Audiences are bored of girl boss characters

[@kasmiller9289]

That was the most savage video I have seen in a decade. All of your social commentary was expertly punctuated with truely wicked, wicked humour. Your Diarrhoea really is a breath of fresh air.

[@tongla9447]

Is this a compliment or a damnation?

[@SterileNeutrino]

But it should really be voiced not by an AI but more in the style of Plinkett or the Critical Drinker.

[@KaylaJones2000]

InсеIs mad. Good. Stay mad. I don't understand women who want sons. The smartest thing to do if you find yourself pregnant with a mаlе is to get rid of IT and try again for a girl. No matter how much you love your sons, they will grow up to dеsрisе your image and blame you for all of their problems. Notice they never blame the mеn who fаilеd to rаisе or give a dаmn about them.

[@KaylaJones2000]

InсеI, i can see why you're so mad. It's obvious that no woman have ever loved you, not even your own mother, and they never will. How sad is that?

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@KaylaJones2000 source: trust me bro

[@FatNorthernBigot]

They're not encouraging women to see blockbuster movies. They're just discouraging men.

[@Warhaawk]

Most of the women I know do NOT like girl bosses in blockbuster action flicks...they want hot guys...lol

[@FatNorthernBigot]

@@Warhaawk Yeah, if my wife mention's Cpt. America's arse one more time!!!

[@Fiddlewinks]

​@@FatNorthernBigotTo be fair, there is a lot of it to mention.

[@sianais]

​@FatNorthernBigot But it's beautiful 😅 The helicopter scene was awesome, too 💪

[@sianais]

They're also discouraging women. None of us are supporting this sht.

[@Tokioka]

Xena: Warrior Princess did it right. She was strong but also feminine and despite being a girlboss, she had actual character and was written considerably better than anything we get on screen nowadays.

[@balthazarasquith]

Ellen Ripley was the og girl boss, and people love her (well at least in two maybe three of the films we don't talk about resurrection 😅)

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@@balthazarasquith That demonstrates how the setting and the writing is important. Xena was a girlboss, but the script continuously challenged her attitude, with comedic results that made the character more likable. In the two relevant movies, Ripley was not really a girlboss, she was a survivor, whose mental resources made her keep on fighting in desperate situations, when everyone else had already failed. She was not superhuman. She was only mentally very tough.

[@joshuathompson2864]

I cannot believe I am in the timeline where writing has gotten so bad, I long for the tight, clean and spartan writing efforts of Hercules and Xena.

[@P.Whitestrake]

The classic Wonder Woman is also a great example.

[@googleislame]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer as well.

[@johnpendarvis7885]

I knew it was all bullshit when the postfeminist harpies thought giving female protagonists all of the qualities that were declared "toxic" when in men was "empowering". Beyond idiotic.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

Yep, this was all anyone needed to see that it's all a lie. EVERY SINGLE THING they say makes masculinity 'toxic' is given to these characters. Every single thing at this point. Talking down to the opposite gender, ignoring and belittling them to each other, you name it.

[@michaelxz1305]

They basically write the character as a man and take away the struggle or training aspect

[@gruby970]

mar ksist textbook. find a social division, MANUFACTURE ONE when needed, hound one side onto other until both are weakened, take power. Cultural power in this case, meaning getting to say what is true and what is not, reality be dsmned.

[@michaelxz1305]

@@gruby970 feelings are reality apparently... and if you say otherwise you are "committing violence" - sounds like SciFi Dystopia.. but it's just the 2020s

[@vladpiranha]

There's a saying - "they don't hate slavery, they just want to be the ones holding the whip". They honestly assume that if they don't put their boot on your neck and keep it there, you'll do it to them because they can't see the world as anything other than a dominance hierarchy. All that talk of equity and inclusion is just moral posturing to reassure themselves that they aren't evil. Marxists have always been very predatory and intellectually low-function.

[@briancurtis6022]

Back in college I heard a one-line summary of entitled feminism and attempted feminist takeovers of formerly male-dominated things: "You built it, now give us half." Sadly, it seems to have underestimated feminist ambitions.

[@Parlimant_Strifey]

yeah, you're better off not letting them even know a thing. Keep it to yourself and leave the leeches in their own lane. They are literally an invasive gender and ungrateful as well, as shown by the feminist nutjobs.

[@chrisbackhouse5730]

If you've ever seen divorces where kids are involved, it's not surprising that women are exceptionally nasty and toxic when their own interests are prioritised at the expense of others

[@pigpuke]

Half? Generous, they usually take upwards of 75% after everything is tabulated.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Another great line I heard was: "They want all the respect of a world leader, with all the responsibility of a toddler."

[@MSgt5J071]

Give a feminist an inch and she thinks she's the ruler.

[@Whookieee]

As a woman, this video is 100% accurate. I'm so sick of poorly written Mary Sue's who think putting down an established male character makes them look good.

[@Tictacsizesoul]

@@nekiyiait is ma’am!

[@Tictacsizesoul]

@@nekiyia I think u didn’t get the joke)

[@username_creates6991]

Same!

[@jasomega2446]

True

[@kevincall170]

​@@nekiyiano they are among us

[@shaunspadafora7943]

I think Sigourney Weaver's "Ripley" is an example of the hero's archetype. She's a simple everyday person put into extraordinary circumstances and forced to rise to the occasion. She's strong, yet vulnerable, and the viewer can see her character growth. I believe this type of archetype is universal, regardless of gender! Characters like Ripley or John McClane resonate with viewers because they are relatable and represent both the vulnerabilities inherent to the human condition, as well as our immense potential as human beings. They inspire us.

