Auckland Clip 4: On Cain and Abel

My wife, Tammy, and I toured Australia and New Zealand in February. I was lecturing about the topics covered in my book, 12 Rules for Life (and also Maps of Meaning, my first book). I had a number of the lectures professionally filmed. This is a highlight from my lecture in Auckland on the meaning of the story of Cain and Abel.
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[@azed1685]

incapable of personal sacrifice to better his existence, he turns to murder then plays victim when punished ... oh how fitting the Bible is for today

[@charliejeans2413]

Cain was Satan seed, eve fuckt Satan then fuckt Adam. The 2 children.were born from different blood lines The COCK RULES are the first born male interets the kingdom. In the event of a bastards child in the house, well they are exiled, persecuted, and driven away by every action a human can muster against another. The stupid thing here is cain tries to emulate abel by making sacrifices to his brothers God./ grand father. He obviously did not know he was Satan son. Otherwise he would have known that all attempts to impress grandad/God, were never going to gain anything but condemnation and scorn. His reward ? Walk the earth forever marked on the face. Maybe Cain killed abel to punish God for treating him like a kunt all his life. Oh. And the part "the punishment is too great, anyone finding him will kill him" so who are these peoples that will find him and kill him ? Adam, eve, Cain, God, Satan and ?????. Peterson personal flavour interpreting this event as a dick head who didn't try enough is ridiculous. It's his adgenda study. And kindergarten at best.

[@VernonChitlen]

@@charliejeans2413 Cain was the first democrat.

[@Sailorjerry46]

@Charlie Jeans You have no source except your own imagination

[@rodgaskins]

@@charliejeans2413 I think your right about noticing a child and a bastard child hold different meanings in the telling of a story. A child is as close to godly as man can achieve yet a bastard child is a euphemism used to illustrate the consequence of choice and how disconnected consequence can be from the choice which was its' catalyst. Why do we even tell stories after all and why does prejudice exist in a story. Another reason we shouldn't expect to understand every situation to a degree in which we feel we can judge it. Sometimes you just can't see true understanding because of the complexity and therefore we can understand poor choice can lead to prejudice against someone making a good choice ex: getting stabbed by a jealous brother. What do we do to deserve the sacrifice we must make, well well sometimes our choice has nothing to do with it because it is the resulting consequence of the choice of another. Some of us have to climb unimaginable peaks and some of us just have to walk down a hill but the idea is both are equally blessed ;)

[@rodgaskins]

@@VernonChitlen does that mean Abraham was a republican? If not, then who might have been the first republican according to the logic of your analogy.

[@jordi9656]

After years and years it’s still so very enjoyable and refreshing to listen to you, dr. Peterson. Thanks for keeping putting out content!

[@e.aguilera4505]

I was talking to a friend about this story just yesterday. Even though she has a very negative view of religion, you could see an emotional reaction as if a part of her understood what the story was about. Thank you for delving into these stories and telling us about them.

[@david-spliso1928]

Nowhere does the Bible endorse slavery. A common misconception is that slaves in Israel were bought, sold or taken against their will. However, people who ended up "slaves" were more like indentured servants -- people who found themselves in a difficult situation and in return for food and board would work for a family or group until they were ready to leave under agreement. This was often the result of war, people destitute and cut off, in need of a stable situation rather than going their own way to probable increased hardship or starvation. In such servitude, masters were never to treat them harshly or there would be severe consequences. The relatively modern view of slavery we have derives from certain groups going to foreign lands deliberately to buy and/or remove people into forced slavery. This is very much at odds from Biblical slavery. Paul even calls himself a slave of Christ. This is because he willingly became an indentured servant to Jesus for the rest of his life.

[@david-spliso1928]

Except what I explained is supported by what the scriptures actually say, instead of just saying "the Bible supports slavery" and leaving it at that. It helps if you can explain your position in detail instead of assuming.

[@david-spliso1928]

You have to be able to show what you mean. It's easy to cop out and say that the Bible advocates slavery, implying it means the same thing as the African plantation slavery racket. Not good enough.

[@nanowasabi4421]

madwtube If you have to go to an orthodox rabbi in order to understand what the Bible means when it uses the word "slavery," you might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

[@david-spliso1928]

@madwtube And there's your true colours. Came out in the end. Smh.

[@BuckrBill]

I can listen to this man talk ...all day....thank you....peace I WISH ALL TEACHERS COULD BE CRITICAL THINKERS LIKE THIS MAN...

[@meerkat1954]

The education system is just turning out political correctness clones at the moment, unfortunately.

[@thermalsalt8379]

Your lectures seem to tell me things I’ve always known but have never been able to put into words. It’s almost as if everything you say has been dwelling in my peripheral vision, but I’ve never been able to bring it into full illumination until now. Thank you for all the great content you provide for free.

