyone’s choice of Religion Etc. ?? This is a completely RIDICULOUS stance. An HOA has zero power to override Constitutional powers / Rights.

[@narr0wm1nd49]

What about the HOA that says woman aren't allowed to go outside without a hat and full body covering? Or how about work outside the home? Or what about the HOA that requires you to have at least 2 slaves on staff, one house slave and one field slave? All good? Or we ready to say you cant negotiate away protected rights.

[@edgratz3425]

I think all the KZbinrs need to take this USCCA vs AOR outside and settle it yourselves.

[@usagrunt2484]

D@mn! I left US Law Shield about 10 months ago and signed up for AOR. Mark's words/beliefs are extremely disturbing to me. I live in an HOA community and have been for 6 years. What if the HOA decided to change and restrict firearms? You just don't pick up and move overnight. Besides, this is my "F" ing house. He said that he has no right to tell his neighbor how to live, but he believes if you group up, it's ok then. I sure as hell do not want gun laws handled at a local level. Imagine the crap/confusion by carrying from one jurisdiction to or through multiple jurisdictions just to go to grandma's house.

[@BigTomInTheBasement]

Yeah. He's a trojan horse regarding 2A. It's more disturbing that he ran for Senate.

[@matortiz2322]

Community regulation of firearms really in a way is a tough topic like the Amish dont like anything other than basic shotguns, 22lr, or a bolt action rifle other hunting or self defense tools are "worldly" I'm assuming in a hippie type community they could maybe place similar restrictions but I agree the government definitely has no say in those type of things with state or federal laws I also believe in a world where parents paid attention to their kids we shouldn't have to lock them up unfortunately there's many adults who just leave them laying around and dont pay attention to the kids then before you know it you have a young misguided juvenile with a gun

[@Franimus]

Marc doesn't have the best stance on what "reasonable" gun laws might entail, but I see no reason to doubt AOR's capabilities or vigor from all this. Cancel culture is ridiculous!

[@Franimus]

He's still better than a lot of people, though! Whoever is not against us, is with us.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

We should be more united in the 2A community.

[@craigdge]

One question I think you should ask is whether your money is going toward the anti gun lobby and whethere AOR benefits from more stringent gun laws that are more likely to find you guilty of a crime and thus only eligible for their discount program. I'm astounded by the stupidity of his arguments of leaving a fun with your unattended 4 year old - there are a litany of crimes in that scenario, why do we need to ban the fun? I am definitely interested in what AOR's track record of obtaining acquittals and good plea deals for their clients. I'm unimpressed with his attempts to persuade me to give up my right to keep and bear arms

[@LethalMayo]

I would still need a lawyer. I dont really care about his veiws, even though they suck

[@DanielMiddleton-r7d]

this guy should never get work in the 2A space ever again. Ive seen his other videos on gun issues and he is a foolish clown.

[@randybounds2244]

I was looking at AOR. Not anymore

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

I suggest you watch the video first

[@JohnCrumpNews]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom You are welcome anytime on my podcast

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@JohnCrumpNews Please call the firm to get something scheduled.

[@luguefamily1498]

@@randybounds2244 This and also the Slimy business practices trying to steal other companies by putting doubt in people's mind. It reminds me of how CNN and The View on how they put out misinformation to get you to vote a certain way.

[@JohnCrumpLive]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom I will place a call tomorrow

[@dstew3709]

1st & 2nd amend I think work the same, everyone has a right to say or have what they want, that right is forfeit only when malicious injury is inflicted on someone else

[@seanalexander8573]

AOR killed their clientele quick with this

[@boldie24]

There is SOOOOooooo much wrong with what he is saying. HOA's can ban guns and if you don't like it move? Is this guy really a lawyer?

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Not really. Many reasonable people agree with us. Many others who disagree recognize that reasonable minds can disagree and we can still do a good job representing them in court.

[@Rod_Serlings_wristwatch]

So can an HOA ban forms of Christianity, Judaism, anyone’s choice of Religion Etc. ?? This is a completely RIDICULOUS stance. An HOA has zero power to override Constitutional powers / Rights.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@Rod_Serlings_wristwatch I defend the rights of homeowners to make any agreements among themselves that they prefer. They can't force their conclusions on anyone who doesn't agree.

