Audiophile Audioracks Do you need one?

[@uncola6028]

Great video, I especially liked learning the history of rack design and what was popular back then

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

uncola Thank you 👍

[@dennismiller5725]

We all think about racks, and I appreciate your history and where you arrived, I've been doing the same thing for years and greatly appreciate the video.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Dennis Miller Thank you 😀👍

[@annelieskillian7617]

Very informative, especially the scenes with the sand and the waterhose. And I notice you have a nice sense of humor too. Keep up the good work!

[@WyreForestBiker]

Very well made, ... both the rack and video!

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thank you. Much appreciated

[@YuriBrus]

Great looking rack and totally agree, the rack is definately an important part of the total system. Nice to see that you put a lot of thought in the design as well. Can't wait to see how you handle cable management, since at the moment it's a complete chaos behind my rack :)

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thanks. I love my rack and I would invite anybody to experiment for themselves. There may even be a part two because I had much more to share but did not want the video to become even longer. A cable management video is in the making 😉

[@davepastern]

I really enjoyed this video - thanks for sharing.

[@timothyfreeseha4056]

I love the shelves! A lot of experience noted, given your attention to vibration. Were I talented in this way, I would consider 2 kinds of shelves, with one version built with aerated

[@triples4good]

A little late to the party but I’m digging that rack. I going to try a similar system for myself. The ball idea is genius!

[@brynybach7741]

A very enjoyable and informative video, thank you sir.👍

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Brynybach My pleasure 👍

[@JUCA_LEJA]

I enjoy this video for all the research, meticulous work and sense of humor that can be seen behind. Thank you. Subscribed.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

JUAN CARLOS LEÓN Thanks man, much appreciated 👍

[@DANVIIL]

I enjoyed the visual humor and the rack. I’m discovering a new system by using some Ikea cutting boards, I can only imagine a whole new rack’s effect on the sound.

[@ropeburn6684]

You're absolutely right. The effect is imaginary.

[@jamesgilgannon4164]

Great rack! Worth all the effort. Well done!👍😊

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thanks 👍 Much appreciated 😀

[@spacefacegaming]

If you want keep that from happening stead of using toy balls i would put roller wheels if you want to move it or let it stay correctly ! Ur audiorack looks clean btw !

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Hi, thanks for the compliment. I considered wheels of course, but the small ones are too hard and the big ones (air tubes) make the rack too high and it will look ugly AF 😁

[@spacefacegaming]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424 you make a good point

[@cobar5342]

Well done. Really good video

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thank you 👍

[@MrDunk66]

Expertly and humorously delivered info 👍🏾

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Dunk O Thanks 😀

[@ralex3697]

I have someone building me a custom rack, can’t wait to receive it Will be a game changer for sure.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Robin Alexander Congratulations 👍 What kind of rack is it? Did you design it?

[@martyjewell5683]

In 1985, while out of work, I built my own hifi stand. I purchased 1X12" lumber and drew my own plans. I still use it today. It houses a Hitachi SR-804 receiver, Denon DRM-800A and Akai GX-f31 cassette decks, Teac X-3 open reel deck, ADC Sound Shaper Two IC equalizer, Pioneer RG-2 expander, PL-518 turntable and a Sony CDP-275CE cd player. Ain't the prettiest, nor a work-of-art but I think it's swell.

[@Simphome]

Don't know if I'll need it in the future, it's just that what you did is cool.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thank you 👍

[@DSupremeLounge]

Thanks. Very informative and inspiring

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

DSupremeLounge Thanks. Much appreciated 👍

[@kolgrillarn]

Its nice with a good looking and well planned rack where you get all players organized and easy to reach! But dont try to convince me that it would effect the sound, except for the turntable (vibrations).

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@@kolgrillarn I am not trying to convince anyone. But I am still amazed by the amount of people that don’t seem to understand simple concepts like microphonics 🤷‍♂️ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphonics

[@bigjym2000]

First off I would like to say WOW that was pretty impressive then at the end when you panned around the room, this was my first time watching one of your videos but if I'm not mistaking were the speakers custom and I really liked the tubed amps was thinking about getting one to mess around with away I enjoyed your video Thanks

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

bigjym2000 Thank you for your kind words 🙏 - I have videos on the speakers and the amp so I hope you will look at those videos too. - The speakers are hand built, however they were not custom made. It is a regular production model. The upgraded version is still in production and will set you back €12.000 for a pair. - The mono amps (it is an OTL design) are 35 years old and very, very hard to find. A new pair (the upgraded version is still in production) will set you back some €15.000. Plus another €15.000 if you want the matching pre-amp. - On two extremely lucky days I ended up with this whole set for just €4.000. I could never afford the new prices. - I did have to spend some serious money to get the amps (mono and pre) in pristine condition again but it still was a bargain. They were restored by the designer (and builder) of these amps himself. By some other stroke of luck this man lives nearby. - Don’t forget to subscribe 😉 (if you haven’t already) There is a lot more to come 😃

