Audio | J. Krishnamurti - Malibu 1971 - Dialogue with Alain Naudé 1 - The circus of man’s struggle

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J. Krishnamurti - Malibu 1971 - Dialogue with Alain Naudé 1 - The circus of man’s struggle
Why do we divide the world, the human being and the divine?
When I realise that my consciousness is the consciousness of the world, and the consciousness of the world is me, whatever change takes place in me affects the whole of consciousness.
Can human consciousness undergo a radical change?
To find out if there is something beyond this consciousness I must understand the content of consciousness. The mind must go beyond itself.
Do we realise that the observer, seeing the content, examining, analysing, looking at it all, is the content itself?
If there is no thought, there is no thinker.
If the observer is the observed, what is the nature of change in consciousness?
Man has become accustomed to take it for granted that will is the only way to bring about change, but will is not the factor of change.
Consciousness only exists when there is conflict between fragments.
Radical revolution in consciousness and of consciousness takes place when there is no conflict at all.
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[@hanifamenen1082]

Absolutely love this discussion! Thank-you K and team that is sharing with the world! 🙏🙏🙏

[@solomit1]

Amazing dynamic between the two this guy knows how to get the best out of K

[@otaviofigueiredo3047]

One of the best k's dialog! Naudé has a cleary way to put ideas and his aprouch is very deep. Thanks for share!!

[@marvingainsborougify]

Naudé was his secretary in the 60ies I think. His manner of questioning K brought K to express himself more clearly.

[@Simha009]

The supreme Knowledge very deep very true .. Hats off to you J.K

[@jose-oq9hy]

he would not agree with the word "knowledge" that you have used

[@jose-oq9hy]

it is impressive how accurate and lively is every detail explained

[@Armira12]

Excellent 🤯☺️thank you for keeping this video available .

[@yeshajariwala]

The human thoughts have created all religions. So conflicts which ends in wars. There is no religion higher than TRUTH. We are human beings and so humanity is the only religion. Be Good and Do Good. Kindness is the language which a blind can see and deaf can hear. When the heart is pure and mind is clear than God is near. When the ego is zero you are the real hero. Live in present with full choiceless awareness and enjoy each moment. You are the world and World is in you.

[@norepetitivebeats]

A great clear and concise presentation. We are now nearly 50 years on, but I ask myself, are we, humanity, really any closer to having nearly enough people realising the fundamental message spoken about in this interview? Have we gone backwards from this point? Are people generally more asleep than ever today than even back then in 1971? I just can't decide.

[@pawandeepkohli3486]

We will never know, cause what will come up as answers is our 'ego' and 'selective intellect'

[@sricharanyellajosyula1867]

This is perhaps the only interviewer who has understood jk fully well

[@marvingainsborougify]

Naudé makes believe he has understood but he isn't willing to change. His understanding is merely verbal

[@ishapattanashettar9504]

Thank you sir 🙏🙏

[@mikeq5807]

Essentially, the discussion is addressing wúwéi, the Dào principle of effortless living, living in harmony with the chaos, understanding that there is a transcendent Intelligence in all that exists.

[@wdwdHenry9022]

Started reading awakening intelligence book thats how I found these talks.

[@solomit1]

Content of consciousness is when there is conflict observer and observed. When conflict stops there’s no content the observer is the observed transformation happens naturally the mind is free moved beyond conditioned entity

[@PaddyB92]

Fascinating

[@thejvmaster]

❤

[@corpuscallosum5881]

There is the "conditioned origination", K's "relation in movement" , that's missing in this conversation, though. Conditioned origination is the manifesting velocity of this dichotomous, phenomenal world. Trials, triumphs and tribulations in eccentric interpretations, not just limited to humans but impacted exponentially by us. The fish is still swimming in the water, even if it intellectually realizes it's the water itself. To swim without the center but a physical dot in the flow of the water, that's true relation in movement. T4P.

[@AmanV.]

Would you please be kind enough to explain what you said sir?

[@rajubapat5101]

It seems that Mr Naude has received that Fragrance around 1970 and must be in contact with the Secred, and therefore, there is no need for him, to be in touch with JK anymore thereafter physically. Then we can say, he was not different from JK.

[@dineshrajuthangavel6328]

Alian naude sounds exactly like whiterose from Mr. Robot

[@ramongomez8849]

🙏🏻

[@Sophie88889]

Naude is full of theory and ideas, is enormously annoying

[@BamBhole1]

Bingo

[@19grand]

who is Naude?

[@djnima]

19grand "Alain Naudé, who for a period was Krishnamurti’s private secretary, died recently in California. His passing was sudden and unexpected as, at the age of 85, he seemed in reasonably good health. He met Krishnamurti in 1963. Alain was then a music lecturer at Pretoria University and a professional concert pianist. He gave up his teaching and performing in 1964 to work with Krishnamurti. Fluent in several languages, he was immensely helpful at international gatherings and in attracting younger audiences for Krishnamurti. He had several dialogues with Krishnamurti which were recorded and transcribed. Alain left the Krishnamurti work in the late 1960s and then made his home in California where he practised homeopathy and tutored gifted musical students. When he left the Krishnamurti work his lively wit and very practical helpfulness were much missed. " - Mary Cadogan, Krishnamurti Foundation Trust

[@ruchigupta907]

I wonder why did Naude leave Krishnamurty??

[@tanvis4534]

@@ruchigupta907 I feel as one listen to his part in these dialogues that he had great awareness which was not ordinary. For sure his questioning and way of listening and receiving was way more sophisticated then most of those who had discussions with K. I feel his insight into his - 'self' might have made him to chose to move away and do what he felt was more relevant and meaningful to him. It's just what I feel. But Alan Naude has done great deal for us, the listener, having bought out the dimension in K that we get to hear in these discussions.

[@tanvis4534]

@@ruchigupta907 the thing is the moment you realise the self and it cease to exist psychologically and one cease to follow another/any idealogy however big pure/godly/amazing/intelligent (whatever adjective one want to give) it may be. That's really what happens, in case Alan Naude had realised the nature of the self, probably he moved away!!! I think it's beautiful if that happened because K would have then seen at least Alan flower and discover the real nature of self, as he kept pointing out for the whole of his life in his talks and discussions! :)

[@djmileski]

Holy shit balls! Amazing

[@vcb7237]

Naudé doesn't let K speak even. Annoying.

[@ronin3635]

The interviewer was really annoying. Just kept interrupting every second, yes sir, yes sir. Let the man speak, we want to hear J talk not you

[@bye7451]

j murti must be shouting from heaven " disorder ...!!!!"