Audio-Technica LP-120 Phono Bypass Mod

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Tech Tangents

Tech Tangents

5 жыл бұрын

I wanted to know if there really is anything to the phono mod on the LP-120. So I took a good long look at exactly what happens to the phono audio before and after the mod.
Wow that was a much longer video than I had planned to make. But hopefully being thorough in my explination of the turntable will help make it clear why there is a problem and what exactly changes when you fix it. It would have been easy to avoid this problem if the switch had instead was used to control the input for connect the phono out to the DRV602 or the RCA out instead of switching the output. If you don't care about the lack of differential stereo output, it might be possible to modify the PCB to work that way instead.
The final results of the comparison amount to:
Stock phono out: Reduces volume above 3kHz
Line out: Mostly fine, may have slight reduction in mid tones
USB: Must be set to line or else has all the flaws of phono
Modded phono: Perfect, because that's how it works.
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@vwestlife
@vwestlife 5 жыл бұрын
FYI: only a felt platter mat is a "slipmat", because it is designed to slip on the platter to allow DJs to cue up records. The rubber platter mat you have grips the platter rather than slips on it, so it is not a slipmat.
@7John
@7John 5 жыл бұрын
That's like saying only a Kleenex is a Kleenex, and not any tissue, though many people say, "give me a Kleenex" when they want a tissue--any old tissue. My point is: people are in the habit of calling things by official names instead of the proper names, and there is no harm to it.Would you say that if someone doesn't call it a rubber mat instead of a slip mat that their enjoyment of playing a record is less?You may be thinking you're educating him, but it comes across as "I have a vinyl channel so I know it all". Better to pick your battles and not count every angel on the head of a pin, and let people call things as they wish--or you may find that there are less channels about vinyl, and is that what you want???
@ThriftyAV
@ThriftyAV 5 жыл бұрын
More like Kleenex and Toilet Paper, as they serve different purposes. Maybe to you this comes across as "know-it-all" but to at least 29 folks (and counting) who thumbed up VW's comment, this distinction is worth noting.
@7John
@7John 5 жыл бұрын
ThriftyAV So is mine-and I don’t have to have 29 people to agree with me to know I’m right.
@dreyn7780
@dreyn7780 2 жыл бұрын
@@7John you've been reported for bullying and harrasment, john. This isn't 1980. You're not allowed to attack people anymore.
@denizenofclownworld4853
@denizenofclownworld4853 2 жыл бұрын
@@7John "I'm allowed to be stupid because lots of other people are also stupid." - You
@JessicaFEREM
@JessicaFEREM 5 жыл бұрын
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@eduardoavila646
@eduardoavila646 5 жыл бұрын
True
@LaskyLabs
@LaskyLabs 5 жыл бұрын
UMG... More like... Unwelcome Money Grabbers!
@moth.monster
@moth.monster 5 жыл бұрын
He showed the album without being claimed!
@sks2002
@sks2002 5 жыл бұрын
The prodigy are under BMG and they are well known for blocking videos worldwide.
@lucasbrown1610
@lucasbrown1610 5 жыл бұрын
I love how every time you introduce another object, You would start with a deep "ThiS" 100/100
@boxman139
@boxman139 5 жыл бұрын
One of the most satisfying things in the world for me is the tone of voice you use for saying “this” when introducing something.
@markm0000
@markm0000 5 жыл бұрын
boxman139 t h i s
@onometre
@onometre 5 жыл бұрын
what about when doug demuro says this
@markm0000
@markm0000 5 жыл бұрын
onometre It’s not the same. Zero emphasis and goes right into the topic. Doug is known for your gf’s “quirks and features”.
@ewigerschuler3982
@ewigerschuler3982 3 жыл бұрын
In the world? You must be exaggerating.
@boxman139
@boxman139 3 жыл бұрын
Ewiger Schüler no cap
@hanro50
@hanro50 5 жыл бұрын
TF2 released its soundtrack on record and I believe Valve doesn't really care how its used except if its used in other games and such
@eduardoavila646
@eduardoavila646 5 жыл бұрын
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@poiuytrewq4645
@poiuytrewq4645 5 жыл бұрын
@@eduardoavila646 google it, I think its in the valve merch store thino
@eduardoavila646
@eduardoavila646 5 жыл бұрын
@@poiuytrewq4645 But i dont think valve actually ships a vinyl and i doubt even more that they ship internationally
@poiuytrewq4645
@poiuytrewq4645 5 жыл бұрын
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@hanro50
@hanro50 5 жыл бұрын
www.amazon.com/Fight-Songs-Music-Team-Fortress/dp/B01N6TFP8R Found it and it delivers internationally. I'm not in the US...
