AUDIO with the Atomos NINJA V! // What you need to know and Q&A

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This will be my very first live stream. I'll be talking about audio on the Atomos Ninja V. I'll go over some things you need to know and how to set it up.
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[@backinfx]

Thank you! I had it set to line level and not mic level. My audio wasn't coming in correctly, and you just saved me. Luckily, I have been recording into my DJI microphones for a backup.

[@RedFrameTech]

Awesome to hear it was helpful!

[@SteveLippitt]

Hello Red! Thank you for this in-depth tutorial, which I found very useful. One point I wanted to add, and it probably reflects my stupidity, was that I was frustrated for a while when trying a variety of powered microphones to the audio-in of the Ninja V and not getting any activation on the audio-in recording meters, no matter what I did! Simple tip: the HDMI input has to be live (i.e. plugged into an active camera's HDMI output port) and then when the Ninja recognises it has an input the audio signal on its audio-in immediately. Not something that would be a problem actually shooting, but it stumped me for a while when running tests just with a microphone and the Ninja V! Anyway thanks again for such helpful content!

[@RedFrameTech]

Thanks for sharing that Steven! That’s good to know. Thanks for watching!

[@zijunai8020]

Atomos should put what you said on the manual.

[@dan710ths]

This is a fantastic video, thanks so much! It’s extremely informative and easy to follow. I’ve had a Ninja V for ages but now have a much better understanding of the audio functionality. Thanks again!

[@RedFrameTech]

You’re most welcome! Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching!

[@Square-zero-one]

Super useful, even for my ninja 2 that I had no idea I had to had a powered mic to make analog work

[@RedFrameTech]

Glad to hear it was helpful!

[@jlambo9319]

Awesome video. I also have a Lumix and this was super helpful. Thank you for taking the time to clearly explain all aspects of this type of configuration.

[@RedFrameTech]

You’re welcome 🙂 great to hear it was helpful!

[@jlambo9319]

@@RedFrameTech Definitely! I really appreciated your clear and meticulous way of speaking. Very easy to follow and understand each process. Nice work.

[@baharam98]

I found this video to be very helpful in setting up my audio. Thank you!

[@RedFrameTech]

Awesome! Glad I could help

[@joedc6995]

Nice work!! I'm thinking about picking up a Ninja V, so I'm doing my research.

[@phillean]

I am still working out what my Ninja V can do so this video was very useful, thanks.

[@tjdultra6982]

Just want to say thank you for the effort on showcasing audio features of the Ninja. I wanted to exploit all of the features of this monitor recorder but the resources for the audio features were pretty scarce. Looking at investing in Atom CAST unit for this as well in the future for quick multi-cam webcam.

[@RedFrameTech]

Thanks! Yeah, the Atom CAST seems interesting

[@CarlosRuiz-kp9ge]

Greetings, Red Frame! Carlos from Buffalo, New York. I really appreciate how you explain everything! Alot of KZbinrs tech help is expressed so rapidly that all meat and potatoes of the information is lost. Thanks again! I will share this video forward.

[@RedFrameTech]

Thanks Carlos! Doing my best to make my explanations as clear as possible. Really appreciate your comment!

[@djsugarbear6079]

Great Explanation and nice run through, thanks for this mate!

[@SorenBarahona]

Thanks you very helpful !!!! easy to understand

[@DroseMr]

Bluetooth i believe timecode audio w sync blue by Atomos questioned by viewer. Im refering back to this video for delay instruction. For some reason after fw update or new Lumix i have to recalibrate. Learned this weekend after a shoot. So camera mic and mic/line on atomos card i have Echo😂🎉Thank You

[@satoshiogihara347]

Very nice and informative KZbin. I have one question about Ninja V audio. I have been having a difficulty in handling Ninja V audio only when I use AppleProResHQ or Raw. I import all the audio data into Logic Pro X for audio editing, and I find AppleProResHQ audio data is all surround format despite that I used only two channel audio with a stereo set of microphones. Does this happen to a "normal setting" of Ninja V or I may have done something wrong?

[@RedFrameTech]

I have not had your specific issue. I also don’t believe the Ninja can ‘record’ surround. I can imagine it may be because of how Logic Pro interprets the audio files? But that’s a wild guess.. I don’t use Logic. When you figured out what the issue is, please let me know. I’m always interested to hear different use cases and issues.

