Audiences are bored of girl boss characters

The flops of The Marvels, The Rings of Power, ECHO and Madame Web could mean we're witnessing the death of the cinematic girlboss

[@kasmiller9289]

That was the most savage video I have seen in a decade. All of your social commentary was expertly punctuated with truely wicked, wicked humour. Your Diarrhoea really is a breath of fresh air.

[@tongla9447]

Is this a compliment or a damnation?

[@SterileNeutrino]

But it should really be voiced not by an AI but more in the style of Plinkett or the Critical Drinker.

[@KaylaJones2000]

InсеIs mad. Good. Stay mad. I don't understand women who want sons. The smartest thing to do if you find yourself pregnant with a mаlе is to get rid of IT and try again for a girl. No matter how much you love your sons, they will grow up to dеsрisе your image and blame you for all of their problems. Notice they never blame the mеn who fаilеd to rаisе or give a dаmn about them.

[@KaylaJones2000]

InсеI, i can see why you're so mad. It's obvious that no woman have ever loved you, not even your own mother, and they never will. How sad is that?

[@FatNorthernBigot]

They're not encouraging women to see blockbuster movies. They're just discouraging men.

[@Warhaawk]

Most of the women I know do NOT like girl bosses in blockbuster action flicks...they want hot guys...lol

[@FatNorthernBigot]

@@Warhaawk Yeah, if my wife mention's Cpt. America's arse one more time!!!

[@Fiddlewinks]

​@@FatNorthernBigotTo be fair, there is a lot of it to mention.

[@sianais]

​@FatNorthernBigot But it's beautiful 😅 The helicopter scene was awesome, too 💪

[@sianais]

They're also discouraging women. None of us are supporting this sht.

[@Tokioka]

Xena: Warrior Princess did it right. She was strong but also feminine and despite being a girlboss, she had actual character and was written considerably better than anything we get on screen nowadays.

[@balthazarasquith]

Ellen Ripley was the og girl boss, and people love her (well at least in two maybe three of the films we don't talk about resurrection 😅)

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@@balthazarasquith That demonstrates how the setting and the writing is important. Xena was a girlboss, but the script continuously challenged her attitude, with comedic results that made the character more likable. In the two relevant movies, Ripley was not really a girlboss, she was a survivor, whose mental resources made her keep on fighting in desperate situations, when everyone else had already failed. She was not superhuman. She was only mentally very tough.

[@joshuathompson2864]

I cannot believe I am in the timeline where writing has gotten so bad, I long for the tight, clean and spartan writing efforts of Hercules and Xena.

[@P.Whitestrake]

The classic Wonder Woman is also a great example.

[@googleislame]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer as well.

[@IMAMONGUS]

As a woman, this video is 100% accurate. I'm so sick of poorly written Mary Sue's who think putting down an established male character makes them look good.

[@nekiyia]

Yeah, you're a dude!

[@Tictacsizesoul]

@@nekiyiait is ma’am!

[@nekiyia]

@@Tictacsizesoul yeah, sure he is

[@Tictacsizesoul]

@@nekiyia I think u didn’t get the joke)

[@username_creates6991]

Same!

[@johnpendarvis7885]

I knew it was all bullshit when the postfeminist harpies thought giving female protagonists all of the qualities that were declared "toxic" when in men was "empowering". Beyond idiotic.

[@thehoerscorral8565]

Yep, this was all anyone needed to see that it's all a lie. EVERY SINGLE THING they say makes masculinity 'toxic' is given to these characters. Every single thing at this point. Talking down to the opposite gender, ignoring and belittling them to each other, you name it.

[@michaelxz1305]

They basically write the character as a man and take away the struggle or training aspect

[@gruby970]

mar ksist textbook. find a social division, MANUFACTURE ONE when needed, hound one side onto other until both are weakened, take power. Cultural power in this case, meaning getting to say what is true and what is not, reality be dsmned.

[@michaelxz1305]

@@gruby970 feelings are reality apparently... and if you say otherwise you are "committing violence" - sounds like SciFi Dystopia.. but it's just the 2020s

[@vladpiranha]

There's a saying - "they don't hate slavery, they just want to be the ones holding the whip". They honestly assume that if they don't put their boot on your neck and keep it there, you'll do it to them because they can't see the world as anything other than a dominance hierarchy. All that talk of equity and inclusion is just moral posturing to reassure themselves that they aren't evil. Marxists have always been very predatory and intellectually low-function.

[@briancurtis6022]

Back in college I heard a one-line summary of entitled feminism and attempted feminist takeovers of formerly male-dominated things: "You built it, now give us half." Sadly, it seems to have underestimated feminist ambitions.

[@Parlimant_Strifey]

yeah, you're better off not letting them even know a thing. Keep it to yourself and leave the leeches in their own lane. They are literally an invasive gender and ungrateful as well, as shown by the feminist nutjobs.