@djdjukic
@djdjukic 5 жыл бұрын
Huh, I thought it was going to be a really subtle thing, but it wasn't, not only could you tell by the cymbals but the entire high frequency range is subdued. It's like they intentionally added a low-pass filter to the phono out. Interesting, and good mod!
@draketungsten74
@draketungsten74 5 жыл бұрын
It is really subtle if you can't hear anything above 12kHz. :)
@alanorange9376
@alanorange9376 4 жыл бұрын
I think they did it so people would go buy their higher end cartridges.
@LaskyLabs
@LaskyLabs 5 жыл бұрын
*When the cable is permanently attached to something.* "Now I have no choice but to use the box! Not only that, but at the end of this, one of the little pitchforks is chewed off. That means I have no way of replacing the box! You think that makes me happy?! *IT DOESN'T* "
@howl3098
@howl3098 5 жыл бұрын
This avgn reference made me laugh too much.
@LaskyLabs
@LaskyLabs 5 жыл бұрын
That was my goal. :3
@panda-goat
@panda-goat 5 жыл бұрын
Classic 😁
@TechTangents
@TechTangents 5 жыл бұрын
If you don't want to sit through 35m of record player dissection(and I don't really blame you) you can skip to 19:30 for how I recommend modding the turntable to avoid some little problems and 24:57 to get to the meat of comparison. There are 1500ft of grooves on each _side_ of a record. Not per-record, oops.
@TristanSpeno
@TristanSpeno 5 жыл бұрын
AkBKukU I just got the notification how did you comment 1 hour ago?
@maltoNitho
@maltoNitho 5 жыл бұрын
Tristan Speno He commented when the video was still unlisted and you received the notification when it was made public.
@CallanChristensen
@CallanChristensen 5 жыл бұрын
@@TristanSpeno It was a Patreon pre-release viewer correction while it was still unlisted.
@TristanSpeno
@TristanSpeno 5 жыл бұрын
Oh ok 👍
@LucIndustries
@LucIndustries 4 жыл бұрын
Just skipping to the mod was my initial plan and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for your soothing way of talking. I ended up watching the whole thing and subscribing. Damn you akbkuku
@m.9243
@m.9243 5 жыл бұрын
I have done the exact same mod on my LP120, however.. ..I bought high quality proper RCA sockets with lags at the back so, I could solder directly the internal cable on to them and thus, eliminate another unnecessary connection in the signal path and... ..just a suggestion for anyone that will try doing this, please take the platter off before you turn the table upside down on its lid. If you don't there's a real possibility it may come of the main bearing and fall on the acrylic screen damaging it. Paranoid?.. better safe than sorry! Excellent video and very helpful with all the graphics. Thanks!
@philip6502
@philip6502 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely the best explanation of the phono line I have seen/heard. I just bought the Bluetooth version last month. Thanks for your info.
@Madness832
@Madness832 5 жыл бұрын
Your other cartridge appears to be an AT95E. Quite (IMO) a good performer that deserves a listen.
@gustavgurke9665
@gustavgurke9665 5 жыл бұрын
I love how this channel is improving over time and yet it always stays the same.
@iamdavidray
@iamdavidray 2 жыл бұрын
I bought this turntable in 2010 and this video gave me the courage to try this mod today! Thank you!
@d.logic1
@d.logic1 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! A couple of years ago, the channel Vinyl TV did the bypass and he was able to use his own personal recording to show the differences in the high range frequency. It's very noticeable. In the end, I think it's best to bypass the preamp altogether and just use an external amp. As for the platter, it probably has the belt rim on it because it's used on a different model. Just a cost saving measure. I used to have the Shure M97xE and it's a great cartridge and excellent for archiving. After having it for a few years, I was able to tell when the stylist was going out. I now use the Ortofon 2M Red cartridge but I do miss the brush on the M97xE.
@vaughntonkin539
@vaughntonkin539 4 жыл бұрын
I removed the 4 parts Craig pointed out, that means I still have USB without degraded treble, but I still get buzz, ground wire hasn't fixed it (only works on mains grounded power amps) Hopefully a thicker audio lead might help, if it doesn't I might have to remove the USB to reduce signal path and it is too close for comfort in regard to the fig8 mains jack
@MarkyShaw
@MarkyShaw 5 жыл бұрын
Man I'm a huge fan of the LP-120s. Good guy on KZbin, Vinyl Eyez convinced me on that one! Especially with a nice cartridge! I love those Shures. Seems like you can never go wrong with their brand. Sweet mod too, man. Really sounds fantastic. Curious on what your favorite records to jam on that thing might be?