[@IsaiCandanoza]

Great Video. New Subscriber. Keep up the good work brother. Cheers from Texas

[@RedFrameTech]

Thanks for the sub! 🙏

[@EugeneMaynard]

Great run through! 👍🏾🙏🏾

[@RedFrameTech]

Thanks Eugene🙏

[@guglielmo_arte_naturale]

hi Red, i was wondering what is better mic/line input or in camera audio recorder input? what would you use if youe were to shoot an interwiew ? also how can i test the frame delay for my camera without the TRS cable... if i connect the trasmitter directly to the ninja you said that i don't have to calibrate right ? only if i record via HDMI ? i didn't uinderstand sorry. great video btw thank so much you :)

[@guglielmo_arte_naturale]

I have a Nikon Z7II and DJI mic what do you think about this combo ?

[@RedFrameTech]

Hey man! I would always prefer to record audio directly to the camera, though it depends on the quality of the pre amps in the camera. This way you don’t have to worry about delay. Even when you also record to the Ninja at the same time. If you plug a mic in to the ninja, that’s where the delay comes and where you need to calibrate the delay with the trs cable. Without the trs cable trick it’s going to be hard to set the delay. You’ll have to film a stopwatch, record it on both the camera and the ninja and then bring it in to you editing software, line then up and measure the delay. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!

[@RedFrameTech]

Sounds like a fine combo, but I don’t have experience with the Z7ii. Just keep in mind that with a wireless mic system there’s potential latency anyway that you may have to resync with the video

[@guglielmo_arte_naturale]

@@RedFrameTech Hi again Red thank you very much for your precious answer. I got a bit confused in that part but now i understand. I will then record internaly in camera i heard it has superior pre-amps. Super helpfull thank you and Greta video.

[@CalebClarkVlogs]

You probably already mentioned this; but if I record the mic/line input and the channel 1-2 input at the same time will the audio sync on the hard drive and will the audio sound weird because of the 2 different sources of audio?

[@RedFrameTech]

You’ll have to put in a delay for the mic/line input for it to be in sync. I explain that in this video as well. Thanks for watching! 🙂

[@markthomas8018]

When filming live event in church, what sort of reading should I be aiming for on the audio meters?

[@RedFrameTech]

For spoken word, an average of between -6 and -12dB is good. But make sure nothing goes past -0. In your case I would monitor closely and probably adjust levels during the event, depending on if someone is speaking or if it’s singing for example

[@schnellkannjeder]

great tutorial... everything is clear so far. But why is there a total of 12 audio tracks when you can only connect Line/In and HDMI??? best regards Andi

[@RedFrameTech]

Hi Andi! That’s because it is possible to have more than 2 digital channels of audio over HDMI, depending on the device used. For example, a Lumix GH6 with an XLR-1 adaptor could send out 4 channels of audio over HDMI

[@schnellkannjeder]

@@RedFrameTech Ahh! thanks...that's cool.. Thank you very much for your quick reply

[@diegogascon3642]

Hello Red, nice to greet you. I have watched your video and have learned a lot. My question is about a sound mixer where I want to output the microphone signals on the left and the music on the right. The problem is that when I connect the jack output of the mixer to the mini jack of the Atomos V I can’t get any signal to come in. I can’t find any information about sound tables and recorders, do you know if this is possible? Or do I need an external recorder and then sync it in post? Thanks!

[@RedFrameTech]

Hi Diego. I don’t know what mixer you’re using, but you have to use a stereo output if you want to separate left and right. I’m assuming you’re using a line-level output on your mixer which should provide a line level amplified signal to your ninja v. Then it would be a matter of arming the ninja for recording and embedding the line input, which I explained how to do in my stream. A number of things could cause it not to work; the wrong cable (should be stereo), not arming the ninja for recording the line input, the mixer not putting a signal out, gain on the mixer, etc etc. Hard to say what the issue is here. Best thing to do is to eliminate one possible cause at a time. I’d say start with testing if the mixer is putting a signal out and go from there. Sebastiaan

[@DennisWachtel]

Just wondering...if you ninja is on the grip of the gimbal...and you cannot place it on top of the camera...where do you mount you external mic? And...how can you prevent fan noise from the ninja to be caputered/recorded?

[@RedFrameTech]

I use several configurations, but I will usually put a mic (Deity D4 mini) on top of the camera when using a gimbal. That way, the mic is always directed at whatever I’m filming and there’s no fan noise from the ninja being picked up.

[@alldreamsmedia]

Hey man, whats the handle and how did you attach it to the Moza Aircross 2? links maybe? Thank you for this video, learned alot!