[@jamienichols6156]

Nooo! Really? For what? @noname

[@jamienichols6156]

Nvm I see. Get well soon, doctor.

[@kristinamickwitz3542]

@@jamienichols6156 metaphysicslv.blogspot.com/2011/12/putna-tels-debesis.html

[@Lynn92435]

Thermal Salt most underrated comment. I encounter this EXACT experience each time I listen.

[@amandaserena2007]

I feel the same way.

[@jamietodd2560]

There's something in us that feels ashamed if we see another person willing to make greater sacrifices. It calls out our cowardice and lets us know that we could be as good as Abel if only we had the strength of character to make the proper sacrifices. It's not that Abel is inherently good and Cain is inherently bad, but that Abel is willing to undergo sacrifice and good things come to him because of it. Some people are inspired by such paragons, while others feel ashamed. Cain cannot live with his own shortcomings in relation to his brother, so he kills Abel so he will not be a comparative failure. But then he loses the ideal by which he can properly orient himself toward success and is cursed, either by God or by his own actions. Edit - Another scenario is that we see people making sacrifices and being rewarded, and we might want the same rewards, but we do not have as much to sacrifice in the first place. Our circumstances prevent us from sacrificing, not our character; like being short of money to afford something you could use to make your life better. But this might be even worse, because now you see people being rewarded for sacrifices, and you feel envy at not having the same opportunity. So either you have the same opportunities and lack the will, or you have the will but lack the opportunities.

[@damianellis7144]

That's how I read it too. 6 times through the Bible, cover to cover, and it took JBP to see it properly.

[@jayjaychadoy9226]

So, it's more about the Cain in each of us?

[@IncredibleMet]

While I generally agree with what you have said, I would like to add that sacrifices don’t guarantee the rewards. It’s just your best bet. If you sacrifice with only the goal in mind, in some regards it is a worse sacrifice than one doing willingly and freely with the knowledge that the goal may or may not be achieved. The arbitrariness of life has to be accounted for in situations such as this one.

[@lzeph]

@This Guy Miko If you listen to Peterson's talks you'll see that he works very hard to eliminate divisive rhetoric. Abel's behavior perfectly summarizes a type of person that can be seen in any walk of life -- liberal, conservative and anywhere in between.

[@lzeph]

@no name Wow. I'd just ignore your comments because they're so inflammatory, but in case anyone else is following this thread: During the course of an intense and prolonged family crisis, Peterson was prescribed an anti-anxiety medication to which he became dependent. It's likely he was unaware of this dependency until he attempted to stop taking the medication and experienced withdrawal, at which point he checked himself into rehab. To need and ask for help when life's stresses become too much is not an indicator of 'failure'. It's utterly unreasonable to condemn the entire body of anyone's work on the basis of their personal struggles. To be clear: I'm not a big Peterson fan. I listen to him because I want to understand those who think differently than I do, and he explains things in a way that isn't insulting toward those who don't agree with him -- and yet those who don't agree with him are the ones in the comments section spewing vitriol instead of offering a reasonable counterpoint. If the above comment writer had offered specific examples of why s/he thinks Peterson creates divisive rhetoric, I might even have agreed with her/him, but we'll never know because I have no desire to discuss anything with anyone who resorts to character assassination rather than make any effort to reasonably express a difference of opinion.

[@Milestonemonger]

Cain and Abel is a simple short story with the most profoundly valuable message ever told.

[@mattisonhale6227]

I teach theology at a Catholic high school and let me say this is _precisely_ the meaning of the story that modern readers miss. Students are always feeling sorry for Cain, saying it's not fair (!) that his sacrifice wasn't accepted too. In other words, even innocent and relatively open and educated children have absorbed the spirit and philosophy of Cain. Let that sink in.

[@CForged]

I love Jordan’s story telling. His breakdown makes it so entertaining. The Holy Bible is very complex and he puts it in laymen’s terms so nicely

[@fantasypgatour]

Where's he getting all these extra details from though, having read the bible the story is incredibly brief and vague and does not imply or allude to much of what Jordan is saying here, is there a more detailed take on the story elsewhere that he is drawing from here?

[@eugenehernandez4868]

@@fantasypgatour how do you not see it ?

[@fantasypgatour]

@@eugenehernandez4868 Dude have you read Cain and Abel? It's a few sentences and doesn't say about 95% of the things Peterson has added in to it here.

[@eugenehernandez4868]

@@fantasypgatour 4 And Abel also brought an offering-fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. 6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?

[@eugenehernandez4868]

@@fantasypgatour It was the The point of Abel’s response, he got angry, that’s not going to help anyone. If somebody rejects you it can be a sign that you need to be doing something you are not doing now, could be learning something new, improve a skill, or changing the way you are doing something. Figuring out what that is will put you on the path to doing better, and experiencing less rejection in the future. Example if a boy approach a girl.. she rejects him.