@dreyn7780
@dreyn7780 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong. You can't even tell if it was a tuning or a detuning. Joe Satriani, surfing with the alien, latest version without joe's solos
@robertlandrum1971
@robertlandrum1971 5 жыл бұрын
1 mile = 5,280 feet 1 LP = 1,500 feet 1 mile = 3.5 LPs
@mike73ng
@mike73ng 4 жыл бұрын
Robert Landrum Correct. It always bothers me when someone goes to all the effort to make a video supposedly espousing knowledge but then screws up such a simple statement. Kind of makes one think about the validity of subsequent statements.
@MARTIN201199
@MARTIN201199 3 жыл бұрын
Today I walked like 1.5 LPs to school
@djbryanladd
@djbryanladd 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I really enjoyed this.
@Trekkie4
@Trekkie4 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I realize that the video was made long before LP120X and 140XP were introduced, but if you want clean signal just go for one of the two newer models. I recommend 140XP, as it doesn't have preamp or USB like the 120X does. That being said, the newer model no longer have these issues, so if you're on budget, go for 120X.
@OGSERB
@OGSERB 4 жыл бұрын
That was awesome. I have a 120 I don’t use anymore I wouldn’t mind trying this with
@bidensapedoooo
@bidensapedoooo Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video I just did this following your quick guide I had to slow down some parts just to make sure I was wiring it correctly now it sounds so much better!
@elliotthewitt7464
@elliotthewitt7464 5 жыл бұрын
The Prodigy 12" single was very unexpected. Nice taste in music.
@TheDeeplyCynical
@TheDeeplyCynical 5 жыл бұрын
RIP Keith
@appliedengineering4001
@appliedengineering4001 4 жыл бұрын
To answer your question @ 19:00 in the video. Those ancillary components around the op-amp are there because phono pre-amps need to apply the RIAA curve to the signal before it can be amplified to line level. Without that RIAA curve applied. You will get very loud treble and next to no bass.
@thepthepthep
@thepthepthep 4 жыл бұрын
@14:00 The reason why there's holes in the platter for changing the belt is because the LP-120 is actually made by a Taiwanese OEM named Hanpin, and they make a variation of it which uses a belt drive mech as opposed to direct drive.
@codebeat4192
@codebeat4192 4 жыл бұрын
Separated phono grounds doesn't make any sense because at the amp they are tied together. You can test this with a RCA cable connected to the amp and use a multimeter between left and right ground. Shielding is not a ground and should not tied to ground. The shielding inside the turntable (at the output of the tone arm) acts like a faraday cage (take a look at the waving of shield) to block interference from the outside. It is okay to connect shielding to shielding however never connect it to ground.
@erwindewit4073
@erwindewit4073 5 жыл бұрын
Cool! Thorough, informative and pretty deep.. I like it.. And supported by really doing the comparisons the proper way! The non modified version of the line out was surprisingly close to the modified one.. And Hanpin also makes belt drive turntables, so being able to reuse the platter saves money 😀 I am still curious what that thing sounds like. I use a vintage turntable (rebuilt Thorens TD-124) which is basically all mechanical and electrical. No pitch control, no voltage regulation regarding speed, just very nice build quality and a great strobe.. But does it really sound better? And, more to the point, measure better? I wonder..
@jeffstockton534
@jeffstockton534 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this. Excellent work, and very helpful and informative.
@Tedsville
@Tedsville 7 ай бұрын
I have an atlpw50pb which has an issue where both the pre-amped and phono outputs sound awful and I've found exactly one other person on the internet that has this same issue with the same TT. I'm going to give this mod a go before I try getting a new TT - thanks so much for the detailed video :)
@mikes266
@mikes266 4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff as always!
@sagadiablo
@sagadiablo 5 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, sudden unexpected Akbkuku face cam. Kinda startled me. :D
@alynicholls3230
@alynicholls3230 Жыл бұрын
your spot on about components, some EE's love passive components a little too much, I've seen allsorts of added passives to FM reciever ic's that just dont need them, just to name one instance.
@generatorlabs
@generatorlabs 5 жыл бұрын
I think most of the supporting components surrounding the TI chip are there for RIAA equalization, which is kind of mandatory if you want a pleasant response curve from commercially recorded records. Your Pioneer receiver should have a similar equalization circuit internally. The quality/design of this circuit is one of many reasons why one phono stage sounds different from the rest.