[@Rod_Serlings_wristwatch]

@ with all due respect, this is an evasive response to the statement I made. You and I both know an HOA can do nothing about the exercise of Constitutional rights. An HOA would lose in court over a hypothetical case like “we don’t allow anyone to own semi auto firearms in the house YOU OWN in our community”.

[@lanedexter6303]

I think this controversy will hurt AOR and USCCA. At this point, I’m thinking U.S. Law Shield or Right To Bear.

[@davidpittman9664]

Afternoon John. Where can we find the No Quarter flag you have in the background?

[@LeeFox1337]

Crazy how fast I see, what I believe to be Mark, show up in the comments. AOR could be the best at defending. But this thing about having "the community" decide dose not work for me. Because like always it's whatever the majority want even if they show up later. Where someone can be outnumbered by people that moved there within the last few years. To me that crates a problem that now needs a lawyer.

[@Franimus]

HOAs and apartment complexes cannot ban owning guns, but they can ban them in common areas.

[@kimdearrington258]

Absolutely NO RESTRICTIONS at all! This guy representing AOR, nor do the USSC get the final word of what is allowed and what is not allowed, because the Second Amendment is very clean, and every single politician in this country have all sworn to protect those Rights, not to regulate or restrict them in any way whatsoever!

[@carywhozawhastit2024]

Except you CAN yell FIRE in a crowded theatre. Lying about the presence of a fire....that's another thing. Brandenburg v. Ohio. I'm glad I didn't give these guys my money.

[@boldie24]

Hard to believe he's actually a lawyer......

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

We of course agree with you. This is presumed in the statement.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@boldie24 Really? Did you watch the video?

[@boldie24]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom I did Marc. Let's start with your comments on HOA's. No amount of "agreements between homeowners" override constitutional law. That's not a belief, that's law. And your suggested solution is to not buy a home within, or move, from said HOA? Seriously?

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@boldie24 I wouldn't let any group impose any rule on anyone they didn't agree to. However, property owners can agree among themselves whatever they want; even that everyone MUST have a firearm.

[@johnl9857]

I'm not a fan of AOR outlook, however what is there record vs others in successful representation of clients? Are they dropping clients free willy? Are they doing a poor job? Not just AOR but USCCA .. I think these types of questions are the important ones..

[@JohnCrumpNews]

That is true

[@garyowen9044]

Reductio ad absurdum

[@Lttrack]

I already dropped USCCA, was thinking about AOR. Not any more.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Too bad for you. Let me know which company agrees with you 100% on everything and will do a better job in court than AOR.

[@seanalexander8573]

@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom so if I live in an HOA who has by decree banned guns .. and I use my gun in defense of my family would I still be covered or because you believe people don't have the right to bear arms in their home would you drop them like uscca??

[@fixyourmind]

@@seanalexander8573 I's like to know the answer to this Marc. Are you personal views going to get it the way of defending clients?

[@chaosad9754]

If an H.O.A. wants to ban firearms, they should widely publicize it so criminals know where to go, it will keep gun owning communities that much safer.

[@bigd3104]

But if the HOA put up "Gun Free Zone" signs all around their properties, that should keep them all safe, right? 🤣

[@fatgreyman183]

I'm not opposed to all "gun laws", the one law that says "shall not be infringed" is a pretty good gun law that many seem to forget about.

:30 lost interest

[@randyemenhiser2573]

Hilarious! Not long ago, every Tom, Dick, and Harry jumped on the AOR bandwagon - including all the youtube channels. After this, people will scurry away like rats jumping off of a sinking ship. 😅

[@tk-sd9dv]

I won't be

[@BCM16AR]

If you don't know what a 2nd Amendment absolutist is you're the wrong company for me.

[@jrmotorsports55]

Yeah, this is not good for their look if they are trying to gain clients.

[@adamg3911]

Let’s go Wolverines! AOR seems suspect now, thank you for the coverage, John.

[@hmmm2183]

The problem I have with AOR, USCCA and all the others is that you really have no idea as to what they will do,,, period, They are not insurance, they are not lawyers, they just take your money .... in the end you hope their contract is worth the paper its written on... I have signed up for one and expect it to pay out in the case of a defense shooting but there is nothing but the past to assure the future... AOR has very little in the past to show they will ... USCCA has a past of distracting with "free things"... Neither focus on what you are buying "A competent legal defense for those of us without the means to put a law firm on retainer (10,000 to 500.000 for starts)

[@jordanragin1615]

Yeah buddy is digging himself in a deep deep hole

[@boldie24]

And he is repeating what he has said in the past. His words, not interpretations. Does anyone really believe anymore that he took money from liberal organizations to use it against then in defense of the 2A?