[@BAdventures]

I was just thinking about your biblical lectures and then you posted this 😎👍

[@Clowis]

Duude I had a Dream where he was sitting next to me around a campfire with other people oddly enough (u kn how dreams are) when i turned my head to look at him we were at in an auditorium waiting for a conference to start & i think i shook his hand (happened last night so lool still a bit foggy)

[@kamif3187]

"when you destroy your ideal then you have nothing"

[@rodgaskins]

You always have God that's the entire message. Even when you feel you don't ;)

[@eeeman]

Cain destroyed his perception of what he knows is best, the structure of reality. He suffered because of it and was then lost, expelled like his parents but not so much literally but from his relationship with God and what is good until he would decide to humble himself which never happened unfortunately. That's an unbearable suffering.

[@rodgaskins]

@@eeeman I was shocked to see his change in perception especially after his encounter with God I really felt he would take away the lesson of being humble in the midst of great adversity for even in the most dire situations our father provides an unlimited wealth of joy and bountiful blessings if we open our eyes to see it. I was shocked to see his perception change to one of jealousy and strife I often think of struggle as an experience which fosters the growth of an exceptional character. The bible is full of examples from Pauls journey from violent persecutor to Apostle (talk about change in perspective/perception to Jesus who faced unimaginable adversity to find eternal presence next to God. The true character of a man is revealed in the midst of great adversity. I saw the overcoming of adversity as a gift from God as a building of ones character so I actually so greater value in the overcome adversity than that of the brother who seemed to face little adversity. So careful what perception we choose to accept as our character thrives upon it ;)

[@FlexBeanbag]

@@rodgaskins kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJ7GaoF8m82rbZY

[@oneofthosecreativetypes24]

Jordan Peterson has done more for me than my therapist of two years. I love her but one day I brought up JP and her reaction was she physical. She slightly leaned away from me and I could tell she was trying to control her facial muscles in order not to show her dislike for him. (I am aware of many therapist's intimidation/dislike of JP so I was purposely studying her reaction and she certainly validated it without her knowing I was studying her) I think therapists are threatened by JP but if they listened they could learn and help their patients even more.

[@oksanaml9279]

In what way has he done more than your therapist? I think you need a new therapist...

[@seattlesix9953]

Body language is often more telling...oppressing disdain can't be a good sign.

[@Lynn92435]

Oksana ML Yet, here you are.

[@geoffdundee]

Peace Love .....perhaps they really deep down dont want to help their patients as they would put themselves out of a job...........just like the medical pharmaceutical professions do .....meds for life and no cure........cure would mean zero meds

[@patriotic1526]

I appreciate the video and you, Dr. Peterson. God bless

[@p.a.f.mitasol8071]

Kia ora Dr Peterson 🖐🏽 I had the pleasure of meeting you albeit briefly at this event, don't leave it too long before we see you grace our shores again. 🇳🇿🤙🏾

[@kristinamickwitz3542]

metaphysicslv.blogspot.com/2011/12/putna-tels-debesis.html

[@immeasurate_nut]

Jordon is my beacon of hope. I owe so much to him.

[@DirkusTurkess]

"I ain't you're buddy, guy." Cain said to God.

[@DtheEvil]

"I ain't your pal, bucko." Cain said to God.

[@crabtrap]

Cain farts in Able's face.

[@vishvnaik2756]

New season starts September. Can’t wait.

[@alexnk49]

This thread. Love it. T&P

[@alexnk49]

I just realized the acronym is TP... lmao toilet paper. Ight imma head out.

[@Anatol_SG]

This is so so eye-opening!!! Never thought of this interpretation of the story. Thank you Dr Peterson!!

[@pinasandu9064]

One can notice that this Man transcended, in the last few years, from his usual status of clinician/professor, to a higher dimension, that of a Teacher, a Master, both spiritually and physically. Praise be to God who revealed him to the world!

[@albrtl]

My soul shuttered when I heard this: "When you work, by definition, you're doing things that you'd rather not do right now, 'cause otherwise it wouldn't be work, and the reason you're doing that is because you think: If I give up what I really want to do impulsively right now, over the medium or long term, things will be better." When I clicked the timeline searching for it, "sacrifice" was the first word I landed on, 4-6 times until finding the audio I was searching for. I'm unsure what this means because it says so much, however it's certainly significant somewhere. I deeply wish I could speak with Jordan. The fact I can omit this desire bothers me, out of concern for the world we create.

[@albrtl]

@WHOSE TRUth Taking with a pinch of salt is to view something with skepticism. If choosing to interpret with skepticism, you're also comparatively processing the obverse; the "literal" interpretation or view. If we understand the mind is processing as both, the "grain of salt" idiom becomes (in my mind) the most polite phrase of all time, instructing people how to think. It's an awkward reminder to interpret information in ways our brain couldn't. If I may offer an alternative, perhaps for the individuals interpreting "you think too much" as "you breath too much." **Addendum: It's obvious this isn't what you're putting forth, even unintentionally. Embrace information and experiences as interpreted, for what they are in the moment, as interpreted in the present. Hold people accountable for the way they've empowered you. If you can do this inside your head, the same empowerment will radiate from the heart, in a way that makes traditional acknowledgement appear like odd behavior. However, traditional acknowledgement has importance, and you'll always know when the opportunity beckons. Toodles, bitches.

