darktable ep 056 - What happened to my FONTS??

[@tomaslang9870]

The big fonts made me also crazy in version 3.x. Finally I found this tutoril. Thank you. Also works in Ubunutu 18.04 editing the file /usr/share/darktable/theme/darktable.css. Well done.

[@audio2u]

Cheers.

[@trevordoxsey4475]

Cheers for this mate. Opening DT after upgrading i was not too very pleased. 2 minute fix after your video. Many thanks 👍

[@audio2u]

Glad it helped! :)

[@frank.s.bernhardt]

You saved me again Bruce. I just set up a laptop with Mint Mate 20.1 and to get the latest DT I used Flatpak. Horror of horrors DT was too wide. Your video pointed me in the right direction and after finding DT in /var/lib/flatpak/app/org.darktable.Darktable/current/themes/ I easily edited darktable.css and changed 1em to 6pt (8pt was still to big for my laptop screen). BTW, to get line numbers in your editor, hover over 'Edit', select Preferences and in the Editor tab under the Display section hit the slider to the left of 'Display line numbers' to turn them on. But you knew that already...

[@audio2u]

Haha. Glad you got it sorted! 😃

[@BarryPlimpton]

Happy New Year. In Windows 10 the themes are located in "C:\Program Files\darktable\share\darktable\themes"

[@mpm0tube]

It just happened one more time (ubuntu 16.04 upgraded DT from 3.0 to 3.0.1) and your video just saved my day, again!! Thank you so much!!

[@audio2u]

Glad to be of help! 😃

[@demus8757]

When I started using darktable I wrote in the mailing list about the dark theme, which is not good for me since I can read white text on a dark background very badly. I did manage to change some parts of the screen with the file wich was present at that time. Now with version 3 I did a complete overhaul of the GUI exchanging background and foreground colors. This means I now a very light grey background and not black but blue texts, sliders and buttons. For me it looks awesome. I'm not completely satisfied yet, it's still a work in progress, but it already looks amazing. I can't show it here unfortunately, but I did find Bruce's e-mailaddress and will send him some screenshots asking him to show them in one of his videos.

[@rebelwriteruk]

Happy New Year Bruce. Brilliant series of tutorials helped me greatly over the last 12 months. With regards to this one, tried what you explained but found when I had the font size to my liking on my laptop, the icons (under/over exposure etc) at the bottom of the screen were tiny and I mean tiny, (I'm also using Linux Mint). So I resorted to the way that I used in version 2.6.x. which is to navigate to /home/user/.config/darktable open the darktablerc file, scroll down to the line screen_dpi_overwrite=-1.0 change the -1.0 to anything less than 100 (I have mine set to 75 which gives me a font size around 8pt on my screen) this method seems to scale things better, bottoms icons smaller not tiny, expanded modules are scaled down as well. thought I'd let you know in case anyone else had the same problems as myself. Again thanks for all the hard work you've put into this series, much appreciated.

[@audio2u]

Thanks! I knew there was something else I should have covered. This was it!

[@FrankWalsh]

Great tip, and if you find that the sliders in the modules and the preferences fonts are still too large, change the next occurrence of font size (not sure what line number) and that fixes it. For some reason they use a different style for these fonts.

[@audio2u]

Thanks for the info, Frank!

[@bernym4047]

Hi Bruce. I have upgraded to 3.2.1 and now DT is to large to fit my screen and I have to keep dragging the title bar from side to side to see the left or right hand panels. I am on Ubuntu 20.04. I still have V 3.0.1 and that works fine (the max screen button works but in 3.2.1 it does not. I guess there is a line in the css file but I don't have a clue to which one. Do you have any idea? Thanks.

[@audio2u]

Wow, not heard that one before! Can you not drag the top edge down, and one of the sides inwards, to reduce the size of the app window? That SHOULD work. Once you've got it smaller than your screen resolution, you could just hit the maximize button to then make it fullscreen again.

[@bernym4047]

@@audio2u Thanks for your prompt answer Bruce. I solved it burning some midnight oil. In DT preferences>general, "GUI controls and text" was set to -1. I changed it to 64 and it solved the problem. Thanks.

[@joaovtaveira]

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[@audio2u]

And to you, mate! All the best! 😃

[@normandsavage589]

Windows allow the change of font size by changing the themes. I tried to change the color of the font at the same place. The result is weird. The text color changed only in the upper left of the screen.