@brucetowell3432
@brucetowell3432 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting, I know this was 4 years ago, and do not know if you are answering questions still? But did you change your stylus/cartridge as well when making the updated modifications by removing the stock pre-amp inside? And what size speakers are you using now with this LP 120? thanks in advance
@daviddavidsonn3578
@daviddavidsonn3578 5 жыл бұрын
31:00 these are keystone jack RCA, you can put them in a wallplate or in a keystone patch panel. Just like RJ45 keystone.
@markm0000
@markm0000 5 жыл бұрын
This is awesome! Great research and results. Only difference I would have made is a usb port to power the external preamp for one less power brick.
@dreyn7780
@dreyn7780 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong.
@markm0000
@markm0000 2 жыл бұрын
@@dreyn7780 Go outside and touch grass.
@Ephiestis
@Ephiestis 5 жыл бұрын
As soon as you pulled out that banjo-kazooie record out, The jealousy was intense, and immediate. I envy you, good sir! Where did you manage to get ahold of that?
@Stelios.Posantzis
@Stelios.Posantzis 4 жыл бұрын
If you're after a clear vinyl mat you can cut obtain some transparent vinyl table cover sheet. You can probably obtain these in shops that sell kitchen utensils, housewares etc. The sheets come in various thicknesses so choose what you think will suit you best. You'll need to cut a few disks out of it and stack them on top of one another. Word to the wise: vinyl sheets tend to stick together very well and the the layered mat produced this way will actually be quite hard. I do not advise using this on top of any felt mat due to the dissimilar sound propagation and rigidity properties of the two materials.
@bulletz4life
@bulletz4life 4 жыл бұрын
I’m using an acrylic mat on top of a thick rubber mat on this turntable, and I compared the results of both the rubber and acrylic. Surprisingly, the bass response is considerably better on the acrylic. Just thought I’d share.
@g2skinny
@g2skinny 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video dude
@ktriebler
@ktriebler 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, dude. Don't known if it's been mentioned here before (won't go through 193 comments), but: what you forgot is to test the USB port after modding the preamp. Does it still show different results with either setting of the line-in/phono switch?
@PileOfEmptyTapes
@PileOfEmptyTapes 5 жыл бұрын
If your AT-LP120 is a slightly older one, you may want to order the replacement antiskating spring as well, unless that's already been done. The original stock one was found to be too weak, to the point where there effectively wasn't much of any antiskating going on at all. This was only fixed in production units quite recently. Some people are not exactly fond of the tonearm bearings on this and other Hanpin OEM 'tables either (too much slack and friction), but it is what it is.
@vaughntonkin539
@vaughntonkin539 4 жыл бұрын
You can easily adjust the gimbal bearings, if it's slack, tighten it till there is no play
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 5 жыл бұрын
That is a beautiful pioneer! I use an SX750 which is much the same but an earlier model it seems. Mine lacks the power meters, and my tape monitor selection is a single 3 position switch. Your connectors on the back are also virticle, mine sit on a ledge which makes them all face upwards. And that has always been a weak point of mine... But the sound... OMG the sound is great! Plenty of power too! I think they are rated 50 watts per channel.
@maltoNitho
@maltoNitho 5 жыл бұрын
25:05 had me rolling. Those headphones and that pose. 🤣
@robertorodriguez2609
@robertorodriguez2609 5 жыл бұрын
there's something i don't get: doesn't the line out signal come from the built-in phono preamp? and doesn't the phono out signal need to go into an external phono preamp?
@bryanladdproductions6184
@bryanladdproductions6184 3 жыл бұрын
You're remarkable dude.
@msthalamus2172
@msthalamus2172 3 жыл бұрын
What's the brand and name of the soft vinyl mat you're using? I may want to try it out. I had the exact static-sticking-the-record-to-the-mat problem you're describing, only with a (very well reviewed) rubber mat I'd tried. I've had better luck with the felt mat that came with my turntable, but it's still problematic. Battling static is the primary thing that keeps me streaming FLAC instead of playing vinyl records, unless I have a ton of free time to try to de-static everything. I seldom have the time anymore.
@xaenon
@xaenon 4 жыл бұрын
Apparently there was a belt-drive version of this turntable. With the bottom off, you can see an artifact of where the small DC motor would have been mounted.
@joshdeleon4078
@joshdeleon4078 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the informative video, I just did the same process to my lp120 but i'm having trouble getting a signal out of the left channel. I wired everything according to your video and removed the jumper smd. the strange thing is when i unplug the right channel rca slightly(the sleeve is no longer making contact) i'll get a signal through the left speaker. i'm guessing its a grounding issue but i can't seem to figure out whats happening. thanks again!