[@RedFrameTech]

Thanks 🙏 It’s a bit of a work around to be honest. The handle is attached to a side handle that’s attached to the bottom of the gimbal. The aircross 2’s design makes it a bit difficult to attach handles.. I’ll look up the links for you

[@RedFrameTech]

Here are some links: unfortunately, one of the handles I could only find on Amazon NL. But you can at least see what it is and find something similar where you live. Hope it helps! amzn.to/3gbTl6K Smallrig side handle amzn.to/3S9nLDM Handle

[@theok9665]

Hi, I bought the Ninja V to capture content from blu-ray/Apple TV. It is able to record video &multichannel audio. However, the subwoofer & centre channel are swapped.. Atomos say they don’t change anything about the audio, but somehow the channels are flagged wrong. Dit you test recording multichannel audio from a consumer device?

[@RedFrameTech]

Hi Theo. Sorry, no, I haven’t tested something like that.

[@Hoptropolis]

Hi there I am planning to use the ninja with the rode wireless pro, is it better to set the ninja to Mic level or line level on the 'audio' tab, thanks!

[@RedFrameTech]

I’d try line level first. I’m not sure if rode wireless pro has actual line level output though. So if it’s too quiet, switch it to mic level. Thanks for watching!

[@Hoptropolis]

Thanks man will do! Also once you've calibrated with trs is it OK to take it out of the ninja headphone slot, to film and monitor audio?

[@RedFrameTech]

@@Hoptropolis Absolutely. Once calibrated, you can take the cable out

[@CharlesTurcott]

Since this recorder can capture a total of 14 channels of audio (2 microphone, 12 HDMI), is there a way to embed the 12 channels of audio from an external mixer so I can have all of the audio in one place? I have only seen HDMI embedders that seem to offer 2 channels of recording, but I'm thinking of making use of the other channels if possible.

[@RedFrameTech]

Good question. It can record 1 analog (stereo) signal via the 3.5mm input. The other channels are digital, so via HDMI. So I guess what you’re saying should be possible if you split the 3.5mm into 2 sources (mono mics) and you can send the channel from your mixer over HDMI. Never tried something like that though.

[@CharlesTurcott]

Yes, exactly. I'm fairly new to managing audio for video recordings, but it seems like there might be an opportunity there if we can figure out what devices can encode it. I would love to be able to include all of the audio in a single file. Are you aware of any devices that can send 2+ channels (or even 12) over HDMI? I'm not even sure of what the standard for recording this way is called except that it's in the HDMI spec. Here is a quote about it: Does HDMI 2.0 include enhanced audio support? The specification includes dynamic lip-sync capability, support of 32 audio channels, and a sample frequency of up to 1,536 kHz. It also allows simultaneous delivery of up to four multi-stream audio outputs.@@RedFrameTech

[@RedFrameTech]

@@CharlesTurcott HDMI as a standard is definitely capable of it. But I don’t know of any mixer that can send out 12 channels of audio over hdmi. I do believe there are converters on the market that can convert an analog or digital audio signal to HDMI. Not sure what device exactly, but I think Google might have the answer 😄

[@drdnicebeaugelin]

I have the Ninja Assasin and my mic doesnt seem to be recognized by the audio input. How do I connect a mic?

[@RedFrameTech]

I explain that in this video. It’s easier to watch it there than it is for me to explain it here, but in short; if your mic isn’t self powered it doesn’t work with the Ninja

[@Ultrarmx]

My Ninja V+ does not let me arm the audio. It’s grey out.

[@RedFrameTech]

First thing that comes to mind: check if your camera is set to send audio overrides hdmi

[@teddylevitt4437]

I have the ninja V and seemed to have set it up like you said, but I don't hear anything. I am not sure if I have the correct set of earplugs or head set? How to I know the correct type of headset head set so I can listen to the sound? Thank you

[@RedFrameTech]

Hi Teddy. There are many variables that could be the cause of why you’re not hearing anything. It is unlikely that it’s your head phones though. Did you arm the head phone icon on the channel you want to monitor? Is the audio meter showing a signal? What camera are you using? And also, what microphone? And is the microphone connected to your camera or to the ninja? Let me know so we can figure out what the issue might be

[@teddylevitt4437]

@@RedFrameTech I was told the ninja doesn't need a mic. It pics up sound. I have a nikon D7100 and i have no problem seeing the video & hearing the sound when I plug my iPhone ear in. (they have the 1/8" with the 3 rings on the plug) But when i record on the ninja v, I see the video but can't get the sound. I have the setting checked off I feel correct like I saw in your video & I do see the metering moving while recording. I am guessing I am missing something and still need to check some sort of setting i don't have set right. I watched your video twice and even watched some other, that seem to say the same thing but not done as well as yours.. I am a hands on person and old fashioned person. I need to speak to or be with someone the help me through it?

