Audi Q7 TDI Malone Tune Stage II Review

This is my review of the Malone Stage II tune.
I talked about the inside sound of the cabin with the delete kit.
Normal and fast acceleration in drive and in sport mode.
And talk about the MPG
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[@MrJohnv8386]

Thank you thank you for doing this video I'm giving you a thumbs up and a comment before I even watch it bump

[@markb6s4]

Thanks !

[@klinesgarage2551]

With a stock 2014 Touareg TDI at 156k miles I get 32-34MPG at 60-65MPH in warm weather. If I speed up to 75-80MPH it drops to 27-28MPG. A slight change in throttle position makes a HUGE difference in fuel economy. Cruise control drops my fuel economy by several MPG as it can't plan ahead for hills or changing traffic conditions. Has anyone else noticed this?

[@rumi409]

Great video! Love the step by step testing. Does this tune and DPF delete pass emission inspection?

[@markb6s4]

Thank you. To be honest I don't know. And i did that bc I live where there is no emission required.

[@CLJ-94]

hi Thanks for the great video. im considering doing the exact route you did to your Q7. If u wont mind i have a few questions, after the delete did you notice any bad exhaust smell as compared to post fix. and also on does the stage 2 malone tune remove the rpm limiter, currently after the fix my rpms wont go to 3k rpm. i saw in your video its approaching 4k rpms.

[@markb6s4]

Your welcome! For the exhaust smell it doesn't smell bad, my personal opinion. As for the rev limiter in haven't notice that it stops me at 3k. And I have been over 3k a few times.

[@MrJohnv8386]

Can you do a outside of the car sound so we know what it sounds like outside also when you did the acceleration example from 30 until you let off when you did it in drive your miles per gallon went down to 5.5 when you were flooring it which is exactly what mine does but when you floored it in sport mode it only went down to 11 point something were you flooring it or has the air to fuel ratio changed that much with the tune?

[@markb6s4]

Yup, that will be in the works when I get the time. I'll talk about the whole exhaust system and sound. good eye, i actually didn't even notice that til you mentioned that. Yes i was flooring it on both modes. And as to why they where different i honestly do not have an answer to that. The power is still the same for both. All that changes is the response and as to when the gears should change on normal driving.

[@CateraMV6]

on my TDI, I have the gear suppression turned off so that it shows the actual gear its in instead of just "D" or "S", it shows D5 lets say in 5th gear, or S7 in 7th gear. Super easy to do with Carista or VAGCOM.

[@markb6s4]

That is a nice feature. I'll look into that

[@davidgutillo5995]

Hey Mark do you have any experience with the P20A5 and P204B codes? Getting them on my TDI and my AdBlue fill warning is not clearing.

[@markb6s4]

Unfortunately I don't. When I purchased the car I had it for about 5 months before the emissions got deleted. During that time inside not get any CEL. But I did get the glowplug light, but that went away after shutting the car off and then turning it on. And since the tune i have not had any problems at all

[@kalboJeff]

Can you post a link where you bought your exhaust setup?

[@markb6s4]

All info is in the discrption of this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4namHVvlKyDd6M

[@paladin3116]

whats your average mpg driving in town and has this car been reliable for you? Im thinking of getting a tdi touareg or tdi cayenne and it has the same 3.0 tdi engine as this

[@markb6s4]

On freeways i get around 26-28mpg...but thats me driving 80+mph on flat roads. As for in town don't have an answer for you since I drive the car mostly always on freeways

[@123rlewis]

I just purchased the same set up as yours. Did you remove your EGR? If not the tune turns the EGR off correct?

[@markb6s4]

You are correct it turns it off. I personally didn’t remove it. I just left it in there just in case if i ever have to go back to stock it’s already there

[@bonjoeyt3]

Thx for the update! Are you having slugish trans shifting when it is still cold? I hear a lot of those post-emission-fix My q7 is still under emission warranty, just had 4 injectors replaced 5 months ago then another one just showed contribution code, hoping the last one shows up too so audi can replace the last 2 old injectors!