[@chrisbackhouse5730]

If you've ever seen divorces where kids are involved, it's not surprising that women are exceptionally nasty and toxic when their own interests are prioritised at the expense of others

[@pigpuke]

Half? Generous, they usually take upwards of 75% after everything is tabulated.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Another great line I heard was: "They want all the respect of a world leader, with all the responsibility of a toddler."

[@user-zn5qm2yq9h]

Give a feminist an inch and she thinks she's the ruler.

[@Nicksonian]

There’s nothing wrong with strong female characters…as long as they act like women.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

And stay likeable, with a story which makes sense. Japan has plenty of examples.

[@aeroprime3322]

Of course if you ask these nutters what a woman is good luck getting a coherent answer out of them.

[@harryhutcherson7177]

And actually face some struggles/defeats and learn from them to become a hero, instead of just realizing that you are and have always been perfect, you just had to cast of the yoke of the patriarchy in order for everyone else to see how perfect you are.

[@aeroprime3322]

Okay did my reply get deleted??

[@MasticinaAkicta]

Remember Mulan, I mean the OLD mulan, you know the OLD movie. Yeah, she did have to fight to become and succeed. And lost a few battles underway. The new Mulan that is just a perfect bossbabe, and nobody likes that.@@harryhutcherson7177

[@DrakeTimbershaft]

The descriptions of your poop, pee, and your medications are by leaps and bounds more entertaining than all the girl boss movies put together.

[@shaunspadafora7943]

I like this kind of hyperbolic self-deprecating humor, and believe it's borrowed from The Critical Drinker.

[@Ruldolphmaker]

He's become Harry Plinkett's British cousin

[@Dandoskyballer]

I watched 7 Samurai for the first time the other night. I still can't shake the memory of the woman carrying her child into enemy territory to save her stubborn old father-in-law from hinself. In the process the mill catches on fire. Her husband & father-in-law don't escape, but she makes it out of the mill clutching her small child in her arms. When the Samurai arrive to assist her, she thrusts her child into their arms with her final breath. They realize she had taken a spear to the back, and are astonished she survived long enough to save her child. They even take a moment to acknowledge how strong she was, just before one of the samurai breaks down crying with the child in his arms. It is in this moment he reveals he was once in this child's very same shoes when he was a little boy. Bandits raided his village & left him orphaned, which is what inspired him to become the 7th Samurai. That entire scene blew me away. Hollywood seriously needs to step up their writing game.

[@edhouse4826]

THIS^^^ is exactly why I watch foreign films and series. Zatoichi, kingdom, hellbound, all toshiro mifune movies. Etc etc. Fk Hollywood.

[@haroldb1856]

Strong Female Characters are not stoic. They are cynical, misanthropic, spiteful, rude, smug and consistently maintain an angry, constipated demeanour. Stoic is something different.

[@thenapalmbrothershq5585]

The Kathleen segment was nuanced and balanced. Well done Echo.

[@Spongemonkey26]

Yet very discriptive.

[@shaunspadafora7943]

When I heard the description of the "soggy dump" of a vagina, I can almost smell it over the internet, haha.

[@Snapper314]

Your take on KK was one of, if not THE BEST I've ever heard! Subscribed!

[@LittlePhizDorrit]

Rest assured, as a women, I agree. I was a huge comic book, movie, cartoon, scifi, fantasy, geek for a long time. I hate that Hollywood took something I love and destroyed it for what they think is equality. It's not; it's pandering and dismissive of women, but they can't or won't see that. I neither want, nor need Hollywood's (or comics or novels) identity politics and girl bosses. I don't even buy/watch/read new stuff anymore. Thankfully there are centuries of novels, and decades of films and comics I can indulge in. I don't need Hollywood or it's culture destroying narratives. I can only hope that more and more people start to do the same.

[@CaseyScoffieldWOW]

I agree with everything said in this comment. It is horrendously sad.

[@Purifiknight-ll7th]

Same, for the past few years I have moved away from all modern "entertainment" and started watching/reading/buying old films, books, comics, and anime. Sad too cause I was a huge movie and comics buff growing up.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I hate how Marvel and DC Comics do "inclusion". I fine with a gay or bisexual character. What I'm not fine with is the comic shifting genre to become a gay romance featuring someone who occasionally does some superheroing. It's maddening because in a superhero comic the "superhero" part should be the main focus of their identity. I want a superhero who happens to be gay not a gay superhero.

[@shaunspadafora7943]

I think Sigourney Weaver's "Ripley" is an example of the hero's archetype. She's a simple everyday person put into extraordinary circumstances and forced to rise to the occasion. She's strong, yet vulnerable, and the viewer can see her character growth. I believe this type of archetype is universal, regardless of gender! Characters like Ripley or John McClane resonate with viewers because they are relatable and represent both the vulnerabilities inherent to the human condition, as well as our immense potential as human beings. They inspire us.