[@timothymorris157]

There’s only one other prime example of the female hero archetype and that’s Sarah Conner most specifically from Terminator and Judgment Day.

[@MSgt5J071]

​@@timothymorris157I can think of one example of a female character who started out as a bad@$$ and was actually pretty good: Kate Beckinsale as Selene in the Underworld series. These movies weren't great, but she wasn't perfect and she faced consequences for her mistakes. She actually had something of a character arc. She had to deal with conflicts with men and women. She needed to work with men in order to accomplish objectives and they didn't resort to demeaning any guy to make her look better. My biggest criticism is that the stories could have been better. Criticism number two is certain characters that just weren't good. But the movies overall were better than every girl boss film or TV show that has come out lately.

[@Black_Rock_Studio]

@@MSgt5J071no

[@LittlePhizDorrit]

Rest assured, as a women, I agree. I was a huge comic book, movie, cartoon, scifi, fantasy, geek for a long time. I hate that Hollywood took something I love and destroyed it for what they think is equality. It's not; it's pandering and dismissive of women, but they can't or won't see that. I neither want, nor need Hollywood's (or comics or novels) identity politics and girl bosses. I don't even buy/watch/read new stuff anymore. Thankfully there are centuries of novels, and decades of films and comics I can indulge in. I don't need Hollywood or it's culture destroying narratives. I can only hope that more and more people start to do the same.

[@CaseyScoffieldWOW]

I agree with everything said in this comment. It is horrendously sad.

[@Purifiknight-ll7th]

Same, for the past few years I have moved away from all modern "entertainment" and started watching/reading/buying old films, books, comics, and anime. Sad too cause I was a huge movie and comics buff growing up.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I hate how Marvel and DC Comics do "inclusion". I fine with a gay or bisexual character. What I'm not fine with is the comic shifting genre to become a gay romance featuring someone who occasionally does some superheroing. It's maddening because in a superhero comic the "superhero" part should be the main focus of their identity. I want a superhero who happens to be gay not a gay superhero.

[@Thomas-wn7cl]

Yes, it is rare for me to watch modern corporate content. Instead I have been watching all the now "classic movies" from bygone eras. Alfred Hitchock, Dirty Harry, and The Cannonball Run. Plenty of others too. I appreciate the real stunts rather than CGI.

[@DrakeTimbershaft]

The descriptions of your poop, pee, and your medications are by leaps and bounds more entertaining than all the girl boss movies put together.

[@shaunspadafora7943]

I like this kind of hyperbolic self-deprecating humor, and believe it's borrowed from The Critical Drinker.

[@Ruldolphmaker]

He's become Harry Plinkett's British cousin

[@peppermintpsaki1157]

It’s supposed to be made for women, as a woman I avoid those movies like herpes. As a female, the reason why the whole “girlboss” genre chaps my ass so much takes me back to the old workplace graphic of “boss vs leader”. That sums it up 100%. No one likes those bosses, male OR female. They’re unlikable bullies who give you all the blame when things go wrong and take all the credit when things go right. Somehow got in despite lack of experience and training. Love pulling rank on you like a 3yo with a new toy. The only real consistent thing they do all day is point and command. And nobody really likes them, and they’re often too dense to differentiate the fear they instill from the favor they think they have from their subordinates. And they often never know the cheering that comes after they’re ousted. So, as far as “girlboss” films, basically this with a costume and boobs. And the added insult of expecting to like it simply because it has added boobs. I haven’t felt this insulted since Ms. Pac Man 🤭

[@darrengordon-hill]

BAFFLED as to how so few see this!! SIX YEAR OLD GIRLS ARE BOSSY!! With ZERO experience, skills or, most importantly, AUTHORITY!!! So why would "girl boss" be ANY different??

[@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z]

hell, they dont even add boobs anymore... they go out of their way to hide them..

[@MegaGasek]

@@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z I couldn't believe that THAT was Sydney Sweeney in Madame Web. I heard all the controversy and said this is fine, it is just a joke because it is not Sweeney anyway... But no, it was really her in Madame Web. How? How did they manage to make her look so incredibly bland? Behold... The power of modern cinema.

[@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z]

@@MegaGasekyeah!!.. thats why we on this side kept screaming about sidney sweeney cuz it was so out of place in modern hollywood

[@plentyowaffles6546]

@@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Zare women just boobs to you?

[@djblackprincecdn]

Your thoughts on Katheleen Kennedy felt very reserved and I really think you showed great restraint in expressing yourself.

[@thenapalmbrothershq5585]

The Kathleen segment was nuanced and balanced. Well done Echo.

[@Spongemonkey26]

Yet very discriptive.

[@shaunspadafora7943]

When I heard the description of the "soggy dump" of a vagina, I can almost smell it over the internet, haha.

[@Snapper314]

Your take on KK was one of, if not THE BEST I've ever heard! Subscribed!

[@HunterZolomon]

Just the fact that two of the greatest sci-fi franchises ever have female protagonists (Alien, Terminator) should really shut the woke crowd up. But representation was never the point. The point is ideological revenge. Revenge of ugly, unlikeable narcissists.

[@darrengordon-hill]

OH MY GOD, PLEASE WATCH MORE FILMS!!! "Derp Ripley, err umm Sarah Connor' IN ALL OF FILM HISTORY, yall can ONLY name TWO characters?? And from DECADES ago??? My dad owned Aliens on VHS!!!!!! You're kinda proving their point.....

[@KissMy2Moons]

@@darrengordon-hill Nah, it only proves writers today should be fired for having abysmal take on female characters instead of actually taking inspiration from these two. But to each their own, you love eating endless slop while I prefer my meal to at least be appetizing.