[@andresgajardo9273]

There is something artistically beautiful about Jordan's interpretations of the Bible

[@kurtv1412]

If you like what you're hearing, google Joseph Campbell. Jordan is essentially reading into metaphor, allegory, something Campbell mastered.

[@carolineh.6623]

@Jack Clare he doesn't claim to have it right and says he strugges... i would beware of anyone who thinks THEY have it right

[@Hannahcode1]

You can't please God without faith. We cannot deny the proofs we were given. "the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord"

[@Bramandin]

What are you doing mate? Being a dogmatic preacher in YT comment section?

[@Hannahcode1]

@@Bramandin You think that's preaching? It was merely my opinion in the comment section just as you voiced your opinion about my comment.

[@rodgaskins]

I agree the Cain and Abel story certainly addresses faith and when I read through it's one of the biggest feelings I had when Cain choose to not have faith. I was shocked especially after realizing all the struggle he had overcome I felt like if he could have just hung on his eyes would have opened to the light after all struggle is not so bad when you have faith to overcome it. I strongly disagree with your interpretation of fearing the Lord though, if you mean literally fear. You have to take this verse carefully within it's context. Certainly if you are in the act of sinning then you might say "fear the Lord" but you might more literally say "if you sin the Lord has created a world where choice has consequence and sinning will bring about bad consequences. I think throughout the bible you will find overwhelming evidence there is no fear we should hold least of all for the Lord. I think fear is commonly misunderstood when it comes to perceiving our relationship with God. Doom and Gloomers perpetuate fear as a sociopathic construct because it produces results. Just as spanking might work in disciplining your children. Unfortunately things don't need to just work they need to work in the right way. So don't fear the lord consider God doesn't want you to choose sin after all he warned Adam about the tree and like some pussy cat eve has to go digging around for snakes and such out of curiosity. I guess at least guys don't have to bear children. (just kidding Eve I'm sure I'd love you too) ;)

[@Hannahcode1]

@@rodgaskins - It has been my understanding that to 'fear' the Lord is not to tremble in your boots, rather to 'respect' Him and His judgments and power. Although i am sure there will be those that will tremble because the Lord says we are not without excuse, that in us all He has put the knowledge of truth. - Peace friend.

[@Hannahcode1]

@@rodgaskins - It has been my understanding that to 'fear' the Lord is not to tremble in your boots, but rather to respect and revere His judgments and great power. Although there will be those that tremble because He says no man is with excuse because the truth has been put in all men to know Him within. Peace friend.

[@kevinruiz2131]

Jordan honestly I'm glad I came across your videos you have changed my perspective on life thanks for the inspiring words.😀

[@autumnleaves2766]

I will never tire of listening to Dr Jordan Peterson and I loved the two 12 Rules For Life books, they have helped me a great deal. Looking forward to "We Who Wrestle With God" which is due out in November. Hope to get round to "Maps Of Meaning" at some point too. Thanks for all you do, Dr Peterson.

[@thehuntingscotsman6169]

Mind. Blown. 😮 Thank you so much for this talk, Dr. Peterson. 👍

[@drakehonest679]

I love this guys literature analysis skills!

[@recedinghairline258]

I love the seriousness and the dark turn of “there are much worse places you can go to than purely homicidal.” Then the fairly joyful “anyway...”

[@janelewis3336]

I very much appreciate your work, Dr Peterson, thank you

[@Jwaltonp]

That is so deep...so much of what was said I unknowingly identify and think about from time to time...

[@hapwn]

Doing things out of the goodness of your heart; just random acts of kindness. Because it's the thought that counts! And no matter how rewarding it may feel... always humble yourself before God! 😇❤️🙏

[@Pamelaandjoulepii]

hapwn 🙏🏽✌🏻🌷👍

[@michaelwaters511]

Love seeing a new Peterson video

[@butterflypinky12345]

Cain and Able is definitely my favorite biblical story. It's perfection.

[@barbbeulah7139]

We love your wisdom jordan Peterson, be blessed, with love from New Zealand 💜💯

[@theabeasty]

I truly love the way Jordan Peterson analyzes these Biblical stories. It is one of the main reasons I will begin to reread the Bible.

[@goran586]

" ... you have to look at the motivations that will turn human beings against being itself." That was the last words of this clip. Here JBP is pointing at the core of the »Human Condition«. What is it that lies behind that »motivation«? That's worth pondering.