[@timothymorris157]

There’s only one other prime example of the female hero archetype and that’s Sarah Conner most specifically from Terminator and Judgment Day.

[@user-zn5qm2yq9h]

​@@timothymorris157I can think of one example of a female character who started out as a bad@$$ and was actually pretty good: Kate Beckinsale as Selene in the Underworld series. These movies weren't great, but she wasn't perfect and she faced consequences for her mistakes. She actually had something of a character arc. She had to deal with conflicts with men and women. She needed to work with men in order to accomplish objectives and they didn't resort to demeaning any guy to make her look better. My biggest criticism is that the stories could have been better. Criticism number two is certain characters that just weren't good. But the movies overall were better than every girl boss film or TV show that has come out lately.

[@celebcopcams]

@@user-zn5qm2yq9hno

[@harouchr]

The spirit of Plinkett flows through you...

[@DrakeTimbershaft]

FIFTY-NINE MINUTES!!!

[@isaiahgray6415]

"Kathleen Kennedy is the most disappointing thing since my son..."

[@steevrawjers]

PLINKETT IS A CLOWN

[@MrsMacLover]

that's high praise

[@unclerukmer]

Echo could be a worthy successor.

[@peppermintpsaki1157]

It’s supposed to be made for women, as a woman I avoid those movies like herpes. As a female, the reason why the whole “girlboss” genre chaps my ass so much takes me back to the old workplace graphic of “boss vs leader”. That sums it up 100%. No one likes those bosses, male OR female. They’re unlikable bullies who give you all the blame when things go wrong and take all the credit when things go right. Somehow got in despite lack of experience and training. Love pulling rank on you like a 3yo with a new toy. The only real consistent thing they do all day is point and command. And nobody really likes them, and they’re often too dense to differentiate the fear they instill from the favor they think they have from their subordinates. And they often never know the cheering that comes after they’re ousted. So, as far as “girlboss” films, basically this with a costume and boobs. And the added insult of expecting to like it simply because it has added boobs. I haven’t felt this insulted since Ms. Pac Man 🤭

[@darrengordon-hill]

BAFFLED as to how so few see this!! SIX YEAR OLD GIRLS ARE BOSSY!! With ZERO experience, skills or, most importantly, AUTHORITY!!! So why would "girl boss" be ANY different??

[@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z]

hell, they dont even add boobs anymore... they go out of their way to hide them..

[@MegaGasek]

@@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z I couldn't believe that THAT was Sydney Sweeney in Madame Web. I heard all the controversy and said this is fine, it is just a joke because it is not Sweeney anyway... But no, it was really her in Madame Web. How? How did they manage to make her look so incredibly bland? Behold... The power of modern cinema.

[@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Z]

@@MegaGasekyeah!!.. thats why we on this side kept screaming about sidney sweeney cuz it was so out of place in modern hollywood

[@plentyowaffles6546]

@@arcadianlhadattshirotsughW33Zare women just boobs to you?

[@Dragonblaster1]

They portray women as ridiculously over-the-top caricature of a man.

[@HunterZolomon]

Just the fact that two of the greatest sci-fi franchises ever have female protagonists (Alien, Terminator) should really shut the woke crowd up. But representation was never the point. The point is ideological revenge. Revenge of ugly, unlikeable narcissists.

[@darrengordon-hill]

OH MY GOD, PLEASE WATCH MORE FILMS!!! "Derp Ripley, err umm Sarah Connor' IN ALL OF FILM HISTORY, yall can ONLY name TWO characters?? And from DECADES ago??? My dad owned Aliens on VHS!!!!!! You're kinda proving their point.....

[@kananimiranda3376]

Yes and it’s james cameron! His dialogue can sometimes suck but he writes authentic strong women very well. Even rose was a strong woman in her time of 1912. If she wasn’t she would have went back to that d bag in the end when she saw him on the boat walking around.

[@KissMy2Moons]

@@darrengordon-hill Nah, it only proves writers today should be fired for having abysmal take on female characters instead of actually taking inspiration from these two. But to each their own, you love eating endless slop while I prefer my meal to at least be appetizing.

[@anonme_]

@@darrengordon-hill Would you be so kind to suggest more such movies with decent female leads to watch? I have seen the entire Alien franchise (except the crossovers and the only with Luke Hemsworth; was it an Independence Day film? Can't remember, sorry).

[@djblackprincecdn]

Your thoughts on Katheleen Kennedy felt very reserved and I really think you showed great restraint in expressing yourself.

[@kevinroark5815]

Kathy should've been left to take the coffee orders.