[@markb6s4]

not a whole lot. all i know that when i drive the q7 in "s" mode the shifting feels more responsive then when i drive it in "d" mode

[@mickeyol]

Hey Mark, you should post your Audi Vids on the Audi World Forum. Great Info! Cheers, Mick

[@markb6s4]

Thanks. I have audizine and I haven't been doing a good job posting there. Haha.

[@mickeyol]

@@markb6s4 Hi Mark, so how is the Q7 since you completed the MOD's? More power and better fuel economy?

[@mickeyol]

Hi Professor Mark, after 2 years. How happy are you with the Malone Tune 2 and the Rawtek exhaust? Power, Fuel Consumption and Reliability. 🙄

[@markb6s4]

I'm happy with the results. No CEL as of yet. I'm still doing my regular maintenance. Fuel cinsumption still is the same with the way i drive . Eventually, I'd like to go and actually delete the egr and the flap, but at a later time

[@CateraMV6]

Not long ago but in summer like temps, I did a trip from Detroit to Northern Michigan and back and managed to get 749mi on one tank, I beleive it had used 24gal, which is around 31mpg, I was expecting to see a big jump maybe 4-5mpg improvement with all emissions deleted, I guess they dont really hinder performance as much as we think they do.

[@markb6s4]

It's no rocket ship but I do feel a small boost in performance

[@Locomotive2000]

In Texas how do they test SMOG? do they just read the ECU or actually stick a test in to exhaust pipe. I am curious if it is possible to do this and pass these tests

[@markb6s4]

That I wouldn't be able to tell you because where I live in texas i don't have to take a smog test. All i have to do is the yearly inspection

[@96SupraTT]

Texas [all of it] doesn't do emissions testing for diesels. $7 inspection.

[@justascott]

Please make a video of your muffler set up in place of suitcase

[@markb6s4]

It's in the works!

[@JoseRodrigues-ox2lr]

Did you do a physical EGR delete? Or does the tune remap it to delete it.

[@markb6s4]

I did not remove the EGR. Just like you said the tune just deletes it

[@MrJohnv8386]

I apologize for asking for so much I'm very interested in purchasing all of this but it's a lot of money for me that's the reason I would like to see all the details if possible I just thank you for your attention to detail

[@markb6s4]

No need to be sorry for asking questions :) happy to help out

[@btemple1204]

Great review... do you have any exhaust smells w/o the Cat? Deleted my cat on an old turbo car and could not stand the exhaust smell in the cabin.

[@markb6s4]

I don't get any smells from inside the cabin. For me i don't notice a smell with my set up and i am not bothered by it at all. Can't remember what it smelled like before i did the delete kit

[@RedRoseClothingCo]

You have yourself an exhaust leak my friend, fumes are leaking from your exhaust and being sucked in by your air vents

[@96SupraTT]

Also! You need to remove those 2 plastic intake pipes directly after your throttle body where the EGR sh#ts (or used to). Easy to remove. Why? Mine and most others (on Rennlist) were packed with black soot blocking the air flow. As in 1/2 inch around the entire diameter! I've never seen anything like it. It's most likely the same in the upper intake manifold, but I read that's a super PITA to remove. Instead, I hooked up a shop vac (with a custom small diameter hose attachment) and gently ran a flexible cable 12ga shotgun bore brush and the hose through the openings which was very productive. I need a borescope and revisit. FWIW, I have 84k miles vs your 44k. The stock EGR setup on these V6 diesels is a disaster. Let me know if you want to see pics or further info.

[@markb6s4]

Yes please. This is something I would like to do in the near future to clean all that stuff out. If you have a Instagram message me those pics if you don't mind @mark_b6s4

[@yaemish]

Could you please post those somewhere? I'm also interested.

[@juanmora7614]

Same send me pics

[@sebastienlaquerre4031]

What about the reliability after the tune?