@bikerdave1274
@bikerdave1274 5 жыл бұрын
Instantly thought of Abom79 while watching the turntable wobble. Might be worth giving him a shout as it could be an interesting project turning a a turntable that would run perfectly 🤔😁
@seansweeney3532
@seansweeney3532 Жыл бұрын
Yea. I was really curious about how you would deal with this comparison. Considering the RIAA EQ curve. I kind of feel less informed than when I started watching. My AT turntable has a noticeable hum... not sure if it is the pre inside or wiring... sigh
@nostromo218
@nostromo218 5 жыл бұрын
The ground wire you added. What did you connect that to inside? (or from I guess) to hook to the receiver. I got a pair of 80's Sharps, an RP-113 and RP-119 and neither one has it. I though it was odd, but it didn't look like it was missing so i didn't read into it. Forgive me if it is foolish to ask, but is it worth it to add it back in?
@eugene4817
@eugene4817 4 жыл бұрын
My TT seems to randomly turn preamp off/on when signal is close to none, e.g. it sometimes cuts off in between LP tracks. Also evident when motor is stopped, I drop stylus on a disk and listen - some very faint static and then off/on. First noticed it when was recording to tape while monitoring with headphones. Anti skate somewhat works thou, with same cart - Shure 97x set with VTF to 1.25 I found anti skate needs to be around 4.25. Will have to open it up and delete preamp. Thinking of getting Shiit Mani now...
@Arcturian1111
@Arcturian1111 Жыл бұрын
Is there a physical switch to shut off the preamp on the ATLP120 if I'm using an older Reciever with phono inputs.
@MacXpert74
@MacXpert74 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. One little issue with the comparison is that the left and right channel were swapped on the first line and phono recording compared to the USB and later phono recording. Direct comparison therefore isn't really possible from the video because the sound changes when left and right gets swapped between the samples.
@xaenon
@xaenon 3 жыл бұрын
I am curious about something. If you're bypassing the preamplifier board, would it not be better to simply take the signal straight off the tone arm? What is the purpose of the other circuit board with regard to the audio signal?
@tfgward7889
@tfgward7889 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder where you store all your awesome stuff
@arupnath3477
@arupnath3477 2 жыл бұрын
Great ..Turntable 💕👍
@carlosmarrasca
@carlosmarrasca 4 жыл бұрын
Great video
@guycrew728
@guycrew728 5 жыл бұрын
Lol. I love that bug hunt shirt.
@dawidczajkowski2442
@dawidczajkowski2442 5 жыл бұрын
This graphic equalizer is gorgeous! Could you please write what model it is?
@CallanChristensen
@CallanChristensen 5 жыл бұрын
Optimus 31-2025 (95%) sure.
@frederickwilliams2183
@frederickwilliams2183 3 жыл бұрын
To hear the Cymbals at 28:28, I used apple earbuds plugged into my laptop, changed settings to 1080. Minor sound, but definitely there. Difference not that dramatic, but noteworthy.. . Probably wouldn't have noticed unless pointed out. Using only Acer's monitor speakers, I could not tell.
@Andrew-eh1bj
@Andrew-eh1bj 5 жыл бұрын
Man I`ll tell you.The ground is the same troughout youre hole sistem.It`s continuity between all your rca grounds behind the amplifier.Even the ground cable for phono(behind the amplifier) is connected.Separating the rca grounds is useless because in the amplifier they will be connected to a single point.Another thing is the self grounding of a turntable.you can easily connect the ground of the cartridge to the spring inside the lp120 by internal wire.The sound is not affected and there will be a cable less. Other than that great video! keep up good work buddy!
@eformance
@eformance 5 жыл бұрын
Since you are running differential signals to the receiver, what's the point of having an external ground?
@TechTangents
@TechTangents 5 жыл бұрын
That's a good question, I hadn't considered it. I'm going to guess the chassis ends up with a slight 60Hz buzz and the long parallel metal of the tone arm can affect it via induction. Grounding the turntable to the receiver matches the grounds so the buzz is the same on both and then not going to be amplified.