[@markfischer4918]

@@boldie24 That's exactly what he did, then he backed Republican Blake Masters, this is a fact.

[@CoreyFPiazza]

You can't yell fire in a crowded theater and you can't say anything about AOR, or the wrath of its fanbase, Heavy Duty Country, and Marc himself will be on you. The one thing that has put me off is I've seen decent 2A Gun Tubers just stating a position and losing a quarter of their subscription and getting a fiery video from Heavy Duty Country, and just, the Jihadist-like behavior of it all makes me feel very uncomfortable. I don't know why, but following this drama, that's the one thing that stands out. The ones stating their position as centrists and getting reamed for it aren't firing back and moving on with their lives. I will hand it to Marc, and I know he's reading this because he's in every YT video that mentions AOR, you guys are on fire for your brand. ON FIRE. And that's great. I'm sure you're great at what you do. But it feels like when I'm on a car lot and I get surrounded, overwhelmed, cornered, and if I state any reservations to yielding my support, Heavy Duty Country is standing over me with a the hammer of Thor, lol.

[@chchchscott1]

I heard AOR yesterday. I support what they said. If you want to live in a community that wants to be a “gun free” community, they should have the ability. A local government shouldn’t be able to enforce it. But an HOA or something like that could. But I’m not living there.

[@Coop72]

If you like it don't live here. Just put up a sign that your unarmed!

[@souperdad1]

Wow, really good video. Clears a lot of this debate up.

[@Fr1ti4e88]

HDC is still going to shill for these guys and make some excuses

[@luguefamily1498]

@@Fr1ti4e88 Follow the Benjamins baby....

[@racingdc9]

Which company do you go with John?

[@JohnCrumpNews]

I am not with USCCA or AOR. I have one, but I don’t want to influence anyone

[@Franimus]

​@@JohnCrumpNewsJust by speaking on it you're influencing...

[@fixyourmind]

@@Franimus So he should be quiet? Don't tell people what they are getting into? You tell me buddy, who should I go with?

[@Franimus]

@@fixyourmind No I'm making a point that he's simply hiding his bias instead of being open about it. He's pretending to be unbiased.

[@Franimus]

@@fixyourmind I don't use any such thing, so I have no endorsement. I can't afford it. I've heard some guntubers endorse another agency, though, and I don't think I've seen any hit pieces on them yet.

[@pewtin]

Second Call Defense ?

[@JohnCrumpLive]

I like those guys

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

See my review of them

[@pewtin]

@@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom "channel doesn't have any content"?

[@markfischer4918]

I have known Marc for decades. He has defended more people who were charged with gun crimes than anyone in Arizona. He speaks at many 2A functions, you guys are so wrong: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGmbgXevZbx1jqs

[@warrenharrison9490]

He still has sus stances on 2A. He's spoken clearly his beliefs, I will take my business elsewhere.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Thank you!

[@markfischer4918]

@@warrenharrison9490 Well what more can be said to you, you're just not that bright...

[@chuckmiller5763]

I have seen Marc and met him at gun shows. He is the best there is when defending cases involving guns.

[@warrenharrison9490]

@markfischer4918 Mark speaks clearly, I heard his words, from his own mouth. I'll take him at his word, and my business elsewhere.

[@talle8125]

Nothing like a two faced attorney.

[@ourlifeinwyoming4654]

Wow - I had no idea they were like this. I’ve had USCCA for many years. All the chatter has got me thinking. I may just give USCCA a call and let them answer to me about the charges made against them lately and I’ll go from there. The 2 A should not be compromised on period.

[@ar15dreaminrivera9]

I will be cancelling my service with AOR. The 2nd Amendment IS absolute!!!!

[@mikecompton6401]

Great video John

[@JohnCrumpNews]

Thanks 👍

[@matthewblumenthal804]

Jeeze. This guy really likes his straw men doesn't he? I will choose alternative CCW protection, thank you very much.

[@Quantiples]

Can someone confirm Marc Victor graduated from a US law school and passed the bar?