[@yakhooves]

Let’s be real though… she was likely rubbish at that too…

[@NefariousKoel]

@@yakhooves Spielberg actually stated, in some old interview, that she wasn't a very good secretary.

[@dryfox11]

“Can I have an espresso please?” “Would you like a gay chick in it? And would you like it LAME?”

[@springsogourne]

That you for this, I’m a 63 year old female and I cannot stand what they have done with female roles.

[@shaunspadafora7943]

What they have done with female roles is incredibly patronizing, and completely underestimates the kind of courage and personal growth that women are truly capable of. Shout out to all those strong women out there who see through all this Hollywood bullshit. Respect.

[@merlcycle8058]

It’s so misogynistic for Echo C to put his towering IQ on such an aggressively towering display.

[@BillyLapTop]

In the last 20 years of television and movie entertainment, the only female lead I liked was the Australian actress Anna Torv who played the Olivia Dunham character in the TV series "Fringe." She was believable and engaging for all the right reasons. Subsequent to that series there has been a dearth of female leads wherein the writers hit all the marks of relating to them. Such a waste.

[@djblackprincecdn]

Olivia was a great character in the Scully vein of strong female alphabet cops.

[@LaitoChen]

Agree. She was the new Scully. Very smart, skeptical and believable. And she had a love interest

[@albaestrada8603]

Eleven from stranger things was awesome

[@TheBikeOnTheMoon]

the problem isn't the girlboss character as a concept, the problem is the toxic stuff that they declare to hate in men and inject into girlboss characters because it's "empowering".

[@stevensiferd7104]

From the moment I first heard the Bechdel Test explained to me, my first thought was "but, if women can't complain about men, they quickly run out of things to say."

[@Dexidoodle]

Completely Untrue. I'm also more than capable of being derogatory and condescending towards and about other women...

[@LimitedCheetah]

Shoes Clothes Babies Men/Girth/Length Whichever of their bitch/friends didn't show up and how fat they are. No particular order.

[@christophertaylor9100]

And, let's be honest, they have a lot of reason to complain about us most of the time

[@Embrace-The-Dork-Side]

Even Bechdel herself has gone on record saying the test is complete nonsense and proves nothing. I don't think she anticipated her bad joke becoming radical feminist dogma...

[@sztallone415]

​@@Embrace-The-Dork-Side That's not a 'test' in a sense most use the term, but a guideline or a rule of thumb at max, for back of the envelope evaluation of a story. But to use it and only it as a definitive test is insane. A lot of films fail it by default - example used on many sites is the Name of the Rose, because it naturally lacks female characters due to the setting. Other thing is, that a (male) character can mean a lot of different things to a woman in the story, in that case it's logical that woman will speak of that person a lot. E.g. in the MCU Hawkeye represents Widows humanity, her guiding light away from her evil past. Her talking about him is completely justified.

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

I am a woman and I approve this message. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@suyanm.s.6742]

I'm in same boat. To me the Hollywood model is boring till the ads is more fun than movie itself. I grew up watch action movies with my father i watch without care the protagonist was a man for me the story is more than one detail.

[@Zwaantje516]

I'm a woman. You know me now. When we asked for "strong" characters it was "strong" as in a strong argument or a strong suit ie well-written, 3 dimensional. Not these unstoppable, flawless, sociopathic behemoths.

[@neilcook4710]

That Kathleen Kennedy origin story is terrifying to imagine.

[@seavee2000]

I hear that the British Army is full of stunning and brave girl bosses. That's going to end well... Oh, and don't hold back on KK, an empowered chick. We need more like her. Said no one.

[@PennuangDomduangden-qc6cx]

You know if you take each of the character’s personality on the thumbnail and shuffle them in the others stories, you’d end up with roughly the same plot outcome. That’s because all of them are shallow cardboard-flavored non-people.

[@darthlaurel]

So effing true.

[@darrengordon-hill]

YOU'VE SAID THIS ALREADY... but you keep saying!!! VIDEO AFTER VIDEO advertising this crap IS THE ONLY reason I can name: Echo Madame Webb Game of Thrones or Narnia or some shit Cpt Marvel I've WATCHED NONE OF THEM!!! But there are MOVIE LENGTH reviews of them, and many reviews!!!

[@ArethaVGuedes]

Hi from Brazil! I'm a chicklit book writer and I love watching all kinds of movies. I went to the cinema to watch Titanic, but I also went to see Lord of the Rings and The Matrix. I have photos of my son dressed as Captain America at the premiere of the first Avengers when he was around 5 years old. So much so that the MCU followed his growth until adolescence, but these last films are disappointing. I can't take any more of the plot holes that I can't ignore. After End Game, I only liked Spider-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy. Women like to see complex stories, not Mary Sues. What happens is that it alienates the captive audience (female and male) and does not captivate a new audience. I have my friends as an example, if they don't like hero films, they won't go to the movies (or streaming) to see it just because the heroine is a woman.