@TheBudgie29
@TheBudgie29 4 жыл бұрын
I have done about 20 of these TT cause the Owners did not or could not do It themselves. Put down a Clean or New thick towel on the work surface before tipping It over. Even the smallest specs of dust will destroy the Lid. Do not take the Original wire out or DE-Solder as shown here. Roll It up Into a coil and tape It up, Then lay It flat In the Empty space back of the tonearm and tape It down. Do not unscrew the Pre-Amp again as shown here leave It In. Now follow the procedure that Is shown here. Now there are 8 Little Brass spacers that will fall off from the top of the Screw holders. Collect these and make sure You have ALL of them. After You have done the MODS Shown Here. Put the Base Plate back on, And before You put the screws In, Drop the Brass Spacers Into the holes first. Then put In the Screw In and carefully make sure that I has gone through the Spacer. Now tighten down flip over and Enjoy the Music. PS I have also done the Anti-Skate but that Is another story.
@colinray171
@colinray171 4 жыл бұрын
This is an underrated comment! I didn't know about the spacers at first and only realized there was a problem when I had screwed the whole thing together and heard them bouncing around inside. So far I've found 7 of the 8...that last one's going to be the death of me.
@TheBudgie29
@TheBudgie29 4 жыл бұрын
@@colinray171 Yes It has probably gone under the Circuit Board, i had one do that on Me First time I cracked one Open. Just keep moving It around till It drops out. Good Luck, And Thanks.
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 5 жыл бұрын
Most turntables come with attached RCA phono out leads, as phono cartridges are designed to have a certain 'cable' load (mainly capacitance). Using a fixed lead means this should not really change, whereas if they used RCA sockets, then any cable could be used, changing the loading. Doing as you have means you have the stock cable along with your added cable meaning (in theory) high end loss, the very point of your mod project.... The preamp IC on your turntables board has a lot of extra components, as you found, above and beyond what is in the IC's data sheet, these will be for the RIAA equalization curve. Phono pre-amps are NOT a flat response beast, hence extra components. I'd be more inclined to have the stock RCA lead hanging out for normal direct cartridge output, BUT connect those new RCA sockets you fitted to the internal preamp board. This way should you want to use the preamp/line-out/USB socket, then you just plug the phono RCA lead into the new sockets to feed it back to the internal preamp circuit board.
@larryshaver3568
@larryshaver3568 3 жыл бұрын
I agree the grounds should NEVER be shorted together, it causes hum
@efenditube
@efenditube 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you !
@rezR2
@rezR2 2 жыл бұрын
can i just disconnect the power wire to the pre amp and it make a difference?
@XtremeKremaTor
@XtremeKremaTor 5 жыл бұрын
There must be a capacitor in the path of the sound when you flip the switch that affect the sound this way
@xaenon
@xaenon 3 жыл бұрын
A capacitor and an inductor, actually.
@eduardoavila646
@eduardoavila646 5 жыл бұрын
In that grey area in youtube there is also not very known old music. Most ones i've found that aren't flagged, are pre-1930's ones, usually more "indie" ones Also old tracker music and 'modplugs' seem to be pretty much safe too apparently, unless if used in very known games such as team17 games. The most safe ones are probably the tracker ones. It only took 3 years from shazam (an app) and youtube to actually recognize some old music from a tv show i was looking for (Lover's Serenade · Alan Moorhouse to be precise). So some other old music may endup in a database due to some movie using it or somehow it being bought by some company like umg.
@bakedbeans6
@bakedbeans6 5 жыл бұрын
I've been using this exact turntable for a few years and I never realized that little lever was used to lower the tonearm. DERP
@rokero171
@rokero171 5 жыл бұрын
I guess there is an LPF on the phono out of the turntable or some weird impedance shit happening, that high end roll off is really audible even with crappy headphones, and also the bass on the modded phono out and on the line out is tighter. I thought that the song used wasn't gonna be good to compare, but even on a sound source so lacking of high end there is a difference, I imagine on a song with really defined high end how the original phono out can affect.
@steveskipper6473
@steveskipper6473 5 жыл бұрын
I own a newer Audio Technica AT-LP5 deck and if I turn the mains power off I still get phono output (I hear audio by physically turning the turntable) so it would appear Audio Technica have isolated the phono and line level on their newer decks. Is that correct?
@TechTangents
@TechTangents 5 жыл бұрын
On the LP-120 the stock phono out is directly connected to the output through the switch, but it isn't isolated. So you can move the platter when it's off to get sound, but it's still being affected by the circuit. Looking at this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4jTaI16oZKcesU Yours is a different pre-amp board, and I can see they've added a ground connector. But it looks like it's using all the same components. It may just be a new layout of the same schematic with different connectors. Without being able to see both sides it's hard to say. The easiest test would probably be to listen for the dip in volume if you turn it off while it is playing over phono. Or record something over USB and compare the spectrograms between phono and line to see if there is less noise and a high frequency reduction.