[@bigjym2000]

thanks I look forward to your videos have a great weekend

[@TheAlberto6842]

Beautiful speakers as well .... phy are my favorite driver

[@Sams911]

One word... SolidSteel I've got maybe $100,000 worth of McIntosh and dCS equipment and wouldn't trust any other brand... made in Italy and of the highest quality I've ever seen.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Solidsteel makes beautiful racks. I do think there are some other brands that are worth considering but I like Solidsteel. - Designing your own rack also provides a good level of satisfaction though 😀 - Thanks for sharing 👍 And I have to ask, would you consider doing a room tour of your system on my channel? - Check out my ‘subscriber room tour’ videos to understand what I am talking about. You can find me on [e-mail] if you have any questions.

[@davidspendlove5900]

I wouldn’t put steel anywhere near my system.

[@vinylman6580]

The steel is in the frame structure itself so please explain why that is such a bad thing!

[@kobezcarz4558]

Isn't solid steel 2 words?

[@roofermarc1]

Great video. Thanks man.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

My pleasure

[@jameslee2215]

Excellent design

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thank you 👍☕

[@gaville901]

Amazing idea and video

[@ronaldjennings8057]

I remember the day my friend sounds like you're getting your system worked out for sure well I hope it works out for you my friend we all need help when it comes to stereo equipment for sure have a good day and God bless🙏👍🎸

[@VladVonGrigorian]

Enjoyed immensely, thank you

[@kris308100]

Great video. Many thanks. What is your opinion of using Redwood Pine to make a rack?. Sides and top would be 33mm thick. Shelves 24mm thick. I won't be using a turntable. Just an amp, cd player and streamer?.

[@olaniyi570]

i think tiefenbrun put the linn into another room away from the speakers and noticed it sounded much better that way

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Could be. I know him from the Ikea story. Maybe he did both?

[@DarkAvatarAlexiel]

Thank you for this video though u didnt talked about the last wood and the between of the top

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Hi, thanks for watching. You can find that info here: 7:20 😉

[@StreetComp]

Thank you for the informative video - It’s not easy to find a good quality rack that’s the right size and doesn’t cost thousand(s) of dollars.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

HiZ RedShift You’re welcome 👍 Did you make your own rack?

[@StreetComp]

Was just about to rent a table saw actually - but I’m gonna start with a small TV stand and see how I do with that first :)

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

HiZ RedShift Good luck with the TV stand. I have had a lot of DIY constructions throughout the years and that experience is how I knew what I wanted for my current rack 👍

[@StreetComp]

Thanks a lot - got the mdf cut properly so on my way

[@HeavenReservation]

great advice!

Awesome video

[@ericperry72]

So I have a stand I love but I want to make a platform for the turntable like the butcher's block you are using. Question block of 2 1" thick MDF glued together work better than that butcher's block? Or say a piece of granite or better yet a 1" thick piece of plexiglass be even better?

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Hi, thanks for watching. - Different turntables can react differently to their platform so it’s always difficult to give this type of advice. But from the options you described I would go for a maple butchers block or a 2 inch piece of plexiglass. - From experience I found out that MDF and granite did not work for me. But part of the fun of this hobby is experimenting of course. - What stand and what turntable are you using if I may ask?

[@rklmbd2934]

Excellent. I have it in mind to ask a carpenter to build a rack for me too. I was planning to use cast iron legs with wooden platforms mounted on spikes but I really like the composite MDF idea here and the bouncy balls in addition to obviously solving a major challenge look so fun! So is it really a bouncy rack now?

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

RK LMBD More like a wobbly rack 😀 But it’s working. I must admit the maple / MDF sandwich was also a cost consideration. I was planning to do a full maple rack but with the thickness I wanted it became a pretty expensive rack. I still enjoy looking at my rack every day so I can only encourage you to design a rack that is completely your design. You have to look at it for many years to come 😀. Share a picture or something when it’s ready please. I would appreciate it very much. Thanks for watching.

[@taivaanvaltakunnastauutisi2453]

wish i can made the audio rack to my self too, but i don't have equipment for that...

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

I understand. I had it made because I also don’t have the equipment. - Thanks for watching 👍🔊☕️

[@androoow]

you sound a little like Vangelis Pappathanasiou , the famous composer...very very calming voice. thank you.

[@RennieAsh]

The rack is like the opposite of those speakers - heavy and rigid. In my situation, I'd prefer the most open rack possible and the least amount of rack possible, due to having a small room and needing to place a TV on top. Luckily, I only need an amp there as I'm a digital audio guy. Room is less than ideal but it works for me and I get decent sound to my ears. Some day I'll be able to have a bigger room for audio ;p

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Yes, I had the rack long before the loudspeakers. There are many ways towards audio nirvana 😉 Glad you are paying attention to your setup 👍

[@TheRaywell]

great idea, thanks for that video

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

TheRaywell My pleasure. Thanks for watching.