[@anonme_]

@@darrengordon-hill Would you be so kind to suggest more such movies with decent female leads to watch? I have seen the entire Alien franchise (except the crossovers and the only with Luke Hemsworth; was it an Independence Day film? Can't remember, sorry).

[@BLACK80085]

Its fantasy of old harpies manifested through their characters which they live through them and they want others to live through them as well 😅😝

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

I would see _some_ point if they presented it as a kind of "making up for past inequality", even though _that_ would in a lot of cases just be making people pay for the mistakes of their ancestors ("sins of the father" kind of thing). But they're not even making _that_ argument, they _say_ they want equality, when yeah, the actual result/consequences of their demands and actions is revenge, not equality or justice.

[@TheBikeOnTheMoon]

the problem isn't the girlboss character as a concept, the problem is the toxic stuff that they declare to hate in men and inject into girlboss characters because it's "empowering".

[@springsogourne]

That you for this, I’m a 63 year old female and I cannot stand what they have done with female roles.

[@shaunspadafora7943]

What they have done with female roles is incredibly patronizing, and completely underestimates the kind of courage and personal growth that women are truly capable of. Shout out to all those strong women out there who see through all this Hollywood bullshit. Respect.

[@BLACK80085]

Those are fantasies of old harpies who make characters to live through them being perpetrators without consequence (so ewww 🤮) and want others to live it through them as well.

[@stevensiferd7104]

From the moment I first heard the Bechdel Test explained to me, my first thought was "but, if women can't complain about men, they quickly run out of things to say."

[@Dexidoodle]

Completely Untrue. I'm also more than capable of being derogatory and condescending towards and about other women...

[@LimitedCheetah]

Shoes Clothes Babies Men/Girth/Length Whichever of their bitch/friends didn't show up and how fat they are. No particular order.

[@christophertaylor9100]

And, let's be honest, they have a lot of reason to complain about us most of the time

[@Embrace-The-Dork-Side]

Even Bechdel herself has gone on record saying the test is complete nonsense and proves nothing. I don't think she anticipated her bad joke becoming radical feminist dogma...

[@sztallone415]

​@@Embrace-The-Dork-Side That's not a 'test' in a sense most use the term, but a guideline or a rule of thumb at max, for back of the envelope evaluation of a story. But to use it and only it as a definitive test is insane. A lot of films fail it by default - example used on many sites is the Name of the Rose, because it naturally lacks female characters due to the setting. Other thing is, that a (male) character can mean a lot of different things to a woman in the story, in that case it's logical that woman will speak of that person a lot. E.g. in the MCU Hawkeye represents Widows humanity, her guiding light away from her evil past. Her talking about him is completely justified.

[@Dragonblaster1]

They portray women as ridiculously over-the-top caricature of a man.

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

Even worse, it's the exact "toxic masculity" they cry about in men. But the moment it's a woman with those traits, they're oh-so-amazing role models... 🤮

[@Nicksonian]

There’s nothing wrong with strong female characters…as long as they act like women.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

And stay likeable, with a story which makes sense. Japan has plenty of examples.

[@aeroprime3322]

Of course if you ask these nutters what a woman is good luck getting a coherent answer out of them.

[@harryhutcherson7177]

And actually face some struggles/defeats and learn from them to become a hero, instead of just realizing that you are and have always been perfect, you just had to cast of the yoke of the patriarchy in order for everyone else to see how perfect you are.

[@aeroprime3322]

Okay did my reply get deleted??

[@MasticinaAkicta]

Remember Mulan, I mean the OLD mulan, you know the OLD movie. Yeah, she did have to fight to become and succeed. And lost a few battles underway. The new Mulan that is just a perfect bossbabe, and nobody likes that.@@harryhutcherson7177

[@Renfair333]

I'm a woman. You know me now. When we asked for "strong" characters it was "strong" as in a strong argument or a strong suit ie well-written, 3 dimensional. Not these unstoppable, flawless, sociopathic behemoths.

[@harouchr]

The spirit of Plinkett flows through you...

[@DrakeTimbershaft]

FIFTY-NINE MINUTES!!!

[@isaiahgray6415]

"Kathleen Kennedy is the most disappointing thing since my son..."

[@steevrawjers]

PLINKETT IS A CLOWN

[@MrsMacLover]

that's high praise

[@unclerukmer]

Echo could be a worthy successor.

[@kevinroark5815]

Kathy should've been left to take the coffee orders.

[@yakhooves]

Let’s be real though… she was likely rubbish at that too…

[@NefariousKoel]

@@yakhooves Spielberg actually stated, in some old interview, that she wasn't a very good secretary.

[@dryfox11]

“Can I have an espresso please?” “Would you like a gay chick in it? And would you like it LAME?”

[@ArethaVGuedes]

Hi from Brazil! I'm a chicklit book writer and I love watching all kinds of movies. I went to the cinema to watch Titanic, but I also went to see Lord of the Rings and The Matrix. I have photos of my son dressed as Captain America at the premiere of the first Avengers when he was around 5 years old. So much so that the MCU followed his growth until adolescence, but these last films are disappointing. I can't take any more of the plot holes that I can't ignore. After End Game, I only liked Spider-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy. Women like to see complex stories, not Mary Sues. What happens is that it alienates the captive audience (female and male) and does not captivate a new audience. I have my friends as an example, if they don't like hero films, they won't go to the movies (or streaming) to see it just because the heroine is a woman.