[@markb6s4]

The tune it self is amazing. I have not had any problems with the tune since install. Haven't had any CEL so far

[@96SupraTT]

Great videos. I watched all 4. Too bad these weren't here when I did the Malone stage 2 and DPF delete on my 2013 Cayenne Diesel 2 years ago. LOL. My notes: I get smoke on any accel beyond gentle. Rolling nut coal, not quite cummins coal. Only sucks because it leaves a greasy black film across the entire WHITE ass end that needs soap to remove. Quick detailer just smears it. I still have the stock cat and muffler. My Rawtek pipe looks different and doesn't include any muffler. FwIW, my shifting appears considerably more sporty and precise than your Q7. I bagged all the sensors in heavy black Dollar store balloons and zip tied them closed. I'm considering the catless DP, but Malone told me the stock one isn't very restrictive and is almost see-through. I wouldn't know. Is it? Overall, love this vehicle, the tune, and the DPF delete. The black ass end is the only [slight] annoyance.

[@markb6s4]

You'll want to maximize airflow as much as possible. I recommend deleting the cats. Maybe Porsche has their own tune on the transmission maybe it's why its more sporty then the Audi/VW version. I personally don't know

[@allendabold5611]

was there much change in your fuel mileage

[@markb6s4]

when driving conservative i get around 29-32 mpg. but when i drive it a little hard im getting around 23-25 mpg. this is all with the tune. before the tune i wo9uld get 22-24 mpg when driving conservative

[@AURoostr]

Nice review. I'd suggest doing a hand calculation for MPG vs the MMI display. On my Q7, they are pretty close. But, others have seen a significant difference.

[@markb6s4]

Thanks. Next time I do a long drive like that I'll for sure do a hand calculation. Fill up and go on the drive and the next fuel up I'll see how many miles i drive and how many thanks of fuel it took to refill again. And do some division

[@bonjoeyt3]

@@markb6s4 and you can change that using vcds or obd11 on the inst panel to be more precise Last month I drove 2000mile, average 23.5mpg, best was 27mpg, hand calculated emission still installed, very impressed with the fuel mileage and weight of this thing!

[@rolivares507]

Well my Vw Touareg Tdi on from Denver to Texas I was getting 700 mpg and I don’t have the tuning

[@markb6s4]

700mpg is really good!

[@Rexbraiku]

@@markb6s4 thats why i love texas

[@ChristopherGuilday]

Strange that you did a 30 MPH roll and it shifted at a higher RPM in D mode than it did in S mode.

[@markb6s4]

I haven't done too much research on it yet. But there is a tune for just the transmission. And it fixes that problem that i have read that a lot of people don't like that it does that

[@Bastille1918]

Driving in Mexico 🇲🇽 😂 yeah, I’m so sure!

[@valerislavov7280]

what’s the 0-60

[@markb6s4]

Haven't done a 0-60 time yet, the last few months have been busy with other stuff as to where I haven't had time to give the Q7 a lot of time

[@NemanjaGuitar]

How's the smell? Thanks

[@markb6s4]

Personally for me. I don't smell anything inside the car. But when behind the car it smells like any other diesel that has emissions removed, but for me the smell doesn't bother me

[@driller524]

So is the tune just for the dpf delete and economy or are there power gains? Does it make any smoke at all? Does it come with multiple tunes for power levels also? Dude we should meet up I would like to show you all the new things I have done to my car since the last time you seen it. BTW great review.

[@markb6s4]

The tune pretty much bypasses all the sensors that are not needed that are emissions so that you don't get a CEL. And at the same time it is also for more power Gains! When you modify a Diesel you get more power and more MPG. That's the benefit of diesels. As for gasoline engines it's the opposite. More power requires more fuel, equals less mpg

[@driller524]

@@markb6s4 Marc. If you turn up the fuel pressure and make black smoke your mpg will decrease but you will make more power. Gasoline engines are the same but depending on application like say a turbo engine can be tuned lean for better fuel economy but you risk high egt's so if you have a cat you need a richer lambda so you don't melt it internally. Same with diesel to much fuel equals higher EGT's. As for my car I have 4 variants of lambda depending on current conditions like boost pressure or engine load percentage. Say I am cruising the highway in eco mode it will be in stable burn variant (lean) for fuel economy then when I give it more boost the lambda table will increase afr to a richer ratio to keep the exhaust valves and turbo from melting.