[@jcollin]

Why do you use separate wood tops for your players? Is that necessary?

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Hi, good question. The reasons, for me, are: 1. It gives me an extra layer of seperation (from floor vibrations). Especially because of the turntable. 3. When I ordered it I also kept open the possibility of having seperate mono poweramps. I could use them for that. 3. I think it looks cool 😉

[@RealHIFIHelp]

Nice video!

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thanks 👍

[@nirodha35]

MDF is a real music killer (in speakers, in racks etc.) Love the design of your rack though

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thanks, because of the sandwich construction the damage is not too bad 😀. Thanks for watching.

[@SeriousASMR]

What vibratings are coming from the equipment? These arnt engines. The only things moving will be a cd player or record player snd they have built in dampening so any thought that we need thick heavy shelves is snake oil.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@@SeriousASMR Uhm, you are missing something. Maybe you don’t know that soundwaves are vibrations (coming from your loudspeakers). They can affect your system. Maybe you don’t know that structure born vibrations can cause problems. Maybe you don’t know that my floor is not a concrete floor and can cause vibrations. Maybe you never heard of transformers vibrating (just an example). Maybe you don’t know that light shelf material will have a higher resonance frequency. Maybe you don’t know that outside noise can cause vibrations inside your room (and thus your equipment) Maybe you don’t understand that not all build in damping is sufficient. But I guess if you want to ignore all that and only rely on damping that is insufficient in many equipment…you are free to do so 👍

[@SeriousASMR]

@theaudiophilebarista2424 yeah i dunno nun of that but less ya got a train near ya i dount any vibrations gonna be significant to affect the audio coming out of the hardware. Are you saying thesouis an audible sound different if i set all the components on the floor vs putting them on a fancy heavy shelf in normal conditions? I would bet it would sound exactly the same.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@SeriousASMR Sorry man. Your ignorance is not my problem 🤷‍♂️

[@michaelpotoms8396]

Gevonden. Zou die man er eentje voor een Belg maken denk je? En als ik zo benieuwd mag zijn, wat heb je hiervoor betaald?

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Hai Michael. Stuur me even een mailtje op [e-mail]

[@damienlahoz]

Good stuff. Strange that when you go to live shows, they do absolutely nothing to control vibration. And why would they lol

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

I'll have to look up if nobody does that in life shows, but maybe it's because they play so loud that subtlety is not a thing anymore 😉

[@damienlahoz]

@@dystopia2386 that would be awesome to see

[@paulwibb.8944]

Good stuff, just shows you don't need to spend big bucks on fancy racks.

[@my2cents198]

Sweet !!!

[@RennieAsh]

I do wonder why many racks don't seem to have ventilation slots or holes in the shelves? I thought people with those Class A amps would like that XD

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

I played around with that idea for my rack for some time but in the end I opted for just a lot of space around the equipment. On top, on the side and no back wall. That is why it’s so big.

[@paveloknowski1339]

Well , quite a RACK ! if its not a secret , how much it costs ,appox , in US$ or in Pound s or in Euro?

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Hi, I paid some €1000,- for it. Labor, materials and shipping - Not peanuts, but remember, this is a one off in real maple. Weighing over 100 kilos. I think that was a good deal.

[@paveloknowski1339]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424I hope its worth it ! looks GREAT too , I dont like those futuristic /rocket design on ,,tens " of spikes and multi hundred dollars , , very special feet " !

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

I get what you mean 😃 My philosophy, get a rock solid base and experiment on that base. - A lightweight platform with expensive spikes 😉 may work very well for your CD player. On a rock solid foundation that platform can do what it was actually designed to do. Well, that is what I think anyways 😁 - Oh and great looks is also worth paying for. I have to look at it every day.

[@BrianGarside]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424 I would trust your rack over light weight wood with heavy amps!

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Brian Garside Me too 😉

[@i8nm3gp]

Marble and granite. The Solid slabs are the best.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Nabeel Fareed Moosa Hi, I had a 50 kilo marble slab that was really good. I still use it in the other room, but I preferred this rack. Thanks for watching 👍

[@alexandermikhailov2481]

In that concrete column example: what is the nature of vibrations from a turntable that need to dissipate into the rack? Sounds like a joke.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Not sure if I understand what your point is. What would be the joke? - Are you not convinced that vibrations can have an effect on the performance of a turntable?