[@davidnguyen270]

Someone please pay this person to go wake up Hollywood

[@BillyLapTop]

In the last 20 years of television and movie entertainment, the only female lead I liked was the Australian actress Anna Torv who played the Olivia Dunham character in the TV series "Fringe." She was believable and engaging for all the right reasons. Subsequent to that series there has been a dearth of female leads wherein the writers hit all the marks of relating to them. Such a waste.

[@djblackprincecdn]

Olivia was a great character in the Scully vein of strong female alphabet cops.

[@LaitoChen]

Agree. She was the new Scully. Very smart, skeptical and believable. And she had a love interest

[@albaestrada8603]

Eleven from stranger things was awesome

[@Poptart_Prime]

You know if you take each of the character’s personality on the thumbnail and shuffle them in the others stories, you’d end up with roughly the same plot outcome. That’s because all of them are shallow cardboard-flavored non-people.

[@darthlaurel]

So effing true.

[@darrengordon-hill]

YOU'VE SAID THIS ALREADY... but you keep saying!!! VIDEO AFTER VIDEO advertising this crap IS THE ONLY reason I can name: Echo Madame Webb Game of Thrones or Narnia or some shit Cpt Marvel I've WATCHED NONE OF THEM!!! But there are MOVIE LENGTH reviews of them, and many reviews!!!

[@haroldb1856]

Strong Female Characters are not stoic. They are cynical, misanthropic, spiteful, rude, smug and consistently maintain an angry, constipated demeanour. Stoic is something different.

[@74357175]

As a fan of Miss Phryne Fisher, a classic strong female character, I eagerly watched the all-woman written, directed and produced modern adaptation (2019). Then I had the uncomfortable realization: "Oh s**t, this is not very good!" That was a reality check. No amount of having women involvement could make up for the fact that I didn't want to spend my precious time on bad entertainment.

[@bobsmith5185]

The first episode of Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries was exceptionally misandrist & stupid. I couldn’t even finish it.

[@74357175]

@@bobsmith5185 Interestingly enough, I didn't mind the 2012 adaptation so much. If you can imagine, the 2019 adaptation (that's the all-woman production) is way worse.

[@Apocalypse_Meow...]

The vehicles, props & wardrobe were awesome, though 🤭😜👍

[@seavee2000]

I hear that the British Army is full of stunning and brave girl bosses. That's going to end well... Oh, and don't hold back on KK, an empowered chick. We need more like her. Said no one.

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

I am a woman and I approve this message. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@suyanm.s.6742]

I'm in same boat. To me the Hollywood model is boring till the ads is more fun than movie itself. I grew up watch action movies with my father i watch without care the protagonist was a man for me the story is more than one detail.

[@todd3563]

Can women make an original movie without disparaging men?

[@neilcook4710]

That Kathleen Kennedy origin story is terrifying to imagine.

[@merlcycle8058]

It’s so misogynistic for Echo C to put his towering IQ on such an aggressively towering display.

[@photoguy4212]

Almost all horror movies have strong female leads. It's actually overwhelmingly female. You can pretty much name any slasher and it's led by a woman. Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Resident Evil, I know what you did last summer, Hush, Happy Death Day, Pearl, X, Texas Chainsaw, etc. If anyone ever claims men won't watch strong female leads, refer them to horror. Those who claim this obviously are ignorant and have never heard of the final girl, which is a trope for a reason.

[@boobah5643]

The problem with using horror is that the Final Girl is usually equated to a virginity/purity thing; usually emphasized by the most sexually active couple dying early. The idea that you can gain power by restraining yourself is anathema.

[@davidbacon9244]

​@@boobah5643not only that, but the psychological drive behind horror is vulnerability and frailty, which matches better with the PoV of a girl. Only when the monster is too powerful, it fits with a men's perspective, like Predator. The feeling of dread and powerlessness is key in a good horror. There's no fun watching the hulk against a xenomorph.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

*Black girl magic* will never not make me laugh, it’s makes me think of a Captain Planet/Sailor Moon style team up like “Black girl magic!” “White girl witchcraft!” “Brown girl sorcery!” “Yellow girl wizardry!”

[@heroineburgh]

The interesting thing is that it's not culturally authentic, since all four of those are Western fantasy concepts. It'd be more accurate to proclaim: "White girl witchcraft!" "Black girl vodou!" "Brown girl shakti!" "Yellow girl chi!" or something similar. Not only could that really work, but viewers across the world would learn a bit about other cultures, the way you somehow learned just a little bit of history and geography every time Sydney Fox went hunting for a relic or you were trying to figure out where in the world was Carmen Sandiego. And it could still all have sex appeal, as well, with the right casting and costuming.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access You forgot "Red girl spirits!" (Literally seen in Disney's Echo.)

[@heroineburgh]

@@MarvinPowell1 You are absolutely correct, sir. In our correctly diverse cartoon, though, we'd call it "Red Girl Manitou", and the kids would learn another fun new word.

[@Nicksonian]

The Star Trek character Uhura, while ground breaking for the 1960s, was NOT a major character and has no place in a lineup of the series leading characters. And James T. Kirk is THE prime character, making all the rest followers on…

[@christopherkelley1664]

For real. It was Kirk, Spock, and Bones at absolute most. Having Uhura in the lineup is like having Keiko O'Brien on the lineup for DS9.

[@Nicksonian]

@@christopherkelley1664 Even for the original Trek, Scottie, Chekov, and Sulu were more involved in most of the story lines than Uhura.

[@christopherkelley1664]

@@NicksonianAgreed, that's why I compared her to Keiko.