[@wattikins]

This is such a powerful story.

[@julesmpc1314]

The series of these classes is awsome

[@saulgoodman3620]

I currently have to study for a very demanding, very exasperating, very boring exam. Thank you, you helped me very much!

[@floppymcgee2490]

Thanks Jordan!

[@janelewis3336]

this is a comment on these Playlists of JBP's lectures. THANK YOU --- SO MUCH EASIER TO FIND THE INFORMATION. I will be able to watch more (thank you KZbin, also)

[@jessegrivois7717]

Jordans words are truly the words of reason. He's great with articulate interpretations of stories that however ancient the story may be, can be applied to daily life. A true psychologist

[@Rehistoriaa]

Oww, peterson is unique. Nobody could beat him in these themes

[@horsestomper3183]

Dr Peterson. I bought 4 of your books. Thank you for what you do.

[@razorhead1985]

That's a lot of expensive toilet paper you have there. ;)

[@whalesnamedshark]

I hope everything this man says and thinks is written down. He is our Plato

[@michaelpowell3217]

This reminds alot of ingroup and outgroup behaviour. As Abel is doing so well, outgroup behaviour dictates that that is due to external factors and in this case God is the reason everything is working out for Abel. Meanwhile, Cain is his own ingroup and believes he is working harder and more deserving of the rewards.

[@skimmer521]

I Love this man...

[@nikogivas6393]

Damn. I am grateful for these heavy meditations.

[@jeremycastro9700]

Jordan...as a man you're a light in my world and I believe in that other men in the darkness....and I thank God and Christ for blessing you with the light that you carry in the world and sharing it with us...it's helped me to not lose my light to the gaping void of the world.

[@osse1n]

CAIN - never let your rage cloud your judgement to the point you lose yourself to the "devil"

[@stephenmason5682]

Our life on this planet favours those who are nearer to the devil, than God! God just wants you to meekly accept your lot in life!

[@Margaret709]

Rage is of the devil; it is not righteous anger. If you have rage, you are already ‘lost’. A spiritually advanced person would ask you what the primary spark for your rage was, are you able to honestly identify that? When you start to react again - can you recognize that spark? Can you be self aware enough to halt the spark at that moment? In this way you would take control of your destructive impulses, or, another way to think of it is that you are not allowing the devil to control you.

[@AndreQueirozLS]

Just now read another comment of yours on Nathaniel Drew

[@jussim.konttinen4981]

@not me I've always thought it's about cannibalism. Kill or be killed. Killing a pregnant woman was kind of reasonable before the CSI era, unless you want the child to take revenge on your spin-off tribe.

[@popmur7089]

@@stephenmason5682 Depends on what you value.

[@64kdawg]

Another timely video fron the good Dr.

[@TheCreativeintelligence]

waveform update=success Jordan Peterson

[@graemehuia5964]

So interesting explains alot about ourselves and how we live.

[@noelruiz3526]

I’m Cain in this story. I broke the law so many times but my brother who was my ideal never gave up on me. I’m forever indebted to my brother. We both grew up without my parents. I always hated my parents for abandoning me. But I now realized that they gave me the best gift ever. My brother. I love you Sam❤️. One day I’ll repay you. I am jealous of my brother sometimes but that’s just human nature. I love my brother. I love Sam ❤️. Thanks Mr. Peterson.

[@ilovevideogamesagain2173]

The more I evolve into being disagreeable, the better I am becoming at resolving conflicts and getting what I want...the more I learn who my monster is the less angry I am in situations which were otherwise frustrating... I decided to tame one of the dragons and let the other one inside to coexist....Thank you Dr. Peterson

[@SamsungA-hs7tz]

God will be pleased with Jordan Peterson.

[@gustavosalles5733]

Istead of changing himself, Cain thought that if the issue that was bothering him could disapear he may not has to change. He got the easy path

[@beauc.diamond7410]

well said!

[@charliejeans2413]

Eve fuckt Satan, then fucked Adam. She bore 2 children I, Adam seed, 1 Satan seed. There are 2 seeds on the earth. Which ones which ? Is it cains fault he's Satan seed? Did god make provisions for Cain? I can understand the big picture. Cain shouldn't have allowed his anger to get the better of him that is.His sin. The biggest mistake he made was comparing himself to abel and trying to elisct the affection of god. He was marked before he was born, he was never going to be equal to abel. And what of female eve ? Two children in Adams house, working by the sweet of his brow, and 1 is not his wow does that sound like what's going even today ? Maybe Satan should accept responsibility for his illigitame son and stop being the bum expecting others to raise his children. The kindergarten veiws of what responsibility we should accept is well. Immitutre.

[@InvestmentsRUs]

wow; a very clear genius explanation of what have happened to the core of the problem. Its actually an exact diagnosis of majority of humans thoughts sickness. Is it really illustrate the fact that we all must have sacrifices in one way or another to be happy?