[@alexandermikhailov2481]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424 I understand how vibrations generated from outside the TT can easily affect the micro movement of a needle so TTs need to be protected from the environmental vibrations. What I don't understand is what kind of vibrations are generated by the TT itself that require dissipation of their energy to protect the environment. The needle? Nope, its oscillation energy is minuscule. The motor? Well, if it is so noisy that the environment needs protection from it, then you won't be able to enjoy your records due to the motor rumble.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@@alexandermikhailov2481 Well, motor rumble is a thing of course. Vibration from the rack could transfer to the turntable. The turntable can pick up vibrations from the music in the room. Or from vibrating parts from the turntable itself (because of poor construction). So there are many possibilities. - You can’t protect the player from the music in the room (well, you can put it in another room of course) but you can protect it from vibrations from the rack. Or you could transfer vibrations from the turntable itself to the rack (that was the example). - The movement of the needle is so minuscule that you don’t want it to pick up vibrations other than what is in the groove. I guess that’s why the best turntables (well, most of them) are build like a tank.

[@stevescott200]

very interesting

[@alishaheedmuhamad]

Slick !

[@romant.6954]

Первый раз смотрю, полезная информация.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thank you 👍

[@greaterbayareahero1401]

Very nice rack

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thanks 👍

[@d.n.a5415]

Audio companies will soon make hifi sofa’s with spikes & shoes.

[@gaetandelorme6687]

Why not ALL solid Maple bros!

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Gaetan Delorme If it wasn’t for the money I would have gone all maple, but that was too much for me

[@frankierandall2232]

Audio racks don’t really matter, audiophiles all over the world have their hifi systems and speakers on the floor without any problems, position of speakers, cables, power conditioners and quality of equipment matters the most.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Thanks for your comment 👍 - A lot of the equipment, mostly poweramps, that is placed on floors is build like a tank to counteract the vibration issue. So in that case a rack might not really matter. - From experience I am convinced that vibrations can influence the endresult. - Effects like microphony are well known and a rack can help to counteract this phenomenon. But it is a game of trial and error. The way the floor is constructed may also be just perfect for some equipment. - I think it is just another tool in our hobby like speaker placement, acoustic treatment or cables

[@andrewaajohnson7584]

Ja

[@olafvh]

Zeker geen Ikea lol, mooi hoor, zit zelf ook aan eigenbouw te denken, aangezien meeste hifi meubels gewoonweg ondiep of, zoals je zelf aangeeft in de video, absorbitant duur zijn..

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Hai, dank voor het kijken 👍 Zelf maken heeft veel voordelen. Waar zit je aan te denken als ik vragen mag?

[@olafvh]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Ik had al tekeningen gemaakt voor een lowboard van ca. 2.5 meter breed, 50 of 55 diep , maar hoogte zit ik nog even mee. Mijn Akai spullen groeien, en mijn Digitale spullen ook, ik heb 2x bandrecorder, 1x cassette deck en grote AA1200 ( dual mono ) receiver van akai, maar er komt dan wat bij en weer weg, maar wil mijn Analoog gescheiden hebben van digitaal. Dus beetje in dubio, aangezien ik ook aan heht denken ben aan het "modernere" Advance Acoustic als mijn Analoog system.. maar dat is nog moeilijk kiezen.. Dus al met al , alles wollig en zonder echt plan, het geheel moet ook nog is makkelijk verplaatsbaar zijn, dus op wielen zou heht moeten staan, die ik dan eigenlijk niet zichtbaar wil hebben... Tja ideeen, etc tekeningen etc... maar nu nog een echt plan maken waar ik langere tijd mee doorkan.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@@olafvh Hai, ik heb ook eeuwig lopen dubben voor ik het definitieve besluit nam 😉 - Als je het leuk vindt zou ik hier iets op mijn kanaal mee willen doen. Stuur me een mailtje als dat je wat lijkt ([e-mail])

[@olafvh]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424 Ik hou het in mijn achterhoofd, voor nu nog aan het denken etc.. dat kan wel even duren :) maar komt zeker goed . thnx

[@jeremytravis360]

The problem these days is finding a good carpenter.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Well, I guess there are enough good carpenters (in my city). Finding an affordable one is a bigger challenge 😃

[@jeremytravis360]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424 I don't mind expensive. I just want quality workmanship.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@@jeremytravis360 Well, you are a lucky man. My wallet has some limitations 😀

[@jeremytravis360]

@@theaudiophilebarista2424 So does mine. I'm not a millionaire 😀

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@@jeremytravis360 😀 So do you have any plans for a DIY audiorack?

[@1zanglang]

You pronounce "wreck" instead of "rack"...

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

Could be. English is not my native language

[@jluis5188]

This video is a complete FAIl! Please ignore this youtuber.

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

That’s not an argument. Please ignore this 'commenter'

[@theaudiophilebarista2424]

@Jesus Acuna So is there going to be an actual argument from you or are you just another basement, keyboard coward?

[@ynnektrub1]

Nice video!