[@heroineburgh]

True, but that doesn't mean Uhura couldn't be written as a lead with an interesting backstory, compelling writing, and a relationship arc. Although Janeway was an early unlikeable girlboss, TNG did have two compelling actual female leads - Crusher and Troi - and they worked just fine.

[@Mark_68]

Strong Characterless Females. That sums it up perfectly. Thanks for this and a few good laughs too.

[@pfath77]

your description of mrs kennesdys parents sad sexual encounter was the funniest thing ive heard yet this year. thank you...

[@DustinBarlow8P]

I almost pissed myself. Very funny!

[@uutsii]

A hero’s journey is more triumphant when overcoming adversity. Girl boss story’s have no arch. There also very condescending to their own audience.

[@Planeet-Long]

14:25 "Men are obsessed with women, women just want to be left alone." - Society. Meanwhile, when I hear random people talk in public men rarely talk about women or an individual woman, 90% of what I hear women talk about is men in their lives or men they want in their lives. We keep hearing that women are the centre of men's universe and that nen don't exist in women's, but I genuinely get the impression that the opposite is true.

[@Allybob001]

I love your work. The sheer density of imagery can be overwhelming. I especially liked the PG backside and great hooters reference.

[@Kal-213]

As a woman, I actually mostly prefer male characters. Tbf I like more action movies as opposed to some women, and the male eye candy doesn't hurt either. But I also like women characters who are empathetic, kind, and show strength that isn't always powers-based. Nuance is a thing a lot of movies are missing with female characters. And make women evil more. Not just "misguided and can be drawn back to being good." Take Delilah Briarwood from Vox Machina a few years ago. She was caring and empathetic to her husband while also being a powerful wizard. She didn't use brute strength and was more cunning. But she was still irredeemably evil.

[@Goranh]

your genuine and outright hatred for Kathleen Kennedy makes us brothers, without even knowing you.

[@chrissosa3723]

I remember having this discussion with a coworker and she tried to checkmate me by asking me to name 5 strong female characters in shows/movies or games before 2010 so I listed: Ripley, Sarah Connor, Xena, The bride (kill bill), and Mulan. After that I was hit with the "name five more", so I mentioned Elizabeth Swann, Chun Li, Evelyn Carnahan, Samus Aran, and Alice from the resident evil movies (I could've mentioned Jill Valentine but I figured mentioning an original character in the movies was a stronger argument). After that I asked her to name me 3 strong female characters from the 2010s-present that are strong without the need to make men dumber & useless and maybe there are dozens out there, maybe I put her on the spot, but she could only name Rey Skywalker and the Twilight roster which is fair enough but I deliberately chose just one character per franchise (when possible) and well, Rey is only strong because neither star wars rules nor logic apply to her. Hollywood and the videogame industry forgot there's a massive difference between strong, leading characters that happen to be women and strong, leading characters *because* they're women Edit: typo

[@sigurdkaputnik7022]

Clarice Starling should be in that pre 2010 list, too.

[@neilrusling-je6zo]

Bet you spelled "Diarrhoea" properly in your script, no leaving out the "O" like some sort of savage...why cant i leave 2 likes?

[@Dragonblaster1]

I wonder if the writers ever looked at their character's comics. Seeing MODOK with a shit-eating grin rather than an evil one made me laugh.

[@tkirby]

Echo Plinkett

[@treystephens6166]

Plinket is a jerk.

[@nima5398]

I was thoroughly entertained bro, job well done. New sub.

[@rwinger2481]

Years from now, I'll be looking back at this era of post-pandemic films as the 2nd collapse of the major studio system. Data, checkboxes, and sadly personal greed have compromised and blurred the lines what actually makes a fun and entertaining story. It's a loss of passion as most movies are being made on an assembly line where the quality and specialty is gone and its pretty much generic.

[@Igelior]

Splendid video :) I always find it so weird, we have worked for decades to overcome all our prejudice and stereotypes and -isms and -phobias - and then certain people in the entertainment industry feel they want to do their damndest to gives us reasons to go back to these ways^^

[@jonbaxter2254]

Echo is like that guy in Spongebob who has broken bones and his heart attacks put him to sleep.

[@vinayvarghese8311]

You are refreshingly sarcastic 😂

[@trollmaster4523]

Lewis from RoboCop, the woman from every Power Ranger series, Katara, Toph and the girls in each team Avatar, heck even Kuvira and sparky sparky boom lady is more entertaining that what KK flop out.

[@christopherkelley1664]

Also, psych and sociology studies show that women may insult alpha (or "traditionally masculine") men when asked, but typically are still more attracted to them than betas.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Thing is, they had it right with female characters 20 years ago; Trinity, The Bride, Thelma and Louise etc.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Yeah yeah, murder and suicide!!

[@painfulorwhat8872]

Great stuff! Greetings from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@mr.timebombman2230]

They act as if there's never been strong female leads in these kinds of movies, and that they're doing something new and groundbreaking

[@dfrenchinski2230]

I really enjoy legitimate heroic behavior. I like strong, well developed characters and plot arc that require the players to turn to each other and say, "I'm dry of notions, what do we do?" When all the characters are able to call upon each others' strengths and help each other negate their weaknesses to achieve a goal, it is entertaining and empowering to have the group dynamic reinforced. Oh, well damn. I like ripped guys, snappy dialog, and soul. And I like strong male heroes and smart women who have something logical to add to the winning of the day.

[@khfan4life365]

As a woman, I’ve been a nerd/geek since I was five. I’m not a fan of what’s happening here. Real geek girls don’t care about intersectionality in our hobbies. Hollywood needs to stop alienating real fans for fakes who don’t care.

[@reek4062]

Jackson fans are fake fans

[@rattusrattus761]

Your description of different male archetypes at 16:18 is worth a like and subscription just by itself.