@vaughntonkin539
@vaughntonkin539 4 жыл бұрын
@@TechTangents I would use a short cable to connect the RCA jacks to tonearm wires, that cheap 3 ft cord will add too much capacitance to the final load since another yard of cable is connected, you should have gone to electronics hobby shop instead of hardware store that don't carry solderable RCA jacks
@RonFerlman
@RonFerlman Жыл бұрын
so what you're saying is vinyl records aren't 100% lossless unless this mod is done? at least where this turn table is concerned?
@mechadrake
@mechadrake 5 жыл бұрын
we in a strange dystopia timeline, where you cannot play stuff on stuff you demontrate, which is made to play stuff. and you have the coolest stuff. did not know that prodigy thing egaisted or the banjo. I did not get any players into my old stuff collection yet, got one record of local band tho (they make most cool folkrock stuff).
@DetroitDan2
@DetroitDan2 3 жыл бұрын
At the beginning you said there was no ground terminal. I have one and it does have a ground? Also, my skills are not great but can follow your instructions. Should I just try using the Turntables preamp? I have a modern Pioneer Elite VSX-LX304 and LP-120 USB.
@JoeOrber
@JoeOrber 2 жыл бұрын
I've been using mine with the internal turntable Preamp and it sounds great. Also, if yo do this mod you'll loose the USB output and need an external ADC if you want to digitize a record
@SJRC
@SJRC 5 жыл бұрын
i love your slipmat of weird al yankovic :)
@terrymoore711
@terrymoore711 Жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to send my atlp120usb for mod
@treperrys
@treperrys 3 жыл бұрын
at 16:30 you point out the jumpers that connect the signal from the cartridge to the phone preamp. Couldn't one just remove those jumpers? Also, you mentioned the power connector. I am wondering if the signal degradation would be minimized if the power to the phono pre was disconnected? I wouldn't think so. I believe the problem is that the cartridge is being loaded with the internal phono pre and the external phono pre at the same time. That is not a good thing.
@blitzjon
@blitzjon 5 жыл бұрын
Well done video. I have a newer LP120 and the guts are slightly different now. I'm curious if the coloration still exists. I opened mine intending to mod, noticed it was different, and closed it back up for a later day. Also, the newer ones no longer have hardwired cables.
@ralphdaub
@ralphdaub 4 ай бұрын
What was attached at 23:45? I did this mod and I'm getting humming with my Cambridge 551p preamp. For the ground, I just attached spades to the springy thing where other ground spades were attached. Thinking whether I should attach a thick ground cable directly to the braided ground.
@unpluggedlamp
@unpluggedlamp 3 ай бұрын
Did that work? I also did this mod on a PL-120 (non usb) and am getting a hum when the volume is cranked. Is that normal? Music sounds great but knowing that hum is there is killing me
@ralphdaub
@ralphdaub 2 ай бұрын
@@unpluggedlamp thicker ground cables didn't solve it, but I think it helped a bit. I ended up trying to re-wire things, then went overboard and tried to rewire the whole tonearm... broke it in the process. Now I'm waiting for a replacement. 😅
@SilverGreen93
@SilverGreen93 5 жыл бұрын
Can you add in the description the link to the wav/flac files recorded from the other Vinyl to compare for myself the differences?
@TechTangents
@TechTangents 5 жыл бұрын
I can't legally distribute full recordings of the music I used so I'm afraid I can't do that. Using it for demonstration purposes falls under fair use, that's the only reason I used "real" music at all.
@1991Drumkiller
@1991Drumkiller 4 жыл бұрын
Hi there! I did this mod, exactly the way you did it, and I am getting a bad hum, I'm assuming from not a good ground connection? When the ground is not connected, the hum is much much worse than when it is. But it is still present. Is there anyway to getting around this?
@1991Drumkiller
@1991Drumkiller 4 жыл бұрын
Update... I remembered something that I did when I was inside the record player, and a little light bulb went off in my brain. I removed the ground wire that takes the shielding ground to the spring. Opened it up, soldered it back, and no more buzz.
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret 5 жыл бұрын
That Banjo Kazooie turd colored record is the most beautiful and pointless thing I've ever seen.
@deadmetalbr
@deadmetalbr 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, wow. I'd heard a lot of people had warped platters on their LP120s. Mine isn't absolutely flat, either, but it's nowhere near as uneven as this one.
@David-lr4vx
@David-lr4vx 3 жыл бұрын
You said "peel it off" like how would imagine Weird Al would say it.
@PiddeBas
@PiddeBas 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@ThriftyAV
@ThriftyAV 5 жыл бұрын
It's too bad that Shure got out of the phono cartridge business. I purchased my M97xE for the same reason that you did.