[@audio2u]

Right. Sorry I can't advise further on this, as I've not played around with the look of darktable.

[@alangbaker]

This is all well and good, but my problem is that darktable (3.8.0) running under macOS Catalina (10.15.7) doesn't render any but a few characters correctly.They all appear as their hexidecimal code in a square box.

[@audio2u]

Have you customised the CSS? If not, then I'm not sure what would be causing that.

[@alangbaker]

@@audio2u Nope. I just installed and ran it.

[@audio2u]

Sorry I can't help. I'm not familiar with MacOS at all.

[@lukecarville]

Happy New Year Bruce!

[@audio2u]

And to you, Luke! 😃

[@michelegozzelino5649]

Thanks for sharing! On Ubuntu 18.04 I needed to use "rem" instead of "em" units, otherwise it crushed or scaled wrongly

[@davidvincent-jones8863]

The real problem that I find is that the allowable width for the modules is too small. I do not usually find that an 8 pt. font is easy to work with ... it is just too small and my usual font size would normally be 12 pt at least. Is there any way to get more 'real estate' in which to work?

[@audio2u]

David, I didn't realise there was a limit on side-panel width. Mine are usually at 350 pixels. What is the maximum? What screen resulting are you running?

[@davidvincent-jones8863]

@@audio2u The max panel width is set in the darktablerc file (in /.cinfig/darktable) and I have set mine at the max of 500. I suspect that it is not changing anything however ... the panel still looks very narrow. I have a 4k 27" monitor running with XFCE desktop. I have kept the screen resolution to the default of 96 DPI. Since this makes fonts quite small so I put my default system font setting at 15 and am using Roboto font to tie in with dt. I have messed with the 2 screen overwrite settings in darktablerc and this is not helping. Following your suggestion I have modified the .css file in themes and tried using up to '15pt' and '1.5em' without any success. The only success that I am getting is by changing the default screen DPI to 15 for instance ... then the font is manageable but the panel width cramps the information. Ideas would be appreciated.

[@audio2u]

Right. Sorry, wish I had other ideas to offer. 😒

[@davidvincent-jones8863]

@@audio2u OK ... may have solved the problem .... Panel width: dt assumes that it will always be displayed 'full screen' ... with a 27" screen I had other ideas. Font size in the .css file:'10pt' does not work, '10 pt' works just fine. Thanks for the support however.

[@audio2u]

Glad you made some progress!

[@martinpronk1722]

The location on Mac/OSX is in the package of Darktable. Open in Finder the package of darktable en go to Contents/Resources/share/darktable/themes. There you find the CSS for te themes. A better solution should be to put that in the library/application support. Darktable can there make a directory darktable and put there the things a user can change.

[@audio2u]

Great info for those on Mac. Thanks!

[@kellinwood]

/Applications/darktable.app/Contents/Resources/share/darktable/themes/darktable.css is the fully qualified location on my Mac after installing the official 3.0 DMG and overwriting the older installation. The file is user-writeable, so no special permissions are needed, and you don't need to restart darktable for the changes to take effect -- just change the theme and back as Bruce does under Linux in the video. The default value of "1em" works for me, so I ended up changing it back to that after playing around a bit.

[@philippelambert329]

lines 160 (as said) and 224. Regards and thanks :-)

[@syteanric1868]

Clearly saw my screenshot on the FB page! 😂😂 happy new year Bruce!

[@audio2u]

Haha!

[@kristoflauwers]

Now my font sizes are fine, but those buttons to add instances or choose presets for the modules became really tiny, as well as the toggle over/under exposed etc.. also the input boxes in metadata editor are stil bigger then i like.. guess i can go messing with the css until it works, but maybe someone knows the right lines to edit?

[@audio2u]

Sorry, I don't know much about editing css. Hopefully, someone can point you in the right direction.

[@fotografie-joerglang]

Hi Bruce, I wish you a happy new year, good luck and of course health. Thank you for the video, it helped me once again :-) On Windows 10, the darktable.css file is located in the folder c:/program files/darktable/share/darktable/themes/ and it must also be opened as admin. Greetings from Germany

[@audio2u]

Thanks Jörg! Happy New Year to you, too. And thanks for the info.