[@FlamingCockatiel]

When I heard about the Bechdel Test, I wondered what reagents it used.

[@ТадухепаТушраттовна]

You see, as a man you ever search in a wrong place for the female escapist ideal! Wonderwoman, seriously!.. *Lizzy Bennet is the one!* She is beautiful and young, living in a beautiful surroundings, she smater and more moral than the surrounding society, she gets to dance, wear a new lovely dress in every scene, solve the matrimonial problems of her friends and of course gets loved by the handsomest guy around! What else would you need for a perfect escape?!.

[@quatore-5886]

Great Tarkovsky quote. You are one of the few KZbinrs who are consistently worth my time.

[@christopherkelley1664]

He seriously puts in the effort. He's a great showman, but for me he stands out most for his restraint.

[@dpastor6631]

Women weren't really marginalized in the the past in movies. This is a typical historical fiction. As someone who owns thousands of classic movies from the 1930's to the 1960's, there are many, many, many female led movies with strong female characters. These include movies like "The King and I", "The White Cliffs of Dover", "Pride and Prejuce" with Greer Garson, along with "Mrs. Miniver", etc. etc. These people haven't watched many Barbara Stanwyk or Bette Davis or Katherine Hepburn movies. Many other female lead actresses like Judy Garland, Deanna Durbin, Doris Day, Rita Hayworth, Vivian Leigh, Elizabeth Taylor, Claudette Colbert, Eleanor Powell, Jane Powell, Jean Arthur, Jennifer Jones, Ginger Rogers, Ida Lupino, Esther Williams, Debbie Reynolds, would OFTEN carry the lead in their own films. People also forget that western and war movies just naturally lean toward male leads - because it's more realistic.

[@paulm2467]

It’s ridiculous, they have 50kg women throwing 100kg men around or punching them and knocking them down or even out, it’s a dangerous female fantasy that has convinced some women that they can fight men.

[@touchanddie]

I’m a woman who read LOTR in her formative years. What I saw was real strong men and men bond. Also- female power as it should be. Arwen, Galadriel, Eowin- they weren’t silent, put down or ignored. Eowin was given a task to be acting king because Theoden knew that she was the best for the role(he had generals and close advisers who could’ve done it so she would be just a figure but he chose her). At the end she finds her partner in Faramir- they both are eager to protect and they match each other with a kind of subtle power (yeah, Faramir isn’t “boy boss”, he is subtle in his masculinity but it doesn’t matter- he is strong as a person and man!) I love Eowin arc- she did what she wanted but she didn’t stand in front of part of troops saying- I’m Rohan princess, I’m better than my brother and uncle and you need to follow me to fight olyphant and fuck other orders😂

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

Echo, you've definitely got a penchant for writing clever, poignant and hilarious videos! Although I've had a disagreement with a few of your takes you never cease to humor me when I watch your bits! Well done, mate ( said by an American from Louisiana)!

[@treystephens6166]

I’m an American 🇺🇸 from Michigan.

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

@treystephens6166 dude, I want to visit Michigan so bad!

[@treystephens6166]

@danielwatcherofthelord1823 it's a very nice State! Very Cold 🥶 this time of the year.

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

@@treystephens6166 oh yeah I bet! Those giant lakes make sure y'all stay freezing all winter long!

[@treystephens6166]

@ I’ve never been to Louisiana. I’ve heard there are a lot of Vampires down there!

[@Ultrarooster33]

The treehouse analogy is spot on. For the little sister “only to discover it’s not that interesting”. To further the metaphor, the little sister then finds a half-empty pack of cigarettes and then tells their mother. The mother then grounds the boy and dismantles the treehouse as punishment.

[@TheDissident77]

Ripley and Sarah drink their coffee and laugh.

[@darrengordon-hill]

"OMG, are those the only 2 strong females you normies can name?? No anime or foreign dubbed films? Shame on you!"

[@TheDissident77]

@@darrengordon-hill - Really? Shame on us for not being into other movie genres? Talking mainstream movies but we're supposed to cite movies that the mainstream doesn't know? Stick to the topic. The answer is in your reply, 'normies' that means MOST people. That's who pays or doesn't pay for movies. The fandom isn't big enough to make those other movies popular here in the US. Normies don't watch those genres you mentioned. Don't be 'comic book guy' just because the average movie goer doesn't know or watch foreign or obscure movies. Average fan in average mainstream movie is the subject. Those 2 names are well known among normies AND fans. Your argument is off point and out of place here. Now if the topic was why aren't foreign or anime films more promoted or known and all their heroines etc. then your point would be good. Next time pick the right argument for your complaint.

[@pigpuke]

If Galadriel is supposed to be beautiful, why did that get that box-face to portray her? She is NOT "elven beautiful", she's a 4 with all the studio fakeup. Also, she's just a bad actor - or maybe she's not and the part was written so badly that she's actually doing it a favour. Regardless, the show is sofa king terrible.

[@sidharthcs2110]

The make-up department totally ruined the entire show

[@8301TheJMan]

Personally - I've never had much of problem with badass "girl-boss-ish" characters, the problem is ho much they not flaunt the girl-boss characters in such a way to obviously pander to certain demographic. In other words, it's being done specifically to the "yaaaaas Queen" crowd. And these shows and films the past decade or so are so heavy-handed and blatant about it that it's just so effin cringe-inducing! At the end of the day, it's all about the execution. You can have a "girl-boss" sort of character so long as she's well rounded, far more complex than the "I can do everything guys can do, and sometimes I'm even better" - sort of character. And also how believable she is as a character, (within the universe that the story takes place in),, and if she's properly integrated into the story. But alas, they simply aren't the vast majority of the time, and are instead 1-diimensioal walking-cliché Mary Sues!