[@MZ3Pappy]

Powerful!

[@harshithas1318]

i wanna study the bible with dr. peterson. so much to learn

[@jonnywohlman621]

Hi Jordan, your teaching and insights are brilliant. I am currently in a situation where I struggle to decide whether to pursue my creative ambition in music and film. After watching your videos, I'm further conflicted. On one hand, you spoke of the dangers of creative pursuit, and how success thereby is like winning a lottery. However you also spoke of the dangers of not listening to the inner 'calling' that takes you to 'the land that it will show you'. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.

[@ChrisParlett]

Entering the room at 5:55 is perfect for an out of context JP quote.

[@popmur7089]

HE LITERALLY THINKS HE'S GOD GETTING FUCKED BY A CAT 🙀, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! NAZI PERVERT. Now I'm off to punch an old white woman because why not?

[@1BLiViON1]

Whilst I always enjoy JBP's analysis of the Cain and Abel story, I wish very much that he would work to develop his theological understanding, and demonstrate so by giving lectures on other stories of the Bible. Reason being, as I see it, is that he does a very good job of explaining the symbolism within these stories, only he analyses it in isolation to the rest of Biblical Scripture, which limits the depth to which his understanding could reach.

[@Margaret709]

Joe Van we all have different gifts, this is his. Eugene Pentiuc: Jesus the Messiah in the Hebrew Old Testament prolly is what you are looking for...

[@1BLiViON1]

@@Margaret709 What do you mean by the last statement?

[@horsestomper3183]

Wonderful lecture

[@SnacksLP]

Funnily enough this reminded me of a book I've read. It strongly gave me the impression that they (antagonists) would fear to look backwards as it would result in them having to acknowledge that their current selves could only be blamed on themselves, but also that they would slither forward like a snake or cockroach using any machination, manipulation or trickery regardless of consequences as long as it would fit them right now. In that story any person that did things right would be hated for it because it either countered their machinations or would simply expose them and yet they would shame and manipulate that person into supporting their machinations. When problems came all they did is deflect. Atlas Shrugged was quite like taking your 1st few beers in life, completely new perspectives.

[@austinlittle1664]

Half-hearted sacrifices has put me in a hole so deep, I'm honestly not sure if I can crawl out of it. Always hated cynics, which is... rather cynical. I guess to understand hopelessness one must experience it.

[@farshadmn4273]

thank you 💯

[@Franaflyby]

I do believe what makes this speaker so successful is the fact that allot of his teachings are Bible based. God's wisdom is the best wisdom one could ever find and live by. It's worth more than rubies or diamonds according to scripture.

[@LittleBox87]

4 clips is enough, we now need a full length upload sir :)

[@alexnk49]

He has an entire biblical lecture. Fucking phenomenal. He’s reading the verses on stage.

[@Gunnberg85]

I missed him when he was in Philadelphia. Hopefully he'll have the endurance to come back someday.

[@jacquescarrier9713]

537/5000 Each word carefully chosen, with an extreme clarity of consciousness and intelligence this man is not the savior of the 21st century, but we have the chance to witness a gift of a human being (Dr.Peterson) that we must listen to and share his more than relevant analyzes. Each word carefully chooses a paragraph of our lives, and to understand our own lives, we must analyze it word by word, paragraph by paragraph ... we are united in ourselves, among ourselves ... Thank you J.Peterson from Quebec, Canada

[@joshnic6639]

DR. Peterson, I really wish you would go back to doing the biblical lectures. I know originally you said that you wanted to get through the whole bible eventually, but only going through the Old Testament would be amazing! Thanks!

[@aakkoin]

amazing speech in 12 minutes, belongs in the Guinness book of great speeches

[@hapwn]

*FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WATCH ANIME :3* Check out "In the Beginning: The Bible Story (Tezuka Osamu no Kyuuyaku Seisho Monogatari: In the Beginning)." It's the anime version of Cain and Able. Your welcome! UwU

[@noleftturnz]

That's interesting... Through the Italian National Broadcasting Network, Tezuka Osamu received an ardent request from the Vatican to make the Bible into animated form. Lol who would of thought... that's awesome! Idk how I feel about the Vatican but still...

[@hapwn]

@@noleftturnz I didn't know that. I also didn't know there were 26 ep... I only saw 6! -Found a torrent though- *You can watch all 26 episodes on YT!* *>:3* Yeah I'm not too fond of the Vatican either, but I digress. I wasn't too surprised though that they make such a request, if you think about it..as unholy as anime is! 😇

[@Natsukiiiiiiiiii490]

Thank you! I'll be sure to check it out

[@DonDemetrius]

Nice one brother! Thank you! :)

[@hapwn]

@@DonDemetrius no need for thank me. Just hit that like button lol and help spread the word! 😇🙏

[@kw5465]

I love when Dr Peterson discusses the Bible

[@isaaccastillo8628]

It's just amazing

[@lindseygreer5814]

I've just seen this for the first time...all I can say is that I am disappointed in myself...I've read this scripture so many times...and what Jordan Peterson is saying is so obvious...but I have never honestly applied this scripture on a daily basis to myself...thank you sir...thank you for all your efforts...and may the lord bless you and your family and all your endeavors.