[@wicked-one-productions]

all institutions and businesses that sell self defense insurance are NOT 2A absolutists, getting paid off your fear to defend yourself. period. it is a lawful act to defend yourself, there is NO REASON for self defense insurance anyway, they exist to steal your money on the fear of the lawful act of self defense, am I the only person that sees it this way?

[@bigd3104]

The legal (in) justice system in this country isn't set up that way. Although self defense is legal, proving that it was "reasonable" beyond a shadow of a doubt will more than likely be decided in court where an overzealous prosecutor will do everything in his power to prove to a jury that it was an UNreasonable act and that you should be in prison for whatever amount of time the judge in the case deems appropriate. Thus, that's where lawyers come in. One could represent themselves in court, but that wouldn't be a good idea. It's their house, have to play by their rules.

[@wicked-one-productions]

@@bigd3104 its real simple, in my state if you are in reasonable fear of death of self or others lethal force is then legal to use to end such a threat. people aren't stupid, if someone violates that then they go to jail, if reasonable fear of death is present, then "all parties accounted for" as the news says......it could be argued that the person with the self defense insurance was looking for a fight, he/she was the aggressor simply for having the insurance tells me that person anticipated and looked for a reason to use such force......still, a waste of money, its better to NOT have a self defense attorney, and if you get jammed up then hire a lawyer, what you guys are doing is pushing more gun control, it won't be long until states require it just like a car, so they can tax it and disarm more people, no insurance, no carry, just like a car.....its a scam its a racket, sooner or later EVERYONE will wake up to this fact.

[@noelburns4674]

AOR seems to think "shall not be infringed" does not matter. The founders would have supported machine guns and rockets owned by citizens....because they used cannons in the revolution that were owned by CITIZENS.

[@kimdearrington258]

There were absolutely no restrictions when the Second Amendment was written and even right after it was ratified, and no Local, State, or Federal Government can Constitutionally restrict, regulate, ban or tax any weaponry at all!

[@Franimus]

There were restrictions on carrying while drunk or proven to be a violent threat

[@MrShaun425]

The 2nd Amendment was never ratified because it was part of the Bill of Rights the Constitution was ratified so they added the Bill of Rights to the Constitution which falls under Article V of the Constitution.

[@Franimus]

@@MrShaun425 Irrelevant, you know she meant 1791.

[@FreedomKat]

I like Mark AND them as Lawyers!

[@MasterofNoneDIY]

Well, now I know that I will not be going with AOR. Left USCCA a long time ago.

[@brianclassen5221]

Well 💩?

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

Watch the video

[@boldie24]

The First Amendment does not have "shall not be infringed" in its text. What a tool.

[@warrenholmes7257]

Would you still believe that if tomorrow the Supreme Court said the Second Amendment means only the government can have guns? You need to learn to think better, all it would take is a different decision by the Supreme court and I bet you would no longer say it's absolute or even that you support it. Try to get outside your in the box thinking.

[@H20positive]

Aor new video is just noise .,.

[@chaosad9754]

The Second Amendment is absolute.

[@dustinshaw2419]

Look to me like there's an opening in the market for a new company!

[@michaelreamer-e4i]

seems to me both companies want the 2A fight to go on. we need to stop the gov. from going after people trying to protect them selves and others

[@eldonmontgomery2465]

a business owner always wants to expand the business.

[@OneLoveDesign]

💪🇺🇸💪

[@ryanburbridge]

I have yelled fire in a movie theater!!!! People just told me to shut up.

[@thenry524]

Cant wait to see you go through all the dropped clients of uscca in a video soon. We all saw you do paid spots for them. Or you planning are you just waiting for it all to calm down before you do more propaganda for the check?

[@chrish.5784]

I don't believe or trust any of those guys. The fact that they think guns should be regulated locally tells me they are way out of touch with gun laws in general. I don't think I want these shysters representing me. For the record I'm no fan of USCCA either.

[@dancrea9407]

AOR's response TLDR - Put you mask on. You are putting me in danger! My other post didn't make it. 😔 Thanks yT. How dare I try and comment in support of this channel.

[@bthemedia]

Great summary and WOW… AOR has some pretty cringe anti-2A views on the “permissions” HOAs can grant to you regarding your constitutionally-protected God-given “right” to self defense.

[@ZippydsmLee-freetube]

These fools want laws made of whim and arse. And yes you can yell fire in a crowded theater. The issue is if it causes real harm to people.

[@aaronnaylor59]

I don’t trust AOR or USCCA.