[@heroineburgh]

You almost got it right when you said they didn't just establish ONE kind of male archetypal lead - they established several. You had your Luke and Frodo, you had your Han and Bond, and then you also had characters who were kind of in-between, like Reeves and Cain as Superman, or even funnymen like Seinfeld. But you failed to stick the landing with women. The exact same variety was true with female leads - they went from femme fatales like Raquel Welch or Farrah Fawcett to survivors and warriors like Xena and Ripley to those that embodied both like Wonder Woman or Bionic Woman or Buffy or Sarah O'Connor. Remember the alien leader Diana from V?This was already happening, and had been evolving and diversifying organically since the 60s and second wave feminism slipped Emma and Barbara into catsuits and Uhura into a tight skirt. As far as representation, no soulless unappealing girlboss ever needed to be created. If they wanted more female leads in movies, all the studio had to do was keep creating appealing female characters that worked for all audiences. For example, if you give an accomplished woman like Lois Lane superpowers, but keep her vulnerable and complex because she has a boyfriend, kids, co-workers and kryptonite, that would be a well-rounded female superhero. (This is, in fact, exactly what we've done with our most popular superheroine, Poderosa.) They almost did that with Melissa Benoist in her 1st and 2nd seasons but then it went off the rails. If they'd continued on that path, we'd have natural gender parity in movies today instead of forced callous and emotionless messaging.

[@Heyya01]

Frieren the strong lovable character that Hollywood needs to take note

[@OvisMilitaris]

We've had lovable, strong female characters in and outside Hollywood for years. Sarah Conner. Ellen Ripley. Leia Organa. Charlie's Angels. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Xena the Warrior Princess. Jem and the Holograms. She-Ra. Samus Aran. Aya Brea. The list goes on and on. Hollywood pretends they never existed and gives us poorly created girlbosses.

[@Kal-213]

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[@Heyya01]

@@OvisMilitaris im a big fan of strong female characters like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Conner, Alita, Emily Blunt in Sicario and Edge of tomorrow, Erin in You’re next, Judy Hopps lol, Leelo Dallas, Katniss Everdeen especially in Catching Fire, Kate Beckett in Castle

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

The issue is that the demand for "girlbosses" and strong female characters has come at a time when blockbuster film writing is at it's absolute worst. Nothing wrong with female characters but recently we have had a massive problem with being fed these underwritten and deeply unlikable female characters who follow the same basic patterns. Perfect women who's only issue is that they have a man in their way and they don't realise how powerful they really are, wow what a bold refreshing new take.

[@IstariAzul777]

It’s time for Girlboss: THE MOVIE. A classic spoof film like scary movie but mocking strong female characters in fantasy and sci-fi It needs all The following tallent: Amanda Steinberg Brie Larson Rachel Zegler Moyfred Clark (Galadriel, too lazy to google correct spelling) That girl that played Cassie lang Ideally we’d get Emily blunt and/or Sydney Sweeney to play a pair of incredibly hot, virtuous, elegant, kind heroines sent to our world to defeat whatever evil is subverting expectations Of course kk should b final Boss as they take out CERN, the WEF and the un Why does the un use a flat earth map in its logo?

[@katgirl3000]

Subscribing and sharing! Happened to discover this today. Intelligent and funny!

[@erraticuk]

What is the "female" hero's journey? Does it actually exist?

[@briandain8432]

Admiral Purple Hair is not Only why I walked away from Ster Werz but my Jurassic Park Laura Dern Lego minifig is chained up and in a Dungeon so my subconscious can have peace.

[@Sidera17]

I'm going to share an example, that may or may not be from my childhood, about what Hollywood is getting wrong in marketing Boy Brands to chicks. (I'm a chick.) When I was a kid, I loved cars. I collected every Matchbox car in existence. How did I play with the cars? Did I race them against each other? Crash them? Gear-porn obsess and modify them? Nope. Instead, the cars lived in a garage, had individual personalities based on their appearance, and the emphasis of play was on the vehicular-relational dynamics between the cars. Hollywood could totally bring more chicks into "male genres" by focusing predominantly on... chick-centric behaviors, themes, wish-fulfillment/power fantasies WITHIN those genres. But they don't.

[@marcmarc1967]

The problem is that the writers are not like most women, who would react positively to your story. The female writers are obsessed with showing that women can be like men, and hence, the female lead characters are basically written as men, but played by female actors.

[@Sidera17]

@@marcmarc1967 I've always been told that, as a lady, I don't skew ultra feminine, and I even flirted with all the Woke feminism stuff years ago. I know I probably am more representative of the types of women they *think* they're writing to appeal to, not the women who would prefer Barbie or a rom-com. But it's still repulsive. Even if it's supposed to be written for "women like me" lol who may share masculine as well as feminine power fantasies and wish fulfillments, it's awful because neither are fulfilled. It loses all sight of the feminine aspect or doesn't allow the feminine wish fulfillment to happen because the tropes are usually relational and "a betrayal to feminism." But the masculine-rooted power fantasies are equally awful. Masculine power fantasies are rooted in strength and competency and heroic challenge. How can I get that fulfilled either if the women are all Mary Sues who don't have any worthy adversaries of either gender and don't have some kind of heroic journey? We should start labelling these films as Revenge Fantasies Against Men, because that's the closest thing they are.