[@matjohnsilver7316]

I like him ... A lot.might have to read that book.

[@andresamonteiro4750]

Fantastic!!!!👏👏👏👏

[@Lynn92435]

You are hands down the most intelligent, well spoken human being I’ve ever listened to. Thank you for all that you do.

[@Pamelaandjoulepii]

It’s better not to compare what you have to what others have ... work for , earn and appreciate what you have . We only need so much 🙏🏽✌🏻🌎

[@TheAvatar3055]

Unless you are Bernie Sanders or Obama. Then you need at least three mansions.

[@paulhogan8958]

Truth! When we compare what we have versus what others have, it's inevitable that we'll end up consumed by jealousy.

[@oneofthosecreativetypes24]

I have a lot of jealousy I need to deal with. I have a good life and constantly compare it to others'. I need to work on this but I don't know how. I just pray. I may wake up in the morning and first thing make a list of all the things I'm grateful for. Maybe my mindset needs to change and nothing else.

[@Altair1904]

I love this guy

[@lightfighter3023]

So good. My understanding: Abel represents the need for shed blood for atonement, and ultimately = Grace, while Cain represents all the sweat of keeping The Law, and the insufficiency of performance based righteousness. There's also a tie to the idea of the Second Son. Cain, representing the Law, came first but the Second Son Abel, representing Grace, was favored. The model: Adam the first created son, and Jesus, the Second begotten son, whose atoning sacrifice, was patterned in Abel.

[@I_Lemaire]

!!! So good! I love the Second Son connection!

[@optimusprime3484]

ALL of the stories of the Bible point to our need for a Savior and the fact that man cannot save himself. I like the parallels you pulled out of Cane and Able though, never thought of it that way.

[@serpotter]

There are definitive proto-evangelium overtones in the narrative, as there were before in chapter 3 Without the advantage of hindsight tho, the fact still remains, that one was sacrificing better by obedience to prescription (explicit or implicit remains untold) and the psychological effect of that less than perfect adherence to the Holy prescription (Word) from Cain remains as self destructive as implied by Dr Peterson. As Agustin said, there is a desire for nothingness/darkness to go back to non existence after the connection to life/light is severed

[@lukegarrett2598]

Fantastic video

[@AnnaRolo]

Hey Jordan. I saw the video your daughter posted about your wife and you having a difficult time with the medication you where on and so I thought.. well since you have shown quite the interest in the Biblical view, and you have some interesting insight and conclusions on this btw, then I just want to tell you about two books that I think are fantastic, and that share the tragic sort of worldview that you cant miss if you have suffered some (I know too well about this). So, I am taking my time and writing to you from Norway. Not really sure if you will ever read this, but here we go. There are two books that came to mind. The one is C.S. Lewis «The problem of Pain» and the other is David Wilkerson «Have you felt like giving up lately». And the second is my personal favorite. Anyways. I hope you feel better soon, and keep sharing your awesome mind and perspective with the rest of us.

[@ryandavies1661]

I think that the names are not a coincidence. Abel = Able. He gets to reap the rewards of his actions. Cain; I think of a cane which a cripple uses to get around. His sacrifices don’t work. Being disabled tends to make you resentful. Maybe his brother who is Abel should have sought to help his brother out more. Then they both could have been able, and he wouldn’t have got killed. The roles might have even have ended up switching around and Cain might’ve ended up helping his brother. I believe that that idea is somewhere in there.

[@muhammadawais7961]

What a marvelous saga, still relatable in many forms.

[@gadphatha]

Preach ! Prophet Jordan

[@kanedalo2822]

The perverted cat analogy helped me to stop watching porn. 8 months or so now. Thanks lol

[@I_Lemaire]

Great job, Kaneda and praise God for giving you the faith and spirit for living positively in the world.

[@victorkaique3322]

Disponibiliza legendas em português, por favor. Gosto de acompanhar!

[@wilhobbs207]

Anyone consider that Cain And Able are one person and the story is about inner conflict and wasted potential?

[@realexkav]

Donald Kaufman probably

[@bluedogguy]

It's interesting that it could be one person. You could change the story to mean metaphorically to be about a person, and the duality inside of all of us. But my Bible says it's about two people and uses it for a teaching tool that spans thousands of years, so - yeah, I'm going to go ahead and believe it's about brothers.

