Audio | J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - The Ending of Time - Conversation 5

[@vijayakolli6426]

Thank you for sharing all these talks! Wholeheartedly appreciate. 🙏🙏❤️

[@fos_demetanoia]

Krishnamurti tries again and again, he tries to find ways to make a conditioned mind see that it has always perceived from a frame of comparison, and thus the same frame cannot be used to perceive something absolute. He puts up questions over and over again, chooses very carefully the words,because the moment he uses words, its relative. And it paints an image created by thought.

[@roryleitner1532]

He's asking how to achieve, a state where achieving is left behind.

[@rgmoney14101994]

Who is DM in conversation?

[@inyo_vanlifewithtina]

After their time, Mihaly proved their theory by writing about FLOW which is evidence that the peace they talk about can be achieve through FLOW by freeing your mind from the frame of psychological time

[@sylviagung1007]

Very truly so. With the words he very carefully picks and brings out, he is making himself the precise mirror according to the occasion, what is at hand and the person... with never exhausting patience.

[@becaudkuebena5083]

When we understand what is said, there is automatically a change in the energetic frequency of the body, we become very sensitive. Arriving at this point normally the search ends, and the mind must “recognize this state of being” and let the revolution take place.

[@arabianorangutang]

1:40 - Why have ideas become so important? 8:33 - How do I perceive the “ground” 25:05 - How can you aid me in seeing thought is meaningless? 47:35 - All your knowledge has no value 1:01:21 - Knowledge has only crippled me from seeing the truth

[@SudhirDudeja]

thanks

[@mavanijj]

🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏both have arrived on this planet to help us ❤❤❤

[@padeshan1]

Reminding myself again n again 'You have never done anything like this before' Never ever. listening anything properly is a big thing, and .. listening to this -- huge. TO all who's lintning, remember, wat u r doing is an impossible task. with enough seriousness and alertness, the impossible will happen .

[@topgun3579]

K is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 itself, can't be expressed in words,k only burns🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@renukatandon7463]

though that can not be said in words ..k has done it so beautifully . hats off k.

[@megachetyre]

It is the fire from within whose words we may hear in this conversation

[@padeshan1]

just think - a person who for more than 60 years of his life kept on waking people up from their slumber. that care , compassion is just unfathomable. need we more proof of the fact that this guy was conncted to that infinite energy source ..else a task of this magnitude is just unimaginable

[@Rareme530]

What's the point of validating credentials of K?

[@kooroshrostami27]

Careful there, you are asserting proof so that we can idolize. He might be deceiving us. How do you know all his public talks aren't merely a scheme so that he can live a comfortable life from the donations of a gullible fellowship? Question everything!

[@maracummings9767]

Tremendous ❤

[@Alex11V]

I love you guys

[@fiskjubilee]

I would love to hear Bohm and Krishnamurti have this discussioned with minds that have not been so conditioned with knowledge.

[@mnaveenmohan]

Here are 20 relevant timestamps from the video: 1. Introduction to the fifth dialogue and the nature of the ground: 0:35 2. Discussion on physical change in the brain: 1:16 3. The importance of ideas and concepts: 1:48 4. The distinction between idea and reality: 2:25 5. The challenge of approaching the ground through thought: 2:55 6. Philosophical investigation of wisdom and truth: 3:30 7. The relationship between a religious and a philosophical mind: 5:02 8. Starting from the unknown: 5:34 9. Proving the existence of the ground: 6:10 10. Danger of self-deception and illusion: 7:50 11. Moving away from knowledge to touch the ground: 9:01 12. The idea that the ground cannot be experienced: 10:10 13. Why thought cannot capture the ground: 12:00 14. The limitation of thought in understanding the ground: 18:05 15. The question of whether the human mind can relate to the ground: 18:53 16. The ground not being created by thought: 19:23 17. Understanding the limitation of thought: 24:24 18. The mind’s relationship with the ground: 33:17 19. Rejection of the grace of God as an explanation: 37:00 20. The impact of knowledge being valueless: 48:38

[@emanuellopez8578]

In this specific discussion/video we shouldn't make any interpretation, I'm saying this because there are some comments using "pinpoint" words like *silence* *god* or *thought* I think we can all agree that using this words can confuse some of the viewers/listeners about what was really discussed in this marvelous dialogue.

[@m0mauri]

Again thought always tries to interpret the words in the conversation and not stay with the fact

[@sylviagung1007]

There is no boat to cross. You can't swim across. In fact, you can't do anything about it. ... just drop your ego, then the energy is attracted by your inocence.... But how? Am I even willing to drop it? What is ego? How has it come to being? When? Who started it? Why?