@satan1168
@satan1168 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I own a LP120 for 5 years now and I used to connect it on a pretty cheap receiver with phono input. After buying a hifi amplifier last week I was kind of dissapointed because every mp3 file sounded better than my records. So I hoped to find something to upgrade the LP120 and found your video. I swear I never even touched a soldering iron in my entire life before. After watching your video I went to the DIY store, bought an soldering iron and did it. Totally worth it! Thanks a lot for this great instruction so even a soldering noob like me can do it. Cheers from Germany
@dreyn7780
@dreyn7780 2 жыл бұрын
You're wrong and a Fool. I out rank you by 40 years. After Watching this wrong information misleading video, I reported it to the authority. Satan was lied too and mislead by this video. Suffer idiot.
@firstphoton655
@firstphoton655 2 жыл бұрын
I did the mod just like you. But i get bad ground and when i plug it in. It turns on.... dam i messed up bad not sure how i messed it up
@jsngallery
@jsngallery 4 жыл бұрын
i’m sure you could make your own clear vinyl slipmat. make a silicone mold, pour resin, done
@darkhanzo
@darkhanzo 5 жыл бұрын
I've either destroyed my hearing with years of listening to my music very loud with earphones or my PC speakers aren't super great but I gotta be honest, I couldn't tell the difference between any of the comparisons.
@quantumfoam42
@quantumfoam42 5 жыл бұрын
It's pretty hard to convey through audio on KZbin, because it gets processed yet again when you upload it...and then what you get is affected by the speed of your internet connection, etc. That's why the spectrograms were so important.
@Coynkydynk
@Coynkydynk 5 жыл бұрын
You surely must be able to make out the "cymbals" difference in the @28:28 shoot-out? If not, yeah it's bad news.
@markm0000
@markm0000 5 жыл бұрын
You need to be listening to 720p or higher video quality and have a really good set of earbuds. Of course, good hearing as well.
@darkhanzo
@darkhanzo 5 жыл бұрын
@Coynkydynk Just sounds ever so slightly louder with the mod to me, other than that I hear no noticeable difference :/
@vaughntonkin539
@vaughntonkin539 5 жыл бұрын
YT audio is 44/ 128kbs
@alexmorales1124
@alexmorales1124 4 жыл бұрын
Can I just take out the old ground wires?
@mongojoe21
@mongojoe21 4 жыл бұрын
I only use felt with a slip sheet when I want to play around and scratch
@steviedoes2421
@steviedoes2421 5 жыл бұрын
Why don't you make a clear cover fog your butter rug?
@djbryanladd
@djbryanladd 5 жыл бұрын
How is the anti skate?
@vaughntonkin539
@vaughntonkin539 5 жыл бұрын
There are 4 parts that are responsible for the roll off, they are on the PCB very close to the patch cord out, vinyl tv documents this- 2 inductors and 2 caps, I have removed them, replaced ind's with SMD jumper blocks, I then separated TT ground and tonearm ground with a 0.05uF cap and fix ground wire to tonearm shield The component no_ are L616 &L617 and C632 and C631 for the parts to be removed
@vaughntonkin539
@vaughntonkin539 4 жыл бұрын
Since moving to the Pyle power amp W/O mains ground, I'll have ditch the cap for 1M resistor, change the internal ground layout or fully remove the USB board, also going to put in thick car audio lead for the RCA lead to get the buzz down
@vaughntonkin539
@vaughntonkin539 4 жыл бұрын
The 2 wire power lead is best changed out for a 3 wire lead with mains earth to get the buzz right down, I went back to the fully earthed Dynavox CS-PA1 amp for now until I can get a new 3 core mains cord for the Pyle, the Dynavox is only 6w RMS/c where the Pyle is 20w RMS
@CyrilViXP
@CyrilViXP 4 жыл бұрын
I just didn't get it. Line output and phono output are suppose to have different frequency response. You are using line output when you want to use different phono corrector. Are you comparing dry signal from record with different phono amps output? They are suppose to be different, that's the main idea - manufacturer of record equalized it to preserve the best noise-signal ratio all over the spectrum, so you need to equalize it back to get the signal close to original. Every phono amp will make equalization differently.
@karimdailyjazz
@karimdailyjazz 2 жыл бұрын
Hi friend how much this turntable thanks
@Mutebuttons
@Mutebuttons 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, how are you so smart.
@Vintageelectronics2296
@Vintageelectronics2296 Жыл бұрын
I may change mine also but I am just going to remove the caps only
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