[@AdamSpade]

Chris Christian there are clear metaphors there that one could make sense of it as inner conflict, which explains why psychologists take interest in them and interpret them that way, but I don’t think anyone could say in all humility that they are clearly man made fables. Most Theologians believe these stories actually happened and they are recorded for our understanding, and that there are many levels of God’s Word to understand. The challenge is to understand them correctly, and that can only be done through humility.

[@rodgaskins]

Just did now that you mentioned it. Don't think it really changes the moral of the story other than our choices lead to our OWN demise which pretty much is already laid out in the story despite someone else dying along with you. I'm seeing double now, what if there were 4 people? good/bad Cain, good/bad Able? ;)

[@matjohnsilver7316]

I like that idea ....it's workable.

[@user-jb8td1os7v]

Love you from korea!!! Its always been honor seeing your lecture. Sorry about my bad english still learning 😂😂😅

[@eizuchukwu8989]

Please am coming to your country hope to meet you

[@eizuchukwu8989]

You can add me on WhatsApp [phone]

[@eizuchukwu8989]

Thanks

[@user-vq6cb3wh8f]

Get well soon, Jordan! 😔😔

[@skeetys81]

You can tell this man is a genius, he has that social awkwardness while saying the truth.

[@knugenavswarje734]

Socially awkward and talking bullshit masterrace reporting in.

[@nanayawberko3212]

You are a stereotyping scrub

[@nanayawberko3212]

@no namecheck your bias my friend

[@skeetys81]

someone who does as many interviews as he does deserves to relax in rehab. He needs it to recharge. Not to mention how many speeches he does.

[@skeetys81]

@no name You better believe a smart man goes to rehab for help when his wife is diagnosed terminally ill.. "Jordan Peterson enters rehab after wife’s cancer diagnosis"

[@NinjaDeathtrap]

add to favourites...

[@JessicaZane4realz]

Cain was willing and able. I don't even know if that makes sense, that's just the first thing that popped into my head.

[@michael33145]

Dog apple i posted this cuz its the first thing that popped into my head

[@James.E41]

We probably need less humans posting the first thing that comes into their heads.

[@newman123686]

it actually does make sense. it's easy to find something introspective about your statement. Cain was willing and able, in the sense where he could have made a sacrifice like able. And in essence Cain would have been able (like able).

[@user-vw6xp5nl6t]

This was the first thing that pooped into my head. If that makes cents.

[@theronash7269]

In reality Cain was able, as we all are, but he didn't believe he was, therefore he was unwilling and ultimately unable.

[@johnoneill7947]

Jordan is the greatest comedian of our time.

[@thelonewolf848]

I love him.

[@stanbelyshev]

WISDOM! 😎

[@thedreadpiratewesley2301]

Dude... Can I find the full version anywhere ? I need to know where he was going with the "fighting against being" part

[@theWazimu]

Dear Mr. Peterson. I've been watching your videos for about 2 years now. I used to do drugs and smoke weed since i were 13 years old. im 27 now and quit the drugs and weed about a year ago now. I started making my bed every morning, keeping my room clean, i applied for an education and still working - yet i still feel like my days are even harder than they were a year ago, everybody around keeps telling me they feel better etc etc.... i dont feel any of that, i feel how exhausted i am from trying to be normal again. I have been going to different psykologists and rehab centers after my actual rehab to find some answers to WHY i don't feel normal. I feel so behind in everything, i'm afraid of expressing myself as a clean guy now, since alot of people don't like my past. It's honestly a terrible feeling to feel so alone in this world, it's tireing to to not understand anything anymore - are there anyway to write you a personal letter that would actually get through to you Mr. Peterson? Dearest regards Alexander R

[@RTCLR123]

Similar situation here bro. Try this: Joe Dispenza on ytb/meditation Make bone broth(12+ hours of cooking) and fix your gut One thing i am planing to do, go away and find better people than yourself, never let yourself to stuck, if you do, get up and do ANYTHING Try running in the bad weather, rain and also cold showers(brut force cold) and wake up your hormones(Wim Hoff). Good luck

[@theWazimu]

@@RTCLR123 Thanks alot for the advice Mile - i'm gonna try that the first thing in the morning. I appreciate you, thanks man!

[@leoj7790]

Don't give up. Change will come gradually. Perhaps you won't notice it at first, but others will. You've spent 14 years moving in one direction, it's going to take time to navigate back. It's normal to feel like you're effort is futile. It is not. Use that dissatisfaction as fuel to stay motivated in that path. Life is hard for many people these days. Don't give up or in Jesus' words, "Be of good courage"

[@meccamiles7816]

“Abel is perfectly goddamn delightful.” Savage

[@tonyausten2168]

To me God almighty allowing Abel to be killed is the most fascinating part. And Cain being alive, surviving God's wrath is also equally fascinating and amazing. Astonishingly, it dawns on me that maybe God was so pleased with Abel that he declared him a graduate, and ascended to heaven prematurely. Cain has to do his homework, and purify himself with the help God before he also ascends.