[@davidnguyen270]

Someone please pay this person to go wake up Hollywood

[@74357175]

As a fan of Miss Phryne Fisher, a classic strong female character, I eagerly watched the all-woman written, directed and produced modern adaptation (2019). Then I had the uncomfortable realization: "Oh s**t, this is not very good!" That was a reality check. No amount of having women involvement could make up for the fact that I didn't want to spend my precious time on bad entertainment.

[@bobsmith5185]

The first episode of Miss Fisher’s Murder Mysteries was exceptionally misandrist & stupid. I couldn’t even finish it.

[@74357175]

@@bobsmith5185 Interestingly enough, I didn't mind the 2012 adaptation so much. If you can imagine, the 2019 adaptation (that's the all-woman production) is way worse.

[@Apocalypse_Meow...]

The vehicles, props & wardrobe were awesome, though 🤭😜👍

[@tkirby]

Echo Plinkett

[@pfath77]

your description of mrs kennesdys parents sad sexual encounter was the funniest thing ive heard yet this year. thank you...

[@DustinBarlow8P]

I almost pissed myself. Very funny!

[@Nicksonian]

The Star Trek character Uhura, while ground breaking for the 1960s, was NOT a major character and has no place in a lineup of the series leading characters. And James T. Kirk is THE prime character, making all the rest followers on…

[@christopherkelley1664]

For real. It was Kirk, Spock, and Bones at absolute most. Having Uhura in the lineup is like having Keiko O'Brien on the lineup for DS9.

[@Nicksonian]

@@christopherkelley1664 Even for the original Trek, Scottie, Chekov, and Sulu were more involved in most of the story lines than Uhura.

[@christopherkelley1664]

@@NicksonianAgreed, that's why I compared her to Keiko.

[@heroineburgh]

True, but that doesn't mean Uhura couldn't be written as a lead with an interesting backstory, compelling writing, and a relationship arc. Although Janeway was an early unlikeable girlboss, TNG did have two compelling actual female leads - Crusher and Troi - and they worked just fine.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

*Black girl magic* will never not make me laugh, it’s makes me think of a Captain Planet/Sailor Moon style team up like “Black girl magic!” “White girl witchcraft!” “Brown girl sorcery!” “Yellow girl wizardry!”

[@heroineburgh]

The interesting thing is that it's not culturally authentic, since all four of those are Western fantasy concepts. It'd be more accurate to proclaim: "White girl witchcraft!" "Black girl vodou!" "Brown girl shakti!" "Yellow girl chi!" or something similar. Not only could that really work, but viewers across the world would learn a bit about other cultures, the way you somehow learned just a little bit of history and geography every time Sydney Fox went hunting for a relic or you were trying to figure out where in the world was Carmen Sandiego. And it could still all have sex appeal, as well, with the right casting and costuming.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access You forgot "Red girl spirits!" (Literally seen in Disney's Echo.)

[@heroineburgh]

@@MarvinPowell1 You are absolutely correct, sir. In our correctly diverse cartoon, though, we'd call it "Red Girl Manitou", and the kids would learn another fun new word.

[@Mark_68]

Strong Characterless Females. That sums it up perfectly. Thanks for this and a few good laughs too.

[@Dragonblaster1]

I wonder if the writers ever looked at their character's comics. Seeing MODOK with a shit-eating grin rather than an evil one made me laugh.

[@FlyingHeadbutt100]

There is a morbid tone to the hopeless parts of this reminiscent of Chris Morris' seminal radio comedy "Blue Jam" and I like it.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Echo is like that guy in Spongebob who has broken bones and his heart attacks put him to sleep.

[@trollmaster4523]

Lewis from RoboCop, the woman from every Power Ranger series, Katara, Toph and the girls in each team Avatar, heck even Kuvira and sparky sparky boom lady is more entertaining that what KK flop out.

[@Gyrfalcon312]

Good Lawd, son, you ripped into Ms. Kennedy! 🤣

[@Heyya01]

Frieren the strong lovable character that Hollywood needs to take note

[@user-gx8ng6bj5q]

We've had lovable, strong female characters in and outside Hollywood for years. Sarah Conner. Ellen Ripley. Leia Organa. Charlie's Angels. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Xena the Warrior Princess. Jem and the Holograms. She-Ra. Samus Aran. Aya Brea. The list goes on and on. Hollywood pretends they never existed and gives us poorly created girlbosses.