[@BLACK80085]

@@marcmarc1967 its not about that exactly its fantasies of old harpies of revenge they dont care they can be like men they care that they have power to abuse and are wanting to prove they can 🤣 if youre a man youre on their radar 🥱

[@BLACK80085]

@@marcmarc1967 yeah if youre a woman that happens to disagree (youre not with them) youre on their radar as well 🤭

[@vlastelinprislic286]

Thanks for sharing the car toys story, it's wholesome and a good reminder that gender differences can be cool and likable. I almost forgot that with all the modern schlop painting w as just the more annoying versions of ourselves.

[@iehoa1982]

Male and female need to balance each other to achieve equilibrium. When you amplify one side and suppress the other, you creat unbalance story and unbalance story sucks.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

There's nothing wrong about the idea of a strong female character. Unless it comes at the expense of literally everything else in your movie/game.

[@John-fk2ky]

Define “strong”. If your definition of “strong female character” equates to a female character acting like a male in every situation, then that’s bad. It’s a parody of the idea of strength and defines it too narrowly. It also usually makes the character boring because the creator of such characters tends to not add any flaws or anything else interesting to the character lest she appear in any way weak.

[@shannonmcelroy8454]

Exactly. Without fully realized characters, it takes a lot more work and time to convince the audience to find investment in the world you're offering.

[@DineshVutukuru]

If you want real Good Feminist and Girl Boss movies, I suggest watch the films of director Kodi Rama Krishna

[@free_at_last8141]

The trick is to put the pills into the pizza rolls before you use them as suppositories.

[@Trelane574]

1:52 This quote brings to mind the two-part series premier of Discovery, in which the first impressions of Burnham are built on hyping expectations rather than showing the character making actual accomplishments beyond winning an away mission fight and outwitting the ship's computers to bust out of the brig. Core fans are impressed that the captain and Sarek separately express confidence in Burnham, and the twice-played victim card (the loss of her parents, the court martial) resonates with them. Contrast with DS9's Sisko. In "Emissary" the viewer gets to see what he does best, diplomacy - earlier with Quark and later with the wormhole aliens. He faced a harrowing loss of his own, but the role of that tragedy is not simply to attract sympathy but to set up a vital development in his ability to communicate with the Prophets and to finally come to terms with his wife's death.

[@TheMightyCookieShow]

I don't think it's even so much the girl boss as the fact that they've just about released and removed every single possible male hero and protagonist possible in every single franchise and I be out there to the point that you just don't have male leads anymore in any of it and I think that that's where the problem is hell even the new Superman movies rumored to be all about Lois Lane and not superman.

[@RealityCheck6969]

The moral of the story is: Disney please make more womanist, strong, diverse, gender and race swapped female character movies. We all want to enjoy more of these modern, patriarchy challenging pieces of art!

[@Femmeaesthetic]

I also find it surprising even feminists are tired of this trope

[@monamisamist]

Feminism is about equality with men and women. Of course they don’t like this trope

[@abuseofmainstreammediacanh5713]

For 10 years, I dropped Hollywood (it's all about the message) - for French and European films (which at least give the impression that it's about fun and storytelling). I congratulate!

[@rkrams1989]

The best superhero female protagonist happened long ago, Jane grey, lara croft, Katniss evergreen. There is also Octavia in 100. Also Marvel did a disservice to that kid who got a chance to play her dream role with bad dialogue.

[@2st_duallist]

"Lah Dolkee Viteh" i died XD

[@CamriEloren]

They don't make characters like Ellen Ripley or Sarah Connor anymore.

[@carllaraway7232]

I see you channeling yours best RedLetterMedia. I enjoyed this video a lot.

[@MarcLuscher]

Hilarious AF and well examined. Thanks dude

[@mysocalledgenxlife]

Woman subscriber here! You sir, are a master wordsmith. That bit about Kathleen Kennedy was the funniest, most savage thing I have ever heard. My god that was hilarious.

[@MrWaffen007]

Fucking awesome.....love your humour and anecdotes

[@sidharthcs2110]

Strong Female Character ❌ Strong character that happened to be Female ✅ Everyone loves Sigourney Weaver's Riply

[@briandain8432]

Looking back Remember the Original He-man in the 80s? It was popular with Boys cuz it had big manly men and very feminine women. So they cancelled the boy brand, brought in She-mirror Ripoff, and the Brand was dead in a year. It was a Failed Experiment 40 years ago!

[@sigurdkaputnik7022]

Great examples of strong female characters are - Ellen Ripley (who, thanks to her maternal instincts, manage to save Jonesy and Newt and kills a lot of xenomorphs) - Clarice Starling, whose personal vulnerabilities are not a burden, but facing them gives her confidence to find and eliminate the killer.

[@stevenschultz9637]

"parity" would imply they would continue making male heroes

[@tylerdurden4006]

Its hilarious how they tried so hard and went too far extreme, they don't relaize the "girlboss" is always way more evil than the bad guys, marvel herself killed how many planets full of people?

[@datsun210]

Thank you for thinking this & again for saying it.

[@UtahDelaCruz]

How do you not have more subscribers? Great channel, love it.

[@darrengordon-hill]

HE TALKS ABOUT SHOWS NOBODY WATCHES!!!!! I admire his skill and wit and well-read quotes... but THE SUBJECTS ARE TRASH!!! YET ANOTHER video griping about "girl boss". Pretty sure Critical Drinker already did this... Then they go on each others shows and bitch on livestream for hours.. So why subscribe?? Why not just dip in when you want to and watch what you're interested in, instead of having a feed flooded with things you scroll past?? What are YOU DOING to promote this channel?? NOTHING BUT EMPTY WORDS?? Be part of the solution.