[@docDeutschmann]

MacOS: Find the themes here: /Applications/darktable.app/Contents/Resources/share/darktable/themes

[@AlgoFodder]

Great info, thanks!

[@audio2u]

Glad it was helpful!

[@russghound]

Glad you made this video. I thought Darktable was broken in my Linux system when I opened 3.0

[@audio2u]

Glad it helped!

[@agredam]

Perfect, Bruce, thank you very much. It's nice to have a Linux Mint system to play with! And to have discovered your channel! God bless

[@audio2u]

Cheers!

[@Videonauth]

Happy new year. Wow being the first view this time. Love your videos, they are highly informative. Keep on rocking :)

[@audio2u]

Thanks, and happy New Year to you too!

[@erlingandersen]

You are wrong about Windows, the themes works as on Linux. It will accept the changes to the css files without restarting darktable. This is an application issue and not an operating system issue. The path to the themes folder: C:\Program Files\darktable\share\darktable\themes

[@audio2u]

Great to know! Thanks for the clarification. 😀

[@erlingandersen]

btw: you should use em and not px or pt. Em is a scalable font-size. 1em stands for the current font-size. If you want a 50% bigger font-size use 1.5em and a smaller font-size could be 0.75em.

[@audio2u]

Good to know! Thanks!

[@danielspenner3683]

I sincerely hope your home and family are not affected by the terrible bushfires in New South Wales. Best wishes from Germany.

[@audio2u]

The immediate danger from established fires has diminished. The danger is from numbnuts who go around deliberately lighting more... And yes, there are some idiots doing that, even after all the devastation that has been incurred so far. 😥 Thanks for your concern.

[@danielspenner3683]

@@audio2u That really is hard to believe. I'll keep on pressing my thumbs then.

[@charleshacker765]

Wow! No one commented on this: `/usr` stands for “universal system resources” not “user”. Am I the only Linux geek here? Anyway, nice video for those who need it. I started off in 3.0.1, so no jump necessary.

[@audio2u]

I did not know that! Thanks for the heads up.

[@lphilpot01]

On a related note /opt was an install location taken from the SVR4 unix family years (decades!) ago, maybe even from BSD before that, I don't remember. Solaris, HPUX, IRIX (IIRC) and other System V unices often used it for optional software, hence the name. /usr/local was another similar location for non-system resources, which in the old days was sometimes remotely NFS-mounted. As to dynamically reloading CSS changes, that would be up to the app in most cases, not the OS. I realize this video is a couple of years old and it may be a non-issue by this point, but if possible I'd recommend making user-local CSS changes under ~/.config/darktable instead (wherever appropriate). I think (?) darktable will let you do that conveniently from inside Preferences now, instead of editing system level files. A big advantage is that user-local changes will persist across upgrades, whereas system changes often won't. Quick tip if you're editing a file in vi (vim, vile, etc.) -- Typing ":set nu" (without quotes) in command mode will show line numbers. To hide them, type ":set nonu". Great video as always Bruce! I'm working through your back catalog ...and probably need to restrain myself from commenting on older content LOL 🙂

[@audio2u]

Well, I at least understood the last paragraph! Most of the rest? Straight over the top! Thanks for the history lesson, though! 😃

[@lphilpot01]

@@audio2u I was trying to say what De Mus said about not editing the root disk, but with 10x more words. LOL

[@BenoitNABHOLZ]

Super clear. Thank-you so much.

[@audio2u]

No worries! 😃

[@philippeterranova6659]

Thanks ! For me, the best result is 10pt on Ubuntu 20.04.

[@audio2u]

Excellent!

[@AkiraFurball]

Being as blind as a friggin bat, larger font is absolutely delicious for me :P Happy New Year in 45 mins, I will probably be asleep in front of youtube by then :D

[@audio2u]

Happy New Year!🎇🎉

[@candidonthestreetanupamgos5283]

Greetings. Eagerly waiting for the new Filmic RGB module. Best wishes.

[@audio2u]

It'll be here before you know it! 😃

[@candidonthestreetanupamgos5283]

@@audio2u thank you. 🙏🙏

[@demus8757]

Please Please Please, don't edit the css files on the root disk as was explained in this video. Make a copy to the directory: /home//.config/darktable/themes. This copied version of the file overrules the original one. It is much safer and doesn't need root privileges. Rename the file if you like to make it your file.

[@audio2u]

Great tip, Jan!