[@Kal-213]

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[@Heyya01]

@@user-gx8ng6bj5q im a big fan of strong female characters like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Conner, Alita, Emily Blunt in Sicario and Edge of tomorrow, Erin in You’re next, Judy Hopps lol, Leelo Dallas, Katniss Everdeen especially in Catching Fire, Kate Beckett in Castle

[@photoguy4212]

Almost all horror movies have strong female leads. It's actually overwhelmingly female. You can pretty much name any slasher and it's led by a woman. Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Resident Evil, I know what you did last summer, Hush, Happy Death Day, Pearl, X, Texas Chainsaw, etc. If anyone ever claims men won't watch strong female leads, refer them to horror. Those who claim this obviously are ignorant and have never heard of the final girl, which is a trope for a reason.

[@boobah5643]

The problem with using horror is that the Final Girl is usually equated to a virginity/purity thing; usually emphasized by the most sexually active couple dying early. The idea that you can gain power by restraining yourself is anathema.

[@kananimiranda3376]

The ring, scream, and even blair witch project, the main character was a woman. She was scared but she went on the hero’s journey to the end of the movie. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out so well for the blair witch chic though. You hit this right on the head. What has happened to hollywood? They just cannot write women anymore. They suck at it. They are so 1 dimensional now.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Thing is, they had it right with female characters 20 years ago; Trinity, The Bride, Thelma and Louise etc.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Yeah yeah, murder and suicide!!

[@TheDissident77]

Ripley and Sarah drink their coffee and laugh.

[@darrengordon-hill]

"OMG, are those the only 2 strong females you normies can name?? No anime or foreign dubbed films? Shame on you!"

[@TheDissident77]

@@darrengordon-hill - Really? Shame on us for not being into other movie genres? Talking mainstream movies but we're supposed to cite movies that the mainstream doesn't know? Stick to the topic. The answer is in your reply, 'normies' that means MOST people. That's who pays or doesn't pay for movies. The fandom isn't big enough to make those other movies popular here in the US. Normies don't watch those genres you mentioned. Don't be 'comic book guy' just because the average movie goer doesn't know or watch foreign or obscure movies. Average fan in average mainstream movie is the subject. Those 2 names are well known among normies AND fans. Your argument is off point and out of place here. Now if the topic was why aren't foreign or anime films more promoted or known and all their heroines etc. then your point would be good. Next time pick the right argument for your complaint.

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

Echo, you've definitely got a penchant for writing clever, poignant and hilarious videos! Although I've had a disagreement with a few of your takes you never cease to humor me when I watch your bits! Well done, mate ( said by an American from Louisiana)!

[@christopherkelley1664]

Also, psych and sociology studies show that women may insult alpha (or "traditionally masculine") men when asked, but typically are still more attracted to them than betas.

[@Allybob001]

I love your work. The sheer density of imagery can be overwhelming. I especially liked the PG backside and great hooters reference.

[@Femmeaesthetic]

I also find it surprising even feminists are tired of this trope

[@morigaena333]

Feminism is about equality with men and women. Of course they don’t like this trope

[@Igelior]

Splendid video :) I always find it so weird, we have worked for decades to overcome all our prejudice and stereotypes and -isms and -phobias - and then certain people in the entertainment industry feel they want to do their damndest to gives us reasons to go back to these ways^^

[@datsun210]

Thank you for thinking this & again for saying it.

[@LadyBugPicnic12]

I’m a woman and this video was spot on

[@chrissosa3723]

I remember having this discussion with a coworker and she tried to checkmate me by asking me to name 5 strong female characters in shows/movies or games before 2010 so I listed: Ripley, Sarah Connor, Xena, The bride (kill bill), and Mulan. After that I was hit with the "name five more", so I mentioned Elizabeth Swann, Chun Li, Evelyn Carnahan, Samus Aran, and Alice from the resident evil movies (I could've mentioned Jill Valentine but I figured mentioning an original character in the movies was a stronger argument). After that I asked her to name me 3 strong female characters from the 2010s-present that are strong without the need to make men dumber & useless and maybe there are dozens out there, maybe I put her on the spot, but she could only name Rey Skywalker and the Twilight roster which is fair enough but I deliberately chose just one character per franchise (when possible) and well, Rey is only strong because neither star wars rules nor logic apply to her. Hollywood and the videogame industry forgot there's a massive difference between strong, leading characters that happen to be women and strong, leading characters *because* they're women Edit: typo

[@sigurdkaputnik7022]

Clarice Starling should be in that pre 2010 list, too.

[@sigurdkaputnik7022]

Great examples of strong female characters are - Ellen Ripley (who, thanks to her maternal instincts, manage to save Jonesy and Newt and kills a lot of xenomorphs) - Clarice Starling, whose personal vulnerabilities are not a burden, but facing them gives her confidence to find and eliminate the killer.

[@nima5398]

I was thoroughly entertained bro, job well done. New sub.