[@ShipraGarg-f7g]

Knowledge may be illusion in itself mind may be illusion😮😮

[@manumaster1990]

super

[@silveriorossiadvogados]

then something new arises when we stop using thought. In the past video Krishinamurt says that insight appears when there is no movement of thought.

[@michaelsaunders6241]

Love K's deep concern for the human condition and how.we must change if there is a possibility.

[@MAYBE673]

Sadly i think everyone commenting here as though they fully comprehend what is being said only do so intellectually, but not with any depth. It’s a depressing thought, but nevertheless true. I like listening to it but i know for a fact i dont comprehend shit or else i would be a different being

[@becaudkuebena5083]

The depth goes beyond the understanding of those of this world, it is in this sense that he said that we had to leave the traces here for future generations perhaps some will be able to understand.

[@nitishgautam5728]

I agree completely that " I " self is just construct made because of conditioning, thinking, and memory but now what I do , what this me ( illusion) do ? I should just accept the fact that I am illusion but still feeling of self is existing

[@sylviagung1007]

@@becaudkuebena5083 Present contains past and future, as K said. But neither contains present, where only so "God" exists. It is omnipresent.... K also said, "It looks awfully difficult, but actually, it is the most simple and practical and logical thing/ way to live".... As I understood him, the "being simple" means I only live in the moment by moment, no past, no future. Another time K said, "live precisely methmathically. No one takes home his office."

[@sylviagung1007]

@@becaudkuebena5083 That's what K said, while he'd been losing all his hopes for the scientists, especially Dr. Bohm, as you say, "Those of this world"...really frustrating. So, please Be in the Next Generations. They are not too far away. Simplicity and honesty are at work. K has just shouted, "SEE. It's There!"

[@robertopuccianti8498]

Wonderfull 🙏🧡

[@renukatandon7463]

yes sir u have done it in me. though can not comment upon xy or z....huge thanks k

[@thircegreat8952]

The center is an illusion, illusion cannot be related to that which is true. 40:49

[@pratik6342]

I guess the answer is ALLOWING ❤

[@Gaurav.P0]

Wow. Best 😍 JK 🙏

[@sylviagung1007]

All the wise men or enlightened persons were selfless. And they said, in one way or another, "Know yourself!"... Do they know themselves? Do I know myself that all my doings and thoughts have done harm to humanity, looking at the way the world is now? "I am the world, and the world is me." And humanity is supposed to be the Master of the Universe... can that sense of responsibility be borne?

[@ashrafulhaque8759]

That DM guy is no help. Unlike Mr. Bohm, he wasn't getting it and keep playing the scientist in him!

[@padeshan1]

an interesting aside, the way K baulks at anything said which leads mankind astray is remarkable .. similarly, I have also noticed the same thing with the interviews with allen andersen ... his immediate reaction when anything suggested by the interviewer seems a distortion ( or deviation ) ..Its like when one touches something sharp .ones finger retracts instantly I think this is an extreme level of awareness or sensitivity if u will . a mind so taut that will not tolerate even the slightest hint of untruth. I dont know how else to descrbe

[@xdude57]

OK i get this now intellectually -

[@BamBhole1]

Yes at the end the new mind is the ground. In the first dialogue k mentions the particular mind, universal mind, emptiness and energy of it and then the ground.

[@BamBhole1]

That's how K seems to be referring that the new mind is the ground.

[@coursefacilitator2342]

Ego is a tenant can’t sell / renovate the house! Whatever u hear , listen to if it becomes knowledge when it makes to say : I get it but how I can go it. Then that knowledge is extra addition to previous entity “me”. Actually u hv to see that trap that’s it! Trap: me can’t think it’s way out because it’s (the culprit of ) self deception.

[@nobodyreally]

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[@nikethannikethan6997]

ok if we realize, that whole my mind is nonsense and meaningless. now i feel happy and relaxed and waiting for my death ,then everything will end and everything will peaceful

[@rusher9864]

even though intellectually i can comprehend but as he said in his book description is not described.

[@Sunil-zv3gv]

1:01:21 ✨

[@vijayfduragannanavar6093]

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[@gyan1791]

Entity made of Maya cannot perceive the truth unless the center of the Maya as me gets blasted .

[@leilamobasserii]

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[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻

[@nikethannikethan6997]

ok if we realize, that whole my mind is nonsense and meaningless. now i feel happy and relaxed and waiting for my death ,then everything will end and everything will peaceful

[@nitishgautam5728]

It's like you are withdrawal from problem, scaping reality won't be Satisfying in The END

[@bhuwan.chaturvedi]

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[@mishadekoning4024]

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