[@driller524]

@@markb6s4 I was just wondering if the premade tunes you use have power level estimates. And if there are multiple tunes to turn up the timing and fuel and boost or is this just mostly focused on dpf delete and economy.

[@driller524]

Also can you hear the turbo more now with the dpf delete?

[@driller524]

After I left klx I completed High Performance Academy tuning school. I didn't take the diesel course though. And I only tune on my own car as a hobby but I have a understanding of the diesel engine.

[@rthilson]

I’m on all highway trip I’m at 29.4 mpg but I haven’t done the delete yet also I’ve had to go 65 mph to get that

[@markb6s4]

That's really good with out doing the delete

[@rthilson]

@@markb6s4 I drove from Racine wi to the Pennsylvania/ny border on one tank 750 miles

[@bradwies4036]

@@rthilson what tune?

[@rthilson]

@@bradwies4036 stock

[@Bastille1918]

Also, can you link all your parts in the description?

[@markb6s4]

All the parts i got where all used, so i purchased them from private sales. As for the tune it's from Malone tuning.

[@Bastille1918]

@@markb6s4 Ah, got it! Can you at least list the names of the parts for my reference?

[@markb6s4]

@@Bastille1918 for the delete kit this is the link. Again this is for a 2012-2015 www.rawtekinc.com/collections/touareg-q7-2011-2016/products/touareg-q7-2009-2016-dpf-adblue-delete-exhaust-kit

[@exposingdemocrats8370]

V12 twin turbo diesel?

[@markb6s4]

I wish!. This is just the V6 turbo diesel

[@1prcnter]

They won’t sell it here in America

[@KhaiMahase]

hey, my dad has a 2015 Q7, Premium plus fully loaded, can you tune that Q7 to make it faster? It already has a factory supercharger!

[@markb6s4]

Is your dads q7 a V6 gasoline. If so i am not familiar with that engine platform

[@KhaiMahase]

@@markb6s4 yep it’s a V6 3.0L factory supercharged

[@markb6s4]

@@KhaiMahase unfortunately I'm not fimiliar with the V6 supercharged engines. I do know that jackal motorsports have done tunes with the V6 supercharged engines but they are on the b8/8.5 and sq5 platform. If you ask them I'm sure they don't he se for Q7 too

[@KhaiMahase]

@@markb6s4 alright, thanks!

[@CORRADOVRT]

@@KhaiMahase yes, there are companies that have a tune for that engine too.

[@barrytunzelmann4759]

I am sorry but I saw the performance and my stock 240HP/427Tq Q5 2014 would keep up with you if not better stock vs your stage 2. I literally get pulled way back in the seat at any speed and only need to get rid of the regen on the DPF in the winter that happens all the time after a 5 minute shutdown. Why the Q5 has more factory power than a Q7 I do not know and I test drove both and the Touareg and hands down the 5 was way quicker. Definitely better fuel economy though with your tune. If I could get the tune back to pre-dieselgate I would be happy with the stock system.

[@markb6s4]

Also what I think is a big plus with the q5 is that it's a lot lighter too. The q7 is a boat 😅

[@ProductionsJoe]

Your Q5 is 4475lbs, his Q7 is 5567lbs.

[@branrobbins]

One reason the q5 feels more powerful is the DSG transmission vs. the Aisin in the Touareg and Q7. Aisin is probably more reliable and better for towing but a lot slower on shifts. It does feel quite a bit snappier.

[@olegandriievskyi8885]

Can you sell modified file?

[@markb6s4]

I wouldn't know how to do that. Sorry

[@olegandriievskyi8885]

File,that you downloaded from site to device(flashzilla)

[@olegandriievskyi8885]

@@markb6s4 I got same ecu like your car have it.There is no lock by vin number.I have stage1 tune,but wanted to trying another tune

[@olegandriievskyi8885]

@@markb6s4 Did you got EDC17CP44 ECU?

[@markb6s4]

@@olegandriievskyi8885 did you ever get the stage 2 tune?

[@GM-qy2bb]

Would you want to sell you q7? I am in the market

[@markb6s4]

Sorry. The q7 is not for sale

[@southerndiy1]

Post Malone (tune)