[@free_at_last8141]

The trick is to put the pills into the pizza rolls before you use them as suppositories.

[@g1015m]

One of the best female protaganist with strength and growth, is Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill. Not only was she badass, she was incredibly vulnerable. She also had a hard journey to achieve her revenge goal. On another note, I really wish Quinton Tarantino would do a horror movie.

[@briandain8432]

Admiral Purple Hair is not Only why I walked away from Ster Werz but my Jurassic Park Laura Dern Lego minifig is chained up and in a Dungeon so my subconscious can have peace.

[@KneelB4Bacon]

There's nothing wrong about the idea of a strong female character. Unless it comes at the expense of literally everything else in your movie/game.

[@John-fk2ky]

Define “strong”. If your definition of “strong female character” equates to a female character acting like a male in every situation, then that’s bad. It’s a parody of the idea of strength and defines it too narrowly. It also usually makes the character boring because the creator of such characters tends to not add any flaws or anything else interesting to the character lest she appear in any way weak.

[@shannonmcelroy8454]

Exactly. Without fully realized characters, it takes a lot more work and time to convince the audience to find investment in the world you're offering.

[@user-oq7gl6vi3e]

Even if Kathleen Kennedy wasn't born, they would just pick someone else with the same thinking to be in that spot

[@stevenschultz9637]

"parity" would imply they would continue making male heroes

[@MrWaffen007]

Fucking awesome.....love your humour and anecdotes

[@2st486]

"Lah Dolkee Viteh" i died XD

[@mr.timebombman2230]

They act as if there's never been strong female leads in these kinds of movies, and that they're doing something new and groundbreaking

[@sidharthcs2110]

Strong Female Character ❌ Strong character that happened to be Female ✅ Everyone loves Sigourney Weaver's Riply

[@Goranh]

your genuine and outright hatred for Kathleen Kennedy makes us brothers, without even knowing you.

[@painfulorwhat8872]

Great stuff! Greetings from England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@Kal-213]

As a woman, I actually mostly prefer male characters. Tbf I like more action movies as opposed to some women, and the male eye candy doesn't hurt either. But I also like women characters who are empathetic, kind, and show strength that isn't always powers-based. Nuance is a thing a lot of movies are missing with female characters. And make women evil more. Not just "misguided and can be drawn back to being good." Take Delilah Briarwood from Vox Machina a few years ago. She was caring and empathetic to her husband while also being a powerful wizard. She didn't use brute strength and was more cunning. But she was still irredeemably evil.

[@vinayvarghese8311]

You are refreshingly sarcastic 😂

[@definitiveedge5096]

"They fail to attract chicks who are Luke warm about fist fights, laser swords, orcs, scrolls, and infinity stones"😂😂😂

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

The issue is that the demand for "girlbosses" and strong female characters has come at a time when blockbuster film writing is at it's absolute worst. Nothing wrong with female characters but recently we have had a massive problem with being fed these underwritten and deeply unlikable female characters who follow the same basic patterns. Perfect women who's only issue is that they have a man in their way and they don't realise how powerful they really are, wow what a bold refreshing new take.

[@jchawkenspoet3099]

The writing that went into this Video is far better than anything Hollywood is putting out lately. 😂

[@RealityCheck6969]

The moral of the story is: Disney please make more womanist, strong, diverse, gender and race swapped female character movies. We all want to enjoy more of these modern, patriarchy challenging pieces of art!

[@dfrenchinski2230]

I really enjoy legitimate heroic behavior. I like strong, well developed characters and plot arc that require the players to turn to each other and say, "I'm dry of notions, what do we do?" When all the characters are able to call upon each others' strengths and help each other negate their weaknesses to achieve a goal, it is entertaining and empowering to have the group dynamic reinforced. Oh, well damn. I like ripped guys, snappy dialog, and soul. And I like strong male heroes and smart women who have something logical to add to the winning of the day.

[@kananimiranda3376]

I almost wish they wouldn’t be making a deadpool 3 because disney might ruin deadpool and wolverine too :( deadpool is exactly that character you talk about snappy come backs. We love that.

[@carllaraway7232]

I see you channeling yours best RedLetterMedia. I enjoyed this video a lot.

[@christopherb2801]

'My point is I don't really like my niece and nephew.' Had me on the floor. Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kagebeast954]

Netflix avatar was also ruined by the girl boss disease.

[@MarcLuscher]

Hilarious AF and well examined. Thanks dude

[@kananimiranda3376]

I figured it out, a light bulb has come on top of my head like a sims triangle thingy, these new women characters are no t being written in the hero’s journey. That is what is missing. The last time i saw this in the movies was probably the first hunger games.

[@unkledoda420]

2:11 - 2:30 wtf? Damn. I don't like Kathleen Kennedy either but you took that to a whole other level. You got a new sub for that one. Laughed so hard i almost pissed myself.