[@RedFrameTech]

@@teddylevitt4437 The ninja can record the audio that your camera is picking up, yes. So it doesn't need its own mic. But I might have an idea about what your issue might be. If I understand you correctly, you have a mic connected to your camera (or just the camera's internal mic) and an hdmi cable connected to your ninja. I assume you have the audio channels on the ninja armed for recording. So, I think when you bring your recording onto your computer, that's where you don't hear anything. Am I right? That could be because the audio track on the ninja may be recorded to channel 3 and 4. In a regular audio player this will not be played back. If you bring it into Davinci Resolve for example, those channel will be played back. Let me know if that helps. If it's not that, I'm happy to figure it out with you. But then it my be better to shoot me an email with your exact setup and some photos or a video of your setup and connections, cause it's a bit hard to judge like this. My email is on my channel page.

[@marcalfredmaligalig2594]

Zoom H6 to the ninja v. Will it able to individually input the different channels also?

[@RedFrameTech]

You mean through the analog line input on the ninja? That would be a no. That’s only 2 channel. The other available channels on the ninja are digital channels that can be used with a digital signal over hdmi

[@marcalfredmaligalig2594]

Thank you for this! Looking to get the atomos ninja v for my sony a7iv. And i was really interested in this video as ive heard the pre-amp on the ninja is way better than the ones in the sony cameras.

[@RedFrameTech]

@@marcalfredmaligalig2594 You’re welcome 🙂 The pre amps on the ninja are better than the ones in sony cameras. But an external audio recorder will always give you the best results

[@JabDFilms]

is there a reason you had the mic gain on the ninja at +10db

[@RedFrameTech]

Good question. No particular reason for this video. I wasn’t recording audio to the Ninja during the stream. The gain was set so high because of a previous recording where I needed a lot of amplification (that doesn’t improve audio quality btw)

[@JabDFilms]

@@RedFrameTech thanks for your swift reply video was very informative

[@psysword]

Any timecode issues? I'm facing audio playback speed with my zoom f3. Ordered a Atomos connect to solve the issue.

[@RedFrameTech]

What issues are you having? I can try to look into it for you

[@psysword]

@@RedFrameTech like audio lags on the zoom f3 shooting at 25 fps.

[@RedFrameTech]

Could you give me more details? Like how you’ve set up and connected everything? Are you connect the F3 to the ninja for example?

[@yohannsphotographyvideogra9542]

line level really sucks. i find my camera level is much better! i would only use the mic level i have the 600 by Sennheiser that works well but the ninja is really erratic sometimes so check it out 1 hour before any gig

[@RedFrameTech]

Thanks! Good to know

[@unitelevator]

Thank you for your video

[@RedFrameTech]

You’re welcome 🙂

[@rickseigh460]

Be careful with Atomos support as they don’t seem to know their products other than basic issues. I didn’t like the audio on my Zcam F6 so I’m connected to a Ninja V via hdmi and use time code start to start recording on the ninja when I press record on the Zcam. This works great but I have my Audio Devices mix pre 3 connected to output of the ninja and the ninja won’t pass the tc start signal thru. Their support says whatever comes into the input is passed to the output and it should work. I have four different Atomos recorders and it doesn’t work on any of them. The mix pre 3 does work if connected directly to the camera so I know that isn’t the problem. No longer using this setup but a little disappointed in Atomos.

[@RedFrameTech]

Good to know. I’ve never had to contact them but I have heard about the lack of good support from Atomos before. It’s a shame.

[@thepreluder8273]

And i can’t sync my áudio from átomos ninja v+ in davinci 😢

[@RedFrameTech]

DaVinci isn’t particularly flexible when it comes to audio sync by waveform. It’s a bit hit or miss..

[@trashraptordude]

wtf!!!! i still cant figure this out. Im using a sony a6400 connected w hdmi cord and theres no audio being detected

[@RedFrameTech]

That sucks! Unfortunately, I don’t know anything about Sony camera settings. If your Ninja is set up right, it has to be a camera setting

[@d-licous4356]

I use the same camera and have exactyl the same issue. Did you fix this already?

[@mufasakings]

Just came across your comment. Had the same issue and I discovered that when “pre Roll” is turned on, you cant record audio. To turn it off, go to the recording tab. I hope this helps.

[@SamirSidkilasvegas]

Not working at all THX