[@RobertDouglasLW]

If you want to see a good movie with an example of how to create a female antagonist who does everything you need the antagonist in a crime film to do, with 0% girlboss tropes. Kerry Condon as Dorieann McCann is an all-star level crime drama villain.

[@CaptainReedo40]

If only coffee had never been invented!!!

[@rkrams1989]

The best superhero female protagonist happened long ago, Jane grey, lara croft, Katniss evergreen. There is also Octavia in 100. Also Marvel did a disservice to that kid who got a chance to play her dream role with bad dialogue.

[@bustercoutee8778]

“I didn’t even buy any books” 😂

[@martinkrog5943]

Mike Stoklasa called, he wants his whole shtick back, please

[@EchoChamberlain]

The 90s called, they want their cliched joke framing back, please.

[@martinkrog5943]

@@EchoChamberlain No offence : ) If you gotta copy/paste a style, RedLetterMedia isn't the worst to follow as a model Keep up the good, if not original, work

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

Buffy would laugh at these new characters. Taylor Hebert would look at them and tell THEM to kiss her ass.

[@MisterGreenGuy]

Furiosa is the latest proof people are SICK of girl boss movies. "They girl bossed a little too close to the sun." -ItsAGundam

[@Tardigradient]

You’re really good at capturing just how awful it is to be an average dude

[@katg-gk5ox]

Subscribing and sharing! Happened to discover this today. Intelligent and funny!

[@Trelane574]

1:52 This quote brings to mind the two-part series premier of Discovery, in which the first impressions of Burnham are built on hyping expectations rather than showing the character making actual accomplishments beyond winning an away mission fight and outwitting the ship's computers to bust out of the brig. Core fans are impressed that the captain and Sarek separately express confidence in Burnham, and the twice-played victim card (the loss of her parents, the court martial) resonates with them. Contrast with DS9's Sisko. In "Emissary" the viewer gets to see what he does best, diplomacy - earlier with Quark and later with the wormhole aliens. He faced a harrowing loss of his own, but the role of that tragedy is not simply to attract sympathy but to set up a vital development in his ability to communicate with the Prophets and to finally come to terms with his wife's death.

[@rachelhouse9187]

Plenty of women have loved comics including myself my whole life in 35. Along with Lord of the rings

[@darrengordon-hill]

Define "loving comics". I liked SOME comics... but I didn't care about things JUST BECAUSE "comic/game IP"!! If I WANT to read a comics, no movie can scratch that itch!! But to many, "It's from a comic" means they HAVE to care about it... like Madame Webb...

[@lazkraft7917]

But do you truly love strong female characters?

[@rachelhouse9187]

There is plenty of female comic book characters that are actually truly great. Plenty. Men make bad films just as much as females do. So to say one gender is better at then the other is a complete lie. Dr strange wasn't popular, male lead, ant man 3 didn't do well, male lead, thor 1 and 2 didn't make much money, male lead, moonlight was bad, male lead. That doesn't mean Male comics are bad.you just a sexist SOB

[@andrewchavez4053]

This video added a whole ton to the Echo Chamberlain lore

[@briandain8432]

Looking back Remember the Original He-man in the 80s? It was popular with Boys cuz it had big manly men and very feminine women. So they cancelled the boy brand, brought in She-mirror Ripoff, and the Brand was dead in a year. It was a Failed Experiment 40 years ago!

[@damiendehorn6350]

"I didn't even buy any books", ....

[@erraticuk]

What is the "female" hero's journey? Does it actually exist?

[@kananimiranda3376]

It did for sarah connor and ripley. And even princess leah became general leah. So in the past writers wrote awesome female characters with the hero’s journey, but now they start out as heroes which is totally boring. I am thinking it is in the writers. There are just a lot of terrible writers now that somehow make full productions but the scripts and characters are boring and not fleshed out. AI could probably write better than at least half if not more of the writers in hollywood now. I am fine with remembering the past iconic female characters though. I don’t need to watch these stupid movies and shows with 1 dimensional girl bosses. It would be a waste of my time. Instead i will rewatch terminator 2, kill bill, working girl, clueless, the original xmen, etc. etc. they may be old, but they are classics when it comes to writing women.

[@uutsii]

A hero’s journey is more triumphant when overcoming adversity. Girl boss story’s have no arch. There also very condescending to their own audience.

[@blockboygames5956]

Profoundly human and insightful. Thank you!

[@RaycrowX]

This was a very Plinkett video and I say that in the most complimentary way possible. Hilarious and I loved it Echo 😁

[@deltavagen9796]

they actually hate themselves

[@rodneymarsden3003]

A boss should listen to subordinates. This goes for men as well as women. Listening doesn't always mean agreeing but it is so